Blackhawks Acquire Vinnie Hinostroza

On Friday afternoon the Chicago Blackhawks acquired forward Vinnie Hinostroa from the Florida Panthers in exchange for forward Brad Morrison.

Hinostroza has appeared in nine games with the Panthers this season. He played the two previous seasons for the Arizona Coyotes, recording career highs in games played (72), goals (16), assists (23) and points (39) during the 2018-19 season. The Hawks traded Hinostroza to the Coyotes in the deal that sent Marian Hossa’s contract to the desert.

His contract, a one-year deal signed before the 2021 season, has a $1 million cap hit.

Originally a sixth round pick (#169 overall) by the Blackhawks in the 2012 NHL Draft, Hinostroza appeared in 106 regular season games for the Blackhawks between 2015-18, scoring 13 goals with 26 assists. He also appeared in one postseason game as a member of the Blackhawks during the 2017 Stanley Cup Playoffs.

92 thoughts on “Blackhawks Acquire Vinnie Hinostroza

  1. This trade suggests to me that they expect Hagel to be out at least 2 weeks and Vinnie is on an expiring contract so he can fill in and perhaps add a little scoring – if he doesn’t he can sit like he did mostly in FLA

    Be interesting if they put him right in vs NSH and take Highmore out

  2. ER – I think they know Hagel will out 2 weeks minimum and are trying to stay alive in playoff race – losing Hagel is a huge problem – maybe Hino can pick up some offensive slack until Hagel is back – that’s my best guess

    They want to make the playoffs – they are giving the team a chance

  3. Why? – Because Hino is better than Highmore and we gave up a guy playing in the ECHL who has no chance of ever playing for the Hawks. This is a minor deal with zero downside.

  4. Brad Morrison not going anywhere with the organization, if Hinostroza can be of use this season, why not. Hagel could be out a bit, Hardman coming too and going to playing per Colliton, so may mean Janmark on the move too.

  5. Ian. I think you nailed it. Janmark likely on the move in the next 10 days and Stan does not want to screw Colliton or the current team that’s in a playoff hunt by merely subtracting.
    You can make the case that adding Dach makes Soderberg expendable.

  6. Could be a zero cost, under the radar move for the rest of the season..Stan probably watched Vinnie blow by our defensemen entering the offensive zone against us over and over when we played Florida recently and said ”hey, it wouldn’t hurt to have an inexpensive forward who can skate and provide a few clean entries”..not a bad pickup to help as we navigate these last 17-18 games..and he’s ufa, so doesn’t change anything regarding the roster construction for next year.

  7. Blackhawks have 24 0n their 23man roster right now, with Bowey, Hardmen, Hakkarainen, Regula and Pirri on taxi squad. Carlsson, Mitchell, Beaudin, Entwistle and Johnson all sent down to Rfd. again to presumably play this weekend. So 1 player move needed on 23 man, so presumably Hagel to covid protocol covers that.

  8. I bet Kalynuk never thought he would have to give up his #48 Jersey. Or maybe they quickly move out Janmark and Vinnie can take #13. I think that was his Coyote #.Vinnie is no Hagel my friends.

  9. I’m thinking big picture. I might be wrong, but here goes. Hagel is on Covid protocols. SB deals for Hinostroza. He’s a 3rd line guy. I think what SB is doing is setting up for the end of the season. Hinostroza won’t be with this team. He’ll be put up for Seattle. I agree with Tab’s assessment of the defensive pairings. Keith is not a stay at home defenseman. Tab’s pairings are workable. Pairing the stay at home with the offensive defensemen will solidify their blue line and, hopefully, slow down the opponents. It’s my hope that with Hagel out, that Johnson and Entwistle will get the chance to show their wares and grab that opportunity. I could honestly care less about Hinostroza. So…let’s move forward and see what Saturday brings.

  10. Seems like a salary dump from FLA perspective- probably need a little more space for TDL and had to take back a player so the Hawks didn’t use up of if 50 contract slots

    First use of CHI cap space

    On the TSN trade bait board CHI cap space is listed at #12 – maybe this is just the start for Stan

    Hino is UFA so he won’t be part of who CHI has to put in expansion draft

  11. Tim – he’s no Hagel but he’s no Highmore either – I think he can be a upgrade there and perhaps he’s a poor mans Janmark in a week or so

  12. Hinostroza will be placed in covid quarentine tomorrow for 7 days so won’t be available fo next 3 games but ready if someone moved at tdl. Hardman signed Tuesday so not available tomorrow but should be out of Quarentine for Stars games next week.

  13. Wrap,you may be right.The last 3 games I have not seen a player fall down or have a blowout more than Janmark. And his production the last 8 games or so has fallen way off. A solid faceoff Center and a couple of physical forwards would do wonders for this team.

  14. This is just what we need: A big physical winger who wont let people take liberties with our playmakers…….Oh wait, we got Vinnie!!!

  15. The lines yesterday in practice which we likely see tonight to start anyways.
    Cat. Dach. Kane
    Kub. Kampf Kura
    Jan. Suter. Strome
    High. Carp. Soder

    Zadorov. Murphy
    Keith. Boq
    Dehaan. Kalynuk

    Hagel go back on 2nd line when ready. Hardman in Highmores spot for a couple of games until Janmark moved likely, if Soderberg moved as well Kurashev and Hino round out the lineup maybe. Hino could end up as basically insurance pickup/ part timer as well.

  16. I like having Blackhawks that were here before here again. Sure not past/way past prime yrs players. There good guys and desevre to be here again. For 23man roster for when were deep again that will sort itself out on its own. The only way that it is not good if its high/too high of a caphit and that would be fine if its short yr/yrs for where were at now.

    Load young wave!

  17. Ian/Craig, good for you on rules and where we are at with roster moves and for reports true on moves ahead/info. Makes it a better blog.

  18. Wrap, I also believe in the good trade relations. By trading for Rundy we were the team that got Vermette not another top 5/10 team that needed/wanted him.

    Same with CAR MTL. Where we do well with good return/getting players from EDM LA and now good trade relations with FLR.

    Sets up things for the future. Its not all about any one trade. Its for future trades as well. Good trade relations.

  19. I find I need (almost) daily reminders of the unusual mindset I need for this unusual season. The usual tendency of focusing on daily happenings and game results is like focusing on the trees and missing the forest – the forest being the big picture objective of this season which is to discover and develop the young players who will play a role in the rebuilding process and hopefully key pieces of the new core group.

    I say that because my initial reaction to hearing Hagel is out of the lineup was focused on what it would mean in terms of the playoff race – that’s me focusing on those darn trees again and letting them obscure the forest. I think we’ve already discovered that Hagel will be a part of the new core group in some capacity so that box has already been checked. I think the same can be said for Suter and Boqvist wherein the Hawks know what they have in them and their current level of development is good enough to be part of the long range plans – with more development expected.

    I don’t think that’s the case for the other young players, at least not with the same level of certainty they have with Hagel, Suter and Boqvist. Kurashev is close but not quite there and the same with Mitchell. Beaudin and Kalynuk assessments are incomplete.

    Therefore I don’t think Hagel missing games is that bad because it will hopefully give other players a bigger role to show their worth. Maybe Kurashev gets a bigger role to show he can be part of the long range plan.

    Hagel is a keeper – we have already discovered that – now let’s use the opportunity of Hagel missing games to discover what we have in other players.

  20. Was sorry to see Vinnie go in the first place Glad to see him back He’ll provide some high energy and some good speed entering the offensive zone I’m sure he’s happy to be back and will help the Hawks entering the home stretch

  21. I think hawks blew it a couple of weeks ago all everyone did was talk Kane while many were playing exceptionally well then all of a sudden they started to flutter and then the game were they would not retaliate I forgot who they were playing but since that big drop in team play which to me cost them to make the playoffs and the coach he stumble too also I know many like the announcers I think they don’t help either and what they say they r very critical during the game and between periods and Eddie Nocheck should talk words get back and sometimes they hurt the team which I believe they did.Amen

  22. Colliton said Cat Dach Kane be playing together to start today. Be good to see them get some time together, likely a line next year. This team will win 2-1, 3-2 type games this year not 5-4, 6-5 games, so that likely means Kampf and Carpenter both in the middle give the team a better chance to win those kind of games vs Suter, Strome or Kurashev trying to be 2nd and 3rd C. So may see Kampf between Kub and Hagel until Toews returns, whether it’s this year or next. If Janmark moved may see a Strome Suter Hardman line which may be a combination next year too if it works. Could be an interesting 4th line of Kurashev Carpenter Hinostroza that could bring some offense as well this year. Then next year that would leave Toews and Kubalik next season with maybe Reichel when ready and a Kurashev, Nylander or Hagel there until then. With Kampf and Carpenter plus youngsters Johnson, Entwistle, Altybarmakyan, Barrett to play a matchup/ energy 4th line with maybe Hagel too in there, plus maybe an unknown or 2 acquisition and one or 2 more from Rfd. Still some holes but heading in right direction.

  23. I just saw Hagel is off Covid protocol and is back in the lineup … so regarding my previous post … nevermind. :-)

  24. Nice regarding Hagel – looking forward to 12 77 88

    Would like to see now that Hagel is back
    8 24 38

  25. Yes yes. Trade everyone we can thats not young wave.

    Thats how you make the wave bigger and deeper.

  26. Just hope this team competes and works hard to the end this year, whatever will be playoff wise. A hot goalie and losing the special team battle robbed them of what shoulda been a win yesterday. The development of the younger players took a big step this year and a strong off season, starting with a good draft, plus with some new faces coming, familiar ones going, will have them ready to let these youngsters take another even bigger step in their development on their to route of returning the organization to being a contender.

  27. Agree Ian although some wins right about now would go a long way to reinforcing the message of hard work and playing the right way

    IMO they’re due for a strong win – usually when a team breaks out of a slump it will play well enough to win but still lose before the wins start coming – maybe that’ll happen Tuesday

    Missed the game yesterday – hope Tab is OK

  28. ian

    would like them to slip out of playoff contention for two reasons:

    1) obvious better draft positioning.
    2) easy to be on the compete bandwagon when there is the carrot of the playoffs in front of you. i would like to see who continues to bring it every night when they are out of contention.

  29. Hawks29 good point on keeps bringing it.
    Wrap with 2 games vs Stars who they have played well against this season and 4 game road trip to Columbus and Detroit coming up, good opportunity to break out of slump.

  30. Saw Tab on the slopes. We got a foot of powder snow W night so was on a bender.

  31. Thanks Ebony. Happy Easter to you as well. A beautiful day.

    As for the Hawks, they were gifted a spot in the “play-in” last August. It was fun to watch what amounted to, two bonus series. This year there will be no such luck.

    I read a great article this weekend how this upcoming draft will yield more surprises after the 2nd round than perhaps any other year in recent memory due to limited scouting. In other words, picks in the 3rd through 7th round are extremely valuable as the home run potential is there. This bodes well for the Hawks. Moving Soderberg and Janmark is almost a must. If Stan can get a 7th rounder for Wallmark, great.

    Should be a fun week with lots of speculation!

  32. Craig.
    It would be really nice to get a 3 or 4 picks More from trade or otherwise.
    Another third and fourth rds Pick Would be nice ,

  33. A team of mismatched parts right now that plays a perimeter game with D Men who for the most part don’t rush up ice. They rely on long stretch passes that are relatively easy to defend. Dach is going to need alot of work to fill a top line Center roll. He is not as far along as I would have hoped. I like Kamph but you need more. I would like to see a totally new and reconstructed 4th line with a Center that can score now and then and a couple of physical wingers. Yesterday may have been the worst game that I have seen Kane play. Which of the Hawk,s 6 hits Yesterday was you’re favorite? 6?

  34. Craig also scouts will earn their keep after draft scouting as there is a good chance a much higher number of undrafted free agents are signed from this group. Once leagues start again and scouts get a better look at some of these further from ready prospects that are not getting scouted now that would have been picked in normal years, could be a gold mine there too for teams.

  35. Didn’t see any of the game but a bit concerned regarding the comments here about Kane

    His play has not been up to usual Kane standards lately – more misplays and errant passes than we’re used to seeing from him

    How he refocuses soon

  36. Maybe he have corona.

    With full roster for who we have now/not counting moves were going to have more then 12 FW. So Tim we could see it next yr 4th line like your saying along with more young wavers being ready to get games/start. Point is its going to happen and players that do a lot/though we need more for 23man top 5 team deepness players like 64 22 17 92 44 maybe 5 are numbered by next yr/or two.

    Only because its to have a top 5 quality deep roster.

    FOr these yrs those players are important. Like you said mixmatch right now/last couple yrs. On our way though/good to see developement and prgress and show what we still need to do/roster wise.

  37. Ian/Craig, even though its like that for draft with scouting during corona. Arnt we the top scouting team in league. Like we spend and put in more time then anyone else. We even have Michele Pfieffer brother as a scout.

  38. TimW heading into camp in the fall the forward situation, this is just to kinda of say what position somebody might play, could look like:
    Cat. Dach. Kane
    Reichel Toews. Kubalik
    Strome. Suter. Hardman
    Highmore. Kampf. Carpenter
    Hagel. Kurashev. Nylander
    Atlybar. Johnson. Entwistle
    C.Morris. Barrett. Teply

    That’s not even allowing for a couple of new faces being brought in or from Rfd., alot of competition for 12 spots and 1 or 2 extras. Even if an unlikely repeat of this year where 5 of them Toews, Nylander, Smith, Dach and Shaw are lost for the year or big part of it, still have alot of numbers there to pick from.

  39. Let’s say Buffalo has #1 over all. What would it take to get it. Of course I always suggest trades weighted on the Blackhawks side, so what would be fair.

    ex: Kubalik Strome Suter for #1 Okposo Reinhardt.

    They get 3 starters and clear $$$

  40. JR that’s the thing about trades, if your moving somebody, you put their name out there and see what kind offers you get and decide is return worth taking/nogotiating further on, even if it isn’t what you hope for. If your asking a team about a player, then you have to see what their asking price is and is it close enough to continue talking about or too high. Quite unlikely deals that players you want to move line up with players your interested in acquiring. Maybe ones like Joki for Nylander but somebody like Eichel your probably giving up assets you don’t want too in order to make it happen.

  41. Scott Powers has another Shalunov article – there seems to be some interest on both sides to sign – Bowman even mentioned his size and his 55% fos as attributes they’re interested in

    He’s currently tied for KHL playoff goal scoring lead at 7 playing centre

    What if, what if…?? Maybe another possibility – could be a 3C – move Suter to wing

  42. The Hawks have slid down a few spots and would have the 10th pick in the draft if the season ended today. If they don’t get back to pre-March level, there’s a good possibility they could be in the 7th/8th position. That’s before the ping pong balls drop which could alter the Hawks fortunes considerably if the ping pong balls bounce their way.

    This is such a fun season. No matter if they win games or not it’s a big picture win.

  43. Colliton leaving Suter and Kurashev as 2-3 C in practice, a different approach for him and his defensive concerns. Not worring about fos either i guess. Hino with Kurashev and Kubalik, Hagel with Kampf and Carpenter. Same otherwise with Beaudin Mitchell 4th pair for practice.

  44. hagel might eventually end up on the fourth line on this team and if he is that speaks to the depth of the forwards. but not on this roster. ridiculous to put vinnie ahead of hagel. he hasn’t shown on the ice he deserves to be ahead of 38 and until he does i hate this move.

  45. Thinking the draft ends up
    Buff
    Ana
    Sea
    Det
    Ott
    Definitely in front of us
    Van?
    Cal
    LA
    NJD
    Chicago
    That’s the next group. So guessing 7-10 before ping pong balls.

  46. @wrap..yes, if Shalunov signed for next year, then he would get a long look at the 3c position..your forward lines could conceivably look like this:

    Suter-Dach-Kane
    Cat-Toews-Strome
    Kubalik-Shalunov-Hagel
    Nylander-Kampf-Kurashev/Carpenter

    And yes, I’m utilizing the Q strategy of splitting up Cat and Kane in an attempt to not let a team focus on only one line when playing against us.
    That’s a solid set of four lines and doesn’t even include Reichel..the Hawks are going to have a nice problem on their hands once all their forwards are healthy..as Ian correctly pointed out, there’s a lot of forward depth on the way..not all of them have top six upside, but then again, there’s only so many spots in the top six anyway..the more the Hawks can roll four lines, the better off they’ll be..

  47. Ian,Looked at your players for next season. Most importantly we have to get Dach healthy and progressing toward being a real top line Center. I understand that he is predictably playing with a lot of discomfort and pain in his surgically repaired wrist. I know he is cleared by the doctors and the braintrust of the Hawks knows best,but I would not have him playing in games right now. He is picking up bad habits and is not progressing at all in the right direction. He needs to control the puck and be able to have offensive success and be able to shoot without pain. I have heard extremely negative news regarding Toews ever playing again. I know it probably means nothing but I believe his career is over. If Strome is going to stay he has to play Center. He is too slow and weak on the walls to play forward. I also believe that this team has to move on from the 4th line of Kamph-Highmore,and Carpenter. They are not game changers they are tread water types of players. I would attempt to get some physicality on at least 3 of the lines. Skating would be the focus. No more stationary forwards . We can cobble together the Defense as soon as we win the draft lottery.

  48. Tim – not saying Dach has looked great but he’s played 3 or so games – give him a bit of time at least
    I think Highmore is not in the future plans other than an emergency fill in
    What to do with Strome is an issue I agree – I’m willing to give him until next TDL to see if he can fit in – his FOs are better so there may be room for him at centre yet but his situation is definitely tenuous once everyone is back

  49. TimW, I don’t mind Kampf as a 4C, he wins more fos than he loses, gets alot of pucks along the boards and pretty decent at the tough job of shutting down opposing teams top forwards. May not enjoy watching him play but you need those guys too. With wingers like Johnson who can help with fos and Entwistle with him, also using Hagel like Shaw as 10th forward who plays some up the lineup and defaults 4th line winger when not. I think that would make a nice 4th line or something similar to that, still have Kampf, Hagel and Entwistle as solid pk guys, maybe Johnson too.

    Imagine we will hear something on Toews after the season, still feel he will be back but not looking like it this year right now. With Seabrook and Shaw concern was expressed about their future, not the case with Toews. Shaw still not definite but his video tribute to Kane, he talked about their past and only Kane playing on in the future. Also when he came back this year he said give it one more try and if it doesn’t work out he knows he has a life without hockey, so writing is on the wall for him i would say.

    Strome will be given a shot next year likely, if no other reason than to make his trade value better. Likely as Wrap said be next tdl before you know, either traded or extended again.

  50. ER, this is what where Roman/and I I think were saying before these 14 games started. Not just because of the 14 games of the whole 55 games that were left.

    When I looked then I came up with -3 -2 -1 0 1 area for good chance % at 7 or 8 before ping pong balls. There are a lot of teams in that area and above it.

    With NAS and now DAL a little playing as good as they really are and for DAL better that could have those teams ahead and CLB can hold we could get ahead of them.

    Theres no touching the bottom 5/6/7 teams unless our goalies went that 15-15 and 5-15 like we said at the start when we were 0-3-1 then we run off the 11-2-5 and Lankenin is awesome.

    Lankenin and young wavers are too good/even when at greyhorn rookie 55 games.

    So theres your top 5 pick and were we could be 8-12 area.

  51. This was to go with that post.

    EBONYRAPTOR
    April 5, 2021 at 10:18 am
    The Hawks have slid down a few spots and would have the 10th pick in the draft if the season ended today. If they don’t get back to pre-March level, there’s a good possibility they could be in the 7th/8th position. That’s before the ping pong balls drop which could alter the Hawks fortunes considerably if the ping pong balls bounce their way.

    This is such a fun season. No matter if they win games or not it’s a big picture win.

  52. I am good with Kampf being 4th line center just like Frazal was before we got MAdden and Frazal still played most of the yr with players being hurt during part of season.

  53. Always felt EDM NAS VAN DAL would get act togerther at some point and be ahead of us. VAN is still there they have been better for awhile now CAL not there others have gone ahead ARI NYR others.

    Basically prob 8-12 area and that is a much better player then 19th. Cant forget the bonus of 30-40 compared to 50th. Major difference there.

  54. Really could not have been a better yr for devlopment/big picture wise. That is the one goal the Stanley Cup and it starts with top 5/10 picks which bring us elites that you have to have to win. Not only top heavy. As good of a slave team like VEG is they cant win without some/enough elites. They have done nothing but try to get some of those last couple yrs and now that the team that gives them a hard time isint good anymore/SAN they are in the clear once COL STL are not in division.

    Though would have to go through COL next few yrs in conference games. AFter this division 55 game yr VEG will sleepwalk though season 82 games and be 1 seed with that weak west division.

    Would have thought PIT would be +1 not STL and +12 what do we know. Corona has made this yr ‘different’ then it normally would be for some teams in every sport. Cant really go by this yr for anything.

    Great yr for developing and getting a high pick on a yr that doesnt really count/corona virus yr.

  55. Slayer I like your lines. TW agree if Dach feels an ounce of discomfort SIT! If who ever said Toews is done we definitely need Landeskog.

    Sit Dach let him fill out more and we have Lindros the 2nd. Give Strome alligator meat. He has size but with a new baby might become softer. We need sandpaper.

    Sorry Ebony but Lowery still on my wish list. If we can sneak in Ritchie from Cal and tell him he’s our Reaves that would be good.

  56. JR,There was an extensive article a couple of days ago by 1 of the Beat Writers detailing Dach,s pain and discomfort in his wrist to the point where it affects his shooting and stick handling. I am with you,I would have waited until he could shoot a puck and stick handle pain free. It was initially a 5 month recovery process that was shortened to 3 and a half months. Just don’t like it and think it was unnecessary. Its affecting his game and not helping his progress at this point. Now was not the time to push him.

  57. Tim W. – Colliton tends to make decisions out of desperation rather than what is best in the long term. Overplaying Kane is one example. Rushing Dach back, if that proves to be the case, may be another.

    Talk all you want about developing talent, Colliton desperately wants to make the playoffs and will anything, even if it is detrimental to development, to get there.

  58. I’m not a doctor, nor did I sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night – but I trust the Hawks doctor and medical staff to know what they’re doing and if they thought it was OK to clear Dach to play even with the discomfort he has and that there was zero possibility to make it worse by playing – why is it the Hawks blog commentariat question that?

    I think there is a “absence makes the heart grow fonder” factor for Dach with many Hawks fans. While the potential is great, he hasn’t reached that potential yet and I think many of us were expecting more that he’s capable of delivering right now but it really isn’t regression – it’s slowly picking up where he left off in the bubble which is normal after an injury and not playing for 3 months. He still needs to develop into a goal scorer, which he wasn’t in his rookie year, before he can be considered a #1 center. He may never do that – we don’t know. I think it’s too soon to pencil him in as our #1C of the future until he develops that part of his game.

  59. Tim – sorry but I disagree regarding Dach
    If the medical staff say he’s ok to play and he won’t do any damage by playing and in fact it’ll speed the recovery (which is what they have said) and the player wants to play as I’m pretty Dach does then unless he’s a liability out there which he isn’t then play him – not only can he contribute despite playing in some discomfort I disagree that by playing he’s somehow interfering with his progress – he’s learning more than he would sitting in the press box besides playing at less than 100% is something NHLers need to learn

    If Dach is not contributing then yes sit him but until that happens I have no problem with him in the line up – plus you have to consider what message you’d be sending Dach if he’s cleared to play and he wants to play but as coach you decide he shouldn’t play because you think his progress would be hampered – seems like a tough sell to Dach to me and you risk putting player and coach at odds with each other

  60. FOr what we know everything has be done the right way/very good this 55 game season. Better not be playing 77 if he doesnt feel 100 good. Thats just plain stupid.

    Didnt they/someone say they were going to have 77 more then 100 reay and bursting from the seams before he played again. WTF happened to that.

  61. What is the optimal number of rookies to play in the lineup at a time for the optimal learning experience for those rookies? It’s probably less than the whole lineup – 12 rookie forwards and 6 rookie d-men because the learning experience will be better with more stability and less chaos. It’s probably more than 1 or 2 because they shouldn’t disrupt the stability of a veteran laden lineup. But where is that sweet spot of developing as many rookies as possible without turning the learning experience into a game long “Chinese Fire Drill”.

    The Hawks play at least 2 rookie/inexperienced d-men every game. That’s 33% of the d-corps which doesn’t seem too few to me. There’s been some games when it 50% or even higher when they’ve played 11F/7D.

    The forward lines offer more of an argument that JC isn’t playing enough rookies – but unlike the rookie d-men, there really aren’t any forwards not getting time that rise to the level of potential core piece of the rebuild the way the rotation of Beaudin/Mitchell/Kalynuk do. Suter, Kurashev and Hagel are all playing regularly which is 25% of the forward lines with a 4th rookie getting cycled in every now and then.

    I don’t know what the optimal rookie/veteran split should be but it seems the Hawks aren’t way off on it.

    Another aspect of playing veterans over rookies in order to make the playoffs is that playoff experience would be a valuable learning experience for the rookies which would be in keeping with the objective of the season to discover and develop players who could be part of the future core group.

  62. Having pain in his wrist after a break and surgery until the wrist is used to doing what it takes to play hockey again is normal. Only way to get through that is play, more time won’t prevent that, no doubt like any if us until that goes away its on his mind, doctors have to put their reputation on the line to say he is okay, so assume the chance of reinjuring it because he is playing too soon is probably negligible. Would seem a stretch that the organization would risk his future, especially with Bowman and Colliton just getting extended and under no apparent pressure to win this year if playoffs are not to be.

  63. A big reason to try and make the playoffs is team morale. If you have played team sports you know there is nothing more miserable than getting your ass kicked every game. If you become less competitive in order to play more rookies it makes it tougher for the other players to give maximum effort knowing it won’t matter. I think the Hawks have actually done a good job walking this line so far. By the end of next week we will likely know if there is any hope left for a playoff spot. At that point I would expect more minutes for the young guys if the writing is clearly on the wall.

    Regarding the posts about next year, I see three big positives this year – 1) Lankinen showing he can be an NHL goalie, 2) Hagel showing he can be a 200 foot middle six winger and 3) Dcat making major strides to be a real top line guy with potential star upside. There are a lot of holes remaining, including the need for true centers, the need for some size and toughness and proof of whether the young d-men can become solid players. There are a lot of prospects coming through the system but candidly I have low expectations of the forward group other than Reichel. Hopefully there will be another Hagel or two in the group. The 800 pound guerilla is the status of Toews. Some are expecting that he returns and plays at a high level. That feels like a wish or hope based on the lack of any information regarding his situation. So if he doesn’t return how does this impact the future and the ability to bring in a replacement. It seems like we will be in salary cap purgatory where we can use cap space during the year but need to be compliant at the beginning of the year including all the players on LTIR. This seems like it severely limits your ability to sign players to multi-year deals. Am I understanding these rules correctly?

  64. @ER “I’m not a doctor, nor did I sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night – but I trust the Hawks doctor and medical staff to know what they’re doing and if they thought it was OK to clear Dach to play…”

    Overall, a very good post ER. However, make no mistake that a Team doctor and a Personal doctor are not always in agreement about what is best for the player.

    I sat next to Sergei Krivokrasov on a trip back from Detroit many moons ago. He was sent to play in an AHL game for conditioning after knee surgery. The guy could barely walk. He told me the Blackhawks said he was fine. His doctor said he was not. So, rather than tick off his bosses he acquiesced. Some NHL red tape prevented from him from playing, which made hobbling through airports even more aggravating.

  65. Ian, makes sense so its fine then.

    MS, agree on that stuff just think that this is the only yr to get a top 8-12 before ping pong balls and 30-40 pick. Even with all the holes still remaining were going to be better then this yr and getting deeper each yr. For 19 if he doesnt play then I expect the top center ufa next 2-3 yrs ufa wise like Taravase Seguin kind.

    Thats in addition to getting a top top pair defensemen ufa wise/NAS guy?. Same thing 2-3 yrs from now when these caphits/7 arnt here.

  66. We all know were drafting entire needed roster to win Cup. There has to be 2 and maybe 3/if 19 doesnt play elites added. Not to be top heavy we have depth coming from young wave and can get the ‘better fit’ players you guys mentioned that have edge and can skate fast for role players.

    Really with 7 65 other caphits availabel to use for elite ufas in next few yrs were not taping into what were using on players now. 2 and 7 caphits will cover almost a top pair ufa wise/even though ufa costs more we have to have those kind of players in addition to young wave Horsemen.

    Same for FW Reichel is going to be good/who ever we draft in 1st this yr is going to be as good or better if its 8-12 or 2nd or 3rd pick.

    Just need to get that what were missing now/size more speed physical kind of players/or players like Krugs can take it kind of players.

    It will happen we ll get these players to fill remaining spots young wave doesnt take.

  67. MS if off season or season opening ltir used they can be over cap by amount of salary put on ltir. That’s where they could have one salary on ltir to open season and another ltir salary for in season ltir and that give them ability to exceed cap with one and ltir room to run roster during season. Bowman did that with Hossa on ltir opening day but had Rozival and Tootoo on ltir day before season opened to allow them to exceed cap that year to make it work.

  68. WIJG – pretty sure than when Krivo played Bill Wirtz was still alive and the there was a different culture then around the NHL and the Hawks regarding injuries especially head injuries but generally speaking all injuries

    Players were often told to get back out there when they shouldn’t have been playing – I don’t think that culture exists anymore partly because of players have a bit more power but also because it’s not good business to put your players at risk when they’re not really ready to play at the NHL level health wise

    I feel confident in today’s NHL that if the Hawk doctors give Dach the green light then he’s OK to play – the days of teams forcing players to play despite not being healthy are over IMO

  69. I’m in the camp that Toews has the right to say what he says when he says it. But for him not to say anything to his city-market for this length of time speaks volumes-
    It’s fool-hearty to think he will be playing next year, and that hockey is the most influential factor for him.
    As someone who loves the game of hockey, hopefully this past year has proven that there are things much more important than a game. (for players and fans)

  70. Speculation on Toews condition and likelihood of playing next year is just that speculation- I get that everyone including myself wants to know what’s going on but until we hear different there is no news one way or the other – there could be many reasons why JT has provided no update – just because he hasn’t doesn’t mean it’s ever more serious – maybe it is maybe it isn’t

    Of course none of us know what will happen with him but until we hear otherwise I expect him back for next season

  71. Got shit-faced on the bus. Louise left me and that son of a bitch over there keeps playing me!

  72. I am going with Tazer comes back and is as good as always just like Crow. I know he might not so not banking on it just going with that.

    There are elite in ufa each yr and we can do that if we have to in a few yrs/23 season.

  73. I know some of Crows family and the Blackhawks wanted him to play before he was really ready. He didnt at first then did or something so maybe Tazer is waiting until he really knows. He might not know himself yet when.

  74. Wrap,speaking as a fan I really don’t want to know about Toews medical condition. I moved on as soon as he said that he would no longer be with the team and he had to figure out what is wrong. That,s his business.The team is going to have to eat his contract and are in LTIR Hell . I know when a guy is not with the team and is not working out at the team facility and skating with the other inactive/injured players,that he is no where near coming back. He was not playing at a top Center,s level the last 3 years and the Hawks hierarchy should have been planning on doing something with those 2 top Center slots anyway. Hopefully that is where Dach comes into the picture. Now they need a solid #2 or the other way around if Dach falters. Time marches on whether we like it or not. I believe any talk about Toews returning is counterproductive in building this team back up.

  75. Someone has to take a run at someone. Preferably Zadorov with one of those hits that lays out people.

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