Blackhawks Lose de Haan, Game in Vegas

The Chicago Blackhawks took the ice in Vegas without Duncan Keith (groin), Olli Maatta (flu), Andrew Shaw and Drake Cagguila (concussion protocol). With Shaw on LTIR the Hawks were able to bring a couple young players up, and Adam Boqvist was pressed into action with Maatta still struggling to kick the virus that’s kept him out of recent action.

The game opened with 20 entertaining minutes. Corey Crawford and Marc-Andre Fleury were exceptional on both ends of the ice in the first period, keeping the score at zero.

Without question the most significant moment in the first period – indeed, the game for Chicago – came at 17:46 into the first when Mark Stone clipped Calvin de Haan. de Haan, who has been arguably the Blackhawks’ best defenseman this year, fell hard and immediately skated off the ice and kept going straight down the tunnel to the room. He did not return to the game with what the Hawks tweeted is a right shoulder injury, which is significant because that’s the same shoulder de Haan had surgery on in the spring that cost him more than four months of ice time.

After the first period, the shots were tied at 12 for each side.

Without de Haan things got out of control quickly in the second period. Reilly Smith scored a power play goal at 7:27. Four minutes later Deryk Engelland sniped home his first of the year to extend the lead to two.

Inside the final minute of the second period the Blackhawks were on a power play (a shit show of one at that) and an Alex Debrincat turnover turned into a race the other direction. Well, it would have been a race if Erik Gustafsson had given any effort whatsoever. William Karlsson put home the shorthanded tally to make the score 3-0.

When the teams went to their rooms for the second intermission, Crawford was visibly livid at the score. He deserved better than a three-goal deficit after 40 minutes but the Knights out-shot the Hawks 16-8 in the second and controlled the entire period.

Max Pacioretty scored 3:17 into the third.

Ryan Reaves scored 13 minutes into the third.

The game was over but the teams had to finish the final seven minutes.

Chandler Stephenson went to the box at 18:10 into the third and the Blackhawks decided to score a power play goal. Dominik Kubalik’s eighth of the year came off assists from Alex Nylander and Boqvist with 27 seconds left in regulation.

Far too little, far too late. The Blackhawks were dominated up and down the ice. The only player who performed well for Chicago was Crawford, who finished the night stopping 32 of 37.

The Blackhawks power play was 1-4 in the game with Kubalik’s goal meaning little more than a stat to the three involved skaters.

Jonathan Toews won 10 of 21 at the dot. Dylan Strome won 11 of 21. Ryan Carpenter won seven of nine in the game as well.

Kirby Dach finished the second period strong but never got off the fourth line assignment Jeremy Colliton gave him to open the night. He skated 13:00, which is an improvement, and was credited with two shots on net and one blocked shot.

Brandon Saad led Chicago with four shots on net. Toews, Strome, DeBrincat and Patrick Kane were credited with two shots each.

Dennis Gilbert served two minutes in the box but had a solid night. He skated 19:21 with a team-leading five hits, one shot on net and one blocked shot.

Boqvist skated 17:42. He disappeared to the room to get some medical attention during the first period but returned to the bench just before de Haan left the game.

Gustafsson was on the ice for a team-high 25:44 and was minus-two.

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126 thoughts on “Blackhawks Lose de Haan, Game in Vegas

  1. You bet I will bring up a forward that has more goals than anyone on this team.Go ahead and keep living in fantasy land.Maybe you want to compare 19 with other centers around the league .I get that reality is not fun for people.

  2. Watching some replays of Boqvist’s play tonight. He’ll get more minutes with the big club now. Hopefully this will work out as a good development opportunity for him. He and Dach will have times where they’ll make mistakes but let’s keep good thoughts about their gaining valuable experience. I’ve liked de Haan’s play and hope this isn’t season ending.

  3. Hockey is a physical game and this team was again manhandled and laughed at.Cant afford 92.95.12.64 in the same NHL lineup.Have to win battles for the puck.Feel terrible for 44.Going to miss his play big time.Hats off to Crawford.

  4. We need to be a faster team like VEG and other fastest teams. We need to get a little younger to do that. We need to have a good system. We need to know how to cheat and not get called more then other teams, like the better teams do to us. Take advantage of that and not get taken advantage of in that way.

    Just need to be faster overall. We cant play with the fast teams, because they are faster and because they get away with more.

    We need to do those two things.

  5. Colliton is an AHL coach with an AHL staff. His lineups don’t change…and they’re not producing. The Blackhawks lost on the Nylander trade. It didn’t need to happen. So…here we are. 44 is probably gone for significant time. 2 is already gone. 56 sucks!!! Here we are. 20 led in shots but NONE are going in. He was more productive on the 3rd line. 88 was more productive with 19. 12 and 17 were fun with 11…but he’s also gone. But we have 65…oh wait. Injured…and wasn’t doing too much on the scoring sheet. 8 is a 3rd line guy. 64? We can package him with 56 and trade him. I do like 15 and 22. They bring grit and solid play. But they’re on the 4th line. Dach? He should be on the 3rd line. He should be with 8 and 20. Who’s on the top line with 88 and 19? No one on this damn roster. Anyone from Rockford? Is Sikora ready NOW??? He was playing solid hockey with his brother. More physical, ala his brother. Does he have the mental toughness to be on that top line? We’ll never know because you can be sure C won’t put him there. So much frustration with this “coach” with the “gm”.

  6. Doesn’t sound good for Dehaan, same shoulder he gad surgery on in off season i think, maybe awhile.

    Dach being wasted on 4th line, need some fresh thinking on his linemates. If Maatta returns by weekend helps on blueline, may have a Gilbert Boqvist 3rd pair for awhile, see how they get along.

  7. When I re-tore my distal bicep tendon playing hockey in the same arm that I had torn it 4 months prior, I knew right away, same exact feeling as the first time. Likely the same thing for deHaan and his shoulder. Unfortunate. Good player.

    No use making knee jerk transactions. The boat is leaking in too many spots. Continue to play the kids. Sell at the deadline and reboot at the lottery, draft and 7/1.

    In the meantime, Rocky will soak the holiday crowd for tons of cash for hot dogs, Bud Light, Nachos and Ice Cream.

  8. MO,I think it has more to do with a Size,Physicality,Discipline,and Speed issue.This team is loaded with young guys,just not the right young guys for todays game.With theses types of players you definitely need a NHL Head Coach and staff to make it competitive.Tonight was another prime example of a Coach that was in way over his head.His decisions were so awful tonight that it would take a few pages to list.I know he is now playing a bad hand but these are the times when you have to mix and match and coach your rear end off.

  9. Hopefully for next game, give Sikura and Nylander a shot wuth Dach, use different players up and down fron Rfd there, Hagel, Kurashev, etc. Then he can use Dach to spark top lines if they are struggling, when shortening bemch. Put Highmore in for Smith witb 64 and 22 to have little more speed for an energy line.

    The likely defensive pairs for a bit
    56 5
    68/6 7
    39 27

  10. I think Edward ” Summed” it up very well . 56 he sucks , yes they should have traded him. 12 he is just too small , I give him credit , he is feisty . Towes looks , well , past his prime . They need another top 5 pick .

  11. Didn’t know what injury Hana had. Same area / shoulder, you have got to be fing shitting me?

    Tim, yea just thinking we need that. You can see these other top teams have that kind of speed for most of there roster and then they play like that, cheat and be good at the same time. Sure need the other aspects to, like you said the right kind of those players not just young.

    I do not want to blame refs and stuff, but get that way when I see other teams, usually the better ones, cheat more and get away with more. So if they can allow them, then I want us to play scrappy and take advantage of that to and cheat more often. Play that style of hockey, get away with as much as you can.

    It is amazing we are 6 th in PP, with how many penaltys the other teams get away with. And yet we have to play clean because we’re afraid of other teams PP, even when we’re good at PK again this yr.

    How in F are you suppose to play like that. Common.
    Good system.

  12. @Fortin, how come our fastest player in the system, who was starting to play really well is not playing in Rockford? Did he have a concussion too? It makes no sense to see the weaker Sikura on the ice, bring up his brother instead, he is the hockey player in the family. This DeHaan injury is far more devastating that anyone’s thus far. This injury really could propel us to the bottom of the barrel.

    BTW – I watched Jokiharju play last night, and the kid played like an All-Star against the Blues. The only defensemen that we have that is better than Joki is DeHaan. Mistake Stan, big mistake, huge!!

  13. How often do we need to say Bowman is a joke and JC is a clown for a coach?
    The roster is weak and as TIM mentioned again like some of us have in the past, too many smallish players who are too light. Nylander and Sikura? Cagg? Dcat is small! They have no speed and size to compete with teams like Vegas, San Jose, Boston etc…..
    Bowman’s hockey IQ is poor, he’s knowledge fo talent is worse!>

  14. @HULL65, this was my post from an earlier article. A complete joke is Stan Bowman.

    @Pool…we should have a pool by when Dylan Sikura will score his first NHL goal.

    a.) next 1-3 games
    b.) between the 4th-7th game
    c.) between the 8th-15th game
    d.) he will never score a goal as a Blackhawk

    I say “d”…he will probably ride a winner in the Kentucky Derby before he scores a goal with the Blackhawks.

    I don’t like this kid at all. He is an AHL lifer! Jeremy Morin was a lights out better player than this kid.

  15. Why is it the Hawks never use the center of the ice? Everything is along the boards and board to board passing. Not winning any board battles and not utilizing their speed at all. Seemed like Debrincat was stepping on his dick all night long, just very frustrating

  16. My guess is de Haan gone several weeks to end of year-and if it’s a similar injury it creates doubt for the future, at least in his mind.

    Let’s face it the D is a mess, with the really old guard, new veterans most of which are hurt, and really young guys who can’t make much of a difference this year. The two goalies will have even more to do to try to get some points in a ever growing divide between really being a playoff team and that being a dream. And there is no use trading to patch the D up.

    A top 10 pick and time to find the right GM, then coach for next year is the reality.
    This team has lots of holes. Decisions around Lehner, Crawford and Gus.
    Find out who in Rockford might be able to contribute next year.
    Is Lankinen for real or another Garret Sparks?

  17. During the Cup years Toews was my favourite player and not just for his on play on the ice but also for his leadership – well his stature in both is taking a big hit

    This Hawks team lacks leadership – one example is that the Hawks have just 1 win all season if the opposing team scores first so when VGK scored first you knew that except for a miracle the Hawks were done – no mental toughness

    And look at that first goal – CHI was doing a good job on the PK and then there’s a FO in the CHI end – Toews gets tossed which he does way too often IMO and then he starts whining about it to the official and going palms up for so long that he’s still doing it when the puck is dropped so he’s a 1/2 sec. late to cover the point (because of course the Hawks lose the draw without Toews taking it) – the point shot gets through to Crow who makes the save but Smith (I think it was) scores on the rebound tucking it in behind CC – that goal is on 19 (something that’s also happened way too much this year IMO) and the way the Hawks don’t or can’t battle back from a 1-0 deficit it’s game over

    I love what Jonny has meant to this team over the years but he’s got to get his head straight – he’s playing a me first game and it doesn’t look good on him at all

  18. I just hope upper management doesn’t use this recent rash of injuries and sick time as an excuse to keep Colliton and Bowman longer. I can see them arguing they haven’t gotten a fair shot due to not having a full roster. Obviously if the team was deeper in the first place it wouldn’t be an issue. Feel terrible for De Haan, I hate to see guys that play their asses off out like this

  19. It’s just amazing that Stan and Colliton gave up on Jokiharju so early. Top scoring D man for a small stint last year. Not to mention his strong defensive game. Given the mess with the current D, you have to wonder just the ballz SB was thinking. I mean, are we at the point where we miss Ruuta?

    But hey, we got Nylander – a player who is the quintessential brand of the Bowman mindset. “Hey, this kid has potential..” That’s a rebuild type of move. Not the message Stan nor McDonuts has been saying for the past 2 years.

  20. Wrap hear what you’re saying, but the messages from front office is win this week for playoffs, then lose next week for draft pick type of rollercoaster process to believe in. It must be frustrating for the core players to believe in coach, Gm/FO and themselves too. This team needs a change above and a new fresh direction the players can trust, then we will really see what players want to be part of it or not.

  21. Aj

    I agree w/ JC being gone.

    With this Chicgo charities stuff going on. Our joke has been, that one of the raffle prizes available would be to spend an evening coaching the Hawks. Could it be that much worse than what we are seeing each game? :)

    In all seruoius ness who would take over this dumspter fire

  22. So far the Joki trade is very one sided. Hope Rockey looks at the Canadian world jr. Gm and Coach. Bring in the Hunter brothers. It can’t get any worse than it is now.

  23. Dcat is a premier sniper but unfortunately the rest of his game is not worthy of a top 6 role. He seems to have taken a step back this year in his d-zone and neutral ice play. It’s too bad because he gives more effort than most others.

    Mo – with all due respect it’s not about “learning to cheat better”. We are not very good right now. I would play the young guys, sell hard at the deadline and hope for a great top 5 pick.

  24. The de Haan injury is a serious problem to the Hawks D corps. Last night’s blow out showed a slower Hawks team vs a fast big Vegas lineup. It is painfully obvious that the Hawks struggle against faster more physical teams that bring an aggressive forecheck.. When they play these teams Hawks need to stay out of the box and have their PP working. Hawks PP has been simply embarrassing to watch. Other teams employ puck pressure up high and it seems that every game a turnover occurs and it is either a breakaway or an odd man break going the other way. Were it not for incredibly stellar goaltending by Crow and Lehner, Hawks would be getting blown out in many, many games. They just give up waaay too many quality scoring chances game in game out.

    Our Hawks are trending lower as an organization imo, unlike what’s going on down in AZ.

    Let’s Go Hawks!

  25. Ahh yes, another joke of an effort. How many losses like this do we need to see before Rocky get his balls out of his pocket and fires these 2 turds, Blowman and JC? This team is a mess and falls squarely on Blowman.

  26. It’s a dark, dreary day.

    Crawford & Lehner will both welcome trades to contending teams.

    The question that had to be asked before Q was fired is “Ok, I’m going to fire Q, who is the best available coach for the team moving forward, knowing I’m going to start improving the team and getting better players in”?

    The games are getting to a point very soon where they won’t be even worth watching or posting about. That’s sad.

    Say what you want about Chelios, I’m not a fan of the guy personally, but at least for the short term, if he feels like coaching, bring him in ASAP and see how it goes. He always played w grit and heart and passion, the guy hated to lose. He is a hall of fame player. The players will at least respect him.

    Good day.

  27. I see Rockford won 2-1 in OT last night despite being outshot 56-14. Looks like we are training the farm team to be just like the big guys – lol!

  28. @blackhawkfan02, I will come back from the dead and take over this team. The first thing I would do is FIRE JC, and replace him with Barry Smith for the rest of the year. I just saw how much the players loved and respected him during his last game behind the bench, he even gave a smile of approval. While he was behind the bench, the guys were playing hard and he fixed our PP. It will take me a few months to identify the next coach. I am leaning towards Soup Campbell. Well, because ginger’s are tough, he’s mart as hell, seems like a super fair and good guy, no more douchebag’s behind the bench, and the vets all respect him.

    I would trade Gus for the best offer. I’m thinking if Kimmo Timmonen was worth 2 2nd rounders, Gus has to worth a late 1st. Like PT Barnum said, there’s a Stan Bowman born every minute.

    I would trade Jonathan Toews to anyone who would pick up that contract. I would not worry about the return. The $10M off the books will be huge. I would make Dach the #1 center and play him with Kane and Shaw.

    I would trade Olli Maata and Brandon Saad for a #1 pick, a #2 pick, and a good young solid player. Someone like Pujlajarvi. Plus, that takes off another $10M off the books.

    Finally, I would trade Corey Crawford to a contender for another #1 pick.

    In essence, we would have 3 #1’s, 2 #2’s, Puljajarvi and bring up Hagel, Entwhistle, and Fortin up front and Holm for the back, and Lankinen to back up Lehner.

    Start over with Kane as C, and lessen ice time for Keith and Seabrook because no one is trading for those two!

    We get a top 5 pick this year, sign a couple of solid FA, and bring in a coach with valid tactics that work in today’s NHL.

    They should have froze me like they did Walt Disney, because I could fix this!

    -TI

  29. Wraparound…..great point on #19…..last year and so far this year not the same. Just seems disconnected a lot of the time.
    I just do not understand how a lot of the teams can bring kids up and they play, yet the Hawks most of the time state they need to be in the minors to grow. I guess this is what we get when basically 6 of the players make up 50% of the salary.
    Do not want to be negative but another non playoff year. Wonder if the UC will start looking like Bull home games and only half filled. Just a tough watch right now.

  30. Tommy Ivan-wow some of the premise makes sense but then reality sets in. First you have to have an NHL quality team as the players in the dressing room deserve that and not all players get high picks in return-especially out of a fire sale.
    MS good one, humour we will need this year. And as usual Phil your words make sense.

    I think a good poll would be ‘what are the 10 best trending up organizations in the NHL’ and how far down that list do the Hawks fall?

  31. A point on hiring a new coach right now is the vetting process, introduced in light of Peters incident, is that it will take 2 or 3 months to bring in somebody not currently coaching in the organization before they can step in and takeover. Quite possibly that process is happening right now, wouldn’t be any public announcements until whoever takes over passes the vetting first. Also maybe that is outcome of Marc Crawford investigation, if cleared he takes over as new coach.

  32. TI

    Why would Crow wave his no trade?

    Also let’s pretend for some reason he did. Who would trade a 1st round draft choice for a 1/2 year rental who has injury history.

    But considering part of way of fixing this is someone coming back from dead, 1st two aren’t nearly as unrealistic as that :)

  33. “We’ve got to be better,”
    Colliton is saying it in every post game interview. Sounds like the new team slogan.

  34. Getting a new coach would be like rearranging the chairs on the Titanic. Won’t matter. The ship is going down. This team doesn’t have the pieces to compete for a playoff spot. Even Q’s blender wouldn’t save them. The only way out is a long, slow, painful rebuild. Let’s just hope it’s not 49 years!

  35. Puck

    If I’m joking about that maybe a raffle should be held to pick who could coach for a day and how much blackhawks charities could raise from this.

    TI is about bringing back someone gone 20 years to help.

    You hit name on the head about them going down hill.

    For me it’s about enjoying watching the goalies rest of the seaosn.

  36. Pucklogic this team needs to go 34 and 18 to get to 97 points, probably a playoff spot. Thats not happening, you can dress it up with ot losses and maybe sneak in with less points, but still playoffs aren’t a reality this year anymore. A change needs to happen in off ice personnel first and let new regime assess and move on with who wants to move on with them. A coaching change sooner than later might help the moral of the team, which seems alarmingly low. Knee jerk reactions aren’t needed and your right it will likely take time before it gets better at this point, hope your right about not taking 49 years, i waited most of them too.

  37. Q: Why would Crow wave his no trade?
    A: This is Crow’s last year of his contract, and he wants to showcase his skills in the playoffs where it matters most and where everyone is watching.

    Q: Who would trade a 1st round draft choice for a 1/2 year rental who has injury history.
    A: We have seen that a hot keeper can take a team to the SC Finals. Plus, Crow’s pedigree and excellent health this year by not being over worked will allow a playoff team to justify trading a late 1st rounder for someone of Crow’s ilk. We traded 2 #2’s for an aging defensemen with health concerns in Kimmo Timmonen, and Crow is in another galaxy compared to the “fleet” Kimmo!

    ***

  38. I think the point a lot of fans miss about Jokiharju is not that he was a good prospect but that we would have been our BEST right side defender this year and possibly our BEST defensemen. Better than 7… for sure. Better than 5… Murphy is decent but Joki skates much better and is a higher end player. Better than 56… please.

    So Stan trades our best young drafted and developed defenseman since about 2004 for a softie with a well-established record of not paying any price but who thinks he deserves to be in the NHL.

    It still shocks me anyone could make such an astonishingly bad deal. If there were a “Peter Chiarelli Award” for worst deal of the year, it would be Stan’s.

  39. You know who had a nice game for the Leafs last night – Justin Holl. Maybe he is a late bloomer (27 now), but he played really well at both ends, and had 2 assists including a very slick pass for the primary assist on the 3-1 goal late in third. I can’t remember why he left the org, but he looks good right now.

  40. Jordy have to agree, i give Stan credit where i think it’s due, but after watching Joki last night in the last minute of the game protecting a 1 goal lead. The faceoff in Sabres zone, Blues had extra attacker on and went hard after puck, Joki showed poise of seasoned vet and took control of puck chipped it out of zone leading to en goal to put Blues away. Yes he is still learning, makes a mistake but can deliver with poise of a vet when it counts. This trade is looking like a bad move, not one both sides win.

  41. Outstanding group of hockey minds this morning.I would place a group of you in a front office for the Hawks today.It is refreshing to see that the opinions on necessary moves are based in reality and not sentimental.Step 1 is admitting you have a problem and this organization has huge problems.

  42. Name teams that is in play off conntion, that needs a goalie bad enough for a post season run that would consider giving up a 1st round draft choice? A team who want him starting. B/c why would someone give up NTC to be a back up.
    I can’t think of any. But you may follow this closer than I do.

    He’s won 2 Cups has more $$$ than he knows what to do with. Loves Chicago.

    He’s also shown that w very little defense he can still be an elite goalie. So you think GM’s and scouts aren’t noticing that right now. But that 10- ish games in the play offs those same people would suddenly be wow we didn’t realize how elite he was during the regular season and these few games are making up realize jut how good he is. So we offer him more $$ than we would have had he not been in the play offs.

    If you think that this is how it would work………………………….

    Let’s agree to disagree.

  43. @blackhawkfan02…I think an injury to some starting GK could propel some team to make a desperate move and offer more than just a #1 pick. These GM’s all start acting like they’re Peter Chiarelli come playoff time, just ask Stan. Personally, I think the Calgary Flames would trade their #1 pick in 2020 for having Crow and Rittich share duties down the stretch and let the hot GK play in the playoffs. Who would you want starting the playoff for your team: Crawford or Rittich?

  44. 19, 88, 50, 2, 7, 20 are not the problem…..Stan Bowman, Gauthier, Kelley and McD are the problem. A bunch of arrogant old farts who have no clue how to build a team. This team was built by Tallon, Dudley and Bergevin. Time to get Mark Hunter and Dale Hunter on Board or bring Doug Wilson back to Chicago. The bad trades, the bad signings and the bad drafting are not on 19, 88, 50, 2, 7, &20! They are on the GM. Abnyone atching Nick Schmaltz will tell you he is better than Strome by a Madisson Mile! And let’s not talk about Teuvo, Danault, Panarin, etc….
    Can anyone just ask Bowman why in his tenure he has not drafted an NHL goalie or an NHL dman? No pwere forward since Saad? JOKE..and this coach! The last stray was when the GM dumped on Mike Kitchen, Joel’s buddy, and traded Panarin and the Hammer! All this started with Danualt trade and Teuvo trade… Sikura??? Unreal…scared of his own shadow…you know Buffalo is itching to get Kane back home!

  45. Tommy Ivan, you make very good comments but let me disagree with:

    “I’m thinking if Kimmo Timmonen was worth 2 2nd rounders, Gus has to worth a late 1st. Like PT Barnum said, there’s a Stan Bowman born every minute.”

    Gus may have commanded a late 1st rounder at last season’s TDL, but now he wouldn’t fetch more than a late 2nd rounder. I would take a 2nd rounder for Gus.

  46. @ORIGINAL6HAWKEY, Oh I agree with you wholeheartedly. I would never give up a #1 for Gus. But, I’m hoping that some Peter Chiarelli or Stan Bowman type is lurking behind a GM title, with hopes that Gus rediscovers last years form. I wouldn’t trade for Gus! If I was a rival GM, I would rather trade for Gustav Forsling, and get him for practically nothing than give up anything for Gus!

  47. Montreal is supposed to be interested in Gus and has been heavily scouting the Hawks games the last 2 weeks.He has to go if you are going to look at Boqvist.Well,he just has to go.For now split 12 and 88 up.They can’t retrieve pucks on a dump and they dont win many corner battles for puck possession.Crawford or Lehner should be moved at the deadline.Would move Maata and bring McCoshen and Holm up.Nylander and thr little Sikura should be sent to Rockford and bring up the bigger Sikura and Fortin and you just got a lot bigger and harder on the puck.Split 17 and 12 up and find out if 17 can play 2nd line Center.I know it’s not ideal but it is doable.

  48. Obviously Colliton should either be immediately fired or given a real hard ass of a NHL assistant because with the changes that I proposed Collitons system is going to have to be scrapped.This teams roster is not designed for man on man coverage.Zone and trap.Backoff into a 1-3-1 with one physical forechecker and kill these faster teams transition game frustrating the hell out of them.

  49. The salary cap has changed things. You cant hold to players for sentimental reasosns. Once a player hits 30 you have to decide which is the bigger benefit, keeping them or moving them. That decision depends on if your team is on the upswing or down turn. Also if building a championship team is the top priority then as an organization you have to be willing to suffer thru low attendance until you show that the team has turned that corner and is on the rise. Right now the hawks are doing the worst thing possible. They want to try and contend, or at least give the perception that they are trying to contend, and keep the ticket sales up. This results in being stuck in the middle to lower middle of the league. Never being bad enough to get the high picks needed to replace an aging core. In my opinion see what you can get for the core and if the return is not worth it or the non movement clauses are to restricive then just sit pat in terms of trades and let nature take its course with declining players. Start the descent in the standings and dont add players that arent part of the future.

  50. No point in firing JC if Bowman is still there. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing hoping for different results. Leaving Stan in charge to get out of this mess is crazy. Bring in the Hunter boys . No one played the game harder than Dale and he has a great record developing talent with the Knights. Mark as the GM , good evaluator of talent.
    One more point. How did Joki ( 1st round pick) go from playing a lot with Q . In Nov. JC comes in and by Christmas he is gone. Remember. The definition of insanity

  51. When does Bowman get the axm
    He has proven he can’t do the job.
    He has destroyed what Dale Tallon built and handed him.

  52. Tim, Tyler Sikura isn’t under contract to Blackhawks, he is on ahl deal to Rfd. So can’t be called up right now. Has shown to be fine Ahl player but has never really been considered Nhl material.

  53. @Ian…Tyler Sikura isn’t under contract to Blackhawks, he is on ahl deal to Rfd. So can’t be called up right now. Has shown to be fine Ahl player but has never really been considered Nhl material.

    Neither is his sister!

  54. Tommy,Yes,he definitely took a nose dive last night.Small kid who refuses to develop a Nhl body.He got ragdolled and pushed around all night when he wasn’t coasting and avoiding those hard areas of the ice.

  55. Stan’s brilliant summer now looking more and more like he was really buyer of last resort for other teams that wanted to empty their infirmaries. Kind of reminds me of when Castro emptied his jails and sent the inmates to South Florida.

  56. Ben Pope has an article up today on the Hawks Salary Cap and pending summer disaster.Take a read guys.Call me crazy but if I am the Hunters and other potential G.Ms,I can make this work.Unpoular moves needed?Yes.It can be done.

  57. MS, yea not really mean, learn how to cheat better, right now for where we are as a team organization now. For when we get young wave in and adjust roster and have a good system and an actual identity and the stuff we have to do in order to get back to top 10.

    Then learn how to cheat more, like VEG and other fast top teams do, that do that. The stuff that Wall talked about, he is right in that. I am sick and tired of watching other teams get away with, more, then us. It doesn’t ever even out, because other teams do it more and we do it less often.

  58. I wouldn’t bank on 16 games over .500 being the 8 seed.

    Not saying we make playoffs, even if we do what we did last yr 2nd half and go 25-15-and change.

    Be interesting what the 7 and 8 seed are. Prob between 10-16 over.

  59. In the game against the Arizona Yotes, Gilbert took a fighting penalty and sat in the box while the Yotes scored the tying goal. I will STILL take the fight if only to prove that this team NEEDS to be tougher to play against. You fight to protect yourself, protect a team mate or change momentum. If the Hawks could have killed off the penalty they would have won the game. “IF” they killed off the penalty!!

    With no depth, players on the IR and youth running wild, Colliton has NO IDEA what to do. If things don’t turn around quickly(and I doubt they will) they will fire SB before the trade deadline and Colliton too. They cannot let SB make trades and set up for next year if they plan to get rid of him at the year end. He has to go around January 15th so a new GM can come here and assess this mess and make the right trades at the deadline.

    If McDonough fired Savard and Tallon then this mess HAS TO GO TOO!!

  60. Crow won’t get a 1st rounder. Same with Gus.
    As Ian stated, do this right and don’t make moves (players or staff) just for the sake of trying.
    If Bowman lasts the year it either means-
    1. Hawks go on tear and win 80%+ of remaining games and get over 100 points and win a round in the playoffs- lol
    2. Ownership hasn’t got a clue and could care less about fans.
    3. GM has incriminating evidence.

  61. Sadly the Hawks are all but officially out of the playoff picture so if you hang on to JC that might be the best way to get as high a draft pick as possible then fire him and Stan after the season – that’s pretty cynical but let’s face it they aren’t making the playoffs this year, an objective view is to look ahead to next year and to developing the youth for the rest of this year

    I highly doubt Stan will ever fire JC and I doubt McD will fire Stan in season at least – the fact there is no hockey person higher up the food chain than Stan to help right the ship is a big problem and the fact that no one in house is really ready to take over the head coaching is also a big problem

    I feel like this is the team for this year and we might as well play the kids and hope for a high draft pick

  62. I don’t see what so many others do in 27. He is often out of position and does not have the speed to overcome it. He’s also soft inside the zone. If he were an offensive dynamo I’d give him the benefit of the doubt but he hasn’t shown much in that department either.

  63. Speaking of Tommy Ivan, I began following the Blackhawks in the mid-60s (am in my 60s). Ivan was probably worse than Bowman. Esposito trade? Why can’t we get a good GM over the years? And don’t say Tallon was a good GM. I remember the signs at the Stadium: “Dump Pully”.

  64. Ted,J had those same thoughts on 27.Have not seen the elite skating yet or the ability to recover to the defensive zone after a turnover.Trying to be patient and maybe see a glimmer of top d man talent after some games.He seems to have an ability to get his shot through.

  65. Wrap, was thinking the same thing about top 5 skill draft pick. Really without Haan or Murphy we would be f-cked.

    Only thing is about new identity and gm and coaches and stuff before deadline. Guys like Lehner and a ufa top 6 FW might like that and want to stay and come here.

  66. @O6 – when was the last time the Hawks conducted a proper outside search for a GM?

    Mike Smith maybe and before that who? – they usually hire from within

  67. Original6Hawkey, I’m devastated! But, I got Pit Martin back in the trade! ?
    You are not kidding, we haven’t had a great GM in…EVER!!

  68. Wrap with the extended vetting now required to bring in an outside coach, agree any moves made in season more than likely be a promotion of current coach in the organization on an interim basis to avoid that. Any move to replace Bowman likely result in MacIsaac or MacIvor promoted as an interim replacement and wouldn’t be surprised if it became permanent.

    @ Tommy Ivan how do you know that?

  69. Jordy, you mentioned Justin Holl, he finished Ncaa and Blackhawks didn’t sign him to elc. After becoming an ufa, no Nhl team offered him a contract and he signed a minor league deal with Marlies in 2015. Just making his way to bigs now.

  70. I understand that manglement is thinking of replacing the ONE GOAL slogan with a new one:

    Palms Up Everyone – It’s The Officiating!

  71. How much better will we be with just a new coach when our front office and their scouts can’t seem to recognize talent and manage the cap?

    Some examples:

    2010: Trade up from 30 to 24 to draft Hayes and then let him walk later.

    2014: Trade up to take Schmaltz at 20 and soon give up on him.

    2015: Trade Sharp and Johns to Dallas for two nobodies.

    No need to repeat the latest off-season bad moves, except Lehner.

  72. Although it looks like the Blackhawks are not quite up to snuff (at least consistently) to be a playoff contender, they’re still only 7 points out. The West is pretty mediocre with the records. Nashville only has three more points. The Wild Card teams are at about 37 points with the Blackhawks holding now at 30.

    I know that Colliton is Bowman’s, and maybe other peoples’ “guy”. But, if they really want to have a shot at the playoffs, even with the injuries, it would be better to pull the plug on Colliton. He had a full season last year. He had an off season, a training camp, and a third of a season this year. It’s clearly not working out – anybody can see that. Other teams are making changes to try and get some spark. It’s time the Blackhawks did the same.

    I’m on record as being a Toews guy. Yes, I know his stats are not comparable with other centers in the league. The league has changed. The Blackhawks are not going to get one of those guys for a long time unless they totally black out and get some really low picks for a couple of years. Toews bitches at the refs constantly. We all see it. I also don’t see his coach doing it. A stern look and a smirk is about all you get from that guy. I’ll give Toews a break for working the refs when nobody else in the camp is doing it. There’s no fire on that bench from a leadership standpoint sans Toews riding the refs, a guy up from the minors (Gilbert) fighting, and Lehner saying on the bench and in the press that the team needs to step it up. I don’t have a problem with any of the three, including the bitching.

    There’s not doubt that the players are playing terribly. But in sports the coach sometimes gets the axe when things are not going well. The Blackhawks essentially used that mantra when they got rid of Quenneville. Time for the hypocrisy to stop. Move Colliton out and get someone else in.

    Go ahead, now, and abuse me for liking Toews. I’m good with it and we can agree to disagree.

  73. It won’t happen but the Hawks should hire Pete BeBoer now – he’s a good coach – at least we’ll know who’ve we’ve got on the roster that can play and who isn’t going to be in the future plans and he would bring some structure to this team

  74. I like Toews too but when his bitching and whining costs the team in terms of goals against he’s not being the captain he’s supposed to be

    Nothing wrong with the passion but channel it properly – be a leader

    Maybe he’d calm down a bit with a coach he respects I’ll grant that possibility

  75. Guys I love your stick with it attitude and backing of Toews.As much as I get down on the guy I am a Hawks fan and want him and the team to succeed.I just believe that there is a physical issue involving concussions that has drastically changed his game.Those brilliant end to end skilled rushes up the ice and to the net rarely occur anymore.He is losing the physical battles and being a champion and who he is I think it is killing him and it shows on the ice with the refs.

  76. @Ian: I watched Holl in college when he was awfully lean and never looked like much of anything. He is now listed as 6′ 4″, 207 pounds and looking studly. He is on Leafs shutdown pairing and played a very solid game for them last night. I was really surprised. Hope it continues to go well for him.

    Leaf fans owned Rogers Arena last night which was fun as well.

  77. As far as the team goes,I think were spinning our wheels with this roster and backing the wrong horse.When a group repeatedly gets dominated at home by good to mediocre teams and then absolutely gets manhandled and blown out on the road there is some dismantling that must be done.Yes,give me a wizard behind the bench and we can compete but for this organization we all want a lot more.

  78. I said before, some solid hocley people suggested putting Toews on wing. Try him there with Dach at center and Kane on other wing, what is there to lose at this point. Put Saad with 12 and 17 or put 20 64 8 together again and see if it they click like before. Cagguila back soon or maybe someone else fill spot where Saad isn’t, plus a contributing checking line. At least have abilty to roll all lines again, unlike current mess he he has going.

  79. Ian. You are merely rearranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic.

    The compilation on this roster is what it is. The Hockey News 2019-20 Preview had the Hawks lagging behind in the Central and missing the playoffs again saying that Stan’s moves were a bit of an upgrade but not enough to get us into the playoffs.
    Spot On.

    This cast of characters is good for one really good game for every 3 or 4 on the schedule. The game at Nashville, the game at Boston come to mind. But the foundation is not there to sustain it.

    For all of Stan’s boasting about having the best goaltending tandem in the league, there is no sturdiness on the back end. There is no reliability in terms of production at forward, except for one guy -Kane.

    Sad but true. Sell. Sell. Sell. Follow the Buffalo model. Draft. Draft. Draft.

  80. Gee. I wonder what those old guys, Q and Talon, are doing these days. Didn’t they used to be in the “Hawk organization? Oh, yes. The’re with the Florida something team. I don’t remember the name. By the way, how are they doing? I don’t know, why don’t you email Bowman or that coach Jeremy something. They are supposed to know hockey better than you or me.

  81. @Ian, lots of tongue-in-cheek in my posts. Humor is a way to deal with the clowns that we have running our favorite team. One of the posts that I just read and liked is that deBoer is available, and we should lock him up. I think he is an excellent coach would bring some dignity and knowledge behind our bench. Some moves are so common sense, like this one. Bring in deBoer, it’s right there for the taking! I will say that all GM’s make mistakes on players, but when you constantly make mistakes by giving away All-Stars is when you must go. I’m sorry, but you should not have a job when you trade away a Panarin, Tuevo, Danault, and give up 2 2nd rounders for Kimmo Timmonen. If Stan was a doctor, he would be sued for malpractice! It will be interesting to see what happens the rest of the way. Thanks to all of you, esp Tim, Ian, Hawk, Reacharound, and others for making this blog more interesting and more informative than any article written by the Chicago scribes.

  82. Ian I think putting 20 with 12 and 17 doesn’t work. It would be frustrating. 20 is a good north south guy with poor finish (tied for second in goals on the team however). 12 and 17 both work east-west once in the zone. Kubalik, also tied for second, might work but not Saad.

    They need an explosive power forward with edge and a 21 year old Dach to complete the top 6. And in 2 or 3 years a guy to replace Toews in the top 6. Kubalik is a true 3rd line guy on a good team that might get you 15-20 goals with the right mix. I’d be keeping him. Can Strome continue to work on his skating? He doesn’t need to be elite, just good. These days they have great skills coaches and he seems like a hockey rat.

  83. Kimmo wasn’t worth a bag of popcorn when they acquired him. One of the worst deals ever. Brings back memories of cringing every time he was on the ice during the cup run. I felt embarrassed for him at that time. Had long lost his ability to play in the league. We gave up two 2nds for him? Wow.

  84. As others have correctly pointed out, there is no point in Bowman firing the coach unless Bowman is discharged — simultaneously — w/ him.

    That being said, I have no opinion on the fired San Jose coach, but his track record speaks for itself as far as being a well qualified professional coach. Made the finals with New Jersey in 2012 and same w/ San Jose in 2016. Playoffs every year in San Jose.

    This is just an example of when Bowman decided to fire Q and hire whom he did, he did absolutely zero due diligence, zilch, none, kaput. Like having a top flight, award winning chef at a restaurant for many years, the general manager decides to fire him, and hires someone who barely knows how to cook whom he found in a restaurant in another country and thought he would be the next Emeril Lagasse or Gordon Ramsay.

    Good day.

  85. Noonan,Back in the 80s when the dynasty known as the Edmonton Oilers ran roughshod over the league Messier,Coffey,and Anderson were separately asked about their dominance and all related that every summer they all attended a 2 week Power Skating School to maintain their advantage over the league.The 90s Penguins also participated in those types of classes.

  86. @Iceman, the entire Q firing and hiring of “The C” is a real-life Seinfeld episode. It’s like when the Yankees hired George Costanza, an idiot without any experience. Colliton is our George Costanza, he is our Lord of the Idiots!

  87. Noonan that could be, just thinking 12 and 17 need somebody to win the puck on that line. Kane with them is a bend but don’t break defensively with a quick strike offensive counterpunch line, not having alot of 5 on 5 success. No delusions about playoffs but a better to watch product on ice now, with an eye to what may be next season. If 77 centering 19 and 88, happens to click or create some chemistry it gives more options. Maybe Saad and Kubalik with a more offensive center, finding a complimentary power forward winger for 12 and 17 gives 3 legit lines. Then a good energy line and some injury depth.

  88. I’m hopeful that Rocky does the right thing. He did it once by taking the reigns instead of his brother when Dollar Bill died and hired Q , firing Savvy which I’m sure was tough but the right move.

    Since this thing appears to be going nowhere currently, I would like to see them get the right GM, then the right coach. It may be the Hunter’s, it may be Dougie Wilson ( don’t know his contract status) , but get it right. Scouting staff can go bye bye too but that’s a given with a new GM. Your guys thoughts?

  89. When the purge begins it has to be the removal of McDonaugh from President of Hockey Operations.I say removal because I believe Rocky will never fire him.Something will be orchestrated so he saves face.That will be the difficult move.From there it is a matter of having the guts to go from the stand still and hope to make the playoffs organization to a real Nhl team that cuts ties with the past and catches up with the rest of the league.I really dont think Rocky is going to do it
    Just a gut feeling. He is too loyal to the Bowmans.I would hope he is taking a good look at the empty United Center for the current Bulls games.Reading the current Beat Writers assessment is not helpful as they take that old simplistic view of the no movement contracts and being stuck.I dont buy it.

  90. NMC contracts aren’t the only thing standing in the way of a bigger and better dynasty, just ask teams with the most high picks recently, Oilers, Leafs and Devils how many cups they won in last 20 years. If you want to undo the past, read comment from Pucklogic above. “Hope it doesn’t take another 49 years”. That isn’t simplistic that’s the reality older Blackhawk fans lived and the reaity of what fans of every other team whos franchise approached dynasty status has gone through after the core of that team was gone. Pens found a way to rebound after a few years to new heights despite what the experts predicted for them.

  91. Its baby steps for me Ian.Just want to get back to being a competitive organization on and off the ice making the right decisions in game and having a team on the ice that more than competes and teams hate to play against.Put a halt to physically being dominated.I have removed the hockey version of the word Dynasty out of my thoughts regarding the Hawks.Thats the past.Time to start over.Go get the Hunters and even sprinkle in Darryl Sutter as your new Scotty Bowman type of consultant.

  92. How is JC still surviving hile some real good coaches are getting fired? And the Bowmans, father and son need to go! With all their clones!

  93. I never understood the cost of the kimo trade. Two second rounders was insane in my opinion. Regarding nylander seems dumb to me you have smith in the press box making four million or whatever and then play nylander a few minutes a game. Showcase Smith for trade or put the guy to work. Hes here for two seasons…play him. In the few games I’ve seen Smith had not stood out as a liability however nylander has. This is pure player mismanagement

  94. Interesting Rumor chart over at the Hockey Buzz site.Looks like Bowman is in panic mode.The Hawks are rumored to be in on Pageau,Hoffman,,and Kreider.Hall seems to be the only one they are not in on.I have rarely seen the Hawks involved as interested in this many at the deadline.Tick Tock Stan.

  95. Indian, I am with liking Toews even when stats are lower and when the refs suck I will shine the light right on them. Otherwise I do not care they cant see everything.

  96. Tim , that is why Stan has to go now. Hockey buzz says the Hawks are going to be aggressive at the trade deadline and are letting people know. Pageau will be turning 28, kreider 29 , Hoffman 31. We don’t need more experienced players. He could possibly trade what little future prospects we have left. He is just trying to save his job. Get rid of him before he does more damage

  97. Rocky, the one goal needs to be “rebuild”

    Stan need to be placed on waivers before he mortgages the future for some limited short tern gains. Pageau, Kreider or Hoffman are not going to make this team a contender. The skill sets we need in the future GM is the ability to identify and build an organization that can develop that talent. This is not the stage to be trading prospects.

    Rocky, its time for the tough decision place Stan and JC on waivers!

  98. There should be nothing wrong with adding players, if they are good for the next system or were not keeping other players. So its basically a switch of two players.

    Every player can be traded, even if they have yrs left.

    Better for new gm and crew and new coaches to do the trades, but until Wirtz makes the move, we are going to trade players and add players.

    Just would like to keep every 1st picks we have or get. Do not trade those.

  99. Adding a skilled forward will help this team but will not address D problems which is the biggest issue, and will, as said, mortgage the future young players this teams desperately needs.
    Don’t plug holes, as there are a few too many. New management and then get to work.

  100. I don’t live in Chicago so I don’t have tickets, but if I did I would be letting Rocky know in no uncertain terms that unless he acts now I wouldn’t be renewing. If he lets Stan make any more deals he is off his nut and will fully deserve watching his club swirling down the drain.

  101. I am all in for moving Toews to forward if that will cause a spark. And all the better if it puts other players in positions where they can better succeed.

    Clearly this is a time for changes, and if they be painful, well ….. so be it.
    If tough contracts are moved somehow, I want it to be done by someone who really understands the NHL as it exists right now. You’ve got to have a solid plan besides “we’re just going to get rid of this guy and his salary”. There has to be solid payback. There has to be a long game! Do McDonough and the boys have the long game in mind for intentions going forward? I say McDonough, because even though I’ve been shouted down for saying this previously, I have always thought he was a major, major decision maker, including personnel. To me he’s a Marketing guy and should stay one.

    This problem the team has is in part due to past success. But we’re seeing some teams that were in hockey hell get competitive and be tough to play against. The Blackhawks need people who can put together a plan to get there over a relatively short period. I’m not a hockey expert. BUT ….. I know that in the field where I work, the best way for success is to have people in charge who understand the product and who understand people. I’m betting there are hockey people out there who collectively can do some really slick things, and I want them in the Blackhawks’ camp. I hope that Rocky can see that his product and what makes his product successful need those good people in charge. In business, the buzzword is “crucial conversations” and there are actions related to these crucial conversations that put out the truth and plan accordingly. Rocky is a businessman, and I hope he gets involved.

  102. I am for everything Noonan and Indian just said. Untill Wirtz makes his move, Bowman is going to make trades.

    He is not going to sit there and do nothing until july 1st.

    Just please do not use any 1st picks.

  103. If they are going to change things up. Think SJ will take Seabs and pay 16mil (2mil for 8yrs) for Doughty? My thinking is they get cap room from contract 3yrs earlier. We get a more serviceable DMan for same money spent.

  104. Burn it down. Bowman going to make trades now.

    Wrap, you said it.

    Play good for 3 games (DAL DAL), then play bad (COL COL STL), then good for 3 games (BOS NJ ARI-half), then bad for ? games (ARI VEG ARI ?)

  105. I literally turned it off after 10 secs. When DCat took that penalty it just seemed once again they didn’t come to play.

    Given the Hawks recent past with early penalties for DCat to take one 10 secs in just said ‘I’m not listening to the coach’

    That’s what we’re dealing with IMO and they’re not fun to watch

    Something has to change – if they’re not fun to watch Rocky will start feeling that

  106. Watched only the first period then had enough. . Why won’t they let Dach to the world jrs. He would gain valuable experience playing in it

  107. Dach was the best forward the Hawks had tonight. How much longer will Rocky let this shit show go on? Either fire Stan & the Mannequin behind the bench or start the fire sale, enough is enough

  108. With the way we play for, half, the games. I turn it off if other team scores first and check website score. If we tie it or better I turn it back on otherwise.

    This is first yr since 2009 I havnt watched every min of every period (radio when I am driving on the road) and every post game show and every interview with players everyday of the wk.

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