Blackhawks-Coyotes Game 3: Hawks Lose Game, Marian Hossa

On Tuesday night, the Chicago Blackhawks lost to the Phoenix Coyotes 3-2 in overtime.

And Raffi Torres sent Marian Hossa to the hospital on a stretcher.

Brendan Shanahan has made the discipline from the league office a joke throughout the postseason, and realized the ultimate worst-case scenario as Chicago superstar Hossa was taken, lifeless, off the ice. As you can see from the video, the repeat offender left his feet without the puck being anywhere near Hossa, and knocked him out cold.

After the game, the Blackhawks released the following statement:

“Marian Hossa suffered an upper body blow in the first period of tonight’s game. After initial evaluation on the ice he was taken by ambulance to the hospital for further testing, which yielded encouraging results. He has been released from the hospital, and we are monitoring him closely at home. We anticipate a full recovery in a timetable yet to be determined. “

After leaving the ice on a stretcher with his neck in a brace, and leaving the United Center in an ambulance, this news is encouraging. But it doesn’t change the reality that Torres put Hossa’s career in jeopardy with a stupid, ugly hit.

The fact that the Blackhawks lost the game in overtime meant little in light of the injury to Hossa, and the crowd at the United Center was impacted. After the Torres hit, the crowd in Chicago sat nauseated and stunned over 13 minutes into an overtime period until the game ended on an unfortunate goal.

Mike Smith, who did not speak with the media because of “extreme circumstances” after fully participating in practice on Tuesday morning, started the game and made 35 saves in 73:14. Not bad for a guy that was a “game-time decision.”

The continuing trend of “not the usual suspects” played into the Hawks’ scoring, as Andrew Brunette and Michael Frolik were credited with the team’s two goals. It was Frolik’s first goal since Dec. 14 and momentarily gave Chicago the lead.

Despite the game going over 13 minutes into overtime, rookie Dylan Olsen only skated nine shifts and 4:56 in the game; Johnny Oduya skated over 29 minutes in the game while Brent Seabrook was over 33 and Duncan Keith was over 34 on the night.

Between the lack of confidence in a rookie defensemen and the loss of a top forward to injury, the Hawks were both frustrated and tired in the overtime period. Even so, the Hawks controlled the puck and put six shots on net before what appeared to be an attempt to center the puck as much as it was a scoring attempt from Mikkel Boedker snuck behind Corey Crawford for the game-winning score.

The game was hard-fought by both teams well into overtime. What is sad is that two teams played well for over 73 minutes and the pathetic, illegal (and unpenalized) play from a reckless goon took one of the world’s elite players out of the game and stole the headlines.

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58 Responses to Blackhawks-Coyotes Game 3: Hawks Lose Game, Marian Hossa

  1. Ryan says:

    Torres should be done for the series. Hopefully Hossa can return

  2. Tab Bamford says:

    If Shaw’s hit is worth three games, Torres should get at least 15.

  3. Adam says:

    The hit was not late, but he did leave his feet. Repeat offender… 1-2 games if anything. Hopefully Hossa can return to this series.

  4. Will says:

    The disrespect of the players for each other is really sickening. I grew up in the original six era and there was no where the disrespect there is today. Today’s game maybe be faster but, in my opinion it is not better. Also, back then the players policed themselves there was no instigation rule now, these players take liberties and know they can get away with it.

    A guy like Raffi Torres is a piece of crap and he always will be a piece of crap. I can guarantee you he wouldn’t take a run like that at somebody who could kick his ass. Whatever the league does to him will never be enough because he needs some of the crap that he deals out to see how it feels to be on the receiving end of it.

    I am sick of this stuff like Shea Weber who should be sitting. If he did that to somebody out in the street he would be in jail for assault and battery. The NHL answer to that is fine him some chump change are you kidding me? Maybe we need another referee out there who can miss calls besides the two that went to Stevie Wonder reading school. The NHL better get their heads out of their ass and take care of business otherwise they are on the verge of ruining a great game.

    I don’t know about you but, every time I see that hit it makes me ill. To the people who run the NHL take the blinders off and fix it. If you can’t fix it then find some one who has a clue before it is too late.

  5. Phil says:

    I was at the game and watched this sickening hit from Torres on Hossa. I have been going to games since the early 60’s and this was one of the worst I have ever seen live. Along with 1,000’s of other fans this one just gutted you to see it happen. When is the league going to deal with the headhunters to stop this garbage? For the sake of the NHL’s credibility it’s time to make these guys really pay for their actions. Torres history is long with these head shots that are clearly meant to take a player down hard. It is now 2 years running that Torres has taken out a key guy on our squad. The crowd tonight was stunned, and I think the players were as well from this horrible play. My goodness, Hossa is just a class act and he gets this cheap shot from a thug like Torres. Bettman was there tonight. He saw it all. After last weekend and now this shot tonight with Hossa being viciously taken out the league is in danger of losing serious credibility if Torres does not get a massive suspension. I think they will rightfully throw the book at Torres with 15-20 games. Clear intent to injure. You could feel the ugliness of that hit as it rippled through the building. Never experienced that before and hope never again. It still feels bad as I write this. I just hope Hoss is ok, and was heartened to hear he left the hospital to be monitored at home. Pity we lost on a softie in OT, but let’s regroup and get after these guys. We still haven’t played a solid game yet. Lets go Hawks!

  6. SJS says:

    I hate to say this, but if Torres goes without getting suspended, I am simply out for the rest of the playoffs. Living in Phoenix, I have spent the money to watch the Hawks on Center Ice, I spent the money to take my mom to her first Hawks game in December, and I shelled out over $500 to see Game 1 and 2 in Glendale last week…

    ..but all of that said, I will not stand by and watch the Shaw-less Hawks while Torres gets to goon it up when he should have the rest of the playoffs and 10 regular season games upon his head. The ball is in Shanahan’s court now, do f’ing something or I’m out….hopefully our core will be in tact when I tune back in come August.

  7. Brad says:

    While I share the sheer outrage, utter disbelief, and hope for change in the NHL discipline process of about everyone in here, I think it’s worth noting that Torres took a run at Hoss in Game 1 (I think). Torres came all the way from far to near boards and lunged himself at Hoss in a fashion that probably wouldve warranted a charging penalty had he made contact. In this instance, Hossa had the wherewithal to avoid what I surmise would’ve been a vicious collision. While I acknowledge that I’m speculating a lot here, doesn’t it appear as though Torres has had one plan in mind throughout the series: take out the Hawks leading point-getter at all costs! Personally, I think this other run should be considered, as well as the fact that he apparently left his feet on the check to Dylan Olsen too (per Kerry Fraser on TSN).

  8. Robinson says:

    KARMA.

    Hurricane Karma is coming to Torreys, again (another hjarmelsun elbow to face behing net)(will have to wait til next year when he plays again, if he ever plays again)(going to get shot before next season with a gun, the only way to stop him from ending top 10 league players careers)(If thats Crosby, they hang the guy in the 1st intermission) The GD Ref was flinching from the hit so he wouldnt get hit, those fucking 3 blind mice could get landed on top of and still would miss it(they didnt see him shoulder seabs blindside last yr, no suspension, repeat off. what does that mean anyways, they are allowed to do it over and over again). This series is fixed by league, no dought. Horrible and a disgrace to hockey.

    Its also coming to the league, refs and suspsension people. They are a disgrace and have ruined the sport, after it had regained its popularity the last 5 yrs(w chicago, boston & pitt). Now the nation will go back to nFl and nBa because their fair sports and have INSTANT REPLAY. How can you f— up, shannahan your wacting it in 1/1000 speed, are you retarded or something.

    I will only watch our games for now on and put this nhl league down for being a swatza nigger. Too bad if the phx needs finicial support, that doesnt mean they/refs/shannahan should throw all the games to them.

    What a joke, and Hockey was fun sport again the last 4 years. And we still could win the series with all of this crap and garbage.

  9. wall says:

    I agree SJS… the NHL is becoming a JOKE!!! Not just this series either!

    I will not by the “product” anymore if this shit continues! Officials “took control” in the 3rd when Hjalmersen is sent to box w/ Doan…. He gently slid the puck at Doan, Doan turned and flipped it back at #4’s chest (all after whistle) and they both go to the box…
    they out score us 2-1 in 4-4 hockey during that 45 second span… so basically another game is decided by the calls and non-calls of the refs.

    Meanwhile nobody sees one of the dirtiest players in Hockey deliver one of the most nasty ILLEGAL hits of the year!!! I have played and reffed for over 25 years and I always anticipated and watched those dickheads closely… it was my job! and it wasn’t hard to anticipate where and when they would strike if you understand the Game!

    Furthermore, the instigator rule does have to go… it is clearly not working! Allow each team to carry another player to beat the piss out of guys like Torres- let them police themselves… there have been more suspensions in the first round this year then all of the rounds from last year…

  10. Travis says:

    really nice posts.

    when the game was over, i wasn’t even that disappointed in the outcome… just more sick to my stomach over the hossa hit and concerned with the gruesomeness of this (potentially) beautiful game. and furious with the terrible refereeing.

    it’s so easy to alleviate the nhl’s concussion problem… take the body armor off the players! body checks should hurt the checker, too. self-preservation will slow everybody down when they’re looking to hit. that should encourage more players to hip check, which is much less concussion-prone.

    great to see crawford and smith exchange some words. this series just makes me sick.

  11. JS says:

    You really think if John Scott was still on the Blackhawks Torres wouldn’t have hit Hossa? Wishful thinking.

    Here is an idea- make penalties significant. Make suspensions longer. Take away the roster spot for a suspended player so the team suffers. Make “hockey players” like Torres and Carcillo have negative value to teams that are dumb enough to sign them.

  12. Cord says:

    “I saw exactly what happened. It was right in front of me,” Quenneville said. “How four guys missed it was hard. The refereeing tonight was a disgrace.”

    Watch Torres walk and Q get a hefty fine.

    Fucking bullshit tonight. Check out the Yotes boards. Disgusting morons. Can’t wait until that team is moved. Again. Just took my shitlist 2 seed.

  13. tysimmo says:

    My question…..

    How is play allowed to continue with an unconscious player on the ice?! Especially poor decision by the officials considering the ‘hawks had possession of the puck still and the training staff rushed onto the ice immediately.

  14. beezer60 says:

    @JS…yes I think if John Scott was on the team he would have still done it. Why? Because Scott would not have been on the ice at the time, just like when Vancouver pulled their crap last year, then when he was on the ice they all ran away. #2 he would have done it knowing that Scott would have done something stupid to eventually get a a penalty and possibly a lengthy PP. The sad thing about Torres is he actually has skill, he just doesn’t use it. It was a dirty hit and an exact text book example of what the league is trying to get rid of. I will not be the least bit surprised if he walks free on this. I have lost all confidence in Shannahan and the NHL after the Weber incident. It’s funny how that’s not a big deal but what Shaw did, well he made it seem like the most dispicble thing someone could do. Listen to Bettmans interview also, he agrees. I don’t doubt Shaw was trying to get a piece of Smith but it was not suspension worthy. The way he and that orginization has played that up is an embarassment to the league and they all look like fools. If Hossa was hit the way Brown hit Sedin then there is no problem but he left his feet and went for the head, the intent was there. I can hear Shannahan now ” it is important to note, there was no infraction called on the player, the offensive player had just released the puck and has his head down thus lowering the point of impacting of the oppossing players hit.” he will then finish it with “The department of player safety feels this was a clean hit made during a hockey play and there will be no supplamental discipline.” The entire playoffs have been an embarassment, the officials have no control, are making up calls and trying to make up for missed calls and the league has egg all over their faces. Shea Weber should be out and he is not and has been a huge factor in that series. This is just disgusting and I don’t know how much more I can watch.

  15. Dean says:

    http://www.csnchicago.com/pages/video?PID=ZOG0J_IzDmRKlEqcclpqsY8GBY8PKU3b&t=0-33

    Torres makes the bullshit hit then he can’t even sack up and face these interviewers, then slams his gatorade to boot.

  16. Mike says:

    How anybody can think this hit was not late is incredulous.

  17. Mark says:

    This is the greatest sport on the planet and it’s being shit on by thugs, illequpped officials and a league that can’t run it’s own business with any form of consistency or integrity. We can only hope that they will see that the consumers are pissed off and maybe some positive change can come about.

  18. alx says:

    The suspensions obviously aren’t working. The instigator rule has to go. The players had more respect for eachother when there was on ice retributions for their actions. I would even go so far as to say that each should get to designate one player that can leave the the bench without their stick and gloves at any time.

  19. Dominic says:

    No argument from me this time. That was clearly an attempt to injure. And compared to Shaw’s it was way worse. Plus he is a repeat offender. Torres should be gone for at least 6 games probably more if the NHL is to be at all consistent. And I really hope Hossa is OK.

  20. McKay says:

    Jesus christ, you can see the swelling on his face before he even leaves the ice. If they were waiting for Smith-Sedin’s sob story to asses a major, how could they not look at Hossa and clearly see that it’s a head shot?

    I agree and I know a lot of us have been saying it for while now… strip the armor off NHL (and NFL players) to and the inflicters will feel the pain of the impact themselves. Take a run at a horse like Hossa and Torres ends up with a broken collar bone.

  21. James M says:

    The only disagreement I have with Q’s postgame statement that the refereeing last night was a disgrace is that the refereeing has been a disgrace all three games. Toews getting an interference call after Smith made contact with him…PHX has too many men on the ice but it’s not called.

    Hopefully Torres once again sparks the ‘hawks into action and they start to dominate like they did last year, but this time win the series. It will start with them being more aggressive defensively and them figuring out how to exploit PHX’s defense. And, well, keeping a hold of the puck

  22. Dominic says:

    Plus the repeat offender. I forgot about that. Really it should be 10 games. Worst of all though, is that it strikes me that the instigator rule has allowed and indeed fostered players like Torres being in the NHL. If not for the instigator rule, Torres would think twice about attempting to injure when he hits.

  23. Al says:

    You know what the sad thing is, Coach Q will be fined for saying the refereeing was a disgrace….

  24. CK says:

    Clearly a late hit as the replay shows that Torres makes contact with Hossa 0.83 seconds after the releases the puck. NHL deems any hit after 0.5 seconds of releasing the puck is a late hit. It is being compared to the hit Rome delivered on Horton which was 0.87 seconds after puck was released. For those of us watching at home, Hossa was just barely in the picture when the hit was delivered. No doubt this is a late hit, with Torres leaving his feet at the point of contact and the principal point of contact was to the face of an unsuspecting player. I will not speculate on the severity of the suspension. I do however feel Shanaban was trying to send a message with the Shaw suspension to cover earlier mistakes (i.e. Weber) and hopefully he takes the opportunity this time to send a very clear message.

  25. Patti says:

    The loss was disappointing, but the sick feeling I had in my stomach after watching Hossa go down was the icing for me. Shanahan does NOT know what he is doing. It has become clear that he is picking and choosing who gets fines and who gets suspensions. As most hockey fans would agree, a good clean hit or a good fight brings excitement to the game, but when players are out to hurt someone or end their career it no longer becomes part of the game. Coach Q said it best, along with Toews comments. I am so disgusted with the way the NHL is handling this. As a fan of over 20 years I have never seen such a disgrace to the sport and to the players who are at risk (from these goons). SAD!!! My prayers are with Hossa for a speedy recovery!

  26. AJ says:

    “Here is an idea- make penalties significant. Make suspensions longer. Take away the roster spot for a suspended player so the team suffers. Make “hockey players” like Torres and Carcillo have negative value to teams that are dumb enough to sign them.”

    That is the situation in the nutshell. Fighting someone in retribution is absolutely no deterrence. Look no further than Pitt… Trying to start fights with every player on the Flyers worked out well for them —- And Ottawa, they take a run at Boyle who returns the favor by scoring two goals and oh by the way Alfredsson may have played his last playoff game ever. The NYR players were soooooo intimidated they wouldn’t dare hit anyone recklessly. Give me a break.

    If Weber gets 2 games like he should have to start a lot of this doesn’t happen.

    James Neal should have gotten 5+ games btw. Him only getting 1 sets the bar pretty low here. Torres may only get one to three which would be an absolute joke.

  27. Bryan says:

    I used to think big hits, fights and all out barbaric temperament from NHL players made the game exciting. I used to think “how could anyone not love this!” The last few years watching guys like Torres run around the ice trying to decapitate people has changed my opinion 180 degrees. It disgusts me watching what the league has turned into. Concussions, slashes to the face, flying elbows, punches to defenseless players, a myriad of disorderly conduct. It disgusts me…Watching the video of Hoss last night put knots in my stomach. The lack of discipline and absolute question mark on Shanahan’s job performance has the league looking like the WWE now. It is no longer about being the “tougher” team, it seems players want to put other playsers on life support, in a coma. It would be an absolute shame if the NHL waited til someone was carted off the ice only to NOT return again because what the league is turning into, its not a matter of “if” but “when”. EPIC changes need to be made in the way discipline is handed out in the NHL. Shanahan is terrible but officiating is just as bad and needs to be looked at, quickly…

  28. Pam says:

    @Will, great response. I agree completely.

  29. Gou says:

    Brad you are correct, Torres stuck his leg out on Hossa in Game 1. They have turned this beautiful game into a disgrace. Before the Nashville/Detroit game, JR and Milbury asked for consistency from the league and there was none with all of the hogwash that happened on Sunday.
    As stated earlier Shanaban will provide some pathetic tirade and allow Torres to skate.
    There is no accountability from the league to govern this.
    I too, grew up watching the game since the original 6 and the players policed themselves. There were some ugly moments, but who doesn’t love a good donnybrook every now and then. It settles down and the boys play hockey. Those days are gone and so is the respect that used to reign in the league.
    I only hope Hossa will be alright and this lights a fire under Redd Steel.Stilll a lot of hockey to be played in this series.

  30. Andrew says:

    They looked like the better team last night i thought. This series is gonna be tougher than i expected. Hopefully Hoss can get back by the end of the series and torres needs a suspension. I actually think Shanahan is gonna do this right. What the hell is with all these suspensions in these playoffs? Are these players retarded?

  31. Andrew says:

    Listening to the Phoenix broadcaster who called the hit clean, on Waddle and Silvy this morning is nauseating. What an excuse making douchebag.

  32. Tom Jaremka says:

    Boys, I agree that there is no longer any respect among NHL players. The respect went out the window when they put in the instigator rule. Before, players held each other accountable for actions like Raffy Torres, but now, the refs and Shanahan are left to handle the situation and many times they handle it incorrectly.

    I hope Raffy Torres is out for 10 games, but he will NOT be suspended by the league and here’s why: 1. No penalty was called on the play. 2. Hossa’s head was looking down when he was hit by a shoulder, not an elbow. 3. They will look at it as a “hockey play”. 4. There are plays in hockey where a player is injured and a penalty was not committed. 5. Even though Torres left his feet, they will say that it was part of the play.

    As a fan, I want Torres’ head. He is a dirty, cheap and reckless player who has done this before. As an ex-referee, I can tell you that the play happened so fast that no referee could call it because they didn’t see the entire play happen. It doesn’t make it right or wrong, it makes it a “reckless” hit.

    I don’t trust Shanahan, at all. Torres should get 10 games, minimum. This judgement by Shanahan could go either way. But if Shea Weber can grab a player by the head and beat him against the glass AND GET NOTHING, how can Shanahan punish Raffy Torres for an open ice hit, whether he left his feet, or not. The Shea Weber non-punishment is going to haunt Shanahan for a long time.

    What Torres did is a “reckless” hockey play. What Weber did was assault a defenseless player. WEBER GOT NOTHING. How can he give Torres a suspension is Weber got NOTHING?

    This really sucks, boys. My suggestion is fire Shanahan and take out the instigator rule and let the players hold each other accountable and the play and the players will clean up real fast!!

  33. Gou says:

    Well said AJ. The roster spot would have an impact immediately.

  34. Kyle says:

    I know andrew!! I heard that too on the score. How could anyone call that a clean hit, It’s like propaganda almost.

    Hossa is my favorite hockey player ever. I’m 25 so I didn’t see many greats that I can remember. I liked Hoss before he came to the hawks too, Stand up clean hard working guy. I’m devastated.

    So Tab how about seeing Saad now??

  35. Montana Blackhawk says:

    Clearly Shanahan picks and chooses who and for how long when he deals with the suspension issues. The NHL obviously can’t police itself. A former goon player like Shanahan clearly can not be allowed to have this kind of authority. I don’t have the answer, other than to say, Shanahan obviously is not able to adjudicate with clear consistency. He NEEDS to go for the sake of the NHL. Bettman, DO SOMETHING NOW!

  36. Ryan says:

    According to this article League will request an in person hearing “ASAP” per one league source. This is from Chris Kuc

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/hockey/blackhawks/chi-coyotes-torres-facing-disciplinary-hearing-20120418,0,2698946.story

  37. Mike says:

    The outrage and anger expressed eloquently and, in a few cases, NOT so eloquently but angrily and with disbelief is both warranted and expected in light of events.
    Hossa, a super-star caliber player whom any team in the NHL would delight in having on their roster, could have literally ended up dead.
    The slo-mo replay is painful to watch in more ways than one.
    The actions of the officials or, more appropriately the lack of them, is appalling. The fact that Bollig was penalized for coming to the aid of Hossa?
    Mind-boggling and unforgivable in the eyes of every fan who has watched more than one season of professional hockey.
    What is even more telling is that Torres, when confronted head-on by a player unafraid of his idiotic, street-gang hockey style, rolled up into a ball and refused to answer Bollig’s challenge.
    Torres had the same reaction to John Scott in a previous game.
    So, in addition to his amazingly dangerous and unacceptable hockey style, Torres is a coward as well.
    But the real story here is the inaction of on-ice officials, one of them close enough to be splattered by the sweat flying from #81’s brow when he was blind-sided, did nothing at all.
    Andrew Shaw drew a three-game suspension for a the hit that wasn’t a hit but a set-up by Mike Smith. (What an incredible actor Smith has proven himself to be).
    That suspension, if stated algebraically and diagrammed on paper, would lead the average high-school graduate to believe that Torres should, under the same formula, get suspended for the rest of his miserable, goon-squad life.
    We shall see if Mr. Shanahan is up to the task.
    Raffi Torres has no place in the NHL. If Shanahan fails to discharge his duties in a proper and timely manner, neither does he.

  38. Gou says:

    Shanaban had almost 2500 minutes of penalties on his career. And he was a dirty player, make no mistake, but he could also put the biscuit in the basket. So maybe that justifies his position with bettman and the league.

    Almost like having the fox watch the henhouse.

  39. Chris Spieglan says:

    @ Adam: WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU’RE CRAPPING; NOT A LATE HIT?

    @ Tom Jarenka: Your comment about refs keeping a CLOSE eye on pieces of shit like Torres is spot on! That linesman standing 5′ away from the assault (he flinched; he DEFINITELY saw it!) should be FIRED!

    Torres should be suspended for the remainder of the playoffs AND for the first 20 games of next season, MINIMUM! Anything less, then Brendan Shanahan ought to be fired, too.

    One more thing should be done: The team of the suspended player for intent to injure should play one man short on their bench for the duration of the suspension.

    By the way, why is Todd Bertuzzi not banned from the NHL for life? If you forgot, click on the link.

  40. Melissa says:

    I am beyond outraged and disgusted! Even though Torres is in for a long suspension (is Shanny is in the mood) the Hawks lose Hossa and he is much more important to the team then Torres is to his. The refs disgust beyond words. DON’T TELL ME NO ONE SAW ONE GUY WAS RIGHT THERE, NOT TEN FEET AWAY!!!! And then to top it off the Hawks get a penalty!! Penalties were assessed wrongly to the Hawks and too few ignored. I have absolutely n0 doubt in my mind anymore that the refs are purposefully throwing games in the Coyotes favor! The Toews roughing come on, he barely did anything and then if that happens Smith needs one too for hitting Sharp multiple times while he was passing by. Yet nothing. I even noticed at least 3 instances where the refs got in the way of a Hawk player and made no attempt to avoid it. Q is right the refs have been disgraceful and nothing can express my outrage right now! This series has been decided already. The league or at least the refs want the Coyotes to win and so they will win. It has been predetermined or it looks very much that way and there is nothing we can do about it!!

  41. Brad Stevenson says:

    Kudos to Coach Q for saying what he did after the game…it had to be said…let’s just hope that Hossa is okay, I would imagine that he will need at least a week to physically recover from that hit, and if he has concussion like symptoms he will be done for the playoffs…again, as tough as that is to swallow, lets just hope Marian will be okay long term.

    As for the Hawks team, this is likely going to be the incident that unites this group into a playoff dynamo…just like when Toews went down, the team rallied around one another and went on a big run…I think that this team will do the same thing…

    One that must be said though…we NEED BETTER GOALTENDING…once again Crawford was outplayed by Smith and he simply can’t keep letting softer goals in…in Crawford steps up, this team could go a long way, even without Hossa!

  42. Tom Jaremka says:

    Before we suspend Torres, we have to define exactly what he did. Hossa lost control of the puck and was reaching for it. In the rule book, “possession” is lost when another player has “possession” of the puck. So, Hossa lost the puck and was not allowed to gain control of it, again. In the book, that is “interference”. Torres’ hit wasn’t late, it was a reckless interference with a charge, also.

    What Shanahan has to do is determine if Torres was trying to injure Hossa. If he was, then the penalty should fit the crime. “Intent to injure” is the determining factor, here. With Torres’ background and record, this suspension should be a “no brainer”. But, like I said, how can you give Torres a suspension for a “reckless” hockey play and let Shea Weber walk away with nothing?

  43. Marcus says:

    Appropriate post, Tab. Don’t stop calling bullshit when you see it.
    Suggestions I like (adopted from others and my own):
    (a) Switch to 4 on 4 hockey.
    (b) ZERO tolerance of shenanigans after the whistle so that players must avoid each other entirely until the ensuing faceoff
    (c) Suspension = loss of roster spot (in comments above)
    (d) Consider scaling suspension lengths based on # of team suspensions over a period -eg, a team with three suspensions in a season for example would cause their next suspension to be a minimum of x (20?) games. This would really limit the players they’d carry with any propensity for outlawed hits/play. Coupled with (c), this would be huge.

    An aside: I’ve no interest in watching any games other than Hawks (and even that is being reconsidered) until the League gets their shit in order. And yes, Shanahan’s job may not be easy, but NHL biases are EXTREMELY clear, and he’s a bloody joke.
    @clearpsight
    ~M

  44. JJ says:

    Torres is a puke!!!! Good old NHL wants fighting out of the league so they institute the Instigator Rule in & low & behold you have all these pukes like Torres, Marchmant from Bos & etc taking all these cheap shots.

    Get rid of that rule & we will see how tough Torres thinks he is.

    PS Do you think there is a bounty system in the NHL too?

    & flopper Smith should be suspended too. Go back to Canada douche bag, a lot of Canadians like to dive.

  45. scott says:

    He left his feet, and should get suspended for that, repeat offender, and depending on how long Hossa is out. James Neal in a similar incident, left his feet, did not get suspended for it. I hope Hossa is not out like Sedin is from the keith hit, and it was an elbow, only 5 regular season games. Ask Vancouver how they feel about that cheap shot now being down 3 zip. I think he gets 1 to 3 games, depending on Hossa’s return, unless Shanahan wants to stop this nonsense, it could be much more. But, as the hawks have found out, what goes around comes around and I think the hawks will retaliate for this one, so if I’m Vrbatta, or Whitney, keep your head up and protected…The next game will be nasty…

  46. JS says:

    Tom you and people from Phoenix are the only people that don’t think that was a late hit. So if a player clears the zone on a power play by your definition he can still be hit until someone skates down to the other zone to touch the puck? No.

  47. Tom Jaremka says:

    JS, if you go by the definition of “possession” in the book, you are correct. But if the play you are describing, happens, then the call is “interference”. There is no such call as a “late hit” in the rule book and there is no penalty for a “late hit”. The call we are looking for is “interference” with an additional “charging penalty”. The determining factor for a suspension will be “intent to injure”, in this case.

    JS, I understand your frustration, but the league has to go by the rule book. But just remember this, right now, there is no standard for suspensions in this league. There is also no book for suspensions. Everything is dictated by Shanahan and right now, his reputation is questionable.

  48. regnar says:

    The system of having only one person, Shanahan in this case, to make all the disciplinary decisions is grossly inadequate.

    We are human. We have biases and make mistakes. I think we should have a disciplinary committee–a jury or a panel of judges similar to some of the higher courts. The composition of the committee, be it the number of members or where these members come from (ex-players, league officials, fans, etc.), can be worked out. The most important thing is that there should be a vote for each disciplinary action, and the vote be made public for accountability. If there is any potential conflict of interest, members of the committee can recuse themselves from any one decision.

    This proposal, if adopted, will it solve all woes NHL is facing today and bring Hossa back? Of course not. But I think this will be a huge step in making punishments more consistent which is currently sorely lacking.

  49. Pat D says:

    This game was disgusting to watch because of both the play of that goon torres and the complete ignorance and indifference by the referees. Especially what James M. said, “PHX has too many men on the ice but it’s not called. ” I distinctly remember hearing the announcers say at least once in the third, and perhaps once in OT that the yotes had too many men on the ice and yet play kept going and no penalty was called.

    Torres is a repeat offender and if the league wants any credibility he will be done for the playoffs and a hefty suspension and fine to carry over to next season. I’d prefer a ban for his cowardly hit but I don’t see that happening, and the way Shanahan has been giving out suspensions and fines, I wouldn’t be surprised if nothing at all happened. I’ll take that some calls can be debated both ways, and I’ll buy that some calls and arguments fans make are based solely on their allegiance to their team but to Hear the yotes announcers say that It was a clean hockey hit and that they didn’t see anything wrong just boggles my mind. And then for torres and the yotes to defend his actions is just despicable. Torres is a known headhunter, as was evident last year when he took out Seabrook and got nothing for it, now Big Hoss had to be carted off. I personally hope that goon never steps foot on the ice again because the next time he steps on the same ice as the Blackhawks because Chicago does not forget or forgive gutless cowardly acts like that.

    I hope this game ignites a fire in the Hawks and us Fans. They need to go out and win this series for Big Hoss because this series is Far from over and the best way to respond to a cheap shot like that is to stand back up and time for Kaner Toews and Sharpie to lay down the law and take over this series. Crawford forever wins in my book for standing tall all game and letting Smith hear it. The Madhouse is going to be Rocking on Thursday….Time to put Grab the Sticks and put the paint on because the Blackhawks are going on the War Path Thursday to put down the desert dogs….

  50. JS says:

    I’m well aware that he would not be assessed a 5 minute major for the penalty of “Late Hit”. Did you read what you said? “Torres’ hit wasn’t late, it was a reckless interference with a charge, also.” No, Torres’ hit WAS late by rule, it was reckless interference, with a charge.

  51. Tom Jaremka says:

    JS, late by what rule? There is no rule that is designated as a “late hit”. What rule are you talking about? The rule is INTERFERENCE! I’ve never called a late hit penalty in my life. You said, “late hit by rule”…….what rule? You sound like Shanahan……dazed and confused.

  52. JS says:

    Seriously? I said I know the call isn’t “late hit.”

    “Possession of the Puck: The last player to touch the puck, other than the goalkeeper, shall be considered the player in possession. The player deemed in possession of the puck may be checked legally, provided the check is rendered immediately following his loss of possession.”

    Immediately. 1 second after losing the puck is not immediately. The hit is late.
    The fact that the hit was late is going to create a bigger suspension than if the puck was still on Hossa’s stick. I can almost guarantee that Shanahan will mention that it was late while he’s doing his stupid video.

  53. mason says:

    My emotions was running high when I watched the hit. I tried to look at the incident objectively. It was a bit late and Torres did leave his feet. The primary contact area of the hit was Hossa’s head and chest. He is a repeat offender. I am guessing 3-5 games because the league puts more weight on playoff games than regular season games.

  54. Gou says:

    Per the AP Torres is out indefinitely as of 1:27 EST. Hearing on Friday with the NHL. Time to send a message to the players, which as we all know is way overdue.

  55. bct27 says:

    Tom and JS, you two are splitting hairs here. You both agree its interference, but disagree about which part of rule 56 is relevant; if Hossa should be considered as just having had possession of the puck then rule 56 is broken because it was a late hit; if Hossa isn’t considered as just having had possession of the puck then rule 56 is broken because it was a hit to a player who doesn’t have the puck. Doesn’t really matter which one is the case, either way its interference (in addition to the several other things it was: charging for leaving the feet and an illegal hit to the head). Tom, I couldn’t tell if you were confused about whether a late hit is a penalty–it is, it falls under interference. There’s not a separate rule against late hits, it’s a type of interference like leaving the feet is a type of charging. Rule 56 (the rule on interference) is specifically designed to include late hits. Here’s what 56 says about puck possession:

    “Possession of the Puck: The last player to touch the puck, other than the goalkeeper, shall be considered the player in possession. The player deemed in possession of the puck may be checked legally, provided the check is rendered immediately following his loss of possession.”

    You and JS seem to be arguing about whether Hossa should be considered as having *just* had the puck such that the hit would be late under this stipulation of 56. With how quickly the hit came after Hossa lost the puck I tend to think it was, but this is a silly issue to debate. Either way the hit was interference; the puck was touched by two people after Hossa and before Torres makes contact. Torres is back checking straight north-south up the ice when the puck is knocked from Hossa’s stick, and Torres doesn’t alter his course to commit to checking Hossa until Hoss had already lost possession. That’s brutal.

    For anyone worried about whether the suspension will be fair–don’t worry, it will be. This is a black and white grossly illegal hit by a serial offender. The only nuance to discuss might be whether the head was the principle point of contact, since there is also a lot of body contact in the check in addition to the clear shoulder to jaw. I’m not sure how the NHL is defining “principle point of contact” these days, so that will be interesting to see.

  56. AJ says:

    “JS, late by what rule? There is no rule that is designated as a “late hit”. What rule are you talking about? The rule is INTERFERENCE! I’ve never called a late hit penalty in my life. You said, “late hit by rule”…….what rule? You sound like Shanahan……dazed and confused.”

    Anything over half a second is considered “late” by previous NHL rulings. Read a book… Seriously…

  57. bct27 says:

    Oh, I was multitasking and didn’t refresh before getting back to submitting that comment. JS–you beat me to the punch on quoting rule 56 there. Tom is obviously right, you don’t call “late hit”; you call interference, and you do so because the hit was late.

    Tom–it sounds like you’re a ref, so I’m guessing you know “late hit” is common parlance for breaking the puck possession clause in rule 56. Why are you so averse to calling the Torres hit late? You’d put interference on the score sheet, but the announcers would say “interference for a late hit.” It’s the lateness that makes it a breakage of rule 56. If Hossa still had the puck when the hit occurred (or if the hit occurred “immediately” after he lost it), then it wouldn’t be interference. Since the hit was late, it was interference.

  58. Gou says:

    The main point is this was a blow to the head. The mandible is a main part of the head and a direct blow to the mandible tees up the concussion.

    Ask Jordan Eberle, Jan Hejda, Nate Prosser, Andrew Ferrence, and Brent Seabrook. All targets from this cancer that needs to be cleaned up.

    As we all have stated we have watched played and in some cases had the chance to ref this beautiful game. Never has there been such disrespect and disregard to players across the league and we are only in the first few games of round 1.

    If you enjoy or wish to defend this type of hit, I suggest the WWF.

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