91 thoughts on “Chicago Blackhawks Trade Deadline Recap

  1. I was wrong yesterday when I thought we would make at least one trade but stated that Stan should not make a move just to make a move. If there is no fair value coming back, better to hold.

  2. Bowman is smart. He is saving cap space monies to sign UFA’s to be this summer Jason Spezza (Kuntiz Jr.), Alex Petrovic (Manning Jr.) and maybe Cam Talbot (Ward Jr.). He will re-hire Q and state on the signings “these are Q’s types of players, that’s why we signed them.”

  3. Lol, good caption. Thought he might make a minor move to play the want to make the playoffs game. Don’t expect much more ufa action in the summer either.

  4. Nothing is what I expected. They were strapped with no trade clause contracts on a few over the hill players. Other than Saad their bottom six has no trade value. A lot of deadwood. AA isn’t going anywhere at this point. Maybe this offseason they can concoct a trade for him. He’s actually more valuable to them at this point then anyone you could get for him. I think Bowman did the right thing. Just play it out and maybe they can slip into the playoffs if Craw comes back hot. If not they’ll get a good draft pick. Unfortunately they played pretty good these last 2 games and they were goalie wins for the other team.

  5. Making a trade just to make a trade is stupid, holding on to Saad and Hayden and probably Gus ( Bickel 2.0) is just as stupid. This team is going nowhere and all of you who think bowman is smart?? He’s an idiot riding daddy’s coattails. Why are they in cap hell, cause he gave all those ridiculous NMC or NTC. Bowman didn’t assemble this team Tallon did. He’s made very few trades where hawks ended in right side, very few solid drafts. I’m sorry without Kane’s magic this team is bad. You want see a great GM look at vegas, Pittsburgh doesn’t have many full rebuilds, Stan has never been part of solution.

  6. LT you sound awfully familiar, lol.
    I take back what i said about Sens going in right direction. Looking at what they got for Duchene, Stone and Dzingel is horrible management.

  7. Moving AA would have been nice, but it was a longshot. No takers on Hayden proving that the market for guys who skate like tugboats is thin. Forsling’s last couple of games probably made him untradeable.

    As of this morning, probability of Hawks making playoffs stood at just over 4%.

  8. Not really surprising at all. It comes down to what the Blackhawks have to give and what the other teams need. Not a lot of Blackhawks players were considered in the top (realistic) players for a deal and probably not enough coming back to the Blackhawks to make any deal viable. That’s fine for me. Let this current bunch scrap and see how much they can get done individually and as a team. Then, let the free agency stuff begin in the off season, get in a solid training period for the guys in the summer, and get solid evaluations of who’s on board during training camp.

  9. Bowman’s record speaks for itself, whether you think that is good or bad. What is inexcusable is for the same folks to be burying the same players for having NTC/NMC clauses. * those guys aren’t going anywhere and you can’t make them disappear. Btw last I looked, Saad was having a pretty good year. Save it, please

  10. Wow the meatheads are out en masse today.

    Would have liked to see us move some Dmen to clear space. Pick up another Strome or Perlini. But what I like about Bowman is he doesn’t overreact. A fluke 7 game win streak doesn’t make us sell the farm for a pipe dream.

  11. Pred trade Ryan Hartman to Flyers for Wayne Simmonds. Preds PP ranked 31. Simmonds a strong net presence, but has diminished numbers this season. Flyers also receive conditional 4th rounder, which becomes 3rd if Preds get past their first series. Hartman has just 20 points in 64 games. He is still young, but at the moment, I’ll take the Beaudin pick. Give Stan credit here.

    No doubt that Stan made mistakes with a number of contracts, the worst being Seabrook’s. At the time, I was shocked about the term (lifetime) he received, even more than 6.875M and said he was probably not tradeable.

  12. I gotta disagree with a lot of people here. This team may not be a playoff team this season, but bowman has made some solid trades in the past few months. How can you not be excited to have Debrincat, Strome, Caggiula, Hayden, Kahun, etc moving forward. Added to saad, kane, toews and solid D prospects. I don’t know… I like where things are going for future seasons and am glad he’s not packaging good players just to dump contract money like in past seasons.

  13. Agree Gander. Easy to forget that we have two high priced assets. Fact is, we ain’t going anywhere unless we can get some impact d developed and performing and some bottom 6 scoring. That isn’t going to happen at the TDL with prices being inflated. Ride out the season.

  14. It would have been nice to move on from AA’s contract but agree with poster who said that he’s more useful to Hawks now than anyone they could get for him right now and as of July 1 his modified NMC is no more and he can be traded anywhere and hopefully will be

    Interesting to see that Hartman got traded for a Simmonds even though Simmonds is a rental (a pending UFA) although it’s possible NSH signs him

    It didn’t take long for NSH who gave up a 1st rounder and a 4th rounder (Beaudin and Kurashev) plus Edjsell to the Hawks to get him at last year’s TDL to move on from him

  15. I also agree Gander! Also we are not cash strapped anymore even tho we’re stuck with Seabs contract. We can sign just about anyone this summer.

  16. We already made prob best trade of the year fleecing Arizona( I think) sending Schmaltz for Perlini and Strome. Who is just 21 and looks like a potential future star. Get real people. They actually played really well losing last 2 games and are still right in playoff hunt. Not sure what some of you expected. We have an aging d core and tons of young studs who are close but not quite nhl ready. This has been an incredibly fun team since new year and are overachieving. Who thought we’d be here after Crawford Injury? I’m really starting to like Colliton too. Bright future. If we can maybe trade a couple young defensemen for a legit top 2 guy and or sign a guy or too, I like our future next year.

  17. You got a young, driven team that’s just starting to gel under a new coach with their star goalie coming back. It’s not likely, but I could see this scenario leading to the playoffs. Crazier things have happened.

  18. And Crawford’s record is pretty awful at the moment, but the team was also playing much worse at the time. Also, I have no intel, but is it just me, or does it seem like this team got a lot better with Brookbank behind the bench? Anyone know more about that situation?

  19. It’s really disappointing that SB did nothing. I know it takes 2 to make a trade but this is unacceptable, and SB needs to be replaced. The Hawks have a log jam on the blue line. The 4 horsemen are going to need ice time next year. Sure some vets have NMCs but spending a couple of game in the press box can changes one’s attitude about being on a team. Reduce their ice time, talk with them at the beginning of the season not at the trade deadline, have a plan.

    SB weakness is that he has no plan. He has been able to refine a team that has a strong foundation, but he has not proven that he can develop a team. Drafting all these D-men means that there will be a backlog at some point. You must have a plan to move some veterans out to make room. What will SB do when Kane and Toews get long in the tooth which will be occurring sooner than later if they keep skating them 25 min a night. Draft forwards for the next 3 years. I would also like someone to explain what the plan is for developing the goaltender of the future or will SB just use a couple of years of top draft choses on a goalie once Crow hangs the skates up. SB has had 9 drafts and selected 8 goalies of which 6 have been drafted in the 6th round or later. Maybe Peters works out, guess we will have to wait and see and fill the position with FAs until then. Shitty plan if you ask me.

    SB got to go!

  20. Few teams if any would be interested in AA given the bonus coming up unless the Blackhawks are allowed to pay it. I’m not sure the rules on paying upcoming bonuses after a trade. Anyway AA is a good player. Just not the right for this team going forward especially given the cap hit. Broken record here but it wouldn’t shock me if the team that lands Panarin makes a move for AA.

    The reality is there were just too many players available for trade at this deadline, and sans NTC players the Blackhawks have very few players they are currently willing to part with for next to nothing in return.

    Given the shortage of defensive players available at the deadline Brandon Davidson should have been called up long ago. Not sure the rules on being able to send him back down; but hey if he’s just going to play the rest of his contract in the minors who cares it would have been worth a shot (sorry to any Rockford fans). Just my eyes but in the few games he played with the Blackhawks for a player who played, (what 15 games?), under two different coaches on a new team with two different systems, I thought he looked good. I know lots of poeple like to throw around Dale Tallon’s recent comment that you can’t evaluate a defender until they’ve played 200 NHL games, well Brandon Davidson has played something like 150; and again my selfish argument is in the shifts I saw from him this year I thought he looked decent.

    Having poked around rumors more than I should I saw Blackhawks in almost none aside from Hayes to Edm under the gm who was since fired. The Keith and Seabrook rumors; far as I’m concerned they were completely fabricated by Canadian sports writers because it’s their job to talk/write and every once and a while they have to make stuff up/exaggerate. Moreover it’s only the right thing for the Blackhawks to do for A. Respect to the players; players do change their mind about things B. whatever other reason-some players, poeple may react emotionally to it differently but it’s really not that big a deal. Especially since it’s in their player’s contract that it is their choice. They can ask them all they want; what’s in the contract is in the contract. Moreover Keith’s contract is very reasonable, just my opinion he phones it in once and a while. Ever notice how he moves a little faster and plays a little more aggressive after he’s on the ice for a goal against that he happens to be out there for? Duncan has an MVP on his belt along with a long list of accomplishments and wounds.

    Seabrook’s contract is of course handcuffing, but seriously let’s assume he got one, no two million less per year. At least for last year, this year, and next year how different would the team be? Would the beer be cheaper?-if so then yes I agree horrible contract. There were few if any free agent signings this summer; thank goodness they didn’t sign Neal! What about JVR; you think he would have been a great addition to the team for the caphit? I don’t. Vegas made a trade for a player they had to resign; just looking at the numbers what do you think? -14? Same goes for the other center they signed Statsny. I get to be a little critical because this was team that may have one the cup if not for the rough play of Tom Wilson knocking the Vegas star players into next week. So you take a team that is playing great and go out and sign two players to big contracts? Now at the deadline do it a third time? If the nights fall short of the Western Conference final they’ve gone from Cinderella to complete disappointment. Let’s see if they can go all the way.

    I was a bit critical for the Blackhawks not going after Sam Gagner Kane’s Jr League center; looks like that was a good choice; now playing in the AHL for 3 million a year for the next couple/few years. Ouch! Actually might not be a bad target for trade if the current teams agrees to retain the cap hit of 95%, course you should ask Kane first.

    So now the eyes turn to the push for the wildcard spot, the draft and players available for trade until free agency. Maybe management is happy enough with a hot powerplay and exciting goals with Kane Dcat and Toews; even in a loss the team is fun to watch.

  21. Another 0
    Bowman has to go
    I’m tired of small forwards and weak defensemen!

    He’s been a total failure in the rebuild.

  22. Recliner AA bonus 2m is due on July 1st and if traded after that, new team wouldn’t be responsible for it. His salary be only 5m total for next 2 years after that, with his trade restrictions gone then too, a budget team not on his list may take his caphit after that.

  23. Ian, looking at what Ottawa got for Duchene, Stone and Dzingle.
    What should their management have done with these three players?
    They are all ufa’s that had no intention of signing with Ottawa.
    Would they have done better by keeping them until the end of the season and getting nothing for them?
    How about the Islanders losing Tavares last year for nothing. Islanders are doing the same thing this year taking a huge gamble by not trading Top players Anders Lee, Brock Nelson and Jordan Eberle that are unrestricted and will probably walk for absolutely nothing. (Dumb)
    Columbus management to me is also a lot dumber than Ottawa’s management as well.
    At least Ottawa is getting something in return for players that won’t sign in Ottawa.
    Duchene, Panarin and Bobrovsky are all likely to leave Columbus after the season with Columbus getting nothing in return.
    While I agree Ottawa’s management is very questionable so Is Columbus and the Islanders.
    Chicago’s management is really questionable as well, at least the Hawks have won three cups.
    No move, no trade contracts to what seems to be almost everyone on Chicago is defenately not a sign of good management.
    Anyway, seems to be lots of bad management in the NHL not just in Ottawa.

  24. Stape, Stone was most sought after chip today, no 1st rounder, basically likely be low 2nd only pick, with 2 players who don’t get anybody real excited. They had to be able to get more than that or could’ve resigned him if they anted up.

  25. Ian – I think we have to assume that Stone didn’t want to re-sign in OTT even if the Sens offered the same contract he got from VGK

    Erik Brannstrom is an elite prospect (he was great at WJC) – he’ll play next year and eventually should be a top pairing D man to go with Chabot and Lindberg is an NHL player so I think OTT did ok

  26. Wrap from what i heard he was very open to resigning. With the differences in taxes between Ottawa and Vegas, offering the same is a 2 teir conversation, that may have bern a factor.
    Brannstrom is a good prospect, although some hockey experts rated him as a B prospect, but they better hope he is a future top pair or really not much in return. Lindberg is bottom 6 guy.
    Even Dzingel what may likely end up being 2 late 2nd rounders and Duclair who they would have given them for nothing likely isn’t very much.

  27. Wrap… good call on the Hartman for Beaudin + Kurashev… I think Both these guys have solid futures ahead of them

  28. TAB=LOL!!!!

    So why do we want Stan Bowman to be the GM. I mean Quenville won 3 cups and was fired because we didn’t make the playoffs. Bowman made the statement this is a playoff team. These guys are not doing there jobs and setting expectations as professionals that they are not meeting. In the professional world we fire those people. Bowman makes 0 trades during the trade deadline that mean anything to make this team better???? This team is 2 games below 500, why would you sit on your hands????

    Lets look at the current roster

    Talon
    Patrick Kane
    Jonathan Toews
    Duncan Keith
    Brent Seabrook
    Corey Crawford

    GOOD
    Drake Caggiula : Good Trade by Bowman at a caphit 1.5 million
    Alex DeBrincat : Great draft pick, however who expected this guy to be this good???? Bowman got lucky…700k
    Dominik Kahun : Great draft pick, can’t wait to see what happens next year. 925k
    Dylan Strome: Probably one of Bowmans best trades. However had to let go one of our best young guys to get him. This is a wash. I think Strome is a better player but most people would say this is a wash… 860k
    Erik Gustafsson: Probably the best part of this season, however his defense still lacks. I think he is one of the future defensman??? 1.2 million

    BAD
    Artem Anisimov : Acquired by Bowman, everyone and there mother wants him to be traded. 4.5 million
    John Hayden : Bowman drafted him and all of us are wondering why he gets so little ice time. 750k
    Marcus Kruger: Bowman Why??? just Why??? How is he the future in any way??? How does he make us more than a 500 team??? 2.7 million
    Chris Kunitz: Bowman Really this is your move we all hate him…. Same thing as Kruger…. 1 million
    Brendan Perlini: Bowman got this guy packaged. However has more skills than Kunitz, Kruger, Hayden, Sikura but only has 5 goals this kind of tells you where the team is at. 860k
    Brandon Saad: Bowman traded away the best player we acquired since Patrick Kane points wise for Saad. This is called subtraction not addition. Hosa retires and Panarin is let go for this guy and you get a sub 500 team. 6 million
    Dylan Sikura: Bowman he skates in circles and is a rookie. 925k.
    Carl Dahlstrom : Bowman I’m going to kind of call this guy out. He had 0 hits in the Boston game and is 6’3 250 or something like that. Is he really the future?
    Gustav Forsling: Bowman all the talent in the world. Is this another defensman of the future. Most of us would say no…
    Slater Koekkoek : Bowman Jury is still out on this guy…
    Connor Murphy : Acquired by Bowman, This guy is younger, not Niklas Hjalmarsson and not worth 4.5 million.

    So the glaring thing about this break down is one thing. There are no good additions by Bowman or draft picks by Bowman on the defense side. The guy has been at the helm for 9 years and what defenseman has he drafted or acquired. The bigger question of the two is drafted defensman??? Young guys that will turn into Brent Seabrook and Duncan Keith, where are they???? I mean Nashville has somehow drafted Roman Josi, Ryan Ellis, Shae Weber, Ryan Suter, Seth Jones, acquired PK Subban. They are now at the top of the division because they have one of the best defensive teams in the game. I think we would all have argued that Quenville was a defensive minded coach however Bowman has acquired or drafted 0 defensman that fit that bill in 9 years.

    A couple other notes, Cam Ward & Delia this year is a wash in my opinion…Also looks like the young guys we have drafted we are going to be spending alot of money on offense instead of defense….

    There are also 4 other guys I did not mention, defense wise
    Dustin Byfuglien: Talon, but traded away by Bowman I think???
    Nick Leddy: Talon, but traded away by Bowman
    Brian Campbell: Talon, but traded away by Bowman the first time…
    John Oduya: Great Acquisition by Bowman

  29. I think the biggest winner were the Blueshirts, who unloading three expiring contracts and made a nice haul of picks and players. Nice return for Kevin Hayes, the Jets 2019 late-round 1st rd pick and young and tough Brendan Lemieux. Stan traded up to draft Hayes in 2010 and then let him walk a few years later (one of his worst moves). If the Rangers have good coaching and scouting, in a few years things will be rocking at MSG.

    Possible big losers:
    1. Jackets. If they don’t make it to the finals, or sign at least 2 of the 4 impending UFAs, they are up a creek for years to come with very few picks.
    2. Preds. If they win their 1st round, but don’t make it to the finals, and Simmonds doesn’t sign with them, it means they lose Hartman and this year’s 3rd rounder for nothing. Obviously, they gave up on Hartman. Stan made a terrific trade here.

  30. How do you say we did nothing? We picked up the ECHL legend Spencer Watson!

    Kevin Hayes became a free agent after spending 4 years in college. He chose not to sign with us not vice-versa.

  31. Knox, great analysis, even if we do not agree with some of it. Talon did a poor job of managing the cap. After winning the Cup in 2010 Bowman had to unload contracts. Unfortunately, they included Buf and Ladd. In 2011, Campbell and Brouwer. Good-bye to great d-men and strong front-of-the-net presence. Unfortunately, Bowman continued the poor job of managing the cap.

    In recent years, Bowman has made good trades and picks. No 1st rd picks for two years in a row, but the system has greatly improved the past two years. Stud d-men and a couple of forwards will be making the team in the next couple of seasons. DCat was not a fluke. Had elite skill, but slipped to the 2nd because of his size. Is still very young and should improve other aspects of his game. Others need more playing time before we should draw conclusions. Will see what moves are made this summer. Overall, I think the Blackhawks are on the upswing.

  32. So now what? Who would you target as a potential ufa?
    https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2020/caphit/all/all/ufa

    what RFA should the Blackhawks target for trade-be it player/prospect/pick or future considerations in return for the RFA?
    https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2020/caphit/all/all/rfa

    I still think the Blackhawks are in a best position to take on salary from a somewhat servicable player who is overpaid along with an asset to sweeten the deal. Especially if the team retains some of the salary cap hit. Bigg Buff comes to mind; although I doubt the Jets want to part with him. He’s been playing defense for years but I would like to see him return to the forward position.

  33. Thumbs-up on Ganderhawk and Justin’s views. I am having more fun watching this Blackhawks team (post-Q) than any since 2013. No pressure–there are advantages to winning and getting a taste of the playoffs as well as to losing and getting in the draft lottery. I look for no more than a good effort, and I see that most nights (win or lose).

  34. How does a few (likely 4 at most) games of playoff experience help a team long term, compared to some very high picks?

    It’s about TALENT.

    TALENT is what got us three cups.

    Would you take Kaapo K or Hughes, or one playoff win and “experience”?

    Would you rather have the opportunity to restock your roster for the long term, or give that up to gain a few games of playoff experience?

    We need more studs, not new experiences.

    We don’t have the horses, by any stretch of the imagination, to hang with the big boys. Admit that.

    We need an influx of new talent so we can rise again.

    Best thing: we lose the rest of our games, and thus increase our chances of a franchise-changing player.

  35. I agree that you don’t make a move just to make a move. I think Bowman is smart to let the market price for some of these future free agents to go down. What’s interesting is how the Preds and Jets are stocking their rosters with veterans. These moves show that the playoffs are a grind and you need those skilled yet physical players to wear down the opposition. Simmons, Boyle, Forsberg, Johannason, Sissons, Watson… that’s one tough team to play against. Same with Winnipeg with Wheeler and Laine then add in Kevin Hayes. And also looking at Columbus, getting McQuaid, Duchene and Dzingel. This years playoffs are going to be awesome.

  36. Original, that makes the most sense. Most people are idiots. So most do not know what better for the team. Building comradery is also important for the group. Everyone knows were going to have different bottom 6 FW and half the defensemen in coming 17-21 mths. Why screw with anything, when theres no gain and only negative shit by making a trade when its not much of an improvement.

    Its got nothing to do with, not, being only be a couple away from deepness. Its got to do with make trades that make sense, are good returns and adds, When the time is right.

    Good thing most here are not most ‘general public’ people, which most here are smart and have their heads in the right place for whats good for the team/roster.

  37. Without Kaner this team isint a dynasty. It takes all of 19 88 81 and 2 to have a dynasty. It takes 4 outstanding players to have a dynasty not one or two.

    Thing to keep in mind is Tallon had loads of draft picks and cap space. Bowman had to ‘payoff’ Tallons over spending and didnt not have 1st picks on some yr because of deadline adds.

    Bowman:
    Future CUP
    18- Boqv, Beau, Kurachev
    17- Buckaroo, Mitch
    16- Debrincat

    Bowman: 21
    CUP
    15- Vermette, Timo
    14- Richy, Darls, Steeger for the 2nd time
    13- Hands
    12- Oduya, Rozy
    12- Tevo, Brooksy
    11- Saader, Shawzer, Frozal, Mayers, Carbomb, Bollig, Emery
    10- Nordy, Leads, Boyton, Stals

    Tallon: 14
    09- Krugs, Hossa, Kopy, Madden
    08- Smitty, Soupy, Laddy, Eags
    07- kaner, Steeger, Soaps
    06- Tazer
    05- Hammer, Sharpy

    Pulford: 10
    04- Barks-Leads (bowman), Bolly, Bicks, Dowsy, Brow, Frasel
    03- Seabsy boy, Crow, Buff
    02- Dunks, Burr

    Also Tallon had top 10 picks in 4 of 5 yrs (two being top 3 picks) and Bowman had his first top 10 pick last draft and top 10 picks in 1 of 9 yrs. I think that right there shows who the better GM is.

  38. Original, I would add Kurachev to that Hartman trade. Rather have Beau and Kurachev then hartman. NAS agrees after Hartman dirty dirty headshot to Krugs and that is why he goes to the Philadelphia Russels.

  39. Tallon? Really, we are going to go there again? Stan is working on his own merit now, out from cap hell and more flexible arrangement with Coaliton. To date he has added, 91, 17, 11, & 68 for effectively Schmaltz. Jury is still out.

    This off-season is a big one. Hawks need 3-5 mid tier talents. We’ll see.

  40. Gander, yea were going to be back to top 5 teams again, once were deep. We should be were BOS is in 1.5 yrs. Then for the 21 season and on top 5 baby!

  41. Justin, spot on. Just because we lost two games and went from 0 to -2 doesnt mean thats it. DAL and MIN have been around 5 since game 10, if they stay there and we get to there, 5. Its right there. I still would rather get a top 6 pick to add to the wave we already have coming. Do feel bad because these played really good, without a full roster, to go from 8 to E/0.

    You take out that 0-6-2 and 0-8, when we played with ‘tank’s ufas and before trades, (and split those games to 3-32 and 4-4) were 12 games over .500 and that is the type of team we have after those trades, with about a 3/4 full roster. We need deepness and then were back.

    Future is going to be a thing of beauty.

  42. Mo, thanks to you and Wrap for mentioning what turned out to be Kurachev in the Hartman trade. Even Ejdsell is a good player for the Hogs and this counts for something. Did not know about Hartman’s head shot to Krug. Stan gets an A+ for this trade.

    At this point, play the youngsters and newcomers to enable the team to figure out who should stay or go before the draft and July 1 FA. Limit Keith’s and Seab’s minutes. Don’t double-shift Kane, unless he wants to chase the scoring race. Let’s lose some competitive games and move up in the draft a little.

    Lots of pressure now on Columbus. If the Jackets do not win two series with this line-up, the team and fans may have a nervous breakdown. And if they do not sign 2-3 hot-shot UFAs, maybe they’ll want to move to another city. There’s a new arena in Quebec City awaiting.

    In 2015 THN had on its cover the headline: “Meet your 2019 Stanley Cup Champs…The Winnipeg Jets”. The time is now upon us.

  43. Recliner, VEG got extremely lucky last yr/sort of like PIT did that yr before and didnt deserve it. They used a whole entire 10 yrs of pixie dust in that one yr. The only reason why they were in finals was because WIN was worn out by using the energy they had to to beat NAS (the 2nd best team in hockey).

    That wont happen again. There not getting by NAS or WIN this time. They could beat CAL or SAN, but they wont get a free bi in first round this yr.

    Stone is a really good player. Stone, Stasny, Pac and not Neal is better team for them this yr then they has last yr. Last yr they really only had to win 1 round in the first 3. LA was on its way to down and out to a bottom 5 team and WIN used all of their energy to beat NAS.

    Thats why WAS spanked them. TAM would spank them even harder.

    I would say NAS and TAM would be the best finals since 2015, were it was the two best teams in hockey and both deserved to be there.

  44. Talk about having a better roster then last yr. Holy shit NAS is good now. They basically added an entire 2nd line. 3 really good 2nd line players, Turris, Simmonds, Granduland to their already top 3 roster, the last 2 yrs. NAS is better then they were a couple yrs ago.

    I like WIN better for reasons, but NAS is the best team along with TAM roster wise now. Maybe only team that can play with TAM, when TAM ‘plays’. Which they did not do in game 6 and in game 7 otherwise its TAM spanking VEG.

  45. Carlo, agree. even though it would be good to get that. Top 6 pick is more important at this important draft. Were not going to get another top 10 picks for 10 yrs again, so make it worth while.

    The good thing is even though we won 7 in a row and Are still that close to 8 seed/DAL- 5 MIN- 2 CHI- -2 (4 and 7 games behind)(thats win 3 they lose 3 were in) we are also just as close to a top 6 pick.

    OTT/COL- 13 locked in
    LA- 9 locked in
    DET- 8 locked in now
    ANA- 6
    NWJ- 5
    gap
    EDM- 3
    CHI- 2
    VAN- 1

    So if our % is 4 for playoffs, then our top 6 pick % is 96. I ll take that. Thank you sir may I have another.

  46. Blah blah blah blah blah. TDL has come and gone – GOOD! Now let’s move on.

    Nothing has really changed other than Hawks fans didn’t get to ogle a shiny new object like the fans from other teams did. The Hawks can still make the playoffs although it’s obviously more difficult now than had they won the last two games. Both of those losses were because Khudobin and Varlemov played better than Delia and Ward – if Crawford had played maybe the Hawks win those games and the outlook looks entirely different today.

    Well, Crawford is back and if he’s back to form the Hawks could win their fair share of the remaining 19 games. I’m sure the players haven’t thrown in the towel. Course, the Hawks are also capable of losing more games than winning which would put them back toward the top of the draft.

    For me, I’m happy Stan didn’t do anything to harm future success and I’m going to enjoy watching the rest of the season and root for Kane, Toews, Cat and Strome to keep up their red hot scoring.

  47. Like that guy said, I really like our core now and who & how many good young players we already have coming and another top pick coming & good ufas coming. We might wait until summer of 20 to add ufas, let the young guys gain, even moar.

  48. Carlo, I totally agree with you TALENT is needed.
    More high end prospects and more draft picks are needed.
    Playing probably six playoff games and a lot of young guys getting the experience of watching Kane, Toews and Keith playing twenty five minuites a game is not going to add to this team moving forward.
    As long as the goal is to just make the playoffs the Hawks will be middle of the pack for years.
    Bowman should be trying to add young TALENT to the team the problem is we have aging veterans and a Stanley cup pipe dream.

  49. With this team keeping status quo and some teams weaker the Hawks will be 7 to 13 pick-and that’s OK (it is what it is)-they kept the guys that have worked hard lately happy and motivated enough-
    it’a team that needs to upgrade at ‘D’, and that might/probably internally happen but more importantly in team defense, both in execution and attitude. Also find some consistency in goal, improve the PK and get harder to play against–a lot to do.
    Again the problem is that the young core may continue to get better, but with the exception of 88, the older core will slide a bit. It’s a race against time to win one of the hardest things in sports-A Cup. The odds of significant playoff success kind of suck! Ultimately they need to worry about the young core and their development.

    Enjoy the process because the results are very unpredictable.

  50. Noonan pretty much echo your thoughts.
    Think the days of dynasty are gone, good young talent but no real Kane or Toews coming yet. Some people feel not pursuing Stone harder to fill some of the void in the roster was a mistake. One thing for sure if he shines in Vegas the Bowman daily rants will tell us, or uf doesn’t all will be quiet about it.
    There should be talent enough for some good playoff runs, what that time will tell.
    Don’t know if make any bug changes in summer, tweaking for sure.

    If guys like Beaudin, Boqvist, Mitchell and Carlsson in Rockford with other possibilities, giving them all auditions for future over the season as a 7th dman might be an a way to get them some playing time without too much pressure next year, upgrade with a trade during season there if reasonable to do.

  51. Original6
    Just to set the record straight on the Krueger mugging by Hartman: You probably need to know that Hartman was standing along the boards with the puck fully in his possession and nobody really bothering him (Hawks defense at its best) when Krueger skated up to him from the side and ran head first into an elbow that was already extended by Hartman. The elbow was not moved – Krueger hit a stationary object face first. It was almost funny, but mostly sad. No penalty. No action by the league. Had the roles been reversed and Hartman had run into a Krueger elbow in identical fashion, people here would have been screaming for a delay-of-game penalty (5 minute variety as there was blood) on Hartman for getting the ice so messy and they likely would have demanded a fine on Hartman for getting so much blood on the ice and Krueger Jersey, and of course a 40 game suspension of Hartman for delivering a head-shot to himself. Maybe even kicked out of the league.

    It was mostly a sad play, especially if you were Krueger. He missed a few games with facial injuries and likely concussion symptoms. I still shake my head thinking about it.

    We sometimes, but VERY RARELY, run into a bit of bias in how plays are viewed here.

  52. Thank you Silent Spot for someone finally pointing this out!!!

    The “egregious” elbow that some posters commonly refer to from Hartman was a hockey play as he was simply trying to corral the puck along the boards, Kruger came over to make a play and simply skated into the elbow, Hartman knew Kruger was coming but had his back turned to protect himself from getting hit into the boards and brace for contact. Unless Hartman has eyes in the back of his head and can see through his helmet, this was not intentional! Hell even the homers Ed and Pat say his elbow is already out and its an unfortunate play. This happens all the time in hockey games! But because a Blackhawk got hurt on the play, some of the homers on this board want blood.

    It would be nice if some could watch the game, analyze the situation and then form an opinion… I know that is asking a lot though! Its tough when the facts don’t match up with the story you want to tell!

    Here watch the play yourself if you don’t believe me…

  53. It was a hockey play. The definition is a reverse hit. By definition the intent was to hit something. The face was not targeted but that is what was hit. Peter Fosberg and Lindross were great at it. The slow motion shows the jersey material flowing in one direction then at impact going the opposite way.

  54. Bowman played it smart. There was nothing to do. We do not have the GOALIES. Period! I will be shocked if Craw returns to his previous form. Bowman and the brass are praying he can. But had to sign Delia and hope he stars in the future. We were out goalied by Colorado and Dallas. So both teams scored on breakaways and mistakes. It happens. But your goalie has to make the key stop sometimes to win a game. Hey sometimes it’s puck luck but the fact is it’s not how many pucks u stop it’s WHEN u make the stop. I grew up watching and loved Tony O, but in all due respect to him he just couldn’t make THE stop. Craw was able to. Even Niemi did because he got hot at the right time and was on a roll. U never know. Without a goalie u can count on, you’re dead meat. It’s the equivalent to the closer today in baseball. Anyway Bowman has put us in position to make some big signings this summer. All these big name players traded were UFA’s.

  55. If you are looking for an actual example of the illegal play of elbowing on a reverse hit, here you go! The league agreed this was a dirty play, even though no penalty was called and Tkachuk got suspended for 2 games. There is a big difference between these two plays, INTENT!

  56. Respectfully, Morrison, limiting the “core” group of players to Toews, Kane, Keith & Hossa isn’t honest. Seabrook, Hjalmarsson & Sharp were vital pieces of that puzzle and shouldn’t be overlooked when we consider who led the Hawks to three Stanley Cups.

    Also, Mike Smith was the GM responsible for the 2002-03 drafts, so let’s not give He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named credit for much/anything re the Dynasty

  57. Silent, now I remember the play. Thanks for refreshing my memory. Wasn’t Hartman’s fault.

    Even though the Hawks made no moves at the TDL, the fact that Nashville considered Hartman expendable for a much older player with an expiring contract makes me feel like we did make a move when Stan traded Hartman for great returns.

  58. Greyhawk, excellent commentary. You and I are among the elders on this site. Tony O could not make THE stop (Jacques Lemaire), while Crawford made more key stops than you can count. After Glenn Hall, he is probably the next best Blackhawks goalie ever (Hasek was here too short a time to include him). Much better than Niemi. Crawford will never return to his old Stanley Cup playing form but, hopefully, can still play at a high level for a while if he doesn’t get re-injured. A team needs to be three goalies deep and Delia is good enough to be one of them. A good veteran starter is needed, while a top prospect needs to be ready in a couple of years.

  59. Tab, those lists were every CUP player each GM got, not only core players, etc.

    People can think what they want, that Hartman headshot was on purpose. He disguised it well. He lined him up before he got there and put his elbow out, to make it look lie a ‘hockey play’ but he did it on purpose. A little luck he made square contact, as he didnt look right when he did. He looked before that to see him coming in and times it right.

    You wouldnt wait until a player got close, then thrust yourself elbow first into that player. If it wasnt on purpose Hartman would have moved the puck faster.

    Intentional.

  60. I didnt ever say Hartman elbow to Krugs head was really dirty, just that it was done on purpose. He lined him up before he got there and put his elbow where he thought he would be. It was and closeline dirty dirty headshot but it was on purpose.

    Not going to argue about. Everyone can think what they want on it. People opions on things are different from subject to subject.

  61. I basically think he lined him up before he got there and guesed about where he would be and guessed right. Thats why his elbow didnt move during headshot.

    If that were a common thing, leading with elbows along the broads, we would see 1 or more of those hits a game. We have only seen one, that one, this yr. Other then Knutz elbow headhit.

  62. You can see HArtman look before hand to see Krugs coming and then he times it out well and leads with elbow.

    I wouldnt have a problem with it, if he didnt stick his elbow out and lead with elbow, to ‘brace’ for contact? He initiated the contact.

    It was disguised pretty good, that people do not believe it was done on purpose.

  63. The way the rules are written, it may be a ‘unfortunate’ hit. To me it looks like he did it on purpose. Maybe then its not dirty, but its a deliberate cheapshot.

    See ya.

  64. Grey, why would you be shocked if Crow was just as good as he was before injury. He was the last time. Maybe he isint but after he came back after 10 mths I think he could be just like the normal Crow. Very good.

    Noonan, yea we need those things to get deep again and back to top 5 status. I look at 12 and 17 (sort of) being 10 and 81 for the new core. We still need to add a 4 and a 7 (when we trade his contract at some point these 5 yrs coming up) to get the older half of core replaced. Might need a 9th core player, because some are not as good as before/age to win again. I think we ll get there roster wise. Then we have to win.

  65. Theres prob some who do not like second city, but most there thought Hartman did it on purpose and disguised it well.

    Whatever.

    I join Ernie and so you so called experts can set the record straight.

  66. Glad Crow came back and didnt listen to other people. Be nice to see Crow resign for a desent caphit and stay longer.

    Enjoy the Crow.

  67. Mo, maybe it’s just me but I did not think he looked good to start the season. Granted the D was shit but he still seemed off. Considering his age and 2 severe concussions I would be shocked but happy.

  68. I’m with Morrison on the Hartman hit-does it happen in hockey-yes. Did he know for sure it was going to the head-maybe not. But I think he knew it could possibly land and he did extend it out to make it worse.
    It’s the kind of hit ‘I think’ the NHL wants to remove and there was intent. Tkachuk’s was just more blatant.
    Both of these type of hits were done before they knew what these things could do to people’s long term health. Now they should be highly discouraged

  69. Here is what ESPN wrote about the Preds trading Hartman:

    “What’s more, the Predators did it for a negligible price. They lost Kevin Fiala, a forward who had sputtered, and Ryan Hartman, a bottom-six forward for whom they overpaid last deadline (at least Poile was able to admit a mistake here).”

    Stan has made some excellent trades of late. Has his work cut out for him this summer, as the only player other teams wanted at TDL was Gus.

  70. Well, given the circumstances of nationalities on the team (Boqvist, Dahlstrom, Forsling). It wouldn’t shock me if the Blackhawks at least made an offer to Karlssson this summer. Or maybe they make a move to bring back Hammer Hjarlmasson or the captain of the Coyotes. Quite a few teams plan to be active this summer via free agency; quite a few teams figure to be up against the cap. Could be an interesting summer with quite a few players on the move.

  71. Prospects: Chl
    Kurashev 1g
    Entwistle 1g
    Boqvist 1a
    Hagel 1g 3a after 2nd

    Europe
    Shalunov 1g 1a
    Altybarmakyan 1a yesterday

    My feeling is Bowman won’t be a big player in the Ufa market this summer, unless he has an eye on European. Maybe a mid range signing, possibly a bottom 6 guy or goalie, some trades to bring in some bolstering for the roster.
    Hartman was doing what Hartman does best on that play, no intent to injure but intentional just the same, got away with one.

  72. I believe we all agree that Kane and Toews are generational players. There is a good chance that the Blackhawks will not have this caliber of talent unless they tank an get a lot of high picks in consecutive years. So I am very perplexed by our current GM casual approach to the future.
    “The goal is to keep progressing year to year, so a year from now we want to be in a better spot than we are now. Where that is in the standings, I don’t know. We’re not trying to map it out that precisely, other than to say we want to be in a better spot than we are today, and the same thing for the year after that. We’re headed in the right direction for sure. The timing on how all of that happens, there’s a lot of factors. It’s hard to predict it. But we want to be a team that’s in a better spot a year from now than we are now.”–Stan Bowman
    He just burned 2 years of the Kane and Toews prime years (2017 and 2018 season)
    Sounds like he is planning to burn 2019 as well. Is he delusional or a genius?
    Peace

  73. I watched a lot of the Jets/Wild game tonight especially to watch Jets d-man Ben Chariot who is UFA this summer. Just the kind of d-man I would like to see Stan try to sign. He’s a lefty, got good size at 6’3″ / 220lbs, moves well, plays good defense and he made only $1.4M last couple seasons so he can probably be signed for $4M or less.

  74. Drew, I have been a critic of Bowman over the years, but what do you expect him to say. I disagree that it is a casual approach. His carefully-worded statement is no different than any GM who would say that things are going in the right direction. This makes more sense than over-promising and under-delivering, losing credibility. Words don’t mean much. Better to judge his performance by his decisions. If you are going to say he burned two years of K&T and plans to burn another year, provide some evidence to back this up.

    I for one think that Bowman has made mostly good decisions since 2016 and believe the team is headed in the right direction. Big test coming up this summer with the draft, trades, and free agency. Will withhold judgement until then, when many more moves will be made.

  75. Original, with the makeup of this roster now, in the summer of 20 Debrincats extension numbers soaring, Strome will get what Schmaltz was looking for and other rfas needing more than minimum contracts. Add that to potential performance bonuses next season that you don’t want derailing everything, plus keeping things in order for expansion draft, which is something Bowman doesn’t get the credit he deserves for, won’t mention Florida here lol. All those things seem to make being a big ufa player this summer unlikely, if staying the same course. You can’t deny agree or disagree with Bowman that 88 and 19s best years are slipping away and no replacements in wings waiting to step in yet.

    Hagel ended last night 2g 3a 1st star

  76. I would like to know what the plan is for Hayden going forward. This guy makes over $900,000 a year with very little talent, his gift is sometimes he might play a physical game not near enough for me. I know his money by todays standards is not that much but I don’t feel he is worth it to this team. To much dead weight on this roster and Stan didn’t move any of it.

  77. It’s a popular pastime with some Hawks fans to criticize and complain about the job Stan has done over the years, and of course those who drive that narrative focus on the perceived mistakes – the things he’s done wrong and the things he didn’t do that he should have done. I think it’s fair to criticize some things but there also some good things he’s done, especially given the circumstances he found himself in.

    One such decision was keeping Sharp and letting Byfuglien and Versteeg go. The Hawks had just won the 2009/10 Cup and T&K’s new $6.3M deals would be on the cap in 2010/11. Only one of Sharp/Byfuglien/Versteeg could be afforded and the debate on Hawks message boards were hot and intense. I wanted Stan to decide to keep Byfuglien and thought he made a mistake by prioritizing Sharp over the other two. Sharp would go on to help the Hawks win two more Cups. I was wrong about it being a bad decision – Stan was right.

    That’s just one example.

  78. I think it is fair to say that we all can find a player or two that we feel should not be part of the team any longer and wish they had been moved at the TDL. Unless you are a true insider (I am not), it is unlikely to have an insight into what Stan was able to do, what he tried to do, and what was available for him to do as far as moving bodies. Perhaps he did all he could do. Or, perhaps not.

  79. Boys, this line from the Cat confirms what I’ve been writing from day one:
    Said right wing Alex DeBrincat: ‘‘He’s really a game-changer. When you need a stop, he’s going to get it for you. It’s not how many stops u make. It’s WHEN u make the stop. When the Hawks went on their current roll and back in the chase I said it’s all on the goalies now. We can only hope Craw is what he was.

  80. Ian, we all know that K&T’s best years are slipping away. The team is in a tough spot by needing to rebuild quickly, while managing the cap, to give 88 and 19 more opportunities to win a Cup before it is too late.

    It is perfectly fair to debate Stan’s decisions over the years that brought the team to this point. I have criticized many of them. More recently, however, I think he his on the right track. This is evidenced by the Hawks minor league system going from being rated near the bottom two years ago to at least the middle of the pack today.

    It is easy to be out for Bowman’s head, but few offer alternatives who will bring better results. Doug Wilson’s name sometimes comes up. In 16 years, Wilson has just one Cup appearance (loss). If any Blackhawks GM had this record, we would have been screaming for years to replace him.

    Lately, there have been many comparisons with Tallon, but they are mostly unfair. Stan never had one 1st or two 3rd picks, like Tallon did. Picks this high do not require as much hard analysis, yet Cam Barker was a bust. Kyle Beach was 11th – bust. Dylan Olsen was 28th – bust. Tallon mismanaged the cap, requiring Bowman to unload assets. Let’s withhold judgement until the draft and summer, when lots of important moves will be made.

  81. I’m baffled as to why posters don’t think Stan did a great job of managing the cap post 2010

    He had to trade away major assets like Buff, Ladd even Versteeg to get cap compliant and then managed to reload and win again in 2013 and 2015 – that was mostly him not DT

    Sure Tallon drafted T and K but as others have pointed out they went #1 and #3 – not that hard a decision to make and to be clear because some still have their facts wrong Tallon did not acquire Leddy (Bowman did), or draft Seabrook, Keith, Crow, or Buff (not 100% sure on Buff)

    He missed on Seab’s contract no doubt, Bickell had MS and if the Hawks had known that wouldn’t have traded TT to get rid of Bickell’s contract, people thought Campbell’s contract was untradeable but Stan managed that by trading him to Tallon’s Panther’s which gave the Hawks flexibility to win in 13 and 15 and Tallon’s Panthers have done what exactly?

    I think Stan’s reputation around the NHL is high and he would have no problem getting another NHL gig if the Hawks let him go if he wanted one

    I agree this summer is a big test for Stan – IMO the Hawks need to contend for the 2021 Cup while T and K are still playing great and this summer will go a long way to determining if that is a realistic possibility

    I’m cautiously optimistic that the Hawks will have a very good off season but as others have said I’ll wait to see what the summer brings before passing judgement – I do however think Stan is as good as anyone to be GM at the moment

  82. Wrap/Original, I posted same thing about the drafts. Tallon had top 10 pick in 4 of 5 drafts (two were top 3 picks) and Bowman had 1 in 9 drafts top 10 pick, 2 in 10 drafts if you count this draft.

    Post
    February 25, 2019 at 10:43 pm

  83. MORRISON
    February 25, 2019 at 10:43 pm
    Thing to keep in mind is Tallon had loads of draft picks and cap space. Bowman had to ‘payoff’ Tallons over spending and didnt not have 1st picks on some yr because of deadline adds.

    Bowman:
    Future CUP
    18- Boqv, Beau, Kurachev
    17- Buckaroo, Mitch
    16- Debrincat

    Bowman: 21
    CUP
    15- Vermette, Timo
    14- Richy, Darls, Steeger for the 2nd time
    13- Hands
    12- Oduya, Rozy
    12- Tevo, Brooksy
    11- Saader, Shawzer, Frozal, Mayers, Carbomb, Bollig, Emery
    10- Nordy, Leads, Boyton, Stals

    Tallon: 14
    09- Krugs, Hossa, Kopy, Madden
    08- Smitty, Soupy, Laddy, Eags
    07- kaner, Steeger, Soaps
    06- Tazer
    05- Hammer, Sharpy

    Pulford: 10
    04- Barks-Leads (bowman), Bolly, Bicks, Dowsy, Brow, Frasel
    03- Seabsy boy, Crow, Buff
    02- Dunks, Burr

  84. Wrap/Ian, at some point you would think we trade 7 contract while 19 and 88 are still elite, to add another elite player or at least between a really good player-elite player. We have to do that, like trading 81 caphit. Then we can add what we need and have enough for what Ian was talking about.

  85. Mo, thanks for your post, covering all of those high picks Tallon had, along with lots of cap space. Can you imagine if Stan had the same opportunity. That was nearly as good as Edmonton’s three #1 picks in a row. Who knew after the 2010 Cup that Buff (especially) and Ladd were going to become stars? And then unloading Brouwer in 2011? Speaking of the Oilers, Connor McDavid must wish he could go elsewhere. He may not see a playoff series for a long time.

    Wrap, no doubt that after committing combined $21M/yr for 19 and 88, giving Seab that outrageous contract led to desperate decisions to stay under the cap. Now that Stan has made numerous smart decisions to free up cap space, there is an opportunity to make some key signings/trades to buy time for some of our young players to get experience. One thing badly needed are some physical players, like Buff, Ladd, and Brouwer.

  86. Yea, the only reason I posted it, earlier in this thread, was because someone else/others were saying things about Bowman and that Tallon got the players/build the team/roster for the 13-15 Cups as well. So I looked up every Cup winner and put them in for what yr we got each guy.

    And I didnt mean that only those 4 players were the core, just that it takes more then One generation/franchise player to be able to have a dynasty. Tab thought I did, because I worded it wrong/came out wrong for what I was trying to say. I was really replying to the guy who said, where would we be without Kane. So I said we would have a dynasty with just one of those guys…. that we need 4 of those kind (as the franchise type players)(that we also had and needed other really good players like the ones Tab mentioned to go with them as a core 7 10 etc).

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