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Blackhawks Lose Second Straight, Playoff Chances Effectively Dead

When realistic Blackhawks fans (and players) tried to chart a path to the playoffs, Sunday evening’s game against the St. Louis Blues was one of the games where many pointed to there being an acceptable loss.

Then the Hawks crapped the bed in Detroit on Friday night, and the importance of a home game against the defending champs took on an entirely new importance.

Unfortunately for the Blackhawks, St. Louis’ fans travel. And they were out in force at the United Center on Sunday, noticeably chanting “Let’s go, Blues!” throughout the game. For a front office that’s as image-aware as the Blackhawks’ current group is, having a national audience hear that couldn’t sit well.

What also didn’t sit well was the Blackhawks starting the game with little edge. Yes, the Blackhawks held the Blues to seven shots on net in the opening 20 minutes. But Chicago also managed only seven shots on net in the first period. Both teams had an empty power play in the first but neither side was able to do much.

Jake Allen got the start for St. Louis. The last time the Blackhawks were shutout at home was by St. Louis – with Allen in net – on Dec. 2. And the Hawks didn’t look like a team pushing for a postseason berth early.

The second period got a little more interesting. First, enormous respect to the Blackhawks for a tribute video they produced and showed during the Kiss Cam television timeout during the second period. Anyone who has been to a Hawks home game in recent years knows the old couple that was almost always featured during Kiss Cam. This montage found all of the dust in the room.

The Hawks got two power plays in the opening 11 minutes of the second period but failed to do anything with them. In fact, the Hawks had 7:45 of power play time in the game before they were able to generate a single shot on net while having the advantage. Chicago’s power play has gone back to dumpster fire level awful at the worst time possible in the season.

Robert Bortuzzo got St. Louis on the board at 6:41 into the second period. That would be the only goal in the second even though the Hawks out-shot the Blues 13-10 in the period.

The game took a hard turn 15 minutes into the second. Oskar Sundqvist caught Adam Boqvist in the face with a fist/the butt of his stick, the second time Boqvist got his high in the game. As Boqvist was down on the ice a line brawl broke out. Drake Cagguila dropped the gloves with Vince Dunn. Cagguila held his own for a bit, standing up for Boqvist; Dunn ended the fight with a couple hard rights to Cagguila’s face.

The fight showed how much the roles in the Central Division have reversed. Now, it was the Blackhawks who were chasing a cheap fight trying to create a spark while the defending champs on the other side were able to play a heavy game and win the fights that did start. Chicago was getting handled on every inch of the ice.

Before the third period began, the Hawks announced Boqvist wouldn’t return as he was under further evaluation; he missed Friday night’s game in Detroit because of a wrist issue but a couple shots to the head in this game were the cause for him getting some additional attention. Cagguila was also done for the night because of a right hand issue. He missed time earlier in the year because of a concussion and took a couple hard shots from Dunn.

So the Blackhawks were chasing one with two important parts of the roster out for the third period.

Alex Pietrangelo extended the Blues’ lead to 2-0 at 5:37 into the third period and the Blackhawks looked terribly flat.

Chicago failed to register a shot on net in the opening 12 minutes of the third period while chasing two. The Hawks weren’t able to sustain any pressure in the offensive zone and didn’t have any presence in front of Allen the entire night.

As more “Let’s go, Blues!” chant came down from the stands the Blackhawks pulled Corey Crawford with three minutes left in regulation for an extra attacker. St. Louis nearly scored into the empty net within seconds of Crawford leaving but the shot was wide left; but the Hawks continued to struggle to sustain puck possession in the offensive zone.

Again, this was a Blackhawks team that was openly talking about making a playoff run. They were down two goals and had three shots on net with 150 seconds left in regulation.

Jeremy Colliton used his timeout with 1:13 left in regulation, still down two. That didn’t matter. The final 73 seconds ticked off the clock and the Blackhawks were shutout on home ice.

If you paid for playoff tickets, roll that money over to next year. Because the postseason ain’t happening, folks. The final nail for the coffin was the loss in Detroit. The hammer for that nail was Sunday against the Blues.

Cagguila picked up four hits in 4:39 before leaving with his “hand” injury.

Boqvist was credited with one blocked shot in 10:56 before he left for further evaluation. After the game, Colliton confirmed he is in concussion protocol.

Ryan Carpenter skated 8:43 and won two of three faceoffs. He was credited with a team-leading five hits.

Chicago’s power play was 0-4. The Hawks finished the night with 29 shots on goal and none of them went in.

Patrick Kane put a team-high seven shots on net in 26:21 on the ice. Jonathan Toews won 10 of 26 faceoffs in 23:49.

The all-female broadcast team for NBC did a tremendous job calling the game. Hopefully this opens the door for more women playing a prominent role in hockey broadcasts at every level.

101 thoughts on “Blackhawks Lose Second Straight, Playoff Chances Effectively Dead

  1. @ tim 2 – from oilers article

    i don’t think 27 was mugged. a tough hit to take certainly. i believe clean in the beginning with an unfortunate follow through. but i don’t think it was intentional.

    regarding 91-20-17. 91 can be an effective fourth line grinder. when he is stupid enough to take the enforcer role he is only putting himself in harms way for the career ending concussion.

    20 plays hard, plays the body, fights in the corners. he is not an enforcer. 17 has offensive skills and thats all he brings to the table. you can’t expect players to be what they aren’t. those two will never fight.

    it goes back to the person who crafted the roster. he thought it was a good idea to bring back an oft concussed player to be an enforcer this season. worked just as well as expecting the d-man with a history of shoulder injuries to stay healthy.

    mcbowman is following in the footsteps of garpax. hope rocky has figured out that new eyes need to be on this franchise.

  2. Yes this was an excepted loss. A win vs Was Pitt or Dal will offset the Detroit loss. All other games must be wins especially the home and home vs Minny.

    In the event of losses to Minny bring up Cramarossa. His target is #71. Cram should want to bite the hand that once fed him.

    As for next year. Need to call up Tim “Dr Hook McKracken, Ross “Mad Dog ” Madison, Clarence “Screaming Buffalo ” Swamptown, Andres “Poodle” Lussier, Gilmore Tuttle and of course Ogie Ogilthrope for the games against Stl. Best case scenario is we play them in preseason. If the NHL has anything to say to us just have them talk to Sammy “Small Print” Lyman.

  3. There is no heart in this team, they’ve been going through the motions all season. Pushed around all year, absolutely no net front presence and worst passing team in the league. Yes the coach and GM need to go but these players need to be held accountable for their shitty play and lack of heart.

  4. A PP goal might have made a difference tonight but probably not – still their inept PP just sucks the life out of them and gives momentum to the other team

    There are some pieces there for the Hawks with the young guys but not enough yet and not enough experience plus they need some bigger heavier players on both front and back end – on Bortuzzo’s goal there must have been 3 maybe 4 Hawks standing around fishing for the puck not moving any Blues player at all or physically engaging them in any way

    Hope Boquist and Caggs are OK – worried about concussions for both of them – they both have a history

    Lots of work to do in the off season

    Start warming up the draft simulator

  5. @ earl

    no argument with your opinion, but the shitty players with no heart are what they are.

    the management hired these shitty players with no heart. were they good players with the hearts of lions when they were brought aboard? probably not. when you build a roster with these types of players this is what you get.

    the way you hold these players accountable is the same way you hold the gm and head coach accountable. you get rid of them at the end of the season.

  6. Boquist in concussion protocol – not a good sign – I think he had a fairly bad one the year he was drafted – anyone?

    Hate to see his career cut short or his ability to play like he can curtailed

  7. Got your 3 game ticket plan yet? Apparently Blues fans got in. Time for the suits to finally be accountable for this disintegration

  8. Wrap Boqvist had 2 concussi9ns 2017 18 his draft year and one the year before, this could be his 4th.

  9. Not concerned about the loss, the big thing is Boqvist and Cagguila.

    Tim Cagguila, Strome, Debrincat and Keith were the others on the ice. Keith and Debrincat got rag dolled and as usual Strome stood and watched it all. Seeler should have been sent after out to make a statement. Don’t agree hit on Boqvist was unintententional at all. You don’t give somebody the butt of your stick to the face by mistake.

    Hope there is changes before next season, on and off the ice. Hopefully some linemates that actually play with Kane be nice. Watching him on his regular lines Colliton force fed this year was brutal.

  10. All you guys have pretty much nailed it ,but what the heck,I will pile on also.The Hawks finally drew the Blues attention this year and as we all knew a manhandling was inevitable.The problem is that Bowman & Co. are putting the future at risk when you toss Boqvist,Dach,etc. to a group of large angry men before they have matured and grown into their bodies.And then you add the embarrassment of having one of your smaller players, who has serious concussion issues and more heart than the entire team,out there to serve as your enforcer.If Seeler does not want to step up and just runs his mouth,he can be sent to Rockford.He played most of the game and had several opportunities to go with Sammy Blain,who knocked him into tomorrow,and then Samford came out and challenged him with no response.As for the game itself,Oreilly dominated Toews,1 shot on goal a minus 1 and 10 out of 26 faceoffs won.That aint gonna get it done.The Hawks smaller non physical forwards were kept to the outside and out of scoring areas all night.The Blues Defensemen are fast ,big,and make themselves available for offensive plays.Nylander,Carpenter,Highmore,Kamph,Strome can not physically compete against this type of team.They just wont engage and its obvious.I hope Rocky was at the game to hear the thousands of Blues fans chanting Lets Go Blues all night.If tonight does not push you into action,I dont know what will.

  11. Fire McDonough/ fire bowman / fire colliton . Time has passed move on and rebuild get rid of seabrook and strome and half the team mostly dead weight . Thanks bowman for messing this team u inherited up

  12. Rocky Wirtz and Hawks better wake up this summer and not fall into the same trap the Habs in Montreal have fallen into After missing the Playoffs for 3 seasons in a Row,Fans need someone to blame, and unfortunately for Montreal Canadiens head coach Claude Julien, that happens to be him. Habs followers want him fired along with $2.3 million a year general manager Marc Bergevin .For the first time in 10 years ,the $450 seats on the glass are Half empty and the $140 seats in the nose bleeds stay empty.

  13. Caggiula has a hand injury due the fight. Figure it to be broken and him done for the year.

    Worse, Boqvist in concussion protocol. Figure him done for the year.

    Terrible turnovers and losing board battles and not getting people to the net, against a good strong team ….. that’s a loss.

  14. Even though we were never really a physical team during the cup runs, we had players who could handle rough play. The 2015 team had Hossa, Sharp, Shaw, Vermette, Bickel, Saad, Hammer, Seabs and Oduya among others who could hold their own in a physical game. Since then both drafting and player acquisition has been heavily skewed to “skill” players. This has resulted in a roster that is completely unable to handle fast, physical teams – which is the clear trend for how you win in the playoffs. Even the players we traded that cause many such heartburn (Panarin, Teauvo, Joki, Schmaltz) wouldn’t make a major difference on this roster as they are smaller skill guys. I believe this is much more than getting one or two enforcers – we need to find multiple players that can compete in this environment. SB owns this roster and it is not built to compete in the playoffs. Assuming there is a new GM, I hope he has the support and courage to make some significant changes cause thinking that this roster, as currently constructed, is close is a pipe dream.

  15. This is what happens when u bring a knife to a gunfight. Gilbert would have been the right personnel but no, Colliton dresses the little team. Embarrassing that Cagguila has to be called on to do dirty work. Boqvist will continue to get run at. Stan has put some of these players at risk.

  16. i will repeat myself.

    playing 27 and 77, wasting an elc year for both, and starting the ufa clocks for both in a pathetic attempt to slip into the playoffs was ignorant.

    these are children playing against men in a league that gives no free passes. they are lucky to have gotten by so far without significant injury, if in fact 27 has not suffered yet another concussion.

    neither of these guys would be in the nhl if they were playing on teams that compete for the cup. only on a shit team with the gm putting saving his job ahead of the future of the team.

  17. @ BYE BYE
    I find what you say to be very accurate. Boqvist and Dach are in over their heads.
    Unfortunately just like upper management being out to lunch many on this site also believe Boqvist and Dach should have played for Chicago this year.
    YouTube video made me think of our Blackhawks…..How the Red Wings’ attempts to maintain a dynasty caused their demise…. Chicago 2.0

  18. Thank you, BYE BYE BOWMAN.
    Again, this is an owner’s team. Rocky, the future failure is on you, Sir.

  19. @ drewp1033

    agree with you totally.

    can’t blame bowman and mc donough anymore. the results are in and they both have been failures. for five years.

    it is now in rocky’s hands to make the necessary changes. no changes >>> rocky’s fault.

    mc donough – out or reassigned to marketing, selling seats, and day to day non hockey related duties

    out – bowman, colliton, coaching staff, rockford coaching staff.

    hire a vp of hockey operations. vp hires gm and both hire coach. both hire rockford staff. one vision of the make up of the team from vp down to assistant coaches at rockford.

    also – mandatory – vp hires an expert on cap management. no more stupid contracts for too much money and too many years. no more nmcs.

  20. No one has mentioned the terrible turnover by Nylander on the second goal.
    Took the puck from him in his own zone—awful. Should have been stapled to the bench and sit out a few games— egregious sin! Effectively killed any chance for come back in the game

  21. Dach has fit in just fine…sure it has been a learning curve and a little out matched physical but he has handled himself…playing in the WHL and scoring 120 points playing with 17 and 18 yr olds wouldn’t have done him any good and don’t believe he could have gone to the AHL.

    A little better argument for Boqvist going down but the AHL is pretty dangerous place as well…arguably more with the goons that play there. Let’s not overreact as we don’t even know he has a concussion…I am pretty sure he will be just fine…although tempted to sit him the rest of the year since they aren’t playing for anything.

    100% agree with everyone that we need a couple of guys to take care of business so teams like the Blues don’t take liberties.

  22. All the posts tonite got it right on Bowhead roster. Boys-blues went after 27 on purpose . Watch-cheap shotting Kane isn’t too far away.

  23. Teams are an extension of their coach. Over a period of time they acquire his personality. The Blues are not a really “fast” team. The Blues are not a “highly skilled” team. The Blues are not a “puck possession” team. The Blues are a team that wins board battles, finishes their checks and goes to the front of the net. They play the game ALOT like Craig Berube did when he played.

    Caggs should have never fought Vince Dunn, but Caggs is not going to back down from a guy throwing around his teammates. Not a good decision by Caggs but the guy has heart. We just don’t have enough guys that can win board battles and go to the front of the net. The game has evolved again, it is won and lost on the boards and in the front of the net. We lose on both accounts.

    I am so happy that we are losing games like this. Colliton and Bowman have got to go. This team has no identity because the coach has no identity. The GM has no idea what kind of team to build because the game has passed him by.

    After the Stanley Cup you send these two guys packing, hire a GM that knows how to build a TEAM and you let the GM hire a coach that knows how to coach at the NHL level. There is no desperation in this GM, coach or the team. NONE!

    I was disgusted with the Detroit game. I don’t care that their plane was late, I don’t care that they didn’t get enough sleep and I don’t care that they played back to back games. FIND A WAY TO WIN THAT DAMN GAME!!!! Good coaches and good teams “find a way”. This coach should be coaching a bantam team in Bolingbrook.

  24. Reggie F’ing Dunlop-your post is perfect! A 10 out of 10! You see JC’s postgame. This is a guy that’s “safe”, backed carte Blanche by a “safe” ( from being fired) GM. All PC-political spin. It’s nauseating. A zombie virus must have eaten Wirtz’s brain!!!! For JC to say “we’re gonna “FIGHT” to the end is a joke. He couldn’t ( & didn’t as a player) find a fight in a phone booth. This isn’t Bolingbrook Bantom-it’s the f’ing Hull-Mikita-nesterenko- MAGNUSON-saverd- Roenick-Chelios-Probert-Brouwer-Chicago Blackhawks!!!!!!!!

  25. @reg

    you are spot on about caggiula, which is why i don’t want him back next year at any price. he will be the shaw of 20-21. he is too competitive (not smart enough?) to play his effective fourth line role in a “stay healthy” manner. we all know it is a dangerous sport. but you don’t have to go out in search of a concussion.

    i started watching the hawks in 1955 and have seen the entire gamut of fighting in nhl games. have listened to all of the blowhard, neanderthal rhetoric that eliminating fighting will ruin the sport. it is all nonsense. the blows caggiula took to his head at the end of the fight have no place in hockey if the nhl is serious about protecting their players from concussions. if the league is going to allow fighting they must ban punching above the shoulders.

  26. Had no problem with Boqvist and Dach playing in Nhl this season. Both have skills that are Nhl calibur, with experience they gained confidence, with confidence they showed progression. Did they thrive or just survive, well Dach becoming one of the top 2 way forwards on his team attests to that. Yes he needs more offense and improvement on fos but that is not uncommon. The last 2 gsmes when Boqvist not in the lineup shows how much he is missed and is progressing there, so yes their games were ready for Nhl. As far as still boys growing into there bodies, that’s a general statement against Nhl drafting players to young not a reason. There is no guarantee or probability that there is less chance of getting concussions in juniors or minors. Their high profile status actually as pointed out they quite likely are a target for somebody looking at getting noticed for draft or Boqvists case in Ahl for somebody wanting to get a callup. If the goal is to have all rookies appear as mature as Kubalik then the answer is to draft 23 year olds.

  27. Bye Bye-I started watching NHL in 1956 on CBS-then I took my skates and went to the millpond where I was “whomever”. I do NOT want Caggs, or Cat, nor Strome, Dach , Boqvist, Keith, Kane, Toews, Kubalik, to fight …BUT-here is the “ beauty” of hockey: in the real world where bad peoples get away with doing bad things-hockey players “ mete out” “ instant justice. All teams need a few players to do that. IT HAS. ALWAYS BEEN SO!!! Not goons… not even a classic enforcer…just a guy like Caggs, only 6’ 3” 220-230. Until Wirtz sees that “ not in touch with hockey GM “ ( ditto JC who thinks hockey is x’s & o’s instead of heart) forgot this fundamental “truth” about hockey ( & hockey players)…hawks will get run out of rinks. Gilbert “ may” need to improve-but he stood up for HIS team-& you could see the boys “ felt” that. The boys knew they had backup. IT has always been so.

  28. @ tim2

    i understand your point of instant justice on the ice and don’t argue against that if player safety isn’t an issue. but when we started watching there was no understanding of concussions.

    as we know sports evolve. when it comes to health issues, especially one as severe as concussions, i think the players have to be protected from themselves. i admire caggiula’s desire to stick up for his teammates. especially when he plays on a team of chicken shit cowards who avoid the typical, physical play of hockey. but caggiula was concussed at the end of february 2019 and missed a month. he was concussed again last november. this isn’t the guy who should be attempting to mete out instant justice against a player who outweighs him by almost thirty pounds.

    perhaps the league should install a five minute major and a ten minute misconduct for hits above the head regardless of intent. maybe that will encourage players to keep better control of their sticks during contact.

  29. Gotta love Mondays. And that’s before reading the sports news.

    And then there is the part about getting slapped around by the Blues. Men vs Boys.

  30. Anybody holding tickets for the rest of year should sell them on resale sights for 5.00 welcome back oldman wirtz

  31. Forgot about rebuild we have no talent left in the minors its all playing and starring for other nhl teams its time to be the laughingstock of nhl again

  32. I was unable to watch the game. Would have enjoyed the opportunity to listen to the play call. I am all for getting some fresh voices. Let me be the first to suggest they should fire Pat Foley at the end of the season. Everybody should light one up and lighten the hell up and look forward to the off(ing) season.

  33. Ted-to quote the imminent, intrepid Boris Badanoff ( you know- from Rocky & Bullwinkle-a great source of lierature, catharsis& living vicariously):
    Descriptive of GM & Coach et al”it’s not a strategy….it’s not a tragedy….it’s a Stragedy”.

  34. Guys, I’m so over it.

    RANT: The half-assing by the front office has cost us ANOTHER season of 2, 19, 88, & 50’s careers for nothing.
    No matter how *you* feel about him, 7 is a piece the boys need in the dressing room. 7’s body *literally* broke in three places!
    They. Are. Exhausted–of the coach, of the situation they are in. Thanks Bowman.

    IMO 2, 7, 19, 50, 88 all deserve better. They lead the Reinassance. They are smarter than that lifeless Woody doll that’s behind the bench. God, I want to punch his face. How the hell did anyone think that wet noodle of a coach could get anybody amped up for anything, let alone a bunch of future HOFers?

    Tab, like you wrote, if last night’s Blues fans takeover of the UC didn’t open Rocky’s eyes to the reality of the current state of his franchise, I don’t know what will. Reminded me of Detroit in the old days.
    Come on, Rocky: you cleaned house once, you can do it again. Listen to your Captain & Co.
    Engage them. Get them a coach that will listen to them, work with them and not just ride them till they are dead every night.
    Get a GM who knows how to manage the Cap.
    Stop letting the PR man McDonough pull the wool over your eyes.

    Rant Over.

  35. No pushback from me Stefanie. I said it much earlier this year – it was time for the leaders of the team to sit down with manglement and air the dirty laundry. Too late to fix the laundry now. Time to buy new clothes.

    Unfortunately the contract structures of too many players will prohibit doing what is needed.

    You reap what you sow.

  36. Last night was “it” for me. I have young boys who were too young to appreciate the last three cups, and this team has broken their little hearts these past 2 years. I know my situation isn’t unique. This organization is going to lose it’s cache in this town quickly, if fans don’t see a serious shake-up with. I agree that Bowman, McDonough, and Colliton all need pink slips. I feel like I’ve stepped into a time machine and gone back to the bad ol’ days with no accountability, and complacency in spades.
    Rolling over to The Wings and then getting manhandled by St. Louis last night should be the defining moments of another miserable season.

  37. in december of 2017 i sold my third level, fourth row season tickets to a blues game in march 2018 for $200 (cost $100). in march of 2018 i sold the same tickets to an april 2018 blues game for $65 and was lucky to get that. the team had tanked and the aftermarket had tanked.

    that was my 35th season with season tickets. i have been wintering in arizona for six years and selling most of my tickets. four people bought 35 games from me for the 17-18 season for $125 per seat (cost $100). those four spoke up for ten games for the 18-19 season. my hockey bucket list had cleaned out. four cups in my lifetime and i was at the cup winning game in 2015. i had no desired to try to peddle 25 individual games on the aftermarket and lose money so i gave up the tickets. every game this season has had tickets on stub hub for underwater prices including the home opener.

    if that doesn’t get rocky’s attention then i am afraid we are stuck with mc donough and bowman much as the old man was stuck with pulford. that would be IN DENIAL. rocky better figure this out quick.

    hawks fans are not nearly as stupid as bulls fans. they will get back to the sub 5,000 attendance level again if this team keeps free falling. this crap continues for three more years and then toews and kane are gone and it will get real ugly.

  38. Stefanie,I agree with your on the money assessment of the President and General Manager.They have failed in providing the basic players necessary for success. As far as the Coach and staff goes,I think the problem is that Colliton is now trying to cater to the players and make life easy for them.The Optional Skate every day thing is unheard of and laughed at.You need to have stressful practices to mimic tough games and schedules.All players have to be held accountable.Very little NHL coaching experience on the bench has doomed Colliton from the start.As I have said,this is an organizational disaster that has to be dealt with by the owner.I don’t believe Rocky is ready to make those hard decisions.

  39. When JC gave in to the players after all of the tantrums, he lost me as a coach. Said it then – and stand by it. The horse is pushing the cart, not pulling it.

    That was the end of his short NHL career. I believe he is good for a young team, but this was the worst situation he could have hoped to find – a bunch of big ego vets. Toronto would have been better – those clowns don’t have any hardware to show for their huge salaries!!

    Nobody should want to coach Toronto now without first being told YOU ARE IN CHARGE. DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. And GOOD LUCK.

    Can’t do that here. Only manglement can fix it. They broke it.

  40. Sorry guy’s but none of the three amigo’s (JC, Blowman and McDonut) are going anywhere until we hit Rocky in the pocketbook. As long as games sell out, they don’t give a shit. Thought Rocky was different, breath of fresh air for a stale franchise, and he was for awhile but now he is spineless and weak. He won’t change anything until the 200 and 300 sections start going bare. Stop going to the games and see how long these 3 shlubs stick around.

  41. Silent, Q was in the business of winning games, the players relate to that. Colliton lost this team right away, with what was more of an engineer approach that the book says do it this way it’ll work, sometimes what the book tells you has no practical use but the engineer insists it does and the players never relate to that. He may be a good developer of talent but right now at least hasn’t got what it takes to be a winner at this level.

  42. Right now I don’t care who gets canned and who doesn’t. Let’s figure that out after another abysmal year without the playoffs. Three years in a row Rocky!

    What I want to see is lessons learned on the ice. Even though I like Nylander, that was a bone-headed play that took any momentum away from us in evening the score. He should have been benched right away, and he should get a press box seat next game. Let’s create a culture of do’s and don’ts, and if you mess up, there will be repercussions.

    Now, with Boqvist out and Caggs out, how about bring up a couple of big boys and let them have at these c..ts from St. Louis!

    Also, how about bringing up Hagel and Fortin, I don’t want to see Carpenter and Kampf anymore, they have shown me what they are. Let’s see if any of our kids can be an impact player for next year. I know that Fortin is a break-a-way waiting to happen and makes defenses account for him. We don’t have anyone like that up here. We need that weapon. F’kng Stan!!

  43. Tommy,Unfortunately the Hawks won’t see the Blues till next year and the Blues knew that last night.A normal team out of the playoff race goes after the Blues top players.They knew there would be very little response and they were right.Seeler had about 2 periods of regular shifts to exact a response and decided to back off and chirp.The way this team is constructed where was that response going to come from once Cagguila left?Nylander,Carpenter,Kamph,Highmore,Strome,Kubalik,Saad????Too many Affable Men as Wyatt Erp would say.

  44. Firing Q was the right move for the very reason you state Ian. He had to go because the focus of the organization had to change from winning to developing. Q had a minimal amount of that to do during his tenure, and by the way wasn’t very good at it. His change had to be first.

    I’m not going to argue about what JC did wrong or right or why, but he sealed his own fate. Hopefully he learns from it too.

    The change needs to come now. Last year I said that after the 2020 season Bowman had to stand up and take the credit/blame for the team status. It’s time. It’s now his team and coaching staff.

    Simply put – he has added some pieces that made sense in the short term (Carpenter and Lehner), potentially building blocks to get us through to our minor league system maturing some players (deHaan, Maatta, Smith), and some riskier moves (Shaw, Caggiula), but also brought in some young players with NHL skill sets in a position in their career to bloom or flop (Strome, Dcat, Kneelander, Kampf, Kubalik).

    As a board, we judge these moves differently and converse about them a lot. My opinion – we have some good ones and some bad ones. We have some kids with promise (27, 8, 12) and some not where we hoped they be (92, 17). Important decisions to be made on a bunch of contracts. and some unknowns (injuries) really mess things up.

    I believe now is the time for fresh eyes and coaching. I don’t think Bowman has accomplished what I hoped he would. Injuries hurt (no pun intended), but ultimately he didn’t have the pulse on his veterans and we blew months of development as tantrums ran our team. That’s on Bowman and JC. they didn’t get it done in a structure of contracts that gave them no flexibility – signed mostly by Bowman.

    Manglement needs to get with the players and point out how things are going to be going forward. It’s a business first, and while employees get some say in many businesses, not so much in the privately held ones. The vets were financially taken care of for the success they brought to Chicago. Decision time guys. Get with the program and act professional or let us move you out.

    Time to turn the page. Mediocrity is no longer acceptable. It was heard loud and clear in the UC last night. Ownership is risking a lot by staying status quo.

  45. Yup…bunch of pussies praising the forced “girl power” announcing team and bemoaning fighting because their player got laid out like a little bitch…sounds like a Hawks message board to me all right. Softest team, dumbest fan base. Enjoy another 50 years of suck ladies. Or as your new hero Kendall Coyne Schofield would say “uh…you guys……………..are……..uh……..idiots.” LULZ. Losers.

  46. I was so disgusted after the debacle that I needed a true Hockey fix with a group of edgy talented players.Watched an injured,tired,but big and fast Columbus Bluejacket team just play their asses off on the last game of a road trip out west.It was the type of in your face relentless Hockey that everyone would have enjoyed.Could you imagine a Bob Gainey type of G.M with Tortorella coaching?Not 1 true superstar on the ice and rolling 12 physical forwards and hard hitting D men.Nice

  47. Johnny Blue…
    I’m chagrined to agree with most of your sentiments…
    I think many of us Hawks fans have been spoiled/dazzled by the last decade, where (minus the brevity of Big John Sott’s illustrious stint) there wasn’t a ton of sandpaper needed. We were a puck-possesion team, and we were the best at what we did, hence the “Team of the Decade” mantle we rightly earned.
    There were of course the odd moments of “Old Time Hockey” sprinkled in (que Wakey Wakey Backes), but for the most part, we just skated around the “tougher” teams, and that won out in the end.

    Those years are over, and the league has gotten “heavier” and tougher, and we have woefully missed the memo.

    I, for one, was not enamored with the force-fed “Girl Power” production of yesterday’s broadcast, and felt it was more of the SJW crap that permeates almost all of today’s society/culture.
    It didn’t improve my mood while watching our players getting hammered by your current goon sqaud, that’s for sure.
    I’d love to see the Hawks “back on the warpath, to coin a phrase,” though I aint holding my breath.

  48. 4 concussions in 3 seasons for a smallish dman like Boqvist is bad news for sure. Feel for the guy buy this is the NHL. Playoff hockey, he will get hit every second, ask Keith!
    Evan Bouchard & Noah Dobson, ring bell Mr. Bowman? What size are those dmen? What size are Beaudin, Mitchell and Boqvist? Did he actually think these 3 smurfs, all skilled but too light would be our future on he blueline? As The HAMMER, SEABS, ODUYA, and KEITH what it takes?
    What a clown this GM ! And Kelley?

  49. Silent Q got the most out of his players, which is exactly what he was paid to do. If a rookie earned it, he played, cost some good players but can’t argue with the success. Under Colliton the team has badly underacheived, time for a change and Bowman too as he is ultimately responsible. Agree management owes it to the players to communicate where this going. Consider that alot of the problem the last few years is Bowman hasn’t done that and by recent comnents seems to feel he still doesn’t need to. His moves last off season addressed needs in sort of unconventional acquisitions but that can’t be changed now, move on.

  50. I get the whole Q thing. Just think he could have been part of the solution moving forward, had he chosen. Like Kane’s desire to not be a prominent part of the defensive side of our team (we all know he can impact at the “other” end of the ice when he so chooses), we all get to make decisions that also affect others. Those ultimately become part of our legacy. To disregard is to take things out of simple context. Babcock and his legacy are seeing adjustments now too.

    Manglement better pay attention. They are getting to a point where they will lose a part of the fan base that may not be replaceable so easily. When season ticket holders have to take a beating to move games they don’t attend, things are changing in the fan base.

    The bandwagon works both ways.

  51. What a surprise that the Hawks didn’t make the playoffs? I knew that before the season started. Kubalik could be the next superstar. We were all surprised by that.
    Starting the season with 6 Rookies and a bunch of Grinders couldn’t match up with the Veteran teams. The Hawks weren’t worried about offense just defense and in the end, lack of offense cost them the playoffs. Toews, Kane, Keith and Crawford deserved a little more help.

  52. I’m trying to remember why I visit this website. Must remember not to anymore.
    Thank goodness weed is legal in Illinois.

  53. Roamn, were 4-2 and need to go 9-2 to have a chance. Thats win 5 in a row, then there 7 games left.

    For top 5 skill draft player.
    DET 82
    LA 8
    OTT 7
    SJ 6
    ANA 5
    BUF 2
    NJ 0
    CHI 1
    MON 1
    ARI 5
    NYR 8

    8th pick right now. Really 6th-9th pick.

  54. “Chasing the cheap fight?” Are you kidding me. As much as I would like to forget last nights game, I can’t yet. And what I remember is bigger, brawnier Blues players delivering cheap shots on the Hawks smaller, milder players. And what happened afterward is what really turned my stomach. Colliton wouldn’t even unleash his best fighter (Nick Seeler). “Don’t ever take a penalty, kid!” Why even have him on the team if he isn’t utilized in a game like this? At least, Caggiula felt secure enough man-up. That monotone, expressionless, uninspiring, quasi-intellectual Colliton’s gotta go! I usually prefer young and dynamic leadership. However, I think these Hawks need some old crone with a hard-nosed but simple system (i.e. Crawford, Boudreau, etc.) to step into the locker room and seize immediate control … and, if needbe, a guy who won’t hesitate to whisper in his best fighter’s ear, “See that guy that just decapitated little Boqvist? You know what to do.”

  55. Mock drafts have top 3 players same in every one basically. So 4-12th pick is the key. Ian says the quality is same from 4-12th being a deep draft. Were at 6-9th pick right now so thats safe in being in that range with 4th or 5th pick of thte 4-12 group. Which is important because not sure if 101112th picks end up being as good and we get our choice out of the 4-12 group picking maybe 4th from there.

    4-12
    Raymond
    Rossi
    Hotz
    Lundell
    Perfetti
    2 Defensemen, only 2 in top 17 picks
    1 goalie

  56. Allen, been saying that since Crow got hit/run into last game STL. Since then we have had several guys get head/helmet/face/other on cheapshots.

    New gm sign
    The Hansons, toppair Defensemen, new system.

  57. @Brad Allen If you are talking about Marc Crawford… Crawford has done nothing in the last shall I say fifteen years. Crawford coached Ottawa last year and didn’t make a difference. Ottawa didn’t want him back… Why? No way Crawford would make a positive difference as a head coach for Chicago….Hard pass on Marc Crawford.

  58. Hull…are you the agent for Bouchard and Dobson? …give it a rest. A couple of years when Boqvist is the QB of the PP and playing 25 mins a game, let’s see what you say.

    You lack of IQ is staggering

  59. I held off posting simply because I was so aggravated watching last nights game and then processing what I had witnessed. Simply stated, to my eyes last nights game was flat out embarrassing to watch as a Hawks fan. Blues just dominated ALL OVER the ice. Did Jake Allen even break a sweat? He basically saw almost every shot put towards net by the Hawks. Sending guys to screen goalies is not technically difficult, but teams need players that are willing to do that, consistently. Hawks didn’t do this until what, the 3rd period? Blues did it for 3 periods daring Hawks d men to clear them out. I was heartened to see Crow pop a few guys that his team mates were not willing to move. Reflecting back on this season, I have seen Connor Murphy regress as a physical defenseman. This guy has a big frame but he plays like he is a 5’10” pansy. What the hell is wrong with this guy? And why did Colliton not dress Gilbert against the Blues?

    Sure Hawks forwards are generally Smurfs compared with the Redwood Blues d corps. That’s Bowmans fault! Hawks lineup simply does not match up against these teams like the Blues or Boston. Those teams pretty much laugh at the Hawks. God knows we could all see Blues players chuckling on the bench and on the ice. Blais was daring Hawks players to match his intensity. Guess what, Hawks had zero pushback except for little Caggs whose heart is bigger than most. That guy was willing to lay it on the line for his team mates. I did like like D cat laying down to thwart a late game open net chance, but hey to little too late!

    While Seabrook may be done or end of his career I think he would have stood up for his team mates last night. This Hawks team needs some character players. The Blues are loaded with these guys. They roll 4 lines every game, all hands on deck. I think the coach brings a certain personality to the team they coach. Sad to say but JC is simply too laid back to coach a team that is trying to find some sort of identity. He needs to go. Bowman needs to go. Marketing whiz McD needs to be shown the door. Wake up Rocky! Bring in HOCKEY people. Sack N. American scouting. Promote the Euro guys.

    Just remember this team, has NOT been lessened with key injuries. Were it not for top quality goaltending Hawks would be looking at a much higher draft, and Crow is one bad concussion from being out of hockey. I was not optimistic at the start of the year. This season has played out sadly enough kind of how I thought it would go. Some highs and some lows.

    Sorry for the rant. I’m still pissed off about losing at home to the Blues who just dominated, and watching Jake Allen? post his second shutout this season in the UC against our lineup thin Hawks. And that followed the half assed effort in Detroit.

    Serenity now!!

    Let’s Go Hawks!

  60. The Hawks have exhausted me this year – it’s been very frustrating to watch right from the very start of the season when it was clear to me and others that JC was not an NHL coach

    That D scheme that he force fed the team for the first 15 or so games was an embarrassment – the time to make a bold move like firing JC and bringing in a good NHL coach was then and possibly the season could have been saved

    Unfortunately the move was not made and the rest of the year unfolded predictably – the most predictable being that CHI never learnt the basics of protecting a lead – that’s on Colliton as well as all his goofy lines (Carpenter centreing Kane anybody?) and improper utilization of players (Kubalik anybody?)

    The players I think mostly played hard (for which I give the vets more credit then JC) so whay=t exactly did Colliton do in 2 years on the job other than waste 2 good years of T and K

    So we’ve endured a poorly coached team for almost 70 games and the results are totally what you’d expect for a poorly coached team

    Given that Stan hired the coach in a fit of poor judgement as his boy wonder and kept him for nearly two years with no visible signs of improvement structurally then Stan also has to go

    As others have said the Hawks need a senior VP of Hockey Ops who is a hockey guy – currently there is no one that Stan reports to that is a hockey guy and that’s where the climb back to respectability has to start

    Rocky hires VP of Hockey Ops
    who hires GM
    who hires coach

    …let’s get this train back on the tracks – no excuses for keeping the status quo

  61. Amen Phil. Collin’s brain: “let’s play the least physical guy (Gilbert) against a hard checking team.” “Let’s hope softies Kampf, Boqvist, Nylander can handle Bortuzzo, Parayko, Pietrangelo, Dunn, O’Reilly, Blais.”

  62. Stan Bowman has done to the Blackhawks what John Paxson and Gar Forman did to the Bulls. Destroyed them. First, he fires Joel Quenville, the best coach in the NHL, who led the Blackhawks to 3 Stanley Cups in 6 seasons. He replaces Quenville with Jeremy Colliton, who is faced with succeeding a legend. The poor kid looks like a deer caught in headlights, in over his head. Recently, Bowman dealt away Robin Lehner, the goalie who was a major factor in the NY Islanders pulling off the shocking upset sweep of the Pittsburgh Penquins. The ‘Hawks were able to sign Lehner via free agency. This gave them a quality backup to Corey Crawford when Crawford was either injured, as he often has been the past several seasons, or needed to rest. Lehner was practically given away, with the ‘Hawks receiving little value in return. Now, Marc-Andre Fleury has a quality backup in Vegas instead. I attended my first Blackhawks game in 1959 and they had always been my favorite NHL team. Since the firing of Coach Q, the Blackhawks have dropped to my 4th favorite behind the Blues, the Panthers and the Golden Knights.

  63. Phil,exactly right on point.I have said the same thing each time the Hawks get punched in the mouth by interested teams all year.They sadly have no capability to respond.Which small soft guy are you going to get to land a clean hard hit?McDonough is a joke so I disregard him.He is Rocky,s buddy anyway so he is not going anywhere. Bowman is the main source for this current embarrassment with an honorable mention to Colliton for not holding the players accountable and not speaking up about the lack of Men on this team.

  64. Florida`s A. Saarela with two assists tonight including a strong move behind the net to get a pass to the front of the net for the winning goal. Looks like he played about 13 minutes. He`s young , fast, skilled, and looks to have some weight to him. Can`t believe he couldn`t have found his way onto our roster somewhere. Gave him up for nothing. Not sure why.

  65. Everyone posting here has it right about Wirtz cleaning house ( GM, McD, Coaches) Bye Bye hit it aptly- he said until this mediocrity ( coaching/ roster management) hits Rocky in the pocketbook, Wirtz is going to do nothing….& Kane is going to be wasted. “IF” protected, Boqvist is going to be a star. Ditto Dach & Kubalik. I love Seab’s & Dunc. They have to do what Hossa or be bought out…period. If they stay-bring in some D that will protect our skill guys…& our goalies cuz Sean’s & Dunc will not & have not done so. Finally- Coaching. All the posts re JC have it right. But consider-there is this axiom in sports that a team good at defense- traps doesn’t like to be defensed-trapped. So what did JC do versus Blues??? He had his guys bust their tails, expend their energy “all game” going into the teeth of the trap. How many times did the Hawks put the puck up the boards to their blue line only to have blues trap get the puck? 70 per cent of the time. What did Q do? He shoved back in the opponents face D & trap & had the hawks attack when they had an advantage. He made the other team get frustrated, tired. Sure/ some of those games were 1-0…2-0…3-2…but-Q imposed his will, the teams will on the opponent!!! Instead of allowing his team to feel stupid, which is what Kane & Toews had to be thinking. It is..was so F’ing obvious…& Jc doesn’t see it or get it. I just can’t watch anymore this year. Take the Cat…he “IS” a star. All year JC mismanaged him. Geez. No- Wirtz ain’t gonna do shit! He is gonna sit on his 3 cups…listen to wannabe hangers on- instead of all who post on this site.

  66. Like I said, Hawks CAN’T Score… shooting puss shoots from outside the “box” as other teams welcome those meaningless shots, that are easily stopped by goalies that have 3-5 sec. to get in positi9n. No screens. no tip ins… … HOW did Saad do when he was in the creases edge and shot way laying between goalie & goal line? YUP TOO SLOW AGAIN… funny how opponents dman got stick on puck. Truck Driver all day… (no offense to real TD’s)…. Hawks players now are like the Bears players in their assessment of playing the game.. “It’s just a job”… Culture set by Blowman & Coach

  67. Well said Phil! I have been saying this since Bowman fired Mike Kitchen, traded The Hammer and then Panarin after losing to Nashville!!! Why? Because he is an arrogant little spoiled brat who knows nothing about building a team, retooling, drafting or trading! I agree with everything you said, especially that Seabs and The Hammer would have never let anyone be pushed around. But when Tallon built the team that Bowman later took over for the ride, the only guy you had to protect from dirty hits was Kane and Keith, two Hall of famers! But they had players who took care of themselves like Bolland, Bickell, Hossa, Sharp, Buff, Ladd, Kopey, Frolic, Brouwer, Burrish, Eager, Madden, Saad, Desjardins, Carcillo (no one on this list under 6′ tall).
    Now in 2020, we have to protect 12, 91, 92, 36, 17, 88, 64, 8, 2, 27 and later Beaudin and Mitchell, more smurfs!!! Connor Murphy was a bottom pairing on an awful Coyotes team, he is headless, too nervous with the puck and slow. My only disagreement Phil is Gilbert, who in my opinion is not an NHL player…we don’t need headless goons, we need dmen and forwards who have size, skill, speed and gritt.
    Lehner? I did not like he’s body language or his attitude after being pulled one game yelling at the team with Cup winners coming off the ice!!! Has he ever won anything? NO!!! He’s a good goalie but not great and not a leader. I do agree they could have gotten more for him especially from Carolina. Instead Stan gets nothing plus Subban who is an awful backup. Then today gives Nalimov a PTO, same guy that was out of a job two years ago? Where is the plan?
    Well said Jeff!
    Not sure why Jim???….. Well, maybe because the GM has no clue what he is doing! Saarela was a 2nd round pick and his brother drafted by Stan will never lace up for the Hawks, ask Kevin and Jimmy Hayes why? Yet he keeps the Sikura hype brothers who are AHLers at best!
    Nick Schmaltz has two goals tonight! Kessel not finding the net this season otherwise Schmaltz would have about 50 assists! (so far 11 goals, 34 assists=45 points; imagine 82 games with Kane?)
    And why does he call up Hagel, another player he never drafted just like Entwhistle!
    Let’s see the guy Stan drafted in Kurashev instead. Makes no difference anyway. These are AHL players, not the next Hossa or Sharp!
    Kane once again did his usual allstar part this season.
    Keith had a great all star comeback season now that his knee is fully healed.
    Toews is back since last year, intense, creative and all out again.
    Crawford the usual dominant goalie when he is healthy, better than Lehner,
    I guess the only one who did not do his part the last 5 seasons is Mr. Stan Bowman.
    Colliton? Needs to find another job in Sweden!
    The organization can turn this around quickly if they fire Bowman, the coach and McDonut! Oh yeah, and Scotty!
    Hire Peter Laviolette as coach. If he says no, Dale Hunter!
    Hire Mark Hunter as the GM, if he says no get Doug Wilson.
    Hire a president like Eddie O or Doug Wilson or Darryl Sutter.
    My only doubt remains with Rocky who like his father knows nothing about the game. I hope he does the right thing and not trade 88, 2, 19, 7, or 50!
    But, if he has his father’s mindset, well, we lost JR and Belfour!
    We lost Ken Hodge and Phil Esposito!
    Worst ever is when Mr. Wirtz did not give BOBBY HULL the money he deserved after his last season with the Hawks scoring 50 goals in 78 games in 1971-72, and that playing on a line with two rejects in the late Pit Martin and Jim Pappin. All this while Dennis Hull, his brother was on the team and reaching his prime. Oh yeah, he also did not want to sign Brett Hull who was dreaming about playing in Chicago!!!
    So, will he fire the right guys or trade away the wrong players?
    88, 19, 7, 2, 50 deserve one more kick at the can! To think that Ovie won the cup 2 years ago and he was 32 years old! There is time to turen this around with proper mangement and good off season signings. The Agents hate Bowman!
    Go Hawks!

  68. Bowman trade of Center Alexsi Saarela is working out just fine.He ran over a Blues Defenseman for the Panthers winning goal tonight.He plays hard and is over 200 lbs so he doesn’t fit the Bowman mold I guess.And this 1 is for HULL,Scmaltz 2 Goals tonight.

  69. Phil, Murf and others that have size played that way before this system. Seems like they are told not to play physical or something. He always played that way before this yr.

    Wrap, what wasnt a waste of these 2 yrs is by that happening we got 2 top 5 skill draft players that we wouldnot have gotton and still wouldnt be deep enough to win. not yet. These two players 27 77 can help 19 88 win again. If we have two average 1st round pick players-that might not be enough.

    So I am very happy we got these players. Now we can move forward with these two and have a good team again.

  70. 27, 77 will be good NHL players! They both have lots of heart! So does Dcat! Dach is the a Ryna Getzlaf potential but hopefully he can score goals and be 65-70 point guy because he is already a 200 foot player! Hasn’t scored in 2 months???
    But if you drafted Joku, Krys, and Mitchell before 27 & 77, what about drafting forwards in the top 6 to compliment 88 and 19 that are not undersized but power forwards with size and skill?
    Sharp had edge at 6’1″, Hossa & Ladd had size as well!
    These are the type of players you need to fill a top 6, a top 9, not 91, 92, 95, 36, 22, 15? Let’s not talk about players like Smith and Carpenter that are too slow and are 4th line players on their way out of the NHL like Bouma and Wingels!!! Bowman failed here again, getting washed up 4th line players instead of young ones like Acciari or Donskoi who can skate and score over 15 goals…and are cheaper!
    Bowman has failed and let’s remember that 77, 27 are very young and are not 19 or 2!
    19, 88, and 2 are generational players that come every 20 years or so.
    And if they develop into good NHL players, it will take them 3, 4 maybe 5 years! Kane and Toews were instant stars and won cups at the age of 21 but only when players like Hossa, Madden, and Kopey were signed to fill in the roster. Asnd of course some good drafting and great trades!
    What about drafting Beaudin, Mitchell and then trading Joku for Nylander? His mistake was not replacing all the forwards he lost. You need 12 forwards and only 6 dmen to put a team on the ice Stan!
    He had Keith, Seabs, the Hammer….and for 8 seasons he did not draft a single good prospect on defence except for Stephen Johns that he traded. He has not drafted a single goalie prospect since Tallon drafted Crawford? The last time we had a forward prospect in Rockford that we were excited about were centers Teuvo and Schmaltz! The last time we had a dman was Johns and Joku? The last time we had goalie was Crawford and Antii Niemi? The last time we had a winger prospect was Saad and then Dcat? This is all in the last 10 seasons before Dach and Boqvist were drafted.
    What were Bowman and Mark Kelley doing? Drafting Jack Wise, Vinny, Anthony Louis, Iacopelli, Knott, Hayden…etc…
    27 is a good player, might be better than good if he builds up and does not get concussed ever again.
    But we had Krys, Mitchell and Joku already drafted, we could have used some forwards in the 1st round like Veleno, Walhstrom?

  71. Sharp had edge at 6’1?, Hossa & Ladd had size as well!

    Yes, and we got these guys not from draft. So we need to do same here, get players like these through trade and ufa.

    These are the kind we need, maybe two Laddys.

  72. Not that we were picking top 5/10 those two drafts, but those draft were Defensemen heavy and now look at last yr draft and this draft, no Defensemen in top 10, other then maybe 1 last yr and 1 this yr-only two 17 players deep.

    Thise were the drafts to get D and these are for FW. We need both anyways.

    Not going agasint what your saying, just that we need both so. Mitch is going to be good so trading Buckaroo is mayybe-ok if Beau ends up good but not hearing that so maybe trade Beau for a FW with size.

    And stop trading away players like Sarella and Buck.

  73. But we had Krys, Mitchell and Joku already drafted, we could have used some forwards in the 1st round like Veleno, Walhstrom?

    Think the thought there was, BoQ is better then everybody else-maybe Mitch is close. Its better to have the better players and if you end up with too many of one kind-then trade the extra for a FW prospect/young player.

    Plus we are the top team at Euro scouting, Bread Man Kahun Kubilik so we prob know we got FWs that can score/OFF coming every yr=per say so draft trade elsewhere.

  74. Were totally fine to get our 11 16 once were deep again. Those guys have a way of showing up available wise right when your ready for them. When were deep again a yr-two yrs our next Madden will be a walk on.

  75. Moors- read all your posts. I liked your player assessment. So…Moors …heck…anyone…what FWs do we draft or pursue in FA????&…how do we get some cap space?

  76. Not get abused by thinking/taking it that we cant add because of contracts. Trade enough of players that are nor staying more then a yr or let there contracts run out-until need space. Hvae to litr the injured players 7 44 65 other. Not have two 6m goalies.

    By the time we need more spcae for young wavers bridges these contracts are not on 23 man no matter what. So its about player bonuses and having them on que and having the entire salary cap.

    Donot trade anything were keeping mid/long term, unless it nets us a toppair to make room. The rest of these contracts will runout by the time we realy need them to. We cant do it in one yr so do it that way.

    For next season add toppair when we can get one and add those pgysical players so we can at least play next yr.

    It will happen and no whining about these contracts because they runout anyways in time for when were deep again.

  77. Tim/Roamn/others listed the FW and Defensemen last mth on who to get.

    Were not drafting a toppair Defenemen, unless were top 5 pick again next yr and there hasnt been a Defenemen draft in two yrs now. Have no idea if 21 draft if FW or D or both.

    The last two Defensemen drafts, 17 18, we draft 4 Defensemen in 1st rounds. That is why we did and not FW. Now these drafts, 19 20 ?, we draft FWs.

    Doesnt have to go that way, best player available.

    Theres no excuse not to replace 15 65 6 7 with guys like MArtin/Reaves and those Defensemen Roamn listed. Nonc. This is why we might have to get new dir/gm/coach/system and not just the players because we need to have enough for a team. These kind of players are not as hard to get, per say. 16 65 6 7 are good fillers not for when young wave is ready and were serious again.

    Its all in your head. If you think you cant do anything/or much becaise of contracts youll be stuck there for yrs. Do it. Do it.

  78. at hull65

    can’t argue with the above post at all. just you left out danault who was traded for two pieces of aging shit. we could have 19, danault, and schmaltz playing the center position right now. maybe drafted byram bowen instead of dach. 6’1″ and 195# and hasn’t turned 19 yet. maybe fill out to 210# and be in a young d-man stable with joki, boqvist, and mitchell. but at least we have murphy, de haan, koekkoek, and maata so we are okay.

  79. Mo if Bowman’s statements that getting back to top may take a little while, becomes the new plan of the day, then what ?

    Do players like Shalinov and Entwistle become immediate answers for adding more size and grit to top 9 with Barrett and Kurashev maybe, until Tepley and added draft picks are ready to step in. Do you go with Keith, Dehaan or maybe Seabrook to hold the top 4 together with Boqvist &Murphy until Mitchell maybe Regula or somebody else on current nhl and ahl rosters steps up, or adds made. Will Crawford be no.1 next year with Delia, Nalimov and Lankinen battling for backup and future no.1 with a possible add in draft. Could McDonough retire and Bowman become President in next year or 2 and Colliton given front office role with a new Gm and Coach brought in that way to take the helm.

    Not pushing this but the bar of team success seems to be getting lowered as time goes on for job security, so don’t think that type of situation out of the question.

  80. Mo,Just a quick look at what could be out there for a quick fix-Craig Smith/Nashville. Matt Martin/Islanders. Ryan Reaves/Vegas Derek Grant/Flyers. Sam Bennett/Flames. Gostisbehere/Flyers. Travis Hamonic/Flames. Girgensons/Buffalo.And the top UFA,s you already know about.

  81. “ hey you guuuuyyyys” ( Goonies) “its. Like a gift…you know. It’s like I can’t control it” ( Girl Next Door) you guys that just posted – thanks. Moors/ you convinced me to not push out Seab’s/Dunc. & maybe, just maybe-it’s not them slowing down getting older-maybe it’s the supporting cast.you guys should send resumes to Wirtz for front office jobs. No one can “ control” “seeing” things if they really look. Those who post here see hockey and write an “A”. Bowhead looks at hockey and writes an “F”.

  82. And of course if you really wanted to get crazy,Pietrangelo and Matt Barzal to top things off if you could move Saad,Maata,and Strome.

  83. If you see the core contracts moving 19, 88, 2, 7 and 50 not resigned. The full rebuild is on and won’t be signing any big name free agents, be let the young players develop and hope they become winners for sure then. Any cap space will come from 15, 5 or 6 maybe 20, while 44 and 65 especially look more like ltir than off season trades if room comes from there. You could create a bit by not resigning young rfas 91 and 17 but not sure that is a route they would want to go or not. Any others moved off roster are making minimum hit basically, just salary for salary type moves, not going to create any cap room.

  84. I think we all know that any creative thoughts about doing a quick fix to open up a last run for 88 ,19, 2, and 50 can be tossed in the trash if Bowman and Co. stay.Besides giving Ian Mitchell a shot at making the team out of training camp,I could see Bowman coming back with the same team and hoping for the LTIR players to come back.That would be truly delusional on Bowmans part and depressing for Hawk fans.

  85. Ian, I would think to me it means were not going to add anymore 15 6 44 65 kind of players to get roster full because it didnt work, this time, more though that thats the only way we can right now. Like Noonan said it start with the young wave and still having 19 88. Once were past 19 88 it doesnt matter and its full rebuild anyways. For 2 50 that might be it. I could see 2 playing to 43 like Chara, when the team is deep or has a really good system like BOS does.

    So I am looking at it as 19 88 and your cutting it close by drafting toppair which wont be starting prime yrs until after there first 2-3 yrs, thats kind of close. I still think we draft like that but its not for 19 88 unless 88 plays to 43-which he can and prob does just to piss the people off that donot like him. 88 can be the benfish again like he was in 2013 with Bicks when hes 42 and 43 and add two moar Cups with young wave prime yrs.

    So I think it means we add a toppair in next 24 mths, not a 8m caphit a 5/6m caphit toppair and roll with the depth we already have coming. We do have a bunch of good players coming soon enough. So what do we not have coming. Toppair a some role players.

    Get rid of 15 65 6 44 7 or they runout on there own and add whats we need when we can next 24 mths for young wave time being ready-really ready. 2-3 yrs we should be very good.

    Bowman might not be here and coaches and other. Thats way it might be moar blunt then and we ll have the players by then to.

  86. Having those guys retire and move to different positions is cool idea. Then we can get the kind of gm coaches system other we need.

    I do like the idea of rolling with not a full roster and having that many young players playing because it pretty much gets us another top skill draft player, again. Meanwhile the young players are getting better-which they would anyways and were gathering top 5 picks quality of players. Since we have to waht for young wave anyways to be top 5 team again, it makes sense.

    Now were really talking about a wave of good players.

    I would want enough size though so guys like Gilbert other can hammer any player of other teams when they cheap shot. We have nothing to lose then while were getting better and those teams cant play bully or if when they do there getting it back and they know it.

    WHen you think about this it could be best for reload and then young wave is even better.

  87. Re; a new GM idea, if we can`t get Doug Wilson out of San Jose, I also like Ray Shero or even Eddie Olzyck. Real hockey people making hockey decisions.

  88. Dear fellas- Stefanie- it’s starting again. Hawks brass, in an effort to save their ass are out there saying look what I’ve done, look at who I drafted and who we have coming. Like- Barret, Kurashev, Hagel. Now some of these guys may be nhl’ers. Some should have been playing all year like Hagel & Kurashev. If I hear Bowman drop Dylan Sikura name one more time ( in order to puff up his worth for a trade)…I’m gonna puck. You don’t think hockey people see Sikura can’t take the body, can’t score. A wannabe Kane that’s just a gnat. No- I think Stan should get a part in the walking dead. He’d fit there. Rocky… clean house!!!!! Bonehead Stan will continue to error…& the rebuilt needed will NEVER work with B & JC.

  89. 8 games out … dead in the water … why J C not let go in Nov. Dec. wave of firings is beyond reason. As Cubs Fans used to say … there’s always next year. Another long summer for this team …. that used to be the opposite of their excuse. Shame because we do have some good players.

  90. Hull 65,s last two posts are very complete dissections of recent BH ups and downs in terms different player contributions and distractions during the championship years. I have long been of the opinion that those 3rd and 4th lines were never duplicated in the following years. I am afraid we are back in the “Dollar Bill” era of BH performance. In fact, I wish to coin a new western name for our owner , ” Rocky Bill” Wirtz. He is satisfied with GEHS,” Good Enough Hockey Show”.

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