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Blackhawks Trade Patrick Sharp To Dallas

The Chicago Blackhawks have traded veteran forward Patrick Sharp and defenseman Stephen Johns to the Dallas Stars in exchange for defenseman Trevor Daley and forward Ryan Garbutt.

Chicago will reportedly take on all of Daley’s contract (two more years at a cap hit of $3.3M) and half of Garbutt’s ($900k cap hit for two years).

We offered our thoughts on Sharp’s tenure with the Blackhawks earlier.

Daley, who will turn 32 on Oct. 9, had a break-out 2014-15 season in which he scored 16 goals and added 22 assists in only 68 games.

Garbutt, who turns 30 on Aug. 12, scored eight goals with 17 assists in 67 games with the Stars last season.

This deal is shocking on a couple levels. One, Blackhawks GM Stan Bowman hasn’t traded inside the division much since taking over the personnel decision making in Chicago. And, more importantly, the Hawks moving Johns is stunning. A big, physical defenseman, Johns figured to be a big part of the cash-strapped Hawks blue line moving forward. Now, he’s on his way to Dallas.

Bowman still has work to do. Daley coming to Chicago likely means Johnny Oduya won’t be back, but the Hawks still need to make salary disappear. The Hawks also still have too many forwards on their NHL roster, and a surplus of prospects fighting for ice time both in Chicago and Rockford.

198 thoughts on “Blackhawks Trade Patrick Sharp To Dallas

  1. head scratch- for sure….

    are they gonna give up on 27??? seems kind of sketchy- if they promised him to sit tight- and they would work him into the cap…

    or are there some more Big trades coming??? Daley??? Crow???

  2. Dallas raked Chicago over the coals because Bowman had no takers for Sharp. The inclusion of Johns as the price to be paid to move Sharp makes me sick. And adding insult to injury is that we now have Daley, who is an offensive first defenseman who can’t possibly fit the Q style of play on any level. Daley is really about as terrible as it gets in the defensive zone.

    It’s going to get worse. I’m sick thinking about it. But clearly the addition of Garbutt, the extreme surplus of forwards and the need to dump more salary means Shaw is on the block and a goner. They can’t move Bickell or Versteeg and are forced to finding a place for them in 2015-16.

  3. Maybe its time to move Cro. I love him and know how good he is, but I’d rather have Kruger and Oduya. Darling is solid.

  4. re: “time to trade Crawford” – go home, you’re drunk.

    re: Rufus’ assertion that Dallas raked the Hawks over the coals on this deal – Trevor Daley is a damn fine defenseman. An upgrade from Oduya in fact. So let’s not act like this was a giveaway; far from the Brian Campbell trade.

    I’m stunned they moved Sharp inside the division, and more surprised Stephen Johns has been moved. Especially after they already dealt Mike Paliotta. Both of those guys are going to be very good NHL defensemen.

  5. Give up Johns? Really??? I think you hit it, Rufus, Dallas raked us over the coals because of our shitty cap situation. They get a great forward and a top future d-man and we get two guys who don’t fit. AND, we have to face them in our division. Unbelievable. Somebody tell me how this trade is good. I’m all ears.

  6. Losing Sharp sucks. This trade does not look good right now IMO. I wasn’t too upset wigh the Saad trade – mainly because of the return and the possibility of keeping Sharpy on board.

    The return consists of a grinding forward, cross between Shaw and Cooke (gross). Daley is lost in his zone many times according to Stars fans.

    Good news they both can fly on the sky. Remember the first game last year in Dallas when we looked a step slow? These guys were major reasons why.

    Like Tab, more forwards need to go to clear the logjam. Some combination of Morin, Bickell, Tropp, Versteeg need to go (preferably the first three). That would leave us with:



    Too many right wingers. Bad depth at LW. D would be good though if we can shed salary.

    Losing Johns is unfathomable in this deal.

  7. Daley is an upgrade from Oduya when he’s healthy.

    I don’t have two flying f***s for Garbutt and couldn’t care less if he ever wears the Indian Head. And I’ve been banging the drum to see Johns in Chicago for 5 years. So I’m heartbroken that he’s gone.

    but there are a LOT of moving pieces still in play here. as I wrote above, Bowman still has plenty of work to do.

  8. Will miss Sharp a lot…he seemed to help keep the team level during hard times. I hope we see him back in 2 years. Wish him nothing but the best in Dallas!

  9. Any ideas on who replaces Sharps roles throughout the lineup?

    Top line LW? Probably Panarin but we can’t expect much at first.

    Point of the PP? Possibly Daley or Teuvo.

    Third shooter in Shootouts (not as prominent with 3-3 OT)? Teuvo is the best bet.

    Any others thoughts would be appreciated.

  10. When I saw the name Johns come up on my phone, I gasped. My stomach hurts as much as it did when the Saad news broke, I feel like we just got sucker punched. I was ready for Sharp, but Johns baffles me; it will take a few days for this one to settle in.

  11. speculation – at least 3 more forwards have to go off the NHL roster, both for salary cap and roster limit purposes. how Tropp, Morin, Garbutt make this team I honestly don’t know…

    re: LW – w/ Anisimov in camp, maybe Teravainen stays a wing? Shaw? Dano?

  12. Losing Sharp hurts but Rufus always has overestimated Johns’ value. A mediocre skater, would never be better than a 3rd pair guy. Watched Rockford many times, this guy was out of position more times than Clendening. And for a big guy, not that intimidating.

    If Bickell goes, you resign Kruger and sign Erhoff for 1 season. That’s your 2016 Hawks

  13. I hate the G*Damn salary cap. It will be difficult to watch Johns develop into a bruising Dman within the division, thats for sure. I don’t know what Stan has up his sleeve, but I can’t say I like this trade. And please stop with the trade Crow talk, Scott Darling is a very fine backup, but he is not a starter. The Hawks would be in serious trouble if they trade Crawford, don’t be fooled by Wall and all the other Crawford doubters, I don’t care about the cap hit that Crow brings, two-time cup winning goalies are few and far between and don’t come cheap.

  14. Then it’s decided: Tropp, Morin, and Garbutt must be sent to the Island of Misfit Toys.

  15. Trading Crawford would be a huge mistake. He’s in his prime and has proven himself with two SC rings. Darling is a gamble and who backs him up? I’m not sure Sharp will regain his scoring touch in Dallas and may even revert to his Philly days. Not such a big loss in my opinion.

  16. I must say SB has some large nuts to make this trade in the division. If it goes south he will be hammered, if it goes well we remain very competitive next year. The organization must have agreed that trying to remain as competitive as possible during the prime years of 19 and 88 (and before possibly losing 7 next year) outweighed giving up a very talented prospect. Clearly SB is not done trading with all the forwards still on the roster. We will buckle our seatbelts and hope the flight ends with a smooth landing.

  17. I can’t prove it but I think Stan had a chance to move Sharp before the draft for a first round pick. I think he got greedy and said no. He overestimated what he could get for 10. I think that set in motion some panicky moves. I think losing Saad was a big mistake. He will be a star in this league. Dano is the only positive of that trade. But how much time will Dano and Panarin get with the log jam of mediocre forwards Stan traded for. Big mistake losing Johns and Paliotta. Two more panicky moves. Tough off season for Stan so far. I am not impressed. Unless there are some positive moves coming this looks likes very disappointing off season.

  18. Losing Johns was a body blow for me. He is going to be a rock solid and physical blueliner in this league. But Bowman had no choice apparently as the price to be paid to move Sharp.

    Tab, you best do your homework on Daley because he is brutally bad in the defensive zone. You are off your rocker nuts if you think he is upgrade over Oduya. Daley cannot possibly make Quenneville happy. But again Dallas had Stan Bowman bent over and took full and complete advantage of our salary cap misery.

    Also, I have to believe that Bowman and Q will try to reinvent Garbutt. He is the king of hockey douche bags BUT he can flat out skate and is highly defensively responsible. I hate the mofo, but he does have tangible skill.

  19. re: Rufus – Oh, now we’re all jumping on the Johnny Oduya bandwagon after everyone here was willing to personally pack his bags & pay for air fare in March? He had a magnificent playoff run, but let’s not suddenly act like his regular season was worth writing home about…

  20. Sharp ah good riddence, this move should have been done 2 yrs away now. Im not going to go nuts over Johns, but what i will say is in 3 years this teams blue line will be a f’ing dumpster fire. More young talent out the door.

  21. Agree with Tab that Daley is an upgrade over Oduya:

    2 years younger
    Will be at least 1 mill cheaper than Oduya
    Has a better version of stats than Oduya did before he came to the Hawks
    A good power play asset
    Good penalty killer

    Will make plenty of bonehead plays in his own end (kinda like 27)

    If Stan can work a miracle and dump both Bickell and Versteeg, than the Hawks have enough money for Kruger and Oduya. That moves Daley to 3rd pair to fill the Leddy role and the Hawks will be set for a big year.

  22. To those saying we could have traded Sharp (or Saad) for a draft pick or picks you are clearly missing the point – the Hawks do not want assets that won’t contribute for many years they are trying to maintain a dynasty. It is a slippery slope but we’ve proven we can do it so why change the strategy at this point. There is no doubt that the challenge to Q and his staff next year will huge with all this roster change.

  23. Tab, I will respectfully disagree that Daley is an upgrade over Oduya. Daley is better offensively than Oduya, no doubt about that and he can skate very well, but Oduya is better defensively. Now maybe Daley thrives in Q’s system of mobile puck moving d-men, just like Oduya did, but that remains to be seen. At this point, from what I’ve seen, Daley is not very good in his own end.

    And yeah it sucks to have to throw Johns into the trade to sweeten the deal and then net only $2.5M cap savings. But this is the position Stan put himself in by trying to win the trade back in June instead of realizing his mission was to shed maximum salary. This is the second year he made the same miscalculation and it cost the Hawks. Hopefully this second time finally teaches him the lesson so that we’re not right back in the same boat next summer.

    And yeah, another trade or two has to happen and they will probably be less popular than this one. The cruel reality of the salary cap and a GM that over values his players.

    But, when everything is all said and done. The Hawks will ice a pretty good team for 2015/16. Lets hope somehow that Shaw, Crawford, Seabrook and Kruger are all on the roster.

  24. Bowman could have traded Sharp to East Conf team for entire cap relief and no players or minor leaguers. Would have had entire $5.9M to utilize fully; instead, has apprxly $1.9M to utilize (b/c took players back). The sole purpose in trading Sharp was for cap relief and provide room for further moves. Accordingly, this is a poor trade. PS. Let s not forget — once again the “we must sign Russian center to long term contract ASAP” also hurts re: Seabrook extension.

  25. RTF – Garbutt wasn’t even the King of douchebags on the Stars – that honor went to Roussel although Garbutt clearly made the douchebag all-star team. I agree that playing for Q will give him a chance to turn his career around – he definitely has upside given his skills.

  26. Teams are going to take advantage of the Hawks for now. They know that the Hawks have a ton of young talent and that they can get some of that talent if they take Bickel in a trade. I think Versteeg can be traded without any incentive just because he is not making $4mil a year.

    In the back of my mind I keep thinking that we may have to give up Shawzy.

  27. Definitely agree with you MS – the time is now. Stan is trying to orchestrate trades that help this team for the upcoming year, perhaps Johns was more of a future impact player and Daley may be more ready to help this year. Does anyone think that Shaw is likely to be traded as RTF suggested? I would be more than shocked if Stan sent Shawsy out of town.

  28. WOW, not sure how this board will spin this, but not good for the Hawks and seems liked a rushed deal. Really had hoped that Sharp and Johns could have brought at least ONE GOOD SOILD BIG D-MAN. Smells like Johnny O is now gone . . . not a huge lose but a lose for sure. I wish is was BICK instead os Sharp. But thats the CAP!

    Sharp will be missed he was a great scorer and a guy who did whatever Q asked, and he was moved around up and down on lots of line combinations and still played hard.

  29. I know I’m a softy who “falls in love” with Hawks players – heart over head too much of the time – but I gotta say that I hope G-butt doesn’t take Shaw’s spot. Shaw is a heart and soul guy that I would hate to see leave.

    If Stan has to use another sweetener to move Versteeg or Bickell, I hope it’s one of the Icehogs on the last year of their ELC – like Danault or McNeill rather than Shaw.

  30. Don’t bash or praise Johnny O . . . he was an above average d-man when healthy, he is and was “Expendable” Hawks have about 7 guys who are not “expendable” they lost only one Saad so far. Long season coming!

  31. Johns Value? Is this a crack house? 90% of these kids stay in the AHL Johns future was very and is very uncertain. Speculation in the NHL is “Stupid” in the NBA or NFL ya can sort guess the NHL no way . . .AHL is not even on balance with University of Maine Hockey! My team out here, born raised CHI but living here in Maine, but point is, it soooo hard to speculate. TVR is a god damn project next year!

  32. This trade blows! I cant believe how SB has taken a blue line that was a strenght and litterally got NOTHING for it & had to throw in Saad and Sharp, holy crap!

    swallow hard Hawks fans its gonna be a rough 15-16 yikes! Seabs 30, Keith 31, Hammer 28, and still skating a 3rd pair of TVR and Runblad omg help us all. F´ing Sharp!

  33. Hawks1961, “losing Saad was a big mistake. He will be a star in this league. Dano is the only positive of that trade.” — I don’t know…Anisimov is a pretty good player and may work out well with Kane?

    RTF, “Johns…going to be a rock solid and physical blueliner in this league.” — maybe, but who really knows? There were some here who didn’t think Teravainen would be good or even “fit” in Chicago.

    Tab, “Johnny Oduya…had a magnificent playoff run, but let’s not suddenly act like his regular season was worth writing home about” — “Very well put”!! As I said, if there was an award for “FAR Exceeded Expectations” (in the post season), my “unanimous” was Oduya. If Bowman screwed-over 27 that’s bad business, but it is “a business”? Maybe (Read: “LIKELY”) there will be more moves – SB has collected several possible “throw-ins”. (Bickell and Versteeg next?)

    I still believe Stan Bowman knows what he’s doing. GO HAWKS!!

  34. Typical Hawk fan:

    Yea Stan is a terrible GM. Only 3 Cups in 6 seasons. Why hasn’t he won 6 cups. Fire the clown right now!

    P.S. Hate to see Johns go but the Hawks do have a large number of Swedish dmen in the pipeline which they are high on. Time will tell.

  35. Giving away our young d-men as we have…seems like bad business to me. We’ll see if it helps or haunts us. I’m leaning toward the latter right now.

  36. Random thoughts:

    1. Garbutt is one nasty piece of work. King of the cross check and slash. Very volatile guy. More importantly, where does he fit in?

    2. I think Oduya is gone. Figure Daley will be 4th DMan paired with NH. Willing to bet that Bowman will get a veteran Roszival type to play on third pairing with either TVR or Rundblad.

    3. Q is in love with TVR and likes Rundblad a lot. Don’t ask me why. Made Johns expendable, however. Believe that Pokka has best potential of any DMan at Rockford.
    After him the cupboard is pretty bare in my opinion.

    4. Mystery to me is who is going to replace Sharp on Johnny’s line. I was thinking Panarin would be with Anismov. Maybe not now.

  37. Shaw has got to be out the door next. And when that happens I will be very unhappy. But really if you look at rhe predicament it has to be Shaw who is gone next. And I think Garbutt just made Shaw sorta expendable in rhe eyes of Bowman. I do not agree on any level. Fu(king salary cap. And my wife will be devastated if Shaw is gone too. Woman knows her hockey too.

  38. Stan said that this was an old time hockey trade. He wasn’t interested in futures like draft picks. He wanted to improve the team and give it the best chance to win another Cup. With the key members of the core coming back he needs to surround them with NHL type players not AHL type players who might or might not work out (Johns, etc). Adding AA, Dano, Daley and Garbutt is a great way to add key pieces that will help the core players deliver another Cup.

    P.S. A lot of hawk fans over estimate the existing hawk players and under estimate players on other teams. Daley is a very key addition. There are not many dmen who can skate like him or who score 16 goals in only 68 games. The Bowmans prioritize dmen about all else. Here’s an article that explains what really is important to winning Cups.


  39. On paper I like this team better than last years. Everyone knew when the Hawks signed Paranin that Sharp was out. I see him moving up to the the first line now that Saad and Sharp are gone. Honestly I think his production will probably be as good as Saad in that spot. I’m happy with Versteeg on line 2 with Anisimov and Kane. He was good in the first half of the year and the playoffs, and hopefully can stay healthy all year. Probably Tikhonov with Danu and TT on line 3, and if there is cap room now for Kruger then the 4th line will be really good again with Dejardins and Shaw. TVR moves up to top 4 defensemen and Daley will be an improvement over Rosival and can play with Ville Pokka who I think management was higher on than Johns. Obviously goaltending is solid. This team looks pretty good to me and I think will have a chance to go for the cup again.

  40. So lets remember a few things about this offseason.
    Saads agent, or Saad even though we might not want to admit it, priced him out of Chicago. I think we can all agree hes a good player, hes not a six million dollar good player though, and I’m willing to bet his production was boosted by playing with the best top two lines in the NHL right now. Yes it sucks to lose him but lets see how he does when he doesn’t have the silver spoon feeding him. His challenge this year will be scoring when hes ‘the guy’ the other team is looking at, you don’t have that problem when your linemates are some combination of Toews, Kane, Hossa.

    Losing Sharp was inevitable and I think everyone knew it, whether they wanted to admit it or not was another story. Hes a great guy on and off the ice, but hes getting to the point in his career where hes going to be nurturing younger players which the hawks have Hossa for. His production fell off which made him expendable, if he was still putting up 60 points a year we are probably having a different discussion.

    Stan just screwed the pooch on Bickell, four million for a guy that doesn’t perform in the regular season isn’t the right price unless that guy is a playoff savant and is a 2 point a night guy.

    Hawks are going to have some tough seas to navigate but they still have an amazing forward core, solid top four playing d, and a goalie who gets way more shit then he deserves. This team has some project guys that they will need to work on but so does every other team in the league. I think the perception that the idea for the hawks to try and put together the best team while Toews and Kane are in their prime is spot on.

    This team will never be like the 90s bulls where they are just running teams over on their way to the championships, but lets remember they were 1 goal away from what could’ve been 4 cups in 6 years and 3 cups in a row. I wouldn’t be surprised to see more guys like Richards come to Chicago to be part of a culture of winning and success.

    Just remember we still have a solid 6-7 years with 19 and 88 as the centerpieces and the cap will just keep going up.

  41. So Daley had 16 goals from the left point this past season. Pretty impressive. The Hockey News 2014/2015 yearbook had him as Dallas’s #2 defenseman.
    Garbutt had 17 goals, two years ago and plays with tremendous snarl.

    Sharp was gone no matter what. since the draft came and went with no trade, everybody agreed that the Hawks would have to put something in the deal such as a Mark McNeil to get a team to take him. It turned out to be Johns, that is a tough pill to swallow, especially if he turns out to be a thumper.

    I am amazed at all the sentimental feelings going out to Sharp tonight seeing that fans were very quick, if not, eager to jump on rumors about him and his personal life dating back to last year before the Hawks losing to the Kings. It appeared on the ice, a lot of commaradarie was gone.
    Most people got what they expected tonight, Sharp is gone.
    It’s just too bad the prospect wasn’t Calle Dahlstrom or Dillon Fournier thrown in the deal.

  42. Feeds, I agree totally with your comments. I actually think there are less question marks now on this team than last years team before the season started. re who the enforcer on the 4th line was going to be, and who are the 5th and 6th defensmen? My guess is Bickell gets shipped out somewhere now for draft choices or prospects and the Hawks pay 50% of his salary.

  43. OK, a few hours have passed and clearer thinking breaks through the fog of passionate reaction. I can’t say I “like” this trade, for several reasons, but I can see the big picture a little better now and I do like that the log jam was finally broken. And even the particulars of the trade aren’t really all that bad if each piece is looked at individually. Sharp needed to be traded – he was. Oduya needed to be re-signed – Daley takes his place and whether you think one is better than the other, they’re really not that far apart. Johns may turn out to be a very good d-man, but it’s the price it costs to get the trade done. Garbutt is a jerkwad but he skates and hits and now he’s our jerkwad so that’s not all bad.

    So the sun will rise tomorrow. Stan did what he needed to do. He’s got more work to do but the fact he did this takes a load off my mind and my confidence in his ability to do whatever it takes to keep the Hawks a winner has been restored.

  44. …..hope Im wrong again…..but this trade sucks…..dont know how things will unfold in the next season but Sharp is a heart and soul type of player of a championship team…it will be hard to replace him along with Saad and might be the turning point in a significant downturn of Blackhawk success…a sad day indeed…..

  45. On the upside, we get a man at a needed position who should be entering his prime, for a guy who is declining. On the downside, we lost Sharp and Saad already this offseason. That blows. By the way, I’ve been promoted to the rank of Captain Obvious.

    Stan is playing all in for next year, inferring from his interview reported on NHL.com. His moves are certainly consistent with that intention, given the salary turd he is trying to polish. So it either works or it doesn’t. And with that… Admiral Obvious.

  46. I kind of figured that Bowman would have to sweeten a deal to move Sharpy, but was worried that Kruger might be included. At least that didn’t happen, and I am glad of it. Yes, Johns sure seemed to have a potentially bright future in the NHl, but that was deal maker for Dallas. We should not judge Daley’s defensive merits based his recent years in Dallas which really did not play very good defensive hockey as a team. Q will see to it that Daley plays responsibly, and for sure the guy will add some offensive fire power from the point.

    Garbutt can play, and is of course a class A bad ass on the ice. I somehow think maybe Bowman trades him out to help move Bickell. And what of 27 and 16? I think Oduya is gone, but I would love if he could stay. There just isn’t enough space under the cap to leave things as they are if I am not mistaken.

    RTF, I think Shaw is here to stay. He does so many things to help the Hawks, and right now the price is right. Like you said though I would be really crushed if he were to be moved. He is one of my favorite players on this team, and I have been proud to sport a red Hawks t shirt with Shaw 65 on the back now for 3 years.

    Bowman isn’t done yet, but so far the offseason moves have not left me feeling like a big purge has yet taken place. The Saad trade was a surprise, but I like the guys we took from the Jackets. Saad’s agent blew the whole thing up with the high ball offer and the years desired. This is after all a business. Sharp was no surprise to be moved due to age and money.

    As I said after the boys raised the Cup at the UC, I felt some sadness mixed with elation that this team would not stay intact. It’s the cap that will make it very difficult for teams to stay dominant for many years. That the Hawks have been so competitive for roughly 7 years says much about the quality of the “organeyezation” and their commitment to win, as well as the classy way in which they operate. Things are still pointed in a very positive direction, and we have many reasons to be proud of this team looking back and forward. These are the best of times in our lives as Hawks fans. The glow remains from this past season, unlike the depression I felt last summer that went on for months following the devastating loss to LA.

    Lets Go Hawks!

  47. I think if there was Morin/McNeill/Pokka instead of Johns in this deal everybody did cheer to Bowman. Now I´m not sure. Daley is better that Oduya by numbers, should fit into Hawks system, Wear A in Dallas, that mean he is leader too.
    Bowman get rit of his best 4 youn defenseman during 14/15 and off season, strange attitude.
    John was not invited to prospect camp, same for Danault, does it means something? (Montreal?) I can imagine to trade Versteeg + Danault to Montreal for better prospect like Tinordi.
    Garbutt is tough as a nail, but I still hope to keep Shaw, he´s sparkle that Hawks bench needed.

  48. I’m reading a lot of crazy stuff in here. What’s the matter ? Why all this paranoia ?
    It’s like this is your first NHL offseason.
    Bottom line is that Dano, Anisimov, Dailey, Garbutt are all good players, who might become great with the Hawks. If they’re not moved before that as the Blackhawks have now an excess of assets who might be part of other similar cap space motivated deals.

    Patience guys, patience. It’s too early to have a clear picture of what the Blackhawks will look like this season o next season.

    PS: Anisimov is the real deal. He’s a great piece for the Blackhawks. He was re-signed because it would have cost a looot more this time next year. It doesn’t affect Seabrook’s contract, just like Garbutt doesn’t affect Shaw’s contract. Those guys are up next season…meaning 1 million things can happen until them. Stop the nonsense…please…thanks.

  49. One thing that no one has mentioned here. Pp wasn’t very good for long stretches and with Daley here playing one of the points vs sharp I think we get a big upgrade.

  50. shaacul-
    Trevor van Riemsdyk is the best young Hawks defenseman. He was re-signed a couple of days ago.

  51. I thinking this is for the best for now. Sharp is good but he’s not worth 5,9 imo.
    And about the players coming to the hawks, bowman is not stupid. He’s in the top of the league at finding players to match our system. I have full confidence in that he knows what he’s getting back. Including someone cap space.

    Saad and Sharp Will be missed for sure. But 2009/10 we lost more player that contributed to the Triumph than we have done now. Nothing we can do about it but I know that hawks will continue to contend for the stanley.

    I hope that bowman manage to ship away bickell and versteeg. We need to keep at least krüger but oduya would be a bonus for sure!

    Hossa is getting older. I hope dano can develop into a new hossa-type, hopefully give some glimts thats the case this season. Then maybe bowman can get a deal done to ship away him for a good young talent and liberate some capspace for Seabrook.

    87 days left now!

  52. So this was a “win now” move and also a try and maximize Keith’s mileage the next two years.

    A piece missing last year was another defender who could get out of trouble with their feet and push the play so now another hole has been filled.

    Daley also has a bomb of a shot and can run a PP which is always helpful.

    Having Johns in there is weird and they still have salary to move. Could be a crazy weekend.

  53. For me, it makes a lot of sense envisioning a Panarin-Anisimov-Dano third line. At least initially. Let the youngsters soak in what’s what under the guidance of Asimomov which whom they’re both connected.
    Start from there.

  54. Congrats for Sharp. Dallas is good organization and they have a great, young team with some outstanding talent.
    Their lack if depth at D and Lehtonen’s shaky play had hurt their playoff chances.

    Now with a cup veteran, a good young D man and Niemi in net, they aren’t going to go away that easy.

    What the hell is with all of the anti-Sharp rhetoric?? The guy had multiple good seasons in a row, followed by a herculean effort in 13-14! He has a waning year as he’s getting older and everyone is saying “Fuck Sharp.”
    Calm down man. Celebrate his contribution.

    As everyone said already, losing Johns was a low blow. He’ll be missed.

  55. Daley is a wreck in the defensive zone. I remain dumbfounded on how he works in Chicago. Oduya was / is way more defensively responsible then Daley has ever been.

    My assumption is that Bickell is staying and now the Hawks need to find a role for the $4 M albatross. He might go all the way up to being on the Toews Hossa line.

    Shaw is surely gone next out of financial necessity. Which is going to be crushing for me to reconcile. Kruger is still a longshot to come back too because they may turn now to Danault in that role, again because of financial necessity.

  56. Hawks are now to overloaded with bottom six players, some pieces must be trade.
    Re DumDum – Johns was best D prospect out of NHL and mostly is big and strong as anybody in the system. Hawks need this type od D to replace Rozsival.

  57. Defencce, at lieast at the paper:
    Keith (LD) – Seabrook (RD)
    Hjalmarsson (LD) – TRV (RD)
    Daley (LD) – Rundblad (RD)/Pokka(RD)

  58. shaacul-
    He might have been the best D prospect out of AHL, big and strong and from the system…but he wasn’t the ‘best young defensman’ the Hawks had.
    That position is taken by Trevor van Riemsdyk.
    That’s not to say losing Jhons isn’t a blow and a negative situation, but lets not get overboard.

    The real problem isn’t losing Johns per se, but the idea that you had to include your best D prospect in order to move Sharp. That’s a signal to everybody, so moving Bickell just went to a new dimension. What’s it gonna take to get that done !? Right ?

  59. Thx Sharpie. Sad to see you go, but it had to happen. I am more upset Johns is gone. I actuslly don’t see the defensive prospect depth that we talked about last summer.

    Sorry guys, I am not thrilled with TVR. I keep seeing him dogging it in the playoffs and hearing Milbury say essentially that he needs to move his ass on the play.

  60. Booman-
    You don’t need to be thrilled with TVR and neither is Milbury. Coach Q is and that’s all that matters. He’s the real deal it’s obvious.
    I also really liked Johns when he played in the NHL last year, but what can you do ? It’s all about the cap space.

  61. How soon we forget. Sharp was worthless this year – other than being at the top of the league for shots attempted (and missed). Not only that, his leadership role (along with his hockey IQ) went from being solid to poisonous after he screwed another core teammates wife (allegedly).

    He had maybe 2 decent games throughout the entire playoffs – other than those he was anemic at best.

    Hate to give up Johns but this just shows how much the Hawks wanted he and his $6mil a year gone. Can’t blame Stan – it was Sharp’s fall from grace that cost us Johns.

    Thanks for the memories Sharpie – and good riddance.

  62. The new NHL-and we must trust in SB and his crew.
    I too, wanted to see Johns kept-for two reasons-1. it would be ice to have a developed D person-with an edge and size (perhaps they don’t value his skating?) and now two key college guys are gone as chips and this may/will hurt the chances of getting others in the future? The better ones have bargaining provisions put into their agreements, at least verbally.
    I worked in baseball for a major league team and young chips are moved all the time and it’s hard to see them go but it’s part of the reality of that sport.
    One thing for sure this team will look very different next year.

  63. Read Bleacher’s column on the trade. They say Hawks accomplished a lot with both Sharp and Saad and that they should still be SC contenders…..even favorites.

    The column blamed Daley’s lack of defense on Lindy Ruff’s desire to get more offense from the back end. What I thought was telling is that Dallas has lots of offense and really shaky defense.

  64. Like everyone here, this trade stinks. But what’s done is done. I gotta add one thing. With Dallas retaining half of Garbutt’s deal and bringing his hit to 900. The hawks can send him to Rockford with no cap ramifications on the big club.

  65. Just a thought. If the goal was initially to get rid of Sharp’s 6 million cap hit to retain oduya and Kruger, why wouldn’t Stan now attempt to move Daley, a top pairing puck moving defenseman at 3.3 million ?

    Sounds like a much easier sell than Sharp’s albatross deal.

  66. One of the things I enjoy most about this board is getting a different perspective on these moves. I watch nearly all of the Hawks games but very few of other teams. So while I was initially dismayed at the Saad trade this group helped talk me down by noting the value of the pieces coming back. None were the level of Saad but also not a bunch of scrubs either.

    Seems to be the case here as well. If I remember correctly Oduya was no great shakes with the Jets but he comes to the Hawks and his game turns the corner. Possible the same will happen with Daley. If Garbutt can tone down the lunacy and focus on contributing he could be a solid role player as well.

    Johns is the one that hurt. Others have mentioned the other defensive prospects the Hawks have given up on – Stanton, Clendenning namely but what have they done? Not much. Maybe this move opens up more room for the Seabs extension. There’s definitely at least one more move. Aside from Shaw and Pokka what other bait do we have to dangle aside from guys we just acquired? TT but can’t imagine giving him away althgh that’s what it might take to get rid of Bickell. While these moves probably work in keeping us competitive in the short term, it’s definitely making the team older. And so it goes. Phil you were right to be nostalgic.

  67. Everybody has covered most everything already, so just want to say maybe after the original shock we might like this more although I am sad that Johns went also. To add I was watching a show about the Islanders 4 year cup reign and they mentioned that 16 players were on all 4 of those teams, just goes to show how challenging it is these days to keep things rolling for Stan. I assume a little more to come and I would bet against Oduya coming back, my 2 cents. Also with 3 cups in 6 years I don’t need anybody to tell me this is a dynasty, I just know we have been blessed watching great hockey so far.

  68. Bickell can’t be traded. So I guess maybe you put him up on the Toews Hossa line.

    Shaw will be traded barring a miracle and this is what shall piss me off the most. Garbutt and DesJardins will be counted upon to fill the gap.

    Versteeg is probably staying too. Probably to play with Asmisinov and Kane by default.

    Bowman absolutely must add a blueliner and that means Kruger is very doubtful coming back now. Danault will be his shot I guess.

    I remain stunned and dumbfounded how Daley possibly fits. He cannot play in the defensive zone and makes Runblad look like Keith in this regard. van Riemsdyk is a nothing special 6/7 defenseman and some of you are WAY guilty of thinking he will be important.

    Losing Johns and Paliotta is crushing. There is really no other charitable way to say it. Can’t sugarcoat these losses. But the rest of the league has the Blackhawks bent over the table on any trades right now. The Dallas trade was a massive victory for Dallas. They don’t even want Daley anymore because they know the severity of his issues in the defensive zone. Maybe just maybe we can coax the clear two way ability out of what is otherwise human feces on ice in Garbutt.

  69. We All need to breathe! Like Tab has been saying, more pieces need to be moved. Q will have a big challenge, but obviously he’ll be up to it, and it is going to be a fun season….. Mark my words!

  70. I liked Sharp but knew he was gone in all likelihood. I also know that Bickell has to go as well………so we’d all better buckle up. Like has been said multiple times, Stan’s work is not done.
    Therefore….whatever Stan does next, and them maybe next after that, is going to bring more debate. There could be more blockbusters/head scratchers on the way!

  71. Bickell isn’t leaving. If it took adding Johns and taking in two dubious players from Dallas to move Sharp and his $5.9 M per contract then that seals it for Bickell. The albatross is here for another season and Bowman is forced to move somebody else.

  72. Dumdum. Good points, especially on Anisimov. Next year at this time everyone will be saying thank God Stan signed him to an extension. And you’re right the sky is falling group is out in force! Never too early for them to over react!

  73. Phew…I’m exhausted reading all this. Hoping Tab saves this long page of laments, fear, and panic to post next year when the Hawks raise the Cup and everyone celebrates the masterminds that are Stan and Q. Or will it just be luck again for the 4th time in 7 years. Hope you guys are all taking your Nitro-Glycerin. Offseason heart attacks are the deadliest!

  74. If they keep Daley he’ll be a good player for the Blackhawks. It’ll take some adjustment and he’ll need to fit into the system, but he can skate. The uptick in his offensive numbers can partly be attributed to Lindy Ruff encouraging him to jump into the play more, he won’t do as much of that here but he will help on the power play, which has been a sort spot. I’ve watched him play a lot over the years, probably like many of you, and I do not agree with the “disaster in his own end” dialogue. He’ll make the odd mistake but he’s no worse than Oduya.

    As for Garbutt I have no quibble with his acquisition, he is hard to play against. His biggest issue will be not going over the line. Would’ve preferred they landed Roussel but oh well.

    Right now they have too many forwards so they can trade from that surplus.

    The next moves I think are deciding on Oduya and Kruger.

    As for young defensemen in the system, a name to watch is Robin Press. A right handed shot, he was a very pleasant surprise for the Ice Hogs in the playoff games he got into. Big guy, competes, and has a very steady game. When Bowman referred to the young Swedish defensemen on the trade call last night, I am quite cure Press was one of the guys he had in mind.

  75. And Rufus, just for the record, you’re the guy who said the Blackhawks wouldn’t go far in the playoffs (the phrase “one and done” comes to mind) and you were also dead wrong about Terevainen.

    So maybe some of your doomsday predictions should be taken with a grain of salt.

  76. At some level it is funny to read comments from people that want to second-guess the Hawks organizational decision making. You’re watching maybe the best pro team in all of sports operate and think you know better than they do about continued success. Too Funny. That being said, Sharp will always be considered a great Hawk and Saad decided to leave. Have fun in Columbus but one day 22 yr olds learn that life is about more than cash despite what their dad and agent tell them.

  77. DumDum, “makes a lot of sense envisioning a Panarin-Anisimov-Dano third line.” — how ’bout Panarin-Anisimov-Kane?

    Chevrier, “TT but can’t imagine giving him away althgh that’s what it might take to get rid of Bickell.” — “The probability of…is a million and a half to one…the probability of…it’s in the billions! It cannot happen, would not happen…” – Sam “Ace” Rothstein

    RTF, “Bickell can’t be traded…Shaw will be traded…Versteeg is probably staying too…Kruger is very doubtful coming back now” — Sunshine, Lollipops, and Rainbows!! and more than a hint of clairvoyance. Daley may be able to play defense in the Hawks system(?) and may help the PP. “Losing Johns and Paliotta is crushing” – Chicago just won the Cup without either…Bowman seems to be committed to going for it again in 2016, so maybe these moves aren’t that bad? Maybe they rate Pokka, Forsling, Soderberg (or whoever) better prospects? It ain’t all bad.

    And, SB probably hasn’t finished dealing…

  78. @Hofmeister…………I have to say I cringed when I read that you would have rather the Blackhawks acquire Roussel ! :) That might have sent me screaming into the street. That guy always needs a punch in the yap. I don’t have any stats on hand to back it up, but he might have made it really hard on the PK unit.

    Here’s to hoping that Kruger and Shaw both are retained during this period of “instability”, and that somehow Bickell can still be moved. Oduya probably has to be set free now. Although it’s somewhat worrisome for us fans, the problems that the Blackhawks have are actually good ones – if you have too many good players, you’re very likely to field a good squad no matter what. I think a lot of us forget that at times.

  79. Rufus…….. Yikes!!!!

    Come on man stop being such a doom-n-gloomer it’s not good for your health!

  80. I read somewhere that Daley had hip surgery. Anyone know about that issue and how concerning? My gut tells me that trading Sharp, Bickell and Versteeg for the best draft picks possible was/is preferable, but I also don’t know much about these two players from Dallas other than what is posted here. Based upon the posts it would seem that IF they can still sign Oduya and Kruger and dump Bickel and Versteeg for picks(however low) then that might work well. Does another prospect have to be added to move Bickel and his salary? Danault? (to Florida for pick(s)) It is fun to speculate on this stuff. Despite the pressure I think Bowman has an awesome job.

  81. Why not pick up a large portion of Bickell’s salary in order to trade him? Even if we only shed $1 million instead of his $4 million, isn’t that still better than being stuck with unproductive him and his fat cap hit? Maybe that bit of cap breathing space would get us room to lock in Kruger?

  82. Rufus T Firefly-
    If Johns is better than von Riemsdyk how come the coaching staff blatantly chose the latter even as he was years behind in regard to the system.

    Dickie Dunn
    It makes sense for me to envision a Panarin-Anisimov-Dano 3rd line instead of a Panarin-Anisimov-Kane 2nd line for many reasons. Mostly being that Dano-Anisimov have already played a lot together. There’s already a certain degree of knowledge between the 2. I also think -from what type of player I gather Penarin is- that line perfect as they all fit with each other.
    I also wouldn’t put 2 new players on the 2nd line. I also think Coach Q likes to give Kane different team mates, different looks, he doesn’t like to lock him into set lines.
    As I said before, I’d like that 3rd line to start with. Then Coach Q will change as he masterfully does every time.

    I’ve watched 2 CBJ last week…against the Hawks and the Capitals. Anisimov has some mad skills and brains. He’s also adaptable as I’ve seen him play RW(Hawks), LW-C (Capitals) in only those 2 games. He was a wing on the Dubinsky line. Responsable defensively shown by the fact he was on the No. 1 PK unit…again with Dubinsky.

    My instinct (very amateurish view) tells me he’ll fit perfectly in Chicago. I suppose the also Hawks think that seeing that accelerated extension they gave him.

  83. DD, I fully expect a Kane-Anisimov-Panarin second line. Issue to me is who plays LW on first line. Candidates are Teuvo, Versteeg, and Bickell (Yikes! Check that. Double-Yikes!). Panarin could be in the mix also but Johnny doesn’t know how to say “get to the front of the net” in Russian.

    I would vote for Versteeg. Don’t understand why fans want to make him a salary cap casualty. Was very good before he got injured last year. Very plausible could be a 20 goal scorer on first line if stays healthy. Not bad for a $2.2M cap hit.

    Here’s a thought. If they can’t move Bickell put him where he is best suited in my opinion- the checking line with Kruger and Shaw. Then deal Desjardin and Garbutt both. That’s $1.7M in cap relief. About the same they got from the Sharp trade.

  84. Can we all agree that at least SOMETHING happened and that is better than checking in several times a day over the past couple weeks and nuttin. Paraphrasing Stan’s post trade comment that “we’re getting closer to having our team” says that more change is to come. Now that the first shoe has dropped, and the Hawks are under the Cap, I can be less impatient waiting for the next move(s).

  85. Rufus’ fascination with Johns is amazing. The guy is a class C skater. The trend in the NHL is for “faster” not clunky stay at home defensemen. If you can find a big and mobile defenseman like Hedman, sure, that’s better. But big and slow, not so much.

    The telling comment from this comes from Nill, the Dallas GM. As bad as their “D” is, he intimated that Johns will start the year competing for a 3rd pair or go back to the AHL. That’s yet another in a long line of 2010 draft picks whose potential has fizzled.

    There’s more “Brent Sopel” than “Brent Seabrook” in Johns’ game

  86. Reggie Fleming- deal Desjardin ? no way in hell !
    Look…I think that the familiarity that Panarin-Dano have with Anisimov is going to count at the beginning of their Hawks journeys. They’re also an ideally built line.

  87. Dallas GM Jim Nill in the trade conference call this morning says he and Bowman have been talking about this for 4-6 weeks and it finally came together. He said it’s a win win for both teams.

  88. Bickell can be trade, but you have to sweet the deal. Somethink like Bickell + Shaw + 4 round 2016 for Polak + 3 round 2016 or similar trade with Edmonton or Buffalo.

  89. Is Shaw going to be the next salary cap casualty? I think Bickell is definitely the worst signing of Stans career. His contract has definitely thrown a wrench into this years wretched salary cap conundrum.

  90. The “oh s**t” moment is realizing the assets required to achieve so little cap relief, not moving Johns though also surprising. Also, few indications exist that the Hawks could’ve done differently. The whole offseason highlights the damage and ramifications one unfavorable contract causes down the line. Looking in the rear view mirror, had Bickell walked would it have mattered? Probably not and demonstrates that one out-of-joint contract can become a grenade in the franchise. All GMs seem to have at least one. Given it all, SB is well above average though not immune to over valuing a player, but I have a feeling the Bickell contract is case study material now inside the franchise.

    Moving Johns, though a nice prospect, he was a second round pick. The Blackhawks have shown strength evaluating and developing young talent outside the first round. I think the move shows confidence in their talent eval and acquisition system. I wouldn’t worry much about moving Johns. The system works.

  91. If anyone was questioning how Oduya fits w/ Daley here (still):

    Thanks for your years of service, 27. Good luck wherever you land next year & beyond.

  92. Yeah, got to think Oduya moves on now. Blackhawks can sign a lower pair vet for depth on the cheap, which they’ll probably do in the next two months.

  93. Rod checks in w/ this morning’s irrational comment of the day…

    “few indications exist that the Hawks could’ve done differently.” – because the hawks make everything public knowledge?

    “The whole offseason highlights the damage and ramifications one unfavorable contract causes down the line” – yup, this is 100% about Bryan Bickell. It has nothing to do w/ winning a third Cup and having two franchise-defining players getting paid what they’re worth. It’s all about ONE contract…

    “Johns, though a nice prospect, he was a second round pick” – by that logic, why is everyone shitting a brick about Saad?

  94. DUMDUM, “makes sense for me to envision a Panarin-Anisimov-Dano 3rd line instead of a Panarin-Anisimov-Kane 2nd line for many reasons” — good points, but The Hawks are paying Anisimov #2C money and Kane is the #2RW (except those occasions when he joins Toews temporarily), and, Kane is most effective playing with a good C and W. I’m not sure Teravainen will play C (yet?) – he was pretty good as a wing. Anyway, it’s always good to have options.

  95. Just reading the expert commentary like yours Tab. Unless you know something you’re not sharing.

    Yep, mostly one contract will do it in a salary capped sport. It’s a given that you pay the core, develop a couple of young players and fill-in around it. Overpaying on the piece-parts throws it out of kilter. That’s the math.

  96. Garbutt/Roussel- are two guys you hate to when they are on the other team… and will love when they are on your team…

    just don’t know much about daley— other then he had a terrible Corsi last year… or at least I ad someone say he did…

    Hawks still need to keep 16!!! and hopefully 65 here!!!

  97. Regarding Saad, brick-laying is long over. Wasn’t he flipped into two pretty decent starting parts, in areas of need? At least again according to the experts on this forum? Was it Win-win? Maybe, but it definitely isn’t apocalyptic win-lose. Eval and acquire seems Ok.

  98. Pretty funny . . . “Daley, who will turn 32 on Oct. 9, had a break-out 2014-15 season? ”
    The guy is 32 and finally after all that he has managed to have himself a so called “breakout year” I’m concerned more with his age, his breakout days are over, I COULD BE WRONG . . . but Daley will do his job, nothing spectacular and can easily replace Johnny O without any drop in level of play or defense. we’ll see . . .

  99. Trading number 11 at this point would suck. He is truly a heart and soul teammate. I really think if anyone gave the Hawks a “discount” it was Desjardins. Business is business, but moving 11 at this point is a stain on a GREAT organization.

    Hate to say it but I think 11 becomes the new 16 on the 4th line

  100. 11 is not going anywhere. The Hawks will contend again once Q figures out all the moving parts.

  101. Here is an idea. If Kruger is a salary cap casualty put Shaw, Desjardin and Garbutt on the 4th line. The “All Agitator” line. Who would want to play against those guys?

  102. There is one thing we learned, if we didn’t know it already, and that’s that any comment should never be made with 100% certainty – as in “he’s not going anywhere”. How many Hawk fans would have argued that “Saad isn’t going anywhere” after hearing Stan spouting that “we’ll get him signed”. So – there isn’t anything etched in stone. To argue otherwise is to ignore lessons from the past. You can argue probabilities – not certainties.

  103. Dickie Dunn-
    line numbers don’t matter. Coach Q plays the game, not the cap space. They were playing Vermette-Sharp on the so called 3rd line this year…9 M of cap space between them.
    My idea is that initially there’s going to be the Toews line-Kane line-Anisimov line-Kruger line. Things will evolve from there.

  104. “And Rufus, just for the record, you’re the guy who said the Blackhawks wouldn’t go far in the playoffs (the phrase “one and done” comes to mind) and you were also dead wrong about Terevainen.”

    …… Thanks Hof, I forgot those statements, couldn’t agree more!

  105. “Rufus…….. Yikes!!!!

    Come on man stop being such a doom-n-gloomer it’s not good for your health!”

    ……. Joey, or mine either!

  106. Olson

    All gone. Not many good D-men prospects left. Mainly Forsling and Pokka, and they are not very large.

    Am shocked about Johns being moved. He is almost worth both Daley and Garbutt. I thought SB was nuts to ask for three pieces for Sharp before free-agency. I said a second round pick or a good prospect would have sufficed. SB way overplayed his hand and we paid a price. And how about two second-rounders for Timonen? Not possible to make a worse decision.

    Don’t put Crawford in the conversation. We just traded Raanta (didn’t get enough for him) and Nilsson. Crow has been more than huge in the biggest series games.

  107. DumDum, “there’s going to be the Toews line-Kane line-Anisimov line-Kruger line. Things will evolve from there.” — I could agree, although I wouldn’t bet against Kane and Anisimov on the same line. “Vermette-Sharp on the so called 3rd line this year” — because they had a #2C in Richards who played effectively with Kane.

    Hopefully, Desjardins-Kruger-Shaw (who is NOT a C!) will return intact.

    SB has “extra” forwards he can move (beginning with Bickell and Versteeg, *I* hope)…again, it’s always good to have options.

  108. “Trading number 11 at this point would suck. He is truly a heart and soul teammate. I really think if anyone gave the Hawks a “discount” it was Desjardins. Business is business, but moving 11 at this point is a stain on a GREAT organization.”

    ……. Great point Mike. It’s nice to see integrity is not a lost art!

  109. I think we all would have said “no way Saad gets traded” as little as 2 weeks ago, yet here we are. My question was whether there was a sweetener out there for a team to take Bickell. I don’t think Shaw does it. Nor does a pick. If it’s true that a team wanted TT to take Sharp off our hands I can’t imagine the asking price for Bickell.

    I think we all would have felt at least slightly dirty if Roussel had joined the team.

    I bet there are a lot of guys who’s Corsi went from very good to very bad after leaving the Hawks (and vice versa). As has been stated many times, Babcock’s quote during the olympics about the best player on team Canada: “Whoever is playing with Toews.”

  110. re: Andrew’s commentary on the Hawks blue line future – not sure I would write off the entire system. not yet


  111. So right now it’s D. Keith, B. Seabrook, N. Hjarlmarsson, T. Daley, TvR as your top 5 defensemen with Oduya probably on the outs but still an unknown.

    Rundblad, Eric Gustaffson, Schilling all competing for the bottom spots.

    Forwards Toews, Hossa, Kane, Antisimov, Dano, Panarin, Garbutt, Desjardins, Kruger, Shaw, Bickell, Morin, Tropp, Terevainen, Nordstrom, Versteeg, Tihkonov, Baun.

    That’s 18 forwards and though a few of those guys can be stashed in Rockford it’s still too many. Plus Hartman, Danault, McNeill, & Haggerty knocking on the door.

    Seeing as Bowman tipped his hand yesterday saying the objective is to make this year’s team better and not necessarily worry about the future, it would seem to me you’ll be seeing a forward or two moved for a defenseman.

    Not that I would like it but looking at the depth and desirability to other teams the logical guy to move is Shaw.

  112. Andrew ’64, tell us what you know about Ryan Haggerty and why it wasn’t enough for Raanta. Please include Raanta’s one way contract this year in your analysis. Thanks.

    Tab, interesting you included Snuggerud on your defenseman list. His Omaha team went all the way to the NCAA Final Ice Four tournament this year and by year’s end he was playing a key role on the power play. Have you seen him play? The kid skates like the wind … someone to really watch.

  113. Wow, some make it sound like it is misery to be a hawks fan. Doom and Gloom forever. I suppose it’s your right. I agree with Dickie Dunn, Patrick, and especially Dum Dum. I have always thought that many players the hawks get from other teams have been coached up to be better players in the Hawks system.(Oduya, Sopel and Montador(spelling wrong?) come to mind.) I don’t see Hawks trading Desjardin after he took a huge pay-cut to stay. That would be a cub thing to do. I believe Kruger is waiting to see if there is any chance to stay, and the Hawks are going do all that can be done to keep him. I have always said that the 4th line was HUGE in allowing Q so many options to let others rest and play 4 lines. Anisimov is the real deal and it won’t take long for him to prove it. I don’t agree on Daley being a total loss in his own end. I believe that responsibility can be coached, taught where as that kind of speed and skating ability can not. Dano has not touched his ceiling imo. This roster is not the opening day roster by any means, can’t be so more moves to come, come on in off the ledge, this management just gave us the Cup, millions of fans would kill for just one cup. Best wishes for Mr. Sharp and Saad, two great Blackhawks.

  114. Hof, I missed Stan’s comment on making the team better for next season and not worrying about the future. Is that the gist of what he said?

  115. Hofmiester; As much as I have loved Andrew Shaw (penalties and all), your logic makes sense. I have always been high on Hartman, saw him play in high school. I think he could give you “Shaw play” for less money. I think he is ready enough to take a shot. Agree or not?

  116. Oduya will be a hot commodity, no doubt. I could see burgeoning playoff team jumping on him for some experience at the position during the playoff grind.

  117. All the talk of Shaw being moved is completely inconsistent with Stan’s apparent commitment to field the best possible team in 2015-16. At $2M Shaw is great value. Expect other prospects to be part of moving Bickell or Versteeg and maybe one of the new guys acquired from Dallas or CBJ as throw ins.

  118. Raptor. There are some certainties, like Kane, Toews and Keith are not going anywhere! Another certainty is that Crawford isn’t going anywhere. He has an air tight no trade contract and Stan has no viable option that could replace him. Plus Stan is on record stating how important Crawford is to the team’s success. He is NOT going anywhere this year. Next year who knows.

    One way the hawks can clear more cap space is by buying out Bickell’s contract. This will clear 3M in cap space both this year and next. Check this link out for details on the buyout:


    Obviously this is not the preferred method but it does work and is much better than giving away another prospect just to move his contract.

  119. Patrick – I am not an expert on this but my understanding is that the buyout window closes on July 1st when free agency starts. Your math is correct but I believe we missed the chance to complete a buyout this year. Not sure why we didn’t go this route.

  120. Next 24 hours will tell if Kruger still fits. If he is stil holding tight after the Sharp trade then that indicates he might be coming back after all.

    Comical that Tab and some of the rest of you all of a sudden have deep love and insight into the Swedish defenseman in the pipeline. Good grief. And 180 turnaround on the assessment of Johns. Guess what Tab, Seabrook is a “C” skater too according to your pretzel scouting assessment ! Johns is going to be very missed, and don’t kid yourself that Bowman and Q aren’t painfully aware of this. And don’t sit here and pretend that van Riemsdk is viewed more favorably and they believe has greater NHL upside ! TVR happened to be viewed as more ready to step in and assume a role last year while Johns, Dahlbeck and Pokka all were viewed as needing more developmental time !

  121. I think the hawks desperately need to dump versteeg and his salary even if they receive the equivalent of nothing. I like bicks but the 4 million cap hit is a killer. Package Bickel and a prospect for a draft pick and then sign Kruger and odiuya. Thoughts?

  122. I am a little concerned about the future of Blackhawks org as a desired destination.

    With what has happened this summer and the last several years, would you want to be a prospect with the Hawks? Does not look like the opportunity to play exists in Chicago and the coach seems overly infatuated with veterans. Don’t know how many college prospects we have, but are more K Hayes situations likely because of the perceived lack of opportunity? Are the Hawks going to be successful at luring college free agents in the future? Why sign with the Hawks if they are going to package you out of town (Paliotta). Better to sign with someplace you want to play than having the Hawks sending you someplace you may not like.

    Also wondering if Oduya feels that Bowman stabbed him in the back with the Daley trade. I hope not. If so, that gets out and would affect ufa’s from wanting to come here. Don’t need that reputation.

    I remember reading over the last several years that other GM’s do not like Bowman’s arrogance and desire to win all trades in a lopsided fashion. Is that why he can’t find trading partners? Or, is the league jealous of the Hawks’ success.

    Just thinking…

  123. Patrick, here’s a certainty – there’s no such thing as an “air tight” NTC. Many players with NTCs have been traded. It happens.

  124. Bickell is the key. He has 2 years left at $4M so obviously a big burden for a team. I’m not sure what inducement the Hawks can offer a team to take Bickell – maybe do a Bickell, Shaw & McNeill for a b-level prospect and a 4th rounder – or something like that. That would free $6M which is enough to re-sign Oduya and Kruger. Then you go into 2015/16 with a lineup like this:




  125. After some time to reflect, the trade is actually pretty logical.

    1) Sharp had to be moved from a cap perspective (If you disagree with this then show me how the cap works with Sharp – and don’t say trade Bickell without retaining any salary).
    2) We were running out of time with Oduya who was going to make a decision next week.
    3) Losing Oduya meant we would need a top 4 d-man on top of other cap challenges.
    4) Even if we sign Oduya he will likely get a three year deal for $4m per year. He would be 37 years old in the last year of this deal. Recent history is not good for aging d-men staying at the top of their game.
    5) Daley is a top 4 d-man who is 2 years younger than Oduya with a cap hit of $3.1m. He is signed for 2 more years and will be 33 in the last year of his deal.
    6) Garbutt is another piece that SB is collecting that provides very solid 3rd or 4th line minutes or will become part of another trade to shed more cap and/or bring in a veteran d-man.
    7) Blackhawk fans know how critical 3rd and 4th lines are in the playoffs and we now have an excess of solid pieces to fill these roles.
    8) SB is now in a much stronger position to make his final tweaks and shouldn’t have to “throw-in” critical assets to get these deals done.

    Some other observations:
    – Stop thinking that the Hawks view other d prospects higher or lower than Johns. He is an excellent prospect that the Hawks did not want to lose but that was the only way to get the trade done and having some cap relief and a #4 d-man was deemed more important.
    – It appears that we still need to shed another $2m in cap space in order to keep #16. I think this happens one of 3 ways – Move Bickell while retaining half of his salary (probably not likely), move Versteeg or move a couple of the excess pieces we have now picked up along with a prospect. I happen to believe the third option is most likely. Also still believe there is a chance that Panarin doesn’t stick this year and heads back to the KHL for one more year.
    – I believe Shaw is close to being a core guy and don’t believe he would be moved unless there is absolutely no other alternative. That being said I agree with ER – “never say never”.

    Lastly I don’t think enough credit is given to Q for the re-tooling that was done after 2010 and 2013. I think we have some intriguing new pieces for next year that should allow us to remain very competitive, however the pressure will really be on Q and the team leadership to blend these guys in quickly.

    We are re-tooling, not re-building – As Duncan Keith said at the rally – “4 sounds better than 3?!

  126. That’s rich RTF. You calling you people for their assessments. How’d that hot take on TT come along?

  127. Raptor. Love how you change the subject. Crawford is not getting traded this year. The hawks are trying to win another Cup. Everything they’ve done is to that end. Trading Crawford would be totally against that objective. He doesn’t want to go anywhere and the Hawks don’t want him to leave either. If you really think he’ll be traded then let’s place a wager on it! I didn’t think so!

  128. Booman. Your moniker shows your obvious bias. You must be butt hurt that all your predictions of gloom over the past few years have gone up in smoke. You seem much more interested in being “right” about Bowman than celebrating the Hawks many Stanley Cups!

    P.S. Bowman is the youngest GM in NHL history to win a Stanley Cup. Just another factoid that will no doubt bother you to no end.

  129. What about Bickel and danault to Florida and the hawks have the right to switch number one picks next year. The. Trade versteeg for a late round pick. Then you can sign odiuya and Kruger.

  130. Point being hawks get the right to swap number one picks with Florida as Florida pick will be higher

  131. Yumpin yiminy welcome to the Tab Bradford Swedish Defensemen Scouting Service and Meatball Buffet !!! Today, we’ll do a 180 degree turn and completely dismiss the talent and development of core young Defensemen who have left the Hawks in favor of touting a cast of Swedish Defensemen deep within the system that we don’t know jack scratch about ! And for desert we’re going to ridiculously over inflate what Trevor van Riemsdyk can and will become to make ourselves feel better !

  132. Rufus. Just in case you missed this gem from BrokerWayne.

    “And Rufus, just for the record, you’re the guy who said the Blackhawks wouldn’t go far in the playoffs (the phrase “one and done” comes to mind) and you were also dead wrong about Terevainen.”

    If you’re as bad at managing your investments as you are at making predictions you just might need Broker Wayne’s help!

    P.S. Given your assessment of TVR, I’ll enjoy seeing him develop into a top tier defensemen. I’m sure to remind you of that fact when it happens, if you’re still around!

  133. Patrick, I didn’t change the subject – I responded to you in one post. Then post something else in a second post. You insinuate I changed the subject rather than stand by my earlier statement. Nothing could be further from the truth. I simply stated my thought and moved on, thinking you would rather do the same. But if you would argue your point that you have some inside information that “Crawford will not be traded” or that you made that statement because he has an “air tight NTC” and no one with an NTC can or has ever been traded – than I’ll suffer your argument a bit longer to help you along here. In other words, unless you’re Stan Bowman posting under the pseudonym Patrick, you can’t possibly know with certainty that Crawford will not be traded – else it’s simply conjecture and there’s no certainty in that.

  134. Yes Bowman asked for a lot in return for Sharp but that’s part of negotiating. We don’t know what other offers were out there, if any. All we know is Daley and Garbutt are Hawks now. That’s the reality. I assume Bowman and the scouts like what they see with the other prospects on defense and maybe Johns’ injury history was the factor in letting him go. I think the Hawks are doing better than the 2010 trades. Is there any player from those deals in the NHL now?

  135. Nobody attacked TVR. But my goodness boys and girls he is neither a swift or smooth skater on the one hand or physical on the other. He’s just a guy. A dime a dozen guy with a good head on his shoulders that can be a 6/7 defenseman in this league in the right system. A guy that should always live in fear of being replaced by something better coming along. That does not describe scouting assessment of Stephen Johns. Rather Johns has latent blueliner talent and projectability in this league. It stings more than you think that we were forced to include him in the deal to unload Sharp.

    And I strong suggest the hockey Mensas amongst us do their homework on Trevor Daley and his significant shortcomings in the defensive zone. He doesn’t play defense and I cannot reconcile in any way shape or form how he can possibly fit the patented Blackhawks style of play.

  136. Raptor. Crawford will NOT be moved. You can bank on that. I don’t have any inside information, it’s just logical deduction. You stand by the ridiculous argument that anyone can be traded. Well Kane, Toews and Keith won’t be traded! That puts the lie to your argument. And based on deductive reasoning there is no chance that Crawford will be dealt.

    P.S. To say that someone with a no trade contract can be traded is silly. It doesn’t matter if that happened in the past. We’re talking about the present and Crawford will not waive his no trade contract.

  137. Zero percent chance Crawford is moved. He is a core player in the same breath as Toews, Kane, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson. He is why we won a Cup in 2013 above everybody else and was huge again in 2015. Notwithstanding what the Wall parrot squawks to the contrary. Getting under the cap will come from other moves. Like very sadly Shaw for instance.

  138. Someone tell me why we shouldn’t make a Bickell trade possible by eating more of his salary? It might be the only way to unload him. Even if we gained $1 in the process, we’d make out ahead because he’d be gone, we wouldn’t need to give up another prospect, and we’d have more cap room to sign Kruger.

  139. Kruger is staying. They’ve already said the talks are ongoing and SB and Kruger’s agent are working together on a deal.
    I’m sure the delay is just waiting for the movement of the other pieces.

    Getting rid of Bickell is going to be really, really rough. The team that accepts that trade either has the worst GM ever or has SB completely by the balls. Either way, as the other trades have shown, we’re going to lose player we didn’t expect to see on the chopping block.

    I see a lot of whining and back and forth teenage crap. Man up. This isn’t a star wars forum.

  140. Tab, I forgot about Dahlstrom and Gustaffson. Am beginning to feel a little better after this disappointing trade.

    Hope they move out Daley. His corsi won’t improve much with the Hawks. Garbutt sounds like a Carcillo, only with more skill. He can rotate with Desjardins and Shaw. They should try to package Bickell, Morin, and Tropp for a second round pick or a prospect.

    What does it tell you about SB’s drafting when you trade up to snare Kevin Hayes in 2010 and then he’s allowed to walk. Then there’s 2011 first rounders McNeill and Denault. Four years later and neither have made the team. Did they need to trade up to grab Schmaltz in 2014? Kapanen, who went to Pittsburgh next, is ranked higher by Hockey News. And Barbashev taken by St. Louis early in the second round is ranked amongst the best prospects. It may have been generous to add Timonen, who hardly played this year and who planned to retire, but at what cost?

    No messing around: sign Kruger. He and Frolik have been their best PK in years. He is so responsible with the puck.

    Now for some positives: The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming!!! Panarin is going to be terrific. Anisomov will be a solid 2nd or 3rd C for years (but signed for too much money and term). Tikhonov, who played on Panarin’s line, is a maybe. Some good chemistry is in the works.

    Dano may be as good or better than Saad. He’s a two-way player who can be mentored by fellow Slovakian, Marion H. The Hawks may have gotten the better of that trade.

  141. Stopped reading the comments when Tab said

    re: Rufus’ assertion that Dallas raked the Hawks over the coals on this deal – Trevor Daley is a damn fine defenseman. An upgrade from Oduya in fact.

    Daley has THE WORST metrics, advanced stats, of any D man in THE LEAGUE.

    This guy is a dumpster fire in his own zone. This guy can’t play D. This is a joke. upgrade over JO. LOl time to delete this bookmark.

  142. Andrew. Nice one sided view of Stan’s drafting. Let’s mention Hayes, McNeil, etc and totally overlook TT, Saad and Shaw!

  143. Patrick – you’re wrong.

    I’m quite certain that you won’t change your mind regardless what I say, but I’ll just say this anyway. Toews, Kane and Keith are the three cornerstones of the Hawks resurgence – more than any other players. The probability that they get traded is substantially less than any other player – including Crawford. But that does not mean it’s 100% certain that they will play out their contracts with the Hawks. Situations change and what looked like a near impossibility yesterday can require a change in plans. It happens. Players with NTCs get traded. This is not debateable. This is a fact.

    But back to the specific point. You stated Crawford will NOT be traded. That is your opinion. But it’s NOT a certainty, i.e. FACT. My opinion is the probability of Crawford getting traded this summer is low – I doubt he gets traded. But that’s just my opinion.

  144. Raptor. I deal in reality not poorly conceived intellectual arguments that you seem to be famous for! I’ll remind you when the Hawks raise the banner in October and Crawford is in net that he’s still on the team!

  145. Rufus,

    Just stop. Will you admit you were way wrong about Terevainen? Admitting is the first part of recovery or so they say.

    Your assessment of Daley is on a par with your assessment of Tervainen. You are not looking at it in context, he will be in a different system in Chicago than he was in Dallas. He will not be expected to provide tons of offense for one.

    Look I am not happy with losing Stephen Johns either but that’s the way it goes. You can choose to be doom and gloom about it and insist you’re right or you can wait and see how the team looks in September and then performs through the first quarter of the season.

    You’ve been around long enough, you know which path makes more sense.

  146. I’m not wrong about Teuvo. I’m not a big fan. That doesn’t mean he isn’t well skilled and the like. I just think he is insanely overrated by some of you. And I do question the fit in Chicago. Of course I hope he does well. He won’t be here in 3 years so I won’t sweat loving him a whole lot.

    Objectivity on Trevor Daley has flown the coop around here. He’s horrifically bad on defense and the stats geeks can even validate that. Nobody can tell me how a 32 year old offensive defenseman like Daley can possibly fit the Q system.

  147. Got my laugh for the day. Thanks Rufus. The world is made for those not cursed with self awareness.

  148. Wrong again Patrick. The doom and gloom you attribute to me for years is incorrect. I have only been on this site for less than a year.

  149. Boy the comments on this thread have sure degenerated.

    Regarding Trevor Daley – I don’t know the guy very well nor am I an expert at advanced stats however I did note that the guy was a plus player for six straight years before this past year (in 5 of those years Dallas missed the playoffs) while averaging over 21 minutes per game. In my humble opinion it is tough to do that if you are “horrifically bad on defense” or a “dumpster fire in his own zone”. I tend to give a little more credit to SB that he would not give up Stephen Johns to pick up a top 4 d-man that he didn’t think could play significant minutes to replace Oduya.

  150. Booman. I was talking about this site. I was making an assumption based on what you wrote that you’re probably a very negative person who has a bias against Stan Bowman. You know the youngest GM to ever win a Stanley Cup!

  151. Here is what the Dallas GM (Nill) had to say about the trade:

    Nill on trade with #Blackhawks, Bowman: “He needed to replace a top-four defenseman. We wanted leadership for a young room.”

    It’s clear that Bowman was never looking for draft picks and there were certain holes that he wanted to fix with the Sharp trade. The big one being the need to REPLACE a top-four defensemen. This indicates that Oduya is probably history unless he accepts a lower salary deal, which is probably not likely. The hawks probably think that Oduya’s better days are behind him.

    Bowman and the Hawks are clearly intent on trying to repeat. That’s all you can ask from an organization. Stan refused to just give Sharp away and was intent on getting something back that will help in the immediate future. Let’s hope it works out as well as the hawks brass thinks it will.

  152. Rufus, you were wrong about Terevainen, don’t make me go and look up all your comments about how he wouldn’t contribute in the playoffs and so on. You shoot from the hip so much that you forget what you say. Haven’t you learned your lesson when Tab pulled up some of your old quotes?

    The difference with Daley is he’ll be playing in a different system. It makes a significant difference. It will take him some time to adjust but the Blackhawks lately haven’t been too concerned with the results in October and November.

  153. Wasn’t Teuvo outpaced in playoff scoring by Brandon Saad by a mere point? And didn’t Teuvo skate in fewer games than Saad in said playoffs?

    That is all.

  154. Let’s not forget Mr Rufus’ comments last year that Rinne was far better than Crawford. Now Mr Rufus loves Crawford.

  155. Daley’s relative CF% of -9.07 and relative FF% of -8.44 were both worst in the NHL for defensemen. Relative SC% of -7.95 2nd worst.
    HawksNumbers ?@HawksNumbers Jul 10
    Nothing about Daley’s PK or PP numbers particularly stand out (which is, comparatively, pretty good news)
    Daley was worst on the Stars (5v5 adj) in Corsi for% (46.05), Fenwick for% (46.71), and scoring chances % (47.73)

    I’m a Daley supporter but basically all of the stats suggest Daley hurt the team defensively more than helping it. I expect him to look fantastic in Chicago on a better two-way team but the Stars had their best stretch of the season last year when Daley was injured. When he came back he was on the ice for something crazy like 10 of the first 12 goals scored against over the first few games.

    Dallas were at 52.2% CF%, 8th in the NHL

    Without Daley, they’re 55.14, just barely behind Los Angeles for 1st. And he doesn’t get hard usage.

    Daley is utterly atrocious, a complete abomination, in terms of underlying stats.

  156. Ernie, I was going to mention it before. That anyone with a .925 or less caphit does not have to count against cap (even if their one way contract/waivers). Some could get waived and do not have to be traded.

  157. Bowman won’t cup off team that dale built. Daley has worst numbers of any D In league, oduya won’t be back, Bickel probably will be unless we eat salary! Stan over played his hand on sharp, that’s why hawks had to add johns. Way too many forwards, morin never wears Indian head again. Hopefully steeger too! And if SB can’t move steeger or bixy, then shaw is gone. I for one have zero faith n Stan, he’s errorgant.

  158. I guess its obvious but worth stating again. The Hawks have won the Cup 3 out of the last 6 years. That means that some playors that deserve salary bumps won’t get it because of the salary cap and they will need to leave. Also it means there may not be room for a lot of talented young players because the team has a lot of good players already. Consider that 10% of the team earns 30% of the salaries so the other 70% of the salary goes for the rest of the players. also throw in the fact that the next 4 or 5 players earn another 30% of the cap so when you get right down to it about 30% of the team is earning about 60% of the dollars available. Cry about this all you want but the cards are dealt and SB has done a really nice job of working with the situation in hand byfilling in the roster and bringing in talented young players and veterans that will play for the lower end of the pay scale. I think the Hawks will be fine this year and in a few months the main conversation will be what a great pickup Dano was and how much the “Russians” have helped the team.

  159. Rufus T Firefly-
    If TVR was more ready than Johns without having 1 day in the hawks system…there’s a reason for it. Coach Q loves him… that’s that. I’m sold.

    You thought TT sucks or would suck ? Man… hahahahha… that’s a big blow on your resume. TT had 10 points in 19 playoff games on a SC Championship run while playing solid D. Whatever happens next with him… you lost.

    Now losing is one thing…no big problem…just be careful at not becoming a loser, though.

  160. I’m assuming the corsi for numbers were for only the 2014/15 season. What were his analytic numbers in prior years?

    It would help us all who don’t know much about Daley to see a little bigger window than a one season sample size. Thanks in advance to all the stat analytics out there.

  161. Rufus please step away from the ledge!!

    ER is gaining on you quick & just might take you over the edge with him……..

    “CommittedIndians” aka “Doom-n-Gloomers”…… Only a few tho thankfully!

    “Forget the past – Enjoy the Present! – Don’t worry about the Future”
    If you take my advice your stomach lining will thank me…..

  162. Article on the main Blackhawks site about players to watch at the Prospect Camp.
    Some interesting names on there, including Robin Press. Did not know he is a converted forward, but I was impressed or should I do a Wall and say im-PRESS-ed with him in his brief Rockford stint.

    Rufus says we don’t know jack scratch about any of these Swedish defensemen though, so there’s that.

    Press is one to watch , it will be interesting if they bring him over this year or let him marinade like a Swedish meatball (see what I did there RTF) for another year.

  163. …..reminds me of team breakup after 2010…..another bad nightmare….taking rest of summer off…..hopefully, something to cheer about in September……..

  164. Joey Zamboni, “ER is gaining on you quick & just might take you over the edge with him”

    Please explain. Maybe I’m blind to the errors of my ways.

  165. My bad ER, I thought you were a doom-n-gloomer but I looked back & found the “error of my ways” as you so aptly put it so I beg your forgiveness …..

    But if you happen to find Rufus on the ledge please pull him back thanks!

  166. Worth noting Jim Nill’s comments on the trade since some in our midst have decided to trash Stephen Johns’ game:

    “A big part of the trade was the Stephen Johns kid,” Nill said. “He played for Rockford against [the Texas Stars] in the playoffs and pretty well manhandled us. He’s a big, strong, physical kid. He skates well… He brings an element we don’t have. He’s a 6-4, 230-pound man, and he loves to play physical and is a good hockey player. The other part is he is a classy, classy kid. He’s a leader.”

    The Blackhawks will regret trading Stephen Johns, sadly. He’s going to be a good player in the NHL.

  167. Tab, what do you think of dumping Bickell on someone by paying a lot of his salary? We’d be done with him and his cap hit, and would gain a little more cap space.

    I ask because at this point, I don’t see why any GM would want him. He’s too pricey and not that good, so we could be stuck with him and his contract. So why not sweeten the deal by picking up a lot of his cost? Make a little more room for Kruger?

  168. Joey, no problem. I’m more of a koolaid drinker than doom and gloomer. I can go doom and gloom right after a tough loss but generally happy to be a Hawks fan :)

  169. Its probably better to buyout 29 contract, then to retain % unless its only 25%. Which we can do at anypoint (I think), so theres no rush. We can resign 16 any time because we can be over the cap by 7.14m (10%) during the summer.

  170. Tab Bamford-
    Of course the Hawks can’t be happy by trading their best D prospect. But it’s worth the price if it pays for re-signing Kruger and Shaw.

  171. all the commotion about the hawks moving this player and that player and losing good young talent can be laid at the feet of wirtz not rocky but the one pushin up dandelions he demanded a salary cap to end the lock out here is the bill wirtz lagacy to chicago and the nhl B

  172. Okay…….I finally got my wife over her sadness that Sharpie is gone. Every woman that knows Sharpie is very upset and I get that………god bless #10.

    I know that the Corsi numbers and all the new computer generated numbers make Trevor Daley look like he is a below average defenseman who will just “blend in” with the other players on the roster. Although he is not big, the guy has wheels, hands and a great shot. He is a terrific skater, possibly a Duncan Keith “lite”. He has been around, so he won’t make the glaring mistakes that a young defenseman would make, either. I like this trade.

    I remember watching Dallas and saying, “I hate Garbutt”. He’s the 2015 version of Dino Cicarelli. I hated him on Dallas, but I will love him in an indian head sweater.

    There are still more moves to be made, so let’s trust in Stan and look forward to a great season that gets rolling in 79 days!!

  173. This weekend is the first time I have blogged on this site. Am feeling more hopeful after reading posts of so many of you with in-depth knowledge, particularly the farm system. I was driving home from work when the Score AM 670 announced the trade and swore aloud when I heard the details. A couple of months ago THN ranked the Blackhawks’ system near the bottom of the NHL. I think we have improved a little since then, despite losing without Paliotta and Johns.

    Best thing would be to trade Daley for a prospect/draft choice and sign a veteran for a year. This will reduce cap space and bring in someone who can play D. If Garbutt stays, then I think Shaw goes. Hawks should sign Nordstrom. What do you think? Need to make room sometime this season for possibly McNeill or Haggerty.

  174. Corrected grammar. Ignore first post.

    This weekend is the first time I have blogged on this site. Am feeling more hopeful after reading posts of so many of you with in-depth knowledge, particularly the farm system. I was driving home from work Fri night when the Score AM 670 announced the trade and swore aloud when I heard the details. A couple of months ago THN ranked the Blackhawks’ system near the bottom of the NHL. I think we have improved a little since then, despite losing Paliotta and Johns.

    Best thing would be to trade Daley for a prospect/draft choice and sign a veteran for a year. This will reduce cap space and bring in someone who can play D. If Garbutt stays, then I think Shaw goes. Hawks should sign Nordstrom. What do you think? Need to make room sometime this season for possibly McNeill or Haggerty.

  175. Tough pill to swallow for sure…

    So we go from Sharp for a good return to trading him and arguably the best D prospect in the system for some magic salary beans. hopefully it works out. I trust bowman and drink the kool-aid most times, cuz most times it works out for bowman… (see vermette, Desi, aquiring Oduya, Richards, etc…. but this time i’m slow on the uptake. If we can unload Bicks/Versteeg and take back no salary… we might get Krugs and Oduya in… The D-group with 2, 7,4, 27, TVR and Daley is great. It just means we need big things for kids like Dano, Hartman, Panarin, TT, etc.

    Here’s to hoping it works out.


    Saw Haggerty on the ice on Sunday with the “college group” if I were you I wouldn’t count on him making the Hawks roster anytime soon. He didn’t standout from his peers at any point I saw him.

  177. Now having let this move sink in, how F’ing bad was Sharp and his contract that you also had to give up your best defensive prospect for someone to take him. That’s the kicker in this deal. This isn’t Pialotta who Q sent home during the playoffs, this is a much better prospect,…uurgh I find it hard to believe that a team like New Jersey or Ottawa wouldn’t have any interest in Sharp.

  178. One last comment about Johns, according to hockey futures, he was ranked as the Hawks 5th best prospect overall. Now that he is a Star he is ranked as their 5th best defensive prospect, and somewhere between 8th and 10th overall.

    Perhaps Johns isn’t as good as many of us think or the Hawks farm system is way over valued? Or maybe we will all be wrong and he will be an absolute monster pro.

  179. Thanks Southsidehawkman for the info on Haggerty. Even if he never makes the NHL, if he could be a mainstay at Rockford, then the trade for Raanta still works out.

    I completely agree with your assessment of the Sharp trade. SB overplayed his hand. Should have been happy to receive a 2nd round pick or a prospect for Sharp by July 1. Instead we unload two good assets and receive two below-average assets in return and are still in a cap bind.

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