112 thoughts on “Blackhawks Sign Brian Campbell

  1. Solid addition! Welcome back Soupy!

    Absolutely stupid money getting thrown around today. Its a hard cap and flat cap and 7 yrs for Lucic and Ladd??? 6 years for Lou Eriksson??? This isnt MLB or the NBA unreal!

    Backes going to the Bruin & Okposo rumored to Buffalo

    IMO the absolute best deals where stuck prior to the FA period Stammer @ 8.6, makes Toews and Kane appear over paid, and Ekblad getting an 8 yr deal for 60 million. Ekblad is a top 10 defenseman at 20 yrs old! I might even say he is top 5 right NOW!

  2. Agree about Ekblad for sure. Disagree about Kane. I’d call it a fair deal. He’s the best player in the league and getting paid as such.

  3. Staal to Minnesota
    Perron back to St. Louis (good deal for STL- Backes probably….nope gone to Boston)
    Okposo to Buffalo
    Ladd to the Isles( 500k difference for 7 years, I’d rather have Okposo)
    Backes to Boston ( rather have Eriksson, same aav 1 more year for Eriksson)
    Lucic to Edmonton ( Same hit as Backes and Eriksson 2 more years than Backes)

    Detroit and Toronto- Sitting on their hands.

  4. I’m not going to hate on Kane and Toews for getting paid honestly they deserve every penny but in hindsight had those deals been in the 8-9 million dollar range instead of 10.5 this Hawks team looks COMPLETELY different. At 8.6 Stammer is a good value!

  5. I like the Campbell signing and am glad it’s only a 1 year deal. I wasn’t too hip on the earlier reports that it might be 2 years at $2MM per.

    Meanwhile, St. Louis needs a new captain. Wonder if Brouwer is gone as well. Already got rid of Elliott in favor of Allen.

    Steve Ott is a punk.

  6. Regarding Ekblad, The panthers could have forced the issue as they control his rights. They chose to forego a bridge and pay more than they have to early on pre-age 25. And pay less post 25. If I’m a player all about money I do what I need to as far as term to get to UFA status asap.

    Also, with the tax situation the way it is in Florida. Stamkos essentially pockets the same money as if he’d sign for 12 million. That could also be a selling point for Ekblad as well.

  7. SOUTHSIDEHAWKSMAN
    July 1, 2016 at 11:43 am
    I’m not going to hate on Kane and Toews for getting paid honestly they deserve every penny but in hindsight had those deals been in the 8-9 million dollar range instead of 10.5 this Hawks team looks COMPLETELY different. At 8.6 Stammer is a good value!

    You sir, are 100% on the mark.

  8. Can’t keep Ladd, just got a huge long term deal elsewhere, wasn’t overly impressed with his contribution last year myself but I guess I’m in the minority. Oy vey the Toews and Kane salary complaints. Is there a drinking game for that? 3 rings, best player in hockey, and a C who in a down year still wins almost 60% of his faceoffs and is never a defensive liability. Still got his team within 1 goal of another deep playoff run, against a team built to destroy him, with 3.5 D men.

    This is a good signing for this team, what a step up. Still begging for one more solid C, maybe that’s a trade deadline deal. With a summer of extra rest this could be a nice year after all.

  9. Nielsen went to Detoilet.
    Regarding Kane and Toews I think they deserve what they got, but if I was THEM I would have preferred to take say $9M (each) and have the add the saved $3M to getting/keeping depth players around me. I think if I were making $9M / Yr, I’d have enough money and my priorities would lie clearly with WINNING MORE CUPS rather than having to do a lot of tough interviews about why I lost.

  10. (Pete) “Its hard to get excited when the Blackhawks future is now playing for Carolina.” — really? How so…? (Or, was that comedic relief?)

  11. So the Hawks trade away a top talent still on his ELC in order to dump a bad 4M contract in its last year in order to sign a 37 year old on his last legs for 2M? Huh? We are all happy about the three rings but am I really alone as a Hawks fan questioning these moves?

  12. At Stamkos’ current ppg, he is around market value. If it was 8.5 when he was scoring at his old pace, it would be a steal.

    I read an article on TSN that said if Stamkos went to Canada on 10 mil deal, that he would have only took home about 3.9. If he was in tampa, he would take home 5 mil. While Kane and toews got nice contracts and pay days, they take home less than you think.

  13. Not gonna hate….but your gonna bitch about someone signing paper they were offered?

    When the deals were signed the Canadian dollar was on par with USD. For a majority of the year the Canadian dollar was around .7 to USD. That is a huge chunk of change the NHL lost out on and the biggest reason the cap isnt where either party thought it would be.

    When the deals were signed I was hesitant to applaud Stan. My fear was the cap not going up and the thinking that it will. Tab countered with why wouldnt it? New tv deals and new revenue sources. At the time I didn’t have a rebuttal.

    Now, onto Stamkos. Given his history with blood clots and a badly broken leg. He has regressed offensively ever since the broken leg. Now add in Thoracic outlet, which has effectively ended a lot of guys careers and you can see the writing on the wall that this could be a bad deal. Given they will have to sign Kucherov this year. Drouin, Johnson and Palat next year and Hedman just signed for 7.875.

  14. Teuvo is overrated marshmallow that didn’t fit the Blackhawks style of play. Pete can make him out to be anything he wants, but fact is Bowman and Quenneville have moved past Teuvo and he was the perfect trade chip to enable the flushing of the Bickell contract to a team trying to get to the salary cap floor.

    Pete seems to have his own separate scouting assessment of players. Can’t fix stupid. Therefore don’t try.

  15. “If I was them”

    You’d take the money too.

    10.5 per after escrow ( which i heard is 20%) is 8.4 million
    8.4 million after taxes is very roughly 5.04 million.

    5.04 million is great. But it doesnt sound near as good as 10.5. You’re not in their situation. You’re a biased fan. As am I.

  16. Pete – this wasn’t a “trade” of Bickell + Teuvo for Soupy. It was Bickell + Teuvo for Soupy and about 3.5M in extra cap space. It would have been almost impossible for Stan to put together a complete roster without getting rid of Bickell’s contract.

  17. I find this very interesting. So if a fan questions a trade(s) the response is personal insults for not being appreciative of past success? I thought this was an open forum to discuss Blackhawks. So we aren’t allowed to critique and comment on Bowman’s moves?

  18. Stamkos has never done anything meaningful in playoff games…he is not close to being a playoff player like Toews and Kane are. He turned out to be not a big threat against us at all in the finals. In fact he saw reduced ice time. They sent him out for game 7 vs. Pittsburg and fizzled. I think he will regress due to his conditions and the contract will end up being an albatross. Not to mention he ruined Free Agency day by signing with Tampa afterall. I think he should take us all out for dinner, every hockey fan the world over. What a bunch of hooey. Everyone dodged a big mistake and Tampa can keep him until the cows come home.

  19. Jeg, thank you for the civilized response. Wasn’t Bickell at 4M and Teuvo at around 1M. So that is 5M. So you get Campbell at 2M so that saves about 3M. What if you buy out Bickells’s contract? What would the savings have been there? And of course, we have that dead money of 1.25M for Scaduri indirectly from the Sharp deal? Are Hawks fans allowed to question and comment on this stuff? Or are we not allowed because we are being ungrateful after winning 3 Cups. Look I like Bowman, I am happy with most of his moves. I question a few deals and want to talk about them with other Hawks fans. Why can’t that happen without insults?

  20. I agree with you Ernie. There is no way anyone can compare the 19 & 88 contract with Stammer. The contracts were signed in a completely different time and circumstances. I also agree Stammer has had injuries and some serious medical issues and that 8 year deal is risky and I’m sure that came up in the negotiation. Had stamkos signed when he was scoring 50+ Tampa would have been playing 11 or 12 million

  21. Pete, if you look at the other article Tab has posted on Rundblad’s buyout you’ll see I’m critical of that move,

    When you’re blind to Teuvo’s faults and only acknowledge his potential. Yes, I will be critical of you. This is an open forum that Tab has. I’m using that open forum to say your opinion is stupid. When you continually bitch about one thing and not even acknowledge his faults is when I and others call you out.

    Teuvo can not play a cycle game.
    Teuvo can not win draws.
    Teuvo will not go to the front of the net.
    Teuvo will not go into the boards.
    Teuvo has not learned how to play on big ice.

    You have acknowledged that you understand why he had to go, yet continue to bitch that he’s gone. The Hawks have at least one player they think is as good. Now, just because you havent seen him play and don’t have his jersey gives you the right to completely dismiss that?

    I must ask. What do you think the Hawks should have done differently this offseason?

  22. Well Ernie you can call me stupid if you want, but I have been reading this blog and going to games for years and years. And in those many years almost everyone was very excited for Teuvo’s arrival. And the Hawks won a Cup with him and he scored some pretty big goals as I recall. Then all of a sudden at age 21 he is terrible according to you and your other friend. Sorry, but I’m not buying your argument and I don’t like the idea of trading that kind of talent away for a couple of throw away draft picks and getting rid of the last year on Bickell’s contract. Was there another way? Gee I am sure I don’t know because I’m not the GM. So I come to this board to discuss it whether you like it or not.

  23. Pete – Hang in there. Sometimes a post gets put out there and it gets under people’s skin and they respond back pretty harshly. I’ve had it happen to me, and I’ve been on the other end where I’ve dished it out to someone that got under my skin. It’s a little bit too harsh sometimes, but this is a feisty time of year. We’re all pretty passionate about this stuff, and I agree that it should be without insults. I’m as guilty as the next guy. I don’t agree with you on the TT stuff, but you bring up some good points.
    I really like this board. I like the regular posters that come on and stick to their guns. I get lots of interesting viewpoints and also insight into cap stuff etc. that makes the NHL and the Blackhawks more interesting than a lot of other sports organizations. I’m not too crazy about some of the trolls in other threads recently that come on just to criticize everybody on the board. Those folks are missing the point.

    As Always,
    GO BLACKHAWKS!!!!

  24. Pete – I agree that insults aren’t necessary on this board. Especially when they aren’t accompanied by any real substance. It’s the thing about this board that I find most disappointing – all of the attacks on specific posters, which don’t really add to the conversation about the team.

    Regarding a buyout, it would leave $1M against the cap for this year, and another $1.5M for next year. That’s space that will be needed to sign Panarin to a long-term deal, which I think we all can agree is a much higher priority, regardless of your feelings about Teuvo.

    IMO, Panarin’s success made Teuvo expendable. He already is everything and more that we could have hoped Teuvo would develop into.

  25. Pete – NO personal insults. I like Teravainen, but Stan B. moved him for the cap space – and the Bickell mistake is on Stan (and Q…?). I don’t see the future of the team determined by a single transaction, or a few if you want to consider the Sharp trade and necessary follow-up moves (Daley, Scuderi’s cap hit). Again, it could be looked at as “the cost of doing business” – the Hawks made bold moves for what they believed was their best shot at the Cup (unfortunately a short run). Bowman has made mistakes, but I believe overall he’s done a very good job managing the cap. I hope that Panarin’s contract extension for 6 or 7 years is at the top of his list. At the other end, Tom Vanek? No thanks…

  26. By the way, forgive me for going back to St. Louis, but what in the hell are they doing?
    They’re going long term with Jake Allen. Okay, that’s a move precipitated in large part by Elliott saying he doesn’t want to be around if he’s not the number 1 guy. But, they let their Captain go, they let Brouwer go (who really brought them something they needed), and don’t look to be in the running for a big name free agent.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not crying over all of this. Looks like a Division foe is perhaps getting weaker. I’m just trying to figure out what their plan is, especially with this weird Hitchcock/Yoe transition year coming up.

  27. Pete. Ernie is correct you are stupid. TT will NEVER become the future of any hockey team. He’ll never make the all star team. He’ll never even lead his own team in scoring. Vastly over-rated.

  28. A Bickell buyout would have resulted in a 1 million dollar hit this year as well as a 1,5 hit next year.

    The signing sucked when it happened. Many have questioned and acknowledged it. This topic has been talked about, debated, argued at length. They were not willing to carry that next year when Panarin had to be re-signed.

    Scuderi deal, yeah that sucked they had to retain that. But they don’t have to pay the whole deal if he was here.

    It sucks, what can you do? Bitch for a bit. move on. You’re bitching period has long been over.

  29. Unlike some ungrateful posters on here Soupy was willing to take a SIGNIFICANT home town discount to come back here. He appreciates what we’ve done unlike some ungrateful posters. He turned down two higher one year deals: 4M from the Stars and 5M from the Panthers! That’s loyalty and gratitude, something a lot of posters on here lack.

  30. Big Indian- they signed Perron. For a good price. He was awful in Pitt. But Anaheim played his style and he was awesome. You cant sign Backes to that length at that price and not instantly regret it.

    Brouwer brings something. No doubt. 4.5 isnt bad. But I’m not sure I want to pay a 35 yr old Brouwer 4.5 million. Blues want to get younger. It sounds like theyll have Vlad Sobotka back. Why they want to trade Shattenkirk, I have no idea. But it might have to do with the return. As seen by the Hall for Larsson deal.

  31. Rufus pick one name for your posts and stop being such a weasel–you get stuck on the same rant over and over-come up with some new material-
    I’m all for people speaking their mind, but you’re just an annoying insect. Swat!

  32. Ernie, the Blues want to trade Shattenkirk because he’s on an expiring contract that they can’t afford to extend and he occupies a position that has a ton of depth behind him. Makes sense to ask for Hall, etc. if they can pull it off.

  33. I would love it if the Hawks landed a left winger. Someone like Parenteau, Versteeg, Vanek, or Tanguay maybe. If all else fails, a one year deal for Richards would be cool. I can dig this:

    Panarin – Anisimov – Kane
    Schmaltz – Toews – Hossa
    Motte – Richards – Panik
    Desjardins – Kruger – Hartman
    Rasmussen

  34. Even the best GM’s make mistakes. Of course Bowman has been great and I admit at the time I thought they needed Bickell. If people say do I prefer TT or Panarin, I say keep Panarin. However, I think TT will be a star, which is why I am willing to take all this abuse to make my point. My gut tells me there might have been another way, but I can’t prove it so I will let it go. Go Hawks.

  35. Or…

    Panarin – Anisimov – Kane
    Vanek/Steeg/FA LW- Toews – Hossa
    Motte/Schmaltz – Kruger – Panik
    Desjardins – Rasmussen – Hartman
    Hinostroza

  36. The thing about moving the Teuvo and Bickell contracts is that Bickell’s contract had to be moved regardless of what the Hawks ended up doing. The Hawks needed all that cap relief no matter what. If Bickell were bought out instead of being traded, I believe they had to take a 1mil hit this year and a 1.5 mil next year. So 3mil in savings this year doesn’t even cover the overages from last years bonuses and Scuderi’s retained money. And having a 1.5 mil hit next year when trying to sign Panarin doesn’t look all that appealing either. Bickell had to be moved, period.

    As far as losing Teuvo and gaining Campbell think about it like this. With Teuvo most of his upside was unrealized potential. You had a limited view of his skill set with most of his value being unknown/unrealized potential. The risk in keeping him was knowing how much potential was going to be realized and how quickly it would happen. With Campbell you have a known commodity at the end of his career, the unknown is how quickly will his skills decline due to age. Almost the exact opposite scenario. One is a young plant that you are not sure how high it will grow, the other is a full grown tree that you have no idea if it will continue to bear fruit…

    Not sure how much better the Hawks are as a team so far this offseason, but the defense will be a lot better than last year for sure, even if Campbell ends up being in the bottom pair for most of the year (which he probably won’t.)

  37. Teuvo. I liked the Saad deal by Bowman. He asked for too much and Bowman got really good value back. When the Hawks had Panarin, Kane, Tuevo, Keith and Toews on the ice for some power plays that was incredible skill. I still can’t believe they lost to St Louis.

  38. And by the way, if the Hawks had received the #1 pick of Carolina instead of the second and third round picks even if the Hawks had to add something more to get that I would be a lot lot happier. Its the idea of giving up an up and coming star that had been developing in the Hawks system for years in exchange for salary cap space that I absolutely hate. I want players on the upside of their careers with hopes of improving during the season as opposed to players on the way down declining and getting slower etc.

  39. Yes we should not have lost to St. Louis …something was “lacking” in the spirit, maybe the leadership…whatever it was you could sense the “one eye on getting out early”. Team was just tired…I think they could have done San Jose and Pittsburg handily but likely not got past Dallas.

  40. Wow! Still talking about T.T./Bickell…

    What’s next, reminiscing on how the Hawks lost Bobby Hull to the WHA…?

  41. I think Saad is better right now, but TT could be better in the long run. I hate the veteran on his last legs scenario. Hawks have been burned on that one. Prefer hanging on to young talent unless its absolutely impossible to do so. Saad wanted so much Stan had to make a deal and it was a good one. Anisimov ended the discussion about the second line center that was going on for years.

  42. With the Rundblad buyout, the Campbell signing, and with the recent signings of Roszival and Mashinter, does anyone know where the Blackhawks stand in cap dollars right now?

    I’m too lazy to look this up and count it out, so I’m wondering if any of you already know.

  43. Forget the return on Saad. Fantasy land. Both are free agents. Money is a non issue.

    Who would you take? Saad or Teravainen

  44. Its being reported the Campbell dollars have bonus dollars attached. Cap hit of 1.5 with 750k for 10 gp bonus.

    11 forwards-just added Sam Carrick
    8 defenceman
    2 goalies
    overage
    retained

    69.871962 total salary
    3.128038 space remaining
    Motte, Schmaltz, Pokka added and minus Svedberg

    1.103038 in space with a roster of

    ?-Toews- Kane
    Panarin- Anisimov- Schmaltz
    Motte- Kruger- Hossa
    Desjardins-Carrick-Panik
    Rasmussen-Mashinter

    Keith- Seabrook
    Campbell- Hjalmarsson
    Kempny-TVR
    Gustafsson- Pokka

    Crawford- Darling

    24 players so some will be ommitted. But, 1.103038 remaining

  45. money no object – I take Saad 12 times out of 10. There’s a lot to like about Teravainen, but most of it is still labeled “potential.” Saad’s the real deal.

  46. Soupy at $2mm for 1 year is a no brainer. He helps to solidify a defense that needs help.

    When 19 and 88 were in contract talks, Crosby and Malkin set the stage. They are/were at $9.5mm. It was my hope that the city of Chicago itself would have kept them in the $9mm range. I look at it like this, the Jets would of had to pay Toews $25mm a year to compete with all the endorsement dough he and Kane are gonna make over the next 8 years.

    Please stop comparing trades/players using the “if money was no object” mantra.

  47. As I posted in the other Campbell thread – really like the signing and if Kempny is close to what he should be the Hawks will have a very solid d-corps. Potentially one of the best in the league.

    Now, they still have some work to do in the forward lines with only 8 experienced forwards – Toews, Kane, Hossa, Panarin, Anisimov, Kruger, Desjardins and Panik (9 if you count Rasmussen), and it’s unlikely Q will countenance 4 or 5 rookies to fill out the roster. So my guess is Stan finds a couple bargain basement vets to add to the roster before too long.

  48. Tab that question was directed at Pete. He has a love for Teuvo that I don’t understand. He wasn’t really giving me a straight answer, But I completely agree that Teuvo isnt near the player Saad is. 2 years and just 1 draft class difference.

  49. Sorry Mike. Just trying to figure out why Pete is still dwelling on the Teuvo loss. Saad is a much bigger loss IMO.

  50. Well not that exciting of a day. Stamkos ruined it all for us. He should buy dinner for every hockey fan the world over.

  51. Ernie- while Saad is better now, Teuvo could be better in the long run. I chose the word “could” as opposed to will. However, my real point is that the Hawks received good value in return for Saad and I personally thought Saad was pushing the envelope by essentially asking for more money than Duncan Keith makes. So I thought Bowman did a really good job under the circumstances. On Teuvo I feel like we got just skinned alive by Carolina. This trade just happened in the last few weeks, Teuvo was a #1 pick, a top hockey prospect and his career was closely followed by a lot of Hawks fans. I think its entirely appropriate for it to be discussed.

  52. I hear ya Pete. Carolina did ok today …got Stalberg, Andrew Miller, Lee Stepniak….this team is actually really good. TT will do well there.

    Why not Kruger instead of TT in the deal. If you have to toss in a Rundblad so what.
    North of 3 million for Kruger just sticks out like a sore thumb on the salary list.

    Bowman could have used another instead of TT.

  53. Just to clarify… You guys were referring to BRANDON SAAD? Not BENTGRASS SOD? PETE. Pete, Pete Pete. PETE. PETE!!!!!

  54. And I wouldn’t have done the damn deal unless we got Carolina’s number #1 pick. Let Carolina take additional second and third round throw away picks from the Hawks instead of the other way around. All right I’m done with this. Go Hawks.

  55. Sigh. Come on guys. If Carolina would have done the Bickell deal for anyone else not in the top 6 he would have. He’s the only one in the system that made it work. He’s why you got anything back at all. He’s why you didn’t have to take back Rostislav Olesz.

    Teuvo has yet to put it together. I love the kid. Was there for his first game against the Stars. Remember him standing there in warm ups and it was like he was just in awe of everything. Years later he still has those moments where he looks like a rookie. Where he looks like he’s in awe of his environment. But Pete has a gut feeling so he’s gonna be great.

    Pirri
    Clendening
    Dahlbeck
    Morin
    Paliotta

    All guys I thought should not have been traded. I was wrong. One thing the Hawks do well is they don’t fall in love with their prospects. Despite playing 140 NHL games too many people still view Teuvo as a prospect. That’s nearly 2 full seasons worth of NHL games

  56. Pete – I have stated that I had mixed emotions about the Teuvo trade, however it is over the top to say we got skinned alive. If Bickell wasn’t in the mix we likely get a first and third round pick which sounds right to me. The cap forces tough decisions and I’d rather find a way to keep Panarin even if it means losing Teuvo than vice-versa. Unfortunately with the free agent signings today, it’s going to take a lot of bread to sign Bread Man.

  57. All the put downs on Teuvo are quite reminiscent of Crosby handing the Stanley Cup first to DALEY! Be careful of what you mock, …karma, goes around.

    It’s not a comparison of Saad to TT. Saad will never ever see another Stanley Cup, what does he care?..he got his filthy lucre.

  58. Guess what team can afford to bring in more talent since their top player singed a $8.5m deal? Guess what team has to settle for a bunch of 1 year and entry level deals?

  59. Pete, you didn’t ask me, but, “…left Stephen Johns off your list. What is your thought on that one?” — I’m sorry to see him go…I think he will be at least a competent NHL defenseman, probably second pair. I think Stan B. over estimated Sharp’s market value early (at the draft) and refised to adjust his expectations until he ran out of time. That’s only my guess – I don’t know what he was offered in any discussions.

    As for the other guys Ernie mentioned, a lot of players score or are effective in the AHL (or elsewhere) but can’t transition their game into the NHL Paliotta – the jump from collegiate competition to the NHL is greater. (That’s my long-winded Who knows, really?”.)

  60. MS, “Unfortunately with the free agent signings today, it’s going to take a lot of bread to sign Bread Man.” — is the Filip Forsberg 6 years @ $ 6 million a valid comparison or starting point? (…have to ask Panarin’s agent?)

  61. Gravy Train, “Guess what team can afford to bring in more talent since their top player singed a $8.5m deal? Guess what team has to settle for a bunch of 1 year and entry level deals? — Victor Hedman got an 8 year extension @ $7,875,000, Nikita Kucherov (77GP 30G 36A 66PTS last season) will expect a raise from his modest ELC, the same Alex Killorn, (Drouin becomes RFA next year,) and they might want to keep Ben Bishop? So, Tampa Bay may soon also be shopping in the “1 year and entry level deals” section.

  62. From the Chicago Blackhawks’ official website …….

    Stan Bowman on the Campbell signing;
    “This was our priority, clearly. I’m not going to say we won’t sign anyone else, but our main focus was to sign Brian. It’s important to have a strong group on defense. I really like the mixture that we have now. Brian brings so much to the table. His overall game is maybe a bit underrated. He has great mobility, still. He’s always been an offensive player, so he can play on the power play and add offensively. He was relied upon to kill penalties and he can do a lot of things, so that was our priority. I don’t expect us to be adding a player of significance beyond this today. We might look at some other role-type guys. I like our team right now. I think we have a lot of young players knocking at the door and there has to be spots for those guys to play. We’ve got several young players that are going to be fighting for spots. We’re not anointing certain guys on the team, but we probably have six or seven guys that can probably make the team; then it’s up to them to show us who deserves it. We’re going to be talking to some other players, but in terms of adding a high-level player like Brian, that’s not going to happen.”

    Brian Campbell on how he sees his role for this season;
    “As of now, what I think my role is, I think it’s going to be to come in and put up a lot of minutes and be a guy that they can rely on every night. I have a lot left in the tank. I feel great. I felt like I had a pretty good season this past year and over the last number of years. If I’m in a top-four role, great; if I’m not, I accept whatever they give me and I’ll work hard. There’s no ego here for me. It’s about doing what’s best to win.”

  63. Pete, Arch – one of my all time favorite films! In fact, this board sometimes resembles a spaghetti western. The Good, The Bad and The Ugly, indeed! So, the good is Tab (I’m such a sycophantic suck-up) the bad is a Rufus/Wayne toss up, and the ugly…well, since I’ve never seen any of you face to face, I’ll leave that one hanging…high. (Had to).
    Just gotta say, love me some Soupy! Huge boost to our D.

    AND, Seabrook will have a huge bounce back year and so will Hossa!

    Carry on.

  64. I’ve aired my thoughts on John’s a few times here. I wanted to see him in the warrior head badly.

    It’s too soon to say whether or not he’s going to be badly missed. He’s played 27 total NHL games including playoffs. He has 3 points and owns a -8 rating with the highest scoring team in the league. He played a majority of his time with the Texas stars. Dallas had a number of guys get NHL time before he was called up. Esa Lindell, Nemeth,Jokipakka who they traded for Kris Russell. Another defenseman. Klingberg,Goligoski,Oduya,Demers,Jordie Benn.

    Some of him being in Texas rather than Dallas had to do with it being a numbers game. Too many guys not exempt from waivers, and he was. But Lindell got the call up first.

    He plays a rugged, valuable game in the right side. I like him. But, there’s a reason he signed an extension with Dallas for less dollars than his ELC. Dallas isn’t totally sold on him either. With that said, if he was here. I don’t think Campbell would be.

    But, you move on. Hawks have Dennis Gilbert, Joni tuulola, Carl Dahlstrom, and Forsling. With the exception of Forsling, all are bigger than 6’2. Dahlstrom plays a similar game. But I think his game is smarter. Johns will go out of his way for the hit. Dahlstrom is more positionally aware but can still be physical. He better for being 6’4 230.

  65. Dickie, I just brought Johns up because Ernie was suggesting that Stan has traded away a lot of players that didn’t pan out and he did not include Johns in his post. For years people on this site were very positive on Johns and I know he played as a top 4 defenseman for Dallas last year in the playoffs. I really don’t know if Johns is good or will be good, but I thought other people might have an opinion on him. In my opinion as a fan there is a difference between trading away a prospect for a veteran to win now and trading away a top prospect just to get rid of a bad contract. I am sure many will disagree with me on that, but I see a difference. Trading away a top prospect like Marko Dano to rent Ladd and still get knocked out in the first round I am fine with because they were going for the repeat and we may never get that chance again in our lifetime. On the other hand, trading away a first round pick who fell with much fanfare to the Hawks, developing him for several years, having him contribute in the Stanley Cup finals with that huge goal against Tampa, having other teams worried about the Hawks for years to come due to the young talent and then to just toss him in order to get rid of Bickell, Not Fine. Its a really bad deal for Hawks fans. Maybe there was no other choice. But bad nonetheless.

  66. I know Teuvo is younger than Johns. But he’s played more than 100 more NHL games than Johns. How do you still consider him a prospect?

  67. Moarisson – “soup for you, 1 year 2.25 million”. Seinfeld fans wouldn’t get it.

  68. All the chatter on guys no longer here is pointless. Water under the bridge and of no consequence moving forward. Forward >>>>

  69. Hat Trick ! The 3 Amigos all in row

    Like Nieto, Obama, Trudeau it’s Ebony Raptir, Morrison, Mining Man

  70. Pete, “…as a fan there is a difference between trading away a prospect for a veteran to win now and trading away a top prospect just to get rid of a bad contract. I am sure many will disagree with me on that, but I see a difference.” — I understand and agree, there is a difference. However, it’s not a transaction in a vacuum – “the BIG Picture” is always a reality. I said in my first response that I like Teravainen , and I agree with just about everything you said – upside, development, performance vs. Tampa Bay…(I suggested to RTF that he could replace Hossa/was a future “core” player) All of which made him desirable enough for some GM to take Bickell’s entire cap hit. “Maybe there was no other choice.” – if YOU were a GM (not Stan B.), what would you expect/demand in return? Back to “the BIG Picture” — Panarin must be locked-up for 6-8 years…something Stan B. should have learned from dealing with Saad. (By the way, I believe that the Hawks got a good return in that deal, especially since Saad’s agent priced him out of Chicago.) Can you suggest another way to create that cap space?

  71. A great day for the Hawks. I credit Brian Campbell for being a really solid character. He lobbied publicly to return to the Hawks, said he will take a lot less money, then did. So many athletes say one thing, then in the end chase the money which is totally their right. Campbell could easily have taken the Florida or Dallas offer then said the Hawks simply could not make work because of the cap. But he did not. He said what he meant, then backed it up.

    By contrast, Ladd made references to wanting to stay in Chicago long term after the deadline trade in February. Interesting how his tone changed once the Hawks were eliminated. Don’t get me wrong, I do not fault him for taking the mega bucks from Brooklyn to replace Okposo, but my soft spot for him that existed after the trade to Atlanta is gone. He chased the money and got it. Good for him. I will remember the double deflection as the cost of our 1st round draft pick in 2016.

    Back to Campbell. That go is so happy how this all worked out that he is going to have a great season playing on the 2nd pair. We got our top 4 defenseman for on the UFA market for $2 million. That’s unreal.

  72. Dickie, since you asked I will answer. I would have preferred Bowman buy Bickell out and just fill out the lineup with entry level players for a year even if they don’t make the playoffs for one year and have to be sellers at the deadline to make sure they have the space to sign Panarin and Teuvo the following year. My philosophy is you never want to give up the future unless you absolutely have to. Maybe I am wrong but that is my opinion based upon what I know. If they could have acquired Carolina’s number 1 pick the deal would be a lot better. I guess Carolina didn’t want Shaw?

  73. Should of dumped Gustafsson Svedberg Runblad and never resigned rosie and mashinter = soupy+ vaneck+ versteeg +schmaltz hello 3rd line &solid D plus teuvo comes back after a year in canes garbage system and free agent !!!!!!!!!!

  74. EBONYRAPTOR
    July 1, 2016 at 10:29 pm
    All the chatter on guys no longer here is pointless. Water under the bridge and of no consequence moving forward. Forward >>>>

    ER – YES! Thank you!

    Wooda – Cooda – Shooda…

    Like picking at a scab… Get Over It & let it heal…

    Now back to my gnashing of teeth on Bobby Hull defecting to the WHA… Oh the Cups we “Wooda” won…

  75. I believe it takes adequate depth to win the Cup.

    With CC and Darling I think it’s fair to say our goaltending is adequate.

    With the Campbell and Kempny acquistions I think it’s fair to say our d-corps is adequate.

    However, I can’t say our forward lines are adequate. We have three of the (arguably) top-30 forwards in the league with 19, 88 and 72. We have a former top-30 forward that has regressed offensively but is still a top 2-way forward with 81. We have 2 centers that are adequate in the 2C and 4C spots with 15 and 16/22. We have a couple other guys that can effectively fill bottom-6 roles with 11 and 14.

    That’s 8 forwards that can be counted on, which is another way of saying not enough depth. Stan has more work to do.

  76. I appreciate the comment, ebony. But I really think fans will be pleasantly surprised by Motte this season. and you don’t need overwhelming players on the 4th line. Desjardins, Rasmussen, Lundberg, Hinostroza could all be nice players there.

  77. 20 and 8 (maybe ready) are going to be better for the 2nd 40 games. Add a deadline FW.

    Think about how many guys really started in the 2nd 40 games.

  78. 20 would be Motte. He wore 20 for team USA. 14 while he was at Michigan. And 37 while he was with the icehogs. 8 is Schmaltz.

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