Check Mate: Kings Crush Blackhawks

Where do we begin with the disaster in Los Angeles on Saturday night?

Do we mention seven shots on six power plays, none of which were scored upon? The Hawks have now failed on 39 consecutive power plays, which is nearing a biblical disaster.

Or do we point to Corey Crawford getting yanked after allowing four goals on ten shots, barely making it six minutes into the second period?

It really doesn’t matter how we spin it. The Blackhawks crapped the bed in LA on Saturday night, and their recent four-game winning streak may have done as much to make General Manager Stan Bowman’s job hard as it did to keep them in the sixth spot in the Western Conference.

John Scott had four penalty minutes in his first four shifts. The team had more giveaways (nine) than Crawford had saves (six).

Chicago’s leading hitters on the night? Patrick Sharp with six and Sami Lepisto with four.

Meanwhile, Kings captain Dustin Brown (who had recently been linked to trade rumors) had a natural hat trick in the game, with two power play goals and a short-handed tally.

Jonathan Quick posted a shutout. It’s worth mentioning that, because Chicago hasn’t seen one from anyone between the Blackhawks’ pipes this year. The Hawks have been shutout seven times this year, though, which ranks third in the NHL behind the Kings and Islanders.

Another disaster in Anaheim on Sunday should pressure Bowman to put up the for sale sign at the United Center before Monday’s deadline.

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73 Responses to Check Mate: Kings Crush Blackhawks

  1. James M says:

    Different night, same story…

    Who would you sell, Tab?

  2. Brad Stevenson says:

    I mentioned it before and I will again…Bowman knows now that this is an AVERAGE TEAM AT BEST without Tazer…they have a real issue with character and compete, and one or two rentals won’t get this team anywhere it needs to be…

    With all the HIGH CHARACTER prospects and rookies coming next year, I think the Hawks should become sellers and get ready for next season!

    What a dog of a team and effort…and there’s your Patrick Kane for you…BIG TIME!

  3. pete says:

    By midway through the second period I couldn’t watch any more of this game. I think Tazer’s injury is a key here. If he’s seriously hurt we should sell at the deadline and think about next year. If he is going to be back 100% in the next week or so I would still look to add a player or two if the price isn’t too high. That was a tough game to watch and I only watched half of it.

  4. Jeremy Roenick says:

    Tab, what would it take to acquire Quick or Bernier from the Kings?

  5. Logan Reilly says:

    Whoever is in charge of the powerplay should be fired. If both assistants are running it, fire them both.

    Also, on the powerplay…for the love a Christ. Stop passing the effin’ puck and shoot the damn thing!!!!!!!

  6. Tab Bamford says:

    Quick’s going nowhere, & Bernier isn’t moving until summer imo.

    To Logan’s point, I 1,000% agree that whomever has been responsible for the PP should be unemployed right now.

  7. Logan Reilly says:

    I’ll say this much too if Stan Bowman does nothing by the deadline, then look for a roster looking very demoralized because they know they need help and the manager didn’t come through.

    Also…if somehow and someway this team does not make the playoffs, many will get their wish what they want soooo bad. Bowman will be fired and so will Q and company.

  8. Linda says:

    IMO the coach ultimately in charge of the whole stinking team should be fired . He has lost this team. Period .

    Until Q is replaced, things will get worse .

    Hawks are NOT going to the playoffs with this coach .

  9. Tab Bamford says:

    So from the Housekeeping Dept, if you’re going to come on here & make dumbass comments as “Linda,” don’t then come back as “Cup Chaser” and agree with yourself. That’s pathetic, and will find its way into the spam file real fast.

    Thank you for understanding, Tim.

  10. pete says:

    The Hawks need to respond tomorrow night with some fight in them. Im Thinking Emery should start.

  11. Logan Reilly says:

    To the folk who think we should sell:

    NO! We do not sell. This team should not be sellers. What kind of message does that send to this roster??

  12. pete says:

    I don’t think Bowman or Q are out if they don’t make the playoffs. The issue is whether Bowman is aiming at this year or next. If he really is at risk of being fired then he would definitely be a huge buyer. He would have nothing to lose.

  13. Glenn says:

    There are some small things that could be changed that would help the big picture. I doubt it would make up the difference between the ineptness we see all too often and becoming a legit Cup contender – but at this point baby steps toward improvement would be helpful.

    1. No opposing team respects the Hawks point shots on the power play – mainly because the point men don’t have good shots. Keith takes so long to get his shot off that the d-men get in front of it and it either gets blocked or it misses the net. The other guys that play the point aren’t much better. Solution – put someone on point that has a quick accurate shot – like Hossa. Then design plays with quick puck movement so that when Hossa has an open lane, there is one of two Hawks in front of the net screening the goalie or there for rebounds.
    2. Stop the incessent line changes. That works sometimes to shake things up, but at this point a shake up isn’t required – a settling down and becoming comfortable with linemates would be more effective. I know that flies in the face of Q’s main “coaching strategy” but enough is enough already – just stop it.

  14. Ratboy36 says:

    Are the Hawks gonna be the Bears and Sox? They won the Cup,the money pours in the UC sells out and there gonna just make money from The “Championship effect” I thought different.All I hear from the organization is excuses.We had a great start but we went to alot of OT/SO I tried to be optimistic and things went well until December.
    Did teams figure us out?Beat on us until were too frigid to play? Anyone sticking up for Kane needs there head examined.Keith should of been traded after he said “My good friends dont play on the team any more,so I didn’t feel like playing hard last year” Dump the one year contracts,Dump the high profile bums and concentrate building around Toews/Sharp and the Rookies.I hate to sound like a Cubs fan but This has turned in to “Theres always next year”

  15. Ratboy36 says:

    Sorry one more thing,If were big sellers,what does that say to the roster?Somthing needs to be said to the roster BIG TIME.There playing like a bunch of idiots.Fire the Assistants IMO.This team is loooaded with talent.Carbomb might have been a factor in there success but that’s not the issue.And I dont blame Seabrook,hes the only Dman I see with a pulse besides Olsen who next year will be good I think

  16. Allen Pinkett says:

    I can only pray that Bowman does nothing before the trade deadline. Given his transactions in the past, it would only be a disaster, as has been his stewardship of this team since he was hired. He has systematically dismantled the most dynamic Hawk team of our era in favor of inexpensive and average players. Stan’s in favor of Frolik, as opposed to Brouwer (who’s doing fine in DC), as an example. He botched the off season after the Cup in several moves and has continued thereafter. His motivation seems to be to get rid of any of Talon’s guys, like any egotistical GM. Dale is now doing for Florida what he did for us. And we’re stuck with this fool. Trading Kane would be another huge mistake. A talent like his comes along to a team once a decade or so. And he is young. Please Stan, take the next day or so off.

  17. wall says:

    Ratboy36 agreed- Bowman did the “safe” thing and signed the”marketable” Kane and “in the right place and the right time ” Norris trophy winner Keith to the CORE contracts. Would this team be deeper and have more character if instead of Kane, Bowman signed Ladd and Buff or Ladd and Versteeg (for close to same monies)-YES!
    But in fairness to Bowman, that would have been less marketing for Organization (less money)- and if it didn’t produce playoffs- Bowman would be fired for sure for letting this “Franchise” type Kane go- so he did the EASY thing and signed him. And now Hawks can blame the salary cap.

    I don’t like his choice- but honestly don’t know if I were in Stan’s shoes if I would have done it differently- And that is coming from a guy who has always considered Kane as soft, PP guy, overrated.

    Before the Kings game- Kane for Brown + 3 Million in Cap space would have been a great trade! Not gonna happen now.

  18. Hawk fan says:

    Need to sell Kane+fired Q and team.

  19. Negzz says:

    Ratboy and Wall- I posted earlier in the year that Kane would (could) not be traded due to “loyalty” related to his cup role (and associated marketability with the teeny bopper fan set), and unfortunately I still believe that to be true. Personally, I would have traded Kane for either Brown or Carter as this would improve the team and send a message that one has to play 2-ways in this league or you will not win. Carter and Brown would both be big upgrades over Kane in that respect. Further, I have been posting all year that Kieth is soft and get way too much icetime from Q. He’s a 3-4 IMO, a good puck mover (Soupy was better), but is terrible “protecting” our net and has a propensity to turn the puck over in crucial situations. Bottom line, if he’s our #1 we’re screwed (which we are when tied to a 13-year contract.) He’s a good guy and lays it all out, so he’s admirable in that context, but this is at the feet of Bowman and Q as this is the best you can do? Finally, completely agree with posts associated with dismantling of Cup champs. I said it then and it’s truer than ever, when you get rid of the character guys (Ladd, Buff, Eager, Versteeg), and keep only the softies/skill guys then you have no soul as a team. Like the cap ramifications or not, we should have kept at least 2 of those guys (Buff and Ladd or Buff and Eager), and made the tough choices to trade Hjalmarsson, Kopecky and even Kane or Sharp (soft players with skill), to get high market value and keep the toughness in balance. I was at the parade and the guys with character were load and clear- and now they’re virtually all gone. We are now soft, lack character (particularly with Toews out), and toughness (even with #19). We are looking at a quick exit if we make the playoffs. Thanks Stan- nice job (and thank daddy too.)

  20. Negzz says:

    …One more thing (as long as I’m vetting frustrations), enough with our “precious prospects” nonsense. IMHO, prospects are a crapshoot and at best, Saad, McNeil, etc are likely 2nd-3rd line players for the hawks in the next 2-4 years. By then, our window with current core is closing and we’re rebuilding. We have little/no D in the pipe other than Olsen (who I like), and we have some decent young guys in the lineup already (particularly Hayes.) Go for it now Stan! You have to sieze the moment in this league.

    I can only speculate that if we stay pat (or do another minor deal), then the plan is to spend/deal big in the offseason as we try to retain prospect chips for the summer shopping. Wait till next year type stuff and maybe our only choice at this point having whiffed at every oppty to date..

  21. pete says:

    A gut check win tonight at anaheim would erase last nights disaster. I think tonight’s game will tell us a lot. It raises an interesting situation with our #1 pick. that has reportedly been a sticking point as the hawks don’t want to give that pick up. If we go off the cliff so to speak here with injuries and losses that pick becomes more and more valuable. That raises the question of whether the hawks would be better off making a deal on draft day using the salary cap space and prospects coming up to load up for next year. Some people on this site have written that the Hawks are really aiming at next year not this year with their decisions locking down only 1 year contracts, keeping salary space and the development of prospects. Anyone have any thoughts on this. In this day and age of win now in sports they could never admit a “next year” plan. Myself, I am in favor of taking some risks and “overpaying” if necessary to make a run this year. A playoff hockey series is a lot of fun. I had a blast last year even though we lost to vancouver in 7.

  22. Biggs says:

    Last night’s showing is just another in the “no heart” marathon that is this season. As much as it hurts, this team is really in jeopardy of missing the playoffs! Good core, really bad supporting players—that rests with Bowman. He made the moves following the cup and brought in the old guys last summer. His scorecard posts mostly bogeys and doesn’t give me a lot of faith he knows what he is doing. Reality sucks!

  23. Tab Bamford says:

    I’ve tried, but cannot confirm that Negzz is related to Bob Pulford. So my best assessment is that he’s just painfully clueless.

  24. pete says:

    Tab, are the Hawks top prospects projected as top 6 players or bottom 6. How good they are and when they will be ready to play in the NHL is a big piece of this puzzle on what the Hawks should do. If there is no big trade deadline move, the 1 year contracts that Bowman has been limiting the Hawks to suggests they are looking at one step back(this year) in order to take two steps forward(next year). What do you think?

  25. Tab Bamford says:

    There are two things you have to consider when asking about prospects projections… Are they a top-six anywhere, or here? Because the Hawks have 4 of their top 6 fwds signed for the next few years, so spots are limited to 2.

    With that being said, my opinion is that Saad, McNeill & Hayes could all end up being top-six forwards. Rensfeldt also has a lot of skill and could be in that mix as well.

    Also remember that having “top-six” forwards skating on the third line (Versteeg & Ladd) is what made the ’10 team great. So dumping affordable, young players with high ceilings doesn’t always make great sense.

  26. pete says:

    So what the Hawks could do is sign a long term free agent or make a trade during the offseason/draft day, let the old guys with expiring contracts go at the end of this season and bring up the younger guys to fill out our roster for next year and have a young roster with a ton of upside. If that is there plan then this would be a “bridge” year where they just hope for the best. In my brief reading it didn’t seem like KHayes was a major contributor at BC this year so wouldn’t it be unlikely that the three prospects you mentioned would be able to play for the Hawks next year.

  27. Tom Jaremka says:

    You can’t blame the loss in LA on Crawford. Again, we let up waaaayyyy to many scoring opportunities from between the dots and the slot area. We are over passing on the PP. We need to keep it simple and get point shots with net presence. We’re looking for the perfect shot and it’s killing our PP.

    For now, you don’t fire Q or the coaching staff. We’re still in the playoffs, we need to retune a few things. Most of the posts on here are correct, leave the lines alone!!

    The problem with the Hawks is “depth”. The difference between a first line player and a third line player isn’t just the talent. It’s the ability to play at his top level of play for 6 out of 10 games, then be average for 3 games, then “okay” for 1 game. A third line player is at his top level for 2 out of 10 games, average for 6 games, the “okay” for 2 games. Now, take Toews out of the lineup and you have everyone moving up a spot on the ice. If the 2nd, 3rd and 4th line players can play like they did in the Detroit and St. Louis games, we’re fine. But when they play like they did against Dallas and LA, we have a complete breakdown.

    We have too many players on this team who have way too many “okay” or “average” games in a row. Or worse, they have “okay” or “average” games all together, like the Dallas and LA games. I’m not saying that Jalmarsson and Montador are all star, super man players, but on THIS TEAM they make a difference from the other players.

    Again, we’re not as bad as we look and we’re not as good as we seem. We’re somewhere in the middle and we need to find the middle.

  28. pete says:

    I see Detroit has been losing since Datsyuk went down. When you lose a top player it stresses the whole lineup. Tom, how do you define Brunette’s play. Personally, I’m not seeing the value there.

  29. Tab Bamford says:

    Detroit lost Ericsson for a month, too.

  30. darcy says:

    With the big gap that exists on this team between the top six and bottom six makes our prospects the key to the future!Unfotunately our top six isn’t complete which causes us to raid the bottom six to fill in the roster.The result is a watered down roster!I think management is high on the likes of Saad,O’Niel and Hayes to be a cost effective future bottom six.With all the money tied up in the core it seems imparative to load up with entry level contracts in the future.This to me is the route management wants to follow.They really need to be less hoardish IMO with prospects and picks though.Keep what you covet and if need be overpay with the rest but do something!

  31. pete says:

    Another thing I was thinking about is how much money the Hawks are paying that is not even part of the cap number. For instance are they still paying Huet and wasn’t the guy they traded Campbell for a bad contract that’s not part of the cap. Maybe Stan’s hands are tied by management on money more than we realize.

  32. darcy says:

    It also wouldn’t hurt if everyone brought their lunch bucket to work.You’re just as likely to get injured by trying as you are not trying!

  33. darcy says:

    Pete..Kind of makes you wonder what makes more money though?A deep playoff run or no playoff run!

  34. pete says:

    If they get blown out tonight I can’t see how Stan can stand pat and hope for the best. The fan base is restless.

  35. Joe says:

    Can we please get a GM in here with a clue?

  36. JoeyG says:

    Great leaders give credit and take the blame.I don’t see anything like this from ScottyStan the two faced man.

  37. Tom Jaremka says:

    Pete, Brunette was brought in as a PP specialist. He’s got great hands and is tough to move around the net. But the truth is that he’s not doing that well because our PP is awful. Plus, he plays with different players all the time. Q mixes things up constantly!! Veteran’s will tell you that it doesn’t matter who they play with, it’s all hockey, anyway. That’s true, too. But some players just have “chemistry” and just know where the other guy is, no joke. I think that if you put Brunette, Hossa and Mayers on the PP, you may see something. They need a big body in front of the net and Mayers is that body. Brunette has a one year contract, I think. Even if we miraculously win the Cup, he’s gone.

    I’ve noticed that Detroit has faltered since Datsyuk went down and Boston has been hurting since Chara has been injured and not playing at 100%. Philly hasn’t looked like a serious contender since Pronger went down, either.

    Top 1,2 or 3 players CANNOT be replaced. These guys are the “best of the best” for a reason. They have talent, heart, desire, grit, determination and the willingness to get the job done even when they are dead tired, hurt or losing a game. Plus, they make everyone else alot better when they play.

    We need a win in Anaheim, today!!

  38. Dominic says:

    It is all pretty disillusioning. Of course you do not expect to play your best when your captain is out, but you don’t expect to look like the Keystone cops either. It shows how much JT impacts this team, which is scary if concussions continue.

    For my 2 cents, much as I am not a Bowman fan, I am not sure he has a lot of bargaining power right now. You want to make savvy deals at the deadline, not desperation ones. Increasingly, it looks like we fall in the second category and despite my not being a fan, I do think Bowman is smart enough not to make any desperation moves.

    We have an excellent “core”, assuming JT doesn’t have an early exit from the NHL due to concussions. We lack the role players we had during the cup run, and possibly the “heart”. For example, it seems like the “size” of Brouwer and Big Buff was never replaced with big guys who could eat as much ice time as those two. But if we can’t get role players with savvy trades, then maybe it is time to wait for next year.

    Thoughts, as always, are appreciated.

  39. Tom Jaremka says:

    Some of the posts on here are really laughable, yet some are really observant.

    The Bowman brothers are desperately trying to put their “stamp” on this team. However, the guy that they are succeeding was, and is, an excellent GM and judge of talent and character. If I am not mistaken, Tallon was a #1 draft pick and played the game for 10 years. Then he was a “color man” and watched the game from above for about 20 years. As he watched from above, he learned the good, the bad and the ugly from watching Pulford and Mike Smith. Tallon is a real bright guy, too. When he screwed up in 2004 and 2005, he admitted it and took his lumps. Then, he went out and did the right thing.

    Stan’s claim to fame is his father. I know Scotty was a championship coach several times and his hockey brain is much larger than mine, but something has to be said for GM’s who have played the game and can recognize talent. Can Stan recognize talent? Instead of filling holes, does he have a game plan? Does he know what kind of team he wants? Is Q the coach he wants? Is Stan really the GM, or are McDonough and
    Scotty calling the shots?

    The late, great Herb Brooks used to say, “I don’t want to see a player perform when he is at his best, I want to see him perform when he is hurt, out of gas and physically and mentally destroyed on the ice”. “If he can still play and make a difference, that’s the guy I want on my team”. This statement is why Toews is such a rare player.

    Bowman is going to make his mistakes. Heck, he already has made mistakes. But we need to see if he can learn from them and then correct them. Right now, we need to get healthy and focus on winning some close games.

  40. Tab Bamford says:

    I love Tallon as much as anyone (read what I wrote about his leaving), but the fact that everyone ignores that Bowman inherited a franchise that’s prospect pool was among the 5 worst in the NHL and has pushed the Hawks into the league’s top 10 is amazing to me. As I wrote a couple weeks ago, we’ll all be thankful Bowman only signed one-year deals for the 2011-12 season in a year or two when teams hate still having Joel Ward & Ville Leino on their books. Also, saying Bowman can’t judge character isn’t accurate; Brunette & Mayers are both class acts. The trouble is that neither is a top-six fwd

  41. Tom Jaremka says:

    Tab, I never said that Bowman can’t judge talent. We won’t know if he can, or can’t, for several years. All these young players that we have in the AHL and ECHL look really good, but I play hockey with alot of ex-college and minor league players who “looked great” until they hit the NHL. Then they were just 4A players. They excel in the minors, yet they can’t quite make it in the NHL.

    We didn’t know how good Tallon was for 5 years. We won’t know about Bowman for a couple more years. We may be “mediocre” for another 2-3 years before another crop of great players comes out of the minors and can contribute in the NHL, consistantly.

  42. Terry says:

    Please get us a GM & a coach who have a clue !

  43. Negzz says:

    Tab- You want perspective? As someone who grew up playing travel hockey in Chicago in the 60’s, I treasure my squirt and peewee pictures standing with B.Hull, Mikita, Nesterenko etc at the Northbrook practice rink. While I chose football in college, my brother was captain of West Point’s hockey team for 2 years. Trust me, I know the game. Later, I was a season ticket holder in the barn and watched the painful years of Dollar Bill and Pulford’s prenerious ways when it came to FA and wishful thinking development of players thru the farm. I watched them let Chelios go and not risk an investment in a supporting cast for him or later w/Roenick. I was sadly at game-7 when Pittsburg caried the cup in a 4-game sweep to the Cup in the Stadium. I have been there, invested in this team and done that. But you know better- right? Regardless, you choose to add insults to discussion? Nice.

    If you honestly think Stan is doing a good job you have your right to a point of view, but it’s comical you’d point to my observations as “clueless” and “Pulford-like” when your view seems to be more in line with the Pulford years. He (like Stan Jr), took no risk to add talent that may “cost too much”, kept spending in check regardless of market opportunity (or in our case cap space), stuck with the “our farm has talent, just you wait and see” excuse, offered homer apologies for his missing every deal of significance to improve the team and never went for broke while sticking with the safe route hoping it would turn out ok. News flash- it never did. Not until Tallon DID go for broke did we hoist a cup (since I was 3 years old anyway.)

    Bottom line, you don’t like Carter’s package and want to hold onto the kids. Other deals were either too costly or whatever. I get it. My view is that the fact that Saad, McNeil, Rensfeldt and others have talent does not mean they will prove to be top-6 forwards (let alone top 3.) Even if 1-2 of them prove to be top talents in the NHL in the next 2-3 years, we still do not have enough to crack back into the elite category without a significant move or 2. These moves will cost prospects and draft picks, that’s the way it works.

  44. Tab Bamford says:

    Negzz: I’m thrilled for you choosing football over hockey, congratulations. And while playing pee-wee hockey 50 yrs ago might add to your perspective, I respectfully think you’re so far off base with your comments that anyone who’s been around the NHL in the last 10 years would laugh you out of any room in any building in North America for saying you would rather have Jeff Carter than Duncan Keith. Insult? Only if you take yourself so seriously that you don’t realize who ridiculous a lot of what you’ve said is in reality.

    Furthermore, if you think my observations are in line w/ Pulford, you clearly haven’t read anything but the comments on this site. I invite you to invest some of your precious, perspective-building time in reading what I’ve written before making blanket statements that couldn’t be further from the truth. That adds an aspect of illiteracy to your laughable ideas about trading players with rings for clubhouse cancers and quitters.

    Your willingness to dump kids for a bandaid is precisely the Pulford school of thought. If Saad’s a future 30-goal scorer, you would rather trade him for 20 games from Hal Gill than let him develop into an NHL player. Good for you. How’d that work out for the Flyers when they dumped Patrick Sharp for a rental from the Hawks? THAT is perspective my friend… and you’re welcome. In my opinion, you’re crazy. But thanks for sharing your perspective with us.

  45. Dominic says:

    Holy cow. Why does it always have to revert to a urination contest about who has the better hockey chops, complete with name calling and schoolyard antics?

  46. Confused says:

    I find it interesting Tab, that you have such a problem with anyone who comments that Q or the coaching is an issue right now, and that guys like Keith and Kane have been let downs this year and would be “tradeable” under any sense of the term. How long do things stay status quo before someone realized we finish in 9th spot. We’ll be in the playoffs in a 6-8 seed playing teams we can’t beat until we figure out how to put the puck in the net with a man advantage….which has understandably been a problem with how difficult it has been to score 5 on 5.

  47. Confused says:

    Hawks are 9-16 in 2012 and grossly inconsistent. They started the new year off with 4 losses, 2 wins, a loss, 3 wins, 9 losses, 4 wins, and now 2 losses….

  48. Tab Bamford says:

    @Confused: to the contrary, I have long believed that Mike Kitchen should have been unemployed before Christmas 2010. I just think anyone saying Quenneville should be fired because the team is going to make the playoffs for a fourth straight year under his guidance needs a little history lesson on 1998-2009 is all. And I haven’t said Keith & Kane have been outstanding all year by any means… I just don’t see the Blackhawks getting adequate value for either of them in a trade so they’re staying. It’s reality, not opinion. Whether or not that reality is still true in late June might be a different story, but during this season, they’re both staying put.

  49. darcy says:

    I’m sick of the win at all cost attitude of the panickers on this site.23 hours from now we may only know that Stan didn’t give away the farm.If he does give it away you same people will be crying about it for years to come.

  50. Tom Jaremka says:

    Boys……..we have LOTS of fire and guts on the blog, today!! I wish we had this fire on the Hawk bench! LOL.

    Let’s remember a few things, that are facts:
    1. Toews is injured and out, for now, with a concussion AND a wrist injury.
    2. Kane had off season wrist surgery. Any athlete will tell you that any joint surgery(wrist, ankle, hip, knee) takes about a year to become 100% no matter what condition you are in.
    3. Sharp has had a wrist injury, this year, also.
    4. Jahlmarson and Montador are out with injuries.

    We need to tread a little water for awhile and stay afloat. Hopefully, Toews will get healthy and things will fall into place. We DO NOT want to make a trade out of desperation at the deadline. We’ll be better off waiting until the off season.

  51. Negzz says:

    Tab- No need to twist posts/facts to make a meaningless point. Noone here (or anywhere I’ve read), suggested Kieth for Gill was a deal worth making (or any other middlin rental for that matter), so keep twiddling nonsense if it meets your needs. To stick to actual posted points, the hypothetical trades I have specifically commented on in this thread are Kane for Brown or Carter, and I would do either of those trades today. Further, if Kane is not tradable (which I don’t think he is), I have posted suggested trades for impact players that would have to include Morin, Saad, or McNeil along with a Hawks NHL roster player (such as Bickel or Frolik) and a draft pick, but that either has not or is not likely to get a deal done for an impact player. Bottom line, noone is suggesting we trade key prospects for rental, non-impact players (we have plenty of those on the roster along with unknown prospects).

    On #2, the point is Kieth is having his 2nd subpar year in a row and is a 3-4 talent the way he’s playing. Regardless, he is not the problem, lack of depth and toughness on D is the issue and how we acquire such talent in the conundrum that Jr. seems stumped to unravel.

  52. Pete says:

    I’m still hoping for Nash on a longshot, if not then Brassard, Roy or some other top6 forward or top 4 defender. If not, then we hope the prospects pan out and we try to make the playoffs with what we have and anybody we can bring up towards the end of the year. To me, last night won’t be that big a deal if we win tonight. If we lose badly tonight then the pressure on Stan will increase and that could also lead to the Hawks having less leverage in a deal and thats all bad.

  53. Tab Bamford says:

    funny that Negzz doesn’t read what I actually wrote, but calls me out for precisely that.

    I’m done there. Not worth the energy. But, Negzz, if you want to read my response and comment on what I actually said, feel free.

    to Tom Jaremka: you’re right. The team hasn’t been healthy all season, and the mix of players on the ice hasn’t been right. Desperation is how teams get stuck in a 6 seed, and how teams taking advantage of desperation steal talent.

    What we all need to remember is the most basic reality: the deadline has not passed yet. There is still time and opportunity to make trades. Unlike some, I’m waiting to blast the GM until he has actually done nothing, not just spewing hate because his timetable isn’t the same as mine.

  54. Cord says:

    Let us hope 4 a win tonite

  55. Mitch says:

    At what point do we look at getting ready for next year? I hate to be negative, but there are not enough trades to be made to get to the final this year.
    I have a feeling that it is 5 games and out this post season.

  56. jeff says:

    For people posting on this blog, you should not think this is an independent site per say. Think of it as an extension of the front office. With that perspective the comments will make sense.
    I come here for Hawks info and it fulfills that. But having a back and forth with someone tied to the organization will get you nowhere.

  57. Tab Bamford says:

    LOL at the idea that this site is affiliated w/ the organization.

  58. Pete says:

    Actually, it would be great if this site were a communication with the front office. But I will take Tab at his word that he is not secretly Stan Bowman. I think we can also assume that Tab is not Bob Pulford. Whether Bob Pulford has commented under an assumed name is still being hashed out. GO HAWKS.

  59. Tom Jaremka says:

    I just saw where Tallon picked up Wolski from the Rangers, Friday, and Smithson from the Pred’s, yesterday. He sent away some draft picks to try and win it this year. They’ll be getting back some injured players, soon. The Panthers will be a force in the playoffs.

    Tallon was driven out of town before we won the cup. I’d love to see the guy win it all this year, or next. He was the architect of our Stanley Cup team as everyone knows.

  60. Pete says:

    Tom are you actually Dale Tallon :)

  61. Brad Stevenson says:

    Put downs aside, what Tab is saying is the right thing, for now…we cannot let the likes of Jimmy Hayes, Dylan Olsen, Andrew Shaw, Brandon Saad, Kevin Hayes, or Philip Danault get away for some rental player…starting next season, these kids, including potentially Brandon Pirri, Ben Smith, Ludwig Rensfeldt, and Shawn LaLonde could all be fighting for roster spots.

    If there is a legitimate deal out there, with a player who fits a role and will be with us for a few years, then that is a different story…but until then, we have to endure this ridiculous season and wait until next year.

  62. Dominic says:

    The person who pointed out 9-16 in 2012 has a point. This calendar year we are simply bad. If you blame injuries it means we aren’t deep enough, if you blame effort level then you got to look to coaching, and if you blame the roster as a whole then you look to the GM.

    Much as you seem to loves Bowman and Q, Tab, responsibility has to be taken by someone, at some point. I agree we need to wait til the deadline and see what Scotty (pulling strings for Stan ;-) ) does, but if the deadline passes and we finish let’s say 8 – 11 in the final 19 games, do you not think that some heads will need to roll?

  63. Dominic says:

    Assuming we miss the playoffs in the above scenario. There is always the hope of stumbling towards the end of the season like the White Sox did in 2005, then getting hot again and winning all but one game in the post season…. In which case Q and Scotty are heroes again! lol

  64. Pete says:

    Dominic, my opinion on the time line is if we don’t make the playoffs this year and then next year things start off bad in Oct/Nov/Dec, then Q is in big trouble at that point. If we don’t make the playoffs two years in a row(this year and next year) then Bowman is in major trouble. We have too much high end talent and fan/financial support behind this team for that to happen so something would have to change. Thankfully, I don’t think that is going to happen. We should have Tazer back on Wed in an original 6 home game against Toronto.

  65. Dominic says:

    You are probably right Pete. I’ll see you at the game Wednesday!

  66. Pete says:

    Ill be there Dom

  67. Negzz says:

    Look, anyone who loves the Hawks is ok in my book, we’re all aggravated that the wheels seemingly came off for 9-straight, morale is poor, effort is lacking, other teams are improving thru reasonable trades and Hawks mgmt does not seem to have the answers. Perhaps Jr pulls a blockbuster trade off that helps the club by tomorrow- noone will be happier than me.. Perhaps we limp into the offseason and are able to do some major roster work then without mortaging the future. Again, I’ll be delighted. To date, however, Bowman has not showed much beyond building a good pipeline of prospects (which certainly counts to his credit), but I have not been a fan of his post-Tallon team building decisions to date. We’ll just have to wait and see….

  68. Ryan says:

    We are all pulling for the same team here.

    Toews injury couldn’t have come at worse time. Right when they turned around the losing streak and started playing well he misses time. I thought we were 1 top 6 type forward away from being really good.

    I know the D hasn’t played well lately but they are without Hjalmarsson and Montador. If we can get those guys back before the end of the year that is like adding a couple quality D men.

    I don’t think we go get a goalie because Emery and Crawfod have played well when everyone in fornt of them is taking care of their business. Plus Salak is playing well. Maybe if we add a goalie it is calling Salak up?

    I still say adding a top 6 forward without getting rid of Kane or Sharp is the way to go this year. It will solidify the top 6 and should provide consistency on the 3rd and 4th lines as well.

    With our depth in the organization I would be willing to part with the 1st round pick. I know our front office doesn’t want to do that, but I don’t see how hoarding picks and prospects in the Current Cap climate in the NHL is beneficial. But maybe that is just me.

    I will however understand if Bowman doesn’t make a move cause it is hard to forecast right now which of our injured players will be ready come playoff time.

  69. Ryan says:

    sorry for the typos :(

  70. James M says:

    No fight, no puck support, no defensive aggressiveness from the forwards. All we have is finesse, which has dried up or been rubbed out by aggressiveness and physicality from other teams. As enjoyable as the 4 game win streak was, remember it was against Rangers backup goalie, Detroit without Datsyuk and Columbus…

  71. glenn anderson penalty against LA says:

    the hawks are trying very hard to secure an early golfing season.

  72. James M says:

    PS. Morrison is awful

  73. JoeyG says:

    let’s look at what happened to our management. the president is a joke ,he showed what he had when he was with the Cubs! ScotStan didn’t do anything to bring us the Cup. They blamed Dale for all the salary porblems, but I’ve never worked for a company that one person can make decisons without approval from the chairman and president.I’m in sales and have a lot of passion form my work, it doesn’t appear the the players have much left. It’s embarishing that Ray had to start a fight . How many hits have we had in the last 20 games? My advise is to have JR be in the locker room and on the bench.

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