Blackhawks Shopping Dylan Strome?

Last night on Canadian radio, expert/insider Elliotte Friedman said he believes the Blackhawks have made center Dylan Strome available.

Strome, 23, was acquired from Arizona on Nov. 25, 2018 with Brendan Perlini for Nick Schmaltz. He finished last year with 51 points in 58 games for Chicago. This year he also appeared in 58 games, producing 38 points.

The Blackhawks have an abundance of centers under contract on the NHL roster. Jonathan Toews has three years left on his contract. Kirby Dach – the future of the franchise at center – and Ryan Carpenter have two more affordable seasons left on their contracts. And David Kampf, the best of the group at the dot not-named-Toews, has one season left.

Strome won 47.7 percent of his faceoffs this season, a slight improvement from 46.2 percent with the Blackhawks last season. He is a restricted free agent whenever the 2019-20 season officially ends and is coming off a deal that carried a $863,333 AAV.

The Blackhawks have seven picks in the upcoming NHL Draft (whenever that happens). Chicago has Pittsburgh’s pick in the second round and two selections – their own and a pick from Calgary – in the third.

136 thoughts on “Blackhawks Shopping Dylan Strome?

  1. I can certainly believe it. He even underwent some Eddie-O bashing toward the end of this (suspended) season. He needs to play center rather than wing, but when there, needs to move his legs and work hard. He’s a talented player but a bit frail. Not a great skater so needs to make up for it with effort. Good in streaks but didn’t perform well in 2020.

    What can they get in terms of a solid competitor and (or pick of value) in return would be my biggest question.

  2. so if the rumor is true then it would appear strome wants more money than the hawks can pay since bowman transacted the team back into cap hell last summer.

  3. Trade rumors…..when the trade deadline has passed and the time of reopening is question. Yet contracts are being signed. Looks like a negotiation tactic. However strome may very well be asking for way too much so certainly could be true.8 of those 38 points on the terrible pp. Doesnt stand out defensively. Doesnt use size to advantage often. slow but not intolerable given speedy wingers. His main negotiation is they dont have many other players. Not exactly a strong base to negotiate from

    Strome either stay here with bff and maybe get a bigger or longer contract next go around if you can prove it. Or bon voyage and hope you get more chances than you got here. If you were smart you’d sign cheap here knowing you got an A+ scorer in debrincat to work with nothing that your next contract comes with two ten million dollar contracts coming off the books. Seems like an easy long term decision to me. Or go elsewhere and see what happens

  4. Just an FYI, WGR550 is in Buffalo…not Canada.

    Some Sabres fans want Strome to play behind Eichel, that’s why he was brought up on Buffalo radio…I see no need for that given Dylan Cozens will be a much better player.

  5. Strome was playing great till he got injured. He was on basically the scoring pace as during the 2018/19 season. He’s still young. I hope the Hawks don’t give up on him. A Center crew of Toews-Dach-Syeome-Carpenter//Kampf/Highmore looks solid.
    Having a down year last season, Strome can’t be asking for a huge raise.

  6. Strome is a solid player, but is not a second line player ,on a Stanley Cup Contender , Strome is a bit slow and not worth the money, he will ask. Get some picks for him and spread the money around, so the Hawks have some depth.

  7. Given cap- my rebuild includes Strome ( within reason) Bownhead problem is… he overpays- also gives too many years. My rebuild:
    Kane- Dach-Kubalik
    Teply-Toews-FA or Barratt or Caggiula or Hagel
    Cat—Strome-FA or Barratt or Caggs or Hagel
    Entwhistle-Kurashev-Shaw? Or FA
    “IF” Strome ain’t asking for too much-I see a bounce back “IF” he is with Cat…AND… a mucker grit guy who goes get the puck. Cat- Strome magic show requires a Shaw or Caggs or Barratt type. Is there any Guy in draft half as good as Shanahan? That guy would allow Strome to thrive with one caveat….Strome HAS to go get the puck more & he has to play center. He ain’t worth what Cat got… & Cat was overpaid- typical Bownhead!

  8. To be clear, news out of TOR, is just on Strome. Theres no word/rumors on Mitch or Teply, right?

    If Mitch and Teply are safe and sound in Chicago. Beauty. So Teply was player of the yr for juniors league, that is huge. I know he was the, only, good player in world juniors this yr, he was good though. Be huge if he is a top 6 quality.

  9. With Dach on the verge of being really good and then when he gets into prime, elite. Strome is not needed for 1 or 2 line. Hes can be 3rd line center and 64/22 can be 4th line where they would do best. Same with 12 17 on 3rd line. Now just get the young wave players NHL ready and in a yr were looking good/on our way.

    These guys need experience so let them learn.

    Teply and top 5 draft player and Dach is half of the top 6 right there. 19 88 20 arnt too shabby for the other half.

  10. @ not just tim 2

    the opinions on this site are far more knowledgeable than on other sites and i certainly respect those that contrast with mine.

    BUT ……. PLEASE ……. no more line combinations with caggiula above the fourth line. i appreciate his play and all teams need a player who brings what he does to the table. but caggiula is a fine fourth liner who can move up the lineup as a stop gap measure for a few games on occasion when injuries crop up. he is nothing more than that. he is not the guy you want to pencil in at the beginning of the season to play with toews, kane, or dach.

  11. Honest Guy agree could be part of negotiating. I remember though after Debrincat signed last summer, Bowmans comment was Strome is next. Waited all season to here something and nothing materialized. Looks like something may have changed the opinion of him. So far Strome has struggled when not with Debrincat or Kane, how much do you offer him, most players look good with Kane. He should sign a one or two year team friendly show me type deal and go for big money then.

  12. BBB this team isn’t in cap hell at all, the pieces added can be removed easily. What was given up, 2 Ahlers who weren’t part of the future as it turned out for Dehaan, Kahun another in a list of smaller fwds that organization isn’t void on. for Maatta. Anisimov whose shelf life expired and everybody calling for him to be moved a year or 2 before he wa,s for Smith, few decided after the fact he shoulda stayed. Any return for them is basically gravy not recouping a loss. Cap space is attainable without any big dumps and giving up prospects to do it. The league may make provisions to deal with cap issues in lieu of raising cap available for teams to, although that would likely involve Nhlpa and need for them to sit down first together.

  13. @ scott powell

    hawks drafted michal teply last summer. 105th pick in the draft. 6’2” – 163# left wing.

    guessing mitch is ian mitchell.

  14. Mo, Mitchell has never said anything to indicate he wanted to sogn anywhere else, in fact has said the opposite on a number of occasions. As for Teply the Blackawks have 3 more years to sign him to elc before he becomes a ufa. He has 1 year of juniors eligibilty left so he doesn’t sign by next summer he would have to go back to Europe, not Khl either for 2 years before he could sign with another Nhl team. The fact he came over to Whl would say he wants to sign a Nhl deal asap.

  15. @ ian

    according to spotrac the hawks currently have in the neighborhood of $11 million of cap space for next year with strome, kubalik, and a goalie (crawford?) to sign. and that is to keep the roster the same basically as last year,

    that includes having no idea what seabrook, shaw, and de haan will be able to contribute.

    giving up nothing for de haan is not putting this into proper perspective. his cap hit was $4.55 million last year for less than thirty games and they are on the hook for that amount for the next two years. who is going to take him off the hawks hands with his injury history?

    shaw, he of the four concussions in 17 months, was $3.9 million against the cap last year and he is on the books for two more years. who is going to take him off their hands.

    maatta is $4.1 million for the next two years. who is going to take that contract off their hands? not to mention the “small guy kahun” you seem to be dissing who the hawks had to give up for the pleasure of having maatta. that small guy kahun was on a pace in an 82 game season for 45 points and +12 for a cap hit under one million this year. that 45 point projection was higher than all but five blackhawks forwards and the +12 was a higher projection than any hawks forward. so really ian, don’t make little of what a disaster of a trade that was. not to mention that maatta’s cap hit was more than four times what kahun’s was this year and there is no way kahun will be making anywhere near the $4.1 million the hawks are on the hook for with maatta the next two years. and, if you will, please provide me with that list of smaller forwards that this organization isn’t void on who will be scoring 45 points and be plus 12 for this team next year.

    the anisimov trade was better than keeping him agreed, but little cap space was saved.

    so please explain to me how they aren’t in cap hell and how cap space is attainable without any big dumps or giving up prospects or picks. and while you are doing that save the maatta buyout. having cap space taken up by a guy NOT on your roster is a desperate move covering up for a horrid trade.

    and all of those transactions that actually did put them back into cap hell were short sighted to try to crawl into a playoff spot and how did that work out for them? two more years of bad contracts for shaw, de haan, and maatta, no kahun, lost draft picks and still a shitty roster with no cap space to add a real difference making player.

  16. Dont forget that the Hawks are probably going to be drafting anywhere from 7-12 assuming that they dont win the lottery and that some teams may pass them. If they stay where they are the worst pick they could get is 12 which, in this insane draft, could still become an elite player to play behind Dach at Center or with Dach on the wing. With Dach and Toews as your 1/2, is Strome really an essential signing, especially at anything above 2.5-3 mil a year. With any of the guys in the 9-12 range, they’ll be ready at the most, 3 years down the line (with the exception of the goalie Askarov who they may pick). And it will definitely be a forward considering the drop off of defenseman after Jamie Drysdale.

    I say get what you can for Strome at the draft, take your future top 6 forward whether thats Lundell, Perfetti, Holloway or any of the other guys projected between 7-12, and look for a good 3C in free agency. Hope that guys like Hagel, Kurashev, etc can slide in from Rockford over the next few years to fill in that bottom 6.

    In 3-4 years you could be running

    8-77-88
    20-19-2020 1st rounder
    12-Kurashev-Hagel
    91-64-Teply

    44-27
    74(Beaudin)-Mitchell
    2-5

    Obviously a lot of things can change in this time. Different draft picks could slot in at forward or defense if they progress well and prove themselves. Without incorporating other Defensive prospects like Vlasic, Krys, and Regula, the D-Core is a lot more serviceable and looks a lot better than what we have now. Keith may have to go in 3-4 years and can be replaced on the 3rd pair eventually if he proves to be too old. Basically Strome is not necessarily a need to sign player and shouldn’t be overpaid, as he is not essential to rebuilding to a good team.

  17. Sorry for the long rant… get carried away sometimes. A lot of people have left a lot of good points up on this page. Fun to read.

  18. Thoughts on trading Saad at the draft either to acquire another first or move up with our own first?
    Could be an option to package Strome and Saad to a team like Arizona, Montreal, or Buffalo in exchange for their first round pick and possibly more depending on how they value those two players. AZ, MON, and BUF are all pretty close to playoff teams and if you wanted to grab another player between 6-12 that could be an option. EVen moving up with your own first rounder and make a deal with a team who wins the lottery or another top 5 team and include Strome and Saad. You make some cap room by dumping Saad and not having to sign Strome and you pick up another guy in the top 5 or two guys between 6-12.

    Just another thought as theres not much else to do besides ponder what could happen with this team. I think it could be a good option whether we package our first and get one of Stutzle, Rossi, Raymond, or Drysdale (no way we could trade up for Laf or Byfield), or make a deal and get two of Holtz, Lundell, Perfetti, Holloway, Quinn, etc. I dont know what teams would jump at Saad and Strome for a pick between 6-12 but could happen. Maybe I am too optimistic.

  19. BBB if Kahun is so goid why did Rutherford ship him out in the midst of a playff run. Playing with Crosby lije Kane can distorts what stats really mean, plus the Pens having a more successful year adds to his success. He may end up a fine Nhler but on his 3rd team in under 2 yearsin league raises questions to say the least.

    Buyouts are actually fairly common and far from your sky is falling portrayal. Both Smith and Maatta under a 1m each on a buyout could be off the books for 1.7m caphit vs 7.35 m caphit now a 5.65m savings. Retained salary would go to end of contract and likely be more that for each player. That said no reason to realisticly believe a team wouldn’t want both if ask wasn’t too high. Shaw was an organizational decision it would seem so enough said there, and likely start year on ktir at least. Dehaan if he can be healthy and bring a bit of retuern at tdl or next summer that’s a win. So i just don’t see the despair you are portraying.

    200 ft game would like to see some big moves like that, hope there is.

  20. Regarding Kahun`s Salary…….I could be wrong but wasn`t there some significant bonuses to be paid to him over and above his base salary.

  21. Ian – Re: your comment on negotiations with Strome – “Looks like something may have changed the opinion of him”. I believe the answer to that question is Kirby Dach performing at a level that made it clear that Strome was at best 3C. You cannot justify anywhere near Dcat money for that slot.

  22. MS agree that is likely playing a big part of Strome’s negotiations, the promise of Dach.

    Jim yes Kahun has potential for max bonuses 2.8m but they are prorated i believe so Pens still owe bulk of any coming, wouldn’t be a factor in the trade to Buffalo.

  23. Seabrook-buyout
    Maatta-buyout or trade for draft picks
    Shaw I honestly will be either injuried reserve or we won’t see him till Christmas next year.
    Resign Crawford he proved that he can still play and let Kevin and Colin Delia play for the backup spot all year long.
    Smith-keep
    Trade at the deadline next year Calvin dehana
    See if brandon Saad can move you into the top 3 with Dylan strome

  24. Rutherford traded for Kahun to dump the Matta contract…Kahun was a bonus.

    Bergevin traded injury prone Shaw to Chicago to dump the salary…the draft picks Bowman gave up in the trade made the trade totally idiotic for the Hawks

    Carolina traded injury proned De haan to the Hawks to dump salary.

    Three trades that wasted over twelve million in cap space and if the Hawks were to package all three players together now Chicago would get nothing in return unless Chicago added a first round pick or top prospect in return.

    To suggest De haan being healthy next season is like believing the Toews and Kane Stanley cup window is still open.

    I will give Bowman and company an F- for totally wasting twelve million in cap space and giving away draft picks.

  25. Reminder: Buyouts are dead cap space. So the idea that the Hawks can just magically make cap hits disappear isn’t real.

    We don’t have any confirmation of compliance buyouts being made option this summer yet (because the season isn’t over… yet) so let’s all hit the pause button on dumping half the roster and starting over with… God knows what.

  26. Thx BBB once again for your bang on opinions.
    The fact remains, all this talk about moving a player out here and there, shaving cap room here and there, trading here and there, the problem remains Stan Clueless Bowman who continues to take one step forward and a dozen steps back!
    Why bring back Shaw at $3.9million when on a cup team including the HAWKS he was a 4th line player! Once again, Bowman spends money on 4th line players! I mean, he brought in an over $3million dollar 4th line player in Zach Smith! Paid $5million for a career back up goalie in Lehner! He fails to actually get a talented top six forward to help Toews and Kane. Gambling on KHL, SWISS league players the last 5 seasons tell you what a failure he has been drafting and trading. He was lucky to land Panarin with all the bonuses but that honeymoon lasted 2 seasons.
    Yes, no more talk about Carpenter who should be placed on waivers or sent to Rockford. I never liked Strome, that was an awful trade when it happened, but now he can’t even sign him on a bridge deal because he’s paying ridiculous money for Smith, Shaw, and Carpenter. Which means he traded away Nick Schmaltz for who???
    And of course, he has expensive dmen like Murphy, DaHann and Matta on the roster because he has not developed any through the draft. ! Seabs still has a better IQ than any of these guys especially Murphy.
    These teams needs goal scorers with size and speed. The 4th line should be inexpensive, young, and can skate. Highmore, maybe Cagg, and Kampf but maybe Enwhistle can be that player instead. Get rid of Shaw who is done, Smith and especially Carpenter.
    Barratt, is not going to make the Hawks and suddenly produce 40 to 45 points like a 3rd line should produce on a CUP team. Too young , and not that talented anyway. Again, who is Bowman to evaluate players? He thought Strome was a better player than Schmaltz? Weise better than Danault? Saad better than Panarin? The list is long!
    He creates his own Cap hell and then wants fans to feel sorry for him. He needs to go!

  27. Dawg, See if brandon Saad can move you into the top 3 with Dylan strome

    I would like to keep Saader, although if we got the 2nd pick I would be good with that trade. Since Byfield looks to be good like Dach is.

    As I see every player after Lafren and Byfield the same. This draft really is 10 deep 3-10 is same. People thought that last draft, but Dach will show he might be top 2 in that draft and the others wa a drop off before 10th pick. Not arguing just saying and going with this draft is deeper in the top 10 ness.

    Would then need to get 2 twoway FW to get HHNL deep from ufa.

    Thats two Dachs thats seeing double.

  28. Stape go back and see Rutherfords comments on how important getting a fwd to play with Crosby was he got Kahun. Yes he the cap space for bonus space worked for both teams but both needed the players they got also.

    Tab agree trades most lijely and alot contracts like Seabrooks, front loaded on purpose by agents, making buyouts basically useless. But ones that aren’t like Maatta and Smiths have only minimal buyout caphit on them, although for every year left on contract it carrys on an for an extra one on the other end. Fact is alot of teams use it and unless ltir is used and players moved during season to make room for them returning, some are moving somehow. That was obvious last summer so something up, maybe he gets Crawford and rfas to play for low hits but trading a couple of tradeable vets be the most likely way.

  29. ian

    i can’t for the life of me figure out what you have against kahun. as a rookie he put up 37 points, was +10, killed penalties, played on the 2nd power play unit, played a solid 200 foot game, played 82 games, and had 6 penalty minutes. and most of those accomplishments were playing as a third line winger on a shitty team that didn’t make the playoffs. if you are really trying to defend bowman you need to find another transaction to hitch your wagon to. that trade for maatta was a dead nuts loser for the blackhawks.

  30. Strome on the market is not a surprise.He was never the answer.Nice to see the Hawks management open their eyes and move on.Slow and Soft are apt descriptions of his game.I am all for dumping half this roster and ending up with young hungry players with a sprinkle of veteran physicality.This means Smith,Maata,Strome,Shaw,should not be on the roster come training camp.My opinion is that we will not see Seabrook or Dehaan either.I would not roll dice on Crawford staying healthy.Go young on the Goalies also.Lets stop kidding ourselves with these patchwork teams designed to sneak into the 8th spot of the playoffs.

  31. BBB have nothing against Kahun, hope he does well in Buffalo, just Blackhawks needed defense, Pens needed a top 6 fwd for Crosbys wing. For some reason not because of the cap in the midst of what they hoped to be a cup run the Pens shipped him out. I found that odd along with how willing Bowman was to move him, although bonuses for cap room played a part there. Maatta was big part of why pk improved as he logged alot of mins there. Late in the season his play seem to regress, suggesting playing through injury, but was one their best defenseman 1st half of the season. Just don’t think as more of the young fwds get Nhl time Kahun was somebody who would have been part of the future regardless.

  32. TimW, those players were added because young players weren’t ready for Nhl too. Then move them as they get forced out. Which will start to happen this off season. Shaw in my thoughts an organizational decision to bring back likely starts year on ltir and may stay, as for Seabrook and Dehaan we’ll see i guess.

    With other teams trying to keep roster together as Blackhawks did in cup years, it’s a different situation. With uncertain cap this year and expansion draft next year, opportunity to find some long term pieces could fall into their lap for the taking. Defense seems to be forgotten how bad overall they were at it and how far the pk came in alot of these conversations.

  33. 65 and 44 can ltir if they are not 100% to play.

    Does it really matter, what yr this summer or next, when the temps are not on 23man anymore. 15 65 6 44 40. I would have been good with 40 and 44 and one of 65/15. After seeing thsoe guys get hurt again-season ending not urt like normal-lie 2 and 20 did. Not sure we want any once we get better players/younger that are fully healthy career wise.

    I know it needs to work and we donot have to do it in one summer. Plus when you think about 19 88 having a lower caphits next time and 50 being retired or a lower caphit when hes older. Were going to have a lot of cap space. Plus 7 will be off soon enough.

  34. We really can start looking ahead a few yrs and how many quality 4-6m players we can add to the young core. We ll have plently to add quality depth and have some more really good yrs.

    Thats going to be another good thing is once the young core looks dynamic other top ufa players will want to play here like 11 and 91 did. And some will do what Richy did, sign for less.

  35. Matta is in the way of adding a great player cap space wise, he can be buyout for 1m or less.

    Kahun is not as good as Kubilik and he had 3m in bonuses so what ever caphit 8 gets might still be less then what 24 was really.

    We have to make some moves, we will. If cap space is in way if adding who we want we ll move any of the temps, need be. There going anyways.

    Nobody is trading 20 to make room or keep room for guys like 6 15 65 44 7. Not paying Strome Leddy Schmaltz money is smart.

  36. 200, good post. I guess if were adding two top 8-10 players it would be worht it because it would really load the young wave with more elite plaeyrs.

  37. Ding ding ding ding ding.

    Winner Winner.

    TIM W.
    April 7, 2020 at 1:37 am
    Strome on the market is not a surprise.He was never the answer.Nice to see the Hawks management open their eyes and move on.Slow and Soft are apt descriptions of his game.I am all for dumping half this roster and ending up with young hungry players with a sprinkle of veteran physicality.This means Smith,Maata,Strome,Shaw,should not be on the roster come training camp.My opinion is that we will not see Seabrook or Dehaan either.I would not roll dice on Crawford staying healthy.Go young on the Goalies also.Lets stop kidding ourselves with these patchwork teams designed to sneak into the 8th spot of the playoffs.

  38. I thought the reason why we got 6 and 44 was because we only had 4 NHL Defensemen the previous 2 yrs. Then we had 6.

    It wasnt to replace a Hammer or the next group of Defensemen to be a top team again.

    Just a chance to play, while were waiting for young core/and adding more top 5 draft to young core.

    Temp ufas.

  39. If Buffalo asking about Strome, maybe bring Mittelstadt back as he fell out of favor there. May make a decent 3C for awhile.

  40. If Strome is traded then once again, Stan is on the wrong side of another trade. Bowman and Ryan Pace must be spooning right now. They continue to save their jobs.

  41. He creates his own Cap hell and then wants fans to feel sorry for him. He needs to go!

    Cut and pasted last sentence of Hull’s post. That’s it.

    Good healthy day to all.

  42. I have read most of these comments, and I have to say there are some great posts here and very astute.

    I think we are all in agreement that Strome needs to a.) lower his asking price in terms of dollars and years to stay here, or b.) get moved at the draft. This poses another set of questions. a.) Who is going to give Strome the type of contract that he is seeking and b.) who is going to pay the Hawks what they are going to be asking in return? I think being a RFA on the trade market diminishes his value. At best, I think we can get a 2nd rounder for Strome and his contract off the books.

    In regards to Saad, I would personally love to keep him. But, I know that his $6M/yr contract is up after next year, and realistically, he will want a raise with at least 5 years. I don’t think the Hawks will want to keep him at that price. I think he will be moved at the draft, and he is the type of player that coupled with our own pick could get us in the 5-8 range. No one is trading a top-5 pick! Their fan-base will destroy them. So, we will be in that range, and I think it would be dumb to move up one or two spots while giving up Saad. I think Stan will trade Saad for a solid prospect and a lower 1st round pick. Maybe, even back to Columbus. They are loaded with young talent, and need a young veteran leader who is accustomed to that team structure and culture.

    Of all the guys that finished the season on IR or have a significant cap hit, I can see Maata getting moved if we sign Mitchell. I personally think that Mitchell will sign elsewhere. No one is taking Seabrook’s contract off our hands, and he will finally be healthy, who knows he might still have some game. DeHaan is coming off a shoulder, and that injury is quirky and easily reoccurs if it happens again, so no one is taking that risk of trading for DeHaan. It takes a couple of years for a shoulder to stabilize without getting re-injured. Let’s hope both DeHaan and Seabrook come back stronger, and join Keith, Boqvist, Murphy, Beaudin, and Carlsson to make a formidable back line.

  43. Strome has excellent hands and vision and does good things with the puck in the offensive end, but those things aside nothing stands out about him and as everyone knows his skating is below average. As well, as posted above there is no way he is a #2C on a contending team. Sell.

  44. Mitchell has stated clearly that he has been treated well by the org and intends to sign. He is hungry to turn pro and I doubt he waits another year. I will own it if I am wrong, but I give no credence to the idea that he will sign elsewhere. Just more fake news as far as I’m concerned.

  45. Jordy agree Mitchell is signing with Blackhawks. However if the organization wants him to go to Rfd next season to adapt his game, could see him return to Denver and try and win a national title if that looks like a possibility. Unless he is able to burn a year on his elc this season, 3 year wait either way if not for elc to expire, definitely signs. Possible too Bowman wants to wait too and offer to burn a year in lieu of bonuses and going back to Denver not the issue at all. Cap friendly shows 3.78m in bonuses already on books for next season that trade off would be good for both sides.

  46. Thoughts in my head.

    With Seabs blessings what would Seattle take to draft him. What would you give up for Seattle to draft him. Thinking a 3rd round draft pick and Krys or Carlsson.

    Liked the way deHaan played. Let him start the year and play the ways he knows how to play. Positive if the injury happens again he will hang them up. Shaw has had enough hockey. He will and should hang them up and not wait for another concussion.

    If Buffalo does want Strome Mittlestadt would be good. I would ask about Reinhardt first.

    With let’s say Seab’s and Shaw’s money gone I would make an offer to Roope Hintz 3yr 4mil, and offer Toffoli 3yr 5.5/6mil

    Try to get rid of Smith, keep Saad, Carpenter, Nylander.

    Still need to address physical presences.

    Saad Toews Kubalik
    Toffoli Dach Kane
    DCat Hintz Nylander
    Kampf Carpenter Highmore

    Boq Keith
    Beaud deHaan
    Maatta Murphy

    Crow

  47. Ian, the idea of Casey Middlestadt is very interesting. Must be something they do in Buffalo but they cant seem to develop players unless they are sure things like Eichel or Dahlin. With them drafting Cozens last year it seems Middlestadt may be expendable to the Sabres. Kid has a boatload of talent, but it scares me that he hasn’t done much of anything with the Sabres. Seems he might have a work ethic problem, and plays with too much finesse and not enough hard work. I think he is kind of like Alex Nylander in the sense that he wasn’t given much of a chance, but also didnt do much to earn it besides having a ton of talent. No disrespect to Nylander, as I think he finished the season relatively well and started producing, but taking on another risk like that doesn’t sound too appealing.

    However I guess if your trading Strome for a draft pick or packaging him to move up, you are still taking a risk on that player. But can Middlestadt be a solid 3C and maybe even a 2C once Toews falls off more.

    Also, if Saad doesn’t play in the blackhawks top 6 and producing 50-60 points he is immediately not worth his contract. If your top 2 left wingers are Kubalik and DCat, I dont know why Saad shouldn’t be moved. He got himself a good amount of value with his decent season last year, and Im sure a team between 15-25 might wanna make a deal with their pick at the draft, or he could be used to move up and get a guy Bowman likes (if we trust him to draft well). I just dont see where Saad fits in this top 6.

  48. Note: before my comment, I want to remind everyone that I’ve been critical of Bowman. And supported him. In different arguments.

    The people who are saying “He creates his own Cap hell and then wants fans to feel sorry for him.” are, usually, the same people who:

    Bitch about Dollar Bill letting stars leave in the 90s
    Give Tallon credit for drafting all of these guys (which isn’t true)
    Bash Bowman for overpaying his entire core (which is only true of Seabrook)

    The Blackhawks need to find players who fit the system they’re going to play. The problem with that is Jeremy Colliton has yet to show that he can consistently commit to a system for players to work in. Rock: meet hard place. Shit coach trying to babysit a veteran lineup that has defined roles and is aging and a GM who’s waving his magic wand every summer trying to find talent and force it into working with the veterans he’s got. Alex Nylander: Supremely talented. Doesn’t work here (didn’t in Buffalo, either).

    12 months ago everyone was complaining about the blue line. WE NEED FIXES. So he goes out and gets a GOOD top pair guy in de Haan (who gets hurt), a solid veteran 2nd pair guy (Maatta) who also gets hurt (as does Seabrook). Murphy also spends time on the shelf. Meanwhile you’re still paying Koekkoek (mistake), you bring up Gilbert before Carlsson (mistake) and you never develop a consistent role for your top signed prospect (Boqvist). The blue line was a shit show this year and it’s only going to get worse because Ian Mitchell should be on the NHL ice every night for 18+ minutes and there’s nowhere to put him with the number of other guys signed.

    Hull likes to jump in and second guess when things are terrible. When the Hawks win games his Wifi goes out. The reality is there are glaring issues with the franchise and both the GM & Head Coach need to go before the Hawks enter an important draft. They got it right w/ Dach and they have some really good young pieces coming on the blue line. Now they need to find a couple more contributors to take this dynasty into its second act – before 2, 19 & 88 are done.

  49. Yea I would rather get another top 15 pick for Saad then move up a couple spots. This draft I heard is suppose to be equal quality between 3-10/12 area pick. Which means other then position were going to get an equal value quality player at 11 th pick as we will at 5 th pick, per say.

    I would trade Saad and Strome/other/whatever it takes to get another top 15 pick. That way we have two. Prob 1 or 2 spots between 4-15 will get top 3 lottery. So lets get 2 in there.

  50. Even though I would normally keep 20, by doing that Saad Strome trade, we can add a top prospect or 1st pick and then go get another Saad type players ufa. Were going to need players like him to complete the quality HHNL deep roster and they are going to be similiar caphits of 6m for yrs at 27 old/er.

    This way we get both, a top prospect/pick and another player like 20 later-whne we have more space to use.

  51. Tab agree with mostly all of what you said but unfortunately with the bar falling from unacceptable and be accountablity for medoiocre teams, to it’s ok they will figure it out, seems to say no Coach or Gm changes coming anytime soon.

    Also think after the dust on his signing settles, Mitchell if he is ready and an immediate upgrade he will play and minutes will come as responsibilty imcreases. Just hope the moves made this summer or after whenever they finish the season are positive, as should be some opportunity to help the roster long term as teams scramble, as well as future with picks.

  52. I am not a fan of Mittelstadt. Like Strome, he is not a good skater. In today’s NHL it is nearly impossible for a forward to overcome this weakness. Would rather find someone with more grit that has good wheels.

  53. Hawks are turning into the Redwings when the team got old and they refused to filter the roster. Always trade a year to soon than a year to late. Unload money where you can and don’t overpay especially with Crawford with his age and health issues.

  54. I wouldn’t say the draft is even from 3-12. There’s definitely a big difference between Stutzle (the consensus 3rd overall pick and even challenging for 2nd) and a guy like Jack Quinn or Dylan Holloway who are projected around 9-12. Also the goalie Askarov could be a good pick if we are able to get another pick between 7-12 as we could take a good forward and pick up a future franchise goalie whos looking like arguably the best goalie prospect since Price. If we can package Saad and Strome for another pick between 7-12 and keep our own pick in that range, it would be nice to pick up a future goal scorer to play alongside Dach as well as maybe the goalie or another elite forward. The best goal scorers in the whole draft, Holtz and Quinn, are both projected between 7-12. Picking one of those two, the goalie, or any of the other forward options bring a lot more value to the organization than a center who wants to get paid too much and a decent winger who is just payed too much for the role he will play.

    Just my opinions on all this. Obviously there are endless options, but packaging Strome and Saad for a early/mid first rounder could be nice. If all you can get for them is a pick in the teens, there are still a good crop of forwards and some defenseman that could be worth that trade.

    As for the clogged up D pipe line, Stan made too many reactionary signings and theres nothing he can really do about it now. I dont know what he could do with 7,6, and 5 but I dont think they fit in the future of this team. 27, 2, Beaudin, Mitchell, 44, and whatever prospect proves themselves could make up an ideal DCore in 2 years.

  55. I was going by what others have said on draft. Your right.

    I like getting another ?-15th pick for Saad Strome in addition to our top 10 pick.

    Wouls be good with goalie if we have 2 top 15 picks.

  56. 6 can be buyout for a low amount if we, really, need to. Otherwise I would just let these ‘temp’ ufas contracts run out on own.

  57. Blue line will get cleaned up this offseason. Koekkoek not qualified. Maatta will have trade value, but worst comes to worst a buy out can happen with about $600k in dead money per year the next 2 seasons. Murphy will have trade value if they go that route.
    The big question mark or wild card is a compliance buy out which would be seabs.
    Can’t count of de Hann unfortunately because he’s a good player.

  58. Also take this for what it’s worth
    Max Shalunov agent has said a deal is in the works between the hawks and max. So we will see if he finally comes on over.

  59. MRFENN92, that’s not surprising, Khl salary cap set at 15m for next season, long list of ufas looking to come over. Shalunov’s agent posted on twitter 3 hours ago that he intends on playing hockey in North America next season. Could fill a 3rd line wing or center role if it works out. Be a one year elc then an ufa next summer.

  60. @Ian

    Agreed bottom 6, anything more would be gravy,

    @BBB

    No just the next 2 seasons. Maatta would be a under the age of 25 buyout.
    Look up Simon Despres buyout by Anaheim a few years back.

  61. 200foot

    agree with you on 7-6-5.

    anointing 27, beaudin, mitchell, & 44 as members of an ideal d-core is asking for everything to fall into place perfectly. that rarely happens.

    a big ask for 44 to stay healthy. who is going to cover for the size and defensive deficiencies of 27 and beaudin. mitchell hasn’t played a minute of professional hockey. 2 has lost a few steps and that isn’t going to get better.

    not saying i wouldn’t love to see that come true, but this is the way i look at it.

    next year

    1) 44 plays soft to protect his shoulder or plays tough and has another season ending injury.
    2) beaudin can’t compete at his size and spends the year in the ahl.
    3) keith loses another step.,….or two.
    4) 27 is better, but without a hjalmarsson type to pair with and cover for him he costs the hawks as much on the defensive end as he helps on offense.
    5) mitchell – no idea, but hope for the best.

    i want to be excited for these young guys, but no pie in the sky for me. i will believe it when i see it.

  62. When we have a good young core, then top ufa players will want to come here again. What the young players donot fill in the lineup as, we ll add ufa wise then.

    Just start filling in the spots, as these young players get established. Not putting pressure on any to be what they are not.

    Even in 2011 when 19 88 2 other were that young, we still wernt good when we didnt have 4 lines to roll. Once we have that again, it makes a big difference.

    Not banking on anything or thinking its impossible. Fact is we have several good young players coming and they are going to be good and really good.

    I like loading up the young wave ideas with trading players like 20 17 other.

  63. Shalunov scored 25 points last year with CSKA Moscow. He has been trending down the last couple of years. By comparison, Linden Vey (remember him) scored 48 points on the same team. Kube, Saad, and Debrincat would all be ahead of this guy, so maybe he is worth a look but he is 27 already so not much of a window left for him.

  64. Jordy be a one year deal, so even if he comes and has good year to get next contract as happens often, then moves on be worth a 1 year elc salary/caphit.

  65. We should take a pic of team speed and size from 2 yrs ago and in 2 yrs from now. Going to be night and day.

    Dach
    Shalunov
    Enwistle
    Teply
    Barratt

  66. DeHaan was damaged goods and was not a good signing,especially if anyone expected him to be a top pairing D-Man.He is on major shoulder surgery #5 after simply falling down.Maata could not crack the top 6 at the end of his time with the Penguins.Ian Mitchell,s last interview in the Denver Post did not have him expressing that he was anxious to get to the NHL and sign with the Hawks.He stated that he loved Denver and wished he could play there forever with his best friends.With the Hawks crowded Blue Line,especially if DeHaan and Seabrook come back,I would bet on him going back to Denver for another year and seriously looking at Toronto as a landing spot.

  67. The two defenseman battling for the Calder are both under 6 ft. Both are good in their own zones and make impacts all over the ice. Makar plays with Erik Johnson, and Hughes plays with Chris Tanev, both their partners are average defenseman. I dont understand the lack of confidence that Boqvist and Beaudin cant defend. I understand that size helps, and is important to mix in (thats why the giants like Regula and Vlasic are going to be important to develop well), but just because your not big doesn’t mean you cant be solid defensively. Mitchell is already super solid defensively in the NCAA which Im confident he can transfer well into the NHL. But to write off Boqvist and Beaudin as defensively deficient when Boqvist was a -3 on a bad team and Beaudin hasn’t even gotten the chance to prove he can defend well with his skating.

    Hell the Bruins had two defenseman under 5’8” and they made it to the SCF, with big guys like Carlo and Chara. Even McAvoy is only 5’11”. The NHL is changing, and our young defenseman, hopefully, are going to learn to defend well with their sticks and skating (like Keith).

    It just seems ignorant to me to write off the defensive abilities of our young defenseman just because they are small, doesn’t mean they cant defend with their elite skating and good stick work and postitioning.

    And ya I understand there are situations when you cant beat size, but size doesn’t mean you cant be a good, even great defenseman without being a 6’2” monster.

  68. @200Foot – well said re: D men and the Bruins is a good comp because everyone uses the B’s as a measuring stick for grittiness and yet 3 of their 6 D are undersized –
    Boquist is bigger than McAvoy FWIW by an inch

    Although Boquist needs to get stronger and he will, I think his ability to read plays defensively and his subsequent judgements have improved quite significantly in just the half season he played

    I have beat this drum for a while but but I think 27 will soon be an above average defender to go with being a great offensive driver

    Unfortunately we only saw Beaudin for 1 game but I liked what I saw – however not going to make any predictions for him but am cautiously optimistic

    Same goes for Mitchell

  69. TimW a 21 year old saying he wishes he could stay with his friends in university forever, sounds to me like somebody reflectimg back knowing his time there is ending. His comments on national title we are not sure if it meant next season or this one, but considering the time frame when they were made could have and maybe quite likely did refer to going back and finish this season first before thimking about anything else, really a standard response if that was the case. He has said on different occasions he is signing with Blackhawks, so really that’s all we have to go on.

    The fact we are not hearing he isn’t signing, with no games being played i’m sure he gets asked plenty, quite possibly means they are waiting for something first before they do, part of the negotiations. The same thing was said about Sikura for a year, he said he was signing and he did, Hayden too. Hayes to my knowledge never indicated he was signing at any point and didn’t. So until i see different, have to assume he is coming.

  70. mrfenn92

    i might be reading this wrong, but i just went on spotrac.com and clicked the buyout button for maatta. it seems to me the hawks would be on the hook for a $680 thousand cap hit for the next five years.

    if you have time check it out and see if i am reading that right.

  71. BBB buyouts are paid out over twice remaining time left on contract. If 2 years left on deal payout and caphit calculated over 4 years. I mentioned that in earlier post above an extra year added on for each year of contract. $680,000 not exactly a bank breaker, pretty small price to pay.

  72. @ 200 @ wrap

    the two d-men competing for the calder being smaller players is not logical justification for 27 and beaudin eventually being top four d-men for the hawks. no one said smaller d-men can’t compete in the nhl, but because others do so, it does not logically follow that 27 and beaudin will. certainly they might, but you speak as though it is a fait accompli that will happen for both players and there is no basis for that. what there is a basis for is that players of their size have a more difficult time being impact players in a tough man’s league.

    i don’t feel anyone should condemn any of the prospects. i am just not about to project them out as players being capable of a level of play commiserate with what is necessary to play in a top four of a team that can compete for the cup.

    to expect boqvist, beaudin, mitchell, vlasic, and regula all to be hawks one day is really shooting for the moon. truly if two of them become top four d-men that would be a huge win. and let’s not forget who drafted four of those guys. the nhl isn’t littered with top four d-men drafted by bowman.

  73. bye bye bowman, I never said that Beaudin Boqvist etc will be as good as Makar and Hughes. It’s simply a mold that shows that undersized defenseman can be competent in the defensive zone if not elite. And I dont expect every prospect in the system to plan out. I mentioned Vlasic and Regula as it shows the Bowman seems to understand that you need a mix of skill and size on your blue line. I also dont see why we cant project those 2 as a competitive top 4, as I just said, theres no reason that 27 and Beaudin cant reach the potential they were projected too have.

    Personally I share the viewpoint a lot of people have on Boqvist. Could be competent defensively while putting up 60 points and being an elite offensive threat. Beaudin was projected as a smart offensively minded top 4 dman, and hes gonna have to earn his spot but him and Boqvist have a lot of promise in the future. As for your comment on projecting those 2 in a competitive top 2, just look at the Bruins (again)

  74. We should only buyout 6 if we, really, need to to add a good player/or raise. Could just let him contract/and other run out on there own.

    When we need room, yes do it.

    Its kind of funny because in a couple yrs were going to have like 40 m in cap space to use. Which we ll use right up but thats when its important to, get it right and not have any waste.

  75. I have no crystal ball, I would say Boq and Mitch are locks as top 4.

    The others, some could be good. So I am looking and expecting us to have a better then, huge win, with the Defensemen.

    Which means we still need to add ufa/trade wise to get the group complete.

  76. Well I donot want to keep 6 for 4 yrs, so what would his caphit be if we buyout his contract in 1 yr from now? ,680 for 2 yrs.

    I would rather do that, if we need it by then.

  77. Not routing for it, I am with they guy who said 7 and 44 will not be playing, to start and maybe not again. So we ltir those caphits and have that space-temp wise.

    Plus someone here said 6 has, some, trade value in at least to trade without anything going with, so can just trade him to a team that needs bodys, as a option.

  78. when it is all said and done i am looking for a younger team that looks like there is a future ahead of it. i am tired of the stop gap approach. i want to see the hawks fill the roster with players who have upside ahead of them and who project to be blackhawks five years out. no more shaws, maattas, de haans, smiths, carpenters or the like. no more reclamation failed first round draft choices. a younger roster with several players on elcs, which would free up cap space for key additions.

  79. Thats what I want to man. Tim has said that since awhile, get rid of those plaeyrs and keep bringing in the good young players and get some good ufas to complete roster later.

    I know people disagree on some players, thats fine. Overall keep developing and aquiring young players and whosever good keep.

    For now see who can play and who cant, keep and trade accordingly.

  80. While were doing that, every top 5 skill draft player we get, the better.

    Need to get better as we go along, cant spin tires in mud with 7 top 10 picks like EDM for 5 yrs.

    Batman had Robin.
    Dach needs his Robin.

  81. Well said Stape007…and add 5 million given to a backup goalie for only 1 season anyway, which means when you trade him, you will get nothing in return because he is a free agent! Dumb and Dumber! That’s what Stan is.

    I was happy to see Kahun, another smurf who lived off Toews on a 1st line of all things! Too small, average skater!

    More importantly, no foresight, no vision by Bowman and that has been obvious from day one. Now, after getting rid of a talented playing making center, who skates like the wind in Nick Schmaltz, for Strome a slow skating weak 6’3″ center who plays well only with Dcat, once again that trade destroys any depth and they are not closer to making the playoffs next year for 19, 88, 2, 7, 50! If he trades Strom now, his valus low as it is, he will get nothing in return and you will see Kane and Toews wonder why they are even showing up for camp!
    Bowman is destroying any opportunity for Kane and Toews to return for one more shot at the CUP.

  82. I rebuild… now. I get rid of Saad ( way overpaid), Hope Shaw retires for his family and himself, cut – trade Koekkoek, DeHaan, Maatta, keep Strome for cheap on 1-2 bridge ( or if he’s asking too much, pair him with Saad for Cozens or pick as noted above). Caggiula- I’d keep but what line ?Every line needs a mucker grit guy. My post above is rebuild. We need Gilbert & another Gilbert type on D to protect Boq, Beaudin & Mitchell. We need 2 half as good Shanahan- Roenick types at forward to protect & grit… then play the young guys . No more Bownhead cut & paste & Horrible cap – contract deals. Even Cat overpaid & I love the cat. If Strome-Cat on 3rd line get a grit guy mucker, I believe their magic returns.

  83. P.S.-the damage done by Bownhead with trades, contract amounts & length of years just too much to overcome. That’s why my lines reflect a total rebuild.

  84. Hull-losing Kahun was oK, but he isn’t an average skater-it’s his best asset and above average. Do you actually watch?

  85. If possible would like everyone to use players names when saying to get some UFAs. Also when one sez get players with “upside”. We see what players Bowman thinks have upside because he gets them. I want to see which players Bye Bye Bowman thinks have upside. Even H65 puts names out there. Most not good ones but he puts a name on them.

    One reason is that it gives us something to do to look them up. Check his stats, maybe look up some video if he has any. We have time now.

    Names that I’ve thrown around were Lenher when he was in Buffalo as a fa. Someone said I was dumb. Well we could have used a Veizna finalist that year. Did mention Skinner. Glad we didn’t get him for that $$. Would take Lucic and Subban for 1/2 the money.

    The names I like now are Lowery, Lemieux, Manson, Reinhardt, Bennett, Hintz, Toffoli, Hall etc. Of course how to get them and how to make them fit would be a nice read.

    Ok off the soap box.

  86. JR good post, the reason i didn’t want Lehner 2 summers ago was because Crawford wasn’t going to be ready to start season. Lehner at that point was getting his life back together and was unknown where he was at mentally to play hockey, hence signing with Isles for low caphit. Ward made more sense at the time, yes hindsight showed Lehner would’ve worked out but imagine what the posts woulda been if Bowman took the risk and he relapsed.

    Lucic is little more than dead money, wouldn’t take him muscle can found cheaper, with more hockey to give. Subban for half price, add a good defenseman for a year at a decent price but is next year a compete year realistically. Hall probably wants a contender and Pietrangelo probably want long term or very short, maybe 1 year to let cap go up and cash in. Pietrangelo will be heading for 31 by start of next year and neither to me a real good fit for price.

    Of your list Lowry still under contract next year and Manson for 2 more years so be trades or wait until then. Lemieux, Bennett and Hintz are rfas so be trades, which if bringing cap in you trade away room you need. Qualifying offers are seldom used, what you give up in picks has to be considered and also got to be 100% sure who your qualifying wants to sign or you could lose picks for a player who won’t sign.
    Toffoli would be terrific addition, actually when people were suggesting moving Saad to get a good pick. Signing Toffoli with Saads cap space to replace him, plus having another pick was something i liked the idea of.

    If making a trade, i said before Tampa in cap hell with Sergachev needed signed i would be all over that seeing what could happen there. Moving Strome and not having to extend him should be close to what he would need. Plus Maatta and Smith probably expendable. Hamonic as ufa is a player i would look at too if Sergachev doesn’t work. If either of those 2 were signed, would not be averse to moving Murphy as one them with Keith, Boqvist and Mitchell can be top 4, Dehaan and Seabrook and Ahlers behind them. Obviously in a year more changes be coming too, your top picks this year, whoever steps up this year from the young players and unknown yet.

  87. Toffoli would be terrific addition, actually when people were suggesting moving Saad to get a good pick. Signing Toffoli with Saads cap space to replace him, plus having another pick was something i liked the idea of.

    This is what I was thinking when I said that, of trade Saad and add another 20 type and we get both.

    That is being creative and what Bowman must do.

  88. @ jr roman

    i am a blackhawks fan. i don’t watch other teams and i am not versed on what players are available around the league, which is why i don’t offer names. i am a theory of operation guy. i believe a gm should have a player procurement theory and stick to it.

    some of my thoughts

    1) build through the draft, european and nhl free agents, and trades for players who can be expected to improve (shaw-de haan-maatta-carpenter not those guys)
    2) have a rigid salary cap approach and pass on players who don’t fit within the parameters
    3) don’t trade for players who have failed for several years in another system
    4) never make moves to slide into the playoffs for one year
    5) don’t trade for often injured players
    6) don’t acquire players who are poor skaters
    7) unless a player is a top end scorer, never acquire a player who doesn’t get back on defense
    8) no nmc or ntc contracts
    9) do not be afraid to move players who are fan favorites
    10) in a new contract pay for anticipated performance. NEVER reward a player for past performances (bickell, kruger, seabrook) in terms of dollars or length of contract

    tallon might not be deserving of being credited with building the entire core, but bowman certainly didn’t. he has been a patchwork gm. full credit for doing enough to win the last two cups, but that same guy has failed miserably with his band aid approach the last five years. bowman’s plan for this team appears to be find a way into the playoffs next year. “one goal” once was to win the cup. it now is slide into the playoffs no matter how adversely the transactions to attain that goal negatively affect the long term.

  89. JR ROMAN-Just off the top of my, head along with being realistically available, I would go hard after Evgeni Dadanov-Florida Panthers,Roope Hintz-Dallas Stars,Matt Martin-NY Islanders,Sam Bennett-Calgary Flames,Anthony Mantha-Detroit Redwings,and Craig Smith-Nashville Predators at Forwards.Mikhail Sergachev-Tampa bay Lightning,Torrey Krug-Boston Bruins at Defense.Anton Khudobin-Dallas Stars at Goalie.A couple of players off that list along with dumping some non productive dead weight off the current team and this would be a very interesting team to watch next season.

  90. I donot know every player in the league as well, I do like to look them up and see what they are good at and how they fit on the Blackhawks lines.

    So I like the names being listed.

    Thing is to when people are ripping on Blackhakws players or Bowmans bad moves, hes made lots of good moves to, thats when there is no names being listed in ‘who’ is better or contract/age. It makes it seem like there is no faith then.

    Ive seen enough bad turn into good. You have to have faith. or it will stay bad.

    Everybody knows who we need to not keep, temp ufas and others, trade and what we need to add. For the most part. Everybody has there own way of doing that.

  91. Now, if, Bowman/new gm dosnt get rid of the players we know we need to and make these moves.

    Then I will be as pissed as anyone else already is and feel like there is no hope for 19 88 2.

    There should be no reason other then sabotage if we donot make these moves/adjust adapt accordingly the next 24 mths and 3 summers. by then we should be a top team again because we have the young pieces.

  92. With cap staying at home/20s cap, wonder what top 10 teams will benefit as some are at the cap and some have elc players and low hit players that they can get away with/get more out of, in a good system.

    Some of the top 10 teams are only top teams because they have lots of prime of prime yr players and/or really deep.

    They will no longer have that anymore. Then we ll see how good they really are.

  93. Mo yes that’s what i’m getting on blueline too, move Murphy and get a top 4 guy by ufa or trade, plus get some possible future pieces too. There will be teams that want to be contenders next seasoon who are strapped to keep roster together and may have expansion draft issues, that will need a trading partner. Either to move a caphit or to pick up some Nhl ready players on cheap, not being able to be ufa players this off season. There almost certainly ltir available to start season and possibility of shoryt off season, moving somebody during season will likely be more attractive next year, if you carry some extra cap for a couple months that way.

  94. BBB – “no nmc or ntc” – sounds great but you will end up with a nice AHL team. It is an unfortunate fact of life that this is a requirement for most top players. Also you call out SB for five years of failure. In 2016 the Hawks had 103 points, in 2017 109 points which led the conference. At some point failure has to be owned by players and coaches as well. I’m not buyin that a teams failure in the playoffs after proving they are one of the better teams during the season is all on the GM. Believe me I am not an apologist for SB but hanging the last 5 years on him is over the top IMO. After the playoff debacle against Nashville I will agree that the approach has not worked. My problem is that I don’t see what the big picture is. I don’t feel the organization has a clear identity which is why I am in favor of a change.

  95. Without identity, at least that we cant see yet, it is a good a time as any to reload by being creative like that. Trade 20 and 5 and other get free 1sts or top prospects and just add other ufa of same style. Get both.

    We are acculminating top 5 skill draft players. One of is going to be a super star, not just elite. Keep doing that. If were not top 10 team, keep adding these elite draft players. Its the best thing for us and for 19 88 2.

    Then the system and/or gm and/or other org will have to change because these top 5 skill draft players will take over. They are going to be that good.

    This is where the elite players come from. Keep getting moar.

  96. Hey 40/50 and getting 5 good ufa players to have a full roster for first time in 4 yrs, didnt work because of season ending-out for yr unjuries and we were trying a system that didnt do good enough. It wasnt just one thing.

    Point is, we tried it, it didnt work, fine. Then this is the time to reload these ways were talking. Make the adjustment Tim/others are saying.

    We can be really good next yr, with those moves and trading away good players to get bigger-upside return for later.

    Whats the best thing for us, players that keep getting better each yr for 7 yrs. Not these guys who have a curve to there prime yrs.

  97. @BBB

    You are correct about maatta’s buyout. It’s $600k each year over the next 4 years.
    My fault.

  98. ms

    point well made on 16 & 17 regular season. the panic transactions after 2017 are certainly on bowman. i understand the approach of wanting to make the playoffs, but when it is within what appears to be a framework of disregard for the long game then it is a failed game plan.

    last off season was a time when there was finally some cap relief and that asshole traded them back into cap hell with the shaw, de haan, and maatta contracts of three years each and totaling over $12 million per year. and add on carpenter for another $1 million a year for three years. two of them were injury prone and one slow footed. the other one was okay, but he took up a roster spot a rookie could have filled and gotten a year’s experience. they all had plateaued as players. no realistic expectations that any of them would improve as players. and of course the reasonable expectation of shaw having another concussion and de haan blowing out a shoulder again happened.

    that isn’t general managing with an eye to the future. and with all that happy horseshit they still didn’t make the playoffs. would anyone disagree that the hawks would be in a better situation today if none of those four players had been acquired? have jokiharju instead of maatta, kahun instead of nylander, koekkoek or gilbert instead of de haan and signing a couple of one year free agents and/or using some rockford players instead of carpenter and shaw. would have a lot more cap space today.

    i don’t care if they are a shit team if they are building with an eye 2/3 years down the road. but when they make transactions to maybe slide into the playoffs with a mediocre team, with no regard for the future, and don’t make the playoffs it is time for new management.

  99. Nothing wrong with 22 at 1 m caphit, hes better then Knutz or Krugs with a hurt wrist.

    The others, yea.

    EVen if we didnt have 40 play really good and 8 score 30 goals in 70 games as a rookie, we still were not picking top 2 picks. I am not sure on this consensus 3rd pick guy-I just donot know enough, but 3-15th pick be pretty similiar this draft because its a deep quality draft. Maybe 10-12 deep quality wise.

    Unless we are picking top 2 picks and cannot get rid of the ‘temp’ ufa caphits, then it didnt matter.

    What matters is doing exactly what we need to now.

    PLus I donot think anyone expected us to play like shit for the first 10-15 games. The system really took a back seat.
    We were thinking, having a better roster, with a good 25-15 2nd 40 games previous yr. Should have resulted way better then it did first 10/15 games then it did

  100. Reguardless though we wernt HHNL quality deep anyways so it sort of didnt make a difference.

    The most important goal was to get another top 5 skill draft player and we might have done it. Could do it again for the 21 draft.

    Those 2 drafts are huge for rebuilding. So when you think about that, we did exactly what we needed to, and that is have a shitty enough of a record to get whats most important, top 5 skill.

  101. Bang on again BBBowman! Only thing is Rockford has had nothing to offer for the last 5 years! So, yeah, I’ve been saying the same thing forever! And he should have used the CAP relief to sign a real free agent or two, NHL proven goal scorers to give Toews and Kane some help! How do you replace Hossa, Sharp and Panarin with what…Sicura, Kahun, and this year Nylander or Cagg? Players with size and speed! And focus on CHL players not USHL/NCAA! Enough! Wait until Mitchell becomes a free agent! What will Mr.Bowman say about that. If he trades Strome now then once again he will have lost another trade. He lost it when he made it and will lose it when he trades him for nothing.

  102. Csrpenter can be waived and sent to Rfd if he clears and caphit gone if he isn’t good enough to make roster. If makes the team that’s a good value contract and means those in Ahl aren’t ready enough yet. Need those type of deals. He came in and not only helped a thin pk corps, he became the top pk guy minutes wise and improved the whole group. Obviously the goalies best pkers and were lights out. Having Maatta stabilize a second pairing of pk defense was a big boost as was Smith giving 5th guy who could step in without a big dropoff but Carpenter made a big difference.

    I wanted to see a new coach behind the bench and new Gm in the booth but that ain’t happening anytime soon. I hope they make the roster stronger and either they can prove us wrong or fail and Wirtz replaces them. No point in respinning the what’s done all the time. Time to move forward, whats done is done and that can’t be changed now.

    As far if Bowman signed a real free agent last spring, who Bobrovsky contract instead of Lehners, no thanks. Panarin at 11.6m, by the time you add replacement salaries, be basically only move made and really would have no flexibility this year then. Duchene would give the haters lots of fodder to post about, so don’t see the logic in that. Imagine the posts if he sat there with 12m in cap space, wouldn’t have flown to well. Glad he didn’t sign any long term deals but got players cheap that can be moved again when necessary, that said still think it’s time for a change.

  103. Of the Rfas on current roster, Cagguila, Kubalik amd Koekkoek are arbitration eligible and Strome isn’t for another yet. May have an impact on signing the , we’ll see.

  104. Well thats it, Bread Man Kahun and James Neal and we would have won the Cup last two yrs in this team system.

    Forget getting top 5 draft picks, that wont make any difference. Trade down and get prime yr players like Neal.

  105. It doesnt matter if Bowman loses another trade or more then one. We need to do what best for roster and Strome isint it. Bottom line.

    Cant start throwing out bad trades/other in the garbage and statr doing what we need to.

  106. Ian, good point even though the pre-injured players got injured again/all of them and the other guys player very well 40 22, and 16/6 to an extent. Everyone of these guys can be moved VERY easily in next 24 mths. There was no risk in having these ‘temp’ ufas for a yr or two while we wait for the real team to come.

    The young wavers is the future and last summer everybody said draft develop, then when ready your ready. Not make room/leave a spot open for prospects who are not ready yet so they can get a yr of experience.

    When you think about it, getting the 5 ufa players we did last summer and this coach-team system, is best thing for the Blackhakws because it is getting the most important thing for the future.

    Its getting us more top 5 skill draft players and ythat is by far the most important-vital in getting back to top 5 team. Not having a good players in ahl. Then your a little too good for your own good.

    It may have not been planed but its the best way when you think about it. Just be friken ready/get your shit together-have a good team sysytem, when the young wave is actually NHL ready.

  107. Stape, a while back you asked “ As a hawks fan what would you do if you were the GM and there was no upper management interference”. My response is based on my business and other non pro sports experience so take it for what it’s worth (probably not much). We arm chair GM’s are all experts, right? Ok owners, here are my terms as GM.
    1. GM has complete control over hockey operations. All decisions involving player personnel, trades, free agent signings, scouting staff, scouting approach & hiring/firing of coaches within the confines of the budget is GM domain without exception. I will succeed or fail on my own accord, no interference from the bean counters, attorneys, marketing staff, owners, media, etc. There must be very clear lines of demarcation between hockey operations and all other organization functions.
    2. Hire a coach with a proven track record and significant experience at the NHL or AHL level. The NHL is not the right venue to learn how to coach.
    3. Synch up on strategy. Whatever “system “ is deployed at the NHL level will be mirrored throughout the organization as much as possible. The AHL strategy must be in synch with the NHL strategy. I’m not sure this is currently the case with Chicago and Rockford. One example is what I listed on my March 31 post; defense first, all forwards must play a 200Ft game as they develop. I don’t want any player ascending to the NHL only to be shocked by a very different style of play.
    4. Build the team to win in the playoffs! Playoff success is different from winning in the regular season. Hawks have been benefiting the past few years from “artificial” points due to silly regular season 3 on 3 overtime and shootout wins. This is not a recipe for playoff success. A team that cannot win consistently 5 on 5 will not succeed in the playoffs.
    5. Sell 1 year too early rather than 1 year too late. When a player outperforms their usual standard, has an out of character boom……..sell high! I would have sold Gustafsen near the 2019 trade deadline. It seemed obvious to me that he would likely never re-produce a 60 point season. He had reached his high water mark and his value would probably never be higher. Instead he was moved a year late for what I would guess to be a much lower return. I understand that the thinking was Gus was needed for the playoff push but in my mind even if the Hawks had made the playoffs a first round exit was most likely. Cup wins = success, first round exits = failure.
    6. Owner controls the budget but as GM I decide how the hockey operations portion of the budget is administered.
    7. Draft and develop, build from within as much as possible. High priced free agents and trade deadline acquisitions should be the exception. Avoid quick fixes for short term results unless the short term results are a legitimate shot at the cup. Hossa is one of the best examples of a free agent acquisition I can think of. Great 2 way player and leader. Did most everything well, a coaches dream. Money well spent .
    8. Mistakes will be made. Once the mistake is known, own up to the mistake, cut loses short and move on.
    9. Goal is to win the cup! I will not sacrifice the future for the prospect of sneaking into that last playoff spot only to get bounced out early. “Get into the playoffs, anything can happen” is not a strategy I typically support. I suppose if every team was mediocre then the “anything can happen” philosophy might make sense. Rarely are all teams on the same level despite the salary cap.
    10. Focus on long term results over short term quick fixes. What’s the game plan for then ext 3 to 5 years?
    11. Ignore the media! Sadly most have no clue.
    12. Don’t get emotionally attached to any players.
    13. Don’t pay for past results. Contracts must be based on future expectations. Cruel reality in professional sports…… athletes age and lose their effectiveness over time.
    14. Don’t allow emotional fans to influence the decision making process.
    15. Hire an expert in contract negotiations and Cap management.
    16. Avoid long term contracts (over 3 years) for any player over 30. Ideally never sign anyone to a no trade deal.
    17. Last but not least, draft only superstars! Ha ha he he ho ho. All joking aside………I would seek players that a) play a solid 2 way game, b) work hard every shift , c) not mistake prone, d) always in position, e) have had strong coaching, f) are willing to go into the corners, g)are willing to take a hit and dish out a hit, h) are unselfish, i) great hockey sense. Find players with a number of those qualities and success will be had. Give me all the Steve Larmers & Troy Murray’s & Chris Chelios’s that can be found. Let their attitude and work ethic spread throughout the team and we’ll win! No problem, right?

    The above is mostly wishful thinking as I doubt there’s many owners who’s ego or revenue requirements would allow this much power in the hands of 1 person. Conflicting goals may not allow it. The owner may insist on a playoff appearance to generate more revenue and promote the season ticket sales. The GM should have a longer term approach in my opinion.

  108. Watching Team Canada vs Russians junior 2006 tournament.
    Toews, Bolland, Barker, Blunden, & Bertram. Wow, when was the last time Stan Bowman had 5 drafted players on one Narional team in a tournament?
    Answer? NEVER!

  109. All star roster Q didn’t like:

    Morin-Pirri-J. Hayes

    Leddy-Kempny

    Raanta

    Moral to the story: Q brilliant at filtering out forwards than D-men.

    *although to Bye Bye’s point, a now mature Pirri almost a decade later @ minimum salary $750k as a free agent last summer would have been a far better acquisition than terrible cap hit/injury prone Shaw. In addition, Karlsson in handful of games & Beudin in one game same premise than trading for duplicative and expensive Maata & DeHaan. Throw in the cherry on top — a spoiled one at that — w/ the green coach and this is the Hawks stand (nowhere) thanks to Bowman.

    Good health to all.

  110. @Hull65

    Barker, blunden and Bertram sucked. Your boy stan turned tallons mistake at number 3 into leddy.
    Great analysis as always.

  111. P.S. Something fishy going on re: McDonough & Bowman b/c Rocky is no fool and for him to keep the three clowns all employed across the board (@ least fire Colliton and retain a respected, intelligent coach like Gallant) and that would be stomachable, even if that means another year of Bowman evading the media, or lying to them when he does speak. The softball, sissy Hawks beat writers at that.

  112. Come on Iceman,you mean to tell me that you’re not a fan of the Mark Lazerus/Scott Powers cutting edge/probing interviews that reveal nothing?I like Gallant.At the end of his time with the Golden Knights you could tell he was getting tired of the Vegas Circus atmosphere around the team.The guy just wants to coach disciplined high effort hockey.

  113. Watching Team Canada vs Russians junior 2006 tournament.
    Toews, Bolland, Barker, Blunden, & Bertram. Wow, when was the last time Stan Bowman had 5 drafted players on one Narional team in a tournament?
    Answer? NEVER!

    Good question, I donot know, but when was the last time, any
    gm had that many. Or how many times has that been done.
    Since 2000. 20 yrs.

  114. Gallant can be good.

    You know who is a good reporter. The sizzling slinda sister Tracy Myers.
    He lover her.

  115. @ tim w

    so done with lazerus and powers. long, boring articles that say nothing. ask no questions. beat writer articles with too much verbiage saying nothing. the beat writers have to curry favor and be gentle. those two clowns were supposed to be better than that.

    and lazerus’ book was banal.

    much more interesting hawks reading in the comments section of committedindians.com.

  116. Huge thank you to NBCSPORTS for replaying the Hawks 2010 champion playoff run. Watched the Duncan Teeth game last night, we may never see Hockey like that in Chicago again.

  117. @ iceman

    have to disagree with you on rocky. since he appointed mc donough i don’t think he has done one right thing.

    mc donough was a brilliant move because the front office was a shambles and mc donough gets high marks for making it a first class operation. but there are tens of thousands of americans who know nothing (which is what mc donough knows) about hockey who know how to manage an organization and establish a corporate flow chart. mc donough is nothing more than a operations manager and seat salesman and rocky let him become involved with and influence player decisions. it is not like mc donough brought any knowledge of the game of hockey to the table.

    there was a perfect storm waiting for mc donough. toews and kane were in place and the team was ready to succeed. he was hired as president, the hawks won the cup, and he was promoted to president and ceo. he had nothing to do with building that team and he had NOTHING to do with the rise in attendance.

    anyone who knows anything about the hawks knows there is no need for a fan friendly scoreboard, blaring music at every timeout, an ice crew, or any other of mc donough’s promotions to fill the house to the rafters. a good, hard working, competitive team will fill the place every night. always has, always will.

    the hawks had good teams, but bad playoff performances in 2015-2016 and 2016-2017. the last three years have been abysmal marked by bad player transactions, bad contracts, and rocky allowing mc donough and bowman to fire quenneville as a scapegoat to protect their jobs. quenneville might have his faults, but he is a much better coach than bowman is a gm or mc donough is a hockey executive.

    last off season was a total disaster, which put the hawks back in cap hell and resulted in another failed attempt by bowman to craft a roster to find a way into the playoffs with no eye on the future. if every transaction last off season was reversed the hawks roster would be in much better shape than it is today.

    and how did rocky react? he stuck his head in the sand and gave his blessing for another year of mismanagement by this unqualified duo. it is no longer on mc donough and bowman for being inept. they have proven to be inadequate as hockey executives, but it is rocky who has allowed this nonsense to continue. mc donough and bowman are now to rocky what pulford was to rocky’s old man.

    bad on rocky for allowing this to happen.

  118. Alot of people saying Mitchell is signing, so sounds like a waiting on a decision on the rest of season is what the holdup is. If he gets to burn an elc year somehow and forgo performance bonuses, that would allow Crawford to sign a 35+ deal and take a couple of mil in performance bonuses that wouldn’t show against team caphit. Basically be almost guaranteed to earn them to help team out. Then be more room to sign the rfas. Worst case scenario would be status quo. Ltir room could be used most likely to start year and somebody moved as season progresses if needed. Any other tweaks could still be on the table if that is wgat is planned.

    The idea that clauses limiting player movement go away with Bowman, is a total myth. Go to cap friendly and check it out, most teams have more players with some type of clauses. All the young players Matthews, Marner, Mcdavid, Draisatil, MacKinnon, Eichel on and on have them in theur contracts when they reach ufa status and are allowed to use them. Under cba rfas aren’t eligible for movement clauses, so when they reach ufa status they can kick in. Many teams have alot more some 10 or more players with them. Flyers and Preds only 2 teans i see with less.

  119. Thats what I was thinking on Mitch. Just waiting until season is announced.

    Yea lots of ways to move players caphits, so we can really add-anyone we want. Just be smart and keep it to less yrs for now.

  120. Pat Stapleton was smart, skilled, and disciplined. He played the game it was supposed to be played and was a wonderful Blackhawk. RIP.

    Side note, Bill White was my buddy’s uncle. My buddy said he was a real character. Stapleton and White were a terrific pair.

  121. JordyWhitey and White one the best all time pairs in Blackhawks history, anchored the summit for Canada series of 72. Great memories watching them.

  122. BBB yes Whitey and Bill, that was my own way of referring to them back in the day, just felt good to say it again.

    MRFENN92 saw that, not surprising as Teply is out of Europe and can go to Rfd and not have to return to juniors. He doesn’t turn 19 until next month, so may not get any Nhl time next season or at least first part of it likely.

  123. @Ian

    Rockford or back to Europe if they choose. He’s at least a year away.
    Strome like acceleration. But a good pick for a 4th round selection, very interesting future for him,

  124. The scouts said if he was drafted this year he would be a top 50 pick, that’s how far his development came. Agree likely a year maybe closer to 2 before he sees Nhl.

  125. Teply, that is huge and this guy could be a good player. Top 6 kind of player with physical I heard. No pressure.

    Mitch is next, once league annouces.

    These guys could be good, theres a top 6 FW and a top 4 Defensemen right there. Build from within.

  126. @JR, finally someone sees Reinhart for the stud in the making that he is, the dominant force he was in Junior and really at every level he played. I wanted the Hawks to target him as 1C eventual replacement for Toews but that was before Dach came into the picture and he looks like a superstar in the making so get Reinhart now for cheap for 3C – huge improvement over Strome and when Toews slows down Reinhart will be ready to bum slay as 2C with Dach as 1C or maybe even 1A and 1B if Reinhart really blooms as I think he might. Hintz for 4m a year is a nice pipe dream. Why in the name of the world’s biggest hoax to date Coronavirus would you ever lobby for Lucic at this point in his carreer? Can’t wrap my head around someone being astute enough to realize Reinhart is the gem in Buffalo that should be pursued not Mittlestadt and yet still ask for Lucic but then also still can’t wrap my head around how the majority of the world will wall themselves off a cliff – er into a cave and stay there for as long as 3 time exposed for covering up Cholera outbreaks and/or expired Medical license and/or massively conflict of interest infested talking heads running off grossly inflated models and completely invalid tests not to mention categorically stating they will assume one cause of death right away and then work backwards to disprove or not even test and diagnose and designate by symptoms alone which mimic countless other illnesses, stay in their caves until these subhuman corrupt politcal monsters tell them it’s safe to come out, in the process destroying the livelihoods and lives of honest hard working small businesspeople like many of my friends in the events/entertainment businesses. Mind boggling stuff. Bring back hockey and the rest of society now. Enough of this stupidity. Empty hospitals shown all over by phone cameras, number projections off by orders of magnitude, Birx saying no more flu now, Fauci writing in a medical journal death rate similar to seasonal flus, and now even CNN saying everything likely grossly exaggerated. This is akin to portraying Manning as a Seabs in his prime. Thrilled to see Mitchell sign. Also believe he might be our best new wave D-man and a possible legit 1-2D. Bring back hockey! Rant over. Be well fellow Hawks fans and humans.

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