Blackhawks Come Up Empty In Washington

The first shift of the game for the Blackhawks was great.

The six minutes that followed were not.

After the line of Jonathan Toews, Patrick Kane and Brandon Saad held the puck in the offensive zone for more than 40 seconds, the Capitals turned the ice around and took advantage of an awful first change. Tom Wilson, fresh off his lengthy suspension for being a turd, scored the first goal of the night and promptly ran over Corey Crawford.

Thankfully, Crawford was OK. Sadly, nobody in the road white jerseys appeared to care that the only guy keeping them within smelling distance of a playoff spot just got trucked by a repeat offender.

Less than six minutes later, Andre Burakovsky scored a power play goal off a pretty feed from Jakub Vrana to make it 2-0 Washington.

When 20 minutes were in the books, the Hawks actually had a 14-12 shot advantage.

Vrana picked up his second assist of the night nearly ten minutes into the second period when he set up former Blackhawk Michal Kempny for his first goal of the year. The smile on Kempny’s face was a mile wide – almost as big as the three-goal margin felt for Hawks fans.

But two minutes later, Saad decided to give us a strong, physical move to the net and score for a third consecutive game.

Toews and Duncan Keith were credited with assists on the pretty goal from Saad, who now has seven goals on the year.

At the end of two periods, Chicago had a 24-21 shot advantage. The Hawks held their own in the second period and looked to cut into the lead again as the third period began.

Five minutes into the third, the Hawks were able to get within one. Erik Gustafsson made a tricky play settling down a bouncing puck and put home his second goal of the year.

Nick Schmaltz and Artem Anisimov picked up the helpers on the Gustafsson goal.

Chicago wouldn’t get any closer. Devante Smith-Pelly put the lead back to two less than two minutes after the Gustafsson goal and that’s where the score would finish.

Saad skated more than 22 minutes. Toews more than 23. And Kane almost 25. Alex DeBrincat was a fourth Chicago forward to skate more than 20 minutes in the game.

Chicago’s bottom line of John Hayden (2:45), Andreas Martinsen (4:13) and Marcus Kruger (6:55) barely made a dent in the box score. Martinsen did find a way to take a penalty, however.

Dominik Kahun was the only Hawks forward to not put a shot on net. Alexandre Fortin led Chicago with three hits.

Four of Chicago’s defensemen blocked two shots each. Brent Seabrook was credited with a team-leading nine shots on net in the game.

62 thoughts on “Blackhawks Come Up Empty In Washington

  1. Regardless of the fact Martinsen is an AHL player at best, Kruger should move back to Sweden and Hayden might belong in graduate school, there is zero zilch none no excuse for the coach barely playing them. The roster sucks and that’s Bowman’s fault, but that serves no purpose. There should be 3 new forwards recalled tomorrow then and send those 3 away.

    Was Bowman doing shots with Q watching Kempny?

  2. Well there goes going undefeated in 5 games in a row.

    Every loss doesn’t make you mad this yr/transition yr good for top pick.
    Every win or tie feels good, want to win. Its a fine line between 45-35 and 35-45/playoffs.

    Roster prob by design to get better roster loaded again. A couple high end picks and then pounce on the ufas/we want next two July 1sts.

  3. Watched the Washington feed. The colour guy talked aboot Kempny being thankful that he was traded as hisNHL career was in doubt. Kempny also mentioned that the two systems (Coach Q’s that is vs Wash) was “night and Day”.

    I question the heart of many on Chicago. Schmaltz being one of them. He’s like a scared rabbit out there. Why Chicago has him in the slot in the PP is beyond me. I don’t think he really screens the goalie from that far away and he’s nowhere near to get a rebound.

    Can the forwards stop pulling up after they cross the blue line? Take a look at Saad. He charges toward the net and good things happen.

    Speaking of Saad. Man, hes got quick wrists. Nice goal.

    After I saw Gustafsson’s goal I wondered if maybe they should try him as a forward. He has offensive skill and the bottom six lacks much scoring depth. They have plenty of Dmen too. Why not try it. He’s more gifted than Fortin (Jack Skille 2.0)

    The 4th Washington goal could’ve been stopped if Anisimov would’ve actually tried to catch up to the goal scorer but instead just paced behind him. (Theres that lack of heart Im talking aboot) I hope to see him gone at the trade deadline.

    And lastly…the Nylander trade rumour I read today asking if Chicago should be in play. Answer: No. He wants 8 million. ’nuff said.

  4. Saad’s power move and great shot for the goal was good to see.
    However, at the end of the 2nd period he had a perfect chance, right in front of the Blackhawks’ bench, to ANNIHILATE Tom Wilson (you do him justice, Tab, by calling him a turd). It would have been a perfectly clean hit as well as would have separated him from the puck. Plus, it would have charged up the team. Wilson needs to be checked, and especially in a situation like that. It would have been clean and Saad is able to do that. Missed opportunity in more ways than one.

    The puck is not finding DeBrincat and vice/versa.

    Top liners are going to get burned out at this pace.

  5. Let’s try not to blame this on the officiating or the schedule. Gus should have gotten an obvious penalty and the slash from Ovi was anything but important to the play. There’s two breaks our way.

    We got outplayed by a team that is better than us, and likely would beat us at least 15 times out of 20. Crow did all he could. Even without two of the best guns we got eaten up out there.

    Maybe once we get toward Christmas and we have secured a non-playoff spot we can get around to figuring out if any of the kids can score goals. Break up the top line and get some kids with some talented players and see what happens. We don’t need wins. We need development.

    Anyone seen Dcat in the past 3 weeks? I hope he is dinged up and not giving up. He looks uninterested out there.

    Overall, I think I like that Keith and Seabrook are the top pair (which really speaks to the lack of talent in our Dmen right now). Let the kids pair up and find their games while the vets try to handle the pressure. Slowly move a kid pair into more pressure situations and let them learn. I like what Coach C is doing there.

    And please, for the love of hockey, get rid of that STUPID drop pass crap on the entry of the PP. In fact, gut the whole blasted PP. Keith in the middle, in a shooter position? Seriously? Can he break styrofoam with his shot? Time to get serious about creating a PP that is offensive to the opposition instead of being offensive to Hawks fans. My gosh – just look at tape of what the Caps do. And then imagine what it is like when they have their other two stars out there (see Stanley Cup films from last season). Or maybe just start declining penalties. Hey, I got it. Someone on our team should take a penalty when they see we might go on the PP. 4-on-4 is better than our PP. That is the most painful part of watching the Hawks right now for me.

  6. On the 4th WSH goal Anisimov started the sequence almost at the WSH blue line and Kempny picked Kanes breakaway pass out of mid-air yet he made it back deeper in the zone than Kane who didn’t pick any one up and was cruising for a pass even though Wish had the puck so I’m not faulting AA on the back check

    Truth is Joki shouldn’t have gone to the WSH player leaving Smith-Pelley all alone in front and one of the other FWs (either Kane or whoever else was out there) could have picked up Smith-Pelley rather than leaving him for AA who was coming from the furthest distance away

    I have no problem with JC not playing the 4th line much – the Hawks had to score (they were playing catch up all game) and that line’s not going to

    I know Tab doesn’t agree but IMO Schmaltz lacks much hockey IQ – that first WSH goal was all on him – the Hawks had the D coverage on the 3 on 3 and Schmaltz left Ovi (believe that) to help Seabrook who didn’t’ need help leaving the Caps a 2 on 1

    Just one of many examples of Schmaltz not thinking the game at the level he needs to

    Also that 2nd WSH goal was a bit lucky IMO – that was a blind back pass to no one and it just happened to find the WSH player

    The Hawks didn’t play that bad except for the first 10 minutes or so

    I still want Sikura up

  7. The tank-a-Hawks are back after disappearing for a few games. There were some positives and some negatives but one recurring theme that is driving me nuts and that’s the play of Schmaltz. He pussies up the puck at least a couple times a game to avoid getting hit. That is just unacceptable. Hey Schmaltzy, this is hockey – not the Ice Capades. Either grow a pair or give Disney on Ice a call to see if they need someone to play Tinker Bell.

  8. Bottom line? Kahun, Fortin, Kunitz, Kruger, Ward, Kampf, Manning, Davidson, AA, Hayden, Martinson, Johnson, do not make Washington’s roster even as a 4th line.
    Bowman’s fault.
    Washington for the last decade, could have been representing the east in the finals many times if not for Pittsburgh, yet they have managed to keep their stars forever and each year, even drafting late in rounds, keep producing high end prospects especially up front. Meaning the forwards always have the puck just like the HAWKS did back in 2010!
    Kane is not effective with Toews. He needs to play his style of hockey which means he drives the line with his puck possession. This is why he is better suited to play with #8.

  9. ER, maybe we have Nylander instead in a couple yrs. Caphits are fine for really good players. We have the space and will have more after roster adjustments.

  10. Hey Stan and Jeremy!
    Try this next game:
    DeBrincat – Toews – Schmaltz
    Saad – Anisimov – Kane
    Kahun – Kampf – Sikura
    Kunitz – Kruger – Fortin

    Keith – Jokiharju
    Gustafsson – Seabrook
    Forsling – Rutta

    Crawford

    I know 4th Line look like shit but it’s all weekend have for now

    Bottom 6 is so bad
    And we need 1 or 2 top 4 d-man

    Let’s go Stan wake Up body

  11. – Crow should have played better. He put us at a big disadvantage by allowing 2 goals in the first period despite facing less shots than the other goalie.

    – I’ve been saying it forever: Schmaltz has a low hockey IQ. He doesn’t know when to pass, when to shoot, and how to defend. He looks clueless 80% of the time, but for some reason everything is forgotten when he makes some pretty play once in a blue moon.

    – Kane isn’t tough enough to play against top lines of other teams. He’s doing okay,
    but he should be moved back to the second line. Put Gus on the top line with Saad and Toews. He has great offensive skills to be a forward.

    – Overall, the team doesn’t look bad at all.

  12. Ouch. Kempny scores. Caps nix an AA breakaway and score immediately after. Clown shoes PP and give up a PP goal immediately after. Bitter.

    I swear 90% of our goals are scored on the rush, including both tonight. We are dangerous on the rush, especially when a Dman jumps in. But when we get zone time, we hardly ever cash in, even on the PP. We’ve gotta start activating the D during zone time. It’s too easy to defend against us. There’s no confusion, nobody beating checks, nobody getting open. Activating the D will help the forwards score. I want to see them joining the rush more, go below the goal line, cycle with the forwards, and even posting in the crease occasionally. I don’t give a shit about odd-man rushes the other way. Let’s see some chaos!

  13. Capitals: Loss
    Lightning: They have no chance
    Panthers: possible win
    Knights: possible loss
    Jets: hahahaha
    Predators: hahahaha
    Flames: Loss
    Ducks: Loss
    Knights: possible loss
    Canadiens: possible win
    Jets: no way
    Penguins: possible win
    Jets: nope not again
    Sharks: Loss
    Preds: Loss

    So we really only have a possibility of winning the next 3 to maybe 5 of the next 15 games. Can we all agree that the Hawks are no longer in any conversation of top 3 teams in any division in the league. That means the contracts and the personnel on the team that the general manager has put together has failed. If we are still not in a playoff spot after the predators Loss can we please fire Stan Bowman. Please get a new GM move some personnel and contracts and move on from the dumpster fire. If we are supposed to accept the fact that we are no longer a top 3 team in any division I’m fine with that, but please don’t play commercials or propaganda about how we missed the playoffs fire the coach and act like magically we are going to have a team that makes the playoffs….

  14. Also totally agree with Tab’s observation that there was no retribution on Wilson. Unbelievable. I’m not an old school bloodthirsty hockey fan but man oh man. Embarrassing.

  15. Ever sincecAA was moved up to top 6 the 2nd line production has disappeared. Time to get back to what worked. Yes Schmaltz you can blame him on first goal, but at least he was back defending, his linemates were no where to be seen.
    As far as taking a hit to enter the zone when did you see Debrincat or Kahun take one to enter. Other than Saad or Toews grinding along the boards or 4th line guys dumping and chssing nobody does that much.
    Colliton was supposed to help pp and pk the results not showing yet, young guys supposed to thrive under him, not happening. Instead of the young guys playing more they are getting benched even more. Starting to wonder if he is ready for the nhl yet.

  16. I agree that the Wilson bull dozing of Crow was at the very least understated-it could have been season/career ending-and the Caps defend to a man when Holtby gets a glove to the face. But let’s fact it-that is the personality and person of the Hawks and other teams know it.
    Knox you may be right about the upcoming schedule-it may be the right time as this team needs to know if they-re pretenders (My feeling) or contenders. The GM? If Chiarelli keeps his job anything is possible in the NHL.
    The power play is the on-going definition of insanity.

  17. Good to see Saad playing like a $6 Million player. Is this a streak for him or is he truly back ?
    A loss to Tampa on Friday would pretty much erase the positive home stand.
    I’ve been harping on this now for awhile. The trade deadline should be a selloff of players to clear cap space for 7/1.
    Teams like Buffalo have a boatload of picks and might need a Center like AA or penalty killer like Kruger, defensive depth like Ruuta, flip them all.

  18. Knox’s- School of Hard Knox!

    SB- was/is the Joke- with these NTC and signs… Who u crappin

    Schmaltz- is NOT worth $6M (as Tab and I argued about year or 2 ago)… perhaps in the NBA- were a 12th man gets $5-10Mill

    but NOT the NHL

  19. Wall we can agree that he isn’t worth 6 million (in today’s NHL you have to be really careful about the upper-middle contracts) but he is one of the few people generating chances on the team. And that is worth something.
    He doesn’t shoot enough, shies away at times yes, and his smarts-let’s give him some time on that outcome, but he has wheels and ability to move with the puck in the offensive zone, two things that are valued today. Sounds like things that were said about Kuznetsov awhile back, when he was 22/23 and he has settled in nicely.
    Again he’s 22 (and his defense is sometimes undervalued)

  20. Looking for silver linings:

    1. The obvious – better draft position.
    2. Being so bad even Stanley wouldn’t be stupid enough to try a short term fix.
    3. Schmaltz requiring less Cap space for his new contract
    4. Being so unattractive that we can stop all the Panarin is coming back nonsense.
    5. And last but certainly not least – maybe the exit of Stanley.

  21. The Toews line was in the offensive zone for 40 seconds…zero SOG. ZERO!!! Trade Schmaltz while we can get something…ANYTHING for him. He’s just garbage. Anisimov is a big guy. Why isn’t he in front of the goalie? Kane should be on the 2nd line. It’s not a surprise that DeBrincat and Kane have been unremarkable since the line changing. All Bowman does is look for college and European hopeful hidden gems. How’s that working for them? It’s not. Highmore, who should have broken camp with the team is now injured. The Sikura brother? Maybe. Raddysh looks good on the D, for Rockford. I go back to a comment I made earlier in the year. Last years 4th line was the constant strength of the team. This year? The bottom 6 suck!!! We have no good centers, beyond Toews. Kane, Saad, and DeBrincat. Then??? Nothing. Anisimov should have been traded in the off season. I keep looking at Rockford for a ready 2nd Center. Nothing terribly impressive. WTF do we do with this slop? Bowman is a fucktard, the kid coach is overmatched, and the leadership amongst the players is going downhill. Kane should have an “A”. He’s earned it.
    Defensively? That’s another hot mess. The “kid coach” has the brilliant move of putting Keith and Seabrook together. STUPID!!! Hillman is better than any of the bottom 3. As is Raddysh. FIRESALE!!! Get something while we can!!! Yep. I’ve never done this before, but…it’s time. White Flag and Rebuild…except for one thing. Bowman is the one doing the deals. Fuck!!! Just…Fuck!!!

  22. Travis, yea image how good we ll be doing those things. Its like were playing with 2 plays the whole game and some other teams run 10. When were deeper roster in a yr and deep roster in 2yrs, we better be doing those things by then, when our pack is larger.

  23. The silver linings for me this year are that we have two more NHL defenseman than we started the year with (28, 42) and the nice bouncebacks from 19, 20, and 50.

    Forsling is looking decent. At one time he was touted for his offense, but he seems to be settling in to focusing on just being reliable. That said, he has a good shot – down the road, if he keeps taking care of his own end, I wouldn’t mind seeing him get a shot on the second PP unit. I think it would be a good reward for him if he can earn it.

    AA should have been moved at the draft or during the summer (at least, unlike with Sharp who Stan waited too long on and had to pay Dallas to take off our hands, we can likely give him away). Schmaltz plays with no heart. $6 million? … $3 million? how about adios if he doesn’t suck it up. I don’t agree with questioning Debrincat — we have four quality forwards and right now he is the odd man out. It’s not on him.

    I like the Fortin – Skille comparison. Was thinking same. I am pulling for Fortin to succeed but his hands are dreadful. I guess for now he stays because there is no one else, but I think Highmore deserves another look when he gets healthy.

  24. Exactly Mo. It’s like we’re running 2 plays. Just trying to maintain possession along the boards. Never dangerous. Not even close.

    Also I just figured out why you never see Drake and Corey Crawford in the same room.

  25. There is still a transition going on with the team. Notice the blind chip pass up the boards to the forward – who isn’t there? The look to the middle by the Dmen to exit the zone, but nobody is there? The forwards and Dmen are not on the same page right now to exit the zone. It appears responsibilities have changed and we are still trying to find our way to transition out of our own zone. I watched to see if we were man-to-man, but we seemed to be in some sloppy zone or really lousy man-to-man. Coverage is awful in our defensive end and the breakout is no better. We are not on the same page and not communicating. Coach C has to see that. It takes some time. Unfortunately we as fans get impatient, especially after we win a couple of games against weaker opponents.

    I am for an offensively exciting team, but right now to have the Dmen running around offensively would create even more chaos for us. Let’s figure out our defensive responsibilities and getting out of our zone, and then activate the defense. Horse and cart theory. We don’t have the fire power for shootouts, nor the speed to get back and defend. We tried chaos – ask Q how that went. I think we all can see the current chaos and none of us like it.

    In sports, when things are going well, you go back to fundamentals and relearn how the simple things are done, and create the habit again. We need fundamentals right now. Not fun for the fans, but a necessary evil to the process. Ask Edmonton about how far you get with a ton of talent and no fundamentals. Simplify and create good habits.

    This takes time and patience. Players and fans.

  26. Jordy agree on the silver linings this year.
    On Debrincat great players find ways. He is having a slump right now he will be fine. He waiting somebody to feed him the hilight reel goal, he got to go make it happen. Schmaltz the opposite, wants to set somebody up for hilight goal, seems to be shooting a bit now, things will turn around for them.

    Totally agree Wilson needed to be sent a message last night, can’t let that stuff go.

  27. Mo thats what i was saying about pp, put out top line and a couple of offensive dmen out and let them play 5 on 4 normal and create their usual way. Instead of trying to run set plays that seem to keep imploding.

  28. silent spot – i appreciate the constructive counterpoint. i agree our coverage and fundamentals need to be better. but i don’t understand how activating D in the attacking zone makes it more difficult to exit our defensive zone. nor cover man-to-man in our own zone.

    if your point is that we should put all our time and effort on improving the defensive end before the offensive end, that’s reasonable. to me it’s logistically easier to have 1 defenseman glide through the slot occasionally, set a pick, open some space than it is to get several guys coordinated on a breakout. they’re both important obviously but one seems a quicker fix than the other. but i’ve never been a coach so i could be wrong.

  29. I think Silent Spot hit the nail on the head-a team in transition (who seems to be doing the same things even with a new coach.) This is the time to be trying new things and finding out who to keep, who to let go or trade.

    There are a few teams with great depth and talent, they are the true elite of the league-Jets, Tampa etc. but a few other teams are exciting to watch-fast, relentless, hard to play against but aren’t anymore talented than the Hawks. The Hawks seem to be wanting to keep some connection to their past when they had the elite level talent and at the time the best coach in the league-times change, the Hawks need to as well.

  30. Happy T-day to everyone.

    Noonan – I agree re: time to move on – “showtime” left the building a while ago. Regarding the lack of pushback when pushed around I wish we had tried to pick up either Max Domi or Michael Ferland. I have been impressed by both as young guys with skill who don’t take any crap. To me we could really use a guy like that. Let’s give Fortin some more time before labeling him as Skille 2.0. Fortin was undrafted while Skille was top 10 pick. Fortin has generated multiple good chances in most games I have seen. Hopefully his shooting percentage will improve as he gets more comfortable playing at this level.

  31. Silent i hope your right but playing 2,7,19,88 half the game some players only 2 or 3 minutes says to me that is the look of someone with alot of pressure to win now. Doesn’t make me see a patient transition happening, however time will tell how it all plays out.

  32. Go back and look at the 06-07 roster, aging veterans, no name players and struggling coaches. Then we got an infusion of hope- Toews and Kane, a long term signing of Hossa and some pieces that started to work together! What we had was HOPE- the. Coach Q helped lead them to 3 Stanley Cups- hope turns to magic! But managing a roster reconfiguration in a salary cap era with superstars commanding financial recognition for their phenomenal success Requires a different skill set and some luck- we have had neither in SB, or McDonough for that matter. Sure, change the coach but you still can’t make chicken soup out of chicken shit so let’s get this overhaul re-thought out carefully so we can have HOPE once again! I’d rather watch a young exciting, fast, fearless bunch of guys than the aging roster now in play. Accept that as in 06-07, 5 guys can’t consume over 50% of the payroll, if the team wants to win! Please Rocky, start thinking of the fans again!

  33. Hope with Toews and Kane came because they were the third and first picks in the draft so if you want that hope again we should sell off Toews and Kane and CC as well as Keith and Seabrook and spend a few years getting high draft picks

    That’s tough pill for a to of fans to swallow – I’m guessing a lot of fans won’t be showing up to the games at that point which is why they’re reluctant to do it

    Besides I think there’s reason to believe the Hawks can contend again in maybe even 2 years depending on who they can move (like AA/Murphy) and who they can sign as UFAs and who they draft

    This is the pain you get for 3 Stanley Cups – it’s not so bad really

  34. Sikura, Raddysh and Highmore…. He is a 6th round lightweight college kid who is just as afraid to go into corners as the Cat and Kahun.
    The other two, as usual 32 teams passed on drafting them yet Bowman signs them. Fire Bowman before he screws it up and trades Kane to Buffalo.

  35. You just ‘wrapped’ things up nicely-Pain is very acceptable when you get three Cups. Time to move in a smart direction-not putting fingers in the dike to try to recapture the old glory with the aging core.
    How can you not be patient if they do this right?

  36. Wrap, I think were top team again in 2yrs. Some other top teams wont be as deep/cap and theres not that many/TB/NAS/WIN.

    To keep 19/88/50/20 and 2 and trade the others and add those high end ufas. Need our high end picks as well. Were back. When we get there thow better be doing what Travis and Ian said.

    I donot think we have to trade everyone and dream for a 19 or 88 let alone both. EDM got one didn’t get another with like 5 top 5 picks, TOR got one, BUF got one. Noones getting two, except us. Our Organization is still tops and must be thinking samething we are about this. That has to be why we signed the ufas last yr and this yr we did. In order to draft two high end players and have loads of space to add who and when we can/available. Because anything else doesn’t make sense.

  37. Morrison: Do you really think that only Chicago have good prospects on the way?
    What about the teams that have finished in the bottom five the last five years?
    I’m sure there are lots of teams with prospects that could compare with the Hawks prospects.
    Edmonton got one didn’t get another…Are you serious ?
    I assume Connor Mcdavid was the one you are speaking of.
    You must have forgot about…Taylor Hall… You know the guy that was MVP last year.

  38. Noonan, thanks for the update. Meantime Oliver Wahlstrom is having a miserable time at Boston College and is supposedly leaving, hmmm

  39. Craig, I know that it’s really early, Do you remember how many hawk fans were absolutely pissed when Wahlstrom was not picked by Chicago?

    Playing with Jack Hughes last year obviously helped make Wahlstrom look better.

  40. Wrap agree the intent is to be a contender with the core again first, before tanking a few years for high picks to build around again. There is a real opportunity next summer to make some significant signings to go along with development. Writing off young players for the who can be part future only 20 games into a season is silly. This season is obviously for developing and gauging what young players on the roster stay and what the rfa caphit will be, by next summer will have a much better picture of what that is going to look like for a few years and what prospects will be making the roster and when too. Hopefully this years pick is a reel game changer for the future,

  41. I am hoping for the Four Horsemen and 42 to be good. We could have something brewing with the D. Just like NAS.

  42. Taylor Hall was the first pick overall in the 2010 NHL entry draft selected by the Edmonton Oilers.

    He was one of those like 5 top 5 picks picks that Edmonton had that didn’t turn out.

    Does anyone think New Jersey would trade Taylor Hall straight up for Jonathan Toews today?

  43. Your right about what your saying.
    I donot have anything against Hall.
    I geuss I look at it as McD and Hall didn’t win a Cup in their first few yrs and follow that up with basically 3 Cup in a row a couple yrs later. EDM f d that up. That’s not Halls fault. Cups arnt only factor and teams were diff as well.

    When I was referring to was when the players were same age/time in career, as well though.

  44. To me its guys like/are the top generational players
    Lindstrom
    Keith
    Toews
    Kane
    Crosby
    McDavid

    and these guys are top players/generational, just not best of the best
    Matthews (to early)
    Liane
    Hall
    other like these

  45. Travis – I am with you on creating some more offense. We are dreadful to watch when our top line isn’t on the ice, not to mention most every power play. Certainly getting the Dmen involved makes sense and was working early on in the season. My problem is that our forwards don’t cover very well for the defense and yes, we get way too many odd man breaks. This wasn’t a big problem when we had experienced guys on the back line. In my opinion, Seabrook is one of the best in the game on covering 2 on 1 rushes. Face it – with Keith being the offensive weapon he used to be, it left Seabrook in a bad spot frequently. But those days are over for the team – we just don’t have the experience back there to cover for our goalies. I have always felt bad for Crow being hung out to dry half a dozen times a game. I fear we do more damage to our younger Dmen by putting them in situations to fail. I guess the sweet spot for me would be to get the forwards better at covering the point and protecting a Dman who jumped into the offensive zone play. Unfortunately, we have a lot of learning to do there too!

    The chaos of the first 10 games was fun to watch, and very different from a Hawk fan’s point of view. It’s kind of like the Bears now. Unfortunately we couldn’t keep the puck out of the net, and we couldn’t blame it on our goalies!

  46. Aside from them possibly being burned out by Colliton, I don’t think anyone can complain about Toews, Kane, and now Saad at this point. And even with DeBrincat’s slowdown, the guy’s still already got 9 goals. So the team itself is kind of a half full / half empty scenario. The defense has been a little bit better in terms of the dreadful turnovers. The compete level overall though is still somewhat lacking on a consistent basis. And, the guys who can play physical, like Saad, have to start laying in a few hits. Not too many …. don’t go crazy …. but at least add it to their repertoire at the right selected time. I know easier said than done.

    Which brings me to Fortin. Agree totally that his hands just seem terrible but the speed is there. He is reminding us of Skille and/or Viktor Stalberg. Plenty of speed but not a lot of finish.

    So a question for those who may know more about hockey development than me; Can the kind of dedicated skill work with proven outside coaches that Toews and Kane, even at this stage of their careers, went through this past off-season help turn Fortin around? Is it too late for him to pick up the ability to get those heavy passes and convert, pick up rebounds and put them toward the net, finish breakaways more nimbly, etc. etc. He’s awful young.

    Just wondering ……

  47. And, by the way, I’ll put in a Thanks to Tab and this board. I really like the insights and different ideas on here. Yeah, we get overboard, me included, but it’s good interesting stuff.

  48. Craig i remember saying some scouts questioned Wahlstroms committment before the draft. Maybe there is something to it.

  49. I don’t think it’s too late for Fortin to become a consistent goal scorer although never a prolific goal scorer. That is a gift I think but a lot of goals can be scored on rebounds or tip ins, being in the right place at the right time and even if Fortin were to slow down a little when he has a scoring chance I think he would have more success because he has a better shot than he’s demonstrated so far IMO

    Hopefully he shows some progression in these area by year’s end because like everyone else I love his speed and he works hard as well

  50. Wrap i’d like to see Fortin as an ideal bottom 6 buzz saw on the wing, Soderlund on the other wing and a big mobile shutdown center like Entwistle in the middle. Be a big upgrade on the current bottom 6 lines we are seeing.

  51. Mo I think there are three lists-
    stars
    super stars
    generational talent-way over used, if there is any discussion not on this list.

    Crosby for sure, probably McDavid (3 to 5 more years of what he is doing)
    Guys like Kane and Lindstrom are close, but cases to be made for both lists
    Orr Gretkzy Lemieux no debate

  52. We need some grit on this team,.,.,who brings that ??? or…..who`s coming down the pipe line .Opposing teams continue to take liberties ,.,.with our goalie ,.,.in our barn ,.,.,That needs to addressed just as much as secondary scoring i.m.o.

  53. Ian – I think it’s just a breather mentally for Joki – I expect him back in the line up regularly by next game or game after

  54. Wrap probably so, just Collitons claim to fame was the young guys would know where they stand and play. Hayden under 3 mins then benched. Veterans would have to earn playing time and not be playing crazy mins like Q. Just not what was advertised.

  55. Olofsson- 2 g’s , 1a
    Barratt- leading College scoring… another 1g,1a
    Kurashev- 2g’s ( me loves Kurashev)

    Hawks- snooze!!!!

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