2 Blackhawks Make Top 50 Prospects List

On Friday morning Scott Wheeler at The Athletic published his rankings of the top 50 under-23 drafted NHL prospects. It’s key to note the “under-23” part because, as Wheeler points out in his intro, this keeps Dylan Sikura from being ranked (he was born in June).

Two Blackhawks blue line prospects made the top 50 overall and a third was among the honorable mentions. Who made it?

20. Adam Boqvist

“Speaking of utility, right-handed power play quarterbacks! Boqvist might be that kind of player’s biggest archetype. There’s a chance this is one of the rankings that doesn’t look good a few years from now if Boqvist bottoms out and never figures out his defensive game. Still, he’s just so talented as a handler, skater, and particularly as a shooter, that I can’t ignore him. His trajectory will be fascinating to track, because he’s going to put up huge points offensively as a rookie with the London Knights next season and it will be on Dale Hunter and his staff to sort out his defensive warts. If Boqvist can become even a competent defender in his own zone and learn to engage more in puck battles, he’s got the chance to be special. He’s going to make a lot of teams look silly in the OHL next season.”

37. Henri Jokiharju

“Hockey is about making plays. I like players who make a lot of plays. And Jokiharju makes a lot of plays. That about sums it up. Sometimes it’s that simple. The way he manages the puck, controls it in traffic, and creates entries are all enough to make him one of junior hockey’s better players. He just gets it. Few young players in the world do as good a job creating passing lanes and putting the puck in dangerous, unsuspecting areas of the ice like Jokiharju. I’m a big fan. He’s going to be really good and finished fifth among WHL defencemen in points per game and second in assists for a reason. He also defends well within a system, plays a tight gap, and picks his spots to activate.”

Defenseman Ian Mitchell was among the honorable mentions.

79 thoughts on “2 Blackhawks Make Top 50 Prospects List

  1. One thing to keep in mind and more cause for optimism with Boquist is that he’s the youngest player on this list (by one day over Ryan Merkley the only other 17 year old to make it))

  2. I have a dumb question. If Boqvist is “just so talented as a handler, skater, and particularly as a shooter,” but questions arise if he is even a “competent” defender, why not just make him a forward? The guy sounds like a Patrick Kane who for some reason became a blueliner.

  3. Reg if Boqvist doesn’t adapt to the defensive scheme of things that could be an option. Hopefully he becomes a capable defender and it isn’t a liability to him becoming an elite defenceman. His elite skill seems to come from playing defence so give every chance to succeed there first.

  4. @Reggie Fleming I said the same thing about Brian Campbell when he was here; we lost a year of NHL development of a, scratch that, ANY rookie defenseman (en route to an almost president’s trophy no less) and yet couldn’t find a left wing for Toews. Instead we had Brian Campbell play defense all year; if I had any say I would have moved Soup (brian campbell) to left wing and just see what happens; meanwhile it would open a slot for a rookie defense man to gain some valuable experience on the blue line; Pokka immediately comes to mind. Hell the blackhawks probably led the league in games played against teams playing back to back nights on the back end; they may as well have called up Svedberg as well;
    bottomline Campbell should have been put on left wing for Toews and a rookie defense man should have seen more minutes/been called up.

  5. It’s not looking positive on Crawford at all. Shaky at best. It seems(as it has for awhile) it’s something neurological that has no clear timetable when he might be okay. No firm timetables, vague answers, refusal to say what the ailment is or the treatment. None of this bodes well for the start of the season.
    October a ways off theoretically but having said that, December 23 is really long time ago. And it’s not like Crawford is just going to parachute in and be his same old self.
    Time for Stan to go forward as if he’s not going to have Crawford ( he somewhat did that with the acquisition of Cam Ward ). Shoring up the defense, instead of relying on Ruutu, Gustafsson, Manning, Forsling, taking that next step, appears to be a bit more important.

  6. Anyone actually know what’s going on? He was tearing up when talking to the media today. That can’t be a good sign.

  7. First and foremost, I hope CC is not facing anything too serious. If it’s the end of the line for his hockey career then he’s had a good, no great, run and no regrets. He seems one of the good guys.

    I don’t get all the secrecy re injuries. An upper body injury? Maybe I just don’t get it but I don’t know why they can never provide any specifics.

  8. Something is seriously wrong with CC’s injury and I wish Bowman would tell us the truth. He seems to be on his way to retirement. Sad for the team and his fans.
    A great goalie and a great guy.
    Unfortunately, Bowman has not drafted a goalie with any talent since Tallon drafted CC.
    Only 2 low rated prospects in the top 50 tells us all we need to know about the lack of quality in our farm system. It confirms what many have said, Chicago’s scouting under Bowman has underachieved and when remotely successful, they have traded away a few like Teuvo, Johns, and Danault.

  9. The remark that raised my eyebrows was “we can’t disclose that” when Corey Crawford was talking about his condition. Sadly, no Reporter said – sure you can. There’s no patient confidentiality here. You are the patient. No Hippa laws to hide behind, because you are the patient releasing it.

    What he meant was – I WON’T DISCLOSE THAT.
    Big big difference.

    Keep in mind by comparison when Brian Bickell revealed he has MS. He went public with it. That explained his lackluster play. Fans have supported him through and through.

    Crawford does not owe us fans what’s going with him personally but his lack of specificity leads to speculation that only he can quell and as we saw at the Convention he refuses to do it.

    In the meantime, Stan and company need to prepare for the season ahead as if Crawford will not be a part of it. Failure to do so is very naive.

  10. He can’t disclose it as part of his job, ie, his boss won’t let him, not because of hipaa. Big difference between he and Bickell, Bicks went public as he retired. Hopefully a big difference, that is.

  11. Crawfords statements were not what everybody wanted to here, but he isn’t saying it’s over. He ‘s working to get back and telling us fans everything we have a right to know. Its seems logical to expect a return at some point, maybe not at start of season, but he will return.

    As far as Forsberg goes they could slip him through waivers at end of camp when waiver wire is busiest and teams getting opening lineups set. Then if Crawford needs to go on ir for bit after season starts , they can recall him as emergency replacement and no waivers during the season needed. Which would work with Qs remarks of not carrying 3 goalies.

  12. I agree with Craig but the whole not letting the public know is more than baffling and it just leads to more questions. Do the fans deserve to know about private details in general-no it’s not our business, but his millions in salary is being paid in large part by the public and the fans.
    He seems like such a nice guy, and obviously quite emotional about this whole thing-so much mystery that I believe isn’t necessary or warranted. A more general update is all that is needed, people will be respectful and patient.

  13. They won’t reveal the nature of injuries at this point in the season because it provides other clubs with an advantage when discussing possible trades. In the worst case scenario SB could be negotiating from a serious disadvantage. Never tip your hand.

  14. Bomba there us no such thing as certain, but i don’t think its all gloom and doom. Will he be in allstar form to start season or will he not play again. As the comments he made were somewhere in between is how i expect his return to lineup somewhere between allstar to open season and never playing again.

  15. I believe Dale Tallon was Director of Player personnel until 2002. Then, named assistant GM in 2003. Crawford was drafted in 2003 which means Tallon had everything to do with drafting Corey.

    Just above average prospects is not good enough for the future. And we see that Corey is far from 100%. I think he has serious health issues that will force him to retire which is really sad for everyone. And drafting an average goalie like Gravel in the 6th round is odd. Why not draft a real prospect at the goalie position? And when we lost Hossa last year, why did we not draft a big, skillful and skating winger instead of all the smallish dmen. This is where Bowman lacks vision and responsability. What he is selling is small dmen hype and players like Kunitz, Manning and Ward.

  16. Tallon was promoted to assistant GM in November 2003 and Crawford was drafted in June of 2003. Bowman was made special assistant to the GM in 2001, so to try to give one any more credit than the other on drafting Crawford is silly.

  17. In 2001 Bowman was a special assistant to the general manager for four seasons. Two years later he was the director of hockey operations. Perhaps he also had something to do with drafting Crawford also.

  18. No waivers would only be temporary. If he’s on the roster longer than 30 days or plays more than 10 games he’d need waivers again.

    I think it’s funny we still think of Tallon as god and Bowman a schlub.

  19. If an emergency recall due to injury the time he is recalled for that doesn’t count against the 30 day ir 10 game limit.

  20. To clarify Ernie if Crawford put on ir after season starts and Forsberg already cleared waivers and sent to ahl, he could be recalled and 30 day, 10 game limit wouldn’t start countdown until Crawford returns from ir.

  21. The situation with CC continues to be bizarre. He looks and sounds like a guy who doesn’t know what tomorrow will bring yet Q and SB keep saying he will be ready to go. The disconnect is huge.

  22. Pucklogic-he’s been out for many many months. Do you think it adds to trade value to the other teams to know nothing-really? This situation is unique. Is it an injury or illness?–the secrecy adds nothing of advantage from a hockey point of view to him , or the Hawks, or their fans.

  23. Wrap, is right. Boqvist is like Teravainen. Hes 17 and 99% of draft is a yr older.
    Its exciting to see where they rank now, as a 17, its where they rank in 2 yrs is what matters.
    Really 1yr less or more when you compare to other top10 picks.
    PuckL, that’s the thing thers 31 teams, so top 10 teams should have 0 or 1 and bottom 10 teams 2or3. Were a top10 team, with 2, once we get healthy and young guys are ready.

  24. I wasn’t worried when Hoss said he had skin thing. Knew it would be rewarding transition without Hammer. Getting a high top pick.

    I be worried without Crow. The 189 season doesn’t matter as much. Its the 20 and on seasons were deep again and need Crow by then to be full recovery.

    and
    Fucking Tallon here we come.

  25. MS, maybe they know he ll eventually be ready/headshot. Crow going through it is probably exhausted of the process. Not sure if its a trading thing/chip.

    Crow doesn’t play, we get another top 10 pick. Crow ready for 2nd 40 games and gets back into shape were in playoffs with him playing 30 of those 40 games. Only worried if he isint ready by then. Then whos knows nightmare.

    People who thought he had a drinking problem, Two beer Qs. Take off you hosers.

  26. Concussions can lead to depression and I mean clinical depression in which it is difficult to get out of bed. This happened to Pat LaFontaine years ago. He suffered a bad concussion after getting his jaw broken and it spiraled into something a whole lot worse.
    I don’t know if that’s the case for Crawford but it’s a possibility. The Malkin head shot in December led to the poor performance in New Jersey on December 23rd. It’s been all murky since.

  27. I agree, concussions can lead to nightmares. My daughter suffered a concussion playing elite soccer at the age of 14 and has not played any sport ever since. She is 17 years old. I feel for CC and I hope he makes the right decision. Health and family first Corey.
    Mudturtle, please chill, Tallon was part of the Crawford draft, it’s a fact and everyone knows it. Now looking at the 2018-2019 roster, with the amount of undrafted free agents which is 4 I believe, Bowman has been terrible with drafting high prospects. When you sign a number 6 or 7 dman from the Flyers, one of the worst defensive teams in the league, something has gone wrong. Krys, Gilbert, Snuggerud, and Hillman still not good enough to make the NHL? You would think after 4 years of college, one of these guys from the NCAA can make it at the age of 22-23, unless they have limited talents. And not to mention, Sharp retires and Bowman signs Kunitz? Meaning Knott, Fortin, and Iacopelli cannot play left wing in the NHL ahead of a 38 year old.
    Yes, this is extremely poor by the GM. Boqvist might be an elite pick but the rest are smallish dmen. SInce the Cup in 2015, we still have not drafted an elite winger to replace Sharp and Hossa (no disrespect to kid Debrincat or 6th rounder /157 pound Sikura), whom will never be in the same class. If Q is on the hotseat, the other half of the disconnect, Bowman, should also be fired along with his pro and amateur scouts.

  28. Regarding concussions you wonder how the goalie’s of this era will fare with regard to their health in their 50s, 60s 70s+ as they seem to take both bodies and shoots to the head on an almost daily basis. The way they play today (head mid to high in the net at times) and the size speed of the players and their ability to shoot the puck hard and high. They love the top corner.

    I’m a baseball fan and see the catchers also taking many more 95 to 100 mph deflections to the mask as the pitchers throw higher and higher in the zone. The short and long term cognitive effects are for real.
    Both moderate to severe concussions and repeated minor blows are now known to impact future health.

  29. These guys also shouldn’t be able to get away with it. Players who did it on purpose/didn’t make an attempt to get out of the way, are the ones who should be on the most wanted list by those enforcers/from all teams not just team that had it on their player. I really donot understand why no one has whipped out these fucks like Perry/Torres/others. You play like that you should have it done to you, by all teams.

  30. What a piece of shit, that PIT team. They get pounded 10-1 because they didn’t play/show up, so the only other game they play against us, they hit our Goalie on head when theres a chance to do so because they cant beat us so they have to try to hurt us. Its one thing to take a bad penalty but head shots. Orpik/19, that’s ok because he turned. Seems like that’s one of the teams that needs to be punished by enforcers/others.

  31. Mo; I always enjoy your posts, do not always agree, but always enjoy. “I wasn’t worried when Hoss said he had skin thing” Well I was worried when the powers to be gave 81 position to the flash in the pan Panik. A pos that played hard for 2 months for every team he got dumped upon, then the true, lazy, weak effort took over. Really, 3rd line for the best back checking forward in the game? The loss of 81 was the beginning of the end of our run. Generational talent? No, complete history of the sport talent. Will not, and can not be replaced by only one player, certainly not Saad with his current effort,(or lack of) Do not ever recall 81 mailing it in, ever. Let’s face the facts, more core players mailed in half the season.

  32. i’ll add a moronic questoin; what’s to come of this cap space? I’m thinking they should use it to eat space from other teams now are at the deadline.
    anyone of note has been signed; sans a diamond in the rough. Their best best for this upcoming year is to roll the dice; a couple teams are looking to land karlson from Ottawa but some need cap space to do it. It would be nice if for a change the Blackhawks were the one eats a teams salary from one of these teams along with taking a prospect and/or picks for taking the salary. Doesn’t have to be a long term salary maybe just one/two years…that said I looked at Dallas/Tampa’s contracts to even see who that could be as an option…pretty anyone it would be has a no trade clause; so it’s a pretty limited idea; UNLESS you were to find a third team that the “no trade clause” player would be willing to relocate and then the Blackhawks take on salary from that team in exchange for them taking the tampa/dallas salary. It’s not the worst idea if you really think about it.

    Panarin…..okay he doesn’t want to resign in chicago, however the Blackhawks have the cap space to take him for the time being; depending on what they have to give up for him it might not be a terrible idea to take him now and trade him later assuming his value goes up. Now yes, this will lead to the Blackhawks landing at an inflated spot in the standings; but if Panarin’s trade value increases throughout the season for a team making a run at a cup….then it may be worth it. So my question is what kind of trade value increase would make it worthwhile for the Blackhawks to take on what I believe would be a rare of early season player rental?

    Keep in mind this is probably coach Q’s last season; and by that I mean by his own accord. Personally I don’t want Q to go anywhere; though his stubbornness with some players is quite irritating.

  33. Jax, thanks. I do not care what others think/my reputation-per say. I know 75% of people and girls like me/what I say and then theres the other 25% of people in the world. I am funny person and make people laugh a lot/in good ways, not these people who cant handle it/if some do not like it they can read elsewhere.

    I wasn’t worried about Hoss because we didn’t know then he was retiring. People said it but they really had no fucking clue/no one did. Maybe 81/team did. I went with thinking he would come back. That’s ok, he did not and Crow got the Torres head shot this time. Blessing we got a high top pick, a top3 pick on deep draft yr at 8th pick.

    Yea no ones out there that’s like 81. Saader could be in his prime of his prime yrs, right now he needs to get back to where he playing like its his regular prime yrs. Hus underlying numbers were as good as he was on any yr, so for him it was the bounces. Still Saader would need to get to his next level, from the Saader of 13-15, to be where we need him to be a little Hoss.

    That kind of player might be the only type in the whole league, when thinking of what Hoss does to a team. We were already the best team in 2009 to 2010 and when 81 stepped on the ice and scored that shorty for the first two goals of a 7-0/2 blowout of another top team. Its was just a matter of time before he and us were raising the Cup.

    I knew during and after that 7-0/2 game, Hoss first game, we were winning the Cup that yr and would for yrs, like we did,

  34. Ive learned things here and 2nd city, from the wise people. Right sometimes and wrong sometimes, on hockey things. That’s ok.

  35. I think Pens got more than their share of dirty hits against them over the years. Crosby, Fleury, and Letang to name a few!

    Not surprised Panarin does not one to come back to Chicago, more specifically to be in the same room as Stan Bowman. Same for Kevin Hayes or Teuvo.

    Another season out of the playoffs by November should create lots of changes in management.

  36. It’s a “Covert Rebuild”–a rebuild hiding in plain sight. No trading of big names or gutting the team, but not adding anything to improve it either. Letting it’s competitiveness die while waiting for the new core to form and draftees to arrive while talking about getting better. They don’t care about winning this year and can’t admit that, but their (non)moves reveal it. So yes, Ebonyraptor, let the tanking begin.

  37. All long as they keep Toews, Kane, Keith and Seabrook around for 2 more years. Because if Sabres get better, Kane will move!

    I think Beaudin or Mitchell will be traded at some point in March to acquire a young winger. Will Bowman have the insight to make a good hockey trade and not get robbed? That is where we all have our doubts.

  38. I know, you and a bunch of guys the other wk said the same thing. Like what/how I say things just not agree on each topic/specific thing hockey wise. They all posted it after there was Flatlanders posting their wisdom or dislike/jealously towards me/others.

    Lion in the Savanna is not happening last yr or this yr. It happen again once we get deep again.

    Those kind of people were prob given their positions/didn’t earn them-wait their turn in line. You take away what little power they have and theres what you get, a guy like this.
    “There’s always one guy in the locker room who runs around snapping towels at the other guys’ privates.” Internship

  39. Jax, yea this is the best site ans 2nd city had smart/wise people there to. There those people do not allow such dark side of the force comments/thinking. I mean they give it to the people who do, with intelligent conversation, asking them to prove it and pretty much everytime, they cant/no one can. Between the two blogs its covers it all. Any other blog/site could confuse people.

  40. My guess is they are state workers (nothing against anyone) and do not have college degrees (at least as in division I or higher). Given their positions by ‘friends’/family already in power/position/system, did not wait their turn in line and earn it/respectfully. Seniority.

    Talk about doom and gloom, way of life.
    Good for them.

  41. Tim Soderlund could be a dark horse to earn an elc and be an important bottom 6 forward on the roster at some point this season.
    With him and Kayumov and maybe Aktybarmakan coming next season, forwards depth gets much better. Shalumov in 2 years should add some solid top 6 depth, wouldn’t read too much into not being on russian olympic team as they loaded up with players with international experience as European teams tend to do when they feel they can win. He is still only just 25 yet. His khl play has seemed quite promising.

  42. I hope Stan doesn’t trade any of the top d-mam prospects – probably not all of them will pan out so better to wait and see what we have before using them as assets to acquire a forward. The Hawks have 5 legit top-6 forwards and it shouldn’t take too long into the season before we know if Sikura is top-6 level or not. Plus it’s probably better the 50-50 that Shalunov will be here next season or the season after – so there’s another potential top-6 player. Plus there are other forwards in the pipeline that could pan out – so please no trading any of Joki, Boqvist, Beaudin or Mitchell.

  43. My comment on Shalunov coming over was meant to say “next season” as in the season after the one coming up, of the one after that – either 2019/20 or 2020/21.

  44. Hull65 makes valid points of Bowman’s substandard drafting. Up to this point, no top-4 d-men, and the only elite forwards still on the team: Schmaltz, and maybe Saad (returned) and D-Cat. Panarin was one of the best signings ever. But I think that is about to change. The pipeline is looking better than some of us think. Am expecting 2-3 quality d-men and 2-3 forwards to make the team by late in the season. One more year of growing pains (with another decent draft position) and then it’s back in the playoffs in 2019-20. Hawks are getting faster, but we need some size/physicality.

    To do list:

    1. Don’t bank on Crawford, even if he returns. Has been very injury prone in recent years. Where is our elite prospect who will be ready in two years?
    2. The Seabrook contract. We may have to part with a decent prospect in trading him (good job, Stan).
    3. AA should be traded at some point.
    4. Saad-watch. Has some very good tools. Time for a bounce-back year.

  45. Pretty good observation there o6hockey ,.,.the throw in with a Seabrook trade . Stan has the throw in trade down to a science ,.,.were are getting as good at it as the Leafs in that regard .When Cam Ward was signed that indicated Cory is fucked . Please see the light . AA should have been dealt before Hino ,.,.,same stats when ya look at it but a whole hell of a lot cheaper to keeep Vinny ,.,.,another Stan bed shitter . We are in for a good long haul here boys ,.,.,seeing another cup????not in my kids lifetime .

  46. I like keeping the Four Horsemen defenseman.

    Id be disappointed if only 2 are top 4, 3 would be ok, 4 would be nice. We need everyone of them. We can find/get an FW another way.

  47. Did we even draft a D in 1st round before last two drafts. We really havnt until now/last 2. Which could get us Four top4. Your right were not far off, its coming sooner then people think.

  48. With tha salary cap
    and parity,
    Were going to win a 4th Cup, with 19 and 88.
    If thers no chance at all, then why bother trade everything.

    Watch us make playoffs this yr (Crow plays).
    Win 4th Cup somewhere in 2022-25.

  49. Hawktalk-I agree about your Crawford comment-was surprised that so many on the site said his signing indicated Crawford was OK. To me is was the exact opposite. Why pay that much for 2 goalies?-it was insurance in case the very real possibility (which they knew to some extent) of Crow’s days numbered.

    He may be OK, and i hope he is, but it just seems there is a big obstacle.

  50. Crows days are numbered/hes done cant play anymore. Then tank get top3 pick and trade for Price.

  51. That it is possible to win Cup when we have a deep roster again.
    Were not STL or others who get in their own way.

  52. I think Hawks fans need to pump the breaks on SB drafts. Stan has set up the blueline for the future if it works as planned it remains to be seen. Joker may be a top 4 D pair in this league. I’ve seen a number of different rankings on him, most recently someone had him ranked as the 7th best-drafted prospect outside the NHL. Boqvist has elite player traits and hopefully develops into future Allstar. Chad Krys and Mitchell are playmaking college players and Nicolas Beaudin has good upside. There is definitely talent there.

    The problem is none of these guys are remotely ready, Defense is a different animal then NHL forward. Only 3 NHL defenseman cracked 40 pts as a teenager one was Bobby Orr, in other words, it really doesn’t happen. Joker is 19 and is probably at least 2 years away at the earliest from being a regular NHL player. If he gets into a few NHL games this season that’s a win. Boqvist isn’t turning 18 until next month, Beaudin is 18 now, these are teenagers trying to break into a man’s league. Forsling is a guy who needs to crack this lineup NOW if he is going to be a something.
    The Hawks are on the wrong side of a number of contracts and their current goaltending situation is shaky at best. So while the blueline has the potential to be a strength by the time that plays out the rest of the Hawks forwards will have aged out.

    Additionally, the division is not coming back to Chicago anytime soon. Winnipeg and Nashville are going to contend for the cup next several seasons at least. Dallas and Colorado are teams on the rise. Stl and Minnesota may regress but both teams had 101 and 94 pts respectively so both are significantly better than the Hawks already.

    Draft well, acquire additional picks, bank their cap space, and clean the books that should be the “new goal”.

  53. Jokiharju has elite offensive skills and can be an immediate upgrade on pp. Hopefully he is ready to contribute now, the apples and oranges comparison to other players on teams from other areas doesn’t really carry a lot of weight, if ge can be an impact to the defense.

  54. The being, the same core players.
    Not being a top contender again in 2/50 or 19/88 careers.

  55. My point was Bowman has placed this team at the bottom of the league because he has not drafted well for a long time. No real goalie prospect, no winger prospect and only the last 2 years has he overdosed on drafting dmen. We hope some of those dmen pick make the NHL. But, this should have all been done years ago.
    The Pens won 3 cups with veterans making big salaries and young prospects making the NHL roster every year. They did not miss the playoffs even though Crosby missed months and months with concusions. Same with Letang and Fleury. And they never gutted their farm system. I hope for Kane and the gang, the rebuild lasts only 2 years to get them back in the playoffs. They deserve one more playoff series at the United Centre.
    One player we should all be excited about is Nick Schmaltz. We can give Bowman some credit for drafting him.

  56. Not arguing.
    East conference way weaker then Campbell over the last 15 yrs.

    We have a dynasty, they had a bookend and when the top teams were watered down by salary cap.

    Sure we’re last place in division last yr/with2ahl goalies. We would have been 4 or 5th in every other division last yr with 2 all goalies.

    How do we pick elite prospects like we did last two drafts, when we always picked 27-30 every yr for 8 yrs.

  57. Shawzer, Kruger and others were good later round picks. Need more then just elite players. Need some core role players as well.

    That debrincat kid, is still only 19, he’s not bad.

    The Four Horsemen defensemen we drafted/3 firsts the last two drafts could be like NAS group of D once there ready.

    Could have 4 th place and not make playoffs. Depends on CAL Vegas and EDM, those teams could keep MIN/COL/DAL/CHI out, this yr.

    It won’t be long before MIN/ANA/LA and others go down and CAL and CHI get up there again.

    I think we make playoffs this yr, if Crow plays. Be better to get another top10 pick though, that won’t happen unless Crow doesn’t play enough. We won’t get a true top3 pick like we did this draft at 8th any draft soon unless we win lottery pick.

    The unpredicatable thing is how many teams do good in that west coast division. That will determine who makes playoffs, not the tuff sch the teams play in central.

    Cheers for being civil.

  58. Agree with that except PIT. They won that one yr being good and beating snother top team. The other, league watered down and really NAS and TB got screwed by refs and they got more then usually lucky.

    When we had dynasty/all in a 5 or 6 yr period in a row. When we won and didn’t we played the best teams in league from the last 10yrs. 2010sJ, 2011VAN, 2013LA, 2013BOS, 2014LA, 2015ANA, 2015TB. Those are all better teams then they had to play. I look at those teams as the best teams since red wings dynasty and COL and NJ then. That’s who we beat to win.

    Blackhawks and Red Wings dynasty’s
    LA is the COL of redwings dynasty
    I am not sure if PIT was good enough to be considered the NJ of this 20 yrs
    I would give it to BOS, because they had to play the 2013Chicago Blackhawks otherwise they win 2 and they hammered PIT. Also PIT went into Huber nation after 2009 until 16, they couldn’t compete with the top teams until the salary cap watered down the entire top10 teams, then hay now they can.

    It’s obvious you can not compare PIT to the Blackhawks. NJ won like PIT and we’re better tehnthey were and they didn’t do what the red wings and Blackhawks did. They also didn’t do what COL and LA did in 2 while going head to head with the dynasty team every yr.

  59. We’ll be back. We need to wait until draft guys are playing before we’re a top team again. Need that deepness.

    By the time we’re back NAS and others will be tired of going hard for 6 yrs in a row. It could be good timing for us.

  60. The way Crawford was talking it doesn’t look good in the goalie situation. He was talking like a guy that lacks confidence and was very unsure of his future. without the old Corey looks like another year of beat downs, maybe Ward will win us a few more than last year but I don’t think it will be enough. If it goes bad play every kid you can to see what will shake out. Morrison has way more confidence this year than I do.

  61. I am worried about Crow long term wise.
    I know we’re not win this, even with Crow. I do think we could make playoffs this yr.
    More concerned about Crow because we need him when the young drafts are ready and in their 2nd and 3rd yrs, that’s whe we’re deep.
    I would hate to be like NAS, have a really good roster and not that great of goalie.
    We payed our dues by building through the draft to retool roster to get to deep again, and so the Crow needready be ok long term wise. The we win 4th Cup.
    Otherwise we’re looking like a 2010 team roster with more better players and a decent goalie.

    Crow plays by game 20 and works back into shape.
    If we’re 20-20 we could go for first round against NAS or WIN for experience, or
    Tank without looking like it and get anothertop10 pick, which this time would be a top10 not a top3 guy at pick 8. Still good to load up more.
    After 19 season I think we’re to good, with Crow, and the team will have moar speed the we will this season, to not make playoffs. I would like

  62. Like to see NAS go hard two more yrs and really burn themselves out. WIN go against STL and NAS every yr next two yrs, so those three teams use it up.

    Then when we’re deep again, we’re coming in fresh, to play Vegas or CAL. During those 5 yrs and on I think we’re liking hockey that way again.

    Have to have Crow.
    Common Crow heal baby.

  63. Seat not for this yr, other then making playoffs/with Crow.
    With where were at, this could be a really good building yr for the young guys and for Crow to get back into shape and answer no more questions.
    The goingi to the 20 season, we’re coming.

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