Chicago Blackhawks New Year’s Resolutions

It is the final day of one of the most ridiculous years anyone has lived through. Whether it’s being a professional athlete, a sports fan, a student, a professional, a parent or just a human, it’s been a long, hard year.

The good news is tomorrow the calendar reads 2021. This calendar year can be put in the books and we can walk into a hopeful new year filled with the promise of a fresh beginning.

As many tend to do, New Year’s resolutions are intended to be a To Do list for the new calendar year.

Here are a few New Year’s resolutions for the Blackhawks, the organization and the fans.

The Players

Jonathan Toews – get yourself back to where you need to be in life. Then, if possible, get back on the ice leading the Hawks.

Kirby Dach – get healthy.

Patrick Kane & Duncan Keith – stay healthy and lead the young team through what is shaping up to be a tough 2021 season.

Brent Seabrook & Andrew Shaw – stay healthy and get back to being an important part of the team.

Dominik Kubalik – build on what you did at the end of last season.

Ian Mitchell & Adam Boqvist – get used to being a key part of the Blackhawks’ blue line. Learn as much as you can from Duncan Keith.

Calvin de Haan & Connor Murphy – explore real estate opportunities in Seattle.

The Organization

Rocky Wirtz – continue evaluating everything. If people aren’t doing their jobs well, continue making changes. And, please, pay your marketing department well in the coming year(s) because selling the on-ice product isn’t going to be easy for a while.

Stan Bowman – hire a general manager to run the rebuild. Take the organizational decisions off your personal plate and let a new voice in the room take the franchise into the next generation.

Jaime Faulkner – try to avoid comparing the next couple seasons to the past decade; very few NHL franchises have enjoyed the levels of success the Chicago Blackhawks have in the last ten years, but the future isn’t the past. Make hard decisions and stay the course.

The Fans

Get used to losing – 2021 isn’t going to be an easy or fun calendar year. With the players already missing from the lineup to start the coming season, things are not looking like a championship is coming soon. Embrace the legacies of the stars we can still cheer for and look to the future.

Have patience – there are reinforcements coming. The future is coming and we’ll start to see some of the young players in the next generation this season. But don’t lose your minds over single performances or stretches of play. Remember that Keith, Seabrook, Kane and Toews all had to learn how ot be superstars. Try to give the kids the chance to develop.

Continue supporting the team – what makes Chicago fans special is, through bad and good times, the fans are there. That hasn’t always been the case for the Blackhawks; many of us remember a nearly empty United Center. While ticket prices might not make attending games a reality for many, watching on television and wearing the hats, shirts and jerseys is still a way fans can keep the team part of the heartbeat of the city. Don’t walk away when the times get tough.

114 thoughts on “Chicago Blackhawks New Year’s Resolutions

  1. Chris Peters the hockey writer for ESPN has posted each teams top 10 prospects. He’s generally very astute and thought Lukas Reichel was a great pick by Mark Kelley.

    Unfortunately you need a subscription to read his top 10 prospects and profiles. If anybody has one. Try to cut it and paste it here please.

  2. Craig, if Reichel was judged to be somewhere between Stutzle and Paterko – based on watching those two in the WJC – that bodes well for us.

  3. You missed the Coach Colliton resolutions.With this realignment and playing the same teams so often he better start resembling a NHL Coach and make adjustments and line matching on a shift to shift basis.With this personnel we may have to play a left wing lock.

  4. AMEN!!
    Ready to turn the page on this god awful year.
    We’ve been spoiled for ~10 years.
    We still have arguably the greatest American born player since Brian Leetch to call ours & watch every night. At least we have that. Cheers to all of you faithful for a better, healthier 2021!

    p.s. Detroit still sucks.

  5. Rocky:. Take the helm once again, tell empty headed son to tell Bowman to discharge the coach as soon as practicable.

    Thanks.

  6. Wish all you guys a healthy year 21
    And wish the Hawks players to have fun playing hockey ,loosing or winning just give your best and enjoy growing together.better days are in front of us
    Life is beautiful
    ;)
    Love my Hawks.

  7. Good stuff

    We had 3 cups. More blessed then any other time or sport in this town in many decades.

    I will keep wearing my jersey. Driving my car with all my Blackhawks stickers and licence plate.

  8. I resolve to no longer talk about the long, long, long, litany of Bowman failures of recent history.

    I also resolve to not bash those that think this man has done/is doing well.

    C Minus work, says Tab about this man.

    But all bets are off once Bowman make his next idiot decision.

    Good riddance 2020.
    Terrible year. Easily surpassed 2001.

    HNY.

  9. It’s going to be a brutally tough season. There isn’t enough talent to grab many points in the standings. Key for me will be Ian Mitchell’s development. A lot is riding on this young man. I’ve already written off Adam Boqvist. Sorry if that offends anyone here, but I’m 57 years old and have followed this team with passion since the early 1970’s. I don’t see a capable enough NHL defenseman in Boqvist. Sadly, I think he’s going to turn out a colossal bust.

    So for me, it’s watching the development of Mitchell and thinking about the 2021 draft. I suppose there will be some excitement on who the Hawks can flip at the deadline, but to be honest other than Connor Murphy there isn’t a lot of value the Hawks will be willing and able to move. I also hope Jonathan Toews is able to fight the good fight in whatever ails him…I have a troubling feeling his NHL days are over and he is in a battle for his life. God’s peace to the Captain.

  10. Good will, warmth and health to Captain Toews. Hope the young guys realize he won’t be carrying their loads anymore. Step up and do good in the name of your captain.

  11. If you have been a fan for awhile (like many of us here) you are already used to losing. The flood of Cups came so thick and fast that it kind of caught me of guard. By contrast, my buddy is a Habs fan and after winning so much for so long the dry spell wears on him. Based on those early years our expectations are quite different: for him winning is expected; for me it’s a bonus. Our younger fans are about to find themselves in the same position as my buddy.

    If we win sometime again great. If not, no big deal. All I want is a team that plays hard every night. Some of my favorite Blackhawk teams were Keenan’s because he got the boys to bring that. That’s all I ask for.

  12. Lets us not forget Colton’s resolutions:
    1) Limit Kane and Keith to 20 min per night
    2) Play the young player no mater how inviting the veterans maybe
    3) Play a defensive scheme that best fits your player
    4) Earn the team’s respect, they can’t trade everyone away who you don’t along with
    Here are a few to add to Bowman’s list
    1) Assess your medical staff
    2) Player development is important, you can not count on always getting top 3 picks
    3) Keep Kane, in 5 years when the Hawks maybe be cup worthy and it would be good for the team to rally around a Hawk’s cup veteran
    4) If JC cannot figure out that we are in player development phase and coach them up , move on to new coach

  13. The Hawks will almost certainly land a high draft in 2021 to add to Reichel, Dach, Mitchell and Boquist

    Plus Dcat is still very young, Kube is not old either and maybe Suter works out and who can forget Nylander (ok big question mark there but still possible he works out)

    IMO Boquist will be a player – with expectations low for the team this year he and Mitchell and Carlsson should see a lot of TOI and I think we’ll like what we’re seeing development wise

    Way too early to bail on Boq’s talent

    Also looking forward to one of the goalies showing that they’re a piece of the future

    Also looking forward to players like Kurashev and Hagel getting a long look

  14. Each game this season will be one of survival. The overall talent level is amazingly bad right now. And those poor 3 goaltender candidates are in a no win situation. To the point they won’t be able to be properly assessed. You play a season, even an abbreviated one, where you are the underdog virtually every game and it takes a big toll. I’ll be very interested to see how the psyche of Kane and Keith holds up week to week. They will be counted up to be stoic leaders, and neither has ever relished or embraced being a true leader on the ice. It’s not in their DNA. At some point it would be natural for each of them to get ticked off and disgusted. And to mail it in on the ice. I doubt very much either future Hall of Famers allows that to happen, but like I said I worry about their psyches holding up.

    Look forward to Boqvist perhaps proving me wrong. But I put those chances at minuscule. He’s not a NHL grade blue liner. And his supposed quarterbacking skills are terribly overrated. I am not one to subscribe to the tired excuse so often used in such circumstances…the “yeah but he’s young and will develop” argument. Hogwash. And don’t anybody dare make the comparative to Keith at a similar age, because Boqvist flashes none of the talents or qualities that oozed out of Keith within a short year of his departure from the Michigan State hockey program.

  15. Top Avalanche draft pick Alex Newhook suffered a bad Shoulder injury in the Junior Tournament last night.He was projected as a number 2 Center for 2022 season.

  16. Great post wraparound. It would be fantastic if we had a prospect could out the blue and turn into a player. Wyatt Kalynuk is a possibility. Fingers crossed.

  17. Wrap agree, like to see Suter, Kurashev, Hagel play together as line and see how they do. Let Walmark, Janmark, Soderberg and maybe Strome likely be playing with Kane, Cat and Kubalik trying to hold the fort as best they can this year until top 6 is healthy. Use the other 2 lines to find a decent bottom 6 this year wouldn’t be a bad approach.

  18. Wallmark is going to be a nice surprise. He has scored 10 and 11 goals in the last two seasons. Tripp Tracy, the color analyst for the Carolina Hurricanes, loves him.
    He says Wallmark plays the game the right way every shift, is always in perfect position, always hustles for 200 feet.

    Looking forward to seeing him.

  19. Taking a look at who the Hawks will count on to score this season is pretty … well … actually, not very pretty. Kane, DeBrincat and Kubalik can put the puck in the net … if they have the puck. Strome can create offensive chances for his teammates … if he has the puck. Yeah – that’s pretty much it, at least as far as we know at this point. Maybe Suter will be as good as we hope. Maybe a Kurashev or Hagel will seize their opportunity and blossom right before our eyes. Maybe I’ll win the lottery … it could happen … although I probably need to actually buy a lottery ticket for that one to happen – unlikely.

    So, we’re probably not going to score much this season … but not to worry because we have our all star studded d-corps and Vezina candidate goaltending to stop the other guys from scoring … oh wait.

    Pretty dire prognosis isn’t it. But, it has to be this way for a while. Embrace it and find the things that are signs of growth – they will be there to be found. Thankfully this season will be abbreviated to only 56 games and next season will be better.

  20. Erik Karlsson or Mystery box?
    Andrew Shaw or Mystery box?
    Tons of examples where the mystery box does not turn out to be a bust.

    Look at how many mystery boxes are in the top twenty five scores in the nhl.

    Draft picks are the lifeline of every nhl team.
    Yes Ian even Vegas is made up of draft picks regardless of how they got them.

    The Panarins of the nhl are few and far between.

    Montreal and all of its mystery boxes are going to turn the Habs into a really good team.
    While many draft picks do turn into busts every veteran eventually retires because they get injured or their level of play drops off a cliff.
    Then there is Marion Hossa.
    Father Time catches up to everyone.

  21. The conversation was Vegas built their roster by acquiring actual players not drafting and developing. They are going to need to draft and develop to maintain the roster in coming years, see how it works for them. Obviously the best scouts available try to get the best 200 players or so drafted every summer, so if most players aren’t drafted by somebody time to overhaul the system.

    Draft is an important part no arguments, but just look at top 3 picks in each draft from 2010 to 2019 and count up cups won, agreat big 0, none. Florida had a 1st, two 2nds and a 3rd, not coincidentally 2D and 2F similar to what was successful for Blackhawks are still struggling on the ice to have success. Edmonton has well documented had over a half a decade worth of the very best draft spots. Devils yet too see success from their high picks, only Avs look like only true contenders of who had miltiple top 3 picks in those drafts. Quite obviously as Leafs discovered it takes more than just good drafts.

    Looking at next year when healthy again Dach and Toews down the middle, with Kane, Cat, Kubalik as 3 top 6 wingers, Nylander likely gets a chance as other winger to start. Reichel adapting in Rfd. getting ready for a callup, maybe Strome still around as depth. A solid bottom 6 foundation to compliment them would be a huge plus out of this season.

    Craig, I looked forward to getting a look at Kaynuk this season. With Keith, Dehaan and Zadorov going to take most of left side minutes to start. Carlsson seems to be next on depth chart at present, looks like Beaudin and Kalynuk are 5 and 6 on left side depth. Vlassic coming in next year or 2 maybe impact his opportunities too. Kaiser and Philips will be developed as left shot D men too in coming years. So hopefully he forces his way in what could be a brief window for him to do so. Right shot D they have Boqvist, Mitchell, Murphy, Seabrook, Regula in Rfd. this year, Moberg a possible 3td pair role guy, could get an elc next year and Krutil and Kriever who they will develop from draft.

  22. If you think about it, there has not been one post on any Hawks blog that espouses optimism for the coming year. We all understand that. Why would there be? It will be interesting to see if fans blame Colliton for the probable coming difficulty. Agree wholeheartedly with HHNL about playing Kane and Keith reasonable minutes.

    The Captain needs to get well. You could read in to Tab’s resolution for the Captain that there are multiple issues. I don’t know anything about that, but if there are, hopefully he can tame all of them. We’re pulling for you, Captain. Not only because the Hawks need you but because you seem like a genuinely good guy.

    It is exciting to know that we have hockey back in 2 weeks. It’s not the way we would like it but it will be interesting.

  23. ROBS, I didn’t take anything from Tab’s remarks on Toews that suggests multiple issues. I took him to mean the one issue he has must be addressed from a life/health perspective before worrying about resuming his hockey career.

  24. Disclaimer: I may be stretching to find a silver lining – but hey, that’s what I do. Sorry, not sorry. :=)

    I feel like the pressure of expectations has been lowered to the point of almost being removed entirely. Going into every season in recent memory, certainly since T&K happened, there is a hopeful expectation of how the Hawks will do. With that expectation comes the emotional rollercoaster of living/dying with each ebb and flow throughout the season.

    Even the last 2-3 seasons when we knew in our hearts the Hawks weren’t good enough to compete with the big boys, we held on to some level of unrealistic hope the old core players would, through the sheer will of a champion, lead them to victory. We got a taste of it when the Hawks were gifted a playoff berth and vanquished the hapless Oilers, only then to play a legitimate playoff team and be dispensed forthwith. While that was fun for a minute, it didn’t completely gloss over the ups and downs of the regular season when we were emotionally bounced back and forth between wanting them to win enough to sneak into the playoffs to give the old core one more kick at the can and not win so much it hurt their draft position.

    Now, Crawford is gone so we can’t play the “ride a hot goalie in the playoffs” card. Dach is out. Toews is out, a least for a while. Any illusions of grandeur are delusions – which is what I’m saying is actually a good thing. We don’t have to sit on the edge our our seat or live and die with every win and loss. There are no hopeful expectations other than to see the young players play and that is not dependent on team wins and losses.

    Yep, I’m going to scooch back from the edge of my seat, put my feet up and relax and enjoy these 56 games of discovery and development. We had to get to this point eventually and there’s a freedom in finally getting here. FREEDOM! Yeah baby.

  25. 3 things i’m watching for this season:

    1. To see if there is an answer in house for goalie situation or there is need to look elsewhere until one can developed.
    2. How the defense evolves, with Boqvist, Mitchell and Carlsson showing some promise in their development and maybe one or 2 more younsters getting some Nhl time and impressing.
    3. A base for the bottom 6 forwards coming together to be able to roll 4 lines confidently and take the pressure off a developing and hopefully healthy top 6 group in another year.
    Also hope this type season is more in Colliton’s wheelhouse and he can be an asset in advancing their development.

  26. Just reading about the taxi squad for this year of 4 to 6 players – as I understand it these players don’t count against the cap but they have to pass waivers to be sent back unless they’re waiver exempt

    So if you stack your taxi squad with all waiver exempt players then I think (Ian correct me if I’m wrong) you have 29 players (if your taxi squad is 6 ie, 23 on roster + 6 = 29) from which to choose your line up each and every game

    So for example Mitchell (who is waiver exempt) could be on the taxi squad but still play most or all games – this would allow someone who isn’t waiver exempt to be on the 23 man roster – someone like a 7th D man like Seeler or Lindholm

    Under this scenario even if Mitchell were on taxi squad I don’t think there are any restrictions on when you could play him

    The way I see it players like Kurashev, Hagel, Carlsson and Lankinen (who are all waiver exempt) should be on the taxi squad so they can come in and out of the line up at will

  27. This. This is a good thing to remember. 2021 top 5 skill draft player Babaaaay!

    Tab headline.
    Have patience – there are reinforcements coming. The future is coming and we’ll start to see some of the young players in the next generation this season. But don’t lose your minds over single performances or stretches of play. Remember that Keith, Seabrook, Kane and Toews all had to learn how ot be superstars. Try to give the kids the chance to develop.

  28. Nice. This is sweet for us to play more prospects/on a yr like this.

    The Limo.

    WRAPAROUND
    January 1, 2021 at 11:49 am
    The way I see it players like Kurashev, Hagel, Carlsson and Lankinen (who are all waiver exempt) should be on the taxi squad so they can come in and out of the line up at will

  29. Now reading the earlier posts. Yea Suck it DET.

    Only reason we were 1-3 in 2013 refs let them get away with 40 hooks holds interferences every game.

    Like Bolly says after he smears your player into the wall.

    Suck on thaaaaaat!

  30. Like we said 8 days ago. Thats the end of that shit.

    Bowman can get a new GM when time is right/available and go from there. We have some time until we need that because were not aquiring the deepness part of the 23man this yr/next yr. In a couple yrs yes.

  31. Westside, not going against your grain. Boq positive thing is the league wasnt ever this fast before recent 5 yrs and has more then ever before smaller sized puck moving defensemen/rover? Soupy? So he could be good in that way.

    Yes we do need two top pair D guys that are very good at D though. 2021 draft and ufa in a couple yrs. Bingo Bango.

  32. Wrap that’s right taxi squad can be used that way. Only 23 on active roster at a time, at least 2 are goalies. I kinda mentioned that before about Boqvist, Mitchell and Carlsson could rotate on and off Taxi squad and Suter, Hagel and Kurashev for forwards, plus Lankinen called off taxi squad when he is starting. There are 13 forwards, 7D and 2 goalies who require waivers and Strome not counting injured players, Smith cleared to play to. So would still need to put 3 or 4 at least through waivers to have desired flexibility to make it work. Players going to ir would create room too buy right now all from playoff ir are cleared to play.

  33. Number 1 overall picks Crosby and Kane have won multiple cups.
    Number 2 overall picks Ovechkin, Malkin and Hedman have won the Stanley Cup

    If the hawks wouldn’t have had so many high draft picks does anyone in their right mind believe that they would have won three Stanley Cups?

    Picking in the top three can change everything…Look at Chicago and Pittsburgh. Chicago with Kane and Towes and Pittsburg with Crosby and Malkin. Corner stones of their franchises.

    To this date Vegas has won absolutely nothing.

  34. Stape i’ll say it again drafting is important and of course they were a major part of those cups. That’s what i was saying when everything falls together it’s great. Look at the Pens how many years to realize multiple cups, their fans and many hockey people were saying tear it down for years between 2nd and 3rd ones. I’ve said before there is no right or wrong way if you get results. I just don’t see the draft as no brainer sure fire easy method to a championship team, there are. lots of examples to say it doesn’t always happen as hoped as well.

    Takes a long time, years of losing, right veterans need to be added to mix and a big dose chemistry. Then maybe you win a cup and maybe you don’t depending upon if enough lucky breaks fall your way. Another good draft pick next summer, a few more key adds, this team has potential. What i consider could be the right veterans for the mix too, they needed veterans to take them over the hump when they wre youngsters, became the best for a few years, now can top off their careers taking the next group if young players over their hump to be contenders. Alot better than watching playoffs than watching balls fall for years with finhers crossed hoping it’ll be better in few years, neither way comes with guaranteed results.

  35. Proven player over draft pick anytime unless the return is ridiculous or the player is not part of near future.
    Karlsson is a great example…picked 15th over all (which btw was Nashville’s pick originally before trade) so a team that need only barely miss the playoffs (though I’m not sure of draft order rules either lottery for that year), it is a crap shoot and who thinks this draft class is worse for having less hockey to play (presumably)? Anyone care to weigh in? Draft picks theoretically should be cheaper to come by since teams will ne scouting lesss(probably). So yeah load up on picks seems like a cheaper time to do so but I’m just guessing.

    Yeah Shaw great player, 5th round…could have been selected 138 times over before he was picked. Exactly my point it’s tough to predict.

    Also regarding karllsonn how did the Blackhawks draft go that year…Kyle beach 11th overall, you see they COULD have drafted karllsson….

    how else did it go…..Ben Smith in the 7th round, that’s it…..yeah I’ll take Kane over a couple of draft picks thank you very much

  36. Acquiring (or keeping) an established player versus acquiring draft picks is usually a multi-layered proposition. It’s not a simple as “A” versus “B”. The timing of when you need the players to coalesce into a championship caliber team plays into it as does the salary cap implications of the players involved.

    If the Hawks were close to being a legitimate contender for the Cup, then it wouldn’t make sense to trade Kane for futures because the future would be at our doorstep now. But that isn’t the situation the Hawks are in. A more realistic expectation is the team will not a legitimate championship caliber team for several years – at best.

    Admittedly there’s a catch-22 at play here because because trading Kane for players or picks will accelerate the rebuild but then Kane won’t be part of the rebuilt team versus keeping Kane means the rebuild will take longer which means Kane may not be an elite level player anymore by that time.

    For me, I think the deciding factor is how long will it take the Hawks to rebuild. If it’s within a couple years – then a solid argument could be made for keeping Kane. If, on the other hand, it will take more than 2-3 years – then I would vote to trade Kane as soon as possible to get the assets acquired in the trade into the Hawks system sooner than later.

    I think it’s going to take more than 2-3 seasons for the Hawks to be in position to legitimately contend for the Cup – therefore I say trade Kane now.

  37. Unfortunately, the next Hawks cup win will probably come without Kane, Keith, or Toews on the roster (I’m assuming Bowman will resign Seabrook again so he’ll be here..jk..I think). However, Bowman knows that as long as Toews and Kane are Hawks, fans will continue to come to the UC to watch them..so I can’t envision a scenario where either of them are traded. Toews, Kane, Keith, and Seabrook are here to stay because of their NMC’s anyway so each year’s roster will just have to be built around them. All you can hope for is that by the 22-23 season, they can all still contribute to what should be a very young roster. Now, glass half full, with the salary cap in place, there really isn’t a ”favorite” for the cup each year any longer. As long as you’re not one of the obvious worst teams in the league, you’ve got a chance to compete each year. If even just a few of our young players take a real leap, this team could make a run in a couple of years. Just as an exercise, here’s what a lineup could look like in 22-23 without adding any foreign pickups/free agents/draft picks from the next two years drafts, etc

    Cat-Toews-Kane
    Suter-Dach-Kubalik
    Reichel-Kurashev-Entwhistle
    Barratt-Kampf-Wallmark

    Keith-Boqvist
    Carlsson-Mitchell
    Vlasic-Regula

    Two quick points regarding the defensemen. 1. I think it’s obvious the Hawks need a number one defenseman who preferably is left handed. Replace Keith with Owen Power or Zach Werenski and the blue line looks much better. 2. I like the potential versatility of the right handed defensemen..I think any of the three could match up on any pairing and be fine. Anyhoo, I think this is the type of lineup Bowman is looking to create. One that is young and compliments the older core four. I’d be happy to go into the playoffs with something like this. Lots of young energy within the roster.

  38. Would give up tey on 19 88 winning 4th Cup. Kaner could play to 43 if he really wants and the team is good and it will be before then.

    Honest, your right but I think a lot of elite players come from top 3 draft picks/and or 5-10 area more then not so I want that everytime we can. Yea I wouldnt trade 88 unles it was all top 3 draft picks.

    Let 19 88 get 4th Cup when they are older like DET Lindstrom did. Theyll have just enough time to weak one in there at the end.

  39. Whats wrong with having 19 88 when they are past there prime yrs. They can still be good players from 35-40. Just not have high caphits.

    I would rather have them 35-40 then not because Honest says draft isint for sure. So for draft as many as possible draft picks is the way.

  40. Next year will be a good year to watch Blackhawk hockey. Wins are not going to be expected but solid hockey play is. Watching the growth of young players and team play is expected.

    Goalie situation.
    At the present time we have nothing but a guess. I believe a team needs a veteran for leadership. A former #1 to have others learn how to be #1. I keep pushing for Fluery for that reason and he has 2 years to teach mainly Lakinen or be a bridge for others. (Nabilov, Comesso) Of course get some assets for us to take him.

    Trading for others
    When we trade for veterans we are for assets and on short contracts or half the cost. Trading for 25 yrs old or less we want them for the future.
    Get Max and get Tuch with a pick. 4.75 for 6 years is going to be an average or less than average contract. Max at 3.5 is great now to substitute for JT’s absence. Then can we move him and eat 1.75? A playoff contender would love Max at 1.75.

    When we trade for young NHL established player then I would give up assets. Our number 1 will be covetted! Is Laine worth a #1? How about Laine and Roslvic. As stated before picks are a crap shoot. Booth young and can grow with the team.

    Chemistry and leadership. Getting the guys to pull the rope in the same direction is a must. People might not like this but I think this would be great.
    Have JT come down and hand over the C to Seabrook. He should give it to him in front of everyone and say “Wear this till I get back”. Give Kane the other A. Or vice versa. I believe giving Seabs the C would want him to have want one longer. He can waive his nmc and make a deal with Seattle to take him.

    Last but not least.
    How many games can our rookies play without messing with their eligibility? If it’s 10 then play them each 9 games in a row at different times in the season to see how they play. That’s 6 sets of 9 games we can have rookies play in the season. Play all of them. Hopefully we can overlap a few.

  41. Forgot one.

    Do not trade Kane! He is still a point producer. He still makes other players better. His quality of play has never diminished. Trade him when that happens. Probably 10yrs from now.

  42. Funny to read some post here…there not one game played this year and already we have a top 3 pick and we also have prediction for the line in 2 years …we can’t say Some guys are in the Now …hahaha …planing for 23-24 draft pick soon ..haha…so funny.

  43. I am not in the trade Kane camp not yet

    He could play at a high level for quite a few seasons yet – assuming Toews is able to return I still believe those two can be the veteran leaders on another Hawks Cup winning team

    Call me delusional but why not – if the rebuild is done right a Cup in 4 or 5 years is possible – after the glory of 3 in 6 years I can wait

    However that said if the rebuild is not done the right way and the trend is not consistently up then trading Kane at some point might be the right thing but not yet IMO

  44. Kane has a no trade contact
    No one in management will ask him to wave it.

    If he would wave the no trade you trade him as soon as possible while he is still one of the top players in the game. “Sell high”
    The hawks are not going to be a cup contender with or without Kane are they?

    Keep Kane until his play diminishes and guess what…..Hawks will get a bag of pucks in return.
    Are you guys really delusional enough to believe Kane will be in his prime when Chicago becomes a real contenders again?

    While I hope Entwistle and Barratt become future Hawks we must all realize these guys played on the fourth line for their teams when they played in the world junior tournament. “4th line” Yes they potentially might make it to the show. But I personally would not bet a penny on that happening.
    People on here saying….well if they just make the playoffs anything can happen.
    If you guys or girls really believe the hawks can win the cup then bet real money on your team and make yourself a fortune because you will be betting on a long shot.

  45. EB hear your arguments, a year from now should be mid season next year again if all goes as projected. I expect to see some real progression from this team, goalie situation should be addressed for near future by then. Have a better idea what Boqvist, Mitchell and one or 2 other youngster are going to look on blueline, forward group should mostly be set, if in a years time things still don’t show enough promise and too much more development needed, then with 19, 88 having only one more year left on contracts, the possibility of moving them may be looked at I would guess.

    Stape to me icing your best team around proven winners and trying to win is how you play the game. Maybe odds of another championship aren’t as great as they once were. Finishing near the bottom for years watching balls drop with crossed fingers, thinking the dynasty this time will bigger and better in a few years is delusional to me.

  46. I think the idea here is that we are going to be a top 5 team again in 4/5 yrs area. So there would be those 35-40 yrs for 19 88 to play when team is good and even though they wont be prime yrs players anymore they still will be good enough of players to be part of it.

    If were not back to top 10-20/midteir in a couple yrs from now/once young wave really starts to kick in then being top 5 in that 4/5 yr area might not. I think we willbecause of 77 and still having 19 88. If we pick 17th and trae 19 88 then no we will suck for a long time.

    So stay the course and load the young wave because that is the only way. We cant add what we need only through ufa. We need some from draft and some from ufa when we have lots of cap space in a few yrs which we will have.

    For now its about development and adding top 5 skill draft players every time we can and this is another yr to do that.

    Another top 3 gem like 77 and a 30/35 pick is waaaaaay better then a 17th and a 55th even with the odds of crapshooting.

  47. Ian, it’s just all projection and speculation, including me.

    First, I want to draw distinction between being an improved team capable of making the playoffs and being one of best 4-5-6 teams in the league capable of legitimately competing to win the Cup. I believe improving enough to make the playoffs can be accomplished in 2-3 years, but improving enough to be one of the best 4-5-6 teams is more in the 4-5 years timeframe (at best). The objective of this youth movement / rebuild should be the latter.

    The main deciding factor for me which leads me to think it will be at best 4-5 years before they are an elite Cup contending team is the d-corps. They are barely farther down the road of the d-corps rebuild than starting from scratch. We don’t even know with any level of certainty that Boqvist and Mitchell are going to develop into key pieces of a championship level d-corps. We have no one in the organization that fits the definition of #1 d-man and those are rarely available on the UFA market or by trade that doesn’t subtract equal value from your team.

    The best case scenario is Boqvist and Mitcell develop into top-4 d-men as we hope they will, we somehow get a true #1 d-man either by draft or improbable acquisition AND they get the requisite 200+ games under their belt to hit their stride when the rest of the team coalesces. At that point the team could be close to matriculating from bottom feeder to playoff team and then to Cup contending team within a couple years as more parts are added (including goalie).

  48. PP – I think the answer to your question is found with the requirements of a trade – that both parties must agree to the trade.

  49. Eb,
    Then Chicago is screwed

    No knowledge hockey team would trade for this current bunch of bozos heading up hockey operations on West Madison St.

    Only thing missing is Mr. Ned, Cookie the clown, and the spinning plate guy.

  50. Where this team goes is almost entirely dependent on goaltending.
    Morrison its impossible to trade kane for a top five pick because(and I believe this is what you were eluding to but to clarify…though why bother I’ve posted this numerous times)
    1. Any team he goes to, unless its detroit or some other predetermined terrible team the pick will be no where near the top five. Odds are any team he goes to is already working on a playoff run.
    2. At this point assuming you trade for nothing but prospects and picks ylthe hope now is the Blackhawks are worse so the Blackhawks first round pick……..AND WINS THE LOTTERY and then turns out to be a star…..or they could draft third overall and have Dylan Strome or first overall and have Nail Yakupov…..sooooo to take this logic a step further

    2A. If this team is as bad as most people think (and I’ll go ahead and state my stance again…it totally almost depends on the goaltending and I think the overall roster was much better, at least before toews and dach got hurt), so if this team is so bad like many here think….well then the Blackhawks are already in the lottery mix for top 3 pick. If you’re already holding a lotto ticket that had a chance for winning do you give away your house to improve that SAME lottery tickets odds of winning a small percentage? A small percentage…and you STILL may lose. Doesnt make sense to me…already have a potential winner in hand(if goaltending sucks)…why crash your car to collect insurance? You’ll never cover the worth of a working car.

    3. Pretty much no way you trade kane unless some salary comes back so provably will be a halfway decent player so you may not even improve your lottery odds that much. If you’re just eating a bad salary …well you’ve got some room now just do that and get a draft pick prospect…why complicate things?

    4.moving kane given the salary is tough, some say eat the salary again…counter productive, the return better be enormous, multiple first round picks again noting unless a team totally falters like the sharks with atrocious goaltending those picks are likely near end of first round and no where near top five, I doubt any team would do it.

    Seems obvious to me you move the most traceable pieces. Nearly every mock draft I’ve read has connor Murphy going to Seattle. I think hes pretty good. Seems obvious to me you trade him now. So keen on landing a first round pick? Okay offer a fourth rounder with Murphy to get the first,whatever, again the pick likely wouldn’t be top five anyway

    Staple, entwistle and barrat were both also mystery boxes as well. Really easy to make a point when you use selective information in the cases of shaw and Karlsson information dating back 10 and 13 years later…by the way sharks fans mostly hate Karlsson. I addressed the senators winning said trade directly above largely due to the faltering of the sharks in particular the goalkeepers.

  51. Without a top 5/10 NHL established goalie and 77 19 not playing for enough games I think were bad enough to get top 2 3 4 5 6 pick on our own.

    I donot think we ll get that high of picks for 88 so I am not trading those guys.

    Then we have the ping pong balls and I am going with us getting the 2nd or 3rd.

    Next yr is different with a decent/good goalie 19 77 and young wave getting better. Thats why I want that top 5 skill draft player this yr. Own our own.

  52. It’s very difficult to know what the future will be in three or four years. Keith will be gone. Kane’s will be 35-36 ish. You can’t project being a top shelf team based strictly on faith in Dach. There will need to be at least three or four elite top shelf players on their primes to even think about a return to team elite status in 3 years.

    Right now the future is as clear as mud. Dach? Well, is he really going to be THAT good and will be even be a guy who maintains health? I have no idea and neither do any of you. And beyond Dach I don’t see a current player in the system who “could” project as an elite top shelf player who will be in his prime in 3 years. I like Mitchell a lot. I like Kubalik. But neither guy is on a trajectory to be an elite NHL player.

    So maybe if things go right Dach is one of the guys I describe in 3 years. Beyond that it’s a crapshoot what may or may not happen.

  53. EB, I don’t nean a top 5 team by next year, just expect to see a big step forward with this season and another year next season to develop.

    Honest absolutely goaltending is going to play a big part. Remember though, year when Blues won their cup, Binnington was still a 4th stringer in the Ahl at this time of year, then Berube took a chance on him. Probably mo chance they win that cup without him getting a shot. Similar for Murray and Pens 2nd cup. One difference though as other posters have noted here is those teams draft and develop goalies, unlike Bowman, so as we have said, Lankinen the goalie who likely has the chance to surprise. If not I think and have said, acquiring a goalie ahead of expansion draft most probable scenario rayher than via fa.

    EB, Stape and those in the trade Kane camp, would you move him to Florida for Spencer Knight and a 1st rounder plus some likely lesser pieces. I still wouldn’t, just wondering how that type of deal looks to you.

  54. Keep accumulating draft picks in the top three rounds and common sense or the odds will tell you your chances of getting lucky as well as getting depth in the system will rise dramatically.
    I will give you some selective information in the case of Andrew Shaw for the second time where you might want to rethink the trading for the proven player over the draft pick every time.
    I’m not going to go into the exact details of the Shaw trades. Bottom line..
    Shaw to Montreal for Debrincat
    Shaw plus his cap hit to Chicago for Alexander Romanov
    In both of these selective cases taking the proven player was a bad move.
    It’s my opinion that accumulating draft picks year after year would help the hawks in the long run.
    Is it foolproof no….Has trading for proven players in the past four years done anything to improve future Hawks teams?
    Please remind me what picking up proven players in the last four years has accomplished except for burning up cap space.
    Just a reminder hawks had great goaltending last year and the team was still useless.

  55. I would not trade for Spencer Knight nor would I draft a goalie in the top 10
    If you trade Kane just remember the capspace gained can also be used to add more assets or potentially take on some other teams bad contract to gain more depth.
    I just don’t want to see the hawks hold onto these ageing assets and get absolutely nothing in return.
    Remember when I asked why the hawks didn’t even ask Crawford to wave his no trade. Instead they let him walk for nothing…bad management

  56. Ian, I wouldn’t trade Kane for Knight because I just don’t trust goalies to pan out at the same probability rate as d-men or forwards. The return for a half priced (50% salary retained) Kane should be at least a dynamic almost sure fire prospect like a Cozens from Buffalo or Kakko from NYR – something along that line – plus a draft pick or two. Kane at $5.25M for 3 more years is about as good a deal as you can get and it will cost a pretty penny in future assets.

  57. Stapw, Trading for the return of shaw in my eyes was a bad move, at least in terms of the price, blame Stan. I am happy he returned but I think a fourth rounder would have been far more fair. His injuries were obvious multiple concussions and style of play indicating more would be coming. Never did I suggest trading high draft picks for injury ridden players especially when dealing with a team, in this case Montreal, up against the cap and desperate for cap space to give offer sheets to star players or try to trade for them, etc.so trading back for him is a bad example as in my eyes I see a trade of draft picks for an injury ridden player. That said my Montreal fan friends said Shaw was the best player on the team so theres that, three good years from Shaw on a team that didnt see the playoffs except once.

    Fact of the matter is Andrew Shaw has played a total of 26 games with the Blackhawks under a new coach.

    May as well add in most people posting here seem to think shaw is a 4th liner at best or apparently is never playing again. We will see.

    So do I think trading for players with a list of recent injuries for high draft picks especially from a team desperate to shed salary is a good idea, no and I never, ever said that.

    Debrincat is an outlier. Just look at the draft, he could have been drafted 38 times over, most drafted before him are just getting their first look at the nhl. Sure Austin matthews has a ton of points but I hear toronto doesnt play defense. Bottomline the price to get Shaw back was way too high and shouldnt have been.

    I’m sorry what players have the Blackhawks picked up the last four years at a loss of draft picks?

    Cam ward? No offense but I didnt think he was good before he came here and I’m pretty sure he was a freeagent. Konitz? His family is here, I’ll wager he asked to sign here and not the other way around again not a loss of a draft pick. Heck the year quenville was fired if I didnt know any better I would say stan put together that terrible roster on purpose. Who else? Lehner? He wasnt traded for I dont think. He was however Traded for picks and quite frankly surprised the return was so low. Tommy Wingels? What proven player did the Blackhawks acquire in the past four years are you referring to?

    Saad maybe? What proven players are you talking about? Dehaan? They got him for a bag of puck( I think, how are those players doing?)

    Murphy maybe? Well hjarlmassin had been resigned in AZ and I believe is making more than Murphy so, anyway I have no clue who you are talking about other than Shaw.

    Thomas junco? I bet Hossa had some say so on that pickup,just a guess. Not exactly a proven player.

    Also I gave a look and Alexander Ramanov was not part of the Shaw trade.

    Alexander Ramanov was part of the wesse fleischmann trade which I think everyone at the time thought was dumb even as the team was chasing a cup, either way a dumb trade. That would be fleishmanns last stop in the nhl

  58. Was the Ramanov dude one of the 2nd picks we gave MTL. I donot know.

    You all make good points and are right.

    I want top 5 skill draft players. Then if we still suck with 19 88 and top 3 draft players you guys got me.

  59. Westside, I am going with 77 this drafts top 3 draft player and adding ufa top pair D guy is three elites while keeping 19 88. Say Dunks retires then we have another 5.5 to add another elite ufa where Seabs caphit covers the ufa top pair guy/seth jones. That has to be close or it. Then we need a goalie at least to Nemos standards.

    Sure if we donot do that then yea we donot have enough elites. I think we do that and do. Then its all trickle from then on.

  60. Watching the Canada / Czech World Junior game and trying to keep an eye on the two Hawks prospects playing for the Czech`s. The Czech`s look overmatched but Krutil ( # 28 ), the right shot defenseman, looks to have good size and mobility and seems to be on the ice a lot. He might be a good prospect for us. Teply ( # 11 ), the right shot winger has to me not looked as good. He`s got good size and but looks a little lumbering in his skating…….so far, to me, the upside is not there.

  61. How did Carolina end up with Torontos first round draft pick?
    Was Carolina thinking by taking on a bad contract it might be a really easy way to pick up an extra lottery ticket? Potential future team depth?

    Instead of looking to build any type of depth for future Hawks teams Bowman immediately wasted cap space on I believe it was Shaw, Smith and Matta.
    Correct me if I am wrong. DeHaan was a total waste of cap space as well.
    These type of injury prone players are are just taking potential jobs from younger guys and eating cap space.
    Bowman made all of these moves to try to make the playoffs and save his job.
    Honest guy are you satisfied with the just participating and trying to make the playoffs?
    I believe in building a strong team through the draft. Quit trying to play guys like Duncan Keith 30 minutes a game and definitely take Keith off of the power play.
    Stan is a man without a real plan other than collecting a paycheck.

    If Andrew Shaw was Montreals best player why would they trade him? (Sell high)
    Is Montreal trying to give a young player a chance as well as gaining cap space.
    Kinda like what the hawks should be doing…picking up tons of draft picks and getting a deep young roster.
    Look at Montreals future draft picks then look at Chicagos.

  62. No Morrison that was my mistake. Romanov was part of the Danault trade disaster by Bowman.

  63. Players acquired can be either a good move or bad move depending on the situation. Up until they traded Lehner at the TDL last season the Hawks had been in “win now” mode so acquiring veterans like Shaw, deHaan, and Maatta fit that template. An argument I would support can be made they shouldn’t have still been in win now mode the last couple seasons but if they were trying to give the old core one more kick at the can – mortgaging the future is the price you pay, and they did.

  64. JJRoss-totally agree about Teply. He can get away with his good size, lack of speed in the WHL. He did well but…
    now Krutil looked like he might be a steal. 6’3 and only 18.

  65. Yes, very happy with Krutil`s play and his prospects` for eventually making the Hawks. Not so much for Teply unless his skating and intensity improve immensely.

  66. I’m not sure if the Blackhawks had a buyout to use for buying out Marleau but what they did have, at the time , was resources to get Marleau from toronto as well as the cap space to have him on the roster, even keep him until the trade deadline.

    So why didnt the Blackhawks get Marleau? #1 ask Marleau he was in control of where he was traded #2ask stan, the team had the resources and had the roster space. My bet is it’s more #1 than #2.

    Both Shaw and deHaan were acquired after Marleau was traded and bought out. Matta days before but again didnt matter they had the cap space. So why didnt Marleau come here? Well I dont know what Carolina ‘s income tax is but without looking I’ll guess it is lower than Illinois. Pretty sure Marley had control over where he was traded. I bet he would have accepted a trade to either Florida team as well. Point is Chicago could have traded for Marleau hexk they had the space to keep him on the roster for a year or trade him at the deadline to gain yet another pick.

    One thing to keep in mind here was Stan was expecting the salary cap to go up. It didnt.

    Do I think dehaan is a waste of cap space …well considering he has barely played how can I say no? Stan chased him for years…..years. in fact I think he was going to be a ufa and he still said no to signing here then stan went and got him anyway. Ask Stan.

    So why did montrwal trade shaw(sell high) because Montrwal needed cap space to try to trade for a superstar. You may recall they offer sheeted a Carolina player.which btw would have been a return of three draft picks from Montreal.

    This from montrwal after multiple rumored trade attempts with many teams for many stars.

    Regarding Matta again cite the salary cap was expected to go up. It didnt. Also worthy of not many people noticed Matta was…well he was noticeable during the playoffs this year. He was dumped but whatever they gave up kaylhun for him…not sure why,but hey guess what kahun was a free agent and if he wanted to sign here he could have.

    Regarding matta, dehaan or whoever taking away minutes from prospects here…who are you talking about? There arent any. There are those who think boqvist should have been in the minors more last year playing top minutes in the minors. So who did they steal minutes from exactly? Lucas Carlson? Chad Krys? Beaudin? There is value to developing talent in the minors,not every player jumps to the nhl. Well expect all these guys to be on the taxi squad before Regula. Btw dehaan was hurt most of the time so he didnt take ice time away from anyone.

    OH!!! And one more thing…playing those players would have got them exposed for the Seattle draft! Carlsson at least…who btw may still need to be protected.

    The only player rumored to have been demanding more time was shipped out, Crawford.
    Also regarding cap space and smith….his cap hit was lower than anisimov who I would guess held some value in Panarins transition to living here.

    Regarding participating and just making the playoffs 15 teams do every year. Half the league which is a bit ridiculous. Toews seems to think so. He stated numerous times he wants the team to make the playoffs as he believes anything can happen there. Ask Toews.

  67. Although I should answer your participation question more clearly regarding playoffs. Stated numerous times Crawford should not have played against Edmonton. Beating Edmonton, which to me was obviously going to happen, maybe even with either backup in net, was a huge mistake.

    Who was the playoff experience for? The coach? Nylander in the five minutes and a torn acl? Boqvist? Seruosly who gained experience? Playing four playoff games against vegas worth dropping from top ten pick to near 20th? I dont think so.

  68. Kane was one of three players last year to be in the top 20 in scoring as a 30+ year old(he was 8th)..the other two were Malkin and Ovi..and the other 17 aren’t being traded because they’re either entering their prime or are already in it. So for the ”trade Kane” advocates, trade him for who? Prospects who have never played in the nhl? Back end of the first rd draft picks? Sigh, the only way I entertain a trade for Kane is if I get a top 20 scorer(Connor, Huberdeau, etc) in return, which probably won’t happen. However, that’s the price a gm should have to pay to add a three time cup winner who averages a point per game in the playoffs. The gm is paying for the fact that Kane is a proven playoff difference maker and can immediately make a good team a cup contender. So that gm would have to give up part of their future in order to make immediate cup runs. Without that level of return, I never trade Kane. He’s shown to be remarkably consistent and his style of play lends itself to graceful aging. He’s never provided any evidence that he can’t or won’t produce into his mid 30s.

  69. This. Even though its a crapshoot its better to have more then prob more are hits. Bowman did that that yr now he needs to do what your saying because without two top 10 goalies were not winning in playoffs/until were deep quality deep.

    Kinda like what the hawks should be doing…picking up tons of draft picks and getting a deep young roster.

  70. I think we all agree for the most part that Bowman would have done better by not doing those moves but at the time it was ok/now he has to do exatly what you guys are saying now/load picks prospects. That other way is done now. If he doesnt do it now/from now on then there is something wrong with him.

    And then he should just get a new GM and go with that style/system. Its time now or soon anyways to do that.

  71. I can think of one big reason Marleau didnt want Blackhawks and did CAR. 2010 Stanley Cup when he was in prime.

  72. This. This pissed me off because I really wanted which now could be three top 5 picks.

    Playing four playoff games against vegas worth dropping from top ten pick to near 20th? I dont think so.

  73. Slayer, this is why I think like your saying about 88. Its not worth it unless its bug return.

    Without that level of return, I never trade Kane. He’s shown to be remarkably consistent and his style of play lends itself to graceful aging. He’s never provided any evidence that he can’t or won’t produce into his mid 30s.

  74. Another thing about this is not every yr but I would imagine/without knowing stats that there many more good players from 30-40th pick then 50th.

    Thats where we got 20 12 other? from.

    Playing four playoff games against vegas worth dropping from top ten pick to near 20th? I dont think so.

  75. Tomorrow is the big day for all those Hawks kids who dreams to play in the Nhl ..day 1 training camp ..
    Stay in the now and enjoy every moment.
    Imagine those kids training with guys like Keith,Kane,Seabrook.dreams coming true.
    Can’t wait to see who will be winning those spot for the opening game in 11 days.

  76. 30-40th
    Vlassic
    Debrincat
    Clendening
    Saad

    50-60th
    Mitch
    Krys
    Kayumov
    Knott
    Dahlstrom
    Fournier

    So you can how much better we/CHI did in 30-40 then around that 47-55 area.

    Keep our F in 30-40 picks area please.

  77. Playing devil’s advocate on the reluctance to trade Kane unless you get an established top-6 player in return (like Connor or Huberdeau, as examples), which you admittedly was unlikely – versus what(?) – not trading Kane and having him play out his contract with the Hawks? What purpose does that serve in the youth movement / rebuild process? That seems like a “cut off your nose to spite your face” mindset – if we don’t get what we want we’ll get nothing and like it.

    The only way that makes sense, at least to me, is if you think the Hawks will be in a position to compete for the Cup within the remainder of Kane’s contract (3 years). I don’t think there is anyway the Hawks improve enough in the next two seasons to be a legitimate Cup contender in the last season of Kane’s contract.

    Getting something for Kane when he is as attractive a trade chip as he will ever be, even if it’s less than hoped for is better than digging you heals in and getting nothing. IMO.

  78. EB I still need convinced that trading Kane is best move, before being convinced a bag of pucks for him is better than nothing. There is some good young forwards Dach, Debrincat, Kubalik and Reichel coming soon, that are looking to Kane to get to next level right now. Kane can be a valuable part of how they develop, tearing the heart of the offense away from them is far from a sure fire productive strategy, so unless it’s a game changer type deal, what logic is there in it.

    Agree Teply is a eays away from Nhl roster yet, probably go back to Whl for this year and slide. Could quite likely be one of the 3 or 4 depending lf Strome signs that won’t make the 36 skater limit for camp. Would think, Hakkarainen, Altyarmakyan, B. Morrison, Krys who appears closer to going yo Indy than hedoes getting an Nhl call up at this point, possibly Johnson too. Should be released today who is going and who isn’t.

  79. Ian, keeping Kane to lead and mentor the young forwards is a cogent argument. I would argue that Toews would be better in the leadership/mentor role and keeping him over Kane would be better because Toews would not get nearly as much in return in a trade.

  80. EB leadership no question Toews makes a case of how important both can be. Kane as heart of offense working with them will be huge to their development. After all Panarin spent 6 seasons as just another undrafted Khl player, then had a breakout season and signed by Bowman. After 2 seasons of getting to work with Kane, he has become a hart candidate and offensive star in Nhl. As good as he is, without those first 2 years with Kane helping him adjust to Nhl, he quite likely would not be the confident offensive machine we see today.

  81. Ian …agree that Kane is the offensive leader to teach the kids .specialy that we will have a lot of kids arriving on the team next 2-3 years …so we keep Kane till 22-23 then we MAYBE trade him For 3 first choice and 4 Prospects .. then he come back the next year and sign with the Hawks and continue Teaching the kids at 2 millions per year and get a few Stanley cup with those kids…. ouuppssss. I just woke up …was I dreaming .
    Now let see witch players will make the camp and become a new leader …today they start …yeaaa

  82. The 2 big problems regarding trading Kane now are firstly his 10.5 cap hit – who can take that on (even if Kane waives his nmc) in a flat cap world and secondly a trade for Kane really only makes sense for a contender who generally don’t have high first round picks or prospects like Dylan Cozens to offer in a trade

    I’m not in favour of trading Kane now but even if I were it’s hard to see where there would be a fit with another team where the return would be enough to justify it

    You certainly don’t trade him just because he’s your best asset and you’re rebuilding – the trade has to a very good one – where do people think such a trade could be made?

  83. Morrison.
    Hindsight is 20/20.

    Monday morning quarterbacks are all over the place punching clocks early in the morning, not throwing touchdowns on Sunday afternoons.

    Suppose the Hawks steal a couple vs Vegas and they pull helluva upset?

    Yeah I know, coulda woulda shoulda…

    Point is: Are you still grousing If that happened?

    C’mon man.
    Winning in the playoffs is the paramount, repeat, the paramount goal if you manage to get in.

    Why play at all if draft picks is your goal?

    Pretty low goal if you ask me. Playing for a crapshoot.

  84. The elephant in the room isn`t so much what to do with Kane……… but what does Kane want to do now. He does have a No Trade Clause yes, and no one on the Hawks is about to ask him to waive it, but he`s still a very competitive person ( and the Hawks are not right now ) and it`s not entirely impossible that he personally asks to be traded to try and win another cup or play with some better players for his remaining competitive years. In this case the Hawks don`t have as much control the of the process. A team that still comes to mind is the Buffalo Sabres. Think Hall , Eichel, and Kane as the top line. Hall is only signed there for one year. The Sabres might want him to stay around. Maybe Kane helps I don`t know. What if the best we might do there , and under these circumstances, is Reinhart, Mittlestat, and a 1st or some other combination where you remove Reinhart and add other players and / or picks but in either case the dollars even out somewhat. Do you do it. In any case I would think Cozens would not be on the table for buffalo. Just spitballing.

  85. JJROSS agree a trade only happens if Kane requests it, I have said that before. Theres no indication he isn’t happy, so for now it’s a moot point. Cousins became a force at wjcs when moved to wing after Dach’s injury. Wouldn’t be least bit surprised if he lines up on wing with Eichel and Hall out of camp at least and try to take advantage of that.

  86. If there is a 3 yrs deadline on 19 88 then thats different. With an up and coming young wave/which we need to ass top 5 draft picks now to then 19 88 see that improvement that Ians knows about. 19 88 should be more then willing to do a reasonable yrs/caphit and stay.

    Or even make a deal say trade at deadline then come back as ufa to CHI.

  87. I ll take my chances on top 3/5 draft picks over ufa players that are 25-35. Its the only way I see us gethering enough young wave players to be deep and long lasting and then Cup worthy.

    Any team can build a roster and win/just once. Look at DAL they got a lot of players ufa wise. But I want to be the team that has a deeper roster so when teams like DAL get there they cant beat the TB kind of teams. Teams like CHI LA BOS TB other.

    I would rather load up and yes thats going by top 3/5 picks not 17th picks. 17th picks should be trade ups from 25th.

  88. Thanks Ian. Just to add a little fuel to the fire however is the lack of quality or playmaking centers for Kane to play with, especially now…… no Toews, no Strome yet. He`s looking at Soderberg, Walmark, Kampf, and perhaps more of Carpenter who he was saddled with for far too long last year. If I was him I wouldn`t look forward to coming to the rink to play with those guys anymore. He`s getting paid for sure but I`m not sure he`s happy about it. That, and losing….. can change a mind pretty quickly.

  89. Using Kane’s full cap hit of $10.5M to argue most teams don’t have the cap space to make that trade is ignoring the obvious use of salary cap retention and offsetting salary coming back in the trade. In the trade proposal I have beaten to death – Kane to Buffalo for Cozens+. The trade can easily be constructed to be salary cap neutral for both teams, such as retain $4.5M of Kane’s salary and include Okposo and his $6M cap hit coming back to the Hawks. In that proposal there is literally no difference to either team’s salary cap – the Sabre’s have Kane for $6M for the next 3 years and the Hawks have $10.5M salary cap hit for the combination of Okposo’s $6M cap hit and the $4.5M retained from Kane.

    So – with the salary cap implications taken out of consideration, you’re left with player value to determine if the trade was worth it for both teams. In my opinion, both teams benefit from this trade – Buffalo in the short term (3 years) and the Hawks in the long term (5-10 years).

  90. Yes, even though it was fun to beat EDM I think it was stupid and was a big hit to us getting another really good player. The good thing is we still have time to get top 5 skill draft players. Now that we donot have even one NHL goalie let alone two top 10 goalies just like we did a couple yrs ago that got us 77.

  91. Ross, a trade like that/one good enough might be good to do. We get a proper return for 88 and then we load the young wave better and still add top 5 drafts. Then in a few yrs when 19 88 are ufa 88 could come back seeing our young wave. Which would be better by doing that trade now/on a yr 88 has no one to play with and a couple yrs to gain those chips for young wave.

    Now we have a young wave thats loaded somewhat and 88 comes back as ufa.

  92. If BUFF traded Kane Cozens for Kane (even with the $ balancing out) he might as well hand in his resignation letter becasue he’s be fired

    Cozens in 3 years could easily be as impactful asKane and Eichel will still be in his prime and maybe BUFF could compete at that point

    However Kane in 3 years is UFA and a fading star – unlikely BUFF will be competing under that scenario

    If Kane were to be traded I think he goes to a contender not a pretender like BUFF

  93. JJROSS, true as we see it now it doesn’t look like a good situation for Kane this year but if Strome signs and Toews is unknown how long he is out. All we really know is Bowman indicated he hasn’t felt right since awhile and was dealing with it this summer. Toews statement said it wouldn’t be fair to his teammates to try and keep playing through it and not be at level he thinks he should be, so getting it dealt with. That by no means he will be long term or career ending. All kinds of posts had Crawford’s career over and saw we how that went. If you fill the top centers spots that way and maybe a Janmark or Shaw to round out top 6 and Wallmark as 3c, not near as dire looking. Then add Hagel, Suter, Kurashev and other youngsters in mix to battle for bottom 6 roles with vets, could be more competitive roster if goaltending is there than we assume. Playoffs, unlikely, still be underdog against everybody but Red Wings, but take more from this season than people are thinking.

  94. If I am Stan I’m making the easiest and best move for both long term and immediate future. Seems obvious to me that means move some or all Seattle exposed players worth a damn and not part of the team in two years….who? Probably deHaan and Murphy. Dehaan may be a bit difficult at least at this second being only nine games back from injury so I’ll digress.

    Murphy on the other hand is considered by some to be the teams best defender. Is he? I’ll leave that to your opinion. What he is though is an nhl defender. You slot him anywhere in the top six as your opinion fits….keeping in mind the team he goes to may have a similar defensive system or a totally different defensive system. How will Murphy fit in there? Dont know kinda dont care as long as the return is good. Murphy is also cap friendly for an nhl defender and while to me, he doesnt look it he has some size to him. The only problem with any team who picks him up….odds are they already have Seattle draft problems,but that’s there problem…though most any team trading for him probably is chasing the Stanley Cup and in “win now”.

    I’d also add in zardanov into this list along with a couple other one year contracts they just signed…but how about we let those guys get through training camp before we entertain trading them, it’s the windy city but how about we make them feel welcome for at least three weeks…

    Really this team just needs to work to benefit from the Seattle draft…and focus on developing the prospects

  95. I agree that Buffalo’s willingness to part with Cozens is becoming lesser by the day. When I first started harping on this trade proposal a couple months I think the probability was better than it is now that Cozens has shown his growth in the WJC. Most likely the Buffalo GM and scouts knew how good he was but now the Buffalo fans know it and would raise holy hell if they traded Cozens – and that probably makes a difference in their willingness to make that move. The one mitigating factor is Kane is a hometown kid and would be a marketing bonanza for Buffalo.

  96. While EB and others do have strong arguments re: trading Kane while he still would bring back a premium return, I still don’t feel like the value would be anywhere close to even. As another post correctly mentioned, the playoff teams that would love to add Kane would be trading first round picks that are in the back end of the first round. And the teams that are in the lottery(or were previously in the lottery and have recently drafted in the top 10) aren’t going to move those upcoming picks or their recent draft picks. Would I trade Kane to Vancouver for Petersson+? Or Kane to Carolina for Svechnikov+? I would. But is either scenario ever going to happen? No. And even though I understand the desire to get ”a good return” for Kane instead of potentially nothing if he moves on to another team in three years, I’m o.k. with taking that risk. The nhl has become pretty unpredictable, especially over the last few years as the Hawks, Penguins, and Kings runs have ended. Who knows where this team will be in 2-3 years. This team could very well be ready to make a run in 2-3 years. Imagine this scenario since these are all just thought exercises anyway..the Hawks lock up the 5th or 6th seed in 22-23 and they’re looking for a trade deadline acquisition to add some scoring punch to their top six..would someone of Kane’s caliber be out there? Tampa traded a first rounder this year for Goodrow, we traded a first rounder for a 33 year old Vermette. I know I would rather have a 34 year old Kane already on the roster. His scoring and passing are both elite. It’s so difficult to find a winger who is elite at both. Of course if Q calls and says he’ll trade Barkov for Kane straight up, I help Kaner pack lol (daydreaming about Barkov-Dach down the middle isn’t healthy lol), but beyond that I keep him and build around him as quickly as you can.

  97. So Scott Darling signed a tryout contract with Coach Q down in Florida.

    Sure hope he makes it under Coach Q.

    Genuine good man, and if it works out, a solid number 2 goalie that can play 35% of regular season games.

    Sounds like something a team in the Midwest coulda tried, but is not smart enough to give it a shot.

    Oh well.
    What do you expect from a team that fires Batman and hands the Batmobile keys to Boy Wonder?

  98. Strome signs for 2 years $6M – not bad

    I was hoping for 2 years closer to $5M but the $6 is acceptable

    Now let’s see if Dylan can improve on his play (especially away from the puck) from last year because the Hawks are gonna need him to be better

  99. Dylan Strome at 6 million for two years?

    Wow.

    Softness and a tenderfoot net presence pays off in Bowman land.

  100. 3m? What the thought people here/elsewhere said more like 1 m.

    Now did 77 19 make a difference in that?

  101. MO,in regards to the Strome signing today,I think it is a mistake.As we have all pointed out he is a very soft player who is arguably 1 of the slowest skating centers in the league.He simply can not skate with fast moving forwards,he refuses to backcheck,and refuses to improve his skating.I would have tried to get Roslovic from Winnipeg and move on from Strome.I didn’t want him here at any price let alone 3 Million a year for 2 years.

  102. This guy now has no reason to get dirty in the corners, improve in the face off dot, or go hard to the net.

    And he won’t.

    Bowman is a complete idiot, overpaying this guy.

    But to offer 1 million a year, which 17 would have declined, would be for Bowman to admit he made yet another stupid trade.

    Still, there are those who continue think Bowman has done well recently.

    Amazing.

  103. Tim, yea be fin I guess if it was one yr with 77 19 might not play whole season being just 55 game thing. 2 yrs at 3 m get the F out of here. Unless there is a 17 12 trade in the making/before next yr starts.

  104. I mean we all just spent a lot of time brain storming and effort coming up with ways to fix make roster rebuild wise and then we get that.

    It almost like Bowman and crew did that just to piss people off/purpose.

  105. The Strome deal is a good deal for him and the team. For all the complaints about his deficiencies, he is still an NHL level offensive player who has scored over 50 points which is worth $3M by current NHL standards. Glad it got done.

  106. Stromes qualifying offer in 2 years will be 3.6m or he’s a fa. Guess the reports on Strome wanting 1 year and arbitration rights or higher amount for a 2 year deal Bowman was after were right. Better show up if he gonna earn thst qo.

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