Blackhawks Blasted In Carolina

At least this game ended early enough that there was plenty of Saturday left to enjoy.

After a lackluster performance against Philadelphia clearly pissed off head coach Jeremy Colliton to the point that his frustration was evident in his postgame press conference, the Blackhawks headed to Carolina for a matinee against a good Canes team that had lost three straight.

The Blackhawks had three power plays. They failed to convert on any of them.

The Blackhawks out-shot the Canes in each of the first two periods. They failed to score in the opening 40 minutes of action.

The Blackhawks were short-handed twice. They failed to kill either penalty.

When the final horn sounded the Blackhawks had a 32-31 shot advantage. And the scoreboard showed the Canes with a decisive 4-0 win.

Jonathan Toews skated 20:14. He won 13 of 20 faceoffs but was held to only one shot on net. Patrick Kane skated 21:14 and was credited with three shots on net. Alex DeBrincat skated 20:37 and put two shots on net. That trio was on the ice together for 14:57, during which the Blackhawks put 11 shots on net and the Canes put 12 on Corey Crawford.

Dominik Kubalik, David Kampf and Alex Nylander were on the ice together for 9:04. That group was on the ice for eight Blackhawks shots on net against three for the Canes.

Brandon Saad, Kirby Dach and Andrew Shaw were together for 9:40. Both teams out five shots on net while this Chicago trio was together.

The effort appeared to be better on the surface but the results are still nowhere to be found. The Blackhawks return to the United Center for a Sunday game with a 2-5-2 record.

Maybe it’s time to start scouting the potential top-five picks in the 2020 NHL Draft.

121 thoughts on “Blackhawks Blasted In Carolina

  1. Once again, if the players suck, this is on Bowman, it’s his roster that he built. If the coach sucks, this is on Bowman, it’s his guy 1000% escorted in from Europe w/ a pitstop in Rockford. If it’s a combination of the first two, this is on Bowman.

    Conclusion:. The Hawks suck bc of Bowman. Tx very much Bowman.

    P.S. go watch/listen to the Coach’s press conference, one would think it was from last season during the losing streaks, he says the same stuff.

  2. I guess the “One Goal” mantra now means we are trying everything possible to try and score one goal…..

  3. Again my three criteria for firing Stan:

    1) lacklustre season: check (so far)

    2) bad trade of Joki: check (so far)

    3) slow development of last 2 draft classes: check (so far)*

    *Dach okay but Boqvist and Beaudin have combined for zero points in 11 games.

  4. On the bright side of things,at least they did not give STROME that big contract.After watching him and TOEWS the first 9 games I really can not decide on who is floating around the ice accomplishing the least.Bring up HIGHMORE and SYKURA from Rockford and give the 2 least productive center men a rest on long term injured reserve.They both look hurt to me.

  5. Hmmm, tough start to the season. They seem to trade away decent talent trying to find the right mix. Instead, they should develop the guys they have.

  6. Nothing is going right for the Hawks in any part of the game. You can’t fire the team but you can change the style that hasn’t worked. Colliton should be let go before the plane lands at Ohare. Right this ship before the entire season is lost, what we have now is shit.

  7. So Jordy, are you saying we should stop saying the 4 HORSEMEN?

    Better first 2 periods. Same results. Toews was seen trying to make some plays. Kane was seen avoiding contact at all costs – usually the puck. Strome was seen sitting on the bench a lot. Dach plays some pretty good hockey for a kid. Kneelander certainly one of the best players today. I think he figured it out. Maybe someone told him just to watch the other players to how ugly he looked out there!

    Oh – our Dmen reverted to last season’s form in the 3rd. That’s why we can’t play an open hockey, and that is one of the things that JC is hoping we can learn as a team. It felt good to not have to try and figure out who the worst defender was in the 3rd period. Throw em all in a hat and pull any name out and you would be right.

    Can see the frustration now. VERY evident.

    Congrats Corey. You survived another game in Chicago. Speaking of frustrated…

    We win tomorrow. Or………………. it gets really ugly. With our luck – our goalie (likely Lehner) will have an awful game.

    Might be time to bring out the boxing gloves and get a whole bunch emotional out there.

  8. This season feels so similar to last season its eerie with one exception…Toews, Strome and Debrincat are all in slumps…at the SAME TIME!

    Hull65 should be somewhat happy. Toews played with Kane and Debrincat. Lol

    The effort is there but the team gets down on itself pretty good when the other team goes up 2-0.

    Im a bit surprised at Rockford getting crushed both games this weekend too.

    Its only 3 weeks yet the season feels 3 months old. Lol

  9. Colliton should be coaching in Rockford, learning the ropes as a head Coach in North America. Derek King should be Coaching at Indy, college leftovers who are good enough to play pro hockey.
    It’s the Peter Principal. Both have been elevated to jobs in the company in which they are not competent to handle.

    I’ve long been a supporter of Stan. But it’s clearly obvious as Iceman pointed out above. From the coaching staff to the roster, it’s all Bowman.

    Keep in mind, McDonough in his lengthy interview in the Athletic in the off season said, “We have to make the playoffs “. So far not even close.

  10. So much for the pk showing life, 2pp allowed on 2 chances, pp 0 for 3. A debacle of a shift to end the 2nd. Toews without a stick, 2 wingers who don’t play defence with sticks, Maatta and Seabrook with wrong shot stick from Toews. Not liable to survive that one. Offense, every line was creating scoring chances, that was good, bad news none could capitalize. 3rd period just didn’t have what it took to come back.

  11. We hope Bow-man shoots himself in the foot with a poison arrow for the last time.
    Fans do not deserve this bunch of hooligans pretending it’s the ice follies.
    So help me I will go to the Allstate arena for the wolves season.

  12. @SS: yes, I think so.

    As well, Joki is elsewhere roaming the ice like a young tatanka so the math is off.

  13. We are on pace for a 50 point season …guaranteeing the first over all pick .
    Mo figures it will be the 5th horseman ,here to save the day !

  14. I think you’re right Iceman- SMUG only works if things are going well. And things haven’t and actually could be getting worse, and that’s hard to do. October does matter!

    MS new motto–‘One Goal is the Goal’

  15. Hello friends!

    Is your team in a slump? Have your stars not scored a goal yet this season?
    Then come on down and play a game against the Blackhawks!

    We got slow defenseman, bad puck management and turnovers your forwards just can’t resist.

    Are you players bummed because their stats are down?

    No problem! The Blackhawks have a terrible penalty kill to get your team out of its doldrums. They’re so inept it’ll take you mere seconds to score that power play goal.

    But wait! There’s more! Did one of your players take a dumb penalty? Thats okay because the Hawks power play sucks too making it easy to score shorthanded as well.

    Here’s James Van Reimsdyk…

    “I hadn’t scored yet this season but Eric Gustafsson helped me out and made it easy. Thanks, Gus!”

    So come on down and let the Hawks help your team get in the win column the right way!

  16. We have assumed that Crawford would replace JC but are there any other decent outside candidates? Someone mentioned Darryl Sutter (not sure if that was serious) but he is under contract as a consultant to the Kings.

  17. This team can’t compete enough to be successful. The core is done. The power play is a dumpster fire.

  18. MS. I mentioned Daryl Sutter the other night after Colliton went on a diatribe about hard work. Sutter’s entire mantra is work hard. If it’s not working, then work harder.
    If that’s Colliton’s formula then we are better off with somebody who has pounded home that same formula and been successful instead of Boy Wonder who acts like he has the secret potion.

  19. As for trades. Stan would be wise to move Gustafson while he still has that 60 point season in recent memory. If he cannot ignite the Hawks power play, then he’s useless.
    Waive Zack Smith and send him to Rockford and let him provide leadership there for $3million.

  20. Exactly Craig. Savard said the same thing when he was coach.

    This is Colliton saving face. It’s a way to ignore the poor coaching and inane line combos.

    And Stan likely won’t move him because it would admit that blunder.

  21. Some people mentioning Suter above. That would be a great scenario. A long shot, but fingers crossed. Lots of mistakes in the office the last few years.

  22. Trip Forever.
    The beauty of Savard when he became Coach was, he told the players -just go out and play. Forwards play forward. Create and show me your skill. Defense, defend and break up plays. Just play hockey with your skill and instincts.

    It worked short term. The team loved him and played really loose. The strategy came later and he was unequipped.

    Can you imagine if Stan demoted Colliton and brought in Savvy as interim Coach for say 15 to 20 games ?

    Savvy would come in and tell Toews, Kane, Strome, Cat, Saad, Kubalik, Perlini (yesPerlini), Nylander and Dach were told just “go”. No structure except for the power play. Just play !

    Hmmm

  23. As I mentioned in a previous thread, I didn’t like Colliton’s presser after the Philly game because it revealed how clueless he is. Yes, hard work matters, it always does, but chemistry matters more right now with this team. Most of these guys have never played together, except for a handful of real games and a few pre-season ones. You need to set the lines and let them play. The end of last season was a great indication of how to do that. Toews and Kane need to be together and stay together, same with Storme and DeBrincat. If there’s any experimentation it should be who fills the open wing on both combos. Saad has been the best player all year and the third line is solid, as is the fourth. This coach is over his head and even though I said I needed to see a dozen or so games before passing judgment on this squad, we’ll, I don’t. Colliton should be shown the door and Crawford should take over before it’s too late.

  24. I always thought Sutter would return.

    Theres always his brothers Brian or Duane.

    Or Dirk Graham

    Or Alpo Suhonen

    Or…

  25. Have said all along not sold on Colliton being the guy to win next cup with, thought as coach to help the young guys develop he may be good. In some ways he has, some ways he hasn’t.
    All agreed a top pair D was biggest concern heading into season. He asks Center to be 3rd Dman in own end and he took his best center at that roll to play against opposing teams top line in Kampf to try and keep them from beating them. That part has been about the only thing that was successful. Not sure what else he could do there, the offense that was supposed to be a given is non existent. After pk seemed to show improvement is back to square one again it seems, pp regressed at end of last season back to early last season results and hasn’t found itself yet this year.

    Gus and Strome have hit the reality roadblock, not unexpected when last years numbers suggested it wasn’t sustainable for either. Coaching change may help, this team can still be competitive if best pkayers become that.

  26. I feel that one of two things is going to happen tomorrow:
    We show up – come out flying and beat the snot out of LA
    OR
    LA comes in and delivers a death punch to this team that will essentially destroy us

    I wouldn’t expect a patient crowd if I was part of the team.

    Guys got home in time to sleep in their own beds. I hope that helped. Probably taking a sip or two right now.

    Anyone hears or sees anything from the morning skate – would appreciate the update here.

    Thanks in advance.

  27. Love Sutter as a coach, Blackhawks not your typical Sutter forward group though.
    Silent be optional skate only tomorrow, most likely. Some won’t show, some will.

  28. This now on Rocky. He gave Bowman enough rope. To hang himself. Rocky. Pull the lever and end this now. The Blues did last year ! This GM literally destroyed this team last 6 years . They are back to being a team you don’t watch and go clean out the garage instead. There’s nothing left to be hopeful for cuz he trades them away. My hats off to coach Q & Tallon. This Prick was run out of Detroit and now send him pack n ! Every team looks better and R Better. Shameful how this moron blew up the Cap & gave out long contracts and then traded away the future ! Glad I have better things to do than watch the slow death of aging stars ! I’m out

  29. I don’t think we have enough skill in our lineup. We don’t have enough speed either. We seem to get outmuscled for the puck too often. We rarely play desperate hockey. Poor teams like ours seem to get more than their share of bad luck. Several of our players are fighting the puck as well. I hope we find a better coach soon and a better GM who understands the right players for today’s game.

  30. Just asking who u bring in as a GM. Tommy Hawk can t be any worse And bring in Eddy O to coach. This man knows the game on how to play !

  31. And there u have it @Hossahawk It’s called experience but You 1st have to Dump the GM Put Any of those 3 at GM. And coach. I watched Colorado smoke the knights. Colo looks like 2010 hawks. So fast it make your head spin. This game has changed to speed youth and size. !

  32. I said last year I hope JC did not get promoted out of a job. Well it looks like he is. Hawks need to find a coach who can get 100% out of his players. Unfortunately JC nor Crawford is that guy. I hate stating problems without a solution but I don’t have one.

  33. This coach is not behind the bench of a team with triple A type talent in Europe. He is overmatched. They can’t play defense so try and out offense them. Perlini has the speed they lack but he sits. He breaks up Strome and DeBrincat, born to play together and keeps playing Kampf who might be good on his Europe team, but he couldn’t score on me. So he goes-hand in hand with Bowman, who has ruined this team. Remember, most of the players that drove the Cup teams were acquired by Dale Tallon. Bowman gives us Kampf.

  34. Saad Toews Kane
    Debrincat Strome Perlini
    Shaw Dach Nylander
    Carpenter Kamp Cagguila

    I like Kubalik`s game but he’s been quiet lately and a game or two viewing from the press box won’t hurt him.

    Goal scoring has dried up. Just so many players to get going now that you have nothing to lose with inserting Perlini back into the lineup with Strome and Debrincat. Neither of those two have done anything now for almost 5 games. Familiarity and chemistry has been lacking and we need a spark. You also need a bit more speed and size in the lineup and perhaps the players rally around Perlini being back in the lineup. We’re 2-5-2, what is there to lose. Heaven forbid we give a young 23 player with some size and speed another chance to re-deem himself and develop some confidence with line mates that he’s had some success with in the past.

  35. I said this last year a few times, and perhaps it was unpopular but will propose it again. It will be the young core that will make the difference and they will be the future of this team. That is where the resources need to go and the next leadership will hopefully emerge.
    All the talk is about the ‘window of opportunity’-what if that isn’t realistic or relevant?

    1) 2 and 7 are past or way past their prime
    2) 19 plays a hard, important game but that game has taken a toll on him and perhaps he’s a quality #2 going forward
    3) Crow can’t be expected to be above average with age and injuries
    4) 88 plays hard when ‘he’ wants to and loves points-is that leadership?
    5) they won 3 Cups and does that lower the desire to have to win another?

    Some concerns are that the draft picks haven’t been stellar and only one possible star has emerged and that’s Debrincat and his game has some short comings. (Dach looks good and Boqvist might emerge as a really good quarterback on the PP) I like some of the grit and Saad looks good. The emphasis has been on D-men in the draft but will it emerge as a strength?
    They need to get a true #1 on D-not sure if they have it yet. And a legit #2
    They need a younger #1 goalie locked up-Lehner?
    They need a quick, talented and edgy power forward.
    and they need young character to lead.
    and of course do they have the right management and coaching staff?

    Are they a fast, exciting, confident/ motivated team that is well coached? That should be the goal-I think they are caught half way between.

    Lot’s of questions. Not many answers.

  36. How is this for a possible solution. Fire JC and Bowman. I would like Darryl Sutter but not going to happen. So how about Mark Hunter as GM , and Dale the coach.Mark has an excellent eye for drafting , and the London Knights are always in contention. Before everyone starts yelling at me for this idea. I ask can it get any worse?

  37. I thought Perlini should have played today – his speed and size would be useful and he should be motivated to work hard but JC seems unlikely to give him a chance

    JC seems too concerned with proving himself right about Kampf who is not a top 9 player – no matter how good he is defensively and forechecking you can’t win with a team of Kampf’s – you need to get the stars going

    20-19-88
    12-17-11
    92-77-8
    91-22-65

    …and speaking of speed or lack thereof Seabs needs to be off the the PK and if Murphy wasn’t injured he probably should be scratched

  38. Bowman has been sitting on his rear end since he took over and since his father has had the Wirtz family in the palm of his hand.
    How many players on this team has Stan Bowman drafted?
    SAAD, DCAT, SHAW, DACH for a grand total of 4? Please no talk about Mr.HYPE 165 pound when wet Dylan Sikura! Please!
    Tells you all you need to know about the little arrogant accountant who poses as a GM. I said last year when he traded Schmaltz that it was an awful trade and that only if Perlini makes an impact does he save face. So? Schmaltz is the top scorer of ARIZONA! Strome can’t skate, is soft and weak for his size and without Dcat, he is a non factor. Ask yourself this question, the SABRES have been awful the last 4-6 seasons and Nylander couldn’t make the team. ARIZONA has been awful for the last 6-7 seasons and Strome couldn’t make the team. And what does Bowman do? Trades for them.
    Hires a clueless 2nd Div. Swedish defensive style coach who cannot put two scoring lines with his top six together. Today, DCAT has to dig the puck out for Kane and Toews? Joke!
    Doesn’t take a brain surgeon to put duos together who have chemistry.
    And in this case, they saved his job last year.
    20 19 18
    12 17 11
    65 77 92
    15 22 8
    How does a coach decide that CAGG should play ahead of Perlini or that Kubalik shoud play ahead of Perlini?
    Play the right way he says? First you need to coach the right way!
    And I repeat, giving Lehner all that money (he will not sign with Hawks next season anyway) was dumb. All Bowman wants to do is hit a home run like he did with Panarin and then arrogantly remind everyone how he discovered the player.
    Trust me, Saarela will also never sign with the HAWKS after his brother was traded. Remember Kevin Hayes? Where is James Neal? Where is JT Miller both heavy winger, vets, high draft picks who actually play in the NHL and are hard nose players.
    Amazing one beautiful stat, not one dman he’s drafted on the team again this year. Not one goalie he’s drafted on the team thsi year.
    What more does the Wirtz family need to know. Then again, what do they know about hockey, they hired a baseball guy in MCDONUT! Let Tallon go! Same Organization that let Bowman hire JC and Pierre Gauthier, worse pro scout in hockey!
    Wirtz family, same family that did not want to pay Bobby Hull or Eddie Belfour or JR.
    How did Teuvo look today?
    I love the Anthony Louis draft, right Mark Kelley ands Stan Bowman? Or that soccer goalie from Belgium? Funny stuff!

  39. There are a “Hull” of a lot of people who are writing the same thing. They even sound like they are coming from the same fingers!

    LA Kings got clobbered by Minnesota tonight. And Min is BARELY better than us in the standings. We got a shot Sunday.

    6-2 score tomorrow. Just not sure who wins…

  40. my 4th line should have been 64-22-65 which would be a good 4th line

    DCat had 5 more minutes TOI then Saad who has been our best and most consistent forward over 200 feet while DCat is a defensive liability

    Lose to LA and I think it’s JC’s last game

  41. I believe the main issue with the Hawks has been the shooting. Too many shots missing the net, and too many passes trying to made a highlight reel play. Would good does it do to have JC have them skake laps when they need shooting practice intead.

    Steve D

  42. Reading the stats on Icehogs two losses this weekend and boy do they ever parallel the Blackhawks woes.

    Is the farm team playing the exact same system? If so, it makes me wonder if its the wrong one for these teams.

  43. S. Spot–Har! I thought the same thing when I saw the Kings loss tonight.

    If the Hawks beat LA tomorrow folks will say “well, it was just LA” and if they lose then folks will say “Man, we cant even beat the Kings!”

    Please Chicago…beat the Kings.

  44. As bad as the PK is lately, and it is very bad, the PP is even worse. So much so that I think we should call it the PeePee until it improves. Our main problem is lack of goals and bad turnovers in our own zone or just outside it. The turnovers are careless and due mostly to lazy play. We’re also not playing with a sense of urgency for more than half the game and it’s showing.

    The slam on Kampf not scoring goals is ill-founded. It’s not his primary job to score goals…his job is to help shut down the main scoring lines of the opposing teams. And, he’s doing a solid job with that. Our problems have not been due to the 3rd and 4th lines and the stats would bear that out. Outside of Kane’s 8 points in 9 games, Toews, DeBrincat, and Strome aren’t scoring like last year. Toews 2-way game and faceoff prowess is very good but we need some scoring from him too.

    I agree with the comment from Ross to give Perlini a shot (as long as he’s not traded yet) for his speed and size. But in the same breath to suggest sitting Kubalik who is one of the fastest guys we have and has been all over the ice and not really the problem.

    Maybe JC is overmatched and the stars are tuning out. That’s possible. I like JD’s comment that “we have to make the playoffs this year” to apply to Stan. If we don’t make it, it’s time to move on.

    And that “Come To The United Center To Play The Blackhawks” infomercial by Loags was hilarious!

  45. Duncan Keith shot wide. Come on Keith! Love the guy, but he can’t be on the power play, if he’ going to miss the net every time

  46. Rocky needs to get into the game here and make a couple of calls and bring in Ken HITCHCOCK as G.M and Lindy RUFF as the Head Coach.They will bring in their people to clear out this scouting department and dispatch these disinterested veterans.The fans here deserve a NHL product.And the team President can be relieved of making any hockey decisions and be solely responsible for marketing and making sure there is paper in the Fax and Copy Machines.Love to see SUTTER and Eddie O. involved but i dont think they want any part of the day to day grind anymore.Rumor has it that Ottawa is interested in both PERLINI And SMITH as they are desperate for forwards.

  47. Personally i think you’ll see Bowman and Colliton stay around as they try to turn this around. Really not that far off, if offense picks up. Special teams play needs to improve for major improvement to happen, with a few wins and confidence it can make a big difference.
    Silent good one lol, amazing how some fans are only happy when they are losing.

  48. As for what windows remain, making the playoffs first and getting better every year is the window. Playoffs this year will be a major challenge for this year, now.

  49. These are all professional hockey clubs capable of winning a game on any day. Sparky Anderson once said it doesn’t matter who you play what matters is when you play them. Hawks of run into some rough lock but I agree with Ian. The parts are there for a competitive team, putting it together is the key.

  50. “It doesn’t matter who you play what matters is when you play them.” Carolina hadn’t played well in their three games before smashing the Hawks. Chicago’s become the bounceback other teams need to get back on track.

  51. That’s the thing if offense were to get going, playing them playing them becomes a different scenario. The possession game favours the Blackhawks alot games this year, not just chasing the game when other team protecting lead this year, but in all situations, something that has been missing last few years and suggests with some scoring support wins will come. Unfortunately until that happens, too much pressure on the defence exists to be successful.
    Again special teams need to find a way to get in done both sides or it will be tough to win consistently with just 5 on 5 play.

  52. Any thoughts on trading a Patrick Kane at this point? I know how our supposed stars are worshipped in this town, which may be the core of why the sports teams in this town don’t perform at a perceived top level, but drastic times call for drastic measures.
    After D Cats rookie season, I called for his trade, along with Seabrooke. Would anybody be open to that or is it just too late for that?
    I’m in the Hull65 camp, that bigger and skilled is better than smaller and skilled. I disagree that Perlini is any kind of answer to the problems. Even though he is big and fast, there is such a thing as heart and instinct to play the game, of which he appears to have neither.

  53. Don’t expect Kane will be traded, as far as bigger and skilled, that will more than likely be a progression thing. Selling out in a i want it now move probably not the best route, Dach certaimly fits that mode. Also Teply drafted last year playing in Whl looks very promising as power forward, that’s happening. Some good size in Rfd, if Entwistle and even Kurashev make roster next season. Agree Perlini doesn’t seem to be a move addressing that at all but giving him some ice time while he’s there might spark something even if it is only a game or 2 then he loses his focus again , take smaller players with heart every time though.

  54. In either the game against Carolina, or in the game coming up against LA, I’m not so sure it would have been/would be a good idea to play Perlini. They’ve already stated they’re trading him. He’s done. Also, if they play him, and he craps the bed, then that’s all the more reason for someone else to not be eager to obtain him.

    In the TV pregame, Jamal Mayers said it pretty much came down to the fact that Perlini wasn’t willing to work hard consistently, and I’m assuming that means practice as well. Stated that it was the same story with two clubs, and now it’s time for him to move on, and try to turn it around somehow with a third club.

    If the Blackhawks play really poorly, and with no energy, against LA, it will be interesting to see what the near future brings. A precedent has already been set with this organization with bad starts. I don’t terribly dislike Colliton at all, but for those of you familiar with Bulls basketball, I’m feeling at least some slight similarity of this situation with Bulls GM Jerry Krause and his coach, Tim Floyd. That may be harsh, but things are just not going well. I still put it ultimately on the players, but you wonder what Wirtz, McDonough, etc. are thinking now.

  55. So the losing streak with Kirby Dach in lineup is now 4 games and counting…
    Sure it is nice story and huge marketing boost and I agree that Dach benefits more from staying in NHL than going back to Juniors, but is it better for Hawks too?

  56. 7, 77, 91, 11, 17, 15, 8, 39 and 50 at morning skate.
    Caggiila back in for Smith, Gilbert in for Seabrook and Lehner starter

  57. Ian–Whoa.

    Gilbert is playing instead of Seabs tonight? Its one thing for Coach Q to scratch Seabrook but Colliton…wow. Good on him to have some balls but…what aboot Gus?

  58. Big agree its catch 22 situation, maybe you got right idea. Loags may as well throw Panarun in that group. Although the daily rant on getting Ssad back for him has hit a dull roar lately lol.

  59. I like the Gilbert move. Seabs needs to sit on a back-to-back situation. For his sake and for the sake of us that watch.

    This is a character call game. They – and everyone else in the league – know they should win. We will see what the leadership of this team looks like. If Kane and Toews don’t show up, it is time for a public spanking.

    Quick was in the net yesterday, so probably not today. Not that he has looked good this year, but he definitely can shut down a team.

  60. This post here by Craig, I agree with this and have nothing against Colliton. I routed for everybody on the team and coaches to do good. Right now, just not working out, thought change new system was the way to go.

    Cant help to say anything but stay classy with my posts.

    CRAIG NIGRELLI
    October 26, 2019 at 6:25 pm
    Colliton should be coaching in Rockford, learning the ropes as a head Coach in North America. Derek King should be Coaching at Indy, college leftovers who are good enough to play pro hockey.
    It’s the Peter Principal. Both have been elevated to jobs in the company in which they are not competent to handle.

    I’ve long been a supporter of Stan. But it’s clearly obvious as Iceman pointed out above. From the coaching staff to the roster, it’s all Bowman.

    Keep in mind, McDonough in his lengthy interview in the Athletic in the off season said, “We have to make the playoffs “. So far not even close.

  61. Slammer, your right for the first time since 2008 I havnt watched every period.

    Wrap, your lines
    20-19-88
    12-17-11
    92-77-8
    91-22-65

    should be the way to go to get out of this mess, in terms of positions.

  62. Cant help but notice were 0-4 in games without 5 or and 44.
    Were 2-1-1 when we have both 44 an 5 Defensive Defensemen.

  63. Ian / Mike, I think same we have good players, the PK was good until we started playing like that. Get your act together, get some bounces, get some something going and were there for the 4 or 5 seed in division. Long ways to go but I can be done and as bad as things look sometimes, I do not believe were going to go 3-8 and then 0-8 like last yr, 3-16 stretch that put us in that spot we came close to 8 seed.

    Agree with Tim that when we need to do that thats the kind of thing to do.

  64. Noonan, going for the future wave. Keep Lehner since hes younger even if Crow is a little better. 77 and 27 and others are going to be good players. We have a lot of what your demanding.

    Get that #1 in the summer there are a few there and we need it, so do it. Any of the Four Horsemen should be a true #2 Defensemen, so thats covered.

    I would like to keep the roster full though, while doing this.

  65. I have zero problem with sitting Seabs but now we will play with six left handed d-men. Adds another small challenge we don’t need right now. To me the most important thing to fix is special teams – much more critical than line combos. They are huge momentum and confidence killers. Seems to me we have given up almost as many quality short handed chances as quality scoring chances for our side. If the special teams can be average we should be competitive.

    Silent – Quick has not been good this year although we have been the perfect tonic for anyone who has been struggling.

  66. MS agree the Blackhawks inability gives goalies confidence and they get better as games goes on. Yessterday was perfect example, Mzarek appeared shaky early and got confident as game wore on.

  67. Nice Morrison! That’s the lines.
    Simple!
    And by the way, if your small with a big heart but you can get the puck off anyone or score goals what’s the point. Did you see the size of most of the Carolina players.
    Again, Seabs not the problem…when you get outshot every night it’s because your offence does not hang on to the puck in all zones. We are too small. And Kubalike skates fasty but what else does he do? Saad got his first goal shiort handed, his second goal in an empty net and his bthird of a pass from Shaw and Dach. So, what have Kampf and Kubalik done? They are 4th line players at best.
    20 19 88
    12 17 11
    65 77 92
    15 22 8

  68. So Hull put in big body that won’t try, problem solved lol. Try watching a game and see who actually gets the pucks back.

  69. Hull65–Perlini was traded to Chicago because they’d seen enough. The dude is lazy and has poor vision. When he feels like it, yes, he can play well, but he’s absolutely frustrating to the coaching staff because he’ll disappear several games in a row. Ive read he has a laid back personality and it shows many times on the ice.

    When he was traded from Arizona I went looking at the comments in their message board and its very similar to Hawks fans now. Now you know why we got both him and Strome for Schmaltz.

  70. Well, are the Bears actually the Hawks in cleats, or are the Hawks actually the Bears on skates?

    It’s up to the Hawks now to make Chicago fans not forget about this Sunday.

  71. Seabs is out – Gilbert in – makes sense to me, the game unfortunately has become too fast for Seabrook – he’s a gamer but not mobile enough, that 2nd CAR goal was hard to take and he can’t close on players fast enough especially on the PK

    Still want to see 20-19-88 and 12-17 -TBD – then at least we’ll know JC is at least trying to override his stubbornness for the betterment of the team

  72. Really Seabs riding the pine ? Benched ? Man what a system ,what a coach …We really miss a guy like Hossa …he was so much a key to this team ,,,leader in so many ways ..Coach potential ?

  73. 15, Hossa not officia?ly retired until July 1st, not eligible to be named coach until then. Recapture on his caphit if he did retire now.

  74. Wrap, thats what I think coach didnt do the ‘normal’ lines 20 19 88, 12 17 for that game and did what he wanted, now I think he has to do these normal lines, to show its not that. I havnt had anything against this coach but id he doesnt do the

    20 19 88
    12 17

    lines its going to piss off. We do not play good for certain games every 82 games every yr, even dynasty yrs, but you got to have the lines decent enough. Q did it every time we were ‘off’ for enough games. Plus Q did different lines throughout the first 20 games every yr, to find the right combos, see who could and cant work with who, and get the ideal lines from who we have each yr.

    So keep line blender until its good.

  75. Perlini shows up for an optional skate on a Sunday morning when he knows the Coach resents him.
    Maybe this guy deserves a second look before we kick him to the curb.

    Waive Zach Smith and let him go be the Captain in Rockford. They need a guy like him.

    Move Perlini to 13th forward and rotate him in on night like tonight.

  76. Yea I am for letting 11 play because of how many of the guys didnt show up in other game. Things happen like that sometimes. I do not think his value could be worse so, that thought makes sense, but I do not think were going to get anything for him anyways. That would be funny if 11 helped get us going, and with a good work ethic to boot.

  77. Say one thing, if Colliton’s trying to take the heat off the players and get people criticizing him, it’s working. Hopefully that is the case, putting pressure on him and keeping it off players.

  78. Unreal, a 5’8″ Cagg , a 4th line player once againon the 1st line trying to dig up the puck in the corners against Doughty to give to Tioews and Kane…. JOKE!!!!

  79. How does Dach get hit into boards so much. Boarding. He should do those backwards checks on those players and smack them in the face.

  80. How does he? It’s experience. He’ll learn.

    With Seabrook being scratched and his leadership being lauded… The icehogs only have 1 assistant coach… Retire and make him the priciest AHL assistant coach ever

  81. We know 12 and 17 have chemistry. Thank god we do not have 12 on same line as 19. Thats what I was waiting for.

    Nylander coming. We need these younger good players that Noonan said to get. Be nice that other Defensemen prospects become good players and I like Haan. Hes sort of like Hammer in a way.

  82. To answer you, Ian. I believe Colliton thought the 4th line might jumpstart the offense.

  83. It’s all unfortunate. Falling flat right out of the gate, but Ive been through worse times than this as a fan. We’re better than LA and Detroit. That will sustain me for the time being.

  84. Looks like JC is been reading all about our line combinations and finalky has figured out how not be br fired be reuniting 19 & 88, 12 & 17.
    Now SAAD or a big strong winger is need for Toews and Kane (Cagg has heart but its not going to be enough. And if Perlini is not playing than Carpenter is not the man either…. We need a real top 6. LA is not a great team.

  85. Your right we need that kind of player with 19 88.

    Also see 92 with someone who can score or playmaker. Having 2 guys who work hard like 22 64 helps. I would get the 20 65 77 line with 92 somehow.

    LA does suck, VEG was on a 4 in 6 and guess we are in a 5 in 7 so its when you play teams sometimes, sch. Hopefully we get our act together, so we can play and I am going to go by games 10-20, for me.

    I would get 20 with 19 and get 92 with 20 77 65 somwhow.

  86. Lets give a little credit where it’s deserved. Saad put with 64 and 8, then was playing best on team, the calls were to move him. Now with 77 and 65 has looked good but no where near as noticeable. Nylander started with 19 and 88 nothing special with them, looked alot better witb 91 and 22. Been on fire last coupkeof games with 64 and 8. Looks to me like 8 and 64 are making whoever plays with them look prtty good not the other way around.

    Great game by 17 12 and 22, great idea to jump start them on 4th line. Keith throeback game. Lehner top notch performance. Hope for a successfup road trip.

  87. Carpenter played well. Putting a hard working, defensive player with 12 and 17 worked.
    (no need for Perlini)

  88. Yea and 22 allows the OFF players to play their game because hes so good all around player and faceoffs. Pretty smart on that move.

  89. Once 77 gets enough time experience settled in and can really play, then I think we got another line or do a 77 19 88 line. How do you get those guys going.

    12 22 17 is good, like you said 64 8 and ? are good

    4 lines are better then 2.5, maybe by the time 77 is established enough 19 88 start going and then were looking like a different team.

  90. How freaking hard was that – to put 12-17 back together

    Why were they ever broken apart?

    Sorry JC but line combos matter and finally I think you got them pretty good

    I liked tonight’s lines 19-17-77-64 down the middle – makes sense, not that difficult either

    Carpenter with 12-17 definitely worked tonight and could be a thing

    I really liked the fact the Hawks could roll 4 lines – look at the TOI – very evenly spread out – I know the Hawks weren’t chasing the game but still…rolling 4 lines

    DCat had 13 min not the 20 min. he had vs CAR and even 19 and 88 were in the 16 – 17 range

    With these lines there is no traditional 4th line which I think is long overdue

    Tonight the so called 4th line was probably 92-64-8 and they have way more offensive potential than most 4th lines

    So kudos to the Hawks and JC – they got it right for once and credit where credit is due so now let’s take it on the road

    It’s gonna be a slog to make up any ground but if they’re serious about the playoffs they need a good road trip

  91. You know who I didn’t miss – Seabrook

    See if JC has the guts to keep him in the press box for a while – I think the D was more stable and looked more mobile, not fast but a little faster and more mobile with Gilbert

    And while I’m on about the D good game from KK – he’s playing well at the moment – keep it going

  92. Think it was when 19 88 went on different lines, because everybody called for that.

    Ian, that looks good and need to find right combos because we do have good players.

    Haan Carpenter are good.

  93. Remember games played is what to go by for points, not points. Its games over .500 is what counts. Were -2 after a shitty start, get to 10-10 or better and I like having a good 2nd 40 games again. This time with proper depth.

  94. I really don’t understand this fan base. Bitch about how slow Seabrook is and how much he’s making.

    Then…bitch when he gets scratched. No matter what they do it will be wrong to somebody.

  95. Nice game against a pretty bad team. Came at a good time, but I need to see the Hawks do this a few games against better competition before I get too excited. That said it was nice to take it to a team for a change.

    I think that JC needs to do a better job of getting Nylander and Dach playing time without disrupting the top lines. I remember when DeBrincat was a rookie and Coach Q stuck him on the third line and left him there pretty much all season long. He got sheltered minutes and it didn’t affect the top two lines at all and he managed to score 28 goals… I think putting Nylander and Dach in the bottom six solves a number of problems for the Hawks, 1) It gives them sheltered minutes. If JC is only going to play these guys 10-13 minutes a game he can do so from the bottom six without messing with the top six line combos. 2) It can bring scoring to the bottom six. 3) It allows you to play line combos that practiced together the entire game.

    Putting Nylander on the top line to start the season was a monstrous mistake. Only playing him 9 minutes there puts pressure on the guys who have to move from the line they practiced on and skate with guys who didn’t practice together. Same thing with Dach. Replacing Strome as second line center and then only playing 10 minutes causes a cascade effect through the lines putting guys who haven’t practiced with each other game time the rest of the minutes.

    I get that sometimes lines need to be scrambled during a game, but it seems like a nightly occurrence from JC. I think it is a direct result of putting guys in a position and them not being able to handle the load.

    I think if Nylander is going to play around 13 minutes he should be on the third line and if Dach is going to play around 10 minutes he should play on the fourth.

    20-19-8/88
    12-17-8/88
    92-64-65 (8)
    22/15-77-91

    This kind of distributes the guys according to the minutes they play and should put guys who compliment each other together. I like the idea of both 20 and 8 with Toews, but I also want to see what 8 could do with 12 and 17. If 64 and 8 can’t be broken up, fine, throw Shaw in the top six instead, but I hate him there and think he is a much better third line guy. Until Dach can play 15+ minutes a night he should not be in the top six. Period. Don’t put him on the second line until he can replace Strome’s 17+minutes a night centering that line.

    It’s ok for first round picks to play bottom six roles until they prove they can handle more. I think it has helped Nylander and more time there will reap dividends down the road. I don’t think this is a permanent place for these guys, but if Dach can’t play more than 10-12 minutes a night, he should play on the fourth line until he can play longer. Not unlike Nylander…

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