Blackhawks Come Up Short In Overtime, Lose To Kings

The future of the Chicago Blackhawks began in Los Angeles on Saturday night. Kirby Dach and Adam Boqvist, the team’s top choice in the last two NHL Drafts, were in the lineup for the first time together.

And, after the Hawks put it on the Kings last weekend, it seemed like a good opportunity to get the kids some run against a struggling team.

Brent Seabrook and Zack Smith also got back into the lineup for Chicago as the Hawks looked to put an ugly performance in Nashville in the rear view mirror.

Well, the first five minutes were far from what the Blackhawks hoped for.

Kyle Clifford scored a bad goal at 2:50 and Matt Roy scored at 4:29 to give the Kings a quick 2-0 lead. To make matters worse, the officials pulled Corey Crawford off the ice after the second goal. He got hit in the mask by a shot earlier in the period and did not track either of the two goals well; the concussion spotter apparently notified the on-ice officials that he needed a moment in a quiet place.

Robin Lehner entered the game and LA got a power play opportunity with Slater Koekkoek in the box. Lehner made a few big saves on the PK and the Hawks survived, holding the Kings at two goals.

Adrian Kempe returned the favor and headed to the box eight minutes into the first period and Crawford returned from the room. On the power play Dominik Kubalik, who was originally drafted by the Kings, scored to cut the lead in half.

Dach and Alex Nylander were credited with assists on the Kubalik goal.

Eight minutes later Jack Campbell made an incredible save on a nice Jonathan Toews shot attempt. Moments after that, however, Campbell wandered out of his net too far and got caught. Kubalik picked his pocket and David Kampf scored the easiest goal of his life.

At the end of one period of play the Blackhawks and Kings were tied at one in spite of Chicago using both goaltenders and being out-shot 17-12. After being on the receiving end of a terrible defensive performance in Nashville that saw the Preds put more than 50 shots on net, allowing 17 to the Kings in the first was not a good sign.

Of course Jeremy Colliton probably shouted and screamed about the 17 shots on net during the first intermission.

So the Blackhawks came out and got out-shot 18-8 in the second. The entire period was played without a penalty.

Neither team scored in the second. So the score remained tied in spite of the Kings holding a 35-20 shot advantage.

In a game that felt like a “next goal wins” scenario it was the Kings that broke through with their third goal first. Dustin Brown, who has lost a step, easily skated past Andrew Shaw and put an easy pass across the crease to Michael Amadio who tapped in the goal. Koekkoek would up on his ass after Amadio scored.

It was an ugly goal that’s perfectly emblematic for the issues the team is dealing with this season. Bad defensive play and terrible awareness on the ice leading to easy opportunities.

Crawford left the ice again, this time for an extra skater, with 2:48 left in regulation.

With the net empty, Jonathan Toews sniped home a tying goal with 99 seconds left in regulation. Toews was open on the far side of the ice from where Patrick Kane had the puck. There were six skaters – not including the goaltender – between Kane and Toews but 88 threaded the needle perfectly.

The horn sounded at the end of regulation with the score tied at three. Los Angeles out-shot the Blackhawks 45-24 in regulation; Lehner stopped all five shots he faced.

In regulation, Boqvist skated 13:24 with three hits and one blocked shot. Dach skated 7:29 with one assist and one hit. Why Dach was limited to 11 shifts in regulation is a terrific question. If the Blackhawks are committed to him being with the team the rest of the season, why is he not getting more run? Especially against a Kings team that isn’t quick up and down the ice?

Boqvist was the first defenseman to replace Duncan Keith in overtime, however.

With about 40 seconds left in regulation Nylander got a loose puck and exploded up the ice. He and Alex DeBrincat had a 2-on-none attempt with just the goaltender to beat and Nylander did his best Viktor Stalberg impression. No dice.

But the Kings came back the other way with a 2-on-1 of their own. Crawford made a terrific initial save but didn’t realize the puck had slipped through his equipment and rested a few inches out of the net. Drew Doughty took advantage, tapping in the game-winning goal with 16 seconds left in OT.

A crappy performance and ugly overtime appropriately ends with the Hawks losing.

Crawford played well between the second and fourth goals for the Kings. He made 40 saves, which is far too many.

The final shot totals were 49-27 in favor of the Kings. The Chicago Blackhawks have now allowed 100 shots on net in two (2) games.

104 thoughts on “Blackhawks Come Up Short In Overtime, Lose To Kings

  1. I don’t chime in on here often , usually just read . Hawks look scared , very little net front presence . Im not sure about DCat , he is a feisty little player , but easily pushed off the puck . Sure hard to watch this team the last few weeks . I agree with many people on here that JC , does not have the ” room ” .

  2. EriK Haula, Ryan Dzingel, Brett Connolly were all available before the season started.
    Of course, last season David Perron was available as well as James Neal. ALL PROVEN NHLERS and a couple of CUP winners.
    With this roster, the Hawks get outshot every game. So whomever is in goal, and we have two millionaires in nets, does change the flaw in this team, no serious & talented depth at forward the position.
    .

  3. The Hawks again were manhandled all over the ice.They were losing every race to the puck and the battle at the puck.They again could not string together more than 2 passes on any line,the zone coverage was horrifying,and now they are not hitting anyone.Strome,DeBrincat,Shaw,and Smith were non existent for the most part.Can DeHaan hit the net with a shot?And all of this against the worst of the West.Man is this depressing.

  4. Kings completely outplayed them. Sloppy and uninspired most of the game. Think we got look at the good and bad of Nylander, he showed his elite skill and speed and then showed he has F___ all between the ears.

  5. 40 shots against anit good enough, we want to have that after 2nd. Going for 50ish shots, even better.

    Nothing more anybody can say after NAS that hasnt been said.

  6. If the Hawks spend more time in the O-zone, they’ll give up fewer shots. Hey Jeremy get to work on that…SHEESH?

  7. Hawks no doubt deserved to lose – it seems they only play with urgency once they fall behind – the latter half of the first period they looked pretty good scoring two goals and tying it up 2-2 but after that they seemed to sit back and again not carry the play until they wee down 3-2

    However I thought there were positives – Toews looked better and overall I like that line with 20 and 92

    Overall 27 had a good game despite the rookie mistake in OT to make a blind pass to the front of the net – held his own defensively and is a magician with the puck – already a better passer than anyone not named Kane on the team

    Nylander IMO continues to play well – he flubbed the 2 on 0 in OT but his game overall was a good one

    And Dach had a nice move on PP for an assist and I think deserves more TOI – in fact when JC finally finally finally put 64 – 22-15 together and 88 with 12-17 that left Dach with 65 – 8 which as a line I thought would get more ice time but 77 hardly touched the ice in the 3rd even when trailing 3-2 – I don’t get it – JC trying to be too cute again

    77,92, and 17 are three of the good things about this team – play them!

    92 and 27 had the best OT chances even though they didn’t score

    Maybe seeing Boqvist play well will kick Gus’ ass – being scratched seem to help Seabrook be improved

  8. Oh and I forgot to mention that JC decided to play 22 in OT but not 77 – sorry that doesn’t pass the smell test IMO

  9. Final score: AHLers 2 NHLers 1.

    Sit Dcat. Tired of his lazy ass passing and play. He’s been watching Kane too much.

    Good luck to Robin on Sunday. He’s gonna need it.

  10. @Ian – I don’t think with Nylander it’s so much a case of having F___ All between the ears (it doesn’t after all take much brain power to make a nice pass to a wide open teammate on a 2 on 0) – I think it’s rookie nerves and that the moment overwhelmed him a bit – you don’t need a high IQ to over come that – repetition and experience more than anything will fix that

    When he gets his reps in I think he’ll be a good player in this league

  11. Colliton’s system is not working. Most of the roster is struggling immensely with it. Dach plays how much? Everything is a f***ing joke.

    Either change the system or…
    FIRE COLLITON!

    (Or wait til the Sharks fire Deboer. Hes a really good coach.)

  12. Even though its LA, you can see the difference with having a few young wave guys in. More to come of that.

    Just wait until these guys get settled in and then established. Lots of upside coming our way from the blue chips.

    Wrap, thought same on good things from those.

  13. when the consequences of losing are not apparent, you are sure to be right where this organization is

  14. The old guys on this team for the most part are washed up. This roster right now cannot compete in the new NHL. Thanks Blowman You’re a shadow of your old man. What system do we have from this coaching staff. What is our game plan? Do we have an identity?

  15. It completely baffles me that Toews had a career year production-wise last season and Kane & DeBrincat joined him with 40+ goals.
    We all know the broken record/dead horse of the defense.
    However, wtf is going on with the forwards? Granted, its difficult to get SOG if you’re playing half the game in your own end.
    But even when they do have the puck, they *all* act like they have no clue what to do with it….? Like its the Ice Capades instead of hockey.
    Single digit SOG for all that talent is mind boggling.
    I would think that muscle memory/natural instincts would eventually take over even if “the system” is bad? I don’t know, I’m just throwing stuff out there.
    Also, JC was behind the bench for the majority of the season last year and they didn’t stink this royally.
    What freaking gives??
    Ugh.

  16. Dach’s lack of TOI is because he has taken a pounding (maybe)
    Agree that JC has lost the room.
    Nylander has more upside than Stalberg ever had.
    Boqvist looked pretty good considering the circumstances.
    JC….You have a better team (at least on paper), WTF?
    There is a lack of passion and chemistry that needs to be fixed…..and that starts with the Core.

  17. This teams passing is atrocious. And that’s not on coaching. Lookiing at everybody but especially Debrincat.

    Boqvist bad a pretty solid defensive game for the most part.

  18. Wrap I also support that Nylander has, for the most part, been one of the better surprises (other than 8).
    He looks flat footed at times, doing the circles, like his brother, but he has looked much better than I though on the forecheck and stripping pucks from the opposition. He’s working. Plus he does have that God given talent.
    He deserves a real chance as the talent level on this team isn’t overwhelming.

    I do agree that D-cat looks less than stellar so far-but this team needs a natural scorer. They are hard to come by.

    Getting outplayed by a team with more holes then the Hawks is telling and it is either ability, lack of desire to play a certain way or the wrong system. Or a bit of each.

  19. If JC “system” allows for a 100 shots on goal in 2 games the “system” and its developer have to go. M Crawford? WTH is management thinking? Why bring cruddy and unproven coaches for a core that won 3 Cups? Makes no sense!

  20. This team obviously doesn’t want to play for this coach. Looks like the veteran players have tuned him out, never seen Kane so uninspired. Change behind the bench has to be made soon hell it might be to late already.

  21. Even if Toews hadn’t scored he looked better, although he really blew a chance to clear the puck on one PK. It was as if he did not have awareness that you have to move fast. Hopefully we don’t have to be on Toews watch the rest of the year wondering if he will play well on any given night. I am guessing we won’t.

    Given Crawford’s history, it was not inappropriate to have a look at him after the ding on the mask. He did not look right on the second goal. He was tremendous the rest of the game. Lehner was great for the 5 shots he faced. But your goalies can’t be under assault like this every night with 50 shots per game coming at them.

    As this game progressed, it was obvious that this is a really bad team right now. Nothing flows smoothly. There were a couple of occasions where Hawks players almost ran in to each other.

    Do not understand 7 minutes for Dach, unless it was concern over the pounding he took. But if he’s that fragile, that is a problem. I don’t think he is and don’t think that was it. Why did Nylander only play 9 minutes in Nashville the other night? You are trying to develop young players. He couldn’t have been playing any worse than the rest of the team in Nashville. It was a shame he butchered that 2 on 0 last night but he really has a lot of promise. DeBrincat looked awful trying to get the puck out of his zone, but had a couple decent shots on goal. For right now, DeBrincat needs to be one dimensional and just snipe as he can’t seem to do anything else. His snipes aren’t going in, but they will if he shoots enough of them. With regard to Dach and Nylander, is Colliton adopting the Q doghouse?

    They are really close to having to declare a total rebuild. I would give it a few more games now that Colliton is using some lines that make sense. The question then becomes whether you want Colliton leading the rebuild. A good case could be made that he needed a little time to season. Has enough time passed? I know the answer from most on this site.

    It was encouraging that the PK did not let anything go in. LA had a couple PPs where most of the time was spent in the Hawks zone. But nothing went in, so let’s declare victory on that front. Enjoyed the new look on the PP. They took the puck to the net, and what do you know? One went in.

    Anybody miss Gus?

  22. Noonan not disagreeing on Nylander speed and natural talent. Telling last night in ot about his thinking though when he used his skill and speed to steal puck, breakaway in free, with absolutely no intention of try to score ot goal, instead looking behind him from directly in front of net, trying to pass back to Debrincat who was had defenseman on him. Don’t deny what he can do but that was a plain dumb hockey play. Remember when Schmaltz passed at least to someone who was open, everybody wanted to run him out.

  23. Its those things and what ever part is on the players, they wouldnt play like that, when its a system that they believe in. Do not think its anything to do with the coach, just the system being abused. For what ever reason it doesnt work with the players enough to believe in it, so thats what you have.

    There is no way the FW can go from top 5, even when in a slump or something or sch or anything, to that. Impossible. The shape of this system piece doesnt fit, grap another and put it in the hole.

  24. Crawford was still in central time, not ready to start the game, very bad 1st 2 goals and the OT goal was bad, why didn’t he look behind him instead of just sitting there ? Lehner should get the bulk of games….as for the rest of the team, well, another poor example of D zone, neutral zone coverage, can’t talk of O zone since they rarely spent any time there. But as a whole this team is lack luster, poor execution, poor effort, and yes quote obvious they do not want to play for this coaching staff. BUT…..on the flip side, you have players making ALOT of salary, how about some pride in your play, vets have rookies watching, what message does that send to them that you can mail it in and play like a bunch of schmucks….hey rookie, check me out….do as I say not as I do….right. I believe the Hawks, NJ and OTT will fight for #31 in the league and #1 pick…..stay tuned folks.

  25. Days agree, have to take care of the neutral zone and the other 2 zones improve as a result. That comes with more inspired play, which really have to question whether that happens with this coach.

  26. Robs – good summary and Gus was definitely not missed.

    HossaHawk – I believe we are currently the worst team in the league. Not just because of our record but by the way we have been completely dominated in so many games. Without the premier goaltending we have received we would have lost several games by five goals or more.

    We can’t keep talking about the “system” – it just can’t be an excuse nearly one year into this circus.

    Although we had no right to win that game why was Nylander not on the ice in OT until the last minute? He is clearly the fastest forward yet we send out Carpenter. If we have weak efforts today and in San Jose there has to be a coaching change – right??

  27. Love how 92 protected the puck, without actually doing that, when he drove the ice. The other player was side by side and then he drove, like Saader did in 2013 2014 2015 and exploded by in the way that he was in clear enough. He shoots or move shot if we do not have another player there. Too much on that for your own good. Seems like everytime other teams have that they score and we do not even get shot on half of those.

    Just timing when were trying to play this way, its messing up lots of other things. We need new system after Q but instead of taking enough time to learn the ranch rules and thought we already did past yr 30-82? How do you start going into each other. That is not working.

    Enough time to me is 20 games, because of a few things. Like Roman said 40 or 30 games. Has to be at least 20. Somewhere in there would be plenty. Thing is though if we already went through pledging past yr 30-82 why are we pledging again. Only the new guys are pledges.

  28. Its the system, we didnt ever do 50 shots when we went 3-16 past yr. When you go 25/30-15 once getting used to it, even with a bad Defense and not full roster. Then you add several good players in summer. Black and white. Have to have a system that is good on Defense and we have lots of good OFF players.

    PK is good this yr, other then a few lopsided games when it wasnt. Overall its good this yr. That is having a full roster and role players for those spots. Its back to where it should be.

    Now the players need to play this system to a T or get out and get a new system. It doesnt matter what it shows rookies and stuff, and I agree with what your saying. Its about being on the same page and not sure if anybody is other then Lehner and Crow. Just imagine how good the goalie are going to look when we actually ‘play’ a system the players will partake in.

  29. Only watched the first 2 periods because it was boring hockey. It was dump the puck in and watch LA break out no problem. Dcat is terrible in his own end on the off wing and never seen Kane look so uninspired. There is nothing more to say that has not already been mentioned. It’s going to be a very long yr.

  30. Days – you may well be right about fighting for #31 if they leave JC behind the bench

    Also despite CC’s performance after the 1st 2 goals those 1st 2 were stinkers

    Lehner has clearly been the better goalie – hopefully he will start to get the majority of the starts

    Wonder if we’ll see Gus today for KK – he could help move the puck and create some O if he’s playing like he can – put him on 3rd pair with 6

  31. ROBS, you and I both noticing Toews blowing an easy clear on the PK. About the worst he ever looked.

    Since last season, Hull65 and I have saying that Strome is slow and unable to keep up. He contributed nothing last night. Almost always beaten to the puck. Strome immediately passes the puck because he cannot skate and stick-handle at the same time. Worthless in his own zone. Arizona got the better of this trade with Schmaltz. Would trade Strome for a mid-2nd rounder, if possible.

    Even when Hawks beat LA 5-1 last Sunday they were outplayed most of the game. Lehner is making up for the terrible team in front of him. It’s still very early, but right now the Hawks are a bottom three team. No way this team will make the playoffs. Anyone over age 27 should be on the table.

    On a brighter note, am liking what I see with 92. Has good offensive tools. Needs to work on fighting for the puck. Hopefully, this will come with time.

  32. Does anyone on this board NOT like their boss? If so, do you go to work and stand at the water cooler all day because you don’t like that person? How long have you done it and when do you think your boss will be fired? And even more – do you make millions of $$ each year and get told you are awesome all the time by millions of people?

    It’s always easiest to fire the coach – it gets done in most sports when a team quits. We did that once last year – it was months late as that team had quit a long time ago. Remember Toronto? Shanahan listened to the team and fired a coach, got a replacement the players wanted, and the team fell from a playoff probable to the bottom of the league. Then Shanahan informed the world that things were gonna change, and that was it for those vets, even the beloved ones.

    So who do you want for coach? Has he ever been fired before becoming our coach because he didn’t win or his players quit on him? Every name mentioned here so far has been fired, so they too are losers like this one. Why are they better?

    I’m not defending JC, but the last 40 games of the past season says that it isn’t all him that is the problem. Sometimes you have to fire the team, or a piece of it to wake the others up.

    I hope the next coach we get makes Mike Keenan look like a player’s coach. The leadership on this team – and I am talking players – need a good ass-kicking. Let the quitters move on and bring me 12 forwards and 6 Dmen that are proud to be NHL level and want to play for their own pride and each other. The coach runs the team, not the players. Players are employees working for a boss.

    Right now, the buggy is pulling the horse around. That never ends well.

  33. Very simple to me watching Hawks TRYING to play Hockey… The Forwards are Not back checking in neutral zone.
    The Hawks Are all Watching the puck and NOT covering THEIR MAN. Thats the Only Way you give up 50 shots… “Running Around like chickens with no heads”.
    Kane SHOULD COVER and neutralize opponents LEFT POINTMAN, also would be person to pass to for breakout pass—- he always ICE CAPADING all around..
    (as an example). When that happens.. NO ONE is in shooting lanes…

  34. Just curious. How many people would want Babcock fired in Toronto – assuming you would be a Maple Leafs fan? All that talent and they can’t even win a playoff round.

  35. Silent Spot, GREAT ASSESSMENT on the Correct “READ” into Core players ROTTING HERE… More Koolaid drinking from fans…. FIRED Q cause they QUIT on Him… Now fire JC for Same reason? Name the NEW COACH they Will play for.
    Seabrook,”I AM playing well”… Oh Really?

  36. I would say we need to do both. Some players and system. Q was at different places a few times before winning a dynasty here.

  37. Colliton constantly makes questionable decisions. We see it. Pretty damn sure the players see it too.

    Kampf centering Kane?
    Dach playing 7 minutes?
    Carpenter playing in OT?
    Crawford starting in net?

    I had a boss who made poor decisions. He slowly lost the office. The work started to suffer. Morale was down. Employees started calling in sick. Bad habits started to flourish. It became ‘me’ instead of ‘we’. And then they finally fired the boss when our office became one of the worst in Western Canada and worse yet we were losing clients.

    Keep a close watcb on fan attendance this year. Dach and Boqvist were brought in only for that reason. Fans wont care if the team still stinks and if empty seats start to happen and the sellouts dont occur then I promise you…change will frickin happen.

  38. Obviously, the addition of M Crawford to the coaching staff has simply made things worse. Brookbank ?????????????????????????????

  39. Marc Crawford going from last seasons Senators mess to this one must be thinking deja vu.

    I believe hes in charge of the PK btw.

  40. I have attended one home game this year. 4 of us went at $20 UNDER face for each of the tickets. I feel for the seller. I doubt he/she gets more than that in the near future.
    They were bought on the exchange, so I gotta believe the Hawks get a piece of that transaction. Think about it – they sold 4 tickets twice!! They get hurt less than you may think.

    But overall, yes. When fans stop showing up, it will get noticed. But that still doesn’t change the question – Who is the problem? How many coaches get hired and fired before the guys getting paid start to at least ATTEMPT to perform? Based on the comments I’ve been reading, it isn’t just me that feels the effort sucks from the leaders on this team.

    I’ve worked for some really bad bosses. But I still TRY to do my job, not just go through the motions. The less the core tries, the more divided the clubhouse and less likely we see the kind of hockey we deserve, considering the money those core players are making.

    I can handle a bad team. I can’t handle bad effort and pouting.

  41. Doesn’t matter who starts in net, Lehner would haver lost the game yesterday as well. GM paying him all that cash when the real need is power forwards with skill and speed. Dzingel, Haula, Perron, James Neal, Connolly all would have been real NHL additions, not these cheap unproven players like Kampf, Kubalik, Cagg, etc..
    Easy on Boqvist, Gus is an amazing puck handling dman and great passer.
    And I agree, Bowman acted like Jerry Jones firing Jimmy Johnson, when he fired Coach Q. He goes out and gets a pet coach with no NHL experience to coach a 3 time cup champion so he can show everyone he can build a team and win a cup? Really, with his drafting (especially from rounds 2-7) and trades that are pathetic!!!
    Bowman should have been fired and a GM that Coach Q respected would have been the answer. Imagine, we would still have Panarin and the HAMMER!
    Not someone who fired the coach’s best friend…or like DADDY who got Tallon fired as well for an accounting fax mistake that his son made not Dale. No one wants to come to Chicago especially if they have to deal with the Bowmans.
    This coach has benched Toews, Seabs, Gus and Kane already. Who does he think he is? Seriously!
    And about his great Swedish Div.2 system that he applies with his new assistant with no NHL experience from Sweden as well, all you need to do is listen to Kane’s interview a couple of days ago and I quote,” the new system takes time, but at some point you have to start wondering…” LOVE IT, thx Kane! How many rings does Colliton have? How many NHL goals does he have? How many games has he played? Joke!

    And just another reminder SAAD, DCAT, DACH, SHAW and BOQVIST are the only players on this roster than Bowman has drafted in 10 years.
    Wow, to think Florida picked up Connolly from the Caps and we gave Carpenter a 3 year deal and traded for Zach Smith??? Haula has goals, Connolly 5! Dzingel 7!
    Perlini for a 3rd round slow skating prospect on defence? Hmmm, I thought we already have 4 gems that Mr. Santa Claus Bowman drafted…well 3 now because Joku is in Buffalo playing big minutes. And if you think Boqvist will ever get 61 points in a season like Gus , you are dreaming.
    Florida looking good already!

    20 19 88
    12 17 92
    8 77 65
    15 64 22

  42. How did we go from being a so called playoff team this summer because of the moves Bowman made to this (start the rebuild) in less than 2 months of hockey. I have said many times Bowman should go . Unfortunately nothing is going to happen until Rocky feels it in the wallet. Shaw 7 minutes of ice time ,over 3 mil. Smith 7 minutes , over 3 mil in salary.

  43. Why Brookbank? I don’t know the real reason, but I would guess that his rapport with players in Rockford was the building block for it. Management must have felt that was a good relationship and he could bring that to the table with the kid Dmen/players coming up.

    Is anyone close enough to the team/players to really know how they feel about him? I ask that seriously, because at times it appears we have some ‘inside’ info that hits the board.

  44. Silent Spot–I hear you. I try to do my job too but sadly if you have 20 people in a workplace they don’t all feel the same way. They just don’t. Its no different on a hockey team.

  45. I read ‘If not Colliton, then who?’

    I already mentioned DeBoer of San Jose. If that guy gets the can you hire him. He’s a damn good coach and has the resume to prove it. He’s a winner and the players on the Sharks have said publicly don’t fire him. But if they keep losing…you know Doug Wilson will.

    Stanbo is lucky he’s got his dad as a senior advisor and his dad’s buddy, Barry Smith as director of player evaluation. Makes it even harder to remove his ass out of there.

  46. Coaching always looks good WHEN Players are Playing Good. When Core players are Rotting… Coaches fault…. “ Not my Fault” society… lmfao.
    Go Hawks !

  47. They are bad. It can’t get much worse. Might be good to move a few guys. Crawford? Maybe a contender needs a goalie that has won. Assuming he can be moved. Maybe move another name from the championship years. Get what they can now.

  48. What can a good coach do? Just look at Barry Trotz on the New York Islanders. Implemented his system and now look at them.

    What can a bad coach do? Just look at Jeremy Colliton on the Chicago Blackhawks. Players running around with their heads cut off not knowing where to go.

    This years system btw is not the same as last years. They did a ton of run n gun last season starting in January because they realized they had no choice (Colliton even said this) which made the games fun many times but defense went out the door. This worked great for Gus because he’s all aboot the run n gun. This year tho….they implanted more defense and suddenly the offense got lost. Who’s fault is that then?!

  49. Barry Smith, Scotty Bowman, Pierre Gauthier, what is the average age of this guys, 80? This is 2019! And fire Mark Kelley just for drafting a Belgium soccer goalie a few years ago???Joke! Oh yeah, Anthony Louis as well!!!!
    Seriously, fire them all. Evaluation of player development? Not good! Pro Scout? Horrible? Amateur scout? Not good enough? GM? What has he actually done in a 10 year career? All I can think of is Panarin but then all those bonuses and trading him cancels that out! Get Deboer and Wilson together and their amateur scouts! Or get Mark Hunter from London as Gm and Dale Hunter as coach!

  50. Btw….this is offtopic but that’s never stopped me before. :)

    Last night I watched some of the Bos/Ott game and saw the Sabourin collision with Backes. It was extremely scary to see Sabourin laying so still and the stress and worry on Backes face was very genuine and was the first time I saw him on the ice not act like he usually does. I truly felt for Backes as much as Sabourin.

    After Sabourin was carted off, the camera showed Backes back on the bench getting ‘its okay’ pats on his back. But you could see his eyes starting to really welt up and then he stood up and went to the dressing room where I’m almost certain he went to cry.

    Amazing to see him in that light since I always hated his guts when he played for St Louis.

  51. The difference it seems between the latter half of last year and this year is that JC didn’t have time last year to implement his ‘system’ so the Hawks played run and gun and the stars bought in – there was little to no D but the effort was there

    This year there has been a training camp with JC and the time to implement his ‘system’ and it seems to have suffocated the offence and the veteran players, at least, aren’t buying in – the effort seems to only come in spurts

    Is Stan too attached to his decision to hire JC to make a coaching change? What will it take before he makes a coaching change? Will the season already be lost by the time he makes a coaching change if he does at all? – these are the questions we’re faced with and no answers.

  52. This is going to get a lot worse.77 and 27 are in the lineup against men way too soon.They will not hold up to the NHL Schedule.Looks like 88 has checked out and the big contract for d-cat was a little premature.This team does not have the roster to play this coaches system.The run and gun style is the only way they can go given their lack of size and hardness on the puck.Shaw,Smith,Strome,Koo Koo,and Crawford should be permanent spectators and moved at the deadline.Unfortunately the coaching change wont happen till the off season.They just gave Bowman a new contract so the only way out is to kick him upstairs to Daddys position.Have the feeling that Mc Arrogants input is relegated to what Bobble Head or hat is being handed out for promotions and how to hide those pending empty seats.Until then we are all going to have to suffer together.Some really good Hockey people on this site.Enjoy all of your posts.

  53. Maybe all of you should apply for the coaching and management positions with the Blackhawks. Couldn’t be any worse than what it is right now, or could it?
    HOF coach for JC? Really? JC no assistant coaching in the NHL. What makes him so privileged to jump to the head of the line as a head coach? I haven’t seen it yet! If he’s supposed to be better with the youngsters than Q was, I’m not seeing it yet! This is all on Bowman and JM. I don’t believe Rocky will stand for this much longer especially if this team doesn’t make playoffs this season and profits begin to fall!

  54. The worst off-season move Bowman made was re-acquiring Shaw. At the time I wrote this was too high a price:

    1. Concussion history
    2. $3.9M thru 21/22 season
    3. Give up 2nd rd pick in 2020 and 3rd rd in 2021

    Desperate move by Bowman, trying to save his job.

    Bring Dach along slowly and don’t push him with large minutes. Turns 19 in January. Going to be a great pick.

  55. Keith is older and isn’t the player he was 5 or 1o years ago, probably. He can still play at a high level, to compare him to what he was it’s only fair to compare who he has been playing with. Now he is baby sitting the future of the blueline in Boqvist, Murphy seemed to be a good fit and it showed in their play, Gus last season, enough said. Jokiharju played well with him early last year but another baby sitting job, even if other than Murphy he seemed to blend with him best. The year before Oesterle a 6th or 7th guy at best and a shell of Cody Franson. Plus the support from the forwards regressed and goaltending issues last couple of years, hard to blame him, now seemingly the growing pains of Collitons system, but he still plays hard for 25 mins a night without complaints. Don’t see him as a problem.

    Hull you complained no goalie other than Crawford, now you whine daily Lehner is a waste of money. The last couple of years your daily rant was lack of defense and no bottom 6. Now thats addressed you say how stupid Bowman was because he didn’t need realize the issue was top 6 forwards. You must be too. Keep bring up Neal knowing there was no way he could have been signed last year.

  56. There’s been a lot of successful NHL head coaches that were never assistant coaches. Hell, Paul Maurice had 12 games as an NHL assistant before being given the head job. Having never coached professionals previously.

  57. Not disagreeing with anybody here. What Ian and Loags are saying makes the most sense to me.

    Good pointing out the run and gun and no Defense thing and then that this is the Defensive system were seeing now. Waugh.

    If your going to keep 19 88 others over Q, then you do the same for any coach that system doesnt work, well enough, to ‘play’ and I know the core and others are not ‘playing’ on purpose.

  58. Hull is only here for Hull. Even though the retorts are spot on with everything said to him, he isn’t here to have a discussion. He’s only here to create chaos.

    Could be time to let him find a new audience. Or create another dozen accounts so he can defend his insane points.

    What bothers me the most is that the AHLers on the team are having far better years than the NHLers. But they are all playing the same system… Why the difference in results?

    Kneelander gets my vote for MOST IMPROVED so far. I wouldn’t trade him for James Kneel.

  59. Jon Cooper was never an NHL assistant. Had 2+ years as an AHL head coach. Previously he was head coach of the Green Bay Gamblers for 2 years in the USHL. Prior to that he was in the NAHL with the Texarkana Bandits. Before that he was a public defender for 11 years.

  60. Got to be because they are too new to team organization to not ‘play’ their best and are rookie yrs so want need to get established.

  61. Rusty true it’s not necessary to have Nhl experience but in most cases it usually helps alot.
    How long do you wait, up until last night Toews was mostly invisible, Debrincat not scoring, Kane not looking like Kane. Shaw has had very minimal impact, Strome save for one game has not looked impressive. Save for Saad those are the fwds that need to make good things happen. The Ahlers have done their job.
    Maatta and Dehaan have been what they are, solid dmen but not superstars. Murphy injury unfortunate, Gus and Seabrook benching says it all there. Keith trying his best as usual. This sytem doesn’t seem like it’s a good fit for this team, don’t know what else to think.

  62. One more pet peeve while I am at it. For at least the 2nd year in a row we have no one with any size that plays physical. Teams run us all day long without concern. Dach has now been run twice lately and taken huge hits. This is why I would prefer to see Gilbert stay in the lineup. He finishes checks and will stand up for a teammate if necessary.

    If you haven’t seen it bring up the video from Winnipeg-Vegas last night. Adam Lowry of Winnipeg has a big hit. Reaves comes out immediately for the next faceoff and challenges Lowry who accepts and holds his own in the fight. Winnipeg was down 3-1 at the time and comes back to win in OT.

  63. Hull 65 for head of scouting, player development and GM. Perhaps coach as well?
    Save money in the process.

  64. In the spring both McD and Bowman stated not making the playoffs will not be tolerated. Bowman then brought in the players he thought would get them there. If they don’t make the playoffs it’s on them, no one else. Their responsible therefore they should be gone.

  65. Trip after the season Neal had last year, even with scoring 11 goals so far, mostly on pp the benefit of Mcdavids setups and crazy high unsustainable shooting %. His line normally starts in O zone 5 on5, their possession numbers are nowhere near where you want them. So unless you can bring 97 with him, i wouldn’t touch his 5.75m caphit for 3 more years after this year with a 10 foot pole. Just another problem contract to rant about daily.

  66. I’m posing a question for everyone. If the trading deadline was next week, please list your current Blackhawk players that would fetch a #1 draft pick. I’m betting your list will be short. That should tell everyone how weak this roster is.

  67. While many factors seem to be in play for the situation at hand, isn’t the game where the players have an obligation to both produce and put forth the effort to win the game? Isn’t it widely accepted that the hardest working team generally is rewarded at the end?
    I’m of the opinion that players control most game outcomes, and this group isn’t willing to be bothered by working hard enough to win most nights.
    How did an expansion team make it to the SCF? Great coach? Great roster? Great GM? I know this much, they were working really hard on the ice. That’s a good place to start.
    Be professional enough to say efff everything else and bust your ass to win a game.
    And as I previously mentioned, losing appears to be well tolerated top to bottom in this organization currently. That’s disappointing.
    Tweak all you want, I’ve dug in for the long haul back to being relevant.
    It happens.

  68. Is that your i.q Mo ? What is 38 …?? Bobby9 What are McD and Stan suppose to say ….we suck and we shit the bed again ? No ..they have to smoke screen and bullshit us all the way .

    Sad but true ..suck it up ..we are in a recline decline . Cash strapped ,bad contracts and a bad schedule…ha ha …struggling star core and a struggling cast around them.
    And what in the hell is J.C system ?

  69. Hull, why are you so hung up on Anthony Louis? A 6th round draft pick. 6th round. Led Rockford in scoring. Let go and signed with another team at the AHL level. As long as you use this as a barometer of the front brasses ability to pick players you have no credibility. Please. Just stop.

    Also I’m surprised that I see no one talking about the dumb pass Boqvist made to start off the final rush that LA scored on to win the game. Eddie O talked about it right after it happened. Just blindly threw the puck out into the open middle. He wasn’t terrible in the game, but he gets no real love from me either.

  70. ORIGINAL6HAWKEY
    I totally agree with you about the Shaw trade.
    Giving up future picks and helping Montreal clear capspace was not smart.
    Usually the team that is clearing the capspace would give up the extra picks.
    Bowman got fleeced.
    Toronto gave up next years first round pick to Carolina to take on the six million dollar contact of Patrick Marleau. The Kind of move that Hawks should have been looking to do…..You know gain assets. Hawks had the cap space before the season and Bowman squandered it in a hurry.

  71. In Boqvist first nhl game as a 19 year old and he is on the ice in overtime do you not think Boqvist might have been just a little nervous?

  72. Yes Boquist’s blind pass was not something you do in peewee hockey never mind the NHL in OT but I agree nerves and inexperience played a huge role

    Let’s not forget he almost won the game on a 2 on 1 and overall had an effective debut

    He’ll learn – he’s a smart player and a quick study IMO

  73. Thing thats sweet about 27 is, like in world juniors, hes always in on the play in OT and key times it seems. He has a sick shot and good passer.

    Hes a difference maker.

  74. I didnt bring up Boqvist pass in OT because thats what you get when you play the kids. It was par for the course.

  75. Would having Brooks got to Rockford and getting a new coach and system, while keeping Crawford and Bowman work. That a different system would work much better for these players. Sure you trade some players and keep who you do in summer as the young wave keeps coming in.

  76. Is the plan to wait it out, for more of the young wave to be ready and they are fast and can play the man to man good. We just have to wait, while getting another top 5 draft player again.

    Is there any way to do zone Defense again, now that we have better Defensemen then we did past 2 yrs.

    Were sitting and gathering top 5 players and waiting until they are ready, then were fast. Then this system might work well. Or were going to get another system by 20 games.

  77. These are the most sensible lines JC has come up with yet and I like the D pairs as well

    let’s see if they put out the effort for 60 minutes tonight

  78. Mo systems are hybrids, most like Q’s rely on more zone, then a man breaking free causes less breakdown in coverage Collitons is more man based, thats why you see more breaakdowns in coverage as veterans especially never had to be responsible for one partiular guy so much, i guess is part of the struggle. Wish he would adapt to little more zone , so players comfortable.

  79. Big i’m more surprised people aren’t saying if Nylander made an effort to try and score on his breakaway that final sequence would never came about.

  80. A plus side to man coverage is that players stay in motion for more of the defensive time, thus making it easier to get out of the zone once possession is obtained. Players tend to get ‘lazy’ in zone and become cherry pickers for offensive opportunities.

    We tend to get caught watching the puck a lot, which kills ya in man. Also, Dmen can get way out of position in man, chasing their player above the dots at times. While our Dmen certainly don’t believe in clearing the front of the net, I would prefer they stay in the bottom half of the defensive zone than running around. I agree with Ian that some hybrid of allowing the Dmen to stay on their side of the net and from the dot down would create more safety and be easier to play.

    Traditional zone has the center being the 3rd Dman, working behind the net and into the corner to help when needed, and be in front of the net most of the other time. Wings get the point down to the dot, or the corners.

    Note that there is more pressure on a center in zone, and less on the wings. That is why we see lazy wing defense – they have been that way most of their hockey lives. Of course they don’t want to work harder – human nature. But being a center is hard work even in a zone approach, but more so in a man.

    Generalizations here, but should help to describe the differences.

  81. maybe the gods have just decided we should suck really bad for awhile, simply because 28 still isnt hanging in a proper place.
    #18 was retired 21 years ago. …
    Steve wasn’t that far removed from the level Denis played at.

  82. Boqvist with the PP goal. Dach jumped on the puck to pick it up.

    On that pp unit
    Boqvist-19
    Dach-18
    Nylander-21
    Kubalik-24
    Toews-31

    Tonight’s lineup, they moved Dach to wing. Perhaps he’ll get more ice as a wing?

  83. Theres always that goal by Kaner in the first few goals of the season for him. Thats when you know the season has just started.

    6 in 9 days after 5 dyas off, more bull shit. Lets see if we can ‘play’ like this game during this segment.

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