Calvin de Haan Expected To Return

According to Stan Bowman, defenseman Calvin de Haan is expected to be fully back when the Blackhawks return to play against the Edmonton Oilers.

de Haan, 29, underwent shoulder surgery on Dec. 27 and was ruled out for the remainder of the 2019-20 season; the procedure had a 4-6 month recovery timeline. However, with the COVID-19 pandemic pushing the end of the season and teams returning to training camps for the 24 squads returning to play on July 10, de Haan has been working out and is ready to get back on the ice.

Bowman also noted that defenseman Brent Seabrook (both hips, right shoulder) and forward Zack Smith (back) are also possibilities to return to the lineup when play resumes. Like de Haan, both were previously expected to miss the rest of the season. Andrew Shaw (concussion protocol) is still TBD.

105 thoughts on “Calvin de Haan Expected To Return

  1. can’t help but be the smart ass i am. hope de haan can stay healthy long enough for the hawks to trade him for whatever they can get in return and get out from under that contract that has two more years to run. de haan or no de haan the hawks aren’t going anywhere the next two years. would rather see a rookie on an elc getting experience and saving $3 million plus on the salary cap.

    thanks once again stan for the brilliant trades for de haan and shaw, two oft injured players just waiting to be injured again. and who would have guessed…….both were injured again, made basically no contributions to a team going nowhere anyway, and both chewed up big chunks of salary cap. and although the hawks gave up little more than a bag of practice pucks for de haan they gave up significant draft capital for shaw.

    please. please rocky. get rid of bowman before he can do further damage to the franchise.

  2. Shoulders are less stable joints than (for example) hips, so the last thing to do is rush De Haan back. Not saying that’s the case, but if we’re going to get anything out of him (questionable) we should wait until he is as fully-recovered as possible. Let KK and maybe Carlsson and Beaudin fill out the left side.

    As for Seabrook, while I am in the minority, I am somewhat optimistic that he can return and make a contribution next year. If he gets healthy and leaner/lighter he might pull a bit of a renaissance. As for his contract, almost every team has a bad deal or two on the books – that goes with the territory. These get offset to some degree by having guys on ELCs producing at much higher rates than they are paid for. The whining about Seabrook’s (admittedly bad) contract gets old.

  3. Dehaan if he plays likely pairs with Murphy behind Keith / Boqvist, ahead f a Maatta / Koekkoek pairing. Hopefully he is able to enjoy a stretch of staying healthy for his sake.

    I’d be ok with Saad and Cagguila with Toews to mstch up against Mcdavid line as much as possible, then follow up with Nylander, Strome with Kane and Cat and Kubalik with Dach. Well rested and regular season ot rules for play in round, 4th lines will see limited 5 on 5 play, so having the best pk guys slotted there in the lineup against Oilers Pp is a must to have best chance to win. Which is why you play, not quit and lose.

  4. at jordyhawk

    i can’t speak to bad contracts other teams have, but the absolute idiocy of seabrook’s contract is that it was utter horseshit before the ink dried on his signature. this wasn’t a case of the contract being signed, he performed well for a couple of years, and then inexplicably his play just fell off the table. there can’t possibly be anyone in the nhl, other than hawks management, that didn’t understand what a terrible extension that was the day it was signed.

  5. BBB i don’t look at it that way, if your hired to do a job and you delliver on your promise to do it, you get paid for it. Seabrook was a very big part of delivering 3 cups and got paid. As fans we demanded those kinda of results so i don’t begrudge paying for it for few years. Yes things went south in Seabrooks play and it seems health, but that’s life, good with the bad. I think it’s the best way i have saw so far, paying up front before hand method isn’t exactly paying anything close to the same dividends.

  6. Could you just see Game 1 of the playoffs with McDavid coming at Seabrook at full speed.Or Kassian running Dehaan,s surgically repaired shoulders into the boards.How about Draisaital going head to head with Strome?I would rather get the young guys some experience than risk further injury to older players coming off of surgeries.Let Carllson,Beaudin,and Hagel show what they can do.

  7. I can see Crawford stoning McD and his buddy and stealing two games.
    I can see the team winning another.

    It’s the NHL playoffs. Anything can happen.
    It ain’t the NBA. The best team does not always win.

  8. ian

    if you are hired to do a job and you suck at it do you give the money back? seabrook was paid during his accomplishing years. SALARY CAP ERA. you do not reward for past accomplishments. by your theory the hawks should resign crawford for four years at $6 million per year. would you do that? he was every bit as important to two cup wins as seabrook was.

    if no salary cap then i don’t care how they spend their money as long as they maintain an open checkbook and keep the team viable. if bickell, seabroook, and kruger weren’t paid terravainen and panarin might be wearing hawks sweaters now.

  9. Wow. Tremendously thorough article from S. Powers in the Athletic.
    As I’ve been saying on this message board for a month now, Bowman is safe.
    Not only that he is “firmly entrenched “. He says he and Danny Wirtz have “Collaborated “ for the past six weeks. Total Corporate Speak, meaning Stan runs every thing by Danny and they make a group decision.
    Bowman saying he’s excited because he is “learning” from Danny Wirtz. Wait what ? A 43-year-old silver spoon kid from the liquor business is educating an NHL General Manager who has been on the job for more than a decade. About what ?
    Wow. Just Wow. Survival I guess.

  10. Jordy. Good call on the shoulder injury. I have bone on bone osteoarthritis in my right shoulder from hockey and tennis injuries over many years. The shoulder specialist has recommended me for a “shoulder replacement “ much like a hip replacement. He has told me it’s not going to get better. Period.

    So deHaan has now injured the same shoulder 3 times and had surgery. He will never make it through the Edmonton series. One basic check and it will pop again.
    DeHaan knows this. That is why he and his father have gone all in, on a micro brewery business in Southern Ontario. His Dad even quit his job to run the operation until Calvin is available. Google it.

    Sorry not buying the narrative that the Hawks have this incredible shut down top three defenseman, deHaan, that they are going to unleash on Edmonton. Too fragile, too frail and the intensity of the playoffs coming off an injury. Bad recipe.

  11. BBB it is what it is and not changing,not saying to offer a bunch of dumb contracts just saying we wanted a dynasty and got it, don’t keep whining about paying the price that comes with it, the old you want your cake and eat it too. Somethings aren’t just what we want, it happens and just gotta suck it up.

    Great organizations become great and stay that way by playing hard til the end, not throwing in the towel when it looks too tough to do it. Make all the excuses to justify it you want, great teams don’t take their bat and ball and go home they tough it out, regardless of the odds.

  12. For DeHaan…it’s a career ending iff he gets his shoulder hurt again .
    And after 3 operations he knows …iff he come back and doing a good job then you will see a goon trying to take him out of the game .

    Hawks2010 ……..the Original .. ( there is another guy whit same name (copycat)

  13. HAWKS2010

    if i was that moron bowman, for every reason you mentioned, i would not let de haan play further this season. i would do my absolute best to trade him and the two years left on his contract before he ever plays another game for the hawks. a bag of practice pucks would be sufficient compensation to be rid of that contract before he is injured and no longer has trade value.

    wondering if vegas has over/under betting on the number of games before de haan has his career ending injury?

  14. It’s one thing if team doctors and specialists clear a player to get back into competition. It’s a totally different scenario to consider if it is a smart thing to do.

    I love my beloved Blackhawks, but IMO to put DeHaan or Seabrook back into the fray during any kind of playoff competition is just not smart at all. The Blackhawks are the last team in for gosh sake, and it’s not like a last team in situation as we would have during a regular playoff bracket. Why would you conceivably put either of these guys into a first round, best of five series against a team like Edmonton?

    Go out and compete. Compete your a** off. But compete with a mix of healthy veterans and younger guys who can get experience in “meaningful” hockey games where things are on the line. Don’t risk assets, be they trade assets or on-ice assets.

    As for Seabrook, I want to see him back on the ice in a Blackhawks uniform but not under these conditions. I want him to be fully recovered from his surgeries, with time to get back into a regular season framework both mentally and physically, to see if his procedures have helped his game to improve on what he’s been able to provide. I don’t want him out there in some ad-hoc tournament.

    Come on Blackhawks. Be smart.

  15. BBB
    I wonder iff he can retired after is next major injury?
    I think you are right it would be the best solution .
    Playing him will probably be the worst decision for Him and for the Hawks .
    Send him in a package deal with Seabrook for a second round pick ;)
    I love Seabrook but I think it’s over …he will never be the same at his age after a few big operations.
    And I really want to have a top 10 pick in the next draft for the future of the Hawks.

  16. ian

    a few things in play here. number one ……. you unquestionably know more about hockey than i do. in most cases i agree with your opinions or at least are neutral because you are vastly more informed than i am.

    most of my posts are in regard to the theory of running an organization and, in most cases, playing the long game rather than throwing all chips in for unlikely short run success. case in point ……. bowman shitting all over the salary cap for three years last summer by obtaining de haan, shaw, and maatta in a shameless attempt to slide into a bottom rung of the playoffs this year, likely getting crushed in the playoffs, but saving his job. a short sighted, failed effort on every level.

    secondly…….there are a few errors in your last post. first you suggest that seabrook’s contract was a price to be paid for the three cups and the dominating six year period of excellence. the contract was signed in september of 2015, after the run, and was thus a price paid of ignorance rather than success. he did not have to be resigned. his play had begun to regress and he was thirty years old. i am not suggesting he should not have been resigned, but certainly for many less years and much less money. his value added going forward did not project to the contract bestowed upon him. secondly no great organization stays great by being stubborn and refusing to adapt on the fly. “great organizations tough it out.” really? how is that working for the hawks? no playoffs in three years running. first round exits the prior two years. of the five players left from the core only kane and crawford play near their level of the dynasty era. seabrook is now a third pairing dman being paid at least double his worth and toews and keith are now fine players, not players mentioned in the top five in the league at their positions as they once were on a yearly basis. and as the hawks are “toughing it out” what is the likelihood there will be success as the balance of the keith, toews, kane, and seabrook contracts are toughed out?

    changing course does not equate with throwing in the towel. holding on and staying the course in light of obviously fading abilities is being stubborn and throwing in the towel.

    the difference between seabrook’s situation when he was extended and crawford’s situation now is that crawford is still performing at a high level. you are suggesting that throwing big money at seabrook was okay then, but not okay for crawford now. you can’t have it both ways ian. seabrook’s contract was a reward for prior success and crawford’s, at the price i suggested in the prior post, would be as well. organizational policy that allows for rewarding the past and sentimental signings of heroes is a misguided policy IN A CAP ERA. you talk about organizations staying great…….not possible without proper cap management and the hawks have shit all over that concept.

    now, as you said, it is what it is and it’s not changing. but i choose to believe that commenting on seabrook’s contract is criticism of a flawed organizational policy, not whining. this policy of rewarding prior performance and overpaying franchise heroes in a cap era is a severely flawed policy. it also resulted in poor contracts for bickell and kruger. will it extend further by overpaying crawford in terms of dollars and years? i hope not. but doing so would certainly follow along with your reasoning about seabrook’s contract.

  17. @Craig: good luck with your shoulder. I didn’t even know they did replacements for it. Complicated joint – a lot going on there.

  18. BBB you are very knowledgeable and right Seabrooks contract was a bad signing, i question how much of it was Bowmans decision, doubt he did it on his own, more than likely his bosses wanted it done, but he wears it. I just mean bad decisions happen. He was paid or overpaid if you like because of his contributions and the wish at the time anyways to keep him in a Blackhawk uniform for the rest of his career. If as a fan after getting to enjoy 3 cups and giving him that deal is what the organization wanted, then i am jyst trying to accept as the price to pay. After next season his clauses go to modified no trade so flexibility to move him is there if they wish. I never said not to sign Crawford, actually above said i think they do give him a 2 year deal. Moving on if the right goaltender was there ready to be no.1 for next 5 to 10 years, like a Murray type would be hard to pass up too. Obviously Lehner wasn’t looked at as that guy the way things went down. Someday that will be shown to be right or wrong.

    Big Indian good post, agree with your thoughts, but if medically cleared and the player wants to play, healthy scratching what likely would be one of your better dnen in Dehaan isn’t easy. Doesn’t look like Seabrook be available early part of playoffs anyways and may be a non issue.

    Craig have a brother who a shoulder replacement a couple of years ago, lost some mobility but able to use it in normal life pretty well. Playing sports be a bit more of a struggle. Actually he had a knee done too which is more common and way more issues with it than his shoulder.

  19. Seabrook may be overpaid now.
    But everyone saying it now was jumping up and down celebrating his big goals, big hits, and big leadership in 2013, 2014, and 2015.

    Armchair quarterbacks have always been all over the place.

    Yeah Bowman is a bozo and gave him too much, but so what? Water under bridge.

    Without that guy, you are all still talking about one Cup in 2010.

    Enough already about the Seabrook contract.

    The guy is 777 times the hockey player any of us will ever be.

    Turn him loose in the playoffs if he is healthy.

    A healthy veteran guy with Cup rings on three fingers in a short season?

    Anyone who knows hockey sees an asset there.

  20. Imagine if Bowman didn’t offer such a great contract to Seabrook back in 2005. Then Seabs goes on to sign with, oh, I don’t know, St. Louis. Then the Blues win the Cup. Wonder what kind of comments we’d see on this board then.

  21. And never forget…..Brent Seabrook knocked the stinking Red Wings out.

    He did it with leadership in game 4 and he did it with an OT series winning game 7 goal.

    The guy should have his number retired just for that alone.

  22. deHaan was pretty good before the shoulder injury (third?). Who would have ever thought in December that deHaan would be in the Stanley Cup playoffs in a Blackhawk sweater this year?

  23. Lots of good chatter here tonight and today. Looks like we are all Jones-ing for hockey.
    Jordy and Ian. I appreciate the encouragement about the shoulder. I now get cortisone shots every few months. The Pain subsides for about 8 weeks then comes throbbing back. Oh well. Everybody has their maladies.

    Back to deHaan. It’s almost a foregone conclusion that he’s going to get hurt again.
    Heck, the Hawks selected Dillon Fournier in the 2nd round of the 2012 draft. After 3 shoulder surgeries he called it a career.

    This is somewhat off the wall, but I would leave the decision of whether deHaan plays or not against Edmonton up to… Danny Wirtz. He’s now the new President, he’s the owners son. Let him assume all the risk. Whatever decision he makes cannot be wrong because he’s the new boss. If they win and advance to the 16 team playoff, then he can reevaluate. If they lose to Edmonton, he can say it was not worth risking deHaan’s future for a play in series at a neutral site.

  24. I had a chance to think about the DeHaan dilemma.If Ian Mitchell were eligible to play or BEAUDIN and Carllson were a little further along in their development I would say leave DeHaan out.But like others here,I personally think DeHaan is always going to be a hit or fall onto the ice away from another shoulder surgery and will never complete a full season anyway so why not use him for the playoffs now.With the expanded rosters the young D-Men will be right here anyway when or if DeHaan goes down again.

  25. Haan or no Haan were not going anywhere these 2 yrs. Yup and when hes healthy hes good and when he hurt the young guys can play. Seems ok for now/2 yrs or so. The time until the young wave is ready to take it.

    Seasby boy contract is fine when were reloading young wave and should be just about done by time young wave needs the cap space. So like Jordy said its fine/with elcs to and then when we really need the salary cap its basically good timing with the elc young wavers. Looks like its going to be right at the right time.

    He could he good when healthy and be like a 7m Rozy on 3rd pair anchoring a OFF Defensemen Horsemen?

  26. Thats the thing were not the 8 seed were the 12 seed. Not ready yet which is fine so we deserve top 10 picks not this stinking root beer.

  27. Not arguing contract just saying that was priceless. Like Kaner says if you would have said we could have a Defensemen at 7m caphit for 7? yrs and it would come with the 2013 Stanley Cup and beating the red coats and like that/in that fashion. No challenge.

  28. Comment on that video , Seabs is a great player , and I was so happy for him when he scored that goal . Who made the hit that freed the puck ?….. Bolland was very clutch in the two cup wins , and all around. They were playing re runs of the 2011 Vancouver , Hawks series , and Bolland made an instant impact upon his return , by neutralizing the twit twins ! That was a closer series than most Vancouverites think.

  29. IMHO there will be no NHL, NBA or MLB this summer…

    NFL is still up in the air, but has a better chance…

    It’s a $$$ thing & nothing more…

    I don’t see how they make any $ without fans in the seats…

    Hope I’m wrong…

  30. Ouppsss …there is one coyote player touch with the covid19 According to a Montreal journalist…not sure if it’s true but the risk is there .
    Let see how it turns out iff they start to play …( I don’t think it’s a good idea to play but League needs money .
    Hawks need a top 10 pick in the next draft for the future.

  31. I gonna look at whatever happens this summer as a win win. The younger players getting a taste of playoff hockey and getting hungry for more is not a bad thing, as is a top 10 pick. Just because the roster needs a couple of years to mature doesn’t mean you quit and tank, that woukd be the worst thing to me, to go that route. If picking 9th vs 16th is what makes or breaks the next decades success then it’s not likely to be anyways.

  32. Yes those few games will be good for the young kids …3-4-5games will be a good taste for Beaudoin , Hagel , Boqvist and many other young guys. Iff the NHL start the Playoff.
    I still think you have a better choice when you choose at pick 8-10 every round then 15-17 . But it’s just my opignon.
    Off course it depends on the player you pick ;)

  33. Agreed Ian – getting even 3 games of playoffs will be invaluable experience for the young guys and if they win a game or three even better

    Also if Dehaan is medically cleared to play and his conditioning is up to speed he should play – it’s his career he’s a big boy

    Remember all the amateur doctors on this board not so long ago saying Crow should have retired after his second bad concussion – same thing – it was Crow’s decision once medically cleared to play or not and that’s worked out fine

    Obviously don’t play DeHaan if he’s not ready but professional athletes are almost always going to play if they can and I expect nothing different from DeHaan

  34. I will be shocked if Nicolas Beaudin gets one second of playoff ice time this year.

    Giving the young guys on Chicago lots of ice time is just not going to happen.

    Keith will get 30 minutes a game and Towes and Kane will play huge minuites.
    The focus will not be to get the young guys lots of minutes.

    As for Crawford he will still be one elbow to the head away from being out for a very long time. It’s just a matter of time before Crawford gets his next concussion.

  35. Agree with you guys on this stuff. I would much rather get the 5th ot 9th pick then 16-22. Not guarantee though 9 out of 10 times the player picked at 5 or 10 is a better player then 16-22 pick player. Thats what I want the moar the merryier meaning the more top 5 skill draft player we get the more will be elite/per say.

    Can b e very good like you said experience for free without making playoffs for younger players and we still get top 5/10 pick.

    Like that guy said this summer session tournament doesnt count. Its just to salvage for money so its not as big of a hit as it would be.

  36. Yea Beau is farthest away from those guys to playing. If we didnt trade Buckaroo we would have 3 pretty good Defensemen getting feet wet last/this/next yr with Buck BoQ Mitch. Cannot be trading away any of the young wave unless we get same back. I didnt like that move.

  37. Beaudin has played 1 Nhl game and is probably going to spend more time in Rfd. to be really Nhl ready, but he should be fast tracked and risk ruining his confidence and career to play big playoff minutes. Yet seasoned veterans who are medically cleared and feel ready should be scratched for good of their future to play. Amazing. Just being a part of it and seeing how the stars step up their level of play and desire to win can be huge, why wouldn’t you try to give the team their best chance to win. Nobody is saying make somebody play if their not ready, phtsically and nobody should want young players thrown in if they isn’t in their best interests either, so you get a higher draft pick.

  38. Boqvist and Dach were both fast tracked this year with total disregard for their lack of NHL strength. Physically…one more year for both of these guys would have made a huge difference.

  39. Apples and oranges for sure playoffs are a totally different animal than the regular season. With the NHL playoffs no penalty rules odds go way up that either Boqvist or Dach could get injured from a dirty hit.
    Neither player is physically mature..Yet.

  40. Stape your just changing the conversation to suit yourself. The point is you don’t throw a young prospect in Beaudin your trying to develop and who probably hasn’t finished their Ahl development and only played 1 Nhl game with no regard for his well being.

    Dach was taken a year ago because they felt he was ready for Nhl and one their best 9 firwards, most scouts and hockey agreed with thst assesssment and still do. Boqvist was sent to Ohl for a year and spent a couple of months in Rfd., not exactly a fast track. When he was promoted he is one if their 6 best defensemen. Beaudin may be one day but he isn’t that far along yet, makes a big difference. One them may get hurt and Crawford too and maybe Dehaan or Seabrook, then you can be happy and tell us how right you were.

  41. Obviously Beaudin is not NHL ready right now. I was not advocating for Beaudin to get ice time in this years playoffs.

    I said “I would be shocked if Beaudin gets one second of playoff ice time this year.”

    “Giving young guys on Chicago lots of ice time is just not going to happen.”
    True or false?

    “Keith will get 30 minutes a game and Toews and Kane will play huge minutes.”
    True or false?

    The focus will not be to get the young guys lots of minutes.
    True or false?

    As for Crawford he will still be one elbow to the head away from being out for a very long time. It is just a matter of time before Crawford gets his next concussion.
    True or false?

    Boqvist and Dach were both fast tracked this year with total disregard for their NHL strength. Physically…one more year for both of these guy would have made a huge difference.
    True or false?

    With the NHL no penalty rules odds go way up that either Boqvist or Dachcould get injured from a dirty hit. Neither player is physically mature..Yet.
    True or false?

  42. Stape i pretty much addressed all that already but just finish this off.

    This is playoffs and play to win time, some younger guys who they feel have shown they are ready will get plenty of ice time, those not quite ready for prime will not likely play much. Just being a part can be give them a taste for more as they progress which is the main thing.

    Keith is who they want out there when Mcdavid us out and Toews too as much as feasible and Kane is Kane, so that is kinda of a no brainer.

    The focus in playoffs is winning first another no brainer.

    Everybody knows Crawfords history and as Wrap pointed out so far so good, 95% of posters gave him 0 chance if getting this far, so taking the position i’m not wrong just not right yet doesn’t mean anything.

    As i said before Dach was one the top 9 forwards and Boqvist one the top 6 defencemen when promoted. Obviously both still growing but their skills were ready. Time will tell on how they progress from here on what was or wasn’t right.

    Anybody can get seriously injured from a dirty hit at anytime that’s hockey, you don’t avoid that.

  43. It will be interesting to see the intensity level in the upcoming games. My guess is that without fans, without all teams having earned it, the player’s lack of game fitness, the odd time of year and this being such a strange situation for everyone it will not be the same as the playoffs. As to how it plays out, no prediction in regard to it is ventured. There is also the possibility that in the midst of this tournament (I think tournament is more apt than playoffs) that it could be cancelled on short notice if the pandemic worsens. We’ll see.

  44. Jordy will lose alot of game effect watching for sure, on the ice they will still be pretty competitive and intense even if it doesn’t seem the same without home town rinks and fans i would think.

  45. I am glad I had Crows back the whole time.

    The experience is going to be huge for the young wavers. 27 77 are going to make big steps each yr regardless of these ‘fools gold’ playoffs. Still none the less going to be big for the young wavers to see the pace. That can help development for them seeing that instead of waiting another 12 mths to see it for the first time.

    Les go now get out there and stick em.

  46. boqvist and dach only played for the hawks this year because the team was garbage and bowman was trying to save his job. they did perform decently for guys way too young and physically weak to be playing in a physically demanding sport. their numbers, however, were pedestrian at best. they WERE NOT difference makers. they DID NOT help the hawks make the playoffs. covid-19 did that. so they DID NOT help the team achieve the goal just as the pathetic trades for maatta, shaw, and de haan DID NOT help the team achieve the goal.

    what was accomplished with bowman’s short sighted maneuverings? choking the salary cap to the tune of $12 million dollars for three years for two injury prone players and a slow footed sixth or seventh defenseman, blowing a year of the elc for dach and boqvist, and starting the clock ticking on their free agency.

    bowman might have been the front man on the bickell and seabrook contracts while mc donough pulled the strings in the background, but the pathetic off season of 2019 is all baby bowman. moe mc donough has already been shit canned. time to get rid of curly bowman and larry colliton. the house cleaning of the three stooges act needs to be completed.

  47. BBB. Only a fool would disagree with anything that you have said.
    You are without doubt one of the most knowledgeable Hawks fans on this site.

  48. Yeah we all know by now that Bowman has failed in recent years.
    Doesn’t take a hockey Mensa to figure that out.

    Whoever becomes his boss permanently, be it D. Wirtz or an outsider; that person’s job #1 has to be the dismissal of Stan Bowman and by default, Jeremy Colliton.

    The only way the the 2nd half of the above paragraph does not happen?

    An unexpected deep playoff run.

  49. @ jim rutherford

    it appears you are replying to me. i am not a hockey mensa (although i am a mensan). i have opined about the trades of last off season from the day each were made and for the reasons stated above. i was vehemently opposed to boqvist and dach blowing a year of their elcs and starting their free agent clocks before the season started and stated so.

    many times i have been criticized for those opinions by hawks fans who preferred the idea of immediate gratification through sliding into the 2020 playoffs. that short term goal, however, would only lead to the team getting crushed in the first round and ending in a lesser drafting opportunity at season’s end.

    the next worse thing that can happen, which will put a cherry on top of this cake of a horrible year, would be for the hawks to make a run in this joke of a playoffs they don’t deserve to be in and save bowman’s job. then they will just be a lousy team having some success in a bastard playoffs system contrived as a money grab and end up shitting on their draft position.

    it is time for all hawks fans to realize this team is, or certainly should be, in full rebuild. they have a few intriguing young d-men in the system, however not one of them has a successful nhl season under their belt. none appears to be a keith or seabrook type offensive player who can also play well defensively. there is no one who appears to be a shut down d-man in the hjalmarsson mode. dach is promising, but has several steps to go before he is a legitimate top half of the league number one center. there are no legitimate other top six centers in the system. none of their youth at forward has the potential to be a dynamic scorer in the kane mold or potential as a hossa type dynamic two way scoring forward. none of their goalie prospects have dominated.

    and all of the above reality is why the moves last off season were ignorant because they were desperate moves without long term planning. once again showing no understanding of how to maneuver a salary cap was put on display by moving up the paydays for dach and boqvist should either or both pan out as outstanding players.

    all in the name of saving bowman’s job. and that is why he should be fired. he exacerbated the poor decisions of the last several years by additionally shitting on the future as well during the the last twelve months.

  50. If we are that bad then we better get what we deserve and thats another top 5 skill draft player.

    The only thing is ‘fools gold’ 24 playin can do is mess up our path to loading up the young wave with top 10 picks quality. We better lose or I am pissed.

  51. I want whats better for us getting back and thats a loaded young wave. Only way to get that is top 10 draft picks.

    We are doing that so donot change what isint broken. Please for the love of Hossa.

  52. Reeves took a million dollar pay cut to sign for two years. Would Matt Martin do the same. Even maybe a $750K pay cut would put him even with Reeves dollar wise.

  53. Bye Bye Bowman, Very well said regarding the lack of a young shutdown Defensive pairing.I too believe that any success in this asterisk of a hockey season is fools gold.The Hawks need a strong Team President with his own GM,Coaches,and scouting staff.They need to keep their top 10 pick.Financially there is no great upside if they can not have fans.Lets get started on the rebuild instead of kidding ourselves.

  54. Sorry guys just can’t get past that winners want to win and losers make excuses to quit on themselves.

    Debrincat, Dach, Boqvist and Mitchell plus others on the way and going to be drafted this year, the rebuild is well afoot.
    If talking about moving on from 19, 88, 2 and maybe 7 and 50 too, unless the players want to themselves or a change in opinion from the Wirtz family about it, bringing any or all the presidents, Gms and coaches you want won’t change anything there.

    Agree with Craig, Bowman is safe for now or the move to replace him would have happened. I still believe that a new coach is needed to take team to the championship level and Bowman seems to tied to him to make the needed move there. If they prove us wrong that is a good thing if not in the next couple of years the changes will surely happen.

  55. Ian,I always respect your opinions and hockey acumen but I have to disagree with your premise that no matter what President,GM,Coaches and staff that are brought in that it won’t make a difference.Knowledgeable Hockey management and coaching with a beginning of Toews,Kane,Dach,Mitchell,Boqvist,and Kubalik and a few like Beaudin Hagel,and maybe Carllson and Debrincat could turn this thing around in a hurry.The status quo is not the answer.

  56. TimW not disagreeing it couldn’t be turned around fairly quickly, in fact agree.

    I think a transition of Toews to wing in thw next year or so to extend him a few years with Dach at center and keep Saad with them, you have a line match up against top scoring lines and skilked enough to bring alot of offense and fos need not be an issue . Even if Nylander and Strome play with Kane in short term, Kubalik or Cat available, plus a ufa in a year or 2, or this years draft pick to make a line with him. A myriad of options for 3rd and 4th lines exist after that.

    If Boqvist and Mitchell can be an offensive pairing, with the Ozone starts and Murphy with Keith as Dzone start pair and groom 3rd pair, plus a replacement for Keith. Nalimov hasn’t signed anywhere, looks very possible he may be signed and groomed Nhl level behind Crawford for a couple of years. Lankinen in Ahl being groomed and maybe Askarov falls into their lap at draft. Only need one to work out to secure future, more than 1 and you create a good problem and likely nice trade chip. None work out and ufa/trade route is there. 3 things can happen and 2 are good.

    I do agree with Craig though Bowman or Colliton not likely going anywhere right now but if they don’t show strides soon, another year naybe, they will be replaced.

  57. Like I said,
    It ain’t rocket surgery.

    A quick exit?
    Bowman and Colliton are history.

    An unexpected deep playoff run?
    They both stick around despite their recent miserable failings.

    So we fans have a conundrum, don’t we?

    We know Bowman has blown it and Colliton is in over his head.

    So do we root against the 4 Feathers so those two get bounced?

    Or do we we pull for the Tomahawk C to miraculously go deep in the playoffs, thereby saving the jobs of the bozo and Greg Brady?

  58. Would sure hate to be BBB, or Stape, or anyone hollering for a rebuild having to answer that question.

    An honest answer based on previous posts paints them in a corner.

    No disrespect, guys.
    None at all.
    Maybe you guys have a million dollar answer up your sleeve.

    Just calling it as I see it.

  59. Maybe your right Jim the playoff performance will decide Bowman and Collitons fate. Was thinking that just losing to or bouncing the Oilers probably wouldn’t change much, with them not going when McDonough did. Save for maybe a really embarassing exit or impressive deep run, then maybe that might change some things.

  60. Seems like organizational moves so far are more directed toward cost cutting and not a result of on ice performance. Danny Wirtz if he stays in McDonoughs spot maybe reduces salary demands there and from what i’ve heard the other changes were reducing scouting department and remaining scouts pick up the slack. A typical cost cutting business move.

  61. Yeah B.B.B looks into his crystal toilet bowl of steaming turd and selflessly proclaims …. I see a steaming pile of turd .

    What a hockey genius .

  62. That makes sense and would have to think if were not doing good record wise in the 22 season that would be the longest those guys are still here.

    Thing is once young wave gets established and there enough of them its sort of hard for us not to do good. Think same on coaches though we need a better system.

    Not routing agasint GM coaches or this EDM games. Just for whats best for the team mid/longterm wise and thats a top 5/10 pick.

  63. “Collaborative”. The new term to describe General Managers who make decisions based on what their boss/owner wants them to do. Stan Bowman in his interview with The Athletic said he was looking forward to “collaborating “ with Danny Wirtz and it’s been a “great” 6 weeks.

    Kevyn Adams said this week that his hockey decisions as the new GM with the Sabres will be a… (wait for it)…”Collaboration” with his bosses the evil Pegulas.

    What does this mean ? It means that Stan Bowman is staying because he is a “yes man”. Whatever Danny Wirtz tells him to do. He will do. Period. Why ? because Danny Wirtz is his father’s son and the golden boy of Rocky Wirtz.

    You can post all you want to Fire Stan. Ain’t happening. McDonough crossed the Wirtzs and he’s gone. Stan kisses Danny’s ring in a printed interview and he stays. Pretty obvious.

  64. @ hawks2015

    i do not look for confrontations on this site, but since you laid down the gauntlet let’s play. i never claimed to be a hockey genius hawks2015. i will leave that to ian and others who are more knowledgeable about hockey playing talent than i am. i am merely a guy who understands managing an organization and the importance of when to make short term and long term roster decisions. when you read words do you process the ideas the words generate?

    my point has been very consistent, but i will reiterate one more time for you and others of your slow witted ilk. when you have a steaming turd of a roster you set your priorities for the long term rather than bastardize the long term in favor of mediocre improvements in the short term. when you are a gm and look at a steaming turd of a roster then you do not make trades for two repeatedly injured players, one loser d-man, and shit on $12 million of cap space for three years. you do not blow an elc year and start the free agent clock on the two best rookie prospects in your system. you don’t do those things that result in MAYBE crawling into the playoffs you cannot compete in and thereby crapping on a high drafting position you need to improve your steaming turd of a roster. don’t criticize me for understanding that situation. i didn’t make those decisions. if someone like me who is merely a dedicated hawks fan, not someone employed in the industry, can figure out that two plus two equals four equation, then why would bowman do those things? that is why my moniker is “bye bye bowman.” that is my point hawks2015. bowman has made all of those short term poor decisions and more to try to make the playoffs in the current year with no regard for the roster 2/3/4 years down the road. if you have ever managed any operation in your life hawks2015 you should understand that is myopic, short sighted planning with no regard for the success of the future of the operation.

    the only time you make short term decisions for the current year is when you have an opportunity to win in the current year. the hawks did not have an opportunity to win this year. so the decisions bowman made were stupid. does that better spell out my opinion so that even a slow thinker like you can understand? i am not a hockey genius hawks2015. i and many others understand bowman’s maneuvers were ill conceived. why does he still have his job is the question in our minds?

  65. @ craig nigrelli

    doesn’t take a genius to figure out how i feel about bowman as the hawks gm. my opinion, however, counts for zero. you are spot on. bowman is doing what he has consistently done the last several years. trying to find the path that keeps him employed in a job he is unqualified to perform.

    the current ploy is genuflecting at the throne of young wirtz, kissing his ring, and slobbering all of the proper verbiage. hopefully young wirtz and the real wirtz see through this sham and show bowman the door. not going to bet on that happening, but mc donough is gone so i am clinging to hope.

  66. Kubalik Toews Saad
    Kane Dach Troffoli
    Strome Kampf DCat
    Nylander Highmore Martin
    Carpenter/Hagel

    Boq Ghost
    Bead Keith
    Murphy Seabs
    Koekkoek/Carlson/Seeler

    Maatta and a 22 3rd round for Ghost
    Sign Troffoli and Martin
    deHaan probably hurt same with Shaw
    Give back Smirh to Ottowa pay half get a late round pick

  67. In this format the Hawks could pull of an upset in the first round. Will teams be ready, will a star get hurt (Edmonton isn’t a deep team) ?
    Above it says quick exit, Bowman gone-really he has more lives than a 10-lives cat.

    The two inescapable truths-1. what has Bowman done to deserve this patience from above?
    2. Even though it will be nice to watch the games, this splitting the season, short series, no fans, possible injuries better be worth it-as Burke said if they don’t play their could be a 40 million dollar cap in the horizon. That seems a bit much but money is driving this and they need the income even with no fans.
    I hope Stan is gone!

  68. BBB,
    For a mensa you are not pithy.
    Hence, your point gets lost on many.

    Some because the cannot interpret.
    Others because they do not have the time.

    To paraphrase an old Maxwell Street hustler: Say it. Do it. Move on, brother.

  69. Sounds like Bowman has final say in what on ice hockey decisions are taken to Danny Wirtz for his business plan approval. Sink or swim time for Bowman, may just be what people here are asking for at the end of the day.

  70. Can’t remember the last time I posted here … it’s been a while, and not too often since life was cancelled a few months ago. It’s been weird because I thought I would miss hockey more than I have. That’s not to imply I’m not looking forward to seeing my Hawks play again … whenever that may be … just that I adjusted better than I do in a normal offseason when lack of hockey permeates my thoughts on a daily basis.

    I’ll tell you what motivated me, an article in The Athletic that critiqued the last 5 games Boqvist played, along with video clips. Watching those video clips ignited my hockey fan engine and the hockey juices have started flowing again.

    How long do we still have to wait?

  71. Yes man. We have a good base for the young wave. Need some more top 5 skill draft players. Then were talking about a core to go with 19 88.

    Future is bright though we need to add to it and make good moves.

  72. Lots of great hockey news out there about Arizona and Florida (the states, and the teams) in particular. What else do they have in common other than breaking hockey stories??????

    Never mind. It’s a hoax. Fake news.

    Right Auston?

  73. Craig – The “collaboration” looks a bit different to me. Danny Boy is the owners son and it seems the “Interim” tag has quickly disappeared. In my view working in a “family” business is a crappy job unless you share the family name and it appears the Wirtz family will become more involved in the day to day operations. This is not usually a recipe for success and I sure hope I’m wrong. While SB may not report directly to Danny (at the moment) my guess is that if you don’t collaborate with him they will quickly find someone who will. So unless SB wants to walk away he likely will play the role of a good soldier. This is human nature but could make a bad situation worse.

  74. So today NHL said they have 11 NHL players and staff tested Positive to COVID 19 ….and their is not one game played…
    What will hapend iff……?
    It’s happening …Now
    I wonder when Berman will decide to Stop completely .

  75. Auston getting a 2 week vacation from hockey.

    Just a hoax. Fake news. More people die each year from drinking bleach…. Oh wait!!!

  76. These test results are what should be happening. If the results were no one is positive, then it would look like they are ignoring testing and putting players at risk. This way you test, identify, isolate, track and have theoretically a bubble free zone of covid when playing starts. Agree it is going to be tough to do, but this is designed to exactly what it is doing so far. This regular testing is designed to weed out who is positive, not a snow job that everything is rosy.

  77. What’s the point of letting teams play without Matthews (14days )for Toronto Or Kane for the Hawks ..the league should respect the players and stop Trying to find ways to get the cash in their pockets…..it’s Not a good idea to ignore the huge risk of Death and continuing To ignore the threat …
    Imagine a team who has 2-3 players in Quarantine after 1-2 games played..thousand of Scenario is possible …will it be fair ? Or maybe they can say to the other team …listen you have all your players healthy but to keep it fair you need to take 1-2 Top 4 players out Off the playoff for next 9 games ..to keep it fair
    I still think it’s stupid to continue
    Not admitting the situation is Dangerous and ridiculous is like saying That the earth is flat
    Money is not going to die soon but people will ….maybe not the players but member In their family or friends…
    Some states are really touch by the virus in the past 2 months ….with more then 110,00o deaths so far …when will they realize the danger at 200,000 or 300,000 .

  78. Imagine how much that makes the % different from what they are assigned to at first.

    You can throw out the % numbers.

    Going to be awesome to see the salary cap water down a already watered down top 5 teams rosters.

    Then you can see a team like VEG in the finals again get wiped by WAS again. Yeah thats real exciting.

    We are in really good position for this corona salary cap reset. While the top 5/10 and others lose a qtr of there rosters/good players. We ll have a young wave on elcs and be loaded going forward. Your right ER having a young wave going into this corona salary cap era are going to be the teams on top in a couple yrs.

  79. If play resumes and Brad Marchand licks another player’s face again, what will the penalty be? Unsportsmanlike conduct seems insufficient. Maybe there should be a new penalty for epidemiological violations; say vectoring.

  80. It is mid June 2020.

    So far this year we have lost Neal Peart, Little Richard, Kobe Bryant, and thousands to a pandemic that originated in a province in China and spread worldwide.

    A pandemic that has crippled a charging national economy and brought the fastest game in the world to a screeching halt.

    That was followed up by an asshole cop in Minneapolis who lit a fuse that prompted rioters to burn and loot in big cities across the country, overshadowing a very noble, just cause, while local leadership failed miserably to stop them.

    Anybody else ready for this year to end a and for 2021 to begin?

    Sorry.
    Had to vent cuz we are nowhere near dropping the puck in light of recent Co-Vid news in NHL.

  81. I am not saying put anybody in high risk situation to play. If the welfare of players is really the biggest concern, then where are they going to go and be any safer than a bubble community where the ability for everybody to be tested regularly is mandatory, have to isolate until nobody is symtomatic or registers any positive tests. Playing hockey aside, they are putting them in the safest place possible first, then after that talking about playing. Yes economics is driving it, future revenues for owners, less escrow for players to get the players on board but now they are finding players who otherwise were unaware they had the disease and spreading it to others, that’s not a bad thing.

  82. Well Jim, it seems like we are not even halfway through 2020 yet, and the way the rest of 2020 is shaping up, there is the possibility to lose many, many more loved ones, not just celebrities and sports stars. The civil (peaceful) unrest hopefully doesn’t end until we finally get some people in office that are willing and able to RESOLVE some of the issues, rather than blab about and then ignore the issues.

    Then, we also have this situation called an election that theoretically will take place in November. LOL!! That ought to be a time of pure unity for us, don’t you think??!!!

    I get the feeling that we ain’t seen nothin yet.

    Hockey? I don’t see it as a priority for many people in this country, other than us hockey nerds; A welcome distraction, but not anything significant in the big picture.

  83. My gut is telling me the Good Lord is grabbing the human race by shoulders and shaking, trying to grab attention.

    Sometimes I feel like no one is listening.
    To be honest, that hurts inside.

    But turning to the biscuit, if the NHL goes anytime in the next two months, anybody got the inside dope on where?

  84. Saying now Vegas and Vancouver or Edmonton are favorites for hub cities, be announcing it and Nhlpa voting on it in next few days sounds.

  85. Not everybody is born to be a warrior for God. They can choose to be and its never too late. So the only thing you can do is be positive even when things are not good showing the general public/those people who donot listen that they will have a better quality of life if they do. Ultimately its up to them.

    Like quiting smoking cigarettes they have to do it all by themselves or its fools gold.

  86. Played drop in hockey today here in Wichita. 5-on-5, 4 on the bench. 2 goalies.
    Unreal. My quality of life just went up like you would not believe.

    We played at our own risk. Nobody had to be there. Nobody was forced to be there.

    If The NHLPA is successful in negotiating it that if players do not feel comfortable going to the Hub cities, they should not go.

    However at the same time, when the next full season resumes in 2020-2021, do not Assume your position or spot is guaranteed or waiting for you. It’s a tricky balance.

  87. I remember getting knocked by a couple of posters on this site a couple of weeks ago about inherit problems, on and off the ice, with playing hockey in hub cities-areas. (especially summer early fall)
    We’ll things aren’t neat and tidy and like some just posting I can wait a year and be OK and do things the right way. The states and key states are exploding in cases.

    MLB is a mess and I can’t believe they are thinking about a 50 to 60 game season.
    Money over sanity.

    Jim R-amen

  88. Not 100% sure arnt the top 5/10 teams from last yr going to be for this yr. So its not like this is it for them like college seniors.

    Most responsible to start the 82 games this fall and play a normal season. It would start about the same time anyways.

    Have a summer/early fall tournament for fun like a worlds.

  89. Testing is what the health experts say will control this disease, real ones not political ones. That is what the league is doing, the first step to controlling it. If it is unmanageable then time will show that it is. Playing aside, the players are going to be going out in public if not playing, so if they able to manage and create a bubble zone with regular testing, there is no saferspot to be. Playing doesn’t change that when that point arrives. Sports could be a leader in how to aporoach the fight against covid if done correctly, finding positive tests is just a step in the right direction.

  90. I think it will be Toronto and Las Vegas as the Hubs.Dont think they would choose 2 Canada Hubs.

  91. Screw that make those salty east coast bias play at different time zones and more travel like every west conference team has to play.

    Let the east teams see how harder that is.

    They should really make the east team travel more. Have the split of the conference at a angle then left/right. So it makes the travel more even.

    For example make DET and teams up north be in central and have teams like DAL NAS in east.

  92. Mostly agree with Tim W – Las Vegas and Toronto are the two most likely hub cities now that the Canadian PM (Trudeau) has signed off on allowing a hub city in Canada

    Although if the US cases continue to go up maybe it will be two Canadian hubs – say Toronto and Vancouver

    Also agree with Ian I think resuming play can be done safely if they test consistently and remove any positive cases and trace those that are positive

    I think the NHL is planning to run it’s own restaurants for food as well – they’ll be in a bubble

    Of course if players don’t follow the rules and say start going to casinos in Vegas then the whole thing will be shot

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