Blackhawks Hammered In Arizona

The Blackhawks lost their third straight game on Thursday night. They faced a team that hadn’t been playing especially well lately and got skated out of the rink in the opening 20 minutes.

Everyone in Arizona was stressing to the media that the Coyotes needed a fast start. If the Blackhawks – and their coaches – paid attention, they would have known the home team was going to come out fast and hard.

The Blackhawks were out-shot 17-10 in the first period.

Michael Grabner and Clayton Keller gave Arizona a two-goal lead five minutes into the game and the end result was all but secured for the Coyotes. Brad Richardson added his first of the year 15 minutes into the game and Chicago was chasing three on the road.

Jonathan Toews cut the lead to two six minutes into the second period but Nick Schmaltz extended it back to three less than three minutes later.

The Blackhawks were getting out-shot 27-21 after 40 minutes.

Surely the Hawks would fight back in the third, right?

Arizona out-shot the Hawks 13-9 in the third. The final score was 5-2 thanks to a Dylan Strome power play goal in the third period.

After the game coach Jeremy Colliton said he didn’t think the Blackhawks’ energy was a problem. If it wasn’t, the 40-30 shot advantage the Coyotes had at home and the blowout final score indicate either the Hawks’s system is broken or the players simply aren’t good enough. Maybe both?

Dennis Gilbert had another strong game and picked up his first career NHL point with an assist. He was also credited with four hits in 14:25.

Toews had a good game up front, winning 10 of 15 faceoffs and scoring his seventh of the year in a forward-leading 21:02.

The line of Strome, Patrick Kane and Alex DeBrincat had a rough night. Kane was credited with one shot on net and was minus-three in 20:23. Strome won four of 17 faceoffs with his late power play goal and was minus-three as well. DeBrincat skated 18:30 with one assist and two shots on net. He was minus-four.

Matthew Highmore skated 8:19. David Kampf skated 9:20 and won four of five faceoffs.

Olli Maatta returned from the flu and skated 22:24 with three shots on net, two blocked shots and three hits.

Before the game the Blackhawks placed Calvin de Haan on IR. Duncan Keith is still out because of his groin injury and Andrew Shaw is still in concussion protocol.

Kudos to Mike Gapski for working his 2,500th game – all as a member of the Chicago Blackhawks organization.

61 thoughts on “Blackhawks Hammered In Arizona

  1. In relevant portion, Lehner stated after the game:

    It’s hard to come back against them (Arizona) “THEY’RE A WELL STRUCTURED TEAM.”

    That was a polite way of him saying the Hawks are not a well structured team, or to put it bluntly, the coach sucks.

    Speaking of the coach, where is Bowman lately? Haven’t heard or seen him for quite a long while. Maybe bc the Hawks are 3-7-2 in their last 12 games, or 8/24 points.

    Good evening.

  2. From: Rockwell Wirtz
    To: Stan Bowman

    Your current position with the organization is under evaluation. I am advising as follows:

    1) Send Kirby Dach to Team Canada immediately so he is shielded from this mess or yours.

    2) Send Adam Boqvist to Rockford immediately so he is shielded from this mess of yours.

    3) You are prohibited from making any trades, firing the coach, or doing anything other than basic admin at this time.

    4) You are prohibited from blocking the crack underneath your door with a towel in case I want to slide a pink slip under it like my daddy did when he sacked Billy Reay.

    Best Regards,

    Rocky

  3. I fast-forward thru games now because they are so bad and I dont anyt to waste my time. Something has to change, and soon. I dont k ow what the right moves are but they need something way different than what they have now.

  4. Game was over in the first 10 minutes.

    Pretty obvious. If the goal is to sneak into the 8th playoff spot, then Pete DeBoer and his staff should be flying first class right now to Chicago. This is an absolute gift to the Hawks. A Conference Final and Stanley Cup Final Coach who is available.

    A loss to St. Louis Saturday. A loss to Minnesota Sunday. DeBoer introduced Monday morning. Merry Christmas Hawk Fans.

    If the goal is race to the bottom. Keep Colliton and sell at the deadline for a boat load of draft picks.

    The best news to come out of the game tonight was when Pat Foley revealed that Coyotes GM John Chayka says his team is so good, he will be forced to add players at the deadline. Hawks have plenty of mediocre players to sell at higher prices.
    The trade deadline is for sellers.

  5. Jordy – classic. And all true.

    Based on early returns, too bad Bowman didn’t trade Boqvist to Buffalo instead. Or better yet, why was the trade made in the first place?

    Speaking of trades, Kahun is playing very well in Pittsburgh lately. On a non essential cap hit. Low budget player w high end production lately.

    Jordy great post.

  6. That was a poorly coached group of undisciplined players playing Pond Hockey.No structure or support to whatever system they were playing.No backchecking.Everyone coasts back very softly not picking up their man.The Kane line should have had their rear ends stapled to the bench.That effort was pathetic.88 has 1 shot on goal for the night.17 halfassed it losing his check on 3 of the goals.56 and 27 can’t both be in the d core with this team.Pick 1 and put another real d man back in the lineup.McCoshen would be the choice there.Needless to say this is beyond embarrassing.Lehners comments postgame right on the money albeit very kind.I dont think work and this team belong in the same sentence.

  7. Dear Mr. Wirtz,

    Please, please, please, Pull the trigger and launch Bowman and your high school coach. The team doesn’t have a chance in this system. I believe they know it and have quit on this coach. It’s obvious he is in over his head and is being out coached every game.

  8. Great post Jordy. De Boer has stated he is taking the yr off to decompress ( making 3 mill). It would be nice to see him behind the bench. Every time I see Nylander play ( only saw the 1st period) the trade looks worse. Would have been nice to see Joki in the line up. The players have quit playing for this coach is an understatement. One more point, you can kiss Lehner signing an extension goodbye. His comments say it all

  9. There is not much to say that hasn’t been said over the past week. The one thing worth noting is that both Hawks goals occurred off rebounds. Many of us comment on how the Hawks have a tendency to over pass. Those rebounds that led to the goals were better than any passes they would make. We need to see more of that.

    I did not see the game, just the two highlights of Hawks goals. I continue to be impressed with Kubalik. I hope he was good the rest of the night. On the Strome goal, we saw what we need to see from DeBrincat. Snipe and score or snipe and generate a rebound. I guess from reading the recap, that was about the only thing that went right for that line tonight.

    If Lehner and Crow aren’t magnificent on a given night, the Hawks have little hope in that game.

  10. Foley and Konroyd brought out the solid observation about the difference in NHL experience behind the benches tonight. Arizona with Tochet.McClain.and Housley close to 3000 games of Nhl experience.Now on the Hawks bench?Well I will let you guys add them up.

  11. How many breakaway has #20 had so far this season, I guess at least 8. And the end result is always the same, either fails to get a shot off, misses the net, or shoots it straight into the goalies chest. This is what we get off 6 million a season, ” THANKS STAN ” !!!!!!!

  12. Iceman – you stated: “In relevant portion, Lehner stated after the game:

    It’s hard to come back against them (Arizona) ‘THEY’RE A WELL STRUCTURED TEAM.’”

    Why stop there? The rest of what Lehner said was far more important. Paraphrasing, he said that the Hawks have a structure, but they just don’t play it. He also claimed that it isn’t the Dmen that are the problem, it is the forwards not helping out as a unit of 5 in front of him. He remarked about all the odd man rushes against him each game, including tonight. He was right about EVERYTHING he said. It just doesn’t all fit the narrative here.

    Hey, I get it. Those comments don’t fit the running narrative that the coach is the problem and that the players are overwhelmed by a 3rd rate system. Lehner came from a team that learned structure last year and helped to resurrect his career. Yes, a different coach: older, more experience and more earned respect. But at some point the players need to play instead of whine and do that stupid PALMS UP crap. I’m betting Konroyd was doing the palms up while whining about the officials tonight. And then of course with him being the VP of the Duncan Keith Fan Club (Eddie O will always be President), he stated that it would be a lot better if Keith was back. Why? It wasn’t any better while he was here earlier in the year. He’s usually the cause of the odd man breaks!

    The coach tried to coach by benching Seabrook, but calling out players making too many millions in front of fans that admire them is never gonna be a winning strategy for him. He relented, and gave the players the ability to have it their way, and here we are. And by the way, Seabrook is actually playing better.

    Staple Kane’s line to the bench for not trying to play at all in the game? This board would be lit up like a Christmas tree, screaming that you can’t bench your best line when you are losing. BAD COACH.

    I sincerely hope that the trades start before I get up on Friday. Back the truck up. And dump 2 of the core players (frankly I don’t care which). Ah, that’s the hard part because of some major contract issues done out of loyalty, which now appears to only flow in one direction.

    Then fire the coach and GM. Because they both deserve it too.

    Oh, I heard a report that Kane walked over to the Arizona dressing room after the game. He asked Schmaltz if he could have his jock back. It was a half-assed effort, which is actually half more than he usually puts out on the defensive side of the rink. Ask Robin Lehner.

    That goal off the face-off was the dagger. Thanks for the half of an effort Patty.

  13. Am too tired to write anything other than giving Jordy a shutout for a great post. Also so many others with excellent posts lately about the state of this club and the way forward. Good night!

  14. This team has no leadership on the ice.The 2 franchise forwards 19 and 88 are concerned with their number of Goals period.They are front runners.They give effort when it is convenient for them or they are being thoroughly embarrassed and even then its a coin flip.Your other NHL Forward out there #20 is a 3rd line winger making 1st line winger money and wants no part of placing himself in areas where he might get hit.You just handed #12 6 million a year.You are on the verge of handing #17 well over 5 million a year.Just taking their last 2 games they are averaging 2 shots on goal and are on the ice for the bulk of the opponents goals.In 2 games against Arizona this week 88 has 1 shot on goal.Arizona,s rookie had 9 shots on goal tonight by himself.The rest of your forwards would have a difficult time making any other teams roster save #77 who you are in the process of destroying.I agree 5,6,7,39 this mess is not your fault.27 is a dumpster fire of a D-Man.A Norris Trophy winning Superman of a defense man is needed to play next to him at this point.#56 i wont waste words on.Silent,that Palms Up Crap has been the tale of both 19 and 88s career.They were guided by strong personalities and a lot of quality veterans during the Cup runs.Now they are in charge and doing things their way.How do you like it?

  15. Dumping on 88 and 19? That is pathetic! Dumping should only be directed at Stan Bowman for his miserable management skills, his arrogance, and his lack of vision. He is a poser! Strome will be out of the NHL very soon while Nick Schmaltz will be a star. We all know what Kane thought of that trade. Schmaltz is miles and miles ahead of Strome in talent. NO CONTEST !!!
    But Bowman and Gauthier beg to differ. Right? Players like Nylander who couldn’t make a bad Sabres team! Strome who was a 4th line centre. Teuvo, Danault, Panarin, etc…And by the way, Boqvist is a lightweight, Mitchell is small and so is Beaudin! More suspect drafting!
    Bring in the HUNTER family or DeBOER and name a new GM!
    The Lehner signing was a waste of time and money. He is gone soon! And JC benching Toews and Seabs this season, who the f__k does he think he is! SOOOOOOOOO DISRESPECTFUL! No one wants to play for this clown.

  16. There are 6 dmen in a starting lineup. In the last 10 years with 3 cups, we have lost more forwards than dmen especially the last 4 years. Yet, Bowman drafted 4 dmen the last 2 seasons in the first 2 rounds ( we lost TVR, Oduya, and the Hammer). Meanwhile, since 2015, we’ve lost TEUVO, HOSSA, DANAULT, LADD, SAAD, PANARIN, SHAW, VERSTEEG, BICKELL, SHARP, RICHARDS, VERMETTE, KRUGER, The HAMMER, DESJARDINS, ANISIMOV, SCHMALTZ, DUCLAIR, PERLINI, PANIC, and ANDREW SHAW for example and added Strome, Dcat, Kampf, Sikura, Highmore, Carpenter, Smith , Kublik, Nylander, Wedin, and Murphy!!!
    Case closed!

  17. There is really nothing more say except that at least ex-Hawks are playing well throughout the NHL. I guess when you have a real coach, real structure, and a real scheme, our players are actually pretty good. Their successes just magnify our dysfunction. I am done posting until McDonough, StanB, and Colliton are out!

  18. I actually heard Foley mention in the 3rd period of the Vegas game that the Hawks coach did not attempt to switch any of the lines to get things going offensively. Not a big thing but first time I heard any type of JC negativity.

  19. Agree with Bobby9-Nylander when he cares looks like an NHLer, when he doesn’t it’s hard to stomach. 88 coming back is funny to watch as he pretends to care about defense-(2 of their most talented forwards)

    Message-88 and 19 quite whining and start remembering the crest on your jersey and oh yah the 10 500 000$ million reasons to suck it up and play.

    YES GM needs to go, and this person picks their coach. But for these players to give this effort the last couple of games-they should be ashamed. Firing just the coach gives the message that a. players are good enough to compete and b. they are off the hook for their inconsistent, poor play to this point.

    Reg-ugly and not worth watching.

  20. With the way we play for, half, the games and how good we should be this yr with better players then the last two yrs.

    I turn it off if other team scores first and check website score. If we tie it or better I turn it back on otherwise.

    This is first yr since 2009 I havnt watched every min of every period (radio when I am driving on the road) and every post game show and every interview with players everyday of the wk.

  21. STAN TO DO LIST BEFORE CHRISTMAS(IF HE’S NOT FIRE)

    – FIRE COLLITON
    – TRADE GUSTAFSSON FOR ANYTHING

  22. At this rate, the next “One last shift” promo should feature Burke Henry. He was on the team the last time they were this awful.

  23. I give all of you credit for hanging in there and watching the whole game last night after it was 2-0 I had enough and turned it off. A major city team has a minor league coaching staff……Can we just switch lineups with the Ice Hogs?
    Looking forward to watching just a few minutes Saturday against the Blues until the Blues run them out of the rink.

  24. One you guys posted about the Kimmo trade a few posts ago. I can’t get this move off my mind. Nice story, classy guy but I don’t remember him being the guy getting us over top in 15. You have enough veteran leadership already in the room that have won, twice.
    However, if you think you need him, ok. But giving the Flyers 2 second round picks when you KNOW you will be drafting very low for a while was reckless and fiscally irresponsible when you’re already against the cap. Those picks are like gold.

    Not the whole reason as to why the Hawks are in this position but does give some insight to the thought process.

  25. Gotta straighten out the coaching and front office mess first. Let the new regime assess what players are of value, agree former players seem ok in other teams fold, also current core was fine under a good coach. Boqvist is an offensive minded player, so expect to give on the defensive zone to take advantage of that. In time that part should work itself out. The thing i don’t like seeing is his poor decisions on basic plays, hopefully confidence fixes that but makes you wonder on his hockey IQ.

  26. Dear Santa:
    Besides what the others on this forum suggest ( fire Bowman and Colliton- bring in “professionals” in both those positions)
    & trade Gus for a skid of sticks or a bag of pucks…
    PLEASE:
    1. Pull the “high paid”, whining leaders aside- read them the riot act and remind them that LEADERS LEAD
    2. Give the young guns a chance- 7,8,9 minutes per game is NOT “a chance” to showcase their abilities …and bring up more of them- especially’D’
    3. Limit the veterans to 15 mins per game- they look/act sluggish and worn out
    4. Bench those that:
    a. Continue to play one way only
    b. Are out for just a skate- but won’t make physical contact or go to the front of the net!
    c. Allow opponents to go ‘unharmed’ to the front of OUR net
    d. Can’t score- even if they HAD the puck on their stick

    And Santa- please protect our goalies- most nights they ARE the best players on the Hawks roster!!
    Merry Christmas

  27. @Craig – I’m with you – as soon as DeBoer was fired I thought the same as you – perfect timing for the Hawks – hire him immediately and bring his staff too

    However the chances of Stan firing JC is close to zero IMO unless Rocky tells him to do it or lose his job

    I posted on last thread that DCat’s penalty after 10 secs. when you consider the problems the Hawks have had with penalties early in games recently was the equivalent of saying ‘I’m not listening to the catch’ – I think it’s indicative of what’s going on in the room

    They don’t respect him and they’re not listening

    They need a change – unless I’m missing some incident of abuse from his past I think DeBoer would be perfect but I’m not optimistic that it’ll happen

  28. and just to put an exclamation point on DCat’s attitude he chalked up an impressive -4 in the game to lead the Hawks in that department

    This is going to get really ugly if they don’t make a change

  29. Against the Blues tomorrow night just put 19 and 88 together,maybe 4 palms up will overwhelm the refs and get them the calls,with 8.Place 77 on the 2nd line with 36 and 22.3rd line of 64.20 and 15.And your reconstructed 4th line of 17.12 and 92 giving them the appropriate 8 minutes of ice.That should get your goals against down.

  30. When the Hawks are on a losing streak you never see or hear from Bowman. I hope that clown trades Lehner if he won’t sign a contract before the trade deadline.

  31. Wrap, Craig, was reading on Bettmans new rules after Peters incident, bringing in a coach in season from outside is probably mostly going to be a thing of the past due to time frames involved in it now. Look at Flames, Stars, Sharks all promote from within to circumvent that part and deal with permanent replacement in off season when time allows the propper chance for background searches and contacting all former employees in about incidenrs if any arose.

  32. Hull 65 agree with your comments. Bring in new management and let them evaluate the team . As for Boquist the red flag IMO is in Junior hockey last yr , Hunter would bench him late in the game ( during playoffs) if they were in the lead. That doesn’t say much for his defensive skills. Hope I am wrong and he develops that part of his game

  33. Well I slept in today. Did we trade anyone yet?

    WHY NOT?

    Start with 88 or 19.

    I want leaders on this team. Not whiners. You are paid to do a job.

  34. Eh, I get that Bowman made some moves that did not work out and that has contributed to our current state but I also know that this kind of fall is inevitable. Hard cap, years of drafting late, making trades to “win now” all were big contributors to where we are now. You can’t keep your youngsters and win now, not possible. Not saying that Bowman didn’t make some mistakes, he did, but a lot of this is simply the consequence of being the best for a long time. I don’t think that is mentioned enough here.

    Most of the bitching I hear about Bowman sounds like guys who never liked him and are able to be vocal about it now because the Hawks are no longer elite. No one is saying that Bowman is perfect, but this Hawks team is not just on his shoulders. If the Core were playing up to their cap hits, this team would be a playoff team as constructed.

    The Hawks have a lot of young players who are still developing. DeBrincat, Strome, Dach, and Nyolander are all 22 or younger. None are close to hitting their potential. Kubalik and Kampf are 24 and Kubalik is a rookie. Great for a young team looking to become better, but not good for a team that expects to win now. Toews, Keith and Co need to accept that this is a developmental roster even if it isn’t a developmental league…

    Personally I don’t have nearly as much of an issue with Bowman as the majority of posters here seem to have. But I also have a hard time watching the product on the ice right now. Maybe replacing the GM is the right move to make right now, but honestly until the Core agree to waive their NMC’s the new GM’s hands will be tied. Nothing the Hawks can do to fix this mess without being able to trade their most valuable assets. If Keith and co. are as fed up with Bowman as some of you suggest, they do have an option. They can waive their NMC’s and ask to be moved. If they don’t want to be involved in this mess, request a trade. Otherwise, they need to shut the hell up and play better. The blame for this stinking mess goes farther than one man.

  35. Ian would the new rules apply to a recently fired coach such as DeBoer. He was fired over hockey related issues. I would imagine the hawks could hire him immediate

  36. Still think we don’t have a shot at the #1 draft pick?

    Will McD or SB ever make any public statements about this shitshow or is McD too busy planning another brilliant “One Last Shift” for Brandon Bollig and Slater Koekok. No one told him Koekok is still on the team.

  37. You can change coaches and trade players but it doesn’t deal with the real issue of the amount of long-term dollars tied up in a core that isn’t good enough any more. Sadly I don’t see a short term answer to this.

  38. Bobby i believe its’s a due dilligence required for any new coaching hires not previously in your organizatiion.

    Miroslav agree, i don’t believe Bowman had much say in the big contracts and the nmcs clauses. That seems more likely owner and a marketing influence in those decisions. As you say he certainly isn’t perfect and a change is provably for the best right now, but every Gm has their moves that didn’t work that the haters can cherry pick.

  39. MS you are right-no easy fix here.

    A couple of people have brought up the Debrincat penalty. I’m not a guy that worries about the calls as they even out and there is no conspiracy theory going on-

    but that was a questionable call in the middle of the two blue lines 10 seconds into the game, it wasn’t a possible injury or a possible scoring chance (it was a weak, unnecessary call)–more importantly it wasn’t a indication that he coach has lost the room.

    (Not saying he hasn’t lost some of them, because it does happen)

  40. Go back 5 or 6 years when the Blackhawks were the cream of the league.
    It’s fairly obvious as i think Original stated having the Jerseys of the players who are heroes of the cup runs and are going to be hanging in the rafters someday locked up long term to finish their careers as Blackhawks is a must from a marketing standpoint more than it is a solid hockey decision by a Gm. Hard to believe Bowman made those calls on his own, unless he was pressured by his bosses to get it done on those terms.

  41. Tab – I think we all know that 19 and 88 won’t get moved. But something needs to be done to get the control of the play on ice back to the people running the team and to get the players responsible for that play on the ice, including effort. There is no accountability on the ice because there is no player respect for the management of the players (thinking coaching here), and the attempt by the management to gain control (benching players, changing lines) was criticized by the players without a response from upper management. JC has been put out there to dangle on his own and fail, which he has – by all accounts – done.

    The common order kept within an organization does not exist in Chicago right now, and management better start figuring it out soon, or this shit show as it is commonly called, will because toxic for the more casual fan base because of the product on the ice itself.

    Coaches are paid to coach. JC needs to do what is necessary to control his team, regardless of how the players like it. Staple the one way players to the bench – I’m good with that. Wanna whine all the time? Do it from the press box. Gain control.

    Players are paid to play, and some of them to lead. Few are playing to their capability, and even more are failing to lead, either through example or by getting in the face of bad actors.

    If management doesn’t like the results of his coaching, then they get to choose whether it is the players or the coach that is the problem. Then take steps to adjust from there, or the owner needs to step in and make some tough choices.

    We may not see tough choices at any level until the fan base quits showing up. I don’t believe the players will ever give this coach a chance (right or wrong about their opinion).

    This reminds me of the Toronto fiasco as Shanahan was taking control. Players didn’t like a coach. Management changes coach. Players go from playoff seed to top five draft pick. Shanahan tells fans to turn their heads for next couple of years and tells players to be packed for a change of playing location.

    Action is necessary. Time we started looking like Toronto instead of the Chicago shit show.

  42. I agree with you, Miroslav. Everybody complaining about the GM have seemingly forgotten that he won 3 cups. GM has made some bad moves for sure. Not saying he is blameless, but trying to manage the salary cap and trying to stay competitive has caught up with the franchise. This team is bad and the coach seems to be really bad. It’s going to take a long time before this team becomes competitive again. Regardless of who the GM or coach is. I see others are now sharing my view that 27 is less than advertised. He’s young, but he has bust written all over him at this time.

  43. Silent spot. With regards to Toronto, things changed when they got rid of their entire management team. Shanahan came in as president. Lamarello, Hunter and Dubas as Gm and Babcock as coach. That is how you start to get rid of the shit show.

  44. Hey Miroslav, before you anoint Stain Blowman get your facts in order. He is no way responsible for 3 cups. Core was set before he took over. Yeah he made a tweak here or there for the other 2 but he is in no way the architect of this teams 3 cups. You can see what his body of work is by himself is, decimated team and no coaching staff. Step off the Blowman gravy train, it leads down the toilet.

  45. Same goes for you Ted Langly. You 2 must be “recent” Blackhawks fans and have not followed this team very much.

  46. Bobby – yes Shanahan was part of a mass change there, but was early in that process. He got Carlyle out for the players and was the henchman for the episode.

    But your point about a major/mass change – I agree is now needed here. I feel that the players are receiving a big pass for blame by this board. Ultimately, they are responsible for their own play. At least I feel they should be.

    There have been teams in all sports that have competed and even won championships while players didn’t agree with their coach.

  47. Tab,I have not seen many people here suggesting the trades of 19 and 88.We all know that would never be considered.I see people correctly assessing their current play and leadership.If you bring in the right Coaching staff and players who play the game hard and structured 19 and 88 would be put in line by the Coaches and shouted down by the players in the room.Remember in their younger days they were kept in line and sat on the bench when warranted.

  48. Silent i’m not giving the players a pass and making them blameless. Just believe off ice personnel getting an overhaul being done first is best.

    Whoever is brought in to fill the President and or Gm position will need to share the owners vision on how this team will proceed and what tough decisions are needed, type of coach to get it done etc. Ultimately Wirtz wanted those big long term deals and any move to waive those clauses to move them, will have to go through Wirtz’s approval first. As for those players looking at their frustration and lack of urgency, doesn’t appear they would want to stay if they were made to feel unwanted in a rebuilding move.

  49. Let’s not lose our heads. These players are professional hockey players and they do have pride. They care, believe me, THEY CARE. They are just not good as a team. Too many young players who do not know their position, do not back check with authority and are confused because they have a coach that has no idea of how to adjust during a game. He is NOT an NHL coach.

    So we really need to clean house. Stan has to go, player development has to be revamped and the coaches need to be fired and the right group needs to be brought in. The only way that you will know if Stan has any respect in the league is that when he gets fired, how long will he be on the open market. I really think that once he is gone he will be forgotten by the NHL very quickly.

  50. Right, Jim. Stan had nothing to do with winning 3 cups. Brilliant. Recent fan? You’re the one who seems to have forgotten the recent past.

  51. but that was a questionable call in the middle of the two blue lines 10 seconds into the game, it wasn’t a possible injury or a possible scoring chance (it was a weak, unnecessary call)

    Thats got shady written all over it.

  52. What’s shady about putting your stick into someone’s skates/legs and making them fall? It’s called a penalty.

    I’m willing to bet that everyone on this board would be screaming if that happened to Patty Kane and it didn’t get called.

    Don’t want to get called for that kind of penalty – move your feet not your hands to play defense. Simple. Therein lies the problem – moving your feet takes effort.

  53. Bingo Silent!!!It is an undersized lazy team that has their feet stuck in cement and does a lot of reaching and phantom stick checking.Along with no in game adjustments or corrections of bad play by the Coach.

  54. Not even close there Ted, you’re obviously delusional. Stand by my statement that Stan has virtually nothing to do with the 3 cups and definitely the first one. Again, look at his body of work since he took over. You can argue the salary cap, but guess what, he’s the one that gave out those stupid contracts and NMC’s. Been a fan for over 40 years, seen a lot of teams and team chemistry and bad coaches and bad GM’s (Pulford). Seen it before and seeing it now, clueless management. Ted you can keep Stan and think he’s great and responsible for 3 cups but you’re DEAD WRONG. He was along for the ride based on his daddy’s name. Wake up!!

  55. Let’s see how many assists did VH have? Who on ar is a first liner and scored? How many defensemen of our do they have?

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