Blackhawks Prospect Updates

There will be no hockey until December (at least). So, here are late-October updates on some of the Blackhawks’ top prospects. Why? Because they’re actually playing hockey right now.

Here are updates on the guys not skating with Rockford:

Phillip Danault, C, Victoriaville (QMJHL)
15 games, 12 goals, 15 assists, 27 points

Mark McNeill, F, Prince Albert (WHL)
15 games, 6 goals, 10 assists, 16 points

Teuvo Teravainen, F, Jokerit (SM-liiga)
13 games, 2 goal, 4 assists, 6 points

Dillon Fournier, D, Rouyn-Noranda (QMJHL)
10 games, 3 goals, 4 assist, 7 points

Alex Broadhurst, F, London (OHL)
14 games, 4 goals, 7 assists, 11 points

Vince Hinostroza, F, Waterloo (USHL)
8 games, 5 goals, 5 assists, 10 points

Joakim Nordstrom, F, AIK (SEL)
13 games, 3 goal, 3 assist, 6 points

Stephen Johns, D, Notre Dame
6 games, 0 goals, 2 assists, 2 points

Kevin Hayes, F, Boston College
4 games, 1 goal, 2 assists, 3 points

Justin Holl, D, U. of Minnesota
2 games, 0 goals, 2 assists, 2 points

Terry Broadhurst, F, Toledo (ECHL)
5 game, 1 goals, 3 assist, 4 point

Chris Calnan, F, South Shore (EJHL)
10 games, 7 goals, 9 assists, 16 points

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41 Responses to Blackhawks Prospect Updates

  1. Tim G says:

    Other Stats include,
    Danualt-5 PPG and a FO% of just under 54%. (7th in total points for QMJHL)
    Fournier- +12 (leads team and tied for 10th in QMJHL)
    McNeil- Leads team in points.

  2. Rufus T. Firefly says:

    Danault is the prospect I find most intriguing. He could be a really good one. Starting to get concerned about Saad’s play at Rockford. And was / am hoping for Jimmy Hayes to take the next step in his development, which apparently isn’t happening.

  3. Logan Reilly says:

    I’ll say this aboot Saad…

    He played not so great in his first three games at Rockford and then was benched. He hasn’t played since and his birthday was this past Saturday on a game night in which he was a healthy scratch.

    He should come out playing hard after this long of a stretch and should snap him back to reality. If it doesn’t then I will be concerned over his attitude.

  4. wall says:

    Logan, are you sure Saad was healthy scratch? Just wondering?
    I caught a home game last week in Rock.
    Things I noticed-
    Kruger best player out there (that nite).
    Hayes was good- but you look at that frame and you just want more-
    Shaw was good- not scoring yet- but he was better, quicker, smoother than most,
    he knocked a 6′ 5″ guy on his ass- wow!
    Leddy- got cheap shotted- missed the next 2 games- concussion???
    Lavin looked good-
    Flick- didn’t see a lot of time- but I really noticed his hitting ( reminds me of Eager)

  5. nathan says:

    Kevin Hayes has played 5 games 3 goals 3 assists for 6 points

  6. nathan says:

    and Tuevo is out with a broken finger

  7. Rufus T. Firefly says:

    Maybe I’m overly optimistic, but I want to see Jimmy Hayes be more than a 4th line RW. I think he can do that, but I’m not sure the Hawks agree with me. Bottom line he needs to dial his game up.

    Brandon Saad? I’m very surprised by his ineffectiveness and benching. Which maybe is a sign that I’m guilty of overrating his ability to be a top 6 LW for the Hawks in the very near-term. Doesn’t matter I guess because the NHL season is a lost cause. But he needs to get his crap together.

    Marcus Kruger? The hype doesn’t match the performance on the ice. No denying the skill and smarts he has on the ice at times. But he’s got to be able to pull it all together if he’s to have a genuine future in Chicago. The Hawks kinda sorta need him to be the 2nd line C at some point. And no, I don’t subscribe to the silly theory that Patrick Kane is the answer at C.

  8. wall says:

    Best thing for Kruger is this lockout- great to see him look to score and shoot more… but compared to all the other Hogs-he really understands where the play is going.

    Most frustrating to watch- Morin and Beach. Morin looked like a cherry-picking Kane without the ability to skate!

  9. Rufus T. Firefly says:

    Morin and Beach are journeyman AHLers at this stage. It’s very hard to crack the NHL fraternity on a permanent basis, and the NHL ship has sailed on both of them I’m afraid. Morin was overrated on day one of the trade that brought him to Chicago. Beach was one of the rare Dale Tallon miscalculations. It happens…

  10. Tab Bamford says:

    “one of the rare Dale Tallon miscalculations”

    2004 – Cam Barker – 4th overall
    2005 – Jack Skille – 7th overall

    Between 2004-2008, Tallon had 52 draft picks. Two first rounders – Toews & Kane – have done anything in the NHL. Of the other 50 selections, 5 have seen significant NHL action (Bolland, Bickell, Dowell & Brouwer in 2004, Hjalmarsson in 2005).

    Please don’t read this as me bashing Tallon; I’ve been as much a fan of his as anyone. But if we’re honest, Tallon’s track record on draft day was far from exceptional. He did a nice job turning prospects into NHL players thru trades and did what he had to do to get free agents to consider Chicago after a long, dark period in the franchise’s history. The Cup team was HIS team. But the prospect pool in the organization was empty when Bowman took over.

  11. Tim G says:

    Rufus- We may agree to disagree on this one, but I think both Beach and Morin have NHL level talent still in them. Obvioiusly you won’t get much back if a team is looking to acquire a 3rd/4th liner. but in a larger deal, that potential can be a valueable piece.

  12. Rufus T. Firefly says:

    What I would like to see is the “legitimate” prospects paired together at Rockford. I’d like to see the IceHogs roll out a line of Saad, Kruger and Hayes. I’d also like to see Leddy and Olsen paired together on defense. Might as well develop chemistry as part of the developmental curve with all of these guys. Surely Stan Bowman has measure of influence in this regard?!?

    Looks like the Winter Classic is going to be cancelled just as soon as Gary Bettman can get back to his New York office in the aftermath of Sandy. The next one to blink in this negotation has to be Donald Fehr, because I’m convinced the owners aren’t budging one iota. Season is in definite jeopardy. In fact I think the odds are probable at this sad point in time.

  13. Dave says:

    About Brandon Saad—he’s nursing an injury. To Rufus—Ted Dent used that line against Peoria in a pre-season game and they had a monster night.

  14. Logan Reilly says:

    Yea, someone finally announced it was an injury but up until yesterday everyone (except the one guy who reported it) thought it was him being benched.

  15. pete kieft says:

    Pirri has been very consistant. playing better each game. I really think he is their best prospect. I hope whenever play resumes in the nhl he willget a 15 to 20 game stint to see just what he can do. One or Two games cannot tell you a whole lot. I would like to hear some thoughts on this

  16. wall says:

    Pete, I think he has a very good shot, good offensive instincts, good skill… but is undersized, can’t compete on boards, and weak d side.

    Hawks have too many forwards that fit this description! I recently watched the 2009 Hawks playoff run on NHL net… Hawks really need to replace Ladd, Buff, Brouwer, Burish, Eager… they all had speed, they all could hit, they all could irritate the shit out of the opposing teams!!!!!!!

    I can see Shaw doing this, I hear Danault can do this, but Pirri… NOT YET!
    Heck based on what I saw the other day in Rockford… I think Flick has a better chance then Pirri long term. Pirri would be valuable on a team w/ the 2009 Hawks…
    but on this Team- I don’t think so.

  17. Brad Stevenson says:

    Way too much panic in these comments…no one’s boat has sailed, including Beach, who is looking much more poised and focused…as for Saad, if you are injured, you can’t get better, its that simple…

    Kruger has been the best thus far, but Pirri isn’t far off…the one player that has surprised me has been Leddy, who was quite reserved in his 1st couple of games before he was injured…I thought Leddy would tear up the AHL with his speed and puck handling, but he hasn’t yet…

    As for Shaw and Hayes, they are both playing very, very sound hockey, which will translate into opportunities in the show…things are looking good all around, including for Morin, so just relax and let things play themselves out…the reality is if there is an NHL season this year, it will be a very abbreviated one…

  18. Morrison says:

    If Saad, Bickel and Hayes would use their size more, check first score second, then arn’t these guys are close/similar to those. I dont know how/where you get a Laddy or Buff.

    Ladd-?
    Buff-?
    Brouwer-Saad or Stalburg
    Burish-Carcillo or Shaw
    Eager-Bickel or Hayes

    *With Bolland at center, woud Danault be like a Versteeg or more like Ladd.

  19. Tab Bamford says:

    A few things…

    First, to Morrison’s question re: Danault’s role w/ Bolland at center. Bolland has 2 years left on his current contract, and I think a case can be made that those will be his final two seasons in Chicago. With Kruger, Danault, McNeill, Pirri & even Kevin Hayes coming along as potential centers, more than two more NHL seasons of Bolland might not be in the cards.

    To Wall’s assertion that the Hawks haven’t replaced the size they lost on the Cup team, Morrison started to address that in his comment. I’ll take it a step further.

    Byfuglien: 6-5, TBD – career high 53 points (high of 36 w/ Chicago)
    Brouwer: 6-3, 215 – career high 22 goals, 40 points (w/ Chicago)
    Ladd: 6-2, 205 – career high 29 goals, 59 points (high of 49 pts w/ Chicago)
    Eager: 6-2, 240 – career high 17 points (high of 16 pts w/ Chicago)
    Burish: 6-1, 195 – career high 19 points last year (high of 9 pts w/ Chicago)
    Versteeg: 5-10, 185 – career high 54 points (high of 53 in Chicago)

    J Hayes: 6-6, 220 – 9 points in 31 NHL games
    Beach: 6-3, 210 – still waiting for his NHL debut
    Bollig: 6-2, 225 – 1 point in 22 career games (combined reg & post season)
    Morin: 6-1, 195 – 3 points in 12 career games
    Saad: 6-1, 202 – 0 points in 2 career games
    Pirri: 6-0, 183 – 2 points in 6 career games
    Shaw: 5-10, 185 – 23 points in 31 regular season games last year

    Those guys are in Rockford. There’s decent size in the system. But let’s also remember there’s a difference between mass (John Scott) and useful size (Ladd, Brouwer).

  20. wall says:

    Tab, the Hawks are ATTEMPTING to replace the size AND skill (not only scoring, but agitating, forechecking, speed. Those “attempts” are in Rockford learning!

    My whole point is that -IMO- Pirri really doesn’t replace the 2009 guys… he is more like the guys the Hawks can’t get out of the 1st round with now! He hits like Kane and shoots like Sharp- yes there is talent.

    Tab, you listed the 2009 guy’s pts. w/ Hawks- which further proves my point- the true value of those player’s was to open up the ice for the”Core” guys to dominate.
    Watching that 2009 run…. even Burish (who is 5th or 6th on that list of gone but not forgotten) was a bitch to play against. And that list, also stepped it up big in playoffs- why -because of the tenacity and pressure they applied ( and the good playoff teams take away your 1st options).

  21. Tab Bamford says:

    wall:

    Let me ask you the catch-22 question that every GM in every sport has to deal with: At what point is having guys ready now worth more than developing talent?

    Because other teams wanted to “win now,” and the Blackhawks took advantage of them. That’s how the 2010 team was built; Sharp, Versteeg, Eager, Ladd were all prospects other teams bailed on for a guy that was “more ready.” In your opinion, the Brandon Pirri we’re seeing at 1C on Rockford in October 2012 isn’t going to replace Versteeg/Burish (the only two on that team I would appropriately ask him to replace)… but what about in December 2013? or April 2014? That’s the trick, wall… in a salary cap world, you can’t rely on free agency and hitting the jackpot in a trade forever. Ask the Leafs.

  22. wall says:

    Tab, I realize the Hawks are making the best of the Cap handcuffing from 2010, and trying to develop…

    Just my opinion that Pirri will not be a guy capable of replacing a Versteeg or Burish…
    who IMO are quicker, more fiesty, and play w/ an edge… Hope I am wrong!!! But I don’t see him being chippy- maybe if he puts on 15 lbs. – but it is really about attitude and playing w/ chip on shoulder… I don’t think you learn that.

    Pirri is better suited for a team like Philly, Boston, or LA- who have guys who can allow him to play finesse/softer game.

    Best thing that could happen is he scores 35 goals in AHL- and Hawks have luxury of trading a “core” player for a Ladd or Dustin Brown type. Or trade Pirri for that type of young physical (low cap stud) after he scores 35 in AHL.

  23. Tab Bamford says:

    re: wall – I wouldn’t ask Pirri to replace Versteeg or Burish because he’s a different style of player; I see guys like Shaw, Morin, Smith, Kruger and eventually McNeill in those roles. And I think it’s a mistake to try to recapture the same formula that worked two years ago.

    I think, in time, Pirri can be a serviceable center in the NHL. On some teams, he could be a solid 2C. The debate that fans will have in forums such as this is whether or not Pirri is good enough to be a 2C on a Stanley Cup champion, which is the expectation in Chicago now. As I said before, there appears to be good depth coming in the system (Saad, Danault, Teravainen especially), and the Hawks honestly don’t have many top six spots left to be filled (Toews, Sharp, Hossa and Kane leave 2 spots possibly open for now). Could Pirri be a good 2C on a line w/ Hossa and a solid LW? I think, as early as 2013-14, he could be. The bigger issue is the LW skating opposite Hossa in that scenario; it cannot be Stalberg.

    And I’ll just throw this out there again… trading prospects for another team’s captain is a pipe dream that is rarely, if ever, realized. Let’s scale back our expectations a bit.

  24. nathan says:

    Tab,

    Why can’t Stalberg be that LW?

  25. Tab Bamford says:

    to be blunt, nathan, Stalberg isn’t physical enough to play LW on a line where Pirri’s the center imo.

  26. nathan says:

    that’s fair. did you see a progression from the 10/11 season to the 11/12 season from Stalberg with respect to the use of his size? I don’t mean specifically throwing his weight around, but in all aspects: protecting the puck, board work, etc. I certainly wouldn’t call Stalberg physical – but I really began to appreciate his puck possession skills at times and stretches last season. My old man and I remarked that he could grow into a Hossa light in that respect.

    But with regard to the subject at hand; I wouldn’t use Stalberg on the LW opening in question either. I like the hockey sense, leadership and previous center experience Sharp would bring to that position – notwithstanding the goal scoring he would add. I get where people would want to have some physical presence on a line with Pirri because they see him as a player lacking in that regard but bodychecks aren’t going to be the stat that keeps a line centered by Pirri on the plus side of +/-. High hockey sense (to compliment the skill side of his game) and savvy checkers are the better compliment in my opinion.

    Also, as someone who is pulling for Pirri to find success with the Hawks I hope the organization allows him to find continued growth and confidence this season in Rockford (likely to have been the case anyway) but to coach him properly when he makes the transition to the NHL. Get him committed to a defense first approach and not too punish him too terribly for making a mistake or two.

  27. Chicalleni says:

    Vik Stalberg doesn’t have much of a future with the Hawks. If there had been a “normal” offseason then chances are Bowman would have flipped Stalberg at the zenith of his NHL value. People need to really watch Stalberg play hockey. He’s got Jack Skille disease in that his one great skill set of speed doesn’t make him a complete enough hockey player. The Hawks need their top 6 LW to play two-way hockey, and that’s something Stals will never be able to do. The gritty teams eat Stalberg for lunch. I’ve seen enough to say bye bye.

  28. Tab Bamford says:

    I’m not knocking Stalberg’s ability (when he applies it), and I think he can certainly be an effective forward in the NHL. My comment was specific to a line with Brandon Pirri at center. I would prefer a physical player that gets in front of the net and hits on a line w/ Pirri and, in theory, Hossa.

    To Chicalleni’s comment, I wouldn’t say Stalberg’s as bad as Skille, but he does go thru some awfully frustrating stretches. Last year he was more consistent than Bickell & Frolik

  29. nathan says:

    I am with most that see Stalberg as streaky or not quite whole; as a reminder though, last year was his second full season at the NHL level. With that in mind:

    jamie benn
    es toi = 1070
    es points = 52
    es points/60min = 2.92
    cap hit = 0.82mil (entry level)

    patrick sharp
    es toi = 1130
    es points = 51
    es points/60min = 2.71
    cap hit = 3.9mil (as of the year for compiled stats now, 5.9mil)

    pavel datsyuk
    es toi = 1068
    es points = 44
    es points/60mins = 2.47
    cap hit = 6.7mil

    viktor stalberg
    es toi = 1072
    es points = 43
    es points/60min = 2.41
    cap hit = 0.875mil

    alex semin
    es toi = 1097
    es points = 43
    es points/60min = 2.35
    cap hit = 6mil (as of the year of compiled stats now, 7mil)

    daniel sedin
    es toi = 1096
    es points = 42
    es points/60min = 2.3
    cap hit = 6.1mil

    Pretty effective player when you consider that list. A player that I think will have a bit of a career with the Hawks and a player that I don’t think has reached the ‘zenith’ of his NHL value. Consider that he played a total of 35 minutes on the PP and still scored 20 goals – pretty remarkable.

  30. nathan says:

    Another stat of his that is nice and flies in the face of the ‘visual evidence’ that he is a turn over machine is his giveaway to takeaway ratio which is better than 1:2. In fact, he had 51 takeaways last season – ranking him 45th. If you think it an insignificant stat go and look at the names of the players ahead of him on that list and enlighten yourself.

  31. nathan says:

    And Tab, I know you weren’t slamming Stalberg. His name just came up incidentally with respect to a hypothetical line centered by Pirri – where you and I are in accordance. I wanted to leave the preceeding posts as a way to enlighten those in the camp that completely undervalues Stalberg for reasons that I cannot understand.

  32. Rufus T. Firefly says:

    Viktor Stalberg’s statistics from last season are misleading. Bottom line, Stalberg was a relative non-factor in the bulk of games against the gritty likes of Nashville, LA, St. Louis, Phoenix and Dallas. And he didn’t do a whole lot against Detroit or Vancouver either…at least by my eyeball check. He’s not top 6 material on a legitimate Cup contender in the Western Conference. He’s just not. He can be a useful player, but for the Hawks that would have to be on the 4th line, because you sure the heck don’t want him on the Bolland line.

    Winter Classic cancelled. In other breaking news, the sun will set in the west this evening.

  33. Tab Bamford says:

    The tricky part w/ Stalberg is just what Rufus points out: where does Stalberg fit on this Hawks’ roster? He was most productive w/ Hossa on the 2nd line, but there’s no guarantee he’ll be there again. His performance last year certainly enhanced his value on the market – something we can’t say about Frolik or Bickell – so he might be an odd man out if a younger player wins ice time.

  34. nathan says:

    Stalberg

    TEAM P-Gms +/-
    Van 3-4 +1
    Stl 2-6 -2
    Nsh 3-6 -3
    Det 1-6 -3
    Phx 2-4 -1
    LA 2-4 +1
    Dal 2-2 +1
    ——————————–
    15-32 -6

    Sharp (even strength only as a fair comparison)

    TEAM P-Gms +/-
    Van 1-4 +1
    Stl 2-6 +1
    Nsh 2-4 +1
    Det 5-5 +3
    Phx 2-4 -2
    LA 1-4 +1
    Dal 3-4 +3
    ————————————
    15-31 +8

    I use Sharp as the comparison as both players player similar amount of games and minutes (even strength). Further Hossa (leading point producer for the Hawks) had 20pts (even strength) over 34 games and was even in plus/minus against the same competition. Lets look at the average difference in output for all three players against that competition (all points even strength).

    Stalberg 43 in 79 games = 0.544 pts/game
    0.469pts/game against your competition
    difference = (-0.085)pts/game

    Hossa 54 in 81 games = 0.667pts/game
    0.588pts/game against your competition
    difference =(-0.079)pts/game

    Sharp 51 in 74 games = 0.689pts/game
    0.483pts/game against your competition
    differncce = (-0.206)pts/game

    Hossa and Stalberg continue to be basically consistent against grittier competition while Sharp has a significant drop off in points per game. But what about +/-, Stalberg has a pretty nasty looking -6 in his 32 games against ‘gritty’ competition but lets look at the average and diffence in average against the season.

    +0.38/game sharp vs season
    +0.26/game sharp vs your competition
    -0.12/game difference

    +0.22/game hossa vs season
    +0.00/game vs your competition
    -0.22/game difference

    +0.08/game stalberg vs season
    -0.19/game vs your competition
    -0.27/game difference

    Sharp did well compared to the other two who had similar net differences in their plus/minus. The Captain himself had a difference of (-0.24) within the same metrics.

  35. nathan says:

    RE: the Stalberg issue

    People don’t seem to want to acknowledge a good thing when they see it. Instead of seeing what there is to like about Stalberg critics tend to offer armchair scouting reports that aren’t backed up by the numbers. As a fellow Hawk fan and armchair GM I have listened to pockets of the fanbase consistently undervalue Stalberg. The problem in any criticism I’ve listened to is that is has no home in facts. I implore someone to collect some statics that lend credence to their scouting reports. I’ve already demonstrated in this message thread that point production wise (5on5) Stalberg is ELITE (this can’t be stressed enough), with a bargain pricetag. I’ve demonstrated that he doesn’t shrink away against ‘gritty’ competition (at least no more than other top 6 forwards on the roster). Otherwise, what else is there to like about Stalberg? He’s big, he’s fast (likely one of the 10 fastest skaters in the league), he has scored 20 goals at the NHL level, he effectively doubled his production between his first and second full NHL seasons, 3 leading hitter among Hawks forwards, elite total takeaways and ratio to giveaways, he is 26, he makes less than 1 million dollars per season, his team mates like him. Sadly, it seems to me that if all of this was packaged into a 20 year old fighting to crack the lineup there would be so many fans pumping his tires. But because he has been here growing his game over two disappointing seasons his growth and potential can’t be appreciated.

  36. wall says:

    Nathan, great stats… in the end they never tell the whole story. But I am a big fan of Stalberg… especially when you consider cap hit!!!!

    But, what I have seen is the greatest improvement (IMO) on the roster year over year.
    I mean the 1st several games in a Hawks jersey he fell on his ass several times a game trying to work the boards and the Cycle… I could see he struggled and was awful at it!!!

    But he has improved that part of his game 100% and his stats have improved with him.
    He kind of reminds me of Willie Gault- not really a go to guy, not the best hands, But you have to like his ability to make a big play… and respect his speed!

    I would not be surprised to see him on the PK in 1-2 years… and average 3-4 Shorties a year on break-aways.

  37. nathan says:

    Despite what any of us think in particular, it was great to talk a little hockey this afternoon! :)

    I’m streaming the Icehogs game tonight. Anyone else tuning in through any medium? The game is for first place in the division. Encouraging!

  38. Rufus T. Firefly says:

    Thank you for the statistical analysis. That said, I’ve played enough hockey and watched enough hockey during my four decades on this planet to trust what my eyeballs tell me. Stalberg has obvious physical gifts. But again, is he top 6 material on the Hawks? My answer is an emphatic no. And he sure doesn’t fit on the Bolland line. Meaning the best strategy is to sell Stalberg at what I believe is the peak of his NHL value. He’s got skill and he’s cheap. But he doesn’t really fit what the Hawks need. Not with the current mix of core players and not if the goal is to legitimately compete for a Cup once again.

  39. wall says:

    Rufus, I like most of what you have stated in past… also trust your Hockey eye to a certain extent… agree on Beach and Morin… but don’t agree on selling Stalberg unless they feel like he is going to demand too much money next contract…

    From a Cap stand point…
    IMO- they are better off locking him up cheap and skating him on 4th line… or lock him up cheap and get rid of Kane ( I know most everybody loves him- Superman!) and using that 5.5 mill elsewhere!

    Going back to 2009 playoff replays– Kane was AWESOME!!! He does not look like the same guy!!!!!!!! Is it because the BIG CHECKERS are gone??? Is it because
    he has gotten lazy???- making too much money selling LemonHeads and Himself???
    Is it because he is a Drunk Punk??? Or all of the above???

    To me he is not the same player.

  40. nathan says:

    Rufus, what else do your eyeballs tell you? You’ve already contended that he doesn’t show up against gritty teams, which I’ve demonstrated false. If you don’t believe he fits with this current group of core players I can’t really argue – it is your opinion and that is fine. What is your philosophy then with what is required to contend for a cup with regard to the top 6? Who or what type of player do you see playing the wing in the top 6?

    Also, Stalberg has NO trade value. He is a UFA at the end of whatever season gets played. Expect him to be resigned, evidently to your dismay.

  41. nathan says:

    special teams disappointment in rockford tonight

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