75 thoughts on “Blackhawks Acquire John Quenneville

  1. Not sure I understand this. Quenneville looks to be a major bust and Bowman keeps trying to rejuvenate former 1st round picks like him and Maatta and Strome. I know the Hawks were high on him when he was drafted in 2014 but he hasn’t shown much of anything. I like Hayden’s game, he just needed to put it together. He had the makings of being a Shaw type of player but it appeared he was always lost on the ice and that suggests a player that wasn’t that coachable or has a lower hockey IQ. That said, this trade doesn’t move the needle one bit and for that reason would have stuck with Hayden.

  2. Minor depth deal, surprised Bowman not busier. See Wings just took Grewe woulda like to have saw Bowman pick him

  3. It’s a quality move, Hayden provided nothing. No offense, extremely soft for his size, motor was weak. Good riddance, I’ll roll the dice on the former first rounder anyday over Hayden

  4. As for Hayden – why not roll the dice on Q’s nephew – if he’s as bad as Hayden then he won’t play much either but maybe he puts it together

    Hayden is not a good enough skater to contribute effectively and consistently

  5. From Pronman who had him going late 1st:

    Alex Vlasic, D, USNTDP-USHL
    June 5, 2001 | 6-foot-6 | 198 pounds

    Vlasic entered the NTDP with a lot of hype. He’s a unique player in that he’s 6-foot-6 and has offensive potential, which makes him very intriguing. I like his hockey sense. There are times I even really like it. He understands how to attack, how to move pucks, when to jump into lanes and how to use his long wingspan to break up plays. I’ve seen several occasions where he does a give-and-go off the blueline with his D partner where he pinches after his pass and receives it for a scoring chance. You don’t often see a big man make that play or make a high-end pass through a seam. That is Vlasic at his best, creative puck-mover with solid defense who uses his size to lean on his checks. However, that player doesn’t always show up. Vlasic will have moments where he’s a turnover machine and shows underwhelming puck skills under pressure. He skates quite well for a big man, but there are moments where his game lacks pace. Some evaluators not only believe in him as an NHLer but believe he could be an impact NHLer. Others see the warts and are scared off. I’ve seen the potential, but there’s a ways to go for him before he’s there.

    USNTDP U18 coach John Wroblewski on Vlasic: “He’s a massive individual with an unbelievable defensive stick to break up plays. He’s got a physical edge. He can play an offensive style and takes chances. For a big man, his skating is off the charts good; it’s very fluid.”

  6. I always liked Hayden and still do. He and others just arnt going to be here once we get the 23man deep again. That includes some good players like 15 and others.

    We have a big wave of good young players coming. Its just about filling rounding the roster to have a full roster, so when the young wave is ready, were deep and can play head to head with COL. Which I think are going to be the top 2 teams in a few yrs.

  7. Wonder who were adding july 1 and trading. Going to add a 3rd pick in a trade nows the time, eh.

  8. WIN TOR NAS ouch for trades.

    Salary cap will take the deepness from the top teams this summer and balance it better for the coming yrs.

    The up and coming teams or top teams, like us, that have to reload are looking good for the coming yrs.

    Hockey is going to be good again, after 4 shht yrs, this yr coming up and then really good in 1.5 yrs and on from now.

  9. Will staunchly disagree with anyone talking about Hayden being awful and soft. He hit people and his motor was all out. He WAS inconsistent with his offensive abilities and couldn’t find a real role in Colliton’s lineup. With that said it sounds like both players need a change of scenery. It’s an even up trade so no harm to either side. I’m cool with that.

  10. Just reading Quennvilles draft profiles from 2014 and they say good skater with high IQ who competes physically

    If he brings that consistently he could play a 4th line role – if not he’ll either be waived or play in RKF same as Hayden would have

    Sounds likes he’s a better skater so I’ll take my chances with him over Hayden

  11. We got Vlasic at 43 and he was a late 1st round quality. Got Teply in 4th? for a early 3rd round quality. These are good picks and find out how good they are once they are ready. Anyone or more of these guys we draft this draft and 20 draft even 18 draft become good players thats just more depth to the 23man we have coming which is going to be deep again, in 1.5 yrs from now.

    Cant wait. 2020 will be good season but the 21 and on seasons are going to be beauty.

  12. Who was complaining about size. We have it now. Mix of skill and speed with size and speed.

  13. I like the Vlasic pick. We get good players about 10 or so into 2nd.

    Saader Debrincat Mitchell Vlasic

  14. Mo, thanks for the Pronman review on Vlasic. I read his average ranking among scouts was 32 overall. Very good mobility for his size, good defender, good first-pass, high IQ. Stay-at-home defender just what the Blackhawks need.

    FANSIDED:
    Vlasic projects to be a solid Top 4 defenseman in the future. He had a good showing during the 2018-19 season with the USNTDP team. In 27 games of junior hockey, Vlasic produced 15 points (2G, 13A) with a 7 ± rating. In 61 games with the U.S. National U18 team, Vlasic saw a slight bump in production with 27 points (4G, 23A) in 61 games.

  15. OK all you armchair GM’s, here are some thoughts.
    1. Next year you will be looking at the expansion draft.
    2. Byram would have joined a bunch of LD,s.
    3. Turcotte is at UW for 1-4 yrs.
    Would Turcotte come out before 4 yrs. and uninjured?
    If he stayed for 4 yrs. would he go like Hayes?
    Here is the good part, he could go for the 4 yrs. and pull a Hayes and sign With the Hawks? Now what would the center poison look like?
    Interesting?
    Now the Hawks still need a goalie and right wing help for Kane. IF the Dmen down on the farm prove out.
    I think Saad and Cagg should rotate LW on the first line depending on what the other team matches. Why Cagg? He is a digger and would free up/scoring and extend/ take miles of wear off the Caption.

  16. We must have a center like Krugs every yr so Tazer doesnt have to do that anymore. Look at the difference it made, also back to full health new food new training routine and more made the difference. Not playing 4th line center duties makes a huge difference in his overall play and longevity.

  17. My error on Vlasic’s ranking. 32 was the low-end of a range. Most important are his current tools who will hopefully develop into a reliable 3rd pairing in 3-4 years.

  18. Big indian, we’ll agree to disagree. The dude had no offensive upside whatsoever so I still assume he was told to be a disruptive force if you want to stick. With his size he could’ve and should’ve done that ala caggiulia. He refused. Was constantly unnoticeable in his opportunity to show anything for this franchise. Good Riddance

  19. I also disagree with Big Indian. Hayden may not be soft but is slow with few skills. Nothing more than an AHL player and not such a good one. Q (why not?) was very good in the AHL (Birmingham) and has a shot as a 4th line C with the Hawks if they sign him to a two-way this summer. He is an upgrade for RFD, which is important to draw attendance. Good trade.

  20. Hard to be an offensive threat with 8-9 mins per game and a healthy scratch- how many times??
    I’m with Big Indian- Hayden has decent skills but must importantly, he was physical and not “roll off another guy” physical- but punishingly physical… something slit of Hawks lack, or choose not to!
    With more development, more ice time and more mentoring- I think, as I said before, John Hayden will help PK Subban, #1 Jack Hughes, and the Devils compete for Lord Stanley- good luck John!!

  21. CAR and PHI are getting better so not sure on NJ yet. They are right there together. Whats nice is watching these teams, with Islanders, kick the living crap out of PIT. Now thats worth the price of admission. Payback like WAS did.

  22. Not understanding the Hayden love, have you watched Bortuzzo play for Stl. That dude punishes opponents. Hayden hits when he feels like it and has ahl level skills. If you have ahl level skills you better skate around and look to lay the wood on whoever you can and he Never did. Good riddance

  23. Hayden is a good team guy but he skates like a cement truck with a couple of flats. ‘Nuff said.

    This year’s draft theme for us seems to be “get lanky”.

  24. Really llke the draft picks, this year, Vlasic shutdown potential Dman, Teply really like a potential top 9 or even 6 guy. Basse a big goalie who performed well at lower levels, see what does at Ncaa level next couple of years. Saarela as he fills out looks like a bottom 6 guy possibility. All dropped down from rankings so have enough talent to make it worth taking a on chance in late rounds. See how it fairs out in 3 0r 4 years. Dach only one close right now.

  25. I see TOR is close to deals with Kapanen and Jonsson so those players seem to be off the table

    UFA speaking period starts tomorrow – even with Maatta on board Stan is probably going to look at some UFA D options along with the FWs – I could see two mid level UFAs being signed – we’ll see

  26. Hayden useless? Wow, anyone who thinks that couldn’t be more wrong. He absolutely has talent and a physical presence. If he gets more playing time somewhere else good for him he deserves it. We barely used him.

  27. Yeah leafs will have 7m plus 5.5 in ltir to sign Marner and 4 more spots, and hurting on D. Almost seems like think they will be more attractive if signed to friendly deals.

  28. John Hayden points last year =5. Corey Crawford points last year=4 in like 20 less games than Hayden, but you’re right, he’s super usefull.

  29. I like Hayden but he didnt get points or do more in other things as you would want. So didnt the other guys so all of them are not staying, not just him. Think about the bigger Hayes, two pump chump. At least the bigger Hayes wasnt a pansy, in terms of contract stuff.

    It doesnt matter who the 4th line players are that arnt the center, other then Frozal even Benny or Dejon. They only stay for a couple few yrs, it seemed like. Every time we reloaded it was with a different make up of 4th line dudes. Hayden might have been fine, with a deep 4 lines to roll and 23man. He was just here at the wrong yrs for that.

    Carcillo was here at the right time.

    Its the Maddens Burrs Eagers Krugs Frozals Dejons Smittys that are key, right time right place.

  30. Not saying Hayden was as good as any of those guys just not right time kind of thing makes a difference.

    Who are going to be the 4th line players, not center and 5th line players for the 21 season? Not prob anyone here right now. Those will be the guys on the 4th line that help us win a 4th Cup.

  31. Hayden was never meant to tear up the score sheet. He is not a scorer. He does those things that many don’t see, like backchecking, shot blocking and penalty killing. He wasn’t meant to be more than a 3rd or 4th line player. He was the only Hawk who would ever stick up for his teammates and had some balls to take on guys much larger. In the end, shouldn’t be a big loss, but he wasn’t as bad as some think.

  32. Yes, with regard to Hayden, many of us must agree to disagree. He had mixed reviews all season long, so those types of discussions on his departure shouldn’t be surprising.

    As for Quenneville, one thing about him coming in is that he’s additional competition for a guy like Sikura come training camp time. He looks to be a guy that has been expected to be scoring more than he has, and now he has a new team. And while Dach is not looked at strongly as being on the big team roster next year, he’s gonna be in the mix all the same. Stan said he would be given every chance to make the team. Lip service, maybe, but it will interesting to see how he plays in the preseason. I know that Dach is a center and all that, but it looks like there will be competition for spots under Colliton’s first training camp with the team. That’s a very good thing. Here’s hoping all of these guys bring their best games coming into this next season.

  33. Quenneville replaces Peter Holland as really good AHL player who can play in the NHL. He will likely be a top forward for Rockford, nothing wrong with that. He appears to be an upgrade from Luke Johnson. But if Rockford started the season with those 2 Centers as their top 2, not bad.

  34. Really like the plan of taking flyers on former first round picks. Still keen on picking up Puljajarvi for a couple of our bottom pair D. He wants out of Edmonton. Don’t blame him.

    Biggest roster holes are top pair D.

    Nice prediction Tab and Hull.

  35. I’ve done my best Clem Kadiddlehopper for the past few months. I’m sure I was missed lol.

    First – losing Hayden for me is no big deal. Quenneville – hope he meets his potential. No great loss for me. I like stacking the team with players drafted high. Worked for the Red Sox. Worked for the Cubs. Works in all sports. Castoffs make comebacks and get flipped for higher value. Flipping players or finding scrap heap keepers is a valuable way to get something for nothing.

    As for the draft, well I opined back in February that we would draft about 8-10 and suggested that we move up to 3-5 if we could secure a player that would NHL dress in September. Will Byram be ready at season start? Most talking heads said probably not, and even more said no for Dach. Turcotte has already said he wants 3 years at Wisconsin, so none of those were a guaranteed win for me. Luck of the lottery changed my rules and dropped us in the 3 hole, so I would have considered dropping back to 6-8 if I could find a dance partner who game me something I could use this year to play, and their first. I could take the 2nd or 3rd best center in that case if I got a nice player for now. Heck falling to 10 would almost certainly secure Knight, and he seemed worth that gamble, and is said to be 2 years away from the NHL. Yeah – goalies are risks. I assume Bowman listened to offers, and I assume none like that came around. Or, perhaps Dach was his guy – PERIOD. But choosing between Dach and Byram when both are not playing this season – no brainer to me. Take Dach. Dmen take longer to develop and I live by that saying. So I like the pick.

    I think Ian and Aurora have summed up my opinion best in the other threads. I mesh very well with their thoughts. I will add that another MAJOR plus for me with Dach is that he shoot right handed. We have a great big sum total of ONE player right now as a forward that can score, who is right handed. That’s been a big gripe of mine here. We need that for the PP, and Dach may fill that role on PP2, or even become the guy who raises hell in front of the net. On video, he looks VERY tough to move and seems to understand how to gain good position in front of the net. Anisimov is our best player at that, and he seems sentenced to dismissal this year or next.

    I, like many here, had hopes we could scrape someone at the NHL level away from Toronto, but it appears they are getting player help with lower salary requests – except Marner. Can we steal something from Tampa? Hey Joel – give Dunc a call and tell him how nice Florida is in the winter. That would be a huge blessing here to clear a spot. Any other Eastern Conference teams need some help clearing salary? Heck – for what NJ got In the Marleau deal, I kinda wished we had done it, even though he shoots left handed.

    The biggest problem we have right now is the same problem we had all last year: We need a top pair that resembles an NHL top pair. I will differ from many here when it is said that Joki and Keith are our top pair next year. They may play top pair, but they are not an NHL top pair. We go nowhere in the playoffs – if we even get there – with them as top pair. We need to sign/trade for at least one top pair Dman and then hope we can fill the gap on the other side without killing our goalies. We have some guys that can play fill in minutes as the top pair in Murphy and Keith, but they don’t represent an NHL top pair. We go nowhere until that gets fixed. Better off not making the playoffs and be in the lottery than not having an NHL top pair of Dmen and finding our way in.

    If that hole in the team is not addressed via trade and/or free agency, then the team can hardly be considered serious Stanley Cup contenders. It will tell me that Bowman doesn’t plan to be In the playoffs in the 19-20 season.

  36. Travis, guess were going to have to wait for Horsemen to get top pair D. We could get one ufa/trade but who knows when that would. So still need one top pair D after one of Horsemen is there.

    Could we win with one top pair D guy and 4 #2s and #3s and a #4 & #5

    Ian, what the games these guys can play 9 or 10 and not use elc yr.

    Like Dach to play good and get 4-5 games in first 10 or so. Then still has 4-5 games for spring to get more games. Hes too good by 2nd 40 then hes ready, when hes ready.

  37. With the roster adjustments around game 30, theres no way we donot make playoffs unless enough players are hurt or were 6th place at 15 games over .500 in harest division. Were just going to be too good not to. Win in playoffs yea we need to be deep and have what we need like you said.

    So to me were kind of stuck because since game 30 were a top 6 team in conference, and have the make up for the roster, we do right now. Then that means we better make a big trade like that this summer or summer of 20 because I do not see how we do not make playoffs for several yrs again. (I mean its possible being in hardest division with NAS WIN STL COL CHI DAL)(that right there if your 6th your not in)(thats the way I would see not making playoffs, only way)

    What matters is being deep to win. Where at wehere were at though, adn can only add good players as we go along and the team will skyrocket in 21 season.

  38. Forgot to say, didnt see it with draft and stuff. The salary cap isint as high as they said. It usually goes up and down, with talk, throughout the yr and always ends uo at first estimate. This time it didnt. Hmm, that means that it screws the top (right now) teams and they ll have to get rid of even more players, kind of.

    We want higher salary cap but maybe not this yr. So that could help us as it scalps the top teams even more then it was going to. Then goes back up by the time we need it.

    Expansion draft to remember to.

  39. And this comes after those team did those High caphits for those ufas. Ouuuch, again to some of those top teams.

  40. Thats right 9 nhl games a player can still slide and 10 counts as nr year on an elc. Seems Bowman and a alot of Gms are ok with burning an elc year to get a look at a player but more concerned about getting 40 games in to count as a year towwrds free agency as we saw last year with Jokiharju.
    Wouldn’t be surprised if Boqvist gets a chance either at start of season or after some time in Rockford. Tdl could always bring a rental defensman for playoff run and let youngsters develop too as an option.

  41. Vgk still in alot of cap hell too and don’t see Leafs free and clear yet, plus Bolts still have decisions.

  42. Travis, your thoughts on Puljajarvi intrigue me. I wonder if the Blackhawks are thinking about him at all? New scenery with a new coach who has a reputation for working well with young guys falls into Chicago as being a spot he could land. Not sure how they could get it done, but it’s interesting.

  43. Everything I hear about Puljajarvi is that he wants to go home more than stay in the NHL. Edmonton unlikely to just let him go and would sign him for whatever it takes to hang onto the asset and have him return with his head on straight. Would be nice to access him, but it doesn’t sound like that is the likely path.

  44. Wrap and Travis love the idea of Pulijujarvi, but agree with Silent that at 21 if he does want to go home, makes him iffy. Also if Oilers qualify him and he leaves on his own, they retain his rights for 5 more yrs until he reaches ufa eligibilty. So hard to say how they play it and what it would take to get him if they were to let him go.

  45. I thought ufa was 27 no matter what. You mean if elc is slide a yr they can go to 28 for rfa. I not understand 40 games thing.

  46. Would Saad for Pesce, being the main pieces and having Perry be in 20 spot. Even though I hate Perry. He would be for a Richy kind of caphit.

    Could he be a top pair Defensemen.

    Boq/Pesce
    Dunks/Buckaroo
    Maata/Murf
    Seabs/Beau/Mitch

  47. Pesce Miller Gustis are listed as possibles to trade for. Is Pesce the only top pair Defensemen of these. Be better to keep 20.

    Who else could we trade for thats top pair or be good.

  48. Mo 7 yrs service or 27 yrs old which ever comes 1st. Can go down if played 40 games as a 18 or 19 yr old.

    Faulk supposedly going to be moved, could extend him and move Murphy for an upgrade. Trade Saad for and take advantage of cap available this year and not next and sign Perry and Pavelski to 1 year deals to play top 6 with 19, 88, 12 and 17. Faulk top pair with Keith and Joki with Maatta. Gus with Seabrook and move Murphy.
    Keep Anisimov another year until Dach ready with Kampf in bottom middle and theres Kubalik, Sikura, Perlini, Cagguila and any other acquisitions or internally winning a spot as wingers. Then be able to assess and have freedom to do whats needs done next summer and insert young guys as they are ready. Sound reasonable.

  49. Yeah I do not like Perry no one does but at a Richy caphit and he plays clean, at least as clean as Shawzer did, then ok with trading 20 to get a top pair Defensemen and also adding Pavaski. Salary cap would work fine with decent caphits and trades to, get what we need. Now that we drafted a franchise 1st line center. Make the trades for good Defensemen. Thats the way.

    Need to have plenty of good FW that are good at defense and some of those need to be good two way not just DEF DEF players.

  50. No one has mentioned Mario Lemieux as a player whose style Dach’s may be similar to perhaps more so than Getzlaf although if he turns out to be as good as Getzlaf I’m fine with that

    I know it’s dangerous to compare anyone to one of the GOAT but my first impression of Dach was that he does play a similar style as Mario – a big man skill game, not an elite skater but a good skater, great passer, good 1 on 1, high IQ not overly physical but using his big body to shield the puck and create turnovers – Mario of course had a deadly and accurate shot something Dach could work on but there are a lot of similar skills there

    I know Dach wouldn’t have watched Mario when he was playing but I hope he’s going back into the archives to watch and learn – I like that’s Dach is serious and a student of the game so he probably is doing that

  51. I’m on board with a 1 year deal for Perry as long as he’s healthy

    Every team needs different players and one of those type of players is a d-bag

    We’ve had our share during Cup years – Bolly, Shaw primarily

    I bet fans of other teams hated them like we have hated Perry in the past so I say get over it – it’s a tough league still

  52. Wraparound, I know you were only comparing style and not skill.

    Nonetheless, let’s see…maybe…hey…Lemieux only had 52 points in his draft year. Not so good.

    Oh wait…that was 52 points in 14 playoff games…forget that then.

  53. Yeah Mo on defense you would have the 3 of the big 4 and Vlasic in pipeline to replace Gus and Maatta when moved and Keith and Seabrook get phased out to go witb Faulk and Joki.
    Dach, Kurashev and Entwistle would get another year to develop, hopefully see some growth this year from Kubalik and some of the bottom 6 guys. Teply, Wise and Barrett be getting close plus next years 1st pick and unknowns to keep roster full.

  54. Nows a good time with cap being 1.5 lower then supposed to be. With that many of the top teams already having to shed players. We can take a salary dump or get a 1st by taking a Marlro player.

  55. BLS2 – other than Bobby Orr (I’m dating myself) Mario was my favourite player to watch – what a package of skill and size and clutch as well

  56. Dach I read is very good DEF FW to. Anyone know how guys like 81 20 and others that are very good DEF compare Dach.

  57. Wrap, I am probably older than you and think Orr was the GOAT. I might put Mario slightly higher than the Great One (Gretzky) because he played with less surrounding talent and put up immense numbers. In any case, you and I have warmed up to the Dach pick. I think all of us are going to call this pick a big success in 2-3 years.

  58. These players might all be about the same in the prime yrs. We pick Dach and he is the special player of these players, thats why. Otherwise they are elite franchise players and thats what you get top 3-5 picks. Top 6 skill.

  59. You guys will really enjoy John Bustevill- ah, Quenneville. He can really put up point in the AHL for you! NHL, nope.

  60. Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Keith and Seabrook spend the first half of last season adjusting to a new coach’s system for the first time in eleven years … and from a simple zone to a man-to-man at that? Seabrook improved slightly by season’s end, and Keith excelled. I believe Keith led the Hawks in plus/minus the last 40 games of the season. Keith belongs at least in a top 4 role and Seabs could intermittently be a healthy scratch and fill-in against slower teams. Murphy, Gustaffson, Jokiharju, Maatta and DeHann will need to rest occasionally until Seabrook gets frustrated with such a diminished role. Ultimately, he might initiate a trade (maybe for a pick from “Q” in Florida whose system Seabs could teach everybody), thereby freeing up a spot for Mr. (+60) Nicolas Beaudin. I’d say “Boqvist,” of course. However, due to age rules, Boqvist either stays with the Hawks from the get-go in 2019-2020 or goes back to Juniors where he has already proven everything he can prove. As for “filling out,” he already grew to 6’o” and 181 lbs. Meanwhile Beaudin is old enough to be parked in the AHL until call-up. Until then, I heard that Seabrook is the consummate encouraging, funny influence in the locker room to this day. So, he still has value.

  61. This year’s prospect camp and pre-season will be exciting. To me, it seems like the Hawks did a great job luring outstanding Europeans (Kubalik and Kurashev) among the leading scorers on their respective teams and in international competition. Further, they Hawks landed Sareela, a Finnish rock band member who led the AHL Calder Champion Checkers in scoring. Now, they are giving Sikura another chance, plus good old Shawsy will automatically make the team, and what do you do with Quenneville? He’s tough and he’s practically a career point-per-game guy in the AHL. Also, what do you do with Carpenter. I know Carpenter is a character guy that kills penalties well and is willing to get his ass beat defending a teammate, but you are going to have to disappoint a Kubalik, Kurashev, Sareela or Quenneville to keep Carpenter on the parent team. WHAT A FREAKIN’ LOGJAM? I guess it is better than having too few players. PS. Somewhat related, I know we already have a decent offense and have improved defensively. However, I SURE wish the Hawks would have targeted Michael Ferland (16 goals, hits like Clutterbuck on steroids, plus he can fight and usually beat the heavyweights). Why? Because we are still not tough. Shaw is annoying to play against, but he’s a lightweight. Middle weight Quenneville, barring a miracle camp, will become an Icehog. I guess we’ll see what happens!

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