66 thoughts on “Blackhawks Trade Andrew Shaw To Montreal

  1. Now they have what 3 2nd Rd picks? Wonder if they move up into the first?

    Already miss Shaw. Good luck bud. Helluva ride.

    Chevyldayoff got fat.

  2. Arizona has been taking picks over players the last few weeks. Their new GM is…different.

  3. Still giddy over what Stan got for Shaw. I wish Shaw well in Montreal but his contract demands and what he is going to get from the Habs simply is way too rich for the Hawks.

  4. I think it comes down to what you prefer. Two mid-early seconds this year. Or a first and third next? Players in system 1 year earlier probably superceded things.

  5. Stan at his best on this one, now go get some more players that Rufus can bitch about. Still don’t think he is done tonight, feel another deal coming.

  6. They should trade whoever they were thinking of getting now because they won’t be able to sign him in 3 years.

  7. “They should trade whoever they were thinking of getting now because they won’t be able to sign him in 3 years.” — “Amen, brother!!”

  8. And this is the point of how the team is structured right now, need the young, cheap, overachieving players on ELC’s to play with the veteran core to get the Cup! Then reload… guess the question is if you would rather be one of the top teams drafting tonight, looking for the next Keith, Toews or Kane, when you are lucky to have them on the team…

  9. Teuvo reportedly is not allowed to go out on Halloween due to the menacing nature of various costumes. He has been known to get scared, pull up and refuse to ring the doorbell. Oops sorry, was watching the tape of the St. Louis series.

  10. I think with 3 mil cap space Stan signs cambell to help D . There also possibility he just rides out this year . Teuvo contract up at end of 2017 season & u see him coming right back …. By then cap should be 75 mil . It will be a star studded rookie team. With hope he can dump Runblad. To get 1 mil back.

  11. And the cap floor comes into play. Arizona trades for Datsyuk’s contract. Now Detroit can go after a free agent or two.

  12. I think they are going to have to sign at least a couple vets between F/D, too many rookies expected to be in the line-up. Also could try to ride under the cap to cover overages from Pan’s incentive contract again…

  13. Teuvo is gone. He ain’t coming back. Let it go.

    Agree on Detroit. Arizona gave up way too much for that

  14. Craig Nigrelli hit it on the head! About the only one here who has! Pete (and Mining Man with him) makes no sense.

  15. I would have preferred to buy out Bickell and keep TT. Let’s hope it does not turn out to make us look foolish.

  16. There are some solid 2nd rounders that will be available to grab. I’m actually pretty happy to see the 2 x 2nds for Shaw come this year vs next year on a offer sheet.

  17. So Holland can trade Datsyuk’s $7.5M contract to a salary cap floor team and Stan has to give up Teravainen to offload Bickell’s $4M contract. Hmmm?

  18. Interesting to see Elliott gone from St. Louis to Calgary for picks. I’m thinking Brouwer leaves and Backes stays.

  19. Ebony we are not allowed to question trades. Don’t you know this? The TT trade was great for the Hawks. Hawks traded an up and coming 21 year old with a special skill set whom the Hawks invested a first round pick in and spent years developing just to get rid of Bickell and to get a couple of throw in draft picks. Also TT was still on his ELC for next year. I can’t wait to watch a bunch of over achievers at the bottom of the roster. That is much more fun than watching a 21 year old turn into a star.

  20. Absolutely true Ebony. The only answer to your question is “something stinks to high heaven”. Somebody being “told” what to do? No transparency whatsoever and it will be left unanswered and never spoken of again.

  21. Good job by Bowman, part I of II is completed re: acquiring precious cap space for the right mix of players. Part II is trading Kruger now. If Kruger is not traded, what’s the point? Shaw at his $4M+ per year cap hit is a far better value than Kruger at $3.1M. Parts I & II need to both be cleared off the books.

    We’ll see how this plays out.

  22. I can wrap my head around the sky high opinion some of you have for Teuvo. I don’t get it. He’s marshmallow soft and was consistently a problem in the passing game regardless of where he was lined up. He isn’t a center. And he didn’t look very good at right wing either. I just don’t get it.

  23. …. as far as young, unproven rookies contributing in the playoffs, let’s remember that Pittsburgh’s rookies came thru when it mattered against a battered Rangers team, perennial choking for two decades in playoffs Capitals, Tampa Bay w/out their best player and Capt until game & and the best goalie (Bishop) left in the playoffs for virtually the entire series, and San Jose (give me a break).

    If anyone thinks the Hawks’ core (and regardless of the bottom three/six as long as Q builds confidence in them and rolls four lines) — including Crawford of course — couldn’t beat the Penguins, I’ll be damned.

    Thank you.

  24. The difference between the Bickell and Datsyuk deals-

    Bryan Bickell is owed 4 million this year.
    Bryan Bickell has a 4 million cap hit this year.

    Pavel Datsyuk is owed 0 dollars this year- his contract will be terminated.
    Pavel Datsyuk has a 7.5 million dollar cap hit.

    In real dollars Arizona saves 4 million and has a slightly higher cap hit they needed anyway.

  25. Panik – Toews – Kane
    Panarin – Anisimov – Schmaltz
    Motte – Kruger – Hossa
    Hartman – Hinostraza – Mashinter
    Rasmussen

    Keith – Seabrook
    CAMPBELL – Hjalmarsson
    Gustafsson / Kempney – van Riemsdyk

    Crawford
    Darling

  26. Larger penalty next year if you buy out Bickell. And you’re still going to have bonus overages. And a Panarin deal. Buyout was never truly an option even if you could have made the extra million work.

  27. re: Datsyuk & Bickell – Arizona had Pronger on the cap last year (while he worked for the NHL and went into the HOF – but that isn’t cap circumvention). It’s just dead money to get them to the floor.

  28. Earl, I still think there are possibly 3 cheap options for 1LW aside from Panik. Panik is bottom 6. He doesn’t belong next to Toews.

    Option 1- kidnap everything important to Jimmy Vesey and force him to sign here. Tell him he’ll play on a line with 19 and 88.

    Option 2- sign Eric Staal for cheap. Make him prove he can still play. After New York I’m skeptical.

    Option 3- Vanek has been informed he’ll be bought out. He’s an offense only guy so I don’t know how well that would work with Q. But on a cheap deal it might be worth it.

  29. Arizona actually paid Pronger some money last year as he was on LTIR. Apparently paying a guy 575k to no play for you (LTIR) is more economical than paying a guy 4.941429 (actual hit) to play for you. Marc Savard has the same thing going on. His contract was just traded to the devil’s. He might just be on more teams post career than during it.

    The only difference is when the Datsyuk deal is terminated allowing him to play in Russia (they could probably toll the contract like St Louis did with Vladimir Sobotka), Datsyuk won’t be owed anything. But because it’s an over 35 contract, signed in his age 35 season. The cap hit remains.

    If you read what Holland had to say about it, no way would I deal with that agent again. Holland wanted 1 year. Agent asked for 5. 2 weeks after the paper was signed, Datsyuk came up to Holland and said this first year in the contract was his last. Holland doesn’t think Datsyuk knew the over 35 rules. Agent was in it for him, not the client.

  30. Damn straight Iceman.. The only team that will beat the Penguins for the cup was the Bkackhawks. We had this I the bag but managed to flub things with the Blues.

  31. In my opinion, the Hawks looked too tired most of the series vs. StL to imagine them winning a second round series let alone beating Pittsburgh in the final. I guess it’s fun to talk about…

    I think all things considered, the two second round picks is a good return for Shaw. The get to control his destination (unless Montreal doesn’t sign him). I like Shaw – he brought a lot almost every game. Outside of the occasional bad penalty, he was a very good role player – but a “role player” not worth $4.5. Good luck and continued success, Shaw.

  32. Tab agree, there is enough talent among the young forwards — if they receive regular and consistent shifts from Q — to form a formidable fourth line during the season and playoffs.

  33. (Tab) “Go with Motte, Hinostroza, Schmaltz, Hartman” — Giddy-up!

    (Ernie) “Q would never go with those 4 rookies.” — I don’t know? He could be capable of change/adapt…and, he might not have much (any) choice?

  34. Q plays a major role in all of this. He has to have some patience w/ the new group of lower tier forwards and give them confidence. He couldn’t even do this w/ proven pros like Weise & Fleischman. Either one or both of these guys for the right price are more than formidable on the bottom six w/ consistent playing time and shifts.

    This is the main — maybe sole — reason some of us complain about Q, he is highly impatient and makes hasty decisions w/ his bottom three to six forwards. He did the same w/ Vermette, he got lucky Vermette got on a hot roll and made him look good.

    There are far, far worse coaches than Q in the league, his passion is undeniable and great, he is a great in-game coach v. his peers. There is even a horse named after him now, “Coach Q”. He needs to get over this hurdle or mental block he has when it comes to shutting down guys like Weise w/out even giving them a fair shake from an ice time/shifts perspective. Weise is a solid, gritty, winning capable player w/ an offensive touch. The Hawks need a player like him desperately, maybe Bowman can convince him to come back at a fair salary.

    We’ll see.

  35. Ernie… I prefer Vitali Abramov over Debrincat… If Hawks go for “most talented” small guy… Russian kid, who can skate like 72 and finish.

    Also, like Cam Morrison and Will Bitten

  36. Q waited too long to put Weise in the lineup. Hawks killed the Blues in Game 6 and had the better team but anything can happen in game 7 and it did. Big Earl your lineup is nowhere near as good a team as the Hawks put out there against the Blues. And that is killing me because its like going backwards. Somebody here said TT was soft and bad at passing. Look he’s 21 and is a great passer. The Hawks had the ability last year to intimidate with skill with Kane, Panarin, TT etc. That skill advantage is now being watered down. I know its the salary cap, believe me I get it and I also get the Hawks won 3 cups so Bowman knows what he is doing and I know nothing. However, as a fan watching the games I know what I see and I see the Hawks losing talent. I really hate to bring this up again but when I saw the 1 plus million in dead money on Scaduri I immediate thought of the Sharp trade. In the end Hawks got nothing for Sharp other than getting rid of salary. Which of course begs the question of why did Bowman take so much salary back on that deal, plus he threw in a top defensive prospect(Johns). Johns is now a solid big young defenseman for Dallas who played in the playoffs. Was Sharp that bad or was that deal that bad? I can’t help but think that if the Hawks didn’t have that dead money for Scaduri on the books maybe TT is still here. Sorry but as a die hard hawks fan and season ticket holder I cannot remain silent. I fear this team will not make the playoffs and be a seller at the trade deadline. I really hope Bowman has a plan to prove me wrong and then I will happily admit it.

  37. I just checked Tabs earlier post on the salary and dead money. Scaduri is 1,125M. That’s the last hit on the disaster known as the Sharp trade.

  38. Can someone explain how the Datsyuk and Hossa contract situation with regards to the over 35 recapture penalty are different? There has been so much dialogue that trading Hossa is too risky due to the recapture boomeranging to the Hawks. How is it that Holland was able to off load the Datsyuk risk without any apparent repercussions?

    Could Hossa also terminate the contract to play in Europe (or retire) and StanBow trade the contract rights to a low budget team trying to get to the floor? Seems like AZ and NJ use this regularly (aforementioned Pronger and Savard). I think FL has also taken on large Cap Hits with low actual $$$’s to get to the floor also.

    Maybe the Hossa contract is not quite as daunting as we believe? Risky – absolutely – but did Holland just show us a viable option? Of course you will need a rookie GM to play ball and give you back multiple Golden Tickets. Holland made a great deal.

  39. First off Hossa’s contract expires in 20-21, this was D’s last year.
    Can you imagine that GM taking on that cap hit for several years? Somehow one team (Arizona) could do it for one year and make it work.
    Hossa has been great but the reality is that the Hawks have a few contracts that are/or will be hard to stomach. They need to fight and claw to win in the next few years, as other teams become much better–it’s a normal cycle.

  40. The difference between the Hossa and Datsyuk contract is twofold. The first being the term. Datsyuk signed a 3 year deal when he was 35. The biggest difference between actual salary and his cap hit was 2 million. And that’s this year. This contract was signed after the new CBA came up with new rules for contract length and variance of salary from year to year.

    “Teams receiving a “cap advantage” from long-term contracts — defined as seven years or more for contracts signed prior to the January 2013 CBA — will be penalized in the event the player retires or “defects” from the NHL before the contract expires. A team receives a “cap advantage” when the player’s actual salary exceeds his cap hit in a given year.”

    Had Datsyuk signed this deal in his age 34 season, this is a total non issue for the wings as the hit would come off the books.

    The Hossa deal was for 12 years and 63.3 million, signed prior to the 09/10 season. The way the deal is structured is different and the new CBA has gotten rid of the circumvention of the contract. A players cap hit is the total value of the deal 63.3 Million divided by length of the deal 12 years. For an average annual value (AAV) of 5.275. The AAV is also the players cap hit. The deal was heavily front loaded as the last 4 years were essentially “dead” years with a salary of 1 million. They were added on to lower the actual cap hit on the first years of the deal when his salary was 7.9 million. This year his salary is 4 million. The first 7 seasons were all valued at 7.9 million. For a cap “advantage” of 2.7 million.

    When the player retiresor defects this advantage would be “recaptured”. These contracts were of much contention when they were signed. Keith also has one, as do both Parise and Suter. The recaptured advantage will be charged to the team in the form of cap space until the contract was set to expire. Because of dollars, the racapture if Hossa retired this year is 3.675. If he retires next year or any year after the recapture penalty is 4.275.

    This cap recapture follows the Hawks even if he is traded. I have yet to hear if the penalty would be incurred if he is left unprotected in the expansion draft.

  41. Pete, if you get it…and are still bitching.. “I can do nothing for ya son”

    I don’t like losing Teuvo either. The fact remains, to start the year he was valued much higher than at the end. He can make passes, when given space. You don’t have space on small ice. I think he can be a 60 point guy. He isn’t yet. And he may never become that. Youd think after 140 NHL games all that talent would exude a little more. 55 points in 140 games. And not all of his shortcomings can be attributed to “he’s 21” or “his linemates suck”

    Things change. Hawks have moved on. Can we? Please? Saad isn’t coming back either. I’m sorry. Too good for the Hawks good.

  42. Noonan- Arizona is still 7.6 million below the floor! They still need 9 players to fill out the roster though.

  43. Pete you only live for the minute. Try and live for lifetime. You mentioned you are a fan watching games. Did you forget the games that Sharp played in and brought us Three Stanley Cups? Everyone speaks of the dump of bad contracts. Those were go contracts when the Cup were accomplished. People need to take a look at the big picture. Big picture is I rather have Panarin here than TT. So to everyone look back and look what those “bad contracts” brought us and look forward and see what the “getting rid of young talent” will bring us.

  44. There is only one “constant” in this league and that is…

    There is no “constant”…

    Everything changes, all the time…

    I’m paraphrasing here: Embrace the suck & move forward…

    Good teams adapt & overcome, and it helps a whole lot when you have 19, 88 & 2 along with a pretty good supporting cast.

  45. Ernie, thank you. I get it now. As always Hawk fans are the best. Looks like Hossa will be a Hawk for remainder of his career.

    Onto today’s second round picks. Many good players have been found in the second round (Keith, Crawford, Saad, Bolland, Johns and yes even Bickell for a brief time period of 17 seconds) so StanBow needs to do it again.

  46. Ernie, I thought the Saad deal was a good move for the Hawks given the situation. I was also happy with the moves at the deadline last year to try and repeat whether they worked out or not. I also didn’t disagree with the Bickell signing at the time. He had just helped the team beat Detroit and win the Cup. I think the Sharp deal was horrible in the sense that SB took too much salary back. My comment is hamstrung by the fact that I don’t know what, if any, other options were available. But I that 1.125M in dead money sitting on the books for Scaduri this year is a direct result of taking that salary back in the Sharp deal. That had to be a negative factor going into this year. Did it force the TT trade. I will never know. But I single out the Sharp deal and the TT deal as the worst moves. Yes I am thankful for the Cups and all the great moves by Bowman. But lets just be honest about it. Those deals on their face are horrific. Just because the Hawks won three Cups doesn’t mean we don’t get to comment on trades.

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