Blackhawks Prospects Ready For Opportunities

The Blackhawks Prospect Camp opened on Sunday, but Monday was our first chance to see the players scrimmage.

Reminder, we posted breakdowns of the three training camp rosters:

42 thoughts on “Blackhawks Prospects Ready For Opportunities

  1. Fortin… He did play for the QMJHL champion Rouyn Noranda Huskies and played in the Memorial Cup final (3A in 5 games). Worth a Look.

  2. If the Hawks are well under their 50 contract limit, maybe he will get one. Or I guess the Hogs can sign him to AHL contract????

    A dose of payroll reality. An NHL team has a 22 or 23 man roster most nights with a Cap of $74mm. The NBA announced its Cap the other day. The NBA Cap has many many exceptions and loopholes BUT for their 10-12 man roster the FLOOR is $84mm
    Wow

  3. I was wrong. Any undrafted CHL player can sign a spc as long as it’s after the NHL draft but before the CHL season starts. Oilers tried to sign a Russian a few years ago that had spent half a season in the Q and went undrafted. The signing was disallowed because he didn’t spend a full season in the QMJHL.

    Why was he skipped over in 2 drafts?

  4. Saw the interview with Fortin, seems like a real good kid,.,.kinda Toews like a couple years back,.,.only with a french accent. Guess he played a couple good games,.,.,Worthy of a chance ?
    Seems to be a standout at the tourney.

  5. Al Strachan tweeted out tonight that Jimmy Vesey has narrowed his list to Buffalo, Chicago and Toronto.

  6. Craig – If that info is correct I feel better about our chances. Can you imagine how pissed off 29 teams would be if we got Panarin and Vesey in consecutive summers! Fingers are crossed.

  7. I’ll bet he goes to Toronto, his dad’s on the staff and brother’s in their system according to my hasty research. That is, unless they dump his brother and piss him off right before his free agency period comes up, I seem to recall a similar situation happening a couple years back…

  8. His dad is a scout for Toronto, yes. However he works exclusively in the Boston area. His brother Nolan, was a 6th round pick and had a better freshman year at Maine than this past year. Toronto fans and media always think players are going there and look for reasons to back it up. Gonna have to wait a month.

  9. Ernie- my understanding is that he has had some bad luck with injuries. Makes teams hesitant.

  10. Vesey is a total coin flip at this stage. I doubt Boston is off his list. They seemed to the most likey landing place.

    Dont forget Kempny was a big “get” too.

  11. I don’t necessarily buy the injury thing. Galchenyuk had a torn ACL. Fournier had a shredded shoulder. Sam Bennett couldn’t do even 1 pull up because of a shoulder. He put up decent points in the Q in both draft years. His +/- on that team leaves something to be desired. Granted it’s not the best stat. But it can be telling.

  12. The Hawks scout and “find” players better then most organizations around the league. just some later picks and undrafted players recently included; Panarin, Raanta, dustin byfuglien, Andrew Shaw. Scott Darling.

    While I hate to include Duncan Keith(future HOF player) and Brandon Saad both were guys that were passed on and turned into Allstars and Stanley Cup winners.

    I was reading that Vesey is actually friends with the Hayes family specifically Kevin. If that is indeed true there is almost ZERO chance he signs here sorry

  13. If Jimmy Vesey is taking advice from Kevin Hayes, then it would be a good thing for him to not sign with the Hawks.

    I watched the Vesey interview with Joe Haggerty and although Haggerty was somewhat leading the witness it sounded to me that Vesey’s heart is in Boston. I’d be surprised if he isn’t a Bruin shortly after August 15th.

  14. @ EB

    Saw the same interview. Joe Haggerty however is a complete hack. Ever Boston Bruins fans cant stand the guy. He recently said the Bruins should sign Tyson Barrie and forfeit numerous 1st and 2nd round picks since Barrie is an RFA and how it would be worth it.

  15. Saw that Haggerty interview as well. The questions were totally loaded. So while what Vesey had to say alone leaves you that he’s obviously going to Boston. But the questions were pretty loaded so I don’t know.

  16. Any update on Ryan Haggerty. Did`t we get him in the Raantta trade. I don`t see him Listed for Prospects Camp.

  17. Haggerty is currently an RFA and since he has come off his ELC is not eligible for camp. I think.

  18. ryan haggerty did not receive a qualifying offer. So he is gone.

    I realize Strachan has plenty of enemies, Brian Burke being one of them.
    I am just repeating what Strachan tweeted.
    He then followed it up Thursday, saying the Leafs were none too happy that he put that information out there. Whether it’s true or not, who knows ? But I doubt Stan Bowman flies to Boston in the middle of summer to check out a summer league just because he is board and wants to boost his frequent flier miles.

    Clearly, the Hawks are in the game on Vesey. They failed on similar efforts to sign defenseman Mike Reilly and the above mentioned Kevin Hayes. It’s very possible Vesey signs elsewhere. If Stan somehow nabs him that would be a coup.

  19. Haggerty isn’t necessarily gone. The the qualifying offer system guarantees a player a raise. When he was signed by the Rangers his hit was 925k. He’s done nothing to justify a raise so he wasn’t offered a QO. He can still be signed at a reduced rate.

  20. Vesey is going to sign with Boston. Worst kept secret in the NHL. People can conjure up other scenarios all they want, but he is a 99.99% lock to sign with the Bruins. It’s where he wants to be and they want him.

  21. All the hype surrounding Vesey certainly puts added pressure on him right away.

    This listening tour, while his right, means there will be a lot more focus on his immediate production this year.

    Minnesota found out the hard way that Mike Reilly had no idea how to play positionally in the pro game. At one point in Iowa he was -23.

    Point is, yes I’d love for the Hawks to sign him but if he stays in his comfort zone on the east coast, so be it.

  22. In terms of the Haggerty Trade, so essentially , we have nothing to show for trading that asset. Nice.

  23. Fortin had a good week… and I’m sure any kid that didn’t get drafted would love to sign with an organization like Chicago. Hawks need to get their cards lined up for the season and my guess is that they give Vesey a call before making any promises to other prospects.

  24. Thanks for stopping by Jim. It’s the we gave up Sharp and Johns for cap space crap all over again…except we’re talking about Antti freakin Raanta

  25. went to scrimmage today… missed almost entire 1st period.. 0-0

    1st off- please take all of this with ” a grain of salt”…
    1.) they were against a lot of guys… that will never play in NHL
    2.) how do they compare to NHL skaters???
    3.) How smart will their IQ’s be when playing at the REAL NHL pace???
    4.) last 2 periods played like an NHL All-star game… lot’s of pace, 3 on 2’s etc.

    Best players/lines (Hino/Haden/Hartman-line)- had great chemistry/Intensity/speed
    Hayden- set up two Hino goals, strong in corners. very solid, one of top players
    Hino- played with pace
    Hartman- I have seen several times In Rock– never A FAN… best I have seen him play… played well and faster than ever (again vs. boys)

    D-Cat/Schmaltz/Motte (2nd best line to the line above)
    Schmaltz– sick Passing skills… holds onto puck like Kane… needs to play with guys who slash/cut and move to get open… this guy might be better than Kane feathering pucks in between D man’s legs/sticks right on the tape!!! Has a 6th sense (at least vs. boys) of how long to hold and be patient with puck… Has an extra gear when it comes to accelerating over blue line to beat D… think he snuck thru for 2-3 partial break aways… and set up numerous back door Grade A chances (Motte finished one)… only CONCERN… will someone in NHL knock his block off– when he is too patient holding puck!!! Jack Ramsey- TATTO-oed him!!!

    Individual standouts–
    Mathias From- speedy, aggressive, scored a goal and set up Bondra goal, really liked this guy… also- I think Hawk’s got a steal here (I am only assuming he will have better coaching then the Danes provided- so far)

    Fortin- Great forecheck, set up Kero for a tap in- generated by forecheck, skates like Danault… really liked him

    Radke– Guy owns the puck in corners, couple of nice power moves (like poorman’s Rick Nash) always in good position, Man among boys- can be said about Radke and Hayden… scored on great wrister, and set up another goal or two!!! If he has decent skating speed (NHL wise)… this kid will be in the NHL … puck seemed to find him. Possession game+

    1) Schmaltz
    2) Hino
    3) Hayden
    4) Radke– if he has decent “NHL” speed– he will be a Player (sooner than later)
    5) From– if this kid has IQ?learns well- will be a very nice player
    6) Fortin- seems very smart and skate like Danault
    7) Hartman

    D guys??? Didn’t see much D… But if I had to GUESS… lot’s of TO’s in neutral zones- creating offense vs. Helpless D guys
    Snuggerud
    Tuulola
    Soderberg

  26. Sorry to rant– Once again- I wish I could see these Prospects skate with Hawks…
    It is much easier to see who can skate with NHL guys … when Q runs those 3 on 2 and 2 on 1 “fast break” practices… when I saw Saad… I instantly knew He was going to be a “player”… same can be said with Pirri… Pirri couldn’t keep up with the Pace- and was like Mashinter (last guy to skate into TV screen) on most every drill… knew Pirri and Cden would never make it with Hawks!!!

    anyways- would love to see Radke and Hayden, From and Fortin in Hawks practice to see how they “really keep up”

    If Radke/Hayden can keep up w/ NHL speed… they are both strong enough to make the Hawks – sooner than later

  27. Wall, great wrap up. I was also there. Hayden played with an edge as the game went on. We need that. Radke, absolutely sick top shelp wrister.

    I actually asked Kitch after practice what he thought of the Motte,Schmaultz,Cat line. He said some of this kids have a legit shot at the show. Kitch stated we all shed a tear when Saad/Shaw had to leave and I told him Chicago shed that same tear. But there is solid talent in the pipeline. It was also good to see several local kids out there and they played well, Hino and Radke.
    But I especially agree, skating with NHL caliber is a different dance.
    The best Red line and were puck hounds in all zones, especially the back check.
    Kempny is one helluva a skater. Great recovery on a couple of pinches.
    Looking forward to see who sticks with the mothership.

  28. Gou- thx

    would you add any “noticeable guys” I missed? Or was I be too kind to From and Fortin?

    Was I overstating… on Schmaltz, Radke, Hayden??? I was the Tall guy standing next to the bleachers where Q/Stanbo/Kitch were sitting.

  29. Gou and Wall…THANKS!

    I know it’s tough to analyze based on a the talent pool. But do you think Schmaltz is a center going forward? Ditto for Hayden. He’s played wing almost exclusively the last 2 seasons at Yale. How was Debrincat’s skating? Didn’t talk too much about Motte..

    If you had to guess who makes the opening night roster who would you think gets thrown out there. Let’s assume Vesey isn’t here.

  30. Ernie– Re: Schmaltz and Hayden as Centers… Schmaltz looked good at C …

    I believe Hino Centered the line with Hayden/Hartman as wings… (but perhaps He exchanged with Hino mid flight – I don’t know)… But Hayden (Like Radke controlled the Puck near boards and made things happen from below the goal line)…

    I to was looking for more from Motte/D-Cat… But skating with Schmaltz… Is like skating with Kane… get him the puck…. and find an open space to shoot… Kane/Schmaltz Will Find You!!! Motte did score on a beautiful feed from Schmaltz, who Held puck, waited… find the cutting Motte for a nice set-up… Schmaltz made several of those passes… either He is luckier than shit… or he is that good… Schmaltz found lanes that were NOT there!!! Think Schmaltz spoon fed DCat once too but… DCat- kinda fanned…

    Any way- I liked Motte more than DCat… but really… the smartest thing both of them could do… is get puck to Schmaltz and MOVE!!! I have watched Motte a lot…
    He is the type of guy who can play with better guys… cuz he knows – they will drive the play… can’t fault him… actually a smart/good way to play!!!

    I would think Schmaltz is on the roster… The only way he doesn’t make it… is if he
    sucks on the D side… or even more likely… If Schmaltz gets lit up in a scrimmage/pre-season game…. perhaps the brass – might consider putting him in Rock – to learn how to avoid the dirty/fast hitters… Like I said- Ramsey absolutely drilled Schmaltz (clean hit in neutral zone) Nick saw it last second – and kind of went limp- to reduce the shock- I assume…

    I can also see Hartman making team… I have never seen him play that fast ( then again- NOT AHL comp- but kids)… Hino was also as fast as I have seen… I actually prefer Hino.

    Put Schmaltz with quick skaters/shooters who can find a soft spot… Panarin???
    Motte??? Toews??? Schmaltz WILL find you!!!
    Can Schmaltz play Center??? depends on how he does in his own zone??? And couldn’t tell in scrimmage… cuz he usually had the Puck in the O zone!!!

    And again- If From has a decent IQ/ability to be coached… and Radke has any skating ability… both of these Kids will move up the “Prospect” chart really quickly!!! Loved them both (in the 2 periods I watched)

    Knott- did Knott-thing for me
    Olofsson- mostly invisible… Played with From- who was the “guy” to watch on that line… He did score a goal… but I was caught watching other end- scrum behind the far goal… by the time I looked up saw puck in the net… assumed From and Olofsson worked a little 2 on 1 ???(cuz they were both flying by net- when I turned my head)

  31. From a consistency standpoint and I mean virtually every shift, Motte, Schmaultz, Cat, Hino, Hayden, and even Louis came to play. They showed the intangibles you can’t teach. Good body position to shield the puck, great hands in tight spaces, great ability to read and make the play, great ability to receive the puck in speed even if not on the tape using their skating ability to position themselves to receive the pass.
    They just stood out with that type of play, which many others did, just not as consistent. Reddsteel has a good deal of talent in the system.
    I also liked Press. He had a nice skate last Sunday and played a decent D today. Valleau had a nice game. Kempny also is a name to watch. Since we are on D, I asked Kitch about Soupy and his eyes lite up and he had a big smile stating, We have four solid D, now it’s a matter of 5, 6, and 7 to fill minutes. I’d actually like to see Rozy gone and get some more fresh young speed size in those slots. Rozy was a warrior and served us well. But like Timmonen, his time has passed. Soupy is no Timmonen and will fit nicely. It’s like puttin on an old glove ya lost, still fits.
    Ernie, I like Cats game. He put the body on a few guys, has nice hands, sees the game well, and can skate/shoot. You don’t just score like that in the O without that fire.
    Just my two cents, and I was siting on the glass red blue line next to the guy filming Chicago Blachawks TV.

  32. Thanks guys, its insight like this that makes this the best site for Hawks chat. Thanks Tab

  33. Tremendous job, gou and wall. There is nothing like the eye test.

    I saw Schmaltz play a few times in person last year and was tremendously impressed as well. His hands, patience, zone entries, cycling. The kid has stud written all over him.

    When I asked someone connected with the North Dakota program, who lives here in Omaha, what Schmaltz’s upside is, he replied – Jason Spezza.

  34. “People can conjure up other scenarios all they want, but he is a 99.99% lock to sign with the Bruins.”

    So your saying theres a chance.

    Thanks Wall/others, good info as usual.

  35. Nice comparison Craig. I was thinking of who Motte was like and kept leaning toward a Tavares type.

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