Brandon Mashinter

Brandon Mashinter: Why?

Last night, Brandon Mashinter played his tenth game for the Blackhawks this season.

His box score was empty. He got on the ice for ten brief shifts. He made no impact.

But that’s been the story with Mashinter all season. He’s averaging only 6:57 per game, which isn’t necessarily a deal breaker as the 12th forward. But the fact that he brings absolutely nothing to the table makes his use increasingly frustrating.

In ten games, he has recorded:

  • 2 shots on goal
  • 2 missed shots
  • 14 hits (1.4 per game)
  • 1 giveaway
  • 2 takeaways
  • 7 penalty minutes
  • 0 points

He hasn’t recorded a shot on goal in five contests, but somehow reached a personal high of 10:13 on the ice against the Kings in Los Angeles.

Mashinter is doing nothing on a nightly basis while Andrew Desjardins and Viktor Tikhonov, both of whom are on one-way contracts, sit in the press box.

In 21 games this season, Desjardins has 23 hits and 23 shots on goal. He was also a contributor to the Hawks’ penalty kill last year; he appears to have been replaced by Tanner Kero in that role this season, however. Even if he’s only getting minimal ice time on a nightly basis, Desjardins has been a far more productive player this year than Mashinter.

In 11 games this season, Tikhonov has 19 hits and 11 shots on net. He hasn’t been able to fit into the offense yet, but even in limited action he’s been more productive than Mashinter.

If we’re going to accept the “deterrent” reasoning for him being on the roster, his performance isn’t even holding up against the recent “standard” for bottom-of-the-roster forwards whose purpose was, in theory, as much protection of the Hawks’ stars as it was playing the game.

Last year, in 39 games, Daniel Carcillo averaged better than one shot on net per game (42 in 39 games). He had another 19 shots miss the mark.

In 2013-14, Brandon Bollig skated in all 82 games. He put 109 shots on net (1.3 per game) and was credited with 203 hits (2.5 per game). He had another 33 missed shots that season.

In the eyes of most fans, Carcillo and Bollig weren’t necessary for the Blackhawks to be as successful as they were over the last two seasons. But they served a role (“deterrent”) and we’ve come to accept that Joel Quenneville likes having one of those guys around.

But even when you line up Mashinter’s play thus far against his predecessors, he sucks.

It’s time for Mashinter to return to Rockford. He was producing there, and could help the IceHogs moving forward. But what we’ve seen in ten games is he’s done nothing to warrant any more time in the NHL.

65 thoughts on “Brandon Mashinter: Why?

  1. Tab- the photo of Mashitter above tells the whole story…

    His face says- “What’s that little black thing? a BOMB!!!” what do I do with it???

  2. The reason, as it always is, is because Q gonna Q.

    We must take solace in knowing he won’t be here when it matters.

  3. Every spot on the roster matters, especially those who dress. The evidence against players like Bollig & Mashinter dressing for the Hawks is overwhelming. When Q trusts and rolls four lines — like he did in the playoffs last year and in the ’13 Cup run — the “pace” (that’s Q’s word) to the Hawks’ offense and success speaks for itself. Presently, it is virtually non-existent. It’s a testament to the D-men and goalies that the Hawks stand where they do standings-wise.

    Desjardins isn’t the only underperforming forward on the roster; he is simply in line w/ everyone but Kane’s line. They are playing an offensive juggernaut tomorrow night in Ottawa; you can’t keep up w/ a team like that dressing Mashinter and rolling three lines. A player like Mashinter makes for a negative domino effect on the rest of the team. Keep up the posts like this Tab, there is no question that continuing to raise the subject cannot hurt, and may help.

    Lastly, it is shortsighted business to bury a player like Morin in the minors the entire year when anyone with any common hockey sense knows he is capable of playing top six/nine minutes and produce. He is a strong +/- player, his Corsi has always been high, and when he played significant minutes at the end of ’14 season when Kane & Toews were hurt, he was a difference maker.

  4. Preach it Tab! This is a big time head scratcher. The truth lies somewhere out there, but this roster move is just plain weird, and defies explanation.

    Lets Go Hawks! Without Mashitter please.

  5. @Iceman, not to justify this very odd move of keeping Mashinter active for this long. But Q’s playoff strategy is not sustainable for an entire season.

  6. Does Q ever have press conferences? Has any astute member of Chicago’s media ever asked Q : “Brandon Mashinter : Why?”

  7. In most cases I have liked Mash’s energy…I don’t see his play (at the small number of minutes he is given) as frustrating at all. It is clear to me that his line has been asked to stay above the puck and take a short shift while managing not to get scored on.

    Desjardins has looked more listless to me than Mash. I understand Q wanting to play a guy while is hustling to force better players like Desjardins to go out there and BE their best to earn playing time.

  8. Even Sr. Brad’s parrott knows you have to roll 4 lines. Its Brandon Bollig all over again. Brrrrrrraccccccckkkkkk

  9. Pete that about sums it up. Where’s Sr. Brad when you need him lol.

    This is starting to remind me of 2014 all over again. We should have won that cup. I don’t like to make a habit of thinking I know more about winning cups than a 3 time cup winning coach… But, I squarely place losing 2014 on Q. Hanzues and Bollig were over used (wasted a roster spot) and cost us 3 in a row.

  10. The Sr. Brad’s Parrot posting was one of the funniest things I have ever read on this site. Will that poster now come out from behind the curtain?

  11. Iceman, Morin doesn’t need an advocate, he needs to understand the need to consistently play a 200′ game and not spending too much time cherry picking for offensive chances. Columbus had absolutely no problem dumping him off after a short look see and the other 28 NHL teams haven’t been knocking down doors to get him.

    And that’s been my point every time you bring his name up … he needs to play better to get another shot, which he might get next year when he joins another organization. This year at Rockford, ehh, he hasn’t been noticeable and he’s not making much of a positive difference. Morin is not being slighted or cheated out of anything, he’s just not that good. He’s a fairly proven goal scorer at the AHL level and he’s not even doing that.

  12. Only having one scoring line is kind of irritating but aside from Keith (who was on for both goals against) there isn’t a whole lot of push coming from the blue line. Poor zone clearances and exits.

    The forward combinations don’t really help but chicken — egg — whose on first —- because…

    Ah well. Still 8 weeks before the all star game (which was my initial feeling as to how long this team would take to gel) so we’ll wee.

  13. Mashinter is not a NHL player, i’m scared by many comments on the many Rockford players who some think are up and coming. Hawks are a Stanley Cup Contender they are not rebuilding, they have no patience for these over rated kids who have hit the WALL OF TALENT, it can only take ya so far, Sort of like BICK too, a burst of talent on an overly deep team in the day, so he looked better than he is, when it gets thin like now it’s EASY to see who is in and who is posing.

    Mashinter is awful from day one, for his size ya would think he’d lay some guys out! Own the physical part of the game. Kero is not much better, you can point to DOT work and penalty kill but he’s next to go.

  14. ….speaking of Kero, he has been adequate. He was tearing up the AHL, leading Rockford in goals and points; that’s why he was recalled, reward him for great start. Fine. What has he contributed to the Hawks’ offense? He took a terrible penalty last night, if that was Desjardins, he would be banished indefinitely. You can’t tell me that Morin is not more useful w/ far greater offensive upside than every forward excluding Kane’s line and Toews Hossa & Teavo. Any contentions to the contrary are wholly without merit.

  15. Iceman, no they are not without merit. You keep missing the point, which is Morin does not play a 200′ foot game which this coaching staff demands and with good reason. It is one thing to be an advocate because you think this guy’s been wronged or something (which isn’t the case), but to ignore the type of players they’ve brought in and kept is just deluding yourself.

    I do agree with you that Kero’s play has leveled off to an extent.

  16. P.S. Excluding Kane’s line and Toews Hossa & Teavo, the other twelve forwards who have played the bottom six slots so to speak have a grand total of seven (7) goals — Shaw (3) and one (1) each for Dano, Desjardins, Garbutt & Kero. That is approximately 1/2 goal for each player. The Hawks’ are supposedly on the cutting edge of and ringleaders re: hockey metrics. Well??? These players’ shooting %s and +/- are nothing to write home about either.

  17. P.S. I love Kruger, he plays hurt and is a big part of “roll 4 lines” when this premise is effective and running on all cylinders. He has played poorly all year, that is a simple fact. He has played every game, zero goals, one assist and -6. Further, Q is placing him in less than ideal scenarios — playing w/ Hossa is not a good fit, and playing w/ Mashinter is just an utter waste of his ice time.

    Thank you.

  18. Kero’s production hasn’t been there but he’s been a central part of the PK and done a nice job. He’s smart, too, because we’ve seen over the years that being a willing shot blocker and a guy who can play well on special teams is a sure way to stay in Quenneville’s lineup.

    To that end, can we please stop bringing up Jeremy Morin’s name? He isn’t on our prospect rankings because, at this point, he’s no longer a prospect. He’s a career AHL forward. He’s Crash Davis on skates. Move on to someone who might end up in the NHL…

  19. I’m not talking about prospects, the Hawks’ offense (other than the six players I set forth) has been dismal, you don’t need to be a prospect to be considered as an upgrade. Bowman is likely looking at lower tier forwards on other teams that might be a good fit, I wouldn’t classify any of them as prospects either.

    I am simply throwing out Morin as an example of an option to be considered. That goes for McNeil and even Jake Dowell. They can’t be any worse than the parade we’ve seen so far. I do agree w/ you Q loves Kero, however, that love is misguided so early in the relationship. :)

  20. P.S. (again). Tab, by the way, you used to praise Morin, now you’re labeling him a career AHL forward? You may be correct w/ that premise — however, now you’re flipping coins like Mr. Rufus. Ha ha ha..

  21. Note: I praised Morin years ago. Before he came up, didn’t work out, and was (permanently) sent back to the AHL. I waited for him to get a chance, he got one, failed, and that evidence led to my change in opinion. No flipping of coins – I watched the game. Apologies for paying attention, iceman.

  22. Also, if you think Jake Dowell is no worse than what we’ve seen on the Blackhawks roster this year you need to get an Uber to drive you home immediately because you’re clearly drunk. Log off for a while, iceman… you’re clearly out of touch.

  23. You don’t have to apologize Tab, we agree to disagree re: Morin. We do agree wholeheartedly re: the headliner of your post — Mashinter. I am a problem solver and am looking for solutions to the Hawks’ offensive woes — we’ll see how it plays out.

  24. Now now Tab, you are taking sophomoric cheap shots; that’s not nice. Let it go please. My point invoking Dowell is he can’t do any worse offensively than the revolving door of forwards we’ve seen to date.

  25. Iceman, if you’re looking for solutions to Blackhawk offensive woes, don’t look to either Jake Dowell or Jeremy Morin. Those two haven’t been doing anything at the AHL level let alone the NHL.

  26. Mashinter, Brandon Bollig, Kris Versteeg, Nick Boynton are guys that Q likes. Why he likes these players are a mystery, the world may never know

  27. Q says last night post-game: “let’s recapture the consistency in our game and be more of a four-line team.” We all agree Q, but that is impossible w/ Mashinter in the lineup. Why do you think Tab posted the subject @ issue?

    Thank you Q for the thought, @ least the subject has crossed your mind.

  28. Tab Bamford’s obsession with Mashinter is flat out bizarre. We get it. He’s not very good at hockey. But it’s not like the second coming of Brandon Saad sits in the press box while Mashinter dresses for a temporary spell. Good friggin Lord give it a rest.

    The Hawks are getting scoring on a consistent basis from ONE line. Our forward options are so ill fitting and weird that we have been reduced to Q going with Shaw-Toews-Garbutt as a top line. Teuvo the Wonder Finn remains completely and totally and utterly ill-fitting and useless in the Indianhead sweater. We have a preponderance of grindy forwards who can’t hit an open net with a beachball at the end of their blade from 3 inches away. We have a substantial flat out crisis at LW.

    And yet…your esteemed reporter Tab Bamford devotes half of his daily columns to why o’ why is Mashinter with the club and playing.

    Perspective. Tab, you fail. Take more lessons.

  29. Seems fairly simple to me. Put pucks in the net, guys on their butts or play lockdown d. Absent of any of these three, makes no sense to be on the roster.

    Dano – ehh
    Teuvo – ehh
    Daley – ehh
    Garbutt – ehh
    Mashinter – ehh
    Rozsival – ehh
    Rundblad – ehh

    Too many guys I’ll fitting of either the system or capability at this point to contribute meaningfully in any of the three critical areas. Top front line players mask some of these problems. Given the yard sale from last year, a couple need to develop a strong presence to either play strong D (Kero/Kruger), pucks in the net(Panarin) or strong physical play (Shaw).

  30. Like that little girl in the commercial.
    Cartoons… please.
    No Mashinter… please.

    65-19-86 (or 56/81)

  31. Very telling that when 53 went to the net against minny and Dubnyk froze the puck, there was some pushing and shoving going on, the smallest guy on the ice, Spurgeon decided to go toe to toe, shove for shove with 53. Not intimidated whatsoever. So much for Mash being a deterrent to any rough stuff.

    Agree with Tab, Desi and Tikhonov are way better options.

  32. I think Panarin replaces the last 10 yrs (prime yrs) of Sharpy with the next 10 prime yrs of his own. 15 is not as young as 20 but once 56 is consistent and becomes a good player, it might better to have these guys instead. It is quite amazing that we have that many high end players for 2-3 yrs each on elc s. 19/88/20/86/72. Keep em coming.

  33. Morrison… Like your lines.

    Rufus….. “Good friggin Lord give it a rest”….. Please follow your own advice!

  34. Like many coaches, Q looks great when his players perform. Not that he is not a good coach, but his own shortcomings stand out when they don’t. Point in fact, Mashinter (sorry Rufus)!

  35. What is more frustrating is that Q is toying with Dano’s confidence by not letting him play consistently. Benching him or scratching him is not a development strategy. Then you play Mashinter 10 games in a row when he brings nothing to the game. Young players make mistakes. Let them learn from them and develop.

    You wonder why Hayes did not sign with the Hawks? He heard from his brother what it is like to play for Q. He went to the Rangers and they are allowing him to play and develop.

    Kyle, I agree with you; Q cost us the 2014 cup for the reasons you state. Yes, this post is a criticism of Q. Okay, I’ll sit back and wait for all the comments about questioning a coach with Q’s 3 cups and success. My response is he should have 4 cups and more success if not for his own stubborn personality.

  36. The last comments made about the inability of Q to work with young players is correct. First of all, Hossa does not belong on the line with Theus, He can’t score a goal even in an empty net. These young players on the team now need to get playing time. They can’t bring results if they have a different linemate every nite. If Q was so good, why has he left other teams? It is time for him to go on his way, and the general mgr. with him. I am talking about the younger Bowman. We are now stuck again with the salary cap, since bowman gave these huge salaries. Theis,YES. Kane is only a one demention player, I know i will get flac on this, Thiues (sorry for the mispelling) is 3 times the player Kane is. It was mentioned before about players not playing for the hawks, instead choosing to go to other teams where they will get a chance to play. Q wants older veterans only and will not play the youngsters, thank you for letting me vent!!!!!!!!1

  37. Hey Rufus, much MORE than half YOUR comments show what a complete douchebag you are, and you’re total lack of hockey knowledge… why don’t give us another BS tip from the season-ticket holder “insiders”. You have been wrong consistently about almost everything including (but definitely not limited to!) saying the Blackhawks were DONE and had no chance in both 2013 & 2015, before and during the playoffs. If you don’t like the content Tab provides on his blog, then take a hike and go start your own blog (that should be popular, lol), or do us all a favor and just go crawl back into your troll hole….. oh, and have a nice day.

  38. Booman — solid points re Q. Last I checked he is not immune to criticism. Speaking of Q, this morning he states “he liked the way the lines played in the Anaheim & LA games, so lets throw out the Minnesota game and go back to those lines”. Since that was less than a week ago, Q conveniently forgets that Desjardins played in both of those games, and if memory serves correct, Kero and/or Dano were scratched those two games. Hmmmm.

  39. Yes, Joel Quenneville & Stan Bowman should go. They’re clearly clueless.

    Do we – fans – agree with everything Quenneville does? No. That’s our prerogative as FANS. Quenneville has won 3 Cups here. If you want to blame the coach for a redirected shot winning Game 7 against LA, that’s fine. The team was in position to win that game; the bounce went the other way.

    I am certainly not advocating we blindly accept everything; that’s the point of this article. But NO OTHER COACH/GM has BEEN TO three Cup Finals since the salary cap was implemented, much less WON THREE. So while I am always glad to exchange ideas & frustrations over the use of current & former players, to say it’s time for the coach to go and take the general manager with him is laughable. This is an incredibly hard game to play and manage, and the cap makes it damn near impossible to be a dynasty. The Hawks are pretty damn close to being just that – some, including the Commish – have used the word (I’m comfortable using it given the cap).

    Finally, re: Q wants older veteran players – we’ve been over that. Is he the first guy in line to drop a 19 year old on the ice and let him cut his teeth? Not always. But this is a different place in the history of this franchise than it was when 2 & 7 joined the NHL roster. This is a deep organization with superstars in their prime that is EXPECTED to compete for a championship on an annual basis. It’s hard to drop a kid into that mix, especially the way Quenneville coaches and what he expects from his players. But he’s giving Teravainen a pretty long run this year in spite of play that TT himself has admitted this week has been “bad.” He’s also shown a lot of confidence in TvR and Panarin this year, and has been willing to drop “kids” like Shaw, Saad, Leddy, etc into big situations in the past. The “he hates kids” narrative doesn’t hold weight with me any longer. Sorry.

  40. I love Q, but coaches skillsets differ with various personnel situations. Q is not as adept at handling younger players as Babcock has been. In fact, Q has been blessed with several generational players since coming to the Hawks which has helped his success here. I am NOT saying he did not contribute to the best 7-8 years in Blackhawk history. I am saying he does have shortcomings that were not exposed in that timeframe. A good coach or manager is one that can get more out of players than their talent warrants. I just don’t believe Q is good with young players. I am not saying he is not a good coach. I am just pointing out that now the personnel quality has been diluted (more likely due to inexperience), it is exposing what I believe to be a shortcoming to his many faceted skillset.

  41. While I agree the Hawks shouldn’t have BM in the line up as there are better options the Hawks have had the likes of Brunette, Handzus, AllStar leading vote getter John Scott and even Wade Brookbank (up from D). So I will wait to see what is to come as the season continues.

  42. Tab have to disagree with you on TT. Has he really gotten the opportunity that Panarin has gotten? I don’t think so. Panarin has been teamed with Kane since day one and has not gotten the yo-yo treatment that other younger players have gotten here. I am sure we all can agree that Kaner has been teamed with revolving door of different centers and linemates over the years. He still produces and he makes his linemates, whoever they are, better. That is a very big statement about Kane. Panarin has been blessed by being put on what should have been named the lottery line…Kane’s line. Just watching, there have been plenty of nights where Panarin screwed up and loafed, but somehow he has been excused from the slivers in his ass benchings. Sure Panarin is talented, but I think his head is inflated right now and I think he is not putting the same effort it that he did earlier in the season. Back to TT. He is playing with different players continuously. When he did play with Kane, guess who was putting up points…TT. For a developing 21 year old, his rotational assignments and inconsistent minutes make it difficult for him to settle into any role.

  43. good points, booman. But I think the fact that Teravainen is most comfortable on the right side hasn’t helped him. Panarin is a left wing, the language factor w/ Anisimov is absolutely playing a role, and the chemistry on that line has been undeniable. It’s hard for me to compare Panarin’s opportunity to Teravainen’s because he’s a left wing.

    That said, the fact that Panarin is getting as much run as he is in spite of the shortcomings you outlined certainly opens the door to those defending Quenneville’s use of younger players. If that line ever goes cold for more than… 15 minutes?… we might see differently. But they’ve been the best line on the ice almost every night, and we cannot ignore the roles Panarin & Anisimov have played in Kane’s point streak.

    The final factor I’ll point out is Panarin is a more physically mature player than Teravainen. Cannot ignore that.

  44. Booman’s points are well stated. Tab makes relevant points as well. Combining their perspectives accurately sets forth the dynamic at issue. If the general manager (Bowman) is in charge of roster demotions and recalls, then he is equally responsible as Q for the Mashinter fiasco and bottom six forward roulette associated w/ same. Bowman is clearly as drunk as Tab stated I was yesterday –when I was “marching” in support of Morin — in leaving Mashinter on the roster for nearly a month.

  45. Here is how we fix things. 86, 65, 6, 29, add a prospect, add a pick for 71 from Pitt.

    It is Christmas season!

  46. @ JR – I like your logic. Will Hogwarts be taking over the calculations of the salary cap next year? Because that’s the only way I sacrifice that much to make the roster even more top-heavy than it already is.

  47. The Hawks desprately need at least 1 of Dano and Tuevo to be an actually top 6 winger, both would be better because Hossa isnt getting any younger.

  48. Tab, equally good points. I agree about the physical maturity differences between Panarin and Teuvo. Panarin will engage in physical contact where Teuvo totally shies away from it. I actually thing 86 coughs up the puck in fear of approaching contact. In fact, I think the puck is on his and off it too quickly just because of his fear of being hit. Both have to learn from Kane on how to avoid the contact while maintaining the puck.

  49. Both Tab’s and Booman’s points well taken. I agree with Booman re TT and hope that the constant bouncing around will not erode his confidence. He’s young with not much NHL time under his belt and at times seems a bit fragile to me. But that’s to be expected. This is a whole new life for him, a whole new country, and he’s still adapting. I love the kid’s game and believe he will find his way forward as a Blackhawk.

  50. Teuvo sucks shit. He’s a dimunitive Euro style right wing who is useless at the NHL level. Your pissed off he ain’t playing with good linemates? Well I’m pissed off we need to waste time on the hope and promise or rhe Finnish waterbug who does jack shit when the puck is not on his stick. Get him the fuck out of here. Mashinter is a useless pos. He’s up here because Hartman is proving a bust along with that sad sack McNeal. Bowman has to get dad’s permission for the controls and make a move. Let’s grab a competent fucking left wing please. Doesn’t have to be a money guy. Hawks can make cap room real quick.

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