Blackhawks Trade Bickell, Teravainen To Carolina

On Wednesday, the Blackhawks made their first trade of what figures to be a busy summer.

Chicago dealt forwards Teuvo Teravainen and Bryan Bickell to the Carolina Hurricances in exchange for a second round pick (50th overall) in the 2016 NHL Draft and a third round pick in the 2017 NHL Draft.

Teravainen, 21, has posted 17 goals and 27 assists in 115 games with the Blackhawks. He was the Blackhawks first round pick (18th overall) in the 2012 NHL Draft.

We’ve talked about Bickell. Unfortunately, Teravainen is now the cost associated with ridding the Blackhawks of his $4M cap hit for the 2016-17 season without the penalty of a buyout carrying into next year.

104 thoughts on “Blackhawks Trade Bickell, Teravainen To Carolina

  1. I was really hoping it didn’t come down to this. I know teuvo hadn’t found his consistent, ideal “spot” in the lineup yet, but I’m getting tired the hawks dropping talent before its prime. Was there no one else to package with bickell? I’d rather lose shaw than teravainen

  2. Teuvo moved around a lot, so that hurt his production. That said, his value to the Hawks is less than it is to a team like Carolina. I’m ok with them packaging him to free up space. They won’t have an issue replacing his production.

  3. Unfortunately one bad decision by SB (rewarding Bickell for one good post season)leads to us losing a very talented forward.

    Rufus is off to celebrate…

  4. I believe, with *all* the now-found cap flexibility, the #1 Priority is getting Panarin locked-up for six years.

    Shaw returning is good, but more of a “luxury”

  5. Trading young assets and signing older players is a surefire way to NOT be a contender. Piece by piece this whole thing is starting to smell awful. I’m sure the Shaw contract extension is coming shortly, Congrats! Uurrgh

    This move is absolutely GARBAGE, another off season and another piss poor trade to start the off season. Congrats to Ron Francis & the Hurricanes who are quietly putting together a nice young roster. Nice grab from the Hawks poor cap management.

  6. Also, Teravainen was a HIGH price to pay. In my opinion, his age, skill, and upside outweigh the accusation that he “plays soft against heavy teams”.

  7. I hate Bickell more than any player in the history of the NHL. Glad to see that lazy bastard go. GOOD RIDDANCE. As for TT I am sure his production will be better on a team that will give him top 6 and PP time, clearly that was not going to be here. The way I see it, we traded TT for 5 mil in cap space, a 2nd rounder, and a 3rd. Not too bad if you ask me.

    Tab how many forwards do the hawkss have to sign and what kind of money do they have to play with. My understanding is they need to sign 6?

  8. Well you can’t accuse Bowman of not having guts. We’ll all be watching Teravainen and Bickell like a hawk next year.

    Now it all depends on what they do with the Bickell contract savings. A miracle if they could find a way to sign Ladd this year and Panarin next year.

  9. The biggest question is how much are they going to pay shaw? I have a feeling that is what we will be bitching about next

  10. @ScottieP –

    Not counting Shaw, right now they have Toews, Hossa, Kane, Panarin, Anisimov, Desi, and Kruger. That leaves 5 spots for “regulars”. In-house options include Shaw, Motte, Hartman, Kero, and Hino.

    Yeah this trade sucks, but getting rid of Bickell’s cap hit (completely) was the only way to get cap compliant and have a hope of filling out the rest of the roster with anything other than prospects. The $5M/year in savings can replace TT’s production and more.

  11. No likey, kudos to Rufus for his unwavering determination to make this trade a reality.

    Now what?

  12. Expect the Panarin deal to be somewhere in the ballpark of 6 yrs 40 million. I would assume Stan will look to pay Shaw at least 4 or 5 million. Stan Loooves to over value and over pay his guys.

    @GANDERHAWK the Canes are 8 million under the cap floor, which I believe was waived due to expansion. They have nearly 27 million in cap space. So they may end up seeing if Bickell can give them ANYTHING for one season since the cap is far from their problem.

  13. Although this hurts a bit, the reality is that this is a play for flexibility. The Blackhawks would really like Shaw back, but in reality they have to figure out how to lock up Panarin for the longterm. When you’re fighting the cap, that takes creativity and some tough decisions. The low hanging fruit that really makes a difference is escaping the Bickell albatross of a contract. It was like $5 million of dead money. Now they need to further develop some young, cheap players into middle of the road, every day guys with the ability to peak in a supporting role. Aka they need more players like Kruger.

  14. Really not a good move i think ..Teuvo will be a Very good player in 2-3 years …
    Bick..the !>€+#*^|6:&@ of shit …we lost so much time with this guy …now we loose a part of the future for the Hawks …
    Will the Hawks try to sign Ladd ?
    Not a good move for the future …but maybe someting will come out from that Big Lost

  15. TT is entering the last year of his ELC. Given a decent year the Hawks would need to pay him anyway……..OR the LVBK might have taken him in the expansion draft. If, if, if. In this case I am gonna say SB did what he thought was best for the team.

    In short, Hawks have to replace a young 40 point guy and essentially have a mid second round pick plus about $4mm in which to do it.

    The upside is what comes of the trade, cap space. Personally, I think the Hawks are ….ok….on offense. I am hoping they use some of that $4mm on a blueliner.

  16. This trade is about signing a true #4 defenseman AND acknowledging TT would likely have been sacrificed in the upcoming expansion draft, more than it is about resigning Shaw or Ladd.

    One thing is certain, there are going to be more trades & signings. Let’s hope the signing of a top four defenseman is the next one we hear about coming from the Blackhawks.

  17. You can blame the Bickell contract all you want, but I know nobody wants to hear this, but the Toews and Kane contracts leave no room for errors. $10m/each is going to cripple this team. I think they are both great players, and they are probably worth that much on separate teams, but both on one team is too big of a chunk of the salary cap, especially if it is going down or at least not increasing. You have to ask, do you want to win or do you want to get paid? In the salary cap era, you probably can’t do both.

  18. Yes, ‘ya can, Gravy. The formula of paying your elite talent huge while furiously managing entry-level contracts, middle contracts, upcoming RFA’s and UFA’s, all at the same time as you hope to develop young talent is what Stan has done pretty darn well. It is precarious and some times you have to eat it but he’s done terrific overall. We play on

  19. I think with he expansion draft around the corner, there was no way to keep teravainen from being exposed to being lost. Why not get something for him before he is lost for free

  20. SSHM- They havent made expansion officially official yet. It would be the 17/18 season in which a draft will occur. So I see no reason why the NHLPA would waive the floor. Especially for 16/17.

    Shaw probably gets 3.5 ish.

    In regards to signing a true 4. Whos out there youd like to sign? Besides Brian Campbell. Luke Schenn would be interesting. But also, lets remember what Q said about the lineup. He wanted more forwards. Now with Hossa presumably in a bottom 6 role you have 2 holes in the top 6. Is Shaw a top 6 player? Not really. Is Motte a top 6 player? Who knows?

    Currently without Shaw the Hawks have a need for- 1LW,2RW, 3LW, 3C, 4 RW. 5 of 16 forward positions are questions. Granted Shaw, Motte, and maybe Hartman can fill a few of them. But they have 6 NHL caliber defensemen. Not the best quality, some are pretty unknown. But at least they have them. So I think forward, especially after Teuvo is gone is more pressing.

  21. Nick, with the rules Tab posted regarding expansion, they could have easily protected Teravainen. Panarin will be exempt

  22. @ Nick,

    Its hard to say if TT would have had to be left exposed only the organization really know the specifics of the expansion draft. The rumor was certain players were required to be left available because of no trade clauses, yrs of experience and other factors that made things murky for the Hawks. Rocky and the Hawks are part the of the board of governers so in a sense they are making up the rules as they go along.

  23. Gravy Train- pens have won 2 cups with 2 players (3 now) eating most their cap, Kings have huge deals and have won cups and so have we. You need elite talent to win in this league I think this decade has proven that. While 10 mil is a lot and I dont completely deny your point, I do believe its a necessary evil. Also if the cap goes up that 10 mil over the years will be less and less.

  24. I think it’s funny everyone trying to rationalize this trade. “Teuvo would be too expensive to be kept”. Hogwash. “He would have been lost to expansion anyway”. Nope, protect 7 forwards. Motte and Panarin are exempt (88,19,81,65,16,15… 1spot left, and Hossa could be asked to waive nmc, which would give you 2 spots). This trade is a total salary dump with decent picks coming back your way. Teuvo underperformed, but will be 22 so I’ll defend that. Teuvo’s ceiling is why you were able to get ANYTHING back. As of now Teuvo hasn’t hit his ceiling, and he may never. Still to green. I dont like the idea of losing him at all. But let’s not try to convince ourselves it’s something more than it is.

  25. Agree with Scottie P. Who would you rather have? Kopitar or Toews. Kopitar at 10 until he’s 36? Or Toews at 10.5 until he’s 34? Wanna be a contender? Get great players. How do you get great players? draft. How do you keep them? $$$$$

  26. Thumbs up on this trade. Panarin is the same size as TT, but Panarin commits himself in the gym and does not shy away from the physical part of the game when he has to do so. TT did not and, to me, that is not the commitment we want from a player on this team. He is chicken shit shying away from contact and was doing nothing to develop himself to handle that part of the game. That demonstrates he will not do what it takes to be a champion. Good luck with the Canes from a former big Teuvo fan.

  27. I know that some criticism will come my way but this was a good trade. $5 million in cap space, a second round pick, two third round picks, all while ending the Bickell era for Teuvo. Book it. Use the young players to win the Cup!

  28. So with the $4.89 mil back in the bank, you can subtract the overages for Panarin’s, Teuvo’s and Rozy’s bonuses as well as the money we retained on Scuderi’s contract, all of which amounts to about $2.7 mil.

    Hate losing TT, think it’s a huge mistake. Clearing out Bickell’s $$ is great, but it really doesn’t give us much room to do anything significant.

    Do I have the numbers correct? Anyone??

  29. I’ll echo some others and say I’m disappointed to lose TT, but unfortunately he didn’t show he was ready for a top-6 role this past season and the Hawks needed to clear Bickell’s $4M cap hit off the books and TT’s potential wasn’t guaranteed to help them win next season and the Hawks are in “win now” mode. So TT was deemed expendable and it’s just the reality of the capped NHL. I wish TT and Bickell well in Carolina – both seem like nice guys.

    With Bickell’s cap off the books, hopefully they have enough cap space to resign Shaw.

  30. Hate the trade. Trading 21 year olds with huge upside just to dump a bad contract is a sure fire way to go downhill. Couldn’t even get a#1 pick for the deal. What a disaster. Stan should have found another way

  31. Booman, I completely agree with your comments! Plus the wicked 1 timer 72 has is a weapon worth having, not to mention his straight up hockey IQ and ability to finish, TT, not so much!

  32. Brian bickell helped the hawks win the
    Stanley cup. For his loyalty to his team mates
    And the fans of Chicago. I say thank you,
    And I know that you and your family will
    Be missed by Chicago . you are a class act.

  33. Scottie – I agree that it is a necessary evil to pay good players good money. My point is more of an overall criticism of athletes who claim they want to win more than anything else. If that were true they would take less per year and allow for other quality guys to come in for longer deals than a rental. I just think some of this responsibility needs to be put on the players when they don’t win while getting paid a ton. I know Toews is the Captain and brings a ton of intangibles to the table, but 51st in scoring this season and 6 points in the playoffs with a 1st round exit, is not acceptable for that contract. I think Stan gets a lot of heat when these players don’t live up to their contracts, and now there is almost zero room for error. Losing these good players is a direct result of the salary cap. Should two guys be eating up 29% of the cap with 1st round exits?

  34. Pat,

    For all of your applause, maybe spell it right, Bryan.

    I think he played afraid of contact and that made him very tentative. Yes he was part of the Cup wins. Things change and he couldn’t bring it on a nightly basis, this is “the winning business” and hopefully he fits in with the canes and keeps playing at the NHL level. Other than that, bye bye Bryan.

  35. since teveo would have been an rfa after next season, would he have even needed to protected, especially if the draft is before free agency period begins?

  36. Chris- Yes, TEUVO would have needed to be protected. He had 3 years of professional service at that point. I know what youre saying that they said players had to be under contract for 17/18. I’d like more information about that before I assume pending free agents are ineligible simply because theyre nor currently under contract. Besides, A lot can happen in 12 months. he could sign an extension july 2 and this question is moot.

  37. @ ERNIE

    You are correct expansion is not official, howver it is a foregone conclusion. Bill Foley just wrote the NHL a 500 million check, there is ZERO chance they are returning that! The NHL shot callers (Board of Governors) will sign off on expansion and at that time the cap floor will likely be lifted. None of these teams want to lose players/assets for nothing so although the expansion draft isnt until next off season these GM are setting up their rosters now.
    lets give ESPN credit Craig Custance had this trade right about 4 days ago!

  38. Red Top – The formula has been to sign the elite top two and then let the young talent, (Saad, TT and I’ll throw Stephen Johns), go because you can afford them. Then you can only sign good veteran players to 1 year deals and hope you find a decent prospect in the minors only to have to trade them if they get good after their ELC because you can’t afford them. You might get lucky with a European or KHL’er (Panarin) that wants to play here because he wants to play with a winner, but what happens when this team stops winning cups? Those guys won’t come here when they have an option to play on almost any other team. I’m not sure I like that formula.

  39. Good post, Pat.jf , I agree. When Bickel was first sent down to Rockford last year and we thought that was the end, I said:

    If you could go back about 20-25 years ago and ask every hockey playing boy in N. America “What would he give to score a huge goal in a SCF, make $16M, and marry a pretty girl?” Anything.

    Fair seas and following winds to you, Bryan. You wore the sweater with pride. You’ll always have Game 6.

  40. the Score this afternoon was saying that signing Bickell to that atrocious contract was not SB but Q advocated for it and got it because he wanted to keep Bickell for his big body (plus he showed at the time that he could be productive). That also explains his love for Mashinter last season.
    Because of 2015 playoffs and not being able to win the Cup without him and Vermettes production, makes this hard. Although his defense was great over last season he really did not have a great year offensively. But I thought he’d come back better this year. Really sorry to see him go. Think he’ll do well for Carolina.

  41. Your points are valid, Gravy, but for the most part you’d have to say that today’s GM’s just don’t see it that way, and also they have come to follow SB’s formula way more than they used. Stan has set the pace with the way things are being done. 19 and 88 are just plain rare talents – you pay them or they leave. They leave and we don’t have the success we’ve had. Very hard to see young talent go, though, I get it

  42. SSHM- what I meant by officially official is details. Sure Vegas is coming. But I haven’t read any mention of removing the cap floor. We’ve heard about some leaked details, but we don’t know if those are fact yet either.

    Regarding giving Custance credit. Bickell had to go. It doesn’t take a scholar to see only a few prospects could go with Bickell that would make him go away.

  43. Since when did Andrew Shaw become the wonder child of the NHL. If we truly lost TT to overpay for Shaw then this really stinks. I would rather commit that money to retain Ladd, a much better all around player than Shaw. I guess the whole thing is what we get with those 2 picks and if Q will give them a fair chance. The minors are full of Andrew Shaw type players with marginal talent and a lot of heart.

  44. I think TT was rated about #7 overall on draft day but fell to #19. In other words, a lot of teams who had a shot at him got cold feet. I don’t know whether or not he makes it as a top 6 forward–we’ll see. When it came our turn on draft day I was hoping we went for Maata who also fell, but has much more of a hockey body and also would have been a good fit. Like everyone I would obviously have preferred to avoid this whole mess, but I’m not overly concerned about losing TT.

  45. All the hype around Tuevo, to have him as a throw in to rid the team of a bad contract is very unsettling. Add too it that this Bickell money will likely go to Shaw is equally frustrated. So you keep Seabs(31) Kruger(26) & Shaw (24) but you move Tuevo(21) Saad(23).

    One yr ago today the Hawks Captured the cup, and had a promising young core of Saad and TT 15 days later they moved Saad, and now less then a yr later they have neither player. It just sucks!

  46. Remember this day – I would not be suprised, if this trade will be mentioned together with Hasek and Esposito.
    Teuvo is a pure talent, just needs 1-2 years to get stronger and can easily be a point per game player. Could play for hawks for 15 more years…

  47. Bicks contributed big time for the team in 2013 Stanley Cup. Will always remember fishing and eating sushi with Shawzer the summer before that lockout-season.

    Teravainens birthday was 4 days, he would have been a higher pick then 7 in the draft after that.

    Love Teravainen and hes going to be a wicked player, hes only 21 still.

    Tells you Bowman and crew are not fucking around and are going to do whatever we need to to keep/get roster where its been/belongs.

    Top core in hockey. Blackhawks!

  48. Big mistake by Stan to trade 86. The kid has outstanding skill and elite vision. He was never put with finishers on a consistent basis and as a result his numbers suffered. Putting him with Desi all year was a complete waste of 86’s talent. The kid will be a star someday and this trade will bite Stan in the ass. Good riddance to Bickell. With the loss of 86 this team just got older, slower and less skilled. Very disappointing day.

  49. The Bickel signing was by far the worst of all of Bowman’s many moves and unloading TT to get out from under that mess is questionable at best.

    But I’m not going to take a dump on Bowman. He was key in bringing home 3 cups and I wouldn’t trade him for any other GM in the league.

    In the salary cap era, a cup almost every other year is amazing. Let’s see what he does the rest of the summer.

  50. Shaw, nothing more than a 4rth liner, should have been allowed to walk long before 86 was traded.

  51. Bickell gone at long last, very good. TT gone not so good.

    Well they and we all had a good look at TT and I can only hope they know or saw something that we could not pick up on.

    Keeping Panarin is top top super top priority. Period over and out.

  52. I wonder if TT will spend the rest of his career in Carolina? This trade could come back to haunt us in more ways than one. Let’s see if Stan has more up his sleeve in the weeks to come. He better, because as a first move to start the off-season, this feels like we just punched ourselves in the face.

  53. Everyone knew that moves would be made. If it did come down to Shaw or TT (and that may or not be the case) it would be pretty obvious that Shaw would win out. A lot of people don’t like Shaw, but the important thing is that Q and Bowman like him A LOT. As soon as that St. Louis series was over they couldn’t say enough about how much he meant, how he was “irreplaceable”, on and on. So in that respect I’m not surprised that Shaw would be kept and someone else might be sacrificed.

    I thought that the Bickell situation would be more of the buyout category, though, just because I didn’t figure anyone else would see enough in him to bring his money into the fold. Even with a player like TT thrown in. Perhaps they have financial maneuvering that make the deal, in addition to TT’s talent, more palatable.

  54. Serious question. Does trading Teravainen open the door for Nick Schmaltz? I know he’s not signed…yet.

  55. Agree with RTF. Where did all this love for TT come from? So here it goes for the last time. HE IS SOFT. YOU CANNOT WIN STANLEY CUPS WITH SOFY PLAY.

  56. Ernie- Ya read my mind…

    guessing Schmaltz – replaces TT…

    Motte

    And let’s pray they Give Vesey the Keys to the UC!!! That Boy can play!!!

    But – odds are he goes to Boston!!!

  57. Anyone else remember a first round Finn who got sent to Carolina and then never really panned out as a star? I liked TT’s potential… but Hawks first rounders in the last 45 years haven’t been all that exciting. On the top tier, you certainly have Savard (80), Roenick (88), Toews (06), and Kane (07)… but even if you take the second tier Seabrook (03), Olczyk (84), Wilson (77), Russell (72)… you’ve got the serviceable players like Brown, Manson, Rota, Mulvey, Tanti, Higgins, Dykhuis, McCammond, Moreau, and Cleary (most of whom spent the bulk of their careers elsewhere), and then a bunch of whiffs…

    Spring, Vaydik, Yaremchuk, Cassidy, Sanipass, Waite, Bennett, Krivokrasov, Lecompte, Nabokov, Royer, Jones, Bell, McCarthy, Yakubov and Vorobiev, Babchuk, Barker, Skille, Beach, Olsen,… all cases where potential was realised to (mostly) limited degrees.

    If Teravainen goes on to play 700 NHL games and only manages 350 points (ala Ruuttu), will anyone really complain?

  58. Demo…your post gave me a good laugh. I’m in your camp as I wrote above. Teuvo is too, too soft for the NHL.

    RTF, agree with your assessment that too many on here overvalue some of our players, Teuvo among them. I’d just use more euphemistic descriptions. Same group that believes that 25-26 y/o Svedberg is going to turn into the next Chara. Really!!!

    The bottom line is that Teuvo’s vision and skill should have made the players around him better, but they didn’t. I don’t care who he was paired with because he should have still been able to do that if he is so skilled. Saying he did not play with finishers is a lame excuse for him not being as good as people on here believe. We have a pretty good core of players and Teuvo had opportunities with everyone on the team and never showed any super star shine. Kaner does his magic making everyone look better. Panarin appears to have that same ability to a lesser degree than Kane. Sorry, but Teuvo is not in the same category as those two. Teuvo is free now to spend his days playing golf and improving his golf game rather than committing himself to the gym and making himself a better hockey player.

    Bicks, thanks for your play on the ’13 cup winner, you were a beast in those playoffs. 17 seconds baby!!!! Good luck in your future and thanks for those memories. Glad we were able to dump your contract. Best always.

  59. Well the good news is that RTF hit on one of his proclamations–but even a blind squirrel ……
    The next two or three years will let us know if a mistake has been made or the move wise. I appreciated his skill set, and wish he was given a longer chance to fit and grow.

  60. @ Andy: Nice summary of our historic first rounders. Wow, straight-line Jack Skille who had (has) the lateral movement of a table hockey player. Mikhail Yakubov who never got motivated past using his rookie dough on a brand new SUV. Everett Sanipass, the native of Big Cove, NB (I seem to recall he was massive in his first game and then pretty much vanished), and of course the Yaremmer. You’re right, only a few ever play at the level needed to be top end guys on championship teams.

  61. RTF says ” he will be a 55-60 point scorer”. That is just what we need. The Hawks only had TWO players this year that scored more than 60 points. TT was very responsible defensively and played an effective 200 foot game. Q used him at critical times on the PK.

  62. Hawks1961,
    As RTF states, those 55-60 points are not going to carry the Canes to any Cups. He’ll only get those points on the Canes because they will have him playing more minutes and PK minutes. However, his minutes will not make them a successful playoff team. To me, he isn’t a championship lay it on the line type player that wins cups. He was a passenger on the team last year rather than a driver.

    How many of his goals this year were big goals? Don’t remember many. In fact, I believe he scored several empty net goals.

  63. If Stan went to the draft and offered Teuvo around in a trade talks, I wonder what the return would be ?

    I look at the deal like this : Teuvo to Carolina for a 2nd and 3rd ( advantage Canes )

    Carolina picks up Bickell on waivers, full salary. (advantage Hawks & wow they unloaded that contract without retaining any salary).

    I am undecided on this deal.

  64. Agree for the most part w/ 1961. Shaw is a decent player, but replaceable. Teavo not even close to coming into his own and not utilized as well as possible. If Kruger is getting paid $3M+ per year cap hit, and he has scant offensive repertoire, what is Shaw worth? A lot more than that. Shaw has got to go (keep reading below for who can slot into Shaw’s slot for a lot less $).

    I will reiterate — if Bowman got rid of Bollig after mistakenly signing him long-term for a third round pick — there is a market to dispose of Kruger. Personally, I would trade Shaw’s rights and trade Kruger as well. Re-sign Ladd (agree w/ whoever mentioned this in prior post), and Ben Smith (if healthy, which he was at the end of last season in the minors) who has a far better offensive skillset than Kruger, and he is desperate to get back to NHL, he can be had for slightly more than the minimum, Q likes him and he knows the system. This is a no-brainer.

    My proposal solves top six concerns, provides for a better and FAR cheaper version of Kruger, and also allows space to sign a D-man (i.e. welcome home Soupy Campbell). Further, count me as a Dale Weise fan — he is only 27, skates well, is gritty and has an offensive skillset (Q declined to utilize him properly last year). This is Shaw’s replacement w/ the same amount of grit, equal if not better offensive skillset, and most important, far less of a cap hit.

    Lastly, congratulation to Mr. Rufus – his first correct prognostication out of the 800 or so he has made the last few years.

    If Bowman follows the above protocol, the Hawks will be in good shape. Thank you.

  65. “Remember this day – I would not be suprised, if this trade will be mentioned together with Hasek and Esposito. Teuvo is a pure talent…” (Moonshiner) – I can’t dispute that *possibility*, and I really like Teravainen (see posts replying to Rufus), but this is the cap era…the Hawks GAVE AWAY talent for shit in return for Hasek and Esposito, and possibly TT, but right now, it was a necessary “business” move. (…and yes, too bad the return wasn’t a little more, but Panarin long-term and possibly Shaw returning are priorities.)

    “With the loss of 86 this team just got older, slower and less skilled. Very disappointing day.” (Hawks1961) — HOW SO? Doesn’t it depend on who replaces Teravainen? I don’t know – it’s up to Stan B. – but if this move enables signing Panarin to a long-term deal, I believe that TT can be replaced (“17 goals and 27 assists in 115 games” — and I know he was “defensively responsible”, and bounced around positions and lines, and again, I like him, but — “the BIG Picture” and what’s best for the team take precedence.) “Shaw, nothing more than a 4rth liner” – yes, but a VERY good 4th liner, and, “chemistry” isn’t easily defined or portrayed, but is a factor (- varying degrees)…maybe Shaw is a large part of that?

    Iceman — INTERESTING. I don’t see any of that happening, but good thoughts…

  66. The best hope the Hawks had of winning next year was players like TT getting better. He is only 21. That upside is now gone. Terrible. There is no justification for the move in my opinion.

  67. Canes- have some decent young talent… could be a contender- if they ever decide to Spend some money on UFA’s

    TT and Fellow Fin Aho– should be a decent combo

  68. Ouch. This hurts.

    Agree with Pete. The only chance the Hawks have to stay competitive with a large chunk of cap committed to two players is for young players to produce on cheap contracts. Teuvo is cheap for another year and probably will sign a reasonable bridge deal. And his ceiling….

    Shaw has to go. As others have pointed out, the minors are full of players with a bit of skill and lots of heart, willing to go to the net. Paying Kruger $3M makes sense. His defensive and PK abilities are worth that. This year’s PK numbers before and after his surgery are exhibit A. Paying Shaw $4M+ does not make sense. That role can be filled for the minimum salary. The drop in skill and experience in that role is not worth an extra $3.5M on a cash strapped team.

    I liked seeing Ben Smith’s name pop up. Always been a huge fan of his. The dude just wins pucks and can fill Shaw’s role as the greasy netfront guy. And probably for the minimum.

    Teuvo, however, does not have any heir apparent in the system.

  69. If Tyler Motte or one of the other college kids they’ve signed even come close to being the dynamic kids they were in school… Teravainen is just the sacrificial lamb to get rid of a big, albatross of a contract like Stephen Johns was in 2015. The Hawks are probably hoping they can get a bit of Gaudreau and Larkin out of Motte and Johnson.

    As for Shaw… paying him in the Kruger range is probably fair… Kruger is a top notch PK guy and Shaw was playing with Toews and Hossa, so comparing their offence is probably not a true litmus test. Signing Shaw for 3.33 for 4 makes sense… for being that “heart and soul” role guy.

    Weise and Flieschmann were good third line guys, and I’d love to see Ladd back too.. but the guy they missed the most last year was Oduya… The 9 and 3 model works… but without that solid #4, the Hawks were lost at times. Campbell is past his prime… signing guys just because they’ve worn the Indian Head in the past hasn’t generally worked out. Why not a guy they can get for decent coin… like a Kris Russell… or a reduced rate Hamhuis? You’ve only got a shade under $5M to play with now.

  70. The priority now is signing Panarin to a long term deal. The Hawks can’t let another young talent get away. I like Iceman’s idea of letting Shaw walk and trying to sign Ladd as long as they still have the money to sign Panarin long term and Ladd’s contract is no more than 2 years. Agree with Travis that paying 4rth liner Shaw makes no sense on a cash strapped team. The pressure will be on for at least one of the young kids to step up and turn into a scorer.

  71. Maybe someone has said this but moving Tuevo now is more about keeping Panarin than it is Shaw. It’s probably going to take 7-8 mil a year to get Panarin to sign long term (4 or more years). Even with this trade Shaw might be gone especially if the players don’t vote for the cap escalator, depending on what Shaws camp is asking for. In terms of whether keeping Shaw or Teuvo Shaw is the more stable investment. You know what he brings to the team which is 30-40 points a season and an ability to step it up in the playoffs. I don’t know what his analytics are. Teuvo is a more skilled young player that plays better with more skilled line mates. I also think Q stifled his offensive creativity this past year in an attempt to make him more defensively responsible but that is something else entirely. Teuvo may blossom into an effective 60 plus point player and that would hurt me as a fan to see almost as much as Saad doing it in Columbus but given the cap realities and the emergence of a star player like Panarin needing to get paid Teuvo became the expendable player.

  72. Bowman mentioned Schmaltz by name yesterday, saying he can provide some of the things Teravainen did offensively. Which is true. And while Bowman denied that an expansion draft played a role in moving Teravainen, one has to believe he would be at the top of the list of likely available Blackhawks for Vegas to consider next summer.

    If Teravainen comes back to haunt the Hawks, so be it. And good for him. There’s a lot of talent there, but we haven’t seen it consistently. He could end up being something special. He could also end up being Sam Gagner.

  73. Teravainen being traded has absolutely nothing to do with Shaw. TT is due for a pay raise next year and I just flat out do not see how the hell they can afford both him and Panarin. The choice is easy to me. Bickell’s money should be used for a few players to help this year (not Shaw). TT gets traded now or next year in my opinion so why not rid ourselves of Bickell while he’s here?

  74. Long term I see Teuvo signing a big contract after next season (as Carolina will always have cap space) and floating until he becomes a trade deadline acquisition down the line. He’s a great young player, but his cost next year is beyond our means. This frees up money for both Shaw and potentially Panarin. In the short term, it had to be done. Hopefully we can find a gem in the second round and bolster our prospects.

    Also, here’s a few great articles highlighting our prospects:

    https://theathletic.com/2016/06/14/blackhawks-emerging-defenseman-prospects/
    https://theathletic.com/2016/06/13/motte-schmaltz-head-blackhawks-forward-prospects-list/

  75. @ Scottie P. “What number for Panik” Can the Hawks assign 911? Someone needs to have that jersey made regardless

  76. Trading Bicks does not mean Shaw stays. Maybe for 1 year, but sorry, that money is Pararin’s next year. Not TT and not Shaw. That’s why this trade works. But they sure as shit better get Panarin signed…

  77. The last time the Hawks traded a young Finn to the Canes they got Andrew Ladd. Does that mean they keep Ladd in the offseason? I asked the magic 8-ball but the answer is unclear.

  78. Some great posts – Noonan beat me to the Blind Squirrel line but congrats to RTF for calling this one. While I have mixed emotions on the trade I ultimately agree with the move. Obviously Panarin is the top priority. His skills are clearly superior to TT. With Bread Man and Kane the Hawks have two slightly built top guys. We can’t afford another one unless he is off the charts good. TT’s frame is not going to change, he isn’t going add 20 lbs of muscle and the jury is out whether he can be a center. He also has a contract up at the end of the year so for all these reasons I am ok with him moving on. Also Schmaltz has real potential with a body type that fits better in the NHL and Hino was the biggest surprise in the organization last year. I may be crazy but I think there is a longshot that Hino could be a Tyler Johnson lite. Re: Shaw there are many who don’t seem to understand all that he brings. His net front work is as good as almost anyone in the league. His hands are outstanding, he’s tough to play against. He plays big in big games and has proven it now for several years. I’d love to see us sign him for 3 years at $3 – $3.5m per. Beyond that I start to get nervous as he has taken a lot of physical punishment over the years and I don’t know that he has a lot of years left. Hartman is not close to being a Shaw at this time and stop with the Ben Smith comments – one of the nicest guys to ever play but he isn’t going to solve any of our challenges.

  79. Straight from Mr Ladd himself,…

    The Blackhawks, with whom Ladd won a Stanley Cup in 2010, are already up against the salary cap, so they’re not really an option. But he understood that when they brought him back for a second stint.

    “Yeah, both sides kind of knew that,” said Ladd. “You’re still holding out hope that something might be able to happen to fit it in, but I think we both knew that it would be pretty difficult. So I don’t think that’s going to happen. You never say never, but both sides know it’s probably not there.”

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/42682/rumblings-ufa-ladd-unlikely-to-return-to-blackhawks-but-okposo-still-in-contact-with-isles

  80. Why is Ladd even coming up? No way in hell the Hawks can afford him. Unless they want to trade Panarin next year. Anyone game for that?

  81. I get all the possible reasons for this trade, Panarin money, Teuvo needing raise in a year, Bickell salary dump, Teuvo’s smaller frame, Teuvo’s lack of physicality/strength, Teuvo’s quiet/slightly disappointing offensive season, Teuvo’s “failure” to make his linemates (all like 20 of them I think) better on a consistent basis (not that his linemates were ever consistent. Look, I get all that and the expansion availability thing too but I still hate seeing Teuvo go. On a team spoiled with offensive Riches like Toews, Kane, Hossa (previously), and now Panarin–somehow Teuvo was still one of my favorite players to watch. It started in the World Juniors. He had a decent first year but it was his second WJ’s that blew me (and I’m guessing all the scouts) away when he led Finland as Captain and I believe no. 1 CENTER to the Championship while pacing the entire tournament with a mere 15 or 16 points in 7 games…to win the scoring race for the tournament. He was beyond dominant. He was defensively strong. He was so confident and skilled with the puck that he looked cocky, reminded me of Kane. Yes, we had 3 Kanes (the breadman having previously being called The Russian Patrick Kane) and maybe it’s not fair for one team to have that kind of ridiculousness! What most people here are overlooking is that Teuvo was only 21! How many 21 year olds of his size make a consistent impact on games (especially at center). He was learning the north America game, getting used to the increased physicality and how he can avoid checks. Not too many people worry whether Patrick Kane plays physical or engages in contact and I’m sure once Teuvo hits his stride, it will be similar. Teuvo’s passing ability is off the charts—like Kanes and like Panarin’s. Each is slightly different but cmon people, Teuvo is 21 and I’m comparing his skill set with one new star becoming a superstar and just entering his prime years and another who happens or will happen to soon be named the league MVP. Give Teuvo 2ND line center last year and he has a huge year. I’m not saying Anisimov isn’t the smarter/better option right now but I was really hoping he was just holding the spot of 2C until Teuvo was ready. Watching Teuvo center Kane and Panarin the few times I got to see it this past year was a lot of fun and watching Teuvo on the powerplay, you could see glimpses of the amazing offensive awareness and vision that he displayed in the WJ tournie where he was probably the best forward in the world at that time for his age group. I always judge people on their WJ performances as that is when the best players are all competing within their own age group (with the exception of some very exceptional 16/17 year olds). Teuvo was dominant against his peers and I think it’s only a matter of time before he regains that confidence that leads to that dominance in the NHL. He was still figuring out the NHL game but when he does, whether it’s 2 or 3 years from now (likely), watch out. I’m still going to enjoy watching him but it won’t be the same seeing him in ugh Carolina colors. Final note as this is already much longer than intended. Too many people ragging on Bickell. He was reaching his peak level in 2013, then he sustained a bunch of serious issues that compounded into long term debilitating effects. I think he would have at least reasonably lived up to his contract had he been able to stay healthy. He played a physical game and sometimes that’s the price but in his case he was never the same player and I don’t think for a second it was because he stopped trying. I can only imagine what it would be like to try and play a physical nhl game with a balance problem like vertigo or menieres. Thanks Bickell (and Teuvo—during the 2015 cup run Tampa Series) for the memories! Wishing you both better times in Carolina. Go Hawks! PS… good to see Panik back, he was great against St Louis and I think he has another level (maybe a poor man’s Hossa in a couple years?) Our (rightfully) exhausted core gets a bit of extra rest (minus World Cup in Sept) and hopefully refreshed and ready to go for #4. One Goal!

  82. Darren-insanely long paragraph but some good points–
    accusing a , 20 and then 21 yr old at 165/170 lbs of being soft is ridiculous-is his demeanor like Shaw-no. not even close, but skill is in and you need both–

    another 170 lb player (and PLEASE I’m not comparing them at all, I got to know him when I played on the same team for two summers, just as he was getting famous) was named Gretzky–he didn’t go to the dirty areas, and was in a era that allowed others to make space for him , but was so brutally talented and competitive that he did OK.
    You can’t teach hands and vision and TT is blessed with both.
    If this is the true cost of keeping Panarin, then it was necessary and we move on.

  83. Tevo will most certainly make the most of this trade,.,Canes are gonna be a fast flying speed show. Just for shits and giggles what would Tevo have done playing 18 minuets a night with Kane and Anismov , the kid would have lit it up. Yeah my spelling sucks but,.,.,.so does throwing T.T. into that shitty dump.

  84. So at this point, the Hawks have 8 forwards, 6 defenseman(not including Kempny or Rundblad) and 2 goalies under contract for roughly $ 65 million.

    So let’s assume Stan and company are done on defense.

    The Hawks need to fill 5 forward positions. With Kruger making $3 million as 3rd line center, is it either/or with Shaw ?

    If Shaw is inked for $3 million per year, that leaves painfully few bucks left for 4 forwards. I do not profess or masquerade as a cap expert, just a basic math guy.

    So Stan must find low contract players to fit 4 spots. Let’s say 2 rookies are ready, Motte and Lindberg of Kero. So then Stan has to find 2 UFA that will take a cheap one year deal to play for the Hawks. Let’s say Thomas Fleishmann and Trevor Lewis.

    While the names in the last paragraph can be switched out, the level of player appears to remain the same.

    As Stan Bowman says every time “it’s a puzzle”. None of us know where he is going to put the pieces. But I expect very minimal movement at the draft.

  85. I am sad to see Teuvo gone. I believe he has the talent to succeed in the NHL. This soft player/can’t compete argument is nonsense IMO. Can’t win Cup with “soft player” is false. Anyone with that argument watch the 2015 Cup hoisted by Teuvo? Teravainen had a disappointing 2016 round against St Louis. The list of Hawks core players that were shut down in the St Louis series was sadly a long one, yet the blame goes to 21 year old still developing both mentally and physically?

    Another cap hit depreciates the Hawks roster as quality players get moved to get rid of cap hits. That the Bicks mess ended the way it did adds insult to injury. It’s finally done.

    What this team will be moving forward is open to huge speculation. Strangely, I have no expectations at all for the upcoming season. The revolving door of players that come and go because of the cap makes it hard on on this fan having seen what this team has been and what could have been. Welcome to the cap era.

    We have been so fortunate to enjoy multiple championships in recent history. As fans all we can hope for is a chance to watch a competitive team hit ice each season. Hawks management can’t be faulted for going for it, especially at the trade deadline. Young guys coming up will get a chance to shine. Some quality added to the back line is crucial. Where that comes from I have no clue, but it has to happen.

    Shaw re-sign is important to me. He is a proven competitor with a massive heart and is not replaceable for what he brings to the rink at the cost he will be paid. If Shaw has an Achilles Heel it is the way he plays which could put him in position to sustain a severe injury. Meanwhile, I love the passion he plays with.

    Lets Go Hawks!

  86. Its comical how everyone says they should have kept TT. How? They are OVER the cap and he has 1 year left. Shaw is hard to replace, I want them to keep him. As far as Panerin next year, I see them over the cap again so I dont see how they would sign him without another major trade to get rid of a big contract. Losing Saad was a big mistake, they wouldn’t have won the cup the previous year without him.

    Their 3rd and 4th lines are way over matched because they cant afford to pay anyone.

  87. reminder: “losing” Saad was not a “mistake.” It was a necessary evil because he asked for – and got – big money coming off his ELC. If he was willing to take a shorter term bridge deal (see Shaw, Leddy, Kruger) he would undoubtedly still be here. He cashed in. Good luck in Columbus. Moving on…

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