Crawford, Blackhawks Blank Flyers

On the night the Houston Astros won a dramatic Game 7 of the World Series, Corey Crawford pitched a shutout and the Blackhawks got back in the win column.

It wasn’t pretty out of the gate. The Hawks got two power plays in the first period – both with Valtteri Filppula in the box – but didn’t get anything started. The only highlight for the Hawks in the opening 20 minutes was Connor Murphy hammering Taylor Leier 13 minutes into the game. Murphy, whose father is a coach for the Flyers, was chased down by Scott Laughton and had a brief altercation after the clean hit.

Chicago got a third power play less than one minute into the second and came up empty again. Twitter was trashing the Blackhawks’ power play when they got a fourth advantage. This time, however, Artem Anisimov got them on the board.

That goal got the crowd excited and ended the Philadelphia penalty, but didn’t slow down the Blackhawks’ sudden offensive momentum.

Jonathan Toews showed his speed and finishing ability only 20 seconds later and extended the lead to two.

Toews’ fourth of the season gave the Hawks some space and Crawford dominated throughout.

Alex DeBrincat scored his second career NHL goal into an empty net in the final two minutes to close the books on the scoring.

Crawford was absolutely superb. He stopped all 35 shots he faced in the game to earn the victory.

Toews won 10 of 16 at the dot and added one hit and four penalty minutes to his fourth goal of the season. Brandon Saad led Chicago with seven shots on net.

Cody Franson started the game with Duncan Keith and picked up an assist, one blocked shots and put four shots on net in 17:38. Keith skated 26:14 and blocked a team-high four shots in the game. Brent Seabrook skated 23:55 and was credited with two hits while Jan Rutta blocked two shots and was credited with two hits in 19:40.

John Hayden and Patrick Kane also had assists in the game for the Hawks. Lance Bouma led the Hawks with four hits.

Anisimov added one assist to his fourth goal of the season and won eight of 17 faceoffs. He also blocked one shot, had one takeaway and put five shots on net.

92 thoughts on “Crawford, Blackhawks Blank Flyers

  1. We just need one goal to get us going. Scoring first or being up 2-1 makes a big diff. as well.

    Its our turn to get the bounces and even called/instant replay games. Score first/or be up 2-1 in more of the games in the 2nd 10 game segment.

  2. Franson fires the puck from the point seemingly on net every time, that is a tremendous skill. Let’s keep using it. No more scratching him please. Rutta had 33 shifts. Wow ! Talk about trust. Crawford played like the $6 Million goalie he definitely is.

    We must string two or three if these wins together, or else this win is meaningless.

    One other point. Tab referenced the Astros. A team built on the draft. In every sport, that is a team’s foundation. Stan traded away high picks to get Weiss, Fleishmann and money hungry Ladd back. They got us Zilch. Let’s not repeat that mistake.

  3. It wasn’t pretty but it’s 2 points. Way too many odd man rushes to give up. Crawford was the difference in this one.

  4. Crawford has been our best player so far, that’s outright irrefutable at this point.
    We have potential but there n is no gelling as a team, they gell as a team and start playing for each other we’re competitive imho.

    I also think bringing up speed in Hinosrroza and jurco for wingles and dumba might provide a spark. Hard to think q oks that though with their recent “succuss”! I’m not pessimistic yet with all the new pieces.

    One game at a time

  5. Crawford and a bit of puck luck won us the game. Man we have a lot of cleaning up to do. We will not win many games giving up 6 + breakaways/odd man rushes a night. D cat showed some flashes tonight but flyers do not play that heavy banging style.

  6. Be happy they won and take the two badly needed points. Too many uh oh grade A scoring chances for opposing teams is a trend that needs to stop. Thankfully, Crawford has bailed his team out time and time again. D zone coverage especially by forwards has been horrendous and it seems like opposing teams are getting way more odd man rushes than the Hawks.

    When things aren’t going well and goals have been hard to come by, teams press, overpass, hesitate. This is what the Hawks have become the past few weeks. There have been plenty of chances around the net. Pucks just are not going in. That will change. I like Franzen’s attitude at the point, shoot first ask questions later. Hawks PP would benefit from quicker puck movement and just getting some pucks to net with some net presence. The Hawks are not handling puck pressure very well for whatever reason.

    I’m not sure how Hawks practices have been run, but it sure looks like they need some heavy work with passing drills. I don’;t know if it’s crappy ice that factors in, but Hawks passing has not been very crisp for the past few weeks either. That should improve.

    I still see this team as a work in progress. Rough start last night, but 2nd period the offense started coming around. Q is still trying to find line combos he likes.

    Saturday in Minny will be a good test. A divisional road win there would be a very positive sign that things are turning for the better.

    Lets Go Hawks!

  7. Great game by Crawford defence blocked 16 shots, lead by Seabrook 6 and Keith 4. Franson providing a good veteran presence and Rutta steady again, 20, 8, 88 showed life in 3rd period. Hopefully it leads to a strong game in Minnesota Saturday.

  8. This will be a very unpopular opinion…but I would consider taking Kane off the power play. Between him looking for the pretty cross ice pass that gets picked off and Point shots not getting through….that’s why the PP has been dreadful.. Pucks on net. Bodies there for rebounds.

  9. to Craig’s comment about trading away pieces for veterans that didn’t work – he also traded away crap to get Leddy, Oduya, etc. Sometimes you push your chips in and it works out, sometimes it doesn’t end as well as you would like. The Astros traded for Verlander and he was amazing. The Dodgers were allegedly unbeatable after adding Darvish and…

    I applaud the effort of at least trying to put the best team possible on the ice in April and would prefer the Hawks address issues they have before the postseason than sit still and watch problems get amplified. Thankfully this year Bowman has a little financial wiggle room to work with if he needs to do something down the road.

  10. ER and DEMO- mentioned… Hawks gave up way too many odd mans… lucky puck was bouncing all over… and Crow baled out the D… Cuz- D guys are getting torched… Flyers- could/should have scored 5-6 goals-easy

    Slowbrook and Franson- (who is even slower than 7)– are really slow…
    But as I mentioned/suggested Earlier blog- Franson- is best D option on Hawks PP…
    Actually can fire shots on net… and very good patience… But – he skates as if his knees don’t bend

  11. Agree the pp needs to shoot more but not putting your best offensive weapon out on the pp is not the answer. Getting the team as whole to committ to getting puck to net when possible while making life difficult for goalie to see it is.

  12. Do the Hawks win without Vermette? Up for debate, but despite not performing like they hoped. He was valuable. Part of the problem with that and so many other trades, is you’re hoping you can overslot a player. Take him out of the role he had success and comfort in and bump him up a line. Vermette was a 3c. Now they want him as 2c and he struggled. Once he was on that 3rd line…great success.

    Another problem is chemistry. In baseball, especially at pitcher its a little different than other team sports. A pitcher doesn’t rely on the center fielder every time he hits the rubber. Every player relies on one another while theyre on the ice. That’s why you see the Hawks going back to former players so often. They know what’s to be asked and have had that chemistry.

    In the Ladd trade, his numbers had been on the decline prior to his joining of the Hawks. So his decline not only was predictable…it was already happening.

    The Weiss deal had another set of circumstances. A player was playing out of his mind and had a number of lucky bounces. His regression to the mean had already begun by the time his stint in Chicago was here. That move is one of the few I never understood. You got 2 bottom 6 rentals, for 1 bottom 6 prospect that was on the up with nhl games in hand.

  13. I also trading 1st and getting 80 we won the Stanley Cup. We did it again because we didn’t do it again/enough, nows there instant replay for offsides, in 14 to repeat and Bowman wanted to do same formula until it didn’t work. Worked first time, do it again, didn’t work second time, ok, donot do it again. College prospects play longer and now are starting to be ready, Hayden, Sikura, at about the time those first picks would be ready. Getting Bread for free and then getting Saader back would be ok for not having a first pick. Common Arty lets go baby.

  14. Should have known better @tab. Not sure I would even consider Wall a fan at this point. 3-0 shutout and the guy is complaining still, saying the Flyers could have scored 5-6 more. Guess what Wall, they didn’t. And if you watch Hockey enough, that’s the difference between good and bad teams. Hawks had plenty of opps to score more than they did last night as well.

  15. Tab and Mox– I know the Hawks won 3-0…

    But are you seriously – going to tell me that the Flyers didn’t have more 1 on 0, 2 on 1’s than the Hawks???

    ER/Demo/Phil… all pointed out those Grade A chances (Hawks are giving up more odd-mans is the trend they need to correct- or they will not be successful!!!)…

    Yet- I get bashed for it??? Laughable

    Mox- Yes- I am slowly becoming less interested in the Hawk’s “Product”… it just isn’t as enjoyable/entertaining to watch… getting out Corsied, out shot, and Giving up More A grade – Odd mans… is a losing style of hockey- period.

    Call me “Fair weather fan”… I will call you Homer/Kool-aid drinkers…

    Yes- they have a little $$$ to spend and make improvements… and YES- they have some hunger and speed on the Farm…

    But- they also have some HUGE contracts w/ NMC… that make BIG/difference making moves pretty tough-imo

    You can’t tell me that this team wouldn’t be better or at least more FUN to watch…
    if they still had 72 and skated Forsling/Gus/ or Franson every nite minus Slowbrook… and almost another Million in cap space

  16. There’s nothing fair weather about you wall. You bitch about 19 and 7 no matter what. Find a new point of emphasis. Good or bad. Don’t call me a homer as I have criticism of the above moves.

  17. How come Wall that you can continually run down 19 and 7, Bowman , Q and the fans that appreciate what they accomplished and your an original thinker. But if someone disagrees and says your not a real fan as you just admitted you aren’t they are bashing poor Wall. Just get a life please.

  18. Wall…maybe you should watch a few games of other teams or read a few blogs of other teams to get a perspective. All teams (maybe not Tampa… yet!!)are having some issues. If you read the Flyers blog after that game they are complaining about how the coach sucks, there is too much dead weight on the team (Weise, Lehtera, Read) and why more young from AHL not called up as replacements any of this sound familiar?
    Also I watched the Rangers Vs Vegas game and the Rangers were all over them for large parts of the game and were missing golden opportunities (Hayes for one) and then Vegas came down and scored. Vegas is a team that works hard but everything is going their way right now shots are going in players have confidence. Let’s see what happens when they go through a period when shooting %’s drop and not getting the bounces. BTW the Rangers finished them off.

  19. I don’t know about the rest of you, but every time I see Elliot in the net it reminds of the front round playoffs two years ago. The guy stood on his head in that series and as a result the Hawks were out in 7 games. No way they should have lost to the Blues, although to their credit the Blues played a very heavy physical game and wore down the Hawks core guys who seemed to be playing on empty tanks. That series was the nail in the coffin for TT in a Hawks uniform. The guy simply disappeared.

    As in all sports it is your best players that have to step up when the level of play intensifies. Let’s hope Hawks core guys get it done this year. Certainly a bright spot last night was the Cpt depositing a pretty breakaway 5 hole goal on the aforementioned Elliot. More please?

    Final observation. Hawks need Panik AND Saad to pick up the physical game. If those two start banging game in game out, good things will happen. They have the tools to do it.

    Lets Go Hawks!

  20. Wall, I haven’t been one of the guys bashing you and I’m not going to now, but I think sometimes your objectivity gets away from you regarding a couple players. Seabrook isn’t the player he used to be and I doubt anyone would argue he is, but he is still a pretty good d-man and he played fine last night. He’s had games where I don’t feel I can defend him against your “Slowbrook” remarks – but last night wasn’t one of those games so your attack on him rings hollow. The reputation you have here is one you continue to cultivate by being relentless in attacking Seabrook and others, even when they don’t deserve it.

    I like reading your posts because aside from the repetitious negativity on certain players – you often provide good comments that add to the discussion.

    Hang in there but know that you aren’t being picked on unfairly – you’ve earned it.

  21. Being negative after a win doesn’t seem right, but I’m going to be “that guy”.

    I have been fooled by fool’s gold before. I’m a fanatic and consequently I’m looking for good stuff about the Hawks to the point of minimizing conflicting data.

    Such as after the game against the Pens where I knew the Hawks weren’t 10-1 better than the Pens but I thought the Hawks were a pretty darn good team. The fact the Pens had just had their banner raising the night before and come into the game emotionally and physically drained. That’s an example of the rose colored glasses I wear as a Hawks fanatic. There are other examples I could list, but you get the point.

    The win last night feels like more fool’s gold – hopefully not but I’m forcing myself to not stick my head in the sand. The Flyers were without 3 of their top 4 d-men last night and lost another starter during the games. With that, the Hawks managed only one 5 on 5 goal and that was on a breakaway. The had better 5 on 5 chances last night against the Flyer’s B-team defense than they’ve had in recent games but still couldn’t bury them. The PP scored but was still for the most part a clown show. And then there’s the scoring chances given up. The Flyers should have scored at least a few and would have if it weren’t for some crazy Crawford saves and bad luck on their part.

    Fool’s gold. Hopefully they prove me wrong.

  22. Positives

    2 pts in Standings!
    PP scored; Hooray Arty!
    Toews scored; Double Hooray
    Crows is awesome!
    Edzo was in the booth!
    Connor Murphy bringing the PAIN!

    Negatives

    Seabroke getting outskated
    Defense giving up quality chances
    Defense not controlling their gaps
    Defense giving up breakaways and tons of odd man rushes

  23. Putting my rose colored glasses back on – I thought the line combos looked better last night, albeit against a hobbled d-corps. It will be a much stiffer test at Minnesota on Saturday.

  24. Phil I understand what you are saying about the playoff loss to the Blues two years ago. But how do you account for the no show against Nashville last year? That series wasn’t even competitive, not remotely.

    Until they prove otherwise, the Blues and Nashville have passed the Hawks as far as talent and the ability to win come playoff time. I personally don’t think Rinne can pull of another playoff run like he had last year, but we got our doors blown off in that series, it wasn’t even fun to watch. I think some of Wall’s comments about the lack of entertainment value stem from games like those.

    We still have some really great pieces to build around. Kane, Keith, Toews, Crawford are still some of the very best in the league at their positions. But the holes have become really big and harder to fill has time has gone on. Suddenly, the 2015 Cup season feels like a long way off in the rear view mirror when you watch this team play.

    The disparity in scoring chances is concerning to me, and can only be fixed by changing personnel. And I’m not sure what moves there are to be made that would really help, given the salary cap and no one is selling ten games into a season. I like Saad for Panarin. I don’t like Hammer for Murphy. Calling up guys from Rockford might help marginally but don’t be expecting to outshoot teams every game because Hino is fast and skating on the 3rd or 4th line. Some of our better prospects still need time to develop their games to see if they can be impact players in the NHL (Dcat, Snuggy, Sikura, all college guys) and can’t be counted on to impact the fortunes of this year’s team just yet.

    On the bright side, it is really hard to find NHL top 4 dmen and with Ruutta it looks like we have a player. Sign this guy to an extension asap before he gets really pricey. And Schmaltz has a really high ceiling.

  25. I actually like Wall’s comments when he’s not beating that dead horse. I was with him in theory that you don’t pay goalies. However, where I can live with that contract and for the time being 19 and 7…He can’t. Certain have manifested and he just can not let it go. It’s done. Move on.

    When he does move on, albeit lately those posts are becoming more and more infrequent; it’s actually fairly insightful. I appreciate the insight on live games in Rockford. But sometimes I have to question the bias just because its so prevalent elsewhere.

  26. Yes HEREISMIKE I was speaking specifically to the Blues series 2 years ago. The Preds debacle last year presents an entirely different and unpleasant discussion.

    Some of your comments concerning where this team is now are well taken, but I believe the present team/talent is going to start scoring more goals which will help immensely and take some pressure off Crow.

    Where Blues and Preds have an edge is offensive production from their back line guys. I believe Hawks d men need to be more active offensively, however apart from Forsling, Rutta and Keith, we don’t have much speed on the back line. I mention speed because Hawks d men do get involved offensively, but because they aren’t fast skaters they get caught, and the dreaded odd man rushes go the other way. Hawks forwards need to do a better job of recognizing defensive responsibility when the d men pinch forward.

    Lets Go Hawks!

  27. It’s a win enjoy it. There are some spots that worry any fan.
    Not a huge fan of bouma or wingels. But calling up vinnie and or jurco does what. They play 8 minutes a night on the fouth line.
    I get they bring speed and some skill. But unless they play at least on the third line to me they won’t bring much value.
    Crawford was and is awesome.
    Defense still and will have issues but give them another 40 games and see how they fill out.

    You win some trades you lose some. Chances are at the deadline you are on the losing side of the trade with a rental.
    A bounce here or there maybe they beat st Louis in game 7 a few years back, maybe people have different views on the pickups.

    Either way go hawks!

  28. It’s time to take a momement and Kneel before Crow.

    We’re not worthy, were not worthy, were not worthy.

  29. Yes wall, Corsi and shots matter so much in October and November. No team has ever improved on either of the metrics throughout the season.

    You pining for Forsling and Panarin says enough to me. Panarin is a defensive liability that doesn’t play a 200 foot game. Yet you want him back. Forsling has been given plenty of opportunity to stick and take ice time away from the other Dmen you complain about. He hasn’t.

    If only we had traded Toews to Toronto for the Matthews pick. What a wonderful idea that was. Especially considering that even if it was offered, Toronto wouldn’t have taken it. Or if we had traded 50, or 88, or acquired Fabbri.

    If it were up to you we would be skating a team full of tweeners with tons of cap space. Guys that can skate pretty but aren’t worth a crap as hockey players.

    Go back under your bridge troll.

  30. All of you who rip on Wall sound like young punks with big egos or downright fools. You fail to recognize what he adds to the board year after year. Sure, disagree with him on various points. Whatever–that’s the beauty of this site– the exchange of ideas. But if you read his comments consistently, season after season, you learn a lot about hockey, you get an out of the box but generally logical perspective, and you get an overall friendly guy who loves the hawks like the rest of us and doesn’t react in an ugly way when people unfairly chastise him. You know what bores me? All of you who continually comment that he’s a one trick pony who only trashes 19 and 7. Thats some repetetive shit. And its not like he’s wrong. Hes calling out two major reasons why we are hurting now and can also be in dire straits in the years ahead. Whats wrong with him stating that? Have you no original thoughts of your own? You just pile on, like lame middle schoolers. It’s pathetic. How about a respectful disagreement with him rather than the tar and feathering? If you were next to him in a bar watching the hawks would you respond with such venom? Doubtful. Not that he can’t take it; he always does. But for what it’s worth, I read the comments on this site to glean hockey knowledge and learn about the team I have loved for over 40 years…and I get plenty of that from Walls posts. If you don’t like what he writes just skip it.

  31. I agree with Wall, why is Gustafson not back on this team? We do get out shot every game home and especially away by a huge margin. Simply said, this is not the Cup teams that outshot everyone in the league for several years, home and away. Why doesa the 4th line have to be so weak? Think in 2010, we had John Madden, Ben Eager, Troy Brouwer and Adam Burrish all play forth line minutes. TLook at home many points each got that year. The CUP final we had the following left wingers, BUFF, LADD, KOPEY, BROUWER???? Then in 2013, we had a 4th line of Bolland, Frolic and Kruger…all high picks and apart from Kruger, big point getters in junior hockey!!! Very flexible 4thn line players that could score goals! What happened to this philosophy? Having TOOTOO, DESJARDINS, BOUMA, WINGELS, RASSMUSSEN was and is still boringly conservative. What happened

  32. 21 million for two players leaves less for 4th line and teams don’t want their talented scorers/prospects playing 4th line minutes thus the Boumas, Bolls, McCarrons, Upshalls, and Matt Martins of the world.
    It would be great to have a young Brouwer, Frolik and Bolland on the 4th line but that can’t happen—and this is league wide-we have what we have with hopefully a Rockford player, or two as an upgrade during the year.

  33. I think trading for Verlander or Darvish, high end players, or difference makers is not the same as trading for Weise or Fleishmann who were 4th line players. Danault was playing well and up to the March deadline, Chicago had good chemistry with the few rookies in the lineup. I do not think that argument is valid when you trade a number one pick for two 4th line players? Bergevin won that deal easily.

  34. Ernie- Re: Gustafson… I don’t think he is more liability than Runbad… Gus- Maybe higher risk/reward guy… Rbad- Just plain bad/soft… scared

    Gus- can make some Highlight reel plays/passes in O zone… and then just a Brain cramp from time to time in D zone….

    Hoping Gus- can “Learn” to not make those Giant miscues… Kempny- kind of same – great ability… but just makes a real bad decision from time to time.

  35. Bomba-it’s the frequency of his sky is falling/we’re terrible/trade so & so posts that get exhausting. For every decent original thought he may have, he drowns them out with about 100 moronic thoughts, such as trading 19, or 88, or 7, or 50, and so on.

  36. Mox- point is… are Hawks better with Gus @ under $1M + $6M for player XXXX

    versus say Slowbrook???

    I don’t know – who player XXX is or perhaps Gus + 2 player XXX’ss ( adding up to $6M)

    You know my answer … just my 2 cents… and It’s one thing for SB to be wrong on a $1M player (hard to be right)… one thing to be wrong on a $4M contract… but a $7M contract (adding age/term)… tough one for the Team to overcome + $10m guy playing like a solid $6M guy….

    Only way to overcome those deals… have multiple $1M players — playing like $6M guys… Hawks don’t have any 19 year old Toews/Kane contract’s now!!!

    No 20 year old versions of Saad/Shaw – playing like $4M guys– for Under a Mill

    So- yes- I will continue to Bitch about SB giving out that Seabrook deal… Terrible deal… Bickell deal was “Handcuffing” – this one is more like a straight jacket!!!

  37. The Blackhawks are in no way, shape or form better w/ Gustafsson on the blue line than Seabrook. That’s a laughable hypothesis.

    I understand the resentment of Seabrook’s contract but the idea that Gus > Seabrook made me laugh out loud.

  38. To the second half of Wall’s hilarious comment, however…

    “Only way to overcome those deals… have multiple $1M players playing like $6M guys.”

    Schmaltz – $925k
    Hayden – $925k
    Hartman – $863k
    Rutta – $925k
    Franson – $1M

  39. Tab- what part of My comment– didn’t you understand… WTF

    which one of the guys- you just mentioned above… are playing like $6M player???
    for Under $1M—

    please enlighten me all Mighty Tab!!!

    Hayden or Hartman -franson- Playing like a $6M player?????? NOT!!!!!!!!

    Closest- thing– Rutta- playing like $4-5M guy– MAYBE– and that’s in 13 Game sample

  40. I would love your definition of a $6M player, Wall. Because 73 players in the NHL currently have a $6M cap hit and I would personally take Schmaltz at $925k over players like Plekanec, Jordan Staal and Jordan Eberle. And I would take Rutta at $925k over players like Boychuk, Green and Yandle. But by all means, tell me more…

  41. Tab- your reply is laughable… so you defend your statement-

    with Schmaltz is better than plekanec…. How about the Truth… neither Plekanec OR Any of the Five Hawks you mentioned are worth close to $6M…

    I really do like hayden/Schmaltz/Rutta… but NONE are worth close to $6M- sorry…
    and your argument- is plain silly….

    Simple- question- Is Schmaltz worth $6M??? based on his play/and Market today??? Just – simple answer– please… Yes or No???

    Please don’t offer your great reply– ” well this guys makes more … and sucks more… so Schmaltz is a better deal… “… that isn’t the point

    My point is- imo- the Hawks have a couple of HUGE overpays/contracts… and in cap world… only way to offset those… is with HUGE underpays… Schmaltz might be a $2-3M underpay… which pales in comparison to Kane in 2009-10 getting paid– and what he played like/deserved– which was $6M plus!!!!

  42. I asked for you to provide your definition of a $6M player and your response is “other teams are stupid too.” Which, in your usual fashion, whines instead of being clear. So please, I ask again, define what you believe is worth $6M in today’s NHL. Because clearly the established market doesn’t do it for you.

  43. Tab- still no answer to “is Schmaltz a $6M” ??? based on play/stats/market today???

    I will answer yours… not by definition… way too subjective… but stats + what player does (subjective and too hard to “quantify”)

    Panarin
    Saad
    Toews (not worth $10M)– perhaps worth 8-9 M 2013-2015
    Hossa (Last year- no longer comparble)
    these guys are $6M players

    Kane and Toews– 2010- were $6M players

    Seabrook- 2010 thru 2015 — $6M player
    Seabrook – today– NOT — perhaps – $3-4M… will be Franson in 3-4 years skating on a PTO ( if Hawks are lucky enough/able to dump his contract ) or retiring

    Tab- how many D guys in NHL – that are worse than Seabrook and make more than Seabrook? Hint:few

    How many guys in NHL – D men… are better than Seabrook and make less?
    Hint: lots

  44. My answer to Schmaltz’s value would be based on your criteria in the dreamworld you’re living in. But, again, you’re making statements that guys aren’t worth a dollar amount and then run away from defining value. Based on your inability & unwillingness to define your personal value metric, I can’t tell you how much a guy is “worth.”

    Also, you relentless complained about Hossa’s performance last year but now say he was worth his cap hit when he’s gone. Hypocrisy is convenient. Your ignorance is breathtaking to be honest…

    That being said, I agree with you that a lot of guys are grossly overpaid in the NHL. But your blanket statement that the Hawks don’t have role players at/under $1M performing isn’t accurate by any means. Schmaltz is looking like a solid top 6 forward, which makes him a $4-6M player in the current NHL.

  45. Ok Wall forget about 19 and 7 for now. What do you say should be done in off season. 44 an ufa, 38 and 40 rfas plus 11 and 5 ufas. 66.6m already committed (81s salary counts until season starts if they do as this year) to 8 Fwds 5D and 2 Gs . Who would you resign and how much are they worth. Trades could be made I know and 10, 57 and 17 prob. return for similar deals or replaced by similar salaries, so that gives 11 fwds 5d & 2g for about 69.1m.

  46. tab- 1st paragraph above is garbage

    2nd- I Luv Hoss… if i compalined- and I probably did… most likeley 2 years ago- when he had a real down year…

    3rd Paragraph- Once again- you miss the point… for $1M… bouma is a good role player… BUT- my point Wasn’t about $1M role players… it is about $1M cap hit players who are Achieving at HUGE discount… Hawks NEED those guys- to make up for the Shitty underachieving Cap/deals of Seabs ( and less horrible deal- but still underachieving In regards to Cap Hit- Toews)…

    Once again- simple math- Bickell @ $4M – achieving like $2M player is bad… but a GM can recover from… Toews @ $10.5 playing/achieving like $6M player… is twice as Hard for GM to recover from…. TOO big a % of Team Cap!!! can’t sweep it away…. GM needs 2 Saads at under $1M– playing like a $4-5M guy to recover from the Horrible Seabs deal…

    Finally- Thanks- you answered the Question- so Schmaltz is a $4-6M guy…

    IMO- he is not yet… I like him… potential is there… maybe close to $4M… but not $6M yet… and based on stats so far… No way… Plus- He has proven to be pretty fragile- so far… then again – in 3 years- cap goes up… he may get that kind of $$$.
    His stats work out to – around 45 points (based on 2017 play)… so who do u want- 8 @ $5M or Saad/or Panarin at $6M… once again- he may get that $$$ – but is he earning it???

    Once again- my point/argument/comparison- is SB needs Schmaltz to play like/Overachieve like Kane in 2010 relative to Kane’s 2010 Cap hit … and needs at least 2 guys to play like that… to cover up those Grossly overpaid Bad Contracts…

    or Toews to put up close to 70 points, dominate Corsi, win Board battles, like when he was in his early 20-24 years old!!!

  47. Not that there not worth it, caphit wise we need 38, 40 and others unless they score as many goals, per say, as they did/like 38 did they need to do a bridge deal. 14 got 2.8 on a yr he scored 20 goals, none of these guys should be near that. Be between elc-1.75

    44 can do a decent caphit. 11 is like 32 was in 2013 and 14 for a better caphit. 10 wants to play here so hes good with same.

    We do good with contracts.

    We need ltir and cap increase and a trade to sign 91.

  48. You keep bitching about the past, Wall, and refuse to live anywhere close to the now OR answer direct questions. Which is hilarious.

    re: my 1st graph – it isn’t garbage because I asked you a pointed question and your turtled.

    re: Hossa – he was your Seabrook target before Seabrook got paid. He was your #1 axe to grind and you were a cheerleader on the “Hossa needs to retire” movement.

    re: role players at $1M and my alleged missing of whatever bullsh** point you’ve tried to make. You said “Only way to overcome those deals… have multiple $1M players — playing like $6M guys…” and I called you out on the number of guys playing prominent roles on the Blackhawks making at/under $1M and your only comeback was “Schmaltz isn’t a $6M player” without defining what you believe to be a $6M player.

    Bickell hasn’t been on the books here for more than 2 years. Get over it. The Blackhawks have.

    “[Schmaltz] is proven to be pretty fragile” – once again I’m thrilled when you make global assessments about a player based on a sample size of… 100 games? I laughed again. Thanks.

    Kane didn’t “overachieve” in 2010. He was a #1 pick on a rookie contract. You continue to prove yourself to be a naive fool when you talk about guys being underpaid on ELCs.

    Finally, Toews is on pace to put up 60-65 points and his 5 on 5 SAT% of 51.04 is right next to… Vlad Tarasenko (51.10).

    You love to create bullsh** hypotheticals and back it up with nothing based in reality but by all means, keep bitching about Toews & Seabrook’s salary cap figures because at least you can do that well.

  49. Bust out monopoly money. Problem solved.

    Players are worth what someone pays them. Not what you or we think they’re worth because it’s not our money. Players are getting more money earlier. I’m sure Wall complained about the 6 @ 6.3 contracts 19 and 88 had when they were signed. 3 years after…they were bargains.

    Tavares will be the same way. He will be worth what someone is willing to pay. Whatever he gets, someone would have given him the same dough. The same can be said for Seabrook and Toews.

    Seabrook would have gotten more had he gone to free agency. He’s not nearly as slow as you think. If a fast guy goes around him at the blue line is he going to turn from a stop and catch him? No. But nobody is. His positioning is still sound. His offense is still there. He’s still physical. Teams have figured out to go at him with speed. Same thing the Hawks did against Pronger and Chara. Chara is 40. Last year his hit was more than Seabrook’s is now. How has Chara been able to make it work being slow 5 years ago?

    Regarding guys like Brouwer…see Hayden, John

    Brouwer at Hayden’s age had 12 nhl games…and 1 point
    Hayden has 25 games and 10 points.

    Brouwer has recorded 40 or more points 3 times. Hayden is on pace for 37 this year

  50. Thanks, Ogie.

    Note: Troy Brouwer’s current cap hit is $4.5M. John Hayden’s is $925k.

    But let’s not let real world comps get in the way of making shit up for the sake of arguments…

  51. I remember the compliments Joel had for Gustafson’s first year!!! Until game 7 against St-Louis.
    Still would rather see other players than Bouma and Wingels on the 4th line to play along with Hartman like Vinny and Jurco.

  52. Everybody, please please, calm down, R-E-L-A-X. Let’s inject some humor into the situation…

    What about Morin????

  53. Wow this is some painful stuff to read. It seems like winning a game isn’t enough for some if we don’t dominate the game. Competition in the NHL is tougher than the NFL. I didn’t see much of the Flyers game but I’ll happily take 2 points any night. I saw most of the Flyer-Blues game last night and Philly is a pretty solid team that beat a good blues team so quit worrying about “style” points. Lastly someone needs to point out that Crow is playing as well as any goalie in the league (again). Sure am glad we didn’t follow the advice of some who advocated to get rid of him. While I’m on a roll I will say that Connor Murphy will be a solid NHL defenseman. He is still a young guy learning the trade. By the way even though I was a huge Hammer fan his start has been brutal until getting hurt.

  54. …. Crawford steps up in this game first star for sure…..and Toews had the old fire in his eyes that brought us the cup 3 times…..I think they read my last comment lol…anyway put that trade on hold for Peka Rinne for now….

  55. Wall you to complain about Tiews and Kane’s contract yet you still didn’t answer the question I made about what you would do with Kucherovs next contract. He will be 27 I believe. He took a very generous bridge. If they win the cup and and he wants 8 years @ 12 million which is reasonable on today’s contracts. What do you do? Let him walk?

  56. I’ll give my opinion-
    If they win and it’s 8 years at 12 per-yes he walks. To me the problem is the 8 year contract, with last years hit at 12 is nuts–for almost anyone in the world in their late 20s. If it could average out at 8ish? Cap hits at 12 for McDavid, and Matthews, probably.

    5 or 6 maybe. (although I don’t see him as a 12 per)
    6 at 10 yes.
    8 at 8-8,5
    They have a lot of talent to pay for–

  57. My guess Mo be in the 7yr for 70-80m. But endorsement opportunities and how much tax you pay can influence it. I think he will want a contender also.

  58. Noonan you may be right with the 6×10 or 8×8.5 ( Stamkos contract) but if Tampa wins the cup and he wins the conn symthe. He is getting max dollars. I bring the latter up because T&K had that success before signing the big deals. There is no way in Hell kucherov is signing for 5-6 million

  59. Kucherov still is a rfa when his contract expires in 2019. He could be a ufa in 2020. Depending on Lightning and how much they want him locked up. If they want to keep they ll pay in 2019 to get it done likely.

  60. Ian what other top 10 teams have the space like we will/can. TAM/EDM/TOR are going to have to shed players left and right in the coming yrs. Every other top 10 team/contenders have core older then 19/88, other then NAS group of D, right. Like NYR added Shatten qirk they couldn’t keep others or people left. Same thing could happen there with 91. Wouldnt he make our group better compared to other top teams as they would have to trade more then us to add him or another top 4 Defenseman when available. 91 would be good to add or not. 81 litr and 15 caphits combined are close to his 10m per yr.

  61. Were not going to have these player bonuses going forward as well. Were looking good to get better and stronger with our prospects and adding when theres something good to do. Cant forget about those bonuses, they cover the raises for our younger guys and such.

  62. Looking ahead, I am wondering if extending Ruuta and Kempny is either/or.

    Keith, Seabrook, Murphy are signed long term. Ruuta is a top 4 right now. If he continues to play as well as he has, you would think Stan would want to get him signed to at least two more years. Forsling seems to be a favorite of Q. Oesterle is a #7. So does Stan sign Kempny to be a third pair guy going forward ? If not, do you move him in season to loosen up the logjam on the back end ?

  63. Coach Q is starting to sound a little repetitve with the usual following comments:

    Plays the right way, we love his two way game , he gives us options during the game,

    — what ever happened to players scoring goals to win games:

    … we like the way he shoots the puck, we like his scoring a ability, we like his vision, his breakaway speed…..

    Time to change Coach Q.

  64. Gbladz- I would not pay Kucherov $12M… not based on today’s Cap

    Tab- I did not “Rant” on 81… anywhere near Bickell/Crow/Seabrook type Rants…
    Sure – in my 1000’s of posts I said something negative (and mostly 2 years ago -when he had bad season… not last year – as you so Incorrectly stated here!) about Hoss- when he was “struggling” … but you are wrong – again…

    How about you “define” $6M player… and then I will Play the game to see if any of these Role players are playing like $6M…. (which they are not)

    Tab-
    Let’s make matters simple for all you – instead of Schmaltz or Hayden Needing to play like $6M player… I will change the wording for you… SB/Hawks need couple of the Cheap $1M players to contribute Kane/Saad like stats/points (when they were getting $1M) – for the Hawks to overcome the Pathetic Seabrook type Contract.

    Read anarticle yesterday about 2 D men (signed around Seabrook time) Niskanen and Stralman, similar ages, similar Corsi, and Both players were signed for much less than Seabrook ( I know- Seabs has Rings– so he is worth twice as much– BULLSHIT)… any how– Seabrook’s #’s have gone way down since… and both Stralman’s and Niskanen have continued to play well or better… at a much lower cap hit…

    A 3-4 Million mistake hurts… a $7m mistake– Cripples a team– unless you have a few $1M players putting up 60-75 points to overcome (didn’t use the term $6m player-just for you Tab)

  65. Mo NYR would have room especially if Nash is moved as reports suggest. Preds have room and Pens with no big guns to sign could be a contender for Tavares too. Leafs have room but with Nylander up and be looking to lock up Matthews ans Marner be hard pressed to fit him in maybe.
    The Blackhawks need to move salary to make it happen, Coyotes owner according to Elliote Friedman in big trouble. Maybe a 5.275m cap hit that costs 1m may be wanted to keep cap floor from going up for is whats needed. But moving Hossa’s salary and probably AAs would have to happen before Tavares could be considered.

    Craig I think alot depends if they want Rutta on rightside or left. If its right I don’t see them paying both him and Murphy 2nd pair salaries with Seabrook. If he plays left then 42 or 6 become excess. Also if Snuggerud ready for nhl roster next year Kempny may not be resigned anyways with 42 still on an elc. How many years away is Jokaru (next year too soon??)he is probably looked on to fill a right side spot at some point as will Mitchell when he leaves university

  66. Funny thong about NYR, and being contender. When they added Nash they got worse as a team. Then trades and got better again with quality depth/not money into elite/high end. Then they added Yandle and was suppose to have the best defence, they got worse. Then didn’t keep him and got better as team with good young fast fws. Then added Shatten qirk and they got worse again. Would they do the same thing by adding 91.

  67. If Debtincat had the heart of Andrew Shaw snd the desire of Marchessault then he would merit staying with the big club. Is
    Surprised he is still in the NHL. I think Bowman has something to do with this odd situation.

  68. It would be considerable upgrade to have Sharp alongside Toews and Panik instead of a rookie like Debrincat. Puzzling???

  69. I think Debrincat was their best forward tonight-not bad for a guy some are done with-
    the coaching staff sees it but you can’t (he’ll make mistakes but he’s working hard and someone said he is slow which is nonsense-2nd best offensive instincts on the team)

  70. Not sure about that Ernie. Sharp still has lots of grit, a good shot and speed at 35 years of age. He is being watsed. I agree with some of the others that Debrincat is not NHL ready. Certainly instills no fear on other dmen.
    I guess empty net goals are about the only time he shows some grit. Sharp and Toews had lots of chemistry in the past and Coach Q remains too stubborn, as usual, to make that move. I cannot bare watching Wingels and Bouma on the ice. It’s truly boring and creates no offence whatsover for Hartman or Hayden. Hartman scored lots of goals as a rookie last year and now he is stuck with those two AHL, ECHL players. Very frustrating. Plus, Wingels and Bouma are too slow. They are not an energy line but rather suck the energy out of everyone, teammates and people watching at the rink.
    Thank God tonight that Crow, Keith and Seabs can still play this game on defence.
    Go Hawks
    Call Rockford SB!!! Ask for Vinny, Iacopelli and Jurco! And get a bus for Debrincat, Wingels and Bouma!!!

  71. Here is a question:

    Would Debrincat make the top line or 2nd line of the PENS, SHARKS, DUCKS, LEAFS, CAPITALS, RANGERS, BLUES, JETS, BRUINS, KINGS, STARS, WILD, SENS, BLUE JACKETS, PREDs, SABRES, PANTHERS, HABS, GOLDEN KNIGHTS, DEVILS, FLYERS, ISLANDERS, WINGS, AVALANCHE, CANUCKS, OILERS, FLAMES, LIGHTNING, COYOTES, HURRICANES???….

    Answer: Probably NOT…

    So why would he be with the HAWKS?

  72. Funny Tab, but obviously you cannot look at the facts and details of any comments made by anyone who disagrees with you. Denial is your moto. You can defend your GM all you want but I have been following my childhood team since I saw BOBBY HULL and Stan Makita play in person. I have seen many good, great and bad GM’s or coaches on this team!!! If you cannot see the positive and negative of Mr. BOWMAN, then your are like a horse who suffers from tunnel vision. A great GM manages a Cap, drafts well and has a great farm system. In addition, he makes trades and signs free agents. Thus, if you want to fire your mouth off like a child and not examine the facts well then enjoy the next few tough seasons for the HAWKS.

    – When was the last time the HAWKS drafted a goalie since CRAWFORD?
    Answer: The Pens drafted Matt Murray 83rd in the 2012 draft.

    – When was last time the HAWKS drafted a defenceman since the HAMMER?
    Answer: Oh yes, Dale Tallon drafted the HAMMER.

    Sorry, this is a waste of time. Hawks are too conservative with their roster offensively and the answer is we have TOEWS playing with PANIK a waiver pick up by the LEAFS and then played with the Marlies. Then, BOWMAN’s teddy bear Debrincat in the 2nd round playingn on right wing. So, TAB, are you still hungry for the playoffs and dreaming of a white Christmas Stanley Cup?

    Answer is not this year:
    So, let go of dead wood and play with speed!

  73. Ah, the bong water comes back for some more… thanks for the laugher again, TOTTI.

    – When was the last time the HAWKS drafted a goalie since Crawford?
    ANSWER: Wouter Peeters, 3rd round, 2016. and Ivan Nalimov in the 6th round in 2014. and Brandon Whitney in the 7th round in 2012. and Johan Mattsson in the 7th round in 2011. And the Blackhawks haven’t needed an answered prayer like Matt Murray because Corey Crawford continues to be elite.

    – When was the last time the HAWKS drafted a defenseman since the Hammer?
    ANSWER: they drafted 5 in 2017, led by Ian Mitchell who is skating top pair minutes for the defending NCAA champions in Denver this season. The Hawks drafted 4 defensemen in 2016, and the drafted 3 in 2015 including preseason All-America candidate Dennis Gilbert. They drafted a couple in 2014, and Luc Snuggerud is now in Rockford.

    Yes, TOTTI, it is a waste of time. You’re an uneducated troll who likes to whine and abuse the caps lock. Spent a couple minutes wandering around the internet before making hilariously ridiculous statements like the Hawks don’t draft goalies or defensemen. Please.

  74. oh…and have you ever played hockey?

    Anyway, this will be my last TAB comment…not worth it! Rather speak with EDZO after a morning skate !

    cheers

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