Blackhawks Hang On, Top Oilers

The Blackhawks know what they need to do if the playoffs are even a pipe dream. Regulation wins every night is the need, and Chicago had a tough test against the exciting Edmonton Oilers on Thursday night.

The Hawks came out and looked like a team that wanted it in the first period. Chicago out-shot the visitors 11-8 in the opening 20 minutes. Patrick Kane got the Hawks on the board at 14:34 into the first with his 30th of the season.

If the first period was strong, the second period was dominant. Chicago got on the board early and often in the second and didn’t give the Oilers an inch for 20 minutes. Jonathan Toews added to the Hawks’ lead 47 seconds into the second period.

Four minutes later, Alex DeBrincat scored his first of the night. Drake Cagguila was parked in front of the net providing a great screen and DeBrincat unloaded a pure shot.

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins scored Edmonton’s first goal of the night 60 seconds after DeBrincat’s goal, but the Hawks weren’t going to give the Oilers anything else the rest of the period. With seven minutes left in the second, DeBrincat ended Mike Smith’s night between the pipes.

Smith left having allowed four goals against 21 shots in 32:49. Mikko Koskinen replaced him for the rest of the night.

When the dust settled after 40 minutes of play, the Blackhawks had a 4-1 lead. Chicago out-shot Edmonton 14-4 in a penalty-free second period. The Blackhawks looked like a team on a mission for 20 minutes.

But you knew the Oilers were going to push back. Edmonton came into the game two points behind Vegas for the top spot in the Pacific Division and needed a win. Their third period push was coming. How would the Hawks respond?

Josh Archibald scored eight minutes into the third to cut the Hawks’ lead to two. Kailer Yamamoto scored 49 seconds later and suddenly the Hawks’ three-goal lead was down to one with more than 11 minutes remaining.

The Oilers kept the momentum but the Hawks held on for dear life. Corey Crawford kept making big saves down the stretch and Chicago was able to escape with a 4-3 victory.

Edmonton out-shot the Hawks 12-6 in the third period. Crawford made 21 saves against 24 shots in the game to earn the victory.

Adam Boqvist skated 14:38 and picked up two assists in the game. He was also credited with one blocked shot and two hits in the game.

Lucas Carlsson left the game after getting hit in the face with a shot. After the game, Jeremy Colliton indicated he was still under evaluation and they weren’t sure if he would be available of the game in Detroit.

Toews scored one goal and won 11 of 18 faceoffs in 19:47. He was credited with four shots on net.

DeBrincat led the Hawks with six shots on net and two goals in 14:07. He looked like the sniper from last year for the first time in a while, which is a beautiful thing.

David Kampf was minus-two in the game in 12:24 but he won seven of nine faceoffs and was credited with three hits.

Kirby Dach picked up an assist and won three of seven at the dot.

167 thoughts on “Blackhawks Hang On, Top Oilers

  1. We need a John Scott to make other team pay for it. Scoring a PP goal doesnt make them pay with there own medicine.

    2 hits to head/helmet/face in 3 games. Bring in the Hansons for next yr.

  2. That 10 day layover/those swimming breaks really cut into the day. We go 6-6-2 in those 14 games and were are tied with the top teams for 6/7/8 seed at +8 over .500 right now. These 11 games were the games could 9-2 and get right tehre.

  3. Blackhawks were better team, faster, won the puck battles, Oilers as mentioned had a push back but didn’t let that and bad pp dictate last half of 3rd. Kubalik impressing with his passes, as he gets comfortable becoming obvious he is an accomplished passer and play maker too.

  4. When 77 started out we just wanted him to not get pushed into the boards the way he was. Then were thinking he could/should be center, then people couldnt handle faceoffs. Thinking he could be 3rd line center with 88. Now since 12 17 benn serving pizzas for 40 games we did 17 88 and 12 77, whala.

    When 7 went to nurses lounge the Defense got better as a whole, nothing agasint Seabsy boy. Same thing with 15, when he went to the nurses lounge we had to put 64 to 4th line center-where he should be the whole time and whala. Took time just donot be late to the finnish line.

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  5. Phew. Late in the second I was praying they’d hang onto to that 3 goal lead going into the third cuz I wasn’t comfortable at all. I think I’d still feel uneasy with a 4 goal lead in the final 5 minutes of a game. They’ve developed a bad habit of getting lazy and complacent with multi goal leads. The Oilers first goal of the period was the direct result of a sloppy line change, and on their second goal Toews just got completely outworked by Draisaitl. Maybe I’m wrong, but its situations like these where you need your vets to step up and lead by example and not let the younger players get too comfortable. Nice to get the two points against a hot team who’s got markedly more speed, speed, and overall talent, but almost pissing away yet another multi goal lead is kind of deflating. Loved seeing Smith get yanked. I’ve hated that guy since the 2011 playoffs. Likely won’t pick up any ground tonight, either. Preds won and as of now the Wild lead the Sharks in the second. Can’t overlook Detroit on Friday, either. IIRC, they jumped out to a quick 2-0 lead against the Hawks a couple months ago before the boys woke up and started playing hockey. The playoffs are still likely a long shot at best, but at least they’re playing meaningful games late in the season, which should help the rookies with their development.

  6. Cagguila work in front of net directly responsible for Debrincats goals, well done, that line of Cagguila, Dach and Debrincat looked good tonight.

  7. Every win we pick up ground. We need to get to +8 or more to be there and need those teams to go up higher then 8. Two can but not a third team.

    6/7/8
    CAG 9
    VAN 8
    NAS 7 (was at 9 lost 3)
    MIN 7
    WIN 6
    ARI 6
    CHI 3

    Top 3 get in. I still donot think we do it. We do that 9-2 area in these 11 games and were right there, with 7 games to go.

  8. Smith was swimming in the ice pool for the first 2 goals. Out 5 feet out of the net. Thank you, Mike.

  9. Ian – 91 was sensational with his effort all over the ice. AHLers once again getting the job done. Dcat was awaken. BDT.

    Dach needs to keep taking faceoffs. Figure it out. Get some confidence.

    James Kneel looked outstanding. ECHL maybe……

  10. Wow, Moors. The Hansen Brothers- Charleston Chiefs. I know where your going. We really need a Reeves type ( who can play)…and 1 or 2 more that can do reprisals. It is clear the last few games the boys are playing “freer”-like mill pond hockey free. With the skill guys we “do” have, maybe the boys just told themselves “F” it- we’re going to just play & forget about “ systems”, positioning- attack!!! How cool to watch.

  11. Sloppy 3rd but all in all a very well played and entertaining game. Fun.

    I saw what I wanted to see in the game which is the same thing I want to see in every game down the stretch which is continued improvement in Dach and Boqvist as well as more consistency in our other 3 young guys – Cat, Strome and Nylander. Those 5 guys are going to be my main focus for the 15 games that are left in the season. All five of those guys are in the stage of development where large incremental steps are possible, especially Dach and Boqvist who still have a lot of physical maturing to do.

  12. Not trying to blame things, I cant stand getting hit in head/helmet/face and not nail the bastard back the same way. I donot care anymore about penalty/suspension/instigator/score on PP/win game, I want retaliatory punished back to the same players the same way he hit our guy.

    Nail the bastards.

  13. Mo thought Kassian gave Crawford a cheap shot with his foot intentionally. No retaliation either.

    EB liked the play of the young guys tonight, but Nylander undoes all his good with his poor effort on Oilers first goal. Unfortunately that seems to be what you get with him. Don’t mind mistakes but not trying on plays that get the team in trouble is unacceptable.

  14. Very nice win against a hot team.Great awareness of McDavid as he was pretty much taken out of the game by a team defense that gave him no room and did not turn the puck over to him.The 1st goal is the result of 2 rookies,Nylander soft on the boards and then Carlsson had a golden opportunity to knock Nugent-Hopkins into tomorrow before he got rid of his shot.He is so worried about the man coverage that he has tunnel vision and does not help out.91 and 12 were at their best.They dominated all night.The top 2 lines played great hockey for 2 and half periods.Crawford was rock solid.I think you have to roll him back out there tomorrow night as much as I hate to see it.Subban is an unknown and even with a small chance for the playoffs you got to keep pushing.Some cheap nonsense was missed by the refs.The punch in the face to 22 and the elbow to the face of 5 were easy calls to make and were let go.You guys know where I stand about what is necessary.

  15. Good post ER. This is truly a fantastic scenario. Dach, Boqvist, Strome, DeBrincat, Nylander, Carlsson, Kampf, Caggulia, Murphy, Kubalik, Kookoo, all gaining confidence in meaningful games.
    If they get into the playoffs : great. If they don’t. The off season will be full of optimism. Win/win.

  16. @Tim W

    I couldn’t believe Carlsson let RNH just take that shot completely uncontested like that. He literally just watched him do it. As far as Crow, I thought he looked a little slow tonight. Work load might be getting to him. He had some nice saves late, but far from his best. I’d probably go with Subban against Detroit. Gotta see what they’ve got in him at some point, so might as well let him get the nod against a pitiful Detroit team who’s scored like 30 less goals than the next closest team. I’d rather Crow be refreshed and 100% for the Blues on Sunday. The Hawks should be able to beat the Red Wings if they used Scott Foster for the entire game. They’re that bad. Only thing that worries me is we’ve gas a tendency to play down to lower teams, and we’ll be on the second of a back to back, 3 games in 4 days, abs Detroit has been off since Monday. Still, these are teams you can’t lose to when you’re fighting for a playoff spot.

  17. If Carlsson is out which I hope he’s not, then play Seeler to even the score if necessary. Great win for sure with Dcat coming alive and 91 all over the ice doing what is needed. Tired of seeing our Hawks getting mauled without sending a message.

  18. Tim making a bad choice like Carlsson did on 1st goal is something that can be learned and better ones made, that’s just shit happens with young players. Entirely different than Nylander giving up the puck to avoid contact instead of trying to get it out, then stand and watch Oiler player take puck back down low without doing anything. That’s not a bad choice, it’s no desire to try.

  19. Silent, good reminder that although a few on the site have sold Caggs skills short (some way short), he’s quick, a good skater, fearless, and has better hands that most of the bottom 6 in the NHL.
    Where he ends up in the line up who knows but he belongs in the NHL.

  20. @IDC. Hawks are sending a message. Abuse us and we won’t do a damn thing about it except for palms up bitching.

    @Ian. Glad someone else mentioned the Crow cheap shot. What does it say about team leadership when you do not protect your #1 goalie. I’m still waiting for the Malikin rebuttal. I also think Pat needs to get his eyes checked…”blow out” really

  21. Thankful they won. If the Oil started earlier with the nastiness would have been probably a different out come. The question is where do you put the muscle and who do you take out?
    8 19 20
    88 17 92
    12 77 91/Martin
    22/Martin. 64 36/Reeves

    Would rather have the muscle spread out over 2 lines maybe find a third also.

  22. @ Craig : “If they get into the playoffs; great. If they don’t. The off season will be full of optimism. Win/win”
    ^^^
    This, this a million times this! Let the kids play and gain confidence, even if mistakes are made.

    Anyone else hold their breath the last 8 minutes of the game?

    Seeing that twatwaffle Mike Smith get yanked and go nuclear down the tunnel gave me great joy.

  23. 2 27/46 to learn from 2
    5 68
    55 39 when retaliation is needed

    Also in Tuesday’s I attended saw Strome give a couple of nice cross checks to whom ever hit Kane late in the game. Can’t remember a fight Strome has been in. At 6’3″ 200lbs can he be a Clark Gillies 6’3″ 210lbs? If he’s half of a Gillies that would be awesome.

    LoL, Stef on your last paragraph!

    Also since we played against the great James “The Heel Kneel” Neal 5.75 mil gets you 19 goals for, 10 assist for 29 points. A minus -23, so on the ice for 52 goals against in only 52 games.

    DCat 18 24=42, -10 so 42 ga 67 gm .778mil

    Strome 12 25=37, 0, 37 ga 55 gm .863mil

    Hylander 9 15=24, -3 27ga 62 gm .863mil

    Dach 8 14=22 0, 22ga 61 gm .925mil

    Kube 29 16=43 +3 42ga 65 gm .925mil

    For 6mil Saad 20 11=31 +1 42ga 65 gm

  24. Kubalik was awesome in the first period. Knocked that puck out of the air, like he did on that goal he scored a few weeks ago, and this time he set up Saad. Also had other good plays. You knew Kubalik’s goal scoring would cool down. Saad has run in to some tough times. He’s playing well but we’ve seen this many times where he loses his ability to score after doing everything else right. Caggiula was great the whole game. He does more than stand in front of the net. Hopefully, he can be signed for a reasonable amount.

    Dach looks very poised and is making some great set ups. He also emerges with pucks where you thought he would not. Last night was the $6 million DeBrincat that we knew has been lurking. He still makes us nervous wrecks when he is skating with the puck or trying to pass it. But when he snipes like that, it is a wonderful thing. Once again, kudos to Caggs.

    You would think they have to play Subban tonight. This is not a league anymore where you can ride one goalie every night, although teams do it in the playoffs. There are no back to backs in the playoffs.

    Best guess is that they will start to lose more of these meaningful games, as has been their pattern in recent years. If they don’t, it means things are changing for the better. Not sure many of us are convinced of that yet.

  25. Stephanie-your post is “ hockey” to my ears! The Hawks right now have enough skill players. “IF we make Seeler & Gilbert regulars they can each be paired with a skill guy-I.e.-Boqvist & Dunc. If a team starts gooning it up ( like oilers last night), send them out as a pair for reprisal-even if for one shift. That leaves 3 D spots. I love Caggs- Cat-Dach as a line. They are all hockey players. That means constructing a 4th line. Enter Entwhistle-?-? As 4th line. The boys r much better in transition & attacking last 4 games. The beauty of it can be viewed-on 17’s 2nd goal v Ducks, 88 didn’t know when he crossed the blue what was going to happen BUT-he stopped to give himself space. He “ felt” his pass in an instant. 17 “ felt” it too-17 drove the net-pass-shoot-score! 88-17-92 should be called The Coneheads. Ditto Caggs goal from Boqvist-Dach. When Dach skated across the middle he didn’t know exactly what was going to happen. He was just attacking. Dach sees Bocquist, Boq sees Caggs- pass-shoot- score! Coneheads 2. “THAT”-THAT young Stephanie is what we’re watching-creative- free-attack mill pond hockey. There is JOY in that. Let the F’ing horses run. We just need 2-3 drop the Glover’s.

  26. The other impressive part of Dach’s growth is the confidence from the coach to put him out at the end of a critical game. He is stronger defensively right now than Strome. I don’t get those who think he would be better served playing against 16 and 17 year olds in the WHL. His growth this year has been huge – thank the stars for moving up in the lottery.

  27. HHNL would’ve loved to see some accountability on that Crawford play. The flip side though is that has been Oilers key to turning games around this year, Kassian and few others start the cheap shots and don’t get called but retaliation does and Oilers kill on the pp. Not taking penalties and putting too much pressure on pk and keeping 97 and 29 from playing 5 on 4 hockey was the key to victory too. Finding that happy medium is the key, command respect without letting goon hockey be a your downfall.

  28. HHNL, I didnt see that part of the game otherwise I would have. I did in the last thread before this thread was launched. About the head/helmet/face contact and I donot care anymore about ref/league/penaltys/suspensions/scoring on the PP if called-like when winning the game. I want to nail the bastards back-in the same exact way they hit our guys. Thats the punishment those players deserve.

    We eve seen the league not suspend for the proper amount of games. So then they cant suspend our guys for hitting back-more then other temas.

    Only thing I can think of is our guys donot want it to tun into a boxing match and then out top skill players are targeted more then already.

    Thats why we need the Hansons.

  29. Duncan Keith giveaway night had him see 27 minutes of ice time.
    I’d like to see Saad in the playoffs. How about you?

  30. When they do suspensions they should be lighter on the guy that retaliates because he wouldnt do it if it wernt for the cheapshot/pansy player to begin with.

    I know refs have to because of rules. If refs donot follow the rules themseleves then we need to take care of our own business.

    We get the Hansons and the other teams will know that any cheapshot will be done back to them and they know its coming-just not when. Sort of like how other teams do these dirty hits on us and know we wont hit back.

    Thats even more coward on the other teams to know they can be cheap pansys because they wont get hit back. It takes a man to do a cheap shot and know your getting the same exact thing done to you-just wait for it. Maybe wait a little to give it back so it disturbs them during the game.

  31. I am waiting for the Milkin payback. Maybe Crow is waiting until he closer to retireing and trip Malkin legs and he flying head first into borads and breaks his neck. He tried to end Crows career he needs the same. Just like that Torres Fukker.

  32. @Ian nailed it, its all about respect.

    JC does not command respect. He does not even call the refs over to explain the situation or to inform them via the crotch grab that he disagrees with the call. He is on the pay no mind list.

    Opponents do not respect the Hawks PP. Hawks just do not score enough.

    Hawks team is soft and opponents know that they can change to trajectory of the game by getting physical with the Hawks. The Hawks do not push back.

    The refs do not respect the Hawks, especially when they bitch too much at the dot. You won’t get those borderline calls if you just chewed the ref out for his inability to drop the puck for the faceoff.

    It all adds up. Opponents can get away with the dirty play and they know it.

  33. Roamn, those stats are even more flawed in showing that Neal is overrated. Hes on a team that was +13 and we were +2 at the time. That makes those stats even worse for him.

    Robs, after the first 30? games-when we did play 50/50 of the time. We were on a roll going 12-5-2, during that part we did ‘it means things are changing for the better’ then. Then we had the 10 daylayover and that tripped us up. Instead of at least 6-6-2 then we were like 5-8-3, that killed the record, otherwise were +8 right now and tied for 6 seed. This is the 11 games I was talking about before thpse 14 games and were doing it again.

    Even of it ends up like last yr were we did that good then tailed off becasue we ran out of games, we ve turned corner since game 30-just like last yr.

    We just know we need to add to roster and get system that works good. For right now who cares what the system is, this is making us better and until young wave is ready were not deep enough anyways. So this is a win win win now because not making playoffs gets us another top 5 skill draft player. Maybe a 5-12 pick though this draft is 12/15 deep.

  34. @ Morrison

    I agree. Fu$k Malkin. A year later he gave Oshie a dirty elbow to the head, so he never learned. I’d love to see someone blow him up one day.

  35. Dennis Gilbert an emergency call up for tonight.Carlsson out.No lineup news yet as far as Crawford / Subban Seeler/ Gilbert

  36. Lots of good comments – I’m a bit late to the party but here goes

    If the Hawks can play consistently like they did the first 2 periods they just might pull off the miracle and make the playoffs – the first 9 minutes of the third was more of the same ‘playing not to lose” BS that has caused the Hawks to give up multiple goal leads in previous games and you had that feeling that it was going to happen again and that would have been soul crushing but they turned it around

    After it was 4-3 they got back to carrying the play to EDM, skating, forechecking, winning puck battles and ultimately the game so maybe just maybe they learnt something in the latter half of the third about playing with the lead

  37. Thr first EDM goal as Ian and others pointed out was on 2 rookies Nylander and Carlsson and the second EDM goal was on 2 other rookies Boquist and Highmore

    Boquist had the puck and I don’t know how he was unable to advance it but he didn’t and then and a major scrum ensued and Highmore actually chipped the puck into the open with only Maatta back leading to the EDM 2 on 1 and the goal

    Rookie mistakes are gonna happen

    I was most encouraged though that they didn’t wilt after the 4-3 goal

    As far as retaliation goes Ian was right – take a number for next year – this is no time to put EDM and it’s #1 PP the man advantage

    To all those wanting Seeler and Gilbert in to handle retribution – again save it for next year – winning games is what they should be focused on – Carlsson seems better to me than either of those two

    Gilbert has been called up so I guess Carlsson is out – probably Seeler in, maybe Gilbert

    I think Crow starts – it’s hard to go to Subban in a must win game – can’t lose at this point to DET

  38. Wrap-I understand what you and Ian are saying about retaliating with bad penalties and taking a number but I believe in the Hawks case that there are no responses because of the absence of physical presence and having an edge.Cagguila has it.Zach Smith also has it,wish we would have traded for him 5 years ago.What we have witnessed during this season just can’t happen.The palms up approach yelling at Officials does not work.The Hawks have had players repeatedly punched in the face,elbowed in the head,slew footed along with the Goalie being run into on a nightly basis.Unfortunately with the current makeup of this team,highend skilled forwards,rookies,and non physical Defensemen for the most part,where is your response going to come from.Smith is out and Cagguila is small with concussion issues.This lineup has to be constructed with tough,bigger,edgy players that immediately respond to the nonsense.Ideally spread out through the lineup and not isolated on the 4th Line.Hard choices are going to have to be made.I cringe at thinking what would happen to this team in a long playoff series.

  39. 11-4 is a possibility. See losses to STL, Was, Pit and Dal. Must win both of home and home with Minny and game aGAINst Nas. Just found out that I’ll be at the home finale aGAINst Le Habitants! Season finale win vs Breadman with Kaner getting a Hattie would be the Icing on the Breadman. I mean Cake.

  40. For those crying for seeler to be in, he’s a bad hockey player.
    Martin or reaves in the offseason sign me up, bur not at their current cap hits.

  41. Tim W would like to see a couple of aggravators added to the lineup, be chippy to the other teams stars too. Sometimes the Brady Tkachuk style where he made Kassian blow his cool and cost Oilers the game or the way he took Doughty off his game, is the sweetest revenge. Make the other team react instead of looking for blood after the fact. Somebody in the pressbox or Rfd. who they know is taking numbers for next game and will be dressed if liberties taken is all you need in their head that way.

  42. Can anyone explain the EDM “too many men penalty” last night? It appeared to be called during the time they let play go on when the 3rd goal was not immediately called. The penalty is shown as the same time as the goal. If the penalty was before the goal then the goal doesn’t count. If during the extended play then doesn’t it get wiped out once the goal is confirmed? I have never seen a call like this and have seen no explanation.

    Agree that this is no time for retaliation with zero margin for error chasing a playoff spot- plus we don’t have anyone for the job other than Seeler. As others have said this is a roster construction issue and we have to find a couple of guys that play a more physical game but can also play hockey. Looking at the UFA class maybe Dillon, the former SJ d-man just traded to WASH or even Wayne Simmonds if he took a cheap short term deal. More likely it will need to come from a trade.

  43. I want both, a player like Dillon/Simmonds and a 4th line player since 15 might be out/injury wise and traded.

    Really 65 15 should be these kind of players, they might retire-ltir/trade though. So lets get some new guys on the assemble line then.

  44. MS it was explained in the Edmonton fee-it’s a league rule if any penalty called before play stopped it still counts.
    Imagine the extreme-play continues and someone hits the goalie over the head intentionally with his stick (could happen with the Hawks-lol) and then they say-No the play should have stopped. We don’t call it.
    I believe it’s to protect something weird from happening.

  45. I found an explanation of the penalty. Apparently NHL rules state that any penalties incurred during play remain even if time is wiped off the clock. What a crazy rule.

  46. MS, Tim W, Ian

    I see your point Tim and it’s a good one but for this year this is what we got – I’d like someone(s) who can play and be able to agitate as well (Shaw was supposed to help in that regard) for next year as MS suggested

    Keep in mind though even when the Hawks were winning Cups the attitude from others teams was that they could be physically beaten down and I recall people complaining about the Hawks being soft even when they did win Cups

    This is not to diminish your point or the need for a little more of a physical presence in the line up just putting it in perspective

  47. This is where 27 77 8 are huge for helping bringing in top ufa players. When they see a team with dynasty/top 100 alltime players like 19 88 and young wave elite players like 27 77. We get another top 5 skill draft player and have three. Then those top ufa players will want to come here, since they cant stay on there top 10 teams because of cap and theres only so many top 5-15 teams that can fir them in.

    We fit those molds.

    Of the players Roamn/others listed for Defensemen, and we need some at FW, these are better for that type of play Dillon Manson then Krug Gosth other. Thing is these bigger guys are slower speed wise.

    We need toppair, Krug is small and is the a preview of BoQ. Pie is the Defensemen kind that has the size and the speed. Hmm.

  48. Thanks Noonan – but think of the crazy possibilities. Say there is four minutes left in the game and the ref misses a goal and during the ensuing play someone has an inadvertent high stick that draws blood. You are now short handed for the rest of the game because the ref missed the original call. Seems like there should be some discretion on that call.

  49. I have seen folks mention Josh Manson as a great physical guy to have. I would agree but have to laugh from a comment I heard from Elliott Friedman at the trade deadline. He was speaking to a source about whether Manson might be available and the source told him “the Ducks love Manson more than your wife loves you”. Great quote!

  50. Dillon seems to be same as Manson so good that theres more then one Manson out there to get.

    Those things should help us get these players-even if we have to get the rest of them the next yr. 27 77 elite players and other top 5/10 teams being at the cap-cant add and only so many top 5-15 teams having space to do so. Some can and they have to trade away so no gain. We have players we can trade and gain by adding a toppair a top 4 a 3 FW.

  51. Carlsson officially out for tonight’s game for concussion protocol. Hope he’s good to go Sunday against the Blues. Gilbert and Seeler are terrible. More importantly, hope Carlsson doesn’t suffer any adverse effects for his personal health, which always trumps the game.

  52. @ Morrison

    I would’ve LOVED Simmonds a few years. I used to pine for him, but he’s a shell of his former self now. He’s still physical, but he’s advanced metrics are really bad and his shooting % is regressing the last couple years quite a bit. Not sure if he’d be worth a roster spot just to put up 30 points and be be a physical presence.

  53. Crow starting again. Seeler in for Carlsson. I guess Crow is gonna start every game until the Hawks are officially out of playoff contention. Here’s hoping he starts at least 19 more games this season.

  54. Couple things-I don’t think Seeler & Gilbert are horrible. Every team needs guys like that to step up for teammates. As long as there plus minuses aren’t horrible, use them . Wings has nothing to lose & teams like that play chippy. 2nd-Hawks stayed with really good skating team last night- which shows we can play that way. We just some grit next year to play the other style. its gonna be chippy tonite. I’d like nylander to take fighting lessons from paranin over the summer…eat lots of gravadlax…& get in a few scrapes just to get in the game when he struggles.

  55. @ Tim 2

    They’re both brutal. Sure, they’re not afraid to get physical, but that doesn’t do much good if you’re just bad at everything else. They’ve both got awful metrics, and last I checked a few weeks ago Gilbert had the worst adjusted goals on I’ve for average in the league. Seeler’s metrics were awful in Minnesota and in his few games with the Hawks. That’s not to say they can’t get better or have a decent game, but neither are very good defensemen right now.

  56. Okay, Okie. You’re right about the metrics. Time will tell if they can get better…But (1) THIS year, we got no one. I don’t want Shaw or Caggs or Cat fighting. (2) next year-maybe we get a Martin or Manson or Simmonds type especially if Gilbert & seeler’s plus minuses don’t improve. Neither are scorers. I “may” be full of it, Okie, but if I was coach, I’d coach up the two on zone exit, then pair Boqvist with Seeler & Besudine with Gilbert and Dunc with ?. Next year. I’d turn boq & beau loose on the rush and have Gilbert and seeker hang back for D.

  57. The worst part of Boqvist out is Keith playing on the PP. He is brutal out there, still thinks he’s the player of 3 years ago. Terrible reads and erratic shot.

  58. What is the difference when 92 gets tackled/checked down when the puck is close to him-he has the puck, and when 5 cross checks/checked down there player when the puck is close to there guy. No call on them, call on us? Its the same thing. 5 was a hair high-there guy lowered a bit just before. Same thing to me both are interference or both are called.

  59. BoQ isint playing. Did he stay in 3rd period because we were already down to 5 when he was banged up.

  60. So were playing with 2 of our starting Defensemen and 3 in 4 after playing a fast team. Yea.

  61. @ Morrison

    Concerning Boqvist, possibly,but depending on what type of injury it is, sometimes the next day is when it gets worse.

  62. Morrison, Detroit is basically an AHL team. Even down a couple dman and playing on the second of a back to back, they’ve gotta win this game. They look sloppy as hell, and of course Bernier has made a couple of great stops already. Figures.

  63. Pathetic performance so far, but I’m hardly surprised. The veteran leadership on this team has really been lacking since Hossa’s been gone.

  64. I am not blaming or mad when we donot win games we should or have like this because its a bunch of other things is why were only +3 over .500 and we short on 4/5 good players to have a deep enough roster anyways.

    How much can you ask for with this system and not having any physical players and being short handed about 4/5 players.

    Want to win, ok with top 5 skill draft player. Adding what we need next 2 summers, so were really good for then and on.

  65. Morrison
    Fans just can’t keep using ‘the system” excuse when there’s an obvious lack of talent and depth, and too many nights where they just look flat and disinterested. Yes, tonight is a bad spot after playing last night, their 3rd in 4 nights, plus having to travel. This is where they’ve gotta dig down deep and show they want the playoffs. Its doubly as hard losing a third of your dmen, and we can all see just how disgustingly terrible Gilbert and Seeler are at hockey. Hopefully that late goal will light a fire for the 3rd. I’d stay with the Saad-Toews-Kane line. Hopefully JC goes back to it. Hate loading up one line like that, but he doesn’t really have a choice unless they tie or take the lead.

  66. The schedule did them no favours but no excuse for not beating the worst team in the league under the circumstances

    They missed 27 and 46 – Seeler and Gilbert added nothing

    Hard game to watch – it was obvious from the start of period 1 that they didn’t have the requisite urgency to win – It seemed like no one was going to the front of the net for screens, tips, rebounds – no one paying the price

    Very disappointing but that’s the way this year has gone

  67. Nah, were past the 50/50 ‘play’, been since game 30. Games 30-50 we weer 12-5-2. It was that 10 day layover that tripped us up and we went 5-8-3 in those 14 games were the sch was harder-based on good teams. Tehse 11 games were in now, the games I predicted us could go 9-2 in are based on a easier sch-on not as many good teams.

    Were 4-1 so far in, and that is on pace for a 9-2. With the first lose coming in a 3in4-no excuses when we had no energy. Its going to happen every once in awhile.

  68. Okie, your right I cant blame the system entirely for our record. I know we need 2 more Defensemen and 3 FW to complete the roster to have a good balance of the tight style of players. Thats not the coaches fault or the players.

    So its not fair to balem the players for not playing every game, just as much the system. I onlydonot like the system because we seem to not be good at it and it makes it harder for us as it is already. It is possible that with a quality HHNL deep roster that we kick ass with this system.

    Only way to know is give it chance when were quality deep next yr-maybe yr after next yr. Its coming though. A top 5 skill draft player is best thing for us and young wave and could be the difference in winning another Cup with 2 and 50. If we make playoffs and donot get one of those 1-12th picks that could make a big difference.

    Theres only so many yrs you get top 5/10 skill draft quality players.

  69. It may piss the players off and make us people go a little hooty. Getting better developeing the young players-in the NHL once they are ready enough, for the ones that can handle it. This could be very best thing for us and only reason we win Cup again-next 10 yrs/19 88 yrs.

    Getting better roster wise, while young wave comes in. We are good enough to be a 6/7/8 seed but we donot win as many games as we should. This keeps us in it for playoffs but also has us not make it and with this many teams close, if we can just lose enough games in a 5 game spurt in the last 20 games we get back to that 5th pick area.

    Meanwhile the team roster making big strides each yr, get a top 5 skill draft player along the way, each yr.

  70. The win win standings.
    LA and OTT trying their best to get to -5, they were both like -14 and are at -8/-9

    DET 82 (will pick 4th due to being red coats)
    LA 9
    OTT 8
    ANA 5
    SJ 5

    NJ 1
    BUF 1
    Nobody 0
    MON 2
    CHI 2 (right now 9th pick)

    ARI 5
    FLR 6
    WIN 7
    NAS 7
    VAN 8
    MIN 8

  71. Tonight is really not on the players it is more about the makeup of this roster and the way they have been prepared throughout the season.First of all many of these players have not been through the NHL grind and nightly pounding,travel,etc. and have never done the 3 games in 4 nights thing.This team in particular really does not have any true NHL grinders.Those guys that pick the team up when everyone is dragging.The Hawks have the skill guys and young guys basically.Finally,this practice schedule or lack of it does not lend itself to be conditioned to perform when you are tired and don’t have your legs.These optional skates that are Colliton,s idea on how to save guys does not work.Every team has bag skates and battle drills during the season on a regular basis.Its not punishment,it is to condition your players under stress so they are ready for those games when you don’t have your legs.Things have to change with this team if they are going to evolve into a team that is ready for long playoff runs.Players,Systems,and preparation.

  72. Tough loss, feel good run is over, Se3ler and Gilbert fresh bodies but zero impact, flat sloppy game, looked tired after pace of Oilers game Thurs.

  73. OK– MS I have a good one-key playoff game
    the goal goes in but the ref-goal judge don’t see it.
    In the next 45 seconds before they see it and hit the buzzer to stop play another goal is scored and in frustration the original scoring team takes a five minute major.
    But on the first goal the other team challenges the goal because of goalie interference, and that goal is in but overturned.
    Mayhem ensues, coach thrown out of the game and it takes 20 minutes to untangle-your right it could get weird.

    2nd riot in NHL history afterwards

  74. Ian – they did look tired – they had trouble holding onto the puck and making passes all game

    Being tired and losing on the road to STL or BOS would be understandable but losing to DET when you need every point is inexcusable

    Somehow they needed to fight through the tiredness plus their record in back to back is I believe 2nd or 3rd best in the league so it’s not like they haven’t done it before

    3 games in 4 nights is tough (just like it was for the Oilers who were playing their 4th game in 6 nights) but I think the real answer to their play tonight is that they lose their legs as the pressure ramps up – it’s been happening all year

  75. Tim W skill guys-young guys- no grinders…plus….Ian’s accountability argument …plus poor coaching sums up the Hawks. JC knows ( hell- everyone knows teams play some form of neutral zone trap) the Hawks were facing that. So…last night we returned to dump & chase. I’d do the Lavolette gambit-just dump, set up our own trap & let the red wings get exhausted. In fairness-the boys were tired. So…

  76. League wide it’s weird with the playoffs-
    they still have a good schedule the rest of the way other than playing in Washington next week on the end of the back to back. Losing two in a row (tomorrow) with their lack of regulation wins may be the dagger, at least emotionally. And the Blues will want to keep top spot.

  77. Okie, right on. The loss of Hossa was big jolt to this team. His back checking to prevent the opposing team from a scoring chance was as fierce as his attempt to try and score on the offensive end. When his teammates saw his all out effort on both ends of the ice, there is no way that they were going to embarass themselves and not try and play the same way. What a great example for the rest of the team.
    By the way, those 2 goals by DCat the other night should have been credited to Cags.

  78. @ playball
    re: hossa

    one of the best and most insightful comments on any site ever. the only way you could have made it better was by injecting how could any younger player dog it when watching a much older player leave his guts on the ice every shift.

    can you imagine nylander pulling his pussy act and then having to face hossa in the locker room when he questions his desire to participate with the required effort to succeed?

    i know i am an outlier in this opinion, but i question toews’ ability as a captain. with seabrook as “captain 1a“ and guys like hossa, hjalmarsson, shaw and many others, even guys like sopel, crushing their effort on every shift i feel like that captaincy was certainly one by committee.

    in the last three years this team has taken games off way to many times. or disappeared for a period or two in games. how many times this year has the lead post game comment from jc been we didn’t bring it tonight? where has the influence of the captain been?

    last night was a total embarrassment. i could care less how tough the schedule has been. this was a must win against an ahl roster. they had the miracle win thursday and every player in that room had to know that win was right out the window if they didn’t back it up last night.

  79. Playball good point on Hossa, that was part of hope in bringing back Saad in the hated Panarin trade, to fill that void. As we can see in games like last night his energy level just wasn’t there to carry them through it like a Hossa could do.

  80. Wrap agree they need to find a way in game like that. That’s the risk when they get up for a hot Oilers team and leave it all there, just no urgency or energy for a lowly Wings team and expect it to be easy.

  81. 3 in 4 is one thing, like 4 in 6 is. Those are nothing like we had to play in the beginning of this seasons sch wise. I forget right now we played a 8 in 11 or something crazy. Like Ian said we played ‘hard’ and wore ourselves out taking to EDM and let up for 3rd/coasted in 3rd then have enough energy to tie DET and get win in OT.

    EDM got here legs for 3rd and played cheap cheating hits. So they cheated there way back in the 3rd with dirty hits. We didnt do dirty hits to DET in 3rd and cheat our way to tie it, like EDM did to get back in it.

    Theres a good reason to have more physical guys. REally though how often does EDM get to plat a non phsyical team in CHI on a 4 in 6 whree they can do that. Just like how often does CHI play an ahl team and hove none physical cheating dirty hiters to force abuse on other team and watch the refs watch it and do nothing.

    Tim, said it good with the structure od everything we have, it needs to be in line first and we need to get more good players/quality deep here.

  82. That game a good example where an aggravator on the roster to stir the pot and get everybody pissed off could be all you need in a game like that.

  83. Saad could of scored 7-8 goals in the last 2 games based on good chances… He is the worst on offense… just gets garbage goals off of other players hard work. .. No stick handling moves, no backhand…. Whats he getting paid every year? $6.4m.. And Keith can’t hit net, WON’t shoot the puck , always roaming all over- outta position, can’t skake…. Other team blow right by him… Slows the game and flow down..IMO

  84. In Saad’s defense he has 20 goals and is one of the better two way players on the team. And he can skate in today’s NHL.

  85. Two questions for JC

    Why was Gilbert on the PK in a must win game when he deflected the puck past Crow?

    Why was Kubalik on the bench and Murphy on the ice in the 6 on 5 empty net situation at the end?

  86. Boys- I hope the Hawks read your stuff. So many insights for Wirtz to gnaw on! For me- knowing the boys were tired- I would have dumped but not chased ( unless we had an advantage. ) I would have dumped, then sat back in a neutral zone trap to force turnovers and re dumped until Larkins tongue was on his skates. It is not my idea . Q did it. The other team got frustrated- then we took advantage of “ their” mistake (s). Geez- Hossa was a beast.

  87. People think its bad without Hoss, see what it looks like without Saad/both.

    We have, basically, a top 5 PK again. Havnt had that since 2009-2017? These players are important. Just a different system/league speed/our roster aint complete yet.

    We need to see what we look like when we have a quality deep roster. Then it makes everybody better, trickle down effect.

    Same thing for skill guys is they do not have support from other role players they cant roll and get ganged piled.

    Have to have this.

  88. Wrap been shaking my head last cou0ke of months why Kubalik not out on late game situations like that. I questioned him not on no.1 pp unit earlier in year, to the posts of how foolish that would be because he was left shot. Thought naybe after that Colliton start using him late game too, Murphy over hom definitely not giving team the best chance to win.

    Gilbert unfortunate there, his effort was good, if he blocks it nice play. Agree on questioning putting him out on pk over the regulars with success it’s been having. Forget was Murphy in the box then, if so it was choice between him and Seeler, neither used to that situation.

  89. Think about it in 2009? we had a full quality deep roster and were an instant top 3 team. Didnt know it at the time, we were though. In 2008 we only had about 1/2 half a roster, we wernt ready yet. That is like this yr, we donot have enough players yet. Once we get this and young wave is ready-more then green rookies, were there dude.

  90. no offense meant, but we all knew the day 81 was gone that this team would have a hole that it was not going to fill with one player…and the search is still ongoing. nothing hurts as bad as not having 81 in the lineup….but he aint walking through the door or coming over the boards.

    the team is good enough to keep us watching and hoping its turned the corner for good, and then they soon generally crap themselves. nobody knows why, and no one has a surefire remedy….it’s sports.

    i actually have grown more fond of the roster, but if we’re going to profess to be an elite franchise still, you gotta start chopping heads off from the top. you just have to change it up …or look even more foolish next year if you dont

  91. @ billy reay

    saad is finishing at a 14.7% rate this year, which is very good. and at 11.4% for his career. he reminds me a little bit of tony amonte. amonte had fabulous chances virtually every night, had a very decent 12.8% finishing rate for his career, but always left you baffled that he didn’t produce more.

    i am as frustrated with his finishing as you are, but if you step away from the emotions, he is a pretty good nhl player. it would be nice to see more prolific results, but he is far from the piece that needs to be replaced to help this team improve. what we need is a couple more of him.

  92. Thing about Saader is in the playoffs he drives and creates goals half or more of the skill players cant. He creates his own space with his style/speed those players cant. Goalie makes save and Saader or someone gets rebound and goal from Saaders move/drive/outwork other team player on him.

  93. Reason Hawks lose due to Not Scoring enuf goals… Very Simple math…
    Saad scores 20 goals as does Hartman.
    Saad paid as an elite player… Not cutting it as per what he’s paid… spin it how you want.. someppl like him,some don’t.. Hawks aint winning with him… See what market value is for him.. that will tell real story. Traded for Breadman.

  94. Ryan agree, don’t think anybody really expected Saad to bring the same presence to the team that a future hall of famer Hossa did. Saad’s acquisition was to address a need though and as pointed out he is a pretty good 2way power forward even if he isn’t hof level, nor are the Blackhawks likely to have the next Hossa fall into their lap again, like last time.

  95. No team in hockey will have Hoss again for awhile. Tehre isint any. There are other kind of gems-style wise. Its like Cal Ripken playing short stop at his size, its another era now and theres only one Cal one Hoss.

  96. I would think Kurachev will be a better player then Hartman regardless of goals scored. Its not about goals its about team play.

  97. After Hartman elbowed Krugs in the face on purpose he became a cheapshot pansy. Noone/or Krugs hit Hartman before that/in any game from our team so he drew first blood.

    He still has karma coming to him for that.

    Saader hasnt ever cheapshoted another player that I know of and is a proven playoff performer.

    Would you rather have the 20 goal scorer Perry or the 20 goal scorer Hoss. That is a miror image of HArtman Saad, per say.

  98. Not his fault but Saad will always be thought of as a player acquired , at the cost of a gamebreaker , doesnt play up to his contract . never seen him finish a check and with hands of stone he just takes up space perfect example of a Bowman screw up.

  99. I loved Panarin too but can a team in 2019-20 really have 3 salaries in double digit millions and still win a Cup?

    I guess the Leafs will give some insight into that but that’s what the Hawks would have been with the Breadman here plus T and K

    Breadman gets 11.6 T and K at 10.5 each – that’s $32.6 million in 3 players

  100. Breadman wouldda taken $8m/ year to stay (as he said)… Toews shoulda only got $7m/year..

  101. No matter how many goals Bread Man scores for whatever caphit, he might win one Cup-liek Ovie he wont ever win a dynasty.

    Not even Oive, who is a top 100 player of alltime, might only get one.

    We want and need a toppair Defensemen, not Bread Man scoring 50 goals a yr. That is how TOR plays and is, they wont win without better Defensemen and they already added Muzzin.

  102. Carl said – Not his fault but Saad will always be thought of as a player acquired , at the cost of a gamebreaker , doesnt play up to his contract . never seen him finish a check and with hands of stone he just takes up space perfect example of a Bowman screw up.

    Just wondering how you account for removing the other $6m from the payroll to fit in Panarin. Now also subtract the play of that other $6m. Now tell me that you have replaced that $12m in player performance by signing Panarin. Then give me whatever it is you are taking for your hallucinations cuz I need me some of that shit!!

    Panarin scores goals. He’s about points. One dimensional. If you haven’t seen Saad ever finish a check then you never watched him play. He STOPS plays and players along the boards all game long – not by smashing someone on their ass, but by using his body to get between the player and the puck. He takes more body in a game than Keith does in a week (Keith is a stick-checker), but just doesn’t deliver the big blast of a hit. Flashy – never. Break up the play – almost always. Passer? Above average and obviously useful to Kane, Toews and Kubalik (simple eye test). Slap shot? Doubt he has taken 20 this year. Back-checker? Probably the most consistent on the team. Penalty killer? One of the best on the team, who easily slides into the same role on any other team. Skater? Definitely strong and powerful. Finisher of shots? Probably his weakest skill. If Patty Kane could play the way Saad does from a defensive point of view, he would easily be the best player in the modern era. Right now, he is simply one of the best offensive players in the modern era.

    I get it. Hockey is about scoring goals. Knocking the other guy’s teeth out. There’s nothing better than a Bobby Clarke smile. 40 goals per year and no teeth. What a player!!

    See what the market will give the Hawks for Saad? ABSOLUTELY. But there is an unwritten rule about trading a player – don’t create another set of needs when trade to fix a problem. You move Saad and you need a whole lot of help when he’s gone. You trade a guy that doesn’t finish well, but leaves a mess behind to be cleaned up by more than one teammate. Who is gonna do it? Name the guy on the current roster that replaces his role.

    We need better balance on our team, not more one-way players. We finally got a young center with great promise – and he is right handed to boot. That brought balance. Kubalik provides more scoring, a lefty who is responsible on defense – a player who can score on either side of any line. Balance.

    You wanna bitch about a $6m contract? How about for a 23 year old kid who used to be able to score? He can’t pass without coughing it up, he can’t clear a puck up the boards or off the glass. He can’t hit and dig the puck out from the corners. But boy, can he disappear for weeks from the scoreboard.

    I don’t fear Saad not being worth the money ( I agree his contract as current is a bit rich). I fear what Dcat will be worth next year.

    Honestly, I would love to hear Saad and the team agree to a 4-6 year deal at about $5.5 per this summer. And then we can find 2 more just like him – one be right-handed please.

  103. Thank you, Silent Spot for your insightful post. There is only 1 Hossa and he’s going to the HOF. To mourn that Saad isn’t Hossa so we need to trade him, is insane. What game are the ones who say that watching? Look at the actual numbers like Silent Spot has and leave the emotions out of it. We couldn’t have afforded Panarin AND had a deep enough roster to win a cup. Unless, you believe that you can win a cup with 6 or 7 AHL players on it. I don’t think that’s ever been done. Panarin is a great scorer!! He is a truly one-dimensional player. And as far as Toews not being a good captain because you don’t hear what he says in the locker room or to his teammates at any other time, would you rather the captain air the dirty laundry in public? Really? Toews has NOT quit. He lays it out every game. Open your eyes!!!

  104. Well said Silent and Indian DC – I’ve said it before we need more Saads not less

    Agreed he’s maybe 0.5 – $1 million over paid – not a big deal

    He’s still gonna get 20 goals, PK, play defense, forecheck – not saying Saad is HOF but he’s in the Bob Gainey mold

  105. Open your eyes Dragoon.

    Bread Man is an older version of 12?

    We played with 6 ahl players in 2012, how did that go. We were there with VAN. Didnt have the quality depth. Heck we didnt even have 12/6 NHL players that yr.

  106. Nalimov signed PTO with Rfd good for 25 games. Countin tonite 15 games in reg season left so do couple of playoff rounds too if they need to.

  107. At nearly 26 years of age, Nalimov figures to be more mature than a younger goalie, perhaps more likely to handle a major zip code change. This could be a big piece moving forward, and a big notch in the Bowman belt.

    Could be.

  108. Current Blackhawk odds:

    – playoffs: 4.8%

    – top pick overall: 5%

    – top 3 pick: 16%

  109. In defense of Cat-he just has forget about the money. Most hockey players I know would play for their teammates, the fans, the competition, the glory…& a quarter pounder with cheese. Cat will be fine. He just has to stay hungry. The blues game is going to be interesting.

  110. I would declare unless we win 9 of these 11 games, its 100% we donot make playoffs. We are 4 of 5 right now.

  111. Same thing for 6th to 9th pick, its 90%. Unless we win 9 of these 11 games or lose 2 of these 11 games.

  112. Silent, Nalimov turns 26 in Aug, which could be big, beacause after July 1st means 2 more years of control before ufa status, which gives plenty of time to decide on what to do by then. Be a 1 year elc then a rfa for another year before becoming ufa.

  113. OTT LA doing there best to give the 2nd 3rd pick to ANA SJ. NJ is helping getting to even/0 from -8? and BUF is tanking like a bunch of puusys,

    GOing to laugh my ass off when DET picks 4th, ala COL-they thought they would get Hughes.

    See OTT getting top pick-for justice. Going with we get the lottery and get 2nd or 3rd pick. With the 9th pick spot. The spot BUF would have been in to get that pick if they didnt dive.

  114. Doesn’t look like anybody behind them will catch them, so likely finish no lower than 8th. Above looking like only Habs who may drop below. They are 1 point ahead with less regulation wins and Blackhawks 2 games on hand, so 9th a real possibility. Then hope lotto gods are with them again or at least don’t move them farther anyways.

  115. @ silent spot

    you are so right about kane on defense. no one is expecting him to win pucks in the corners or expose himself to hard checks. if he would just hustle back into the passing lanes and try to have a good stick he would be a far superior player to what he is.

    kane with 200 more career points than toews, but toews +\- is 125 better than kane’s. can’t attribute all of that discrepancy to physical play. a significant reason is hustle and want to.

  116. I have to point out an error with the comparisons between the 2012 Cup-Winning Team and our Hawks this year.

    We played with 6 AHL’s in 2012 when we won the cup. That year Shawn LaLonde, Drew LeBlanc, Brandon Pirri, and Ben Smith each played ONE game. Jeremy Morin played THREE games while Jimmy Hayes played 10 games. The only true rookies (equivocating them both to AHL’ers) who played at least half the season were Brandon Saad and Andrew Shaw. That’s TWO not 6.

    This year Anton Wedin has played 4 games, Lucas Carlsson 5 games, Dylan Sikura 9 games, John Quenneville 9 games, and Dennis Gilbert 21 games. The only true rookies (again equiocating them both to AHL’ers) are Kubalik, Boquist, Dach, and Highmore (34 games so far and probably finishing with 45 or so; Saad played in 44 games in 2012). So, there is a big difference between 2012’s roster and our roster this year. In 2012, 6 AHL’ers played a total of 17 games. This season, 5 AHL’ers have played 48 games so far. In 2012, Saad played 44 games and Shaw played 48 games. This season, Dach and Kubalik have been on the entire season. Boquist has played 40 games so far and Highmore 34 games so far.

    In conclusion…2012 basically had two young stars (Toews and Kane), 2 rookies, and a bunch of experienced or veteran players along with a future Hall of Fame coach to take them to the cup. This year we have the same two stars, 4 rookies, too many AHL’ers (playing nearly 3 times the amount of games compared with the 2012 team), and fewer experienced or veteran players along with a rookie coach to take us too…?

  117. Bowman, great point on the +125 on Toews versus Kane. Both are vitally needed by us but Toews plays a complete game. He doesn’t quit and is well worth the money he makes.

  118. NJ is winning and is to even/0. We would need to win or lose a lot like 6-3 or 3-6 to get there and that could very well happen. NJ is helping. BUF is tanking.

    What matter the most is the draft is deep like you said. So picks 3/4-12 are basically equal other then order of choice, the quality of the players are qeual/same.

    So that is extremely important for us.

  119. We won Cup in 2013. 2012 we did play short handed with 6 ahl players. Sure some of them might have become players later. I remember 6.

    I would count LaLonde, LeBlanc, Pirri, Smith Morin Hayes, not 65 20. I didnt go by games played just that we were short 6 NHL players that yr-for the bulk of the yr. I donot know for sure but donot think amy of those 6 played much in NHL right? Then or since then.

    Not arguing. We didnt have a full roster. Last two yrs we didnt have a full roster nor 6 NHL Defensemen. This yr we had more of a full roster to start, with season out for injuries (7 44 65 15) it makes it like 6 short.

    Anyways you get what I mean.

  120. I am not counting, how many goals does the Pre Madonna Crosby have and how many does washed up Toews have. If we were +17 over .500 19 would have more then he does.

  121. When I say 2012, I mean 2011-2012 season. The 2013 season is 2012-2013.

    I always go by the spring date for the ‘season’ yr.

  122. What is similiar to these season were talking about is, good young players coming soon. We had a bunch of good young players coming after 2008, 2012, 2020.

  123. Any comments about Kane not doing his job defensively is simply dumb! There are no wins without 88.
    What we saw last night against the Red Wings is the usual lack of scoring depth and talent on this roster.
    You need to score goals in the league otherwise you struggle! 2, 19, 88, 20, 12, 77 showed up!
    77 can’t score yet but he plays like Toews with all out intensity which is great for his future. If he can be a 30 goals, 30 assists player in the future, it will help.
    You saw the no shows, some because they feared contact, some because of lack of talent, and others because their size just doesn’t help especially on a back to back when you need a big game from everyone.
    Except for the pass to Kane, Strome was a no show. Never seen a 6’3″ player so weak on the puck, slow and shies away from contact on the road! Crazy! Cagg lots of good intentions but couldn’t win one battle tonight because he is just too small.
    Kubalik was shy but is a rookie in the NHL and will need to learn watching Hossa videos!
    Let’s not talk about Nylander! Not worth it! Just a lazy player with no strength and intensity. Brings nothing to the table. Embarrassing to watch! Need to trade him while someone still thinks he can be something! Horrible trade by Stan; nothing new!
    Colliton? To think that for 50 some odd games he had Kampf and Carpenter center Kane??? Incredible! What a fool…He would have 5 -10 more wins if Kane was playing with Toews!! Load up on your top 6 and let the rest fall into Stan Bowman’s lap of ridiculous signings (Zach Smith, Carpenter, Cagg, Wedin, Kampf, etc..)
    You saw a bad Red Wings team but who can skate with Carpenter and Strome struggling to keep up!
    Oh yeah, and then sticks the worse, bone headed dman Gilbert with Keith who has to play by himself on the blueline for 3 periods.
    #39 was a liabilty all game..this is Bowman’s draft pick? Wow! All he could try to do when he realized the NHL is another league was pick fights. The new CAM RUSSELL!
    You could hear Crawford screaming at Gilbert to pick up the player in front of the net and he just ignored him, and then desperately threw himself deflecting the puck high into the net! This guy will never make the NHL, another bust! No hockey IQ! None!
    Bowman, how many goals do Burakowsky, Donskoi, Nyqvist, Dzingel, Connelly, or Perron have? Anyone with an NHL road map scoring goals would have been useful for Toews and Kane. Signing players like Carpenter, Smith, Cagg, is usless for 19 & 88. And at that price? And the price of Lehner? Bowman has screwed 88 & 19 at another chance of playoff hockey because he has no vision! And hiding behind the Cap issue crap is cowardly!
    Bring in Laviolette and Mark Hunter as GM!

  124. Just rememebred it was 2011 we played short handed with 6 ahl players. In 2012 we got some guys nhl ready like 65-when he scored in PHI, 16 I think, somebodyelse cant remmeber, traded for 27. We added and some young guys were ready.

    Yea it was 2011 I was thinking about playing short handed like taht.

  125. Just to think 10 years ago, Coach Q revamped his 4th line and had Madden centering Ladd and Versteeg!!! Now that’s depth! And great signing by Tallon who added Madden, a cup winner who I believe scored 15 goals that season with the Hawks, played amazing on the PK! That’s depth!
    33 19 88
    82 10 81
    55 36 22
    16 11 32

    Brouwer and Bolland playing bottom 6, both had 100 point seasons in Junior! Are you watching old tapes Stan?
    All these guys have a history of scoring!

  126. @ hull65

    ridiculous comment by you regarding kane. his prolific offensive abilities do not give him a pass on his poor defense. you don’t have a leg to stand on. kane can play defense when he wants to. it’s just he chooses not to on many occasions. because he scores a ton of points doesn’t mean it is okay to give up almost as much defensively.

  127. You don’t have a leg to stand on? That was funny! You really have no idea what you are talking about. He plays PP, double shifts, plays with every one from 1st line to 4th line because they have no one else to generate offence! Kane is very responsible on defence and actually for his size unlike Strome or Dcat or Cagg, he gets the pick out on a breakout 99 percent of the time because he is so skilled!
    And you should maybe look at video tape from the 2010 Olympics when he back checked and raced down the ice to catch the great Sidney Crosby on a breakway! You have no idea what you are talking about. It’s ok.
    How is Nylander defensively, Strome, Dcat, Carpenter, Kampf, Sikura, or Gilbert? Seriously, talk about someone else but not Kane who can’t use his size to stop opponents but uses his speed and IQ to break plays! What else do you want from him? Block shots? Breaks a foot and then the Hawks don’t score a goal for 3 months??? That was a funny take you made but you should watch what Kane does away from the puck and well, he actually has the puck most of the game so I am not sure what you are watching BYE BYE BOWMAN!
    Maybe ask the GM does silly questions or the Coach who had Carpenter and Kampf center Kane for 50 games, lose pucks forcing Kane to back check 90 percent of the time they coughed up the puck! Genius coach and GM!
    Nice try!

  128. In defense of Dennis Gilbert-the best window we have on Gilbert is December, 2019. With him in games- Hawks 8-6; he had 1 goal, 1 assist & 38 Pims; & -4 plus minus; Dunc was -5 in his games & Boqvist -4 in his games ( December); I am not an advocate for gooning it up; BUT-Gilbert was the “only” Hawk toprotect his teammates. So…yeah Hull 65-he doesn’t have Boqvist’s skill set nor “feel” for play making. What he does have is what every team needs-a guy who looks out for his teammates. I still think – play him- he’ll get better, he’ll learn. The Detroit game-that goal where he missed the block-that wasn’t on him-it’s on Jc F’d up D scheme. Bring on left wing lock. Old time hockey.

  129. Tim lol it was Barry Smith who is credited with bringing the left wing lock over to Nhl from Europe under Papa Bowman. Not sure with speed of wingers today, plus no red line, that it or the trap defensive systems that effective any more. Maybe for protecting a lead late in games. Besides what wingers you going have play a defenseman role besides Saad.

  130. Hull 65 you have to get that those teams were aided by years and years of sucking. And timing of young, low cost stars/super stars.
    You get that teams go through waves-this isn’t pretty but it’s not all on Bowman (some).
    It’s too bad because some of what you say has some merit.

  131. Ian. I get your point. It’s just I hate JC’s D scheme. Help me out here- Do you see “any” of my argument on Gilbert…or do I just have it all wrong?

  132. Tim, i don’t mind Gilbert, he’ll never be a top 4 guy but certainly there is a role on this team he can play, if can clean up his game enough not to be a liability defensively. Which he should be able to do with confidence and experience.

  133. @ hull65

    catching crosby on a breakaway ten years ago does not define a career defensively.

    comparing him to meatballs on this roster who play poor defense doesn’t make him defensively responsible.

    if you had read my post thoroughly you would understand i did not suggest he go into corners to fight for pucks or put his body in harms way. i did not suggest he block shots. merely back check aggressively, get in passing lanes, and try to have a good stick.

    and i do watch kane off the puck. often times he is gliding.

    getting the puck out on a breakout is what a team does offensively after the team defense takes the puck away from the opponent. it isn’t a defensive maneuver. a heads up to you. when the puck is on kane’s stick he is functioning offensively.

    i have been trying to give you a break regarding your opinions, but i am beginning to understand why so many who comment on this site consider you a moron.

  134. Noonan – Don’t know if you saw it but in the Tampa/Boston game there was the same play as the Hawk/Edm game only wilder. Boston scored a goal which barely made it over the line before it was cleared. The play goes on and ends up in a fight. The Tampa bench goes nuts and they give a game misconduct to one of the coaches. Tampa ended up with an extra minor which luckily they were able to kill. I don’t recall ever seeing this situation and now it happens twice in one week. This could be really ugly in the playoffs.

  135. First, Tab – I hope all is well and you return soon.

    Copied from my post and another website because I’m too lazy to start over with a post here. :=)

    So here come the Blues – the team on the schedule tonight and the sad news that the Hawks season is winding down and there will shortly come a time we wish we had games to watch and comment on.

    The 2019 Stanley Cup Champion St. Louis Blues. Still doesn’t seem like that actually happened – but they did it and that’s that. I look at the 2020 version of the Blues and I have the same “huh?” feeling as I did with their Cup winning team – who are these guys? I mean, with the exception of several new guys, I know the Blues players pretty well – so I know who the guys “are” but I don’t see any players that would rise to the level of superstar so it seems the Blues are truly a team greater than the sum of the parts. That, and a goalie playing at a very high level and you’re a contender and every now and then a winner. The rags to riches story doesn’t play often but every now and then they’re kind of fun.

    Will it be more blues after the game with a 2-game losing streak? I care less about the outcome of the game than (1) being able to watch the game from an entertainment perspective, and (2) watch the continued development of the Fab-5 (Dach, Boqvist, Cat, Strome, Nylander).

  136. Hull, only maybe for a 3rd period or after we played bad for afew games would 16 or 32 be on 4th line.

    In 2010, 16 36 32 were the checking 3rd line.

    11 was 4th line center with Eags and Burr. 55 and 36 were not ever 3rd line players basically then.

  137. Ian, Besides what wingers you going have play a defenseman role besides Saad.

    Be carefull people said Saader isint worth 6 m and doesnt score enough points. Which is funny I heard people say that about 19 81 before as well.

    These players must have something in common.

  138. MS Noonan, is this a new rule or just something that hasnt come up before where we ever noticed it.

  139. ER, STL and for that matter BOS and maybe another team out there are the benefits os the new NHL/refs way of calling penaltys-not calling penaltys/league letting that happen-go/speed of whole league/other. Its turned it into a cluster F of players like elementary soccer. Its made it who ever has more players in the group gets the puck because players just wipe each other out.

    Its made it like this and the teams that were already build good for this style be top 5-or do good in playoffs again. Playoffs always had less penaltys and more slack om late hits. This is to another level of that. Where teams are allowed to tackle each other and interference and other stuff because they will only call so many on each team.

    And for some funny reason these kind of teams are top 10 PK teams. So its not that these teams are all the sudden the top 3 teams in hockey. They are top 5/10 teams, its that they benefit from it the most. WAS COL other are top teams as well who donot get to benefit from this as much.

    It wasnt until that BOS TB were another team punched BOS right back in the mouth and beat them 3-1 this yr. So do the other top teams hit back/punch in face/play cheap/play dirty at times/other, more then they usually would because they realize that that is why BOS STL other are gettng an advantage more then just ‘let it go it playoffs’ thing.

    These other top teams are going to play like that and then they have more skill then those teams and win that way. A tatse of their own medicine and win at the same time.

  140. Noonan that has always been the rule since replay came in, you don’t uncall a penalty, because a foul is committed and you pay for it.

  141. Want to say thank you to those who respect cherish appreciate what matters. Tab others social cannot pretend to understand or be what it means to be a dynasty Cup winner or a deservered/somebodys got to win yr=like the last 5 yrs since 2015, which every yr has been. Has been. Where were you then, ya biitch. You wernt bcause you couhdlnt be/you/were what you are a waterdownded-wanna be PIT bookend. BOS and LA and other are WAY more deserving of that garage-tackle NAS goalie in the box penalty PP goal you got beat and you know it-ya Fuuk/. 0

    PIGT is the most hippo most hippo most critical croakc of sbhhit. Pre Fontaine. The difference is James Bond and having eight 3-10 and not having true champions, ya fuuck. Peace.

    Hangover.

  142. Yab, cheers to telling it how it is. Good on you to let people tell it how it is and not say, keep it down.

    4×4.

  143. So the pocket rocket has passed , had a great career in Montreal just like his legend brother the Rocket , a day in Hawk history i will always remember was in the 71 finals after Lemaire scored a goal from 15 feet outside the blue line on Esposito , and the game changed. Henri got two goals and stole the cup . made me sick. of course the 3 cups have been fantastic, but that cup was ours except for a sea change in one game

  144. Correct…Carl!! Trade Saad & his 6 mil. Caggs shouldn’t be the one to get even for mugging of 27. A roster full of pussies. U see Colliton after- looked like he was at a PTA meeting. Disgusting!!!

  145. To have a coach who all year has the same stoic expression, personality is disappointing.
    Yes people are different, we’re not all passionate fiery people-but as a couple people have said this year for him not to blow the occasional gasket, light the fire of his team or the referee is baffling. He seems to have no emotion?
    The team takes on the persona of the coach.

  146. Cagg’s fighting is just another reason for him to get the last concussion of his career. That should open up a spot next season for Bowman to sign another undrafted free agent NCAA smurf or an old 4th line player like Carpenter..OMG, is this guy bad..can’t skatye! And again, incredible that Kane had to oplqy with this clown!!!
    Other than Cagg’s fight, he has no impact whatsoever…too small. Too light…too dumb….too useless.
    So, does anyone on this board still have a love fest with the GM?
    How many puck battles did the Blues win? All of them!
    How many dmen do the Blues have that are the size of Boqvist, Beaudin, Mitchell? NONE!
    And all of the big D skate, have skill and are nasty! You can tell the Hammer and Seabs are not on the Blueline anymore. (Evan Bouchard, Noah Dobson, Walhstrom , Veleno; thx Stan Bowman and Mark Kelley?)
    Poor 27, he will not last in this league…too small…too light and his concussion total will keep on rising. By the way Cagg, don’t fight…you are going to have one bad headeache tomorrow after those 3 uppercuts; just another AHL or ECHL player at best!
    Nice play tonight on a 3 on 2 by Gus in Calgary…Oops wrong game!
    So, I guess Stan was watching for a 3rd game in a row, lazy giveaways in the D Zone by Nylander that have lead to opposing goals. What a joke this player! What an awful trade!
    6’3″ Geekie , a big rookie lights it up for Carolina today…oops wrong game! Teuvo looked good! Sorry about that.

    What does 17 Strome do on the ice…except skate away from traffic and hope to set up behind the net! Trade this clown,,,,oops, we lost Schmaltz to this guy, thx again Stan!
    I think now we can all agree that Bowman cannot blame Mike Kitchen, Coach Q, Cap issues, Panarin’s contract, Saad’s contract, Crawford’s concussions, the WInter classic, Nick Schmaltz, or the Circus; he needs to blame himself on an awful decade of GM responsabilities. Since 2015, his trades, the 4 dmen drafted high in 2 seasons,
    the poor free agent signings, hiring a junior B coach, and spending money on Cam Ward and Robin Lehner the last 2 seasons , proves he needs to be fired along with the coach, Mark Kelley and Pierre Gauthier.

  147. Hull 65-You have it all correct except 91. If we had any size at FW or D with grit in tonight’s game, Caggs could have just played hockey. And 91 can play hockey! GM & coaches have got to go. When Hawks could get the puck out of their zone, blues zone D, zone trap- forced everything to the outside. PTA director Colliton did not adjust. Plus-blues intimidated Hawks all night. Wirtz-you have to see it- don’t you? The Hawks used to be what the blues are now-relentless in the O zone, zone D, with a balance of skill & grit size. Hard to watch. When only 91 stood up for 27 & Caggs took those uppercuts- the Hawks were done. You could see it. This is all on Bowhead-his roster his coach. Really sad.

  148. Hull 65 the incidence of concussions has little to do with physical size and more to do with bad luck and it seems a pre-susceptibility that some people have-
    think Lindros/his brother and many other bigger guys in many sports.

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