Blackhawks Place Strome on IR, Recall Hagel

On Thursday afternoon the Blackhawks recalled forward Brandon Hagel from the Rockford IceHogs. Chicago also placed forward Dylan Strome on injured reserve, retroactive to Jan. 7 (right ankle).

Hagel, 21, was originally a 6th round pick (#159) by the Buffalo Sabres in the 2016 NHL Draft. He signed with Chicago on Oct. 30, 2018 and currently leads Rockford with 13 goals in 38 games.

102 thoughts on “Blackhawks Place Strome on IR, Recall Hagel

  1. Please don`t throw this kid into the fold ….were just starting to gel .
    Unless ya sit Nylander !

  2. He’s a long shot, but he’s bagged a few in Rockford so let’s see what he can do. Bring up Carlsson too.

  3. Agree. If he does get in the lineup, money is on Sikura.

    Btw, I said elsewhere that in season firings are probably done. Julien in Mtl might be canned at all star break.

  4. Congrats to Hagel. Enjoy your time up – you earned it. Hope you can make the best of it and stick around a while.

  5. Good for him, he earned it. Now see if they think he can help or is just insurance until Saad or Strome back and only play if roster short a fwd.

  6. I can’t stand Bowman he’s a snake, but I’m fair about it. Highmore Hagel etc not transcendent players, but it’s a huge improvement from a depth standpoint. Sikura has had positive moments as well.

    Highmore & Hagel can fly, are smart and gritty. Highmore has proven he can play a fourth line role for a solid ten minutes a night. Hagel likely has a slightly higher offensive ceiling. The lower tier forward depth is better. The Hawks are holding their own w an amateur knucklehead coach w the injuries they ve had. Place a real coach in charge from day one this season (or shortly thereafter) and the Hawks are in a playoff spot.

    Gotta give Bowman credit re those two guys, Kubalik and others Bowman hasn’t made all atrocious moves, but hiring Colliton was his worst one. The failure to discharge him and he honest he made a mistake is even worse. Cover up worse than the crime.

  7. Agree. I’d rather see guys like Hagel, Highmore and Caggiula flying all over the ice playing balls out than guys like Lance Bouma and Tommy Wingels who were just trying to hang on to a spot in the NHL.

    Also, I saw some speculation on Twitter today that Vegas is interested in Erik Gustafsson. Whether that’s true or not I do not know but if Stan can pull off another Perlini-for-Regula type trade that would be solid.

    Vegas also has a boatload of draft picks and after firing Gallant, they clearly are going for it.

  8. Stop and think about this. The Hawks are on a really good run without Saad, Strome and Shaw. Their record couldn’t have been much better recently even if they’d had them. The youngsters are playing really, really hard and they are sound, although unspectacular. Is it possible their presence is making the veterans better? Those guys on IR are better players than the Rockford players that are taking their place, so you bring them back when they are healthy. Does it change the chemistry? Does the team success with all the injuries open up some trading opportunities and free up cap space, even with the young kids not scoring a lot? Shaw probably can’t be traded.

    How vital is Strome to the future of the team? He is probably $5 mil with a new contract. If Dach starts generating points, everything looks different regarding Strome. Kirby is playing well but hasn’t figured out how to generate points at the NHL level yet. He seems to have figured a lot of other things out. He’s had no puck luck either.

    These dynamics are interesting and being GM is hard, unless you are a poster on a message board.

  9. Agreed being a GM is hard.
    It’s much harder for some who lean on their last name to stay employed.

    Especially when good coaches and GMs are dropping like flies around the league.

  10. Colliton is your bridge Coach.What regular guy wants to follow future Hall of Famer Coach Q.That being said due to all these injuries Colliton is untouchable until next year unless you take down Bowman and or McDonaugh.

  11. JC was hired to communicate with the kids. The vets are supposed to be mature enough to take care of themselves, although that obviously was not the case here. You can complain all you want about his coaching in-game, but he is known to be able to communicate with and teach kids. Kneelander was his project – not turning out as the manglement had hoped. Kubalik – a bit better. It appears the vets are finally buying into the program and helping teach on the fly.

    I don’t see how JC makes it to the top with this team, but if the vets can settle and allow him to raise the kids, a better foundation will get set than if Q was still here trying to do the same thing. Look at the influx of youngsters here right now. We need to teach and evaluate, not fight as an organization. What veteran coach wants that job?

    THEN we can move on to a different coach with a different purpose.

  12. Yea, liking the Highmore Hagel time for them to get in. Showing they can play for coming yrs as role players that we need @ .925 kind of caphits. Like Krugs did.

  13. Craig, thats what I want to see. A good prospect or enough picks 1/2/3 rounds only.

    Iceman, we do have playoff team, just the system and other things isint right for what we need. Also need a few roster upgrades, not just the system. Good though we get another top 3 lottery draft pick. With having what we have this yr and how we have done. Otherwise were picking 19th. We might get a 19th pick for Crow anyways.

  14. Remember when Vegas shocked the league their first year and made it to the finals? Or when St. Louis made one of the greatest comebacks in the standings to win a cup? Obviously neither of those teams was the favorite. I think they were gritty, passionate, hard-working groups of players that was riding/writing the underdog story. I’m not suggesting the hawks are necessarily playoff bound and certainly not cup contenders, but I think its interesting that we often see them play the best with the “worst” players in the lineup. I think this league is often about finding the cheap guys who play harder than the expensive guys, who drive possession and kill penalties. The team is loaded with those role players right now and its at least possible that Bowman is good at finding what kind of people players are, not just what their skill level is and Colliton’s system or knowledge isn’t quite as bad as everyone thinks because at the end of the day none of us are in the locker room or on the ice at practice. You can have a company of talented A holes that falls apart because of egos. Bowman’s made some bad moves, but also has had some steals. And lets rip on Colliton if/when the Hawks are dead last in the standings. Not when they’re fighting pretty well for a playoff spot. There’s your inspirational, optimistic speech for the day.

  15. Dont know about his raising the kids background or ability.He was coaching in Europe before getting the Rockford job here.Seems like he had big problems at Rockford with Jokiharju and they lost a top D man which ended up landing Nylander.I think we can agree that the Nylander teaching/experiment is not going well.He has not had success with Sikura.I dont know about Gilbert but it does not look great although it looks like Gilbert was playing hurt.I guess you could say that Boqvist and Dach are the kids he is bringing along.I think they were both put out onto NHL Ice 1 year to soon at least but they are learning hard lessons.I just hope they can survive it physically.Lots of Coaches have a couple of kids on their roster.If teaching kids is his talent he would best be served in Juniors or at the AHL Level.This team could not afford to give away the points that they have for the sake of teaching.

  16. This is the best and calmest this team has looked all year

    I wouldn’t ignore the fact that MTL and OTT are not world beaters but still those are the games vs weak opponents when the Hawks would often lay an egg (eg 7-1 to NJ)

    So it’s good to see them assert themselves on a lesser team – that’s a positive

    The speed the younger players bring is a big help but Saad and Strome will help when they’re back – Sikura will be out and either Highmore or Nylander – maybe they’ll rotate in depending on who’s playing well

    I hope Hagel gets in – for Sikura would be fine

  17. Morrison. Some were mentioning Peyton Krebs. There is no way Vegas is trading him. Think about it. Taylor Hall only netted New Jersey second tier prospects like Kevin Bahl. Gus is not going to fetch us a top 2o pick.

    I still like the idea of auctioning him off. It’s tough to be patient but it might wind up being a sellers market in late February.

  18. i can’t help but laugh at all of you who are happy bowman has young, fast, aggressive fourth line prospects in the pipeline who are developing while the careers of toews and kane slip away.

    where is the indignity at what bowman has done to this team? this team had terravainen, danault, and panarin and lost them in large part because of the asinine contracts for bickell, anisimov, and seabrook and bowman’s failure at drafting d-men into the pipeline to play with the hawks on cheap, pre ufa season contracts.

    dach and boqvist can’t score and whatever improvements they are making are not worth the elc year they each have blown, the clock that has started ticking on dach’s ufa year, and the likelihood boqvist’s ufa clock will start ticking as well this year. even if they make the playoffs this year is a disaster and it will be worse of a disaster if they do make the playoffs. but at least they have $12.5 million tied up for each of the next two years on maatta, de haan, and shaw. and kahun and jokiharju are gone. but there are those of you taking solace in the improvements of a few young, fourth line forwards and that they are playing better lately. who cares if they are less shitty than they might have been a month ago? they are still light years away from competing for the cup. any of you ever hear of the big picture?

  19. Silent have to say the young players were the one area i hoped Colliton would excel, not agreeing he has been as good as expected, giving him credit for Kubalik is blind cherry picking at it’s best for sure.

  20. NHL network “trade guy” (can’t remember his name) says Vegas is all in on a Cup run. I think we all pretty much new that with the firing of Gallant. Interesting to see if they want to go after Gus. Not that Gus is vital to Cup run, but they still could be interested.

    Same NHL network guy says Lehner, not Crawford, will be dealt at or before the trade deadline. Says Chicago is definitely in need of resetting (didn’t call it rebuilding) and says Lehner will demand more than Chicago would pay. Lehner’s stated “no discount” policy leaves Chicago out of the picture. Says Lehner will get the type of picks/prospects that Chicago must have going forward.

    Don’t know if this guy knows what he’s talking about, but it was interesting to hear.

  21. I thought we already esablished that, nothing agasint Kahun/not to talk about him this way-but who gives a F about Kahun when Kubalik is better then him which means we got Maatta for free.

    Sure those 4 ufas this summer are 4m caphit each, but I would imagine 2 of them are only here for this yr and the others, unless Haan is 100% healthy going forward, are all gone when it-salary cap matters again for us/that would be when the young wave starts there bridge contracts-like 3 yrs? from now.

  22. A Cup contender, a top 5 or so team-maybe top 5-10 team depending on the yr (PIT), would want to add a player like 56 for the 3rd pair. A puck moving Defensemen that can score on a roster that is full of quality 4 lines. Its the same thing as adding a Leddy for the playoffs. You know hes going to sit the pine when the game is on the line, like the bulk of the 3rd period but hes going to add OFF to a deep roster and he will look and be better when the whole team is deep, 4 line deep.

  23. Indian, that makes sense. Be real nice, like cousin eddie christmas present, to trade Lehner at deadline get Big return and then Lehner signs here again in summer ufa for what ever he wants. Without Seabs caphit, thats basically Lehners caphit eight there. Worth the swtich for going forward.

  24. Lehner is likely gone at the deadline. He should bring a decent return. No shootout in the playoffs!
    Gus < bag of pucks.

  25. hey morrison. anyone who knows anything about hockey understands kahun is a valuable player on any team. it wasn’t kubalik or kahun. do you not understand the hawks are a better team with kubalik and kahun than with kubalik and maatta? and maatta wasn’t free. they traded away a better better, cheaper player to get him. a really ignorant comment by you.

  26. Only thing I do not like is if we had the roster in better shape at this point/for this yr and then we would be as good as we really are. Lehner would stay. Lehner is the one who tells it how it is and says the structure is not good.

    Best thing for rebuild/reload/rewhatever whoever wants to call it-speak there lanuage, id getting a Big return for Lenher. Think Hartman big or bigger.

    Be real nice if then Lehner comes back as ufa in summer. Thats how NJ got good picks prospects.

  27. I would be good with Kahun and Kubalik. I thought someone here said we didnt have the cap space to cover 24 player bonuses, at the time.

    Also at the time, our Defense sucked so getting Maatta/Haan should be a good thing.

    Your prob right 24 and 8 would be better then 6.

    When you combine trades, which is a better perspective-sometimes on trades/moves, then Maatta and Aminoz/Smith were for free.

  28. I would have liked to have a line of 8 Kurachev 24.

    Problem is our Defense got to the point of sucking and we had to draft and trade and ufa for D. From our strength at the time FW.

  29. Quenneville, Hagel, Sikura, Highmore, Mitchell moves could also be an attempt to showcase them to be part of a trade package also. Not saying all will go but could be to try throw some options out there to attract interest too.

  30. I wanted Stan to trade Gus at last year’s trading dealine, and everyone said I was an “idiot”. Imagine the haul we could have gotten last TD with some team getting Gus for last year and this year. Stan is the idiot! Now, he has to trade Gus for pennies on the dollar; I’m glad Stan is not my stock broker.

    Moving on! I think Lehner is the perfect trade candidate because even if we trade him, we will have the opportunity to re-sign him in the off-season.

    I would still trade Gus, and be done with his matador defense, and a 3rd round pick seems about right. Maybe, we could get Jordan Oesterle back from AZ for Gus. I thought he was the better LH defensemen.

    I would bring up Fortin too, as soon as he gets his legs. I have no problem including any of these RFD guys and sweeteners in trades, plus it gets them an opportunity to play with a different club, a fresh start of sorts.

    Here is my trade for the week:
    Crawford, Kampf, and Fortin for Danault
    (Crawford always plays well at home, the Habs need a #1 GK, Kampf plays checking line, and Fortin blossoms under a fan base that understand his press conferences).

  31. Bob McKenzie is reporting Carolina is interested in Robin Lehner. The Canes certainly have the currency. 2 first round picks, 2 second rounders, 2 3rd rounders.

    I would love for Stan to resign Lehner. A 5 year, 30+million offer seems fair. If Lehner balks trade him for the best package possible. Whichever move happens, Stan’s signing of Lehner on July 1 comes up aces.

    The worst thing that could happen is we hang on to Lehner, miss the playoffs and he walks for nothing. Eeesh.

  32. Tommy,Very interesting trade thoughts there.I find it amazing that on a terrible Montreal team that Danault is a +16.I would trade Strome for him.Dont think a Bowman led regime would get Danault back though.In this years draft it would be nice if we could get a high 2nd round pick for Gus and Fortin from a desperate team like Vegas at the deadline.

  33. Craig Very solid plan.The Hawks should clean up on Picks and or Prospects for Lehner and Crawford at the deadline.I would move Saad also.

  34. Habs need a #1GK

    Carey Price???

    And before you say Price is bad, he has better numbers than Crawford.

    Why would the Habs go out and trade for a goalie…but include their second leading scorer?

    I’m all for Danault, but that trade makes no sense. Fortin hasn’t seen NHL action in 2 years. He’s fast, but that’s about it. Joakim Nordstrom light.

    My proposal for the day. Hurricanes are looking for a goalie. Dougie Hamilton just had a nasty leg break. Id keep Lehner. Trade them Crawford and Gustafson. They have a lot of prospects I’d be interested in. Ryan Suzuki, Jake Bean, Julien Gauthier. I’d take any player like that over draft picks any day.

  35. For all the Ryan Carpenter naysayers (ok, there’s only one). Ryan Carpenter ranks as the 2nd best shorthanded player. But they had to pay him a ton!!! A whopping 300k above league minimum.

  36. Craig, yea no matter what happens Lehner really really, and Bowman to, helped us get Big return for getting 40 in summer.

    Tom, I knew there was someone here who said now is the time for 56 trade last deadline. Some others were ok with it but thought since we were like 15-2 run go with it. I did think 56 would not get anywhere near as many pts this yr as last yr, in the way that we wouldnt have to pay 56 a 4-5m? caphit, imagine that caphit. Fthat.

    Sometimes, some of uf us call things that no other/very few did and were right. I called the Callahan trade that yr for TB/NYR and people thought I was nuts. I know the feeling. I also called with someone else here, forget name right now, us getting the lottery and getting the 2nd or 3rd pick.

  37. There was nothing wrong with Bickells contract. Cant believe bickells contract still gets brought up.
    Quick name the last team to win a cup with an average or even slightly above average goaltender. Blackhawks Niemi…who before that???
    Should either crow or lehner go then what.???????? Oh yeah….the plan is for the team to get even worse. Got it.
    The team had 20 million in cap space and got nine million more in defenseman. One of which had played maybe 20 games and the other is….is there anything to that Matta buy out rumor?????
    So who does this team get? Nearly every free agent is always overpaid. Next to zero tradable prospects. Lacking future draft picks.

  38. Tom i made lots of comments on selling high on Gus at tdl last year, so did others, yes lots of people ridiculed the idea to do so and saw Gus as future top pair guy who you wouldn’t consider moving.
    All for moving players for picks or prospects, but if trading a player to draft a player that you hope basically becomes that player, then it loses it’s purpose.

  39. I believe Fortin was only mentioned as a throw in or sweetener in a deal As far as Montreal,s goaltending goes,did you see the clown show of comedic mishaps from their goalie Wednesday night?Price is not capable of playing back to backs and has been held out at some curious times this year.The Hurricanes have repeatedly been interested in Lehner not Crawford.When a center loses 24 of 28 faceoffs he is going to be criticized.When a center slows down your top goal scoring forward people might notice that.

  40. Hinest, I think we need to do both. Add godd ufas, the kind of style we need, and trade others. Some might retire or ltir for yrs like 7 65. So we make our own cap space and have the room. Have to pay ufa to get them. No difference then trades, give to get.

    The ufas can be upgraded, that way, and we added good players this summer. Theres more problems then just the players. Get on it. Top 5 skill draft player pick.

  41. MO,I would be looking at Dadanov from Florida, Pageau from Ottawa,Kassian from Edmonton, Barrie from Toronto
    ,,Krug from Boston.

  42. Not gonna have the money Dadonov wants. Besides, if he was signed there’s a lot of people here (you specifically Tim, “The lack of size and physicality really show with the Hawks forwards”) who would lose their shit. Especially if Saad is traded. “Another 5’11 forward?!” Pageau is even smaller at 5’10”. Kassian I wouldn’t mind.

    Barrie and Krug are both not gonna happen. And again, 5’9 for Krug. 5’11 for Barrie who is somehow a minus 3 for the leafs. Unless something is done with Seabrook. I don’t think he’s quite done just yet.

    Funny, the guys that bitch about size being an issue are the same guys suggesting smaller players than is currently on the roster.

  43. re: “The Hawks should clean up on Picks and or Prospects for Lehner and Crawford at the deadline.”

    Breaking: teams don’t “clean up” for rentals. They can do well, but the package coming back is going to be less than if there is term on the contract (see Saad). If the Hawks moved Lehner at the deadline, which I would be frustrated by because I’d like him to be here for a few more years, I would anticipate even a desperate team wouldn’t do more than a couple decent picks (maybe a 1, more likely a couple 2s or a 2 + 3) and a nice (read: not elite) prospect.

    Using Carolina as our example for a possible Lehner trade, I would be pretty happy if they included whichever first round pick was lower between theirs & Torontos in the 2020 NHL Draft + center prospect Eetu Luostarinen. But you’re more likely to see Carolina offer their two second round picks (ex: Hawks deal for Timonen) and a lower-level prospect.

  44. The only reason Carpenter is playing with 88 is injuries. You have 3 top 6 forwards out. 2 of which take a fair to significant number of draws. If any one of those forwards come back you wouldn’t see 88 and 22 together

    Faceoffs are important. But you can live with 45%. Especially when the guy is a top 5 pk player.

  45. A decision on Lehner needs to be made or more likely mostly has. I was leery on him after Lamoreillo passed on him at first, but seems to like where he is and teammates seem to respect him too. Kane sort of made me think Lehner may very well be back when he referred to Crawford in the past tense and Lehner as present. Even commented that, Crawford is even playing good this year. Was surprised i didn’t see posts on it. Lehner didn’t define what home town deal meant, a longer term has been a goal of his, so caphit may not be out of reach as some think.

  46. With a deep Draft this year and the Hawks missing a couple of picks,including a 2nd rounder,you will have to excuse me if I would consider 4 Draft picks for Lehner and Crawford doing a little better than “Well” when you could lose both for nothing.Lehner can come back and sign in the summer if he really loves it here.If I am Bowman I would not do it for over 6 Million for 3 years.Your focus on the Goslie shows that you cant see the forest for the trees.This organization needs to build up their lower levels and let them develop instead of rushing them into the league to get overwhelmed.

  47. Yeah that’s right.Why would you put 88 with 19??Oh that’s right,so you can roll all 4 lines.Where have I heard that before?

  48. Tab

    Your comment about trading either goalie is so right on. Would there be a team that would possibly over pay for a rental for half a season? Possibly, keep reading different peeps expcct to get a haul I think is pretty unrealistic.

  49. Need to speak with Lehner first before we trade him and tell him that we are going to go all in on him come free agency. He has spoken that he is going to see what is out there for him but also see if he would like to play there. He has said that he does like it here. So if we don’t low ball him he is most likely to sign. Thinking a 4yr 6mil per or a 3yr 7mil per will get it done. I also believe that’s our window for a Cup.

    Send him to Carolina for minimum 1 first round and 1 second round pick and a body.

    My suspicion on Crow is that he’s going to call it a career after this year. Before trading him we can tell him we would want him back at a 2 to 3mil annually if he would want to continue in Red and Black. I believe a 2nd or 3rd round pick
    definitely can be gotten. Don’t think Montreal is in play but possibly AZ. Dreaded Boston if Tukka is really hurt. same with Philly. Edmonton always needs a goalie. Possibly Calgary.

    Like when everyone puts out names of players they would want not just a top 6 fwd and top 4 d. Everyone would like one of those but who do you think is one of those. The gentleman that will remain nameless always states who we should have gotten when they are on a hot streak but not before. Like The Real Deal James Neal, no thanks 19 goals and a -22. If I read that correct he’s on the ice for 41 goals against. All Star Duclair that has almost a third of his 6yr NHL career goals this year. Sorry, tried it once didn’t work out. He did mention De Brusk which I like.

    Also thinking to send some offers to RFA to cap stuck teams. I like Roope Hintz from Dal, Reinhardt from Buf, DeBrusk and Ritchie from Bos.

    Don’t think a team will give up much for anything else we have but the goalies and cap space. Maybe a Gus for Reaves or Gus for Laughton on Philly. Half of Erickson money with some picks and or prospects.

    Anyone else have some good semi realistic scenarios

  50. Why all the whining on Carpenter, it’s not his fault he is doing what he has been asked to do, yes a 4th line role is where he should be. All the whining about pk last season and early this year, which he played a big role in improving. When in Vegas he played mostly right wing, he held his own earlier in a different role. Now going up against top centers with Kane he is struggling, who’d a thought it. Centers like Q did with Schmaltz can cause very minimal damage when struggling if used right.

    Anybody that thinks this team can be better next year with weaker goaltending is only fooling themselves.

  51. Theoretically this team next year would have 3 NHL Centers,a healthy #1 and 2 defenseman and a thriving Ian Mitchell with a more developed Boqvist and Dach.Sprinkle in there a Dadanov or Kassian with a normal year from Debrincat and I will roll the dice without Lehner and Crawford.And who asked Carpenter to lose 24 of 28 faceoffs in back to back important games or stand still and half ass it after losing a faceoff to cost a goal?

  52. JR – Crow gave an interview this week where he confirmed he plans to continue playing after this year. I am with Craig – make our best effort to sign Lehner. If he signs, Crow goes at the deadline, if he doesn’t sign then he goes.

    We currently don’t have 2nd or 7th round picks this year (we also gave up a 3rd round pick next year and pick up a 7th round pick from the Shaw deal). I’ve got to believe we will pick up more than a 2nd round pick in moving Gus and one of the goalies. More picks are great but chances of getting significant contribution in the next 3 years (prime T&K window) are low with the exception of a 1st round pick. Getting a solid prospect instead of lots of picks should be the goal.

  53. Ian, thats what I was thinking about Lehner and caphit being decent, was the yrs he wants to lowballing on. Didnt know about Kaner saying that, interesting.

    We can only trade both goalies at deadline, if one of them agree-hand shake/brown paper bag, to do ufa in summer again.

  54. Tim – who you thinking of acquiring as #1 and #2 Dmen? And what are they gonna cost? Or are you just saying playing #1 and #2 on this team, not necessarily good enough to play those spots on any other teams in the league?

    I wonder if the manglement group has a handle on who actually will be back next year from the group of Shaw, deHaan and Seabrook, or of all those are still TBD situations. Seems like those situations will control a lot of the availability of money for other player signings and acquisitions. Even with the Strome situation.

    Who knows – maybe Gus goes on a tear and scores 25 goals before the season is over, gets 45 assists and finishes 2nd in the Norris race. What do we pay for him then?

  55. We got the Regula guy, hes a good prospect? Where is he in terms of being ready, in line with the Horsemen.

    Mitch-steps right in/2021
    BoQ-gettting his prerequisite this yr, next yr is rookie yr/2021

    Buea-
    Regula-
    Vlassic-

    yes get some good prospects or 1st 2nd picks.

  56. Like Noonan says its the young core thats going to carry the team to another Cup not the younger half of the 2010 core. Why cant 19 88 be good enough to still contribute when they are 35-40 at much lower caphits then 10.5 say 5.25 each when the young wave is starting there prime yrs/and prime of prime yrs when these guys are 35.

    For 81 10 4 2 7 50 sure. From that 3-4 yrs looks like range for 2 and 50.

  57. We would need to go 15-5 before the last 15/20 games to put oursleves in a position to make playoffs. You cant go 17-2 in t he last 20 games like we would have had to last yr, even though we started thah lie 12-2 or something and were on a roll.

    We need to reset, make these roster adjustments yuo guys are talking about. The elite players of future 27 77 are getting moar ready, while the young wave starts to come in. Sysytem needs something good to it.

    So even though people say we are 4 pts from 8 seed. Really we are +2 and those teams, a few of them are +7. You would have to go 15-5 and those teams 10-10 just to get tied. We could but.

    Better to play good now and enjoy it and if we do not go 15-5 then get on it/the top 5 skill draft player. Were not getting ahead of DET OTT NJ LA ANA. The others we could, maybe SJ ‘plays’ instead of saying were waiting until next yr-because we onot want to play from behind. So that 6th pick- to maybe 12th. GO for 6th pick if we donot do 15-5 by deadline.

  58. Goofed on that, 15-5 and 10-10 by them would have us up 5 games. Mean we would go 15-5 and they need to go 12-7-3 and were tied with those teams for 7 and 8 seed.

  59. Thanks MS did not see the interview. Still think we can sign Lehner after we trade him for picks. Even if we over pay for a shorter length contract. Luv Kassian but I think he endeared himself to Edm by going after Tkachuk and bet he wants to stay there to see him what, 8 times a year. We need something like him to protect 19,88,12,77,8,2,27

    Do not like Reaves but he will be the best protection. Can live with Deslauriers. Luv Lowry. Matt Martin would be good.

    Some FAs I would take a flyer on would be Vessey. He didn’t spurn us he spurned Nash. With his speed and hands would probably work with 19 and 88. Haula would be on a short term. If Hall can be had for around 6 to 7 mil maybe. One year show me cheap aav to Girgensons and Simmonds.

  60. You don’t pay anything for Gus. You trade his rights at the draft ala Troy Brouwer (the pick that turned into Danault). Or you trade him at the deadline. His game is too one sided. He’s an NHL player no doubt. But the amount he’s going to ask for can’t be handled by this team.

    It would not shock me if Calvin deHaan calls it quits. 2 major shoulder injuries to the same shoulder.

    It would not shock me if Seabrook calls it quits.

    Both decisions are up to the player and are probably not made up yet. Neither would flat out retire right away. Theyd play the LTIR thing if they don’t think they can perform and still get paid. Without knowing how the players feel a few months from now it’s really hard to project what they should do in the off-season.

    If neither player feels healthy, how could you trade or buyout Maatta or trade Murphy? You’re either assuming Mitchell can walk right in, which isn’t a given. Or planning to hopefully land a defenseman in free agency. If Seabrook is done they could make a run at a Pietrangelo. He turns 30 tomorrow and you know he’s going to want 7×8+ and that is a scary thought.

    But a Keith-Boqvist, Murphy-Pietrangelo, Maatta-Mitchell defense group does sound pretty good.

  61. I was counting on Dehaan getting back before the 1st of the year to be a #2.The #1 is going to take some creativity but you definitely cant do it if you are dropping 8 Million on a Goalie.Things would workout nicely if Seabrook and Shaw did not come back.I dont think Petrangelo is a realistic possibility but beat the bushes out there and get solid up top so you dont need a goalie standing on their head every night.

  62. The one caveat to having Lehner sign now means you probably have to trade salary later down the line, especially if 44 and 7 decide to keep playing.

    Theo Epstein just talked about this in regards to baseballs competitive balance tax. You don’t want to make a move then be forced to make another to stay under. That backs you into a forced bad deal.

  63. Wow all this talk about trading lehner or crow. Wow. And some people saying either MIGHT get a first round pick. You must be kidding. News flash goaltenders are there number one reason a team wins a cup. I’ll ask again. What team won a cup or even went far in playoffs with even just ABOVE average goaltending.

    If you KNOW they are not coming back then fine trade them for whatever. Just keep in mind this….a team goes in to win a cup or go far in playoffs that draft pick gets lower and lower.

    Question what are the most important factors in the playoffs. Depth? Yes goaltending?????? NAHHHHHH

  64. Binnington from St Louis last year. Murray Cups with Pittsburgh. Those Goalies were not known quantities before they won Cups.I am all for paying or keeping top tier goalies but not when you are so lacking at all of the other positions throughout the organization.My opinion is that signing Lehner long term for top dollar is not only a huge risk but it will prevent this team from obtaining needed assets.Lehner is an unusual situation in that there is really no precedent for a goalie his size 6ft 4 245 Lbs and how he is going to age.Also his past is there.How is his openness going to play out with teammates over time?Is the shootout thing going to linger?I know it seems trivial but I have never heard a goalie willing to give up the net for any reason like that.There is a lot to consider in a short period of time for Bowman.If most people are O.K. with his walking at the end of the year for no assets then I suppose you roll dice if you answered all the other questions in the positive about him and the team going forward.

  65. Wow. Dougie Hamilton for Carolina, out long term with a broken leg.
    Wonder if their G-M Don Waddell calls Stan and inquires about Gus ?

  66. After these 3 games they only play 3 games in following 18 days, could be a different looking roster by then. Lots of time over allstar wknd to initiate and finalize some deals.

    Tim Blues have 8.75m caphit tied up in goalies for this and next season, Pens got some fa decisions around theirs, with Murray likely due a nice raise, so the pay me now or pay me later saying can be used there too.

  67. Ian,exactly right.They paid after they won the Stanley Cups.The Blues gave Binnington his money and also have a solid backup in Jake Allen.People are suggesting that the Hawks pay the Goalie bill before winning and over 8 million for 1 Goalie.If you pay over 8 Million you should have 2 solid Goalies.I would rather build a solid defensively solid team first.

  68. Over 8m is alot for a goalie, not convinced after his comments on having some security in term on his deal it would take that. The home town deal comnent may have referred to not signing another one year deal as much as than how much his raise would be.

  69. Tim Rusty, I think we ll be able to trade/other two of 15 65 44 6 rather easily to make it work. I fully expected two of these guys to only be here for this yr, depending on other things. Still do. Just want 65 44 to be fully healthy again and go from there. I think if we still have 15 and 6 after this yr, were in trouble.

    You cant keep 15 an 6 and not add a top pair Defensemen. Thats just crazy man.

  70. If they can get Lehner at 5 x 7M before the TDL I’d take it and trade Crow

    If Lehner is too costly see if you can re-sign Crow (maybe 3 x 4.5M) and trade Lehner

    IMO they can’t go into TDL without one of them signed unless they’re very sure that one of them will sign at season’s end and I don’t see that as a realistic scenario

    Lots to consider but the size of the contract is the biggest consideration – I don’t mind paying Lehner for 5 years at a reasonable rate because a team can better in a hurry these days

  71. You guys all make good points. I would be ok with trading both goalies, with one or both agreeing to hand shake/brown paper bag it to sign again in summer for whatever is fair to the player/is happy with. The 2-3m/yr for Crow & 5yr/decent caphit of enough for Lehner seems right.

    We cannot keep both goalies, 56, others and expect to reload this roster. We ned the good prospect adds/picks and smart ufas this summer to get to where we need to get to or whats the point in any of this.

    Do it do it.

  72. Mo wouldn’t be shocked at all if Crawford this summer signs a 1 year deal with Habs to backup Price for his final season.

  73. 3 key games before the break. Kane will be fired up in front of his extended family in Toronto tomorrow. Thats a given. Toews has amped it up a notch for sure.

    The Athletic’s Scott Powers had a good nugget of information about how Slater K. And Maatta have really played well lately.

    I think if Slater K. Could slide in to the 2nd power play unit, it would be easier to move Gus.

  74. I agree with Tab in regards to the Hawks asking for and/or receiving a top prospect from any team that we make a deadline trade with this year..the assets the Hawks would be potentially trading don’t have any term left..all are ufa after this year(leverage to ask for a top prospect decreases for the Hawks)..however, I do believe that the Hawks can certainly ask for a 1st round pick from any team that they’re looking to trade with..the Hawks traded a 1st rounder for Vermette in 2015, and traded a 1st rounder for Ladd in 2016..we may have included an additional 2nd rounder as well..and Nashville traded a 1st rounder to us for Hartman..so while most teams won’t part with a top prospect because they’ve already seen the potential in that player, a 1st round pick for any of Crawford, Lehner, or Gus is certainly doable depending on the motivation of the team loading up for a cup run..I personally would be starting at a 1st round pick this year and a 2nd round pick next year for any player I’m trading..the price of going for a Cup..the Hawks are in a position to try to regain some of the assets we traded away while we were on the opposite side of the coin..maybe a GM will be desperate enough to trade us a ”Danault”..probably not but u never know..

  75. Bonnington Murray yeah okay. Well they come a long, Darling. However nice to see it there first Quick someone name the last legit goalie moved at the deadline. Who?
    First round pick could looks good until its past pick 22.

  76. Dinault from just outside Montreal, popular with the fans, type of player they almost never trade.

    Honest, Mzarek 2 years ago is last is remember for what it’s worth.

  77. Actually jyst looked up Mzarek deal, Flyers sent a 4th rnder in 2018 that would’ve become a 3rd if they made playoffs and a 2nd if they made conference finals and Mzarek had 6 wins, which neither happened. Also could’ve had a 3rd in 2019 if Flyers resigned him, which of course he signed Canes instead. So only realized a 4th in 2018 for him.

  78. Good point on KooKoo if he plays good enough/gets better to be good enough with this experience/playing games-where is he at in that 150/200 NHL game mark?

    Then, nothing against the 60 pt man, KooKoo can be a similiar player, when 56 is not good at D anymore and if not putting up 40 or more pts being an OFF Defenesmen then theres no need to have 56 once he goes higher then 1.2m if 56 stayed at 1.2m then it might be fine. Still want whoevers better at D.

    We are not on the brink of a Cup, were on the brink of getting roster full again and with building the young core.

    Thats the key, the young core build. Which also includes building right kind of ufas you guys are listing. need both. Cant win again without the young core being the bulk of the drive. Then the old guessers in 19 88 2 can be the benefishes.

  79. Not that we aant to watse a higher pick, but a 22nd or even 27th pick could be added to and move up to 15th if there is a player there on the board we want.

    This is a good reason to get as many picks as we can, while trading for good prospects is better way-and do that. We would benefit by having extra picks to move up. Not sure if we move up with whatever pick and one of our prospects/players-15 65 6 other.

  80. Mzarek might be a decent goalie but hes no top 1- goalie like Crow and Lehner. Would say 1st and prospect or 2 2nds. Problem is with these two top 10 goalies is theres only so many teams that would want/need a top goalie.

    Where everyteam wants a good FW or D guy.

  81. Mo you ask yourself what would you give up for Crawford for rest of season. Think likely some sort of deal based on performance giving a higher pick is what would be offered and maybe another next year if resigned.

    I want to keep 19, 8 and 88 together for now, wouldn’t pkay with that. Maybe

    8 19 88
    12 77 20
    91 22/64 Hagel
    15 22/64 36

    No doubt Nylander is in there again though

  82. Well worth at least exploring trades for either goaltender at deadline. An average or below average team with 2 good goalies is like a so so baseball team with an elite closer. Fill the other needs.

  83. They brought Hagel up so I dont understand why they push 20 back into the Toronto game given the schedule.Winnipeg is here tomorrow night on a back to back.Why not take a good look at Hagel and save 20 for Sunday and Tuesday night.I assume he is 100% if he is in tonight. That will be an angry Winnipeg team here tomorrow night.Watched their postgame after being trashed at home last night by the Lightning.

  84. Well we need a top pair Defensemen to win another Cup, for Dunks spot, even with Horsemen coming. They cant do it all by themselves.

    We have a top 3 elite FW player for longtime.

    We do not need two top 10 goalies at same time. Having two starting ace pitchers is the way. So whats that teo top 3 elite FWs or two top pair Defensemen.

    Get that top pair Defensemen in summer, ufa. The caphit doesnt matter, were getting the spot that 2 an 7 have been in for 15 yrs. We Need to.

  85. MO.I say swing for the fences.Go after Pietrangelo and Krug both.Lehner,Gus,Maata,Crawford,let go and hopefully Seabrook and Shaw take the year at least,to heal up or decide it’s not worth coming back.If Hsgel is what they are saying he is ,let him and Highmore lose to fly around.Move 15 and or 22 if possible.Let 92 EARN a spot and not have it gifted to him.Move Strome and figure out your Center problems.Figure out the Goalie position without dumping over 9 million into it.

  86. Florida is down 2 goalies. But they don’t have any space to add a netminder because the brilliant GM Dale Tallon decided to give all the money to Sergei Bobrovski. 7 years 10 million per. And Stan’s the idiot that gave 11 million for 2 goalies with contracts that expire

  87. Thats what I am talking about. STL cant fit everybody in and BOS doenst ever pay players what they are worth. So make it worth while.

    We can make the space by moving people and those guys on ltir. Theres no reason to have any of 15 6 56 17? other & 65 7 on ltir, when we can have top pair Defensemen like that.

    I believe we still have 9 yrs, anyone who thinks we only have 4 yrs then how do you not get those Defensemen at ufa caphits.

    You have to think, make the space ourselves an move those players to make room. Not think, were stuck for these 2 yes of contracts and have no choice so lets just keep saying it going to be another 10-15 yrs before we can win again and make roster worse by not moving these players out, in order to bring those kind in.

  88. Trade one of the goalies to FLR and take on a contract thats 1 yr along with a good prospect. That was the plan all along, no one said it couldnt be FLR.

  89. The only way it works for Crawford to go to Florida would be with salary coming back. I think the only player Florida would be willing to deal would be Mark Pysyk. Even then the Hawks would probably have to retain salary. Neither team can really add salary.

    Florida I doubt would trade Mike Hoffman or Dadonov because they could still be in it. Pysyk has an expiring contract and has been playing a 4th line forward as opposed to his natural defense position.

    What would a team be willing to give up for a few weeks of Crawford? I doubt they’d part with Owen Tippett. The only other prospect that has any value that’s close is Henrik Borgstrom and his lustre has worn a bit.

    They drafted Spencer Knight…then signed Bobrovski. Would they part with Knight??

  90. Hoffman has been the main component in Florida trade rumors for 2 months now.He is me mentioned regularly in rumored trades by Nhl columnists.

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