Evaluating Stan Bowman’s 2015-16 Trades

After the dust settled from a wild July that saw the Blackhawks predictably trade away Patrick Sharp and shockingly trade away Brandon Saad, the 2015-16 season began with Chicago defending their Stanley Cup championship.

During the months that followed, Hawks GM Stan Bowman made a number of trades to not only improve the team, but create cap flexibility for the next deal – or next year. It was clear at the deadline that Bowman was going all-in on the 2016 postseason, but a first round exit shows that the Hawks didn’t have enough to win another championship.

There are two minor deals the Blackhawks made at the deadline that we won’t review here because they had no impact on the NHL roster. On Feb. 29, Bowman:

  • acquired goaltender Drew MacIntyre from Carolina for defenseman Dennis Robertson.
  • acquired forward Tim Jackman and a 7th round pick in 2017 from Anaheim for forward Corey Tropp.

So how did Bowman’s trading work out? Let’s look back at the deals he made during the 2015-16 season.

[Note: you can view every move Bowman has made since taking over as GM of the Blackhawks here.]

Trevor Daley

  • December 14, 2015 – Chicago acquires defenseman Rob Scuderi from Pittsburgh for defenseman Trevor Daley.

After Daley was acquired in the deal that sent Patrick Sharp to Dallas, he was – in theory – the puck-moving defenseman who would replace free agent departure Johnny Oduya. Daley averaged 17:30 per game in October but didn’t impress or fit in very well, and his ice time quickly started to disappear. He asked for a trade out of Chicago and received one 11 days before Christmas in a deal that bought the Blackhawks some cap flexibility.

Pittsburgh retained one-third of Scuderi’s cap hit for the remainder of the 2015-16 season as well as the 2016-17 season in this trade.

Here are Daley’s stats for the 2015-16 season:

Daley 2015-16

Was Daley the answer on the blue line for the Hawks? No. His style of game is much better suited for Pittsburgh, and he’s played well there with more power play ice time.

Richard Panik

  • January 3, 2016 – Chicago acquires forward Richard Panik from Toronto for forward Jeremy Morin.

It’s funny to look back now at this seemingly insignificant trade that finally completed the #FreeMorin movement. Panik struggled to crack the lineup in Toronto, and Morin simply couldn’t buy a shift for Joel Quenneville. In fact, Panik did not appear in a regular season game for the Leafs this season before the trade.

Panik, 25, scored six goals and added two assists in 30 games with the Blackhawks, averaging 10:50 per game during the regular season. But in the playoffs, he suddenly became an important piece of the puzzle. Panik finished the Hawks’ postseason third on the team with 23 hits in seven games, his ice time increased by two full minutes per game from the regular season, and he started on the top line with Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane in the deciding game.

Panik is a restricted free agent this summer, but his performance down the stretch makes him a player the Hawks could/should entertain bringing back at an affordable cap hit.

Ryan Garbutt

  • January 21, 2016 – Chicago acquires forward Jiri Sekac from Anaheim for forward Ryan Garbutt.

The other NHL roster player brought in from the Sharp deal with Dallas was Garbutt who, ironically, was thought to be a player who would play the role Panik ultimately filled in the postseason. The Blackhawks traded him to Anaheim a little more than half-way through the season as his ice time started to disappear.

Garbutt moved on and was a more productive player for the Ducks, averaging 66 more seconds per game on the ice and picking up a short-handed goal for the Ducks.

In six games with the Blackhawks, Sekac put 11 shots on net and picked up one assist while averaging 10:50 on ice per game. He was claimed off waivers by Arizona on Feb. 27 and was equally uninspiring in his time with the Coyotes down the stretch.

Here are Garbutt’s stats for the 2015-16 season:

Garbutt 2015-16

Andrew Ladd

  • February 25, 2016 – Chicago acquires forwards Andrew Ladd and Matt Fraser and defenseman Jay Harrison from Winnipeg for Marko Dano, a first round pick in 2016 and a conditional 3rd round pick in 2018.

This trade represents arguably the biggest in-season addition of Bowman’s tenure as GM of the Blackhawks. Moving a top prospect in Dano, who was acquired in the trade that sent Brandon Saad to Columbus, was a significant price. Throw in the Hawks’ first round pick in this summer’s draft and there was no question the Hawks were going for it this year.

Winnipeg retained 36 percent of Ladd’s cap hit for the season as part of the trade. The Blackhawks do not lose their third round pick in 2018; the condition on that selection was the Hawks winning the Stanley Cup.

Ladd, 30, was a familiar face and performed well after coming back. He led the Blackhawks with 36 hits in the series against the Blues. But, because he’s a veteran who was the captain of the Jets, his value will undoubtedly price him out of Chicago this summer.

Here are Ladd’s stats from the regular season:

Ladd 2015-16

Dano, meanwhile, had scored one goal with one assist in 13 games for the Blackhawks this season before he was dealt to Columbus. The 21-year-old jumped right into the Jets’ lineup and produced four goals and four assists in 21 games to close out the regular season. He is signed thru the 2016-176 season on his entry-level contract ($925k cap hit).

Christian Ehrhoff

  • February 26, 2016 – acquired defenseman Christian Ehrhoff from Los Angeles for defenseman Rob Scuderi.

A complicated deal involving two veteran defensemen who simply weren’t working out in their current situations, the Hawks and Kings swapped players and cap issues.

Ehrhoff had struggled with health issues over the past few years but, though he looked okay in his first few games with the Blackhawks, never got into the rotation for Quenneville. He appeared in only eight regular season games for Chicago, posting two assists.

Scuderi received a hero’s welcome when he returned to LA and he performed well for the Kings, posting six assists in 21 regular season games down the stretch. He was a terrible fit, especially with Michal Rozsival being essentially the same too-old-to-do-much role player at this point.

Here’s the breakdown of Scuderi’s season, split between Pittsburgh, Chicago and Los Angeles:

Scuderi 15-16

In this deal, LA retained 15 percent of Ehrhoff’s cap hit for the rest of 2015-16 season; Chicago retained 50 percent of Scuderi’s cap hit thru the end of 2016-17 season. So there will be $1.125M in dead money on the books for the Blackhawks next year from Scuderi.

Dale Weise

  • February 26, 2016 – acquired forwards Dale Weise and Tomas Fleischmann from Montreal for center Phillip Danault and a second round pick in 2018.

This is the deal that has many Hawks fans scratching their heads still. Weise and Fleischmann were brought in and played decently when given the opportunity… but Danault was arguably the top prospect under contract and could have been a good asset at the dot in the future.

Weise, 27, average more than four fewer minutes per game with the Hawks (9:57) in 15 games than he did in 56 games with Montreal (14:21). He had 14 goals and 12 assists when he was traded out of offensively-challenged Montreal, but was credited with only one assist in his regular season action for Chicago. Of course, he came on and scored a game-winning goal in Game Six against St. Louis.

Weise is an unrestricted free agent this summer and is coming off a contract that had a $717k cap hit. It will be interesting to see if the Hawks make a play to keep him around after this season after he struggled to get regular ice time for Quenneville.

Fleischmann, also an unrestricted free agent this summer, average more than 14 minutes per game after he was acquired and scored four goals in 19 regular season games for the Hawks. He disappeared in the playoffs, however, finding himself a healthy scratch in the closing games.

Danault, 23, had only one goal and four assists in 30 games with Chicago during the 2015-16 regular season. In comparable ice time with the Habs, Danault had three goals and two assists in 21 games. He is a restricted free agent this summer.

So how did Bowman do?

  • The Chicago Blackhawks no longer have a pick in the first or second round of the 2016 NHL Draft; they do have five selections before the end of the fifth round, however. Bowman also traded away a second round pick in 2018.
  • Of the bit parts included in trades during the season, all of them are also free agents this summer. Harrison, MacIntyre and Jackman are unrestricted free agents, while Fraser is restricted.
  • The Hawks will carry over dead money from Scuderi for the 2016-17 season.
  • Chicago got an extended look at two forwards – Weise and Fleischmann – who may be players the Hawks consider bringing back on short-term deals.
  • The Blackhawks’ title defense ended in seven games.

 

90 thoughts on “Evaluating Stan Bowman’s 2015-16 Trades

  1. Very uneven results. The defensemen movement was a total bust as the Hawks relied upon their young prospects. Panik was a total steal and Ladd played well, the other forwards acquired never really got going. Fleischmann looked to be a great fit early on, but his play tapered off. Weise had some good playoff games, but did nothing during the regular season. The bottom line basically was every player that was a direct or indirect result of the Sharp trade was garbage. Had that trade been fine, then Bowman maybe only makes the Ladd deal, and the Hawks are still playing.

  2. When you go all in for another championship and get knocked out first round it is clear the trades did not work.

    However, I did appreciate the effort. In other words, it was a welcomed gamble. They need to go for the cups while they have the chance. In a few years, just making the playoffs will be an accomplishment for the aging veterans.

    In hindsight I give the trades a C. However, I give the SB & Q teamwork an F. The two were not on the same page. It was as if Q told SB to go screw himself.

    Personally, the biggest gaffe for SB was signing Toews, Kane and Seabrook to massive contracts. We should have the 3 of them for 5 million less.

    SB also needed to find a way to get rid of Bickell and sign Oduya. Those were top priorities and he didn’t get them done.

  3. Two things at work.

    1. Last summer Bowman had to make tough decisions because of the salary cap. He was desperate to lose some of the money on Sharp, and so elected to do a deal with Dallas where we had to be willing to take on Daley (who Dallas did not want) and give up a quality prospect in Johns. Nothing to say on this move other than Bowman was finding no takers for Sharp’s contract otherwise. He was desperate and boxed into a corner, and Dallas took FULL advantage.

    2. The mid-season trades were made as part of strategy of going for it one more time. Last year it worked, this year it did not. But if Bowman got a “do over” then I’d expect him to do the same thing. No criticism here. Stinks to lose a 1st round draft pick and Danault (I don’t see Dano as much of a loss), but that was the price of playing poker.

  4. @BLS: How do you sign someone who is under contract to another team? And if Bowman didn’t sign those 3 to what they have now, they wouldn’t be here.

  5. @BLS, so what you’re saying is that Bowman should have offered a decrease in salary to three players that were key pieces in winning 3 cups? “I know you three have done everything we have asked you to do, and you three have been key pieces in the unprecedented success that we have had in the salary cap era, and with that in mind, here is your pay cut.”

  6. Ouch!

    Of course you can’t ask for a pay cut. I was referring to the original signings. I’m just pissed that a third of the cap is going to 3 contracts. It is going to kill the Hawks unless the cap goes up big time.

    Could they have signed Toews and Kane to 9m and Seabrook to 5.5? You’re right. Probably not. Which is why getting another cup is going to be very very difficult.

  7. Panarin has one more year on his contract. If he replicates what he did in 2016-17 then fair to say he will command $7 M plus annual salary. Maybe more. There is virtually no chance the Hawks will be able to make that work under the salary cap. So it begs the question, do you trade Panarin this summer and get what you can as part of a rebuilding on the fly strategy. This becomes the crux of Bowman’s offseason in my estimation. Because as the Hawks stack up right now, I don’t see them being a legitimate Cup contender in 2016-17. So keeping Panarin for one more season seems like a silly luxury, when in fact he is the one and only guy with true trade value that can get you something very solid in return.

  8. Toews and Kane have been a major reason why the Hawks won 3 Cups. 19&88 earned their pay. Do I wish they were making less money to facilitate quality additions to the team, of course. Panarin is not going anywhere. He will be a star and is the future of the organization. Stan needs to do whatever it takes to ensure he is a Hawk long term. If he doesn’t he should be run out of town. Stan had a tough year. The effort was there but the results were not. In the business world you get paid for results. He failed this year. Q did the best he could with what Stan gave him. I do not blame Q for the early exit. Stan needs to make the Hawks younger, faster, more skilled and find a top 4 d man.

  9. “Loonie soars to 9 month high”

    Hindsight is always 20/20. I actually agree with most of Rufus’ first post on the trades Stan had to make.

    From a strategy standpoint. Say the Hawks keep Teuvo ( sorry Rufus, stay with me). Say he’s on a line with Panarin and Anisimov (who I think really faded). Panarin’s numbers will probably go down. But not fall of the earth type. Panarin would still be an RFA and you could keep his salary artificially lower because the argument for him not winning Calder is he needs Kane. If he needs Kane to be a 7 million dollar player…then he’s not a 7 million dollar player. Not when he still has that RFA designation.

    I can’t say any of the moves Stan made were fails. Danault would be nice. But the Hawks didn’t lose because he wasn’t on the roster. Q said it this morning. Hed like defensive help. Keep TVR as a 5/6. Sign a stopgap in Campbell. Would TVR and Gustafson compliment each other?

  10. Wow it will suck to lose Panarin.

    Is a dynasty in the salary cap era a lost cause?

    TAB implies (claims) that the business of professional sports mandates you give your top few players massive salaries.

    Obviously salaries disproportionate to their ability to contribute since we all know it takes a full team to win a championship.

    When you’re winning you don’t get the high draft picks required to get the skilled underpaid players needed to offset the big salaries of the overpaid.
    If you get lucky with a guy like Panarin you can’t keep him.

    Sounds like a lost cause to me. We are destined to be brought back to mediocrity. I guess that is what parity is all about. Sucks when it’s your team that suffers.

    Do you trade Panarin as Snidley suggests? Crap, I wouldn’t. Hawks win every second year. Give them one more try next year! Lol…no easy answers.

  11. Thanks for the 3 seasons of championship hockey. if not for a defection of of Leddy’s shoulder they would have had 3 straight cups.

    The main issue last year was Stan trying to get assets for Sharp. The asset was not to pay him. Stan simply should have waived him. He WOULD have been picked up by someone. Once that happened, Johhny O could have been signed, there would have been Saad $$$, Yes no 15 on the team, but Stan wouldn’t have traded all of there picks away.
    Lastly, Stepan Johns would be on the team…… The likely replacement for Seabrook

  12. BLS, theres a reason no team has gone back to back in nearly 20 years. Shits hard! 2 teams have won more than one cup in the cap era. This will be the 10th season of a cap. Hawks have 3 of them. Kings have 2. Canes, Ducks, Wings, Penguins,Bruins each with one.

    Youre same argument after the first contracts to 19,88,2, 10,7 were made. You have to pay them. They could easily go elsewhere and get the same and your left with cap space. As Bowman said this morning “The teams that have cap flexibility are the teams that haven’t really accomplished anything.”

    Look at the Oilers. They don’t have any more space than the Hawks and they still suck. There comes a time where you have to pay talent.

  13. Mark, that puck didn’t deflect off of leddy. His stick was slashed. He goes to pick it up. Puck cycled to the point and blasted by him.

    Sharp had a NMC. NO MOVEMENT CLAUSE. HE CAN NOT BE WAIVED. He had a modified NTC.

    Lots of hungover stupid showing up here all of a sudden.

  14. Would somebody kindly get on Amazon and send Hawks61 a copy of “The NHL Salary Cap for Dummies.” Because he sure wants to rip Bowman to shreds absent any elementary understanding of how the cap works. Crikey.

  15. I agree with Bowman going for it. We have a precious window with HoF players in their prime. It’s painful but unless you have a star in your system, they’re expendable. 20 years from now I’ll remember the Stanley Cups. I won’t remember the day we traded Phil Danault (love the kid… but come on).

    Stan put together a pretty good roster in what was supposed to be a rebuilding year. It’s not on him that the central is stacked and we drew the Blues in the first round. It’s not his fault we didn’t convert a 5-on-3 in Game 1. It’s not his fault Seabs had a double-post shot.

    If a few bounces go our way, we’re playing a banged up Dallas in Round 2 and our MMQB conversation is very different.

  16. When is enough enough? When you can’t afford a player without not being able to dress a team. Would a lineup of Saad,Toews,Panarin,Kane,Anisimov look good? Yeah. But I’d also like to have Doughty Keith Karlsson and Lidstrom in his prime back there too.

    Identify the players you can not be successful without. Pay them accordingly. Scout like hell to fill in the gaps. Saad was not one of those players. Based on his team sucking hard. I’d still say that’s true. Ditto for Sharp. At one time he was. Now, not so much. I wouldn’t be shocked to see Hossa get dealt. A team like Carolina that needs to add to get to the floor might like the disproportionate salary to cap hit. As he is now one of the players that is no longer a core

  17. The difference in this post season was not being able to overcome Kane and Toews scoring issues. One goal between them in 7 games, that’s taking the slogan a little too seriously. Given that both Toews and Kane are Conne Smythe winners I have no problem cutting them some slack, but the buck has to stop somewhere. Yes depth does matter, specifically because sometimes your stars do get shut down for stretches, but it is not fair to lay it on the likes of a Teuvo as he is still only 21 and his cap figure is ridiculously low. I think it is more appropriate to put it on the shoulders of the guys who are commanding the biggest salaries in the league. They are getting paid to produce when it matters.

    As far as Bowman is concerned, of course the moves a GM makes can have a direct impact on the success or failure of a team. But I look at this squad before the year and all the changes that went to address issues while getting cap compliant and I don’t know what else could have been done. If the Conne Smythe winners play like it, we are not having a post mortem dissecting what moves affected what. Did trading for Daley cause Toews to not score a goal this post season? No? Then shut up about the Sharp trade already. Bottom line, if you are going to earn the top salary in the league, you better show up when it’s time to play. Period.

  18. Hard to argue against MIROSLAV’s points. With huge bucks comes huge responsibility.

    TAB, that’s life in the business of sports.

    Still love Toews and Kane. Toews will rebound next year.

  19. Toews and Kane are the major reason the Hawks have won 3 cups, and they will be the major reason the Hawks will not win another. Unless the cap goes up substantially, they can’t afford to put anything but inexpensive rookies or role players. If the rookies end up good, they will lose them to FA.
    The question in a cap era is do you want to win or do you want to get paid?
    Snidely Rufus: “But if Bowman got a “do over” then I’d expect him to do the same thing. No criticism here”
    Really? You think he would make all of these trades again for a 1st round exit?

  20. It seems that the issues between Q and Bowman affects ice time for the players aquired via trades. How long will this go on? Since we are looking for a D man, how about this trade suggestion STAN !!! Tuevo , TVR, Kruger,and a prospect or draft choice to Florida for Aaron Ekbald.No Rozival , Rundblad and Bickell on the roster should free a nice chunk of change. Resign Shaw and Panik .Put them on the same line with another winger who plays the same style like Shaw.Lay off the Small d man from Sweden and Finland.

  21. Reading is fundamental. If we re-winded time to the trade deadline, then yes Bowman would have made the trade moves he made all over again. Because he thought that this team, as currently constructed, had enough potential to compete for a Cup with a little bit more help. If he forecast anything less, then no he wouldn’t have made those trades. But when you have a team that still has a legitimate window to win another Cup, then you go for it 100 times out of 100.

    In a salary cap world surrounding an expensive “core” with role players and rookies gets harder and harder to make work. Unless you are widely successful in pumping out Brandon Saad types every couple of years that can play for awhile before becoming too expensive to retain. The Hawks do indeed enter a new era now…where it can be argued they are caught between a rock and a hard place…but my goodness, we won 3 Stanley Cups in this latest era…and if the “price” to pay for that is now being caught between a rock and a hard place for several seasons, well then I’ll take that. Might not like it but I’ll always have the memories of the greatest 8 year stretch in franchise history and those 3 pretty banners hanging by the rafters at the United Center.

  22. My personal belief is we can only keep one of Shaw or Hossa because of the cap. Hossa is my favorite player and the name on the back of my jersey that I wear to every game no matter what stadium I am in (I was in St. Louis for games 2 and 7). As much as it kills me to say it Hossa needs to be traded because his cap hit will haunt us once he’s gone (See this article to understand what I am talking about) http://www.secondcityhockey.com/2016/3/9/11185632/marian-hossa-nhl-salary-cap-recapture-penalty-blackhawks-retirement-ltir. Trading Hossa to a team like Carolina or Arizona would benefit the Hawks and allow us to try and sign Panarin and Shaw right now to somewhat team friendly deals. We have a lot of talent but I was saying all year that we really needed a 4th defensemen and Bowman failed to acquire one all year. Getting a 4th guy to play with Hammer needs to be a priority but for some reason I don’t believe Bowman will do what everyone is thinking. He will most likely go out and sign an older defensemen for very little and the fans will hate it. I hope he proves me wrong but this team can win a cup and I said the winner of this past series would win the cup. I hope St. Louis doesn’t win after seeing their fans and how they are the opposite of classy. Next years our year, again.

  23. “if not for a defection of of Leddy’s shoulder they would have had 3 straight cups.” — that is, if not for an ignored slashing (the stick out of Leddy’s hands) call seconds earlier…

  24. Every year it is the same crap from you Rufus. The Hawks aren’t good enough to win the Cup blah, blah blah. I see you just made the same prediction again for 2016/2017. With a nucleus of 2, 88, 19, 50 and 4 and the right moves from Stan I believe they will be a threat again next year. Your defeatist attitude is sickening. Your statement that Stan would make the same moves again is idiotic. 12, 25 and Erhoff did not produce. 16 was not the answer for 1st line LW. Stan had no choice but to get rid of Sharp. The return he got on that trade was poor. Every effort should be made to keep Panarin. It may mean not being able to sign Shaw.

  25. The only deal that still seems to be a huge mistake is the Sharp deal. And not because of Sharp. That part has been beaten to death, and he was (rightfully) going away no matter what. The mistake was the inclusion of Stephen Johns in that deal. Since the Stars called Johns up late this season, he has become a fixture on their blue line and will be for years to come. Every time I see him, I think how much he would have helped the Hawks this year. Much better than Daley, Rozsival, Runblad or Erhoff. He is fast, big, strong and lays out some big hits. He can move the puck out of his zone and has a decent shot. He would have been a big help vs. the Blues, and he would have been a fan favorite in the UC.

    I live in Dallas, so have seen Johns a fair amount. While he makes some rookie mistakes, he makes up for them and they have let him play through them because they know he is going to be a top four D man. The Hawks fans will see that in this next series.

    I have also seen Daley a lot the last several years, and he is a terrible D man. Much like Rosy or Runblad, you hold your breath every time he has the puck in his own zone. He did have some offensive skills, and could play some point on the PP. But he has been a major defensive liability for years.

    Bottom line, the Hawks would have been better off just giving Sharp away. The Stars held out for Johns in that deal and Stan caved.

    While like all of us on here I was hoping for two in a row to help define our recent dynasty, I look for the Hawks to retool again and come after it again in ’17.

    Meanwhile, enjoyed the shit out of following our Hawks on this site. Helps this Chitown native feed my Hawks fix. Thanks for all of your insights, Tab B. And to all you regulars for the insights, laughs and dedication.

    Go Hawks!

  26. Miroslav, ” If the Conne Smythe winners play like it, we are not having a post mortem dissecting what moves affected what. Did trading for Daley cause Toews to not score a goal this post season? No? Then shut up about the Sharp trade already. Bottom line, if you are going to earn the top salary in the league, you better show up when it’s time to play. Period.” — there is certainly some truth to this.

  27. Stan gets credit for trying to win the Cup this year no doubt about that. The problem is the collection of players he picked and what he gave up to get them.

  28. As Ernie alluded to before, there is a crap ton of amateur and clueless GMing going on here.

    1. Sharp could not have simply been put on waivers and had protections in his contract to state that he had to agree to a deal to certain teams.

    2. Bowman had very little if any leverage on the Sharp deal. And the rest of the league knew it.

    3. Hossa isn’t going to be traded because he too has protections in his contract. So this blind squirrel GMing statement that the Hawks can simply pawn him off to a team that needs to get to the salary cap floor is terribly idiotic. Which is really saying something given the low bar of excellence that some of you display on a daily basis.

    4. Hawks61 doesn’t understand the salary cap. In fact, based on his comments I’m not so sure he can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time. So be prepared for this idiot savant to bash the crap out of Bowman all over again when he doesn’t come up with a surefire strategy to surround the existing core talent with more than a bunch of rookies and cheap street free agents.

  29. Jesus fucking Christ the stupid keeps coming. Ekblad is anchored in Florida. Throw in Bickell and we’ll take that turd Barkov off there hands.

    Nill said the only way the Sharp trade happens is if John’s is there. I highly doubt Bowman wanted to make that deal.

    The one question I’d like answered by Bowman is if he knew he was going to lose Johns. Would he have traded Paliotta with Saad?

  30. Math quiz for Hawks61

    Mrs. Wormwood hands out an exercise to her second grade class and tells the students they each can only have 12 cents to lay out the most appealing fruit display on their desk. Stanley starts off with 2 apples costing 2 cents a piece, 1 orange that cost 5 cents and 1 kumquat that costs 7 cents. Stanley knows that the kumquat is the core piece of his display, and so he needs to make a choice on what to do between the orange (it’s a NICE orange) and apples (everyday apples) in his current inventory. Does he…

    A. Sell off the 2 apples and keep the 1 orange and 1 kumquat?
    B. Sell off the 1 orange and keep the 2 apples and 1 kumquat?
    C. Profess to Mrs. Wormwood that he’s an idiot incapable of understanding high level math and keep the 2 apples, 1 orange and 1 kumquat?

  31. Rufus, I wouldn’t have said the Hossa trade had there not been prior precedent.

    Chris Pronger was traded to Arizona to help Arizona get to the floor.

    Marc Savard was traded to Florida to help them get to the floor.

  32. Trading Hossa does not get the Hawks around the recapture penalty, and the Hawks would no longer have control of how his career “ends.” no chance.

  33. Marion Hossa has 5 years remaining on his original 12 year contract. He turns 38 years old next season and has been in pronounced decline the past two seasons. And finally, he does have contract stipulations that mean he would have to green light a trade to certain clubs. So the chances of Hossa being pawned off to one of the dregs of the NHL that also faces the issue of getting to the salary floor are, to put it charitably, REMOTE.

  34. Do you really think Bettman would let them pull the LTIR trick? Because I highly doubt that. Hed get too much grief from all the other owners that want to kneecap the Hawks.

  35. The obvious weakness going into the season was our defense. Stan’s answer to fixing the problem was Erhoff, Scuderi and Daley. Three guys Q didn’t want any part of. How many times will Stan go back to the well and pick up slow footed washed up defensemen to fix the problem?

  36. So what exactly is Svedberg and Rozsival??

    Pretty sure those are Q guys. If you think Stan resigned Svedberg and Q had no input…well I’m sorry

  37. Q must have lost confidence in Rozy and Svedberg at the end of the series because he benched them. Erhoff, Scuderi and Daley never got many minutes during the season.

  38. I don’t have anything against SB for any of the trades this last season. His back was up against the wall in having to dump Sharp’s salary. Sharp had a down season last year, so there weren’t a lot of GMs anxious to take a chance on him. The trades SB made at the deadline seemed good at the time. They just did not work out.

    I hope we can find a way to keep Shaw. I know we must clear some cap space. The first thing to do is just eat Bickell’s contract. We couldn’t find a taker for him last season and even with only 1 year left, I don’t think we’ll be able to find a team interested in him. I had read even in doing this the Hawks would still be stuck with 1.2 M of his contract against next year’s cap, but it’s better than 4 M.

    I’m not sure what the Hawks will do next. Will they give up on Teuvo? Will they find a team interested in Hossa? I not really sure. I’ll leave that up to SB.

  39. I’m not prepared to wade into the weeds, at least not yet. I know the evaluation process is the right thing to do and I’m sure the Hawks management team will all do their part in evaluating the overall organization. And, I believe they will do so with more objectivity than I’m capable of right now. For me, the wound has to at the very least scab over, if not heal completely before I can dispassionately evaluate the job Stan did, as well as Q, the players, etc. We’ll have plenty of time for autopsy before the boys hit the ice again.

    But, I will say that I thought the Hawks had a pretty good year. Maybe the bar is raised so high now that 100+ point season and a razor thin loss in the first round is considered less than acceptable, but that’s not how I see it. It was an exciting season and I think the boys acquitted themselves pretty well. Hopefully the extra rest this off season will recharge their batteries and they’ll be right back in the thick of it again come this time next year.

    Go Hawks ! ! ! !

  40. If bought out, Bryan Bickell would have a 1.5 million dollar cap hit for 16/17 as well as 17/18.

  41. Well at least Rufus seems to have a good understanding of fruits. I guess it takes one to know one.

  42. Ernie; Suggesting that Carolina take Hossa is a stroke of genius.They would also want Rundblad in that deal Sincerely Stupid. P.S. Tallon is a big fan of Tuevo.

  43. Ekblad. Stud 2 time all star big right shot defenseman.

    I love Teuvo. But if you are able to trade for Ekblad, your paying him 7mil plus. It’s absolutely not happening. I suggested before he was drafted trading Seabrook for Ekblad. Word was Tallon liked Teuvo. That was over a year ago. Hed be fired on the spot if he traded Ekblad for Teravainen, a 4th line center, and a bottom pair defenseman.

  44. So Hawks1961 wanted Bowman to come up with something better than Daley, Erhoff and Scudieri ! Brilliant !!! Good old Stan Bowman had no cap room to work with you mathematician.

  45. Ernie : It’s my understanding that when Ekbald was on the draft board , Tallon wanted Tuevo and a draft choice for his pick that turn out to be Ekbald. The Canucks wanted Tuevo and prospects for Ryan Kessler.It is rumored that Kane went to Stan and told him he wanted Kessler as his center man.Stan diclined both offers. The longer the Hawks keep Tuevo, the more his trade value will go down My reason is that Q will have him play center with different line mates or right wing the same way.Ville Pokka is another prospect that Stan is high on. He got trade offers for him this year . He declined those offers.We saw how much Q thought of him.Not good enough to be called up for the play offs.By the way Ernie. I’m also an Idiot . My wife says so.

  46. In my humble opinion Teuvo is never going to be a legitimate top 6 forward. In the NHL you need to be exceptional at something. Either speed to burn, size to intimidate, a great shot, never say die guts or fantastic play making abilities.

    I don’t see any of those attributes in Teuvo. I think they hoped he was going to be the play maker. However, he doesn’t show it at the speed of the NHL game. His passing is brutal. He consistantly fans on his passes and shots. Worse yet, he panics and doesn’t hold on to the puck long enough to set up his teammates.

    The only hope I have for him is if he shows the play making skills in practice and just doesn’t have confidence to pull it off in games. The coaches must see something in him still.

    Might as well give him another year since he does play ok in his own end. If I’m right though, he’s bottom 6 at the very best.

    I really doubt any GM’s will byte on him now. Perhaps their best shot with him would have been a trade with Tampa for Drouin. That ship has sailed.

  47. I have no problem with SB gambling and going all in for the SC. With regard to JT and PK only getting 1 goal between them, they only had 2 goals between them in the SCF. Our defense was better with Oduya and that would have been the difference this year if SB was able to dump Bickel’s contract. I can’t see anybody taking Bickel off our hands so it will be a difficult task for SB negotiating next year’s cap.

  48. I take exception to people saying Hossa is in decline . hes my favorite player on the Hawks and scored more goals in the Blues series than Toews or Kane B

  49. The Panthers had the number 1 pick in 2014. Ekblad just turned 20. Not sure where you’re getting your info. But it’s interesting nonetheless.

    Any thoughts of Teuvo for Ekblad scenario are LONG GONE. Not necessarily an indictment on Teuvo. More a testament to how good Ekblad is. I don’t think Teuvo is a center. I don’t think you trade him. But he’s not untradeable. I think you play him like Kane. Where he plays center from the wing. If you have 4 legitimate centers, which this team didn’t have you don’t need to play Teuvo at center. You have 3 on the roster now. 1 center. 2 left wings. A fourth line wing. And a 4th defenseman.

    Some of that may come from within. Hartman could be a 4th wing. Motte could be a 3lw. Neither Rasmussen nor Kero thrill me, but I suppose they could do the job. I’d be interested to see what Boyd Gordon wants. A right handed center that wins draws.

    So you’re looking for a 4d and 1lw. Trading Teuvo or Hossa most likely creates another hole

  50. He’s my favorite player so he must be great still and he scored more goals in a 7 game sample. He’s 37!!

  51. Milton – Our overall defense was better with Leddy as the # 5 D in 2014 when we lost to the Kings than it was last year with the rotating clown car of Rosi, Rundblad, Cumiskey, Timonen when we won. The difference in the 2015 SCF was Duncan Keith, a two time Norris trophy winner who upped his game en route to earning himself the Conne Smythe. Big players playing big in big moments.

    Look at it a different way. If the Hawks best players had played up to their ability (and pay grade) would the Blues have still won? If the answer is yes, then sure, I’ll agree that the overall D was not good enough. The problem is that I don’t believe that to be true, had either Kane or Toews played like they are paid, the Hawks win this in 5 or 6 games. That didn’t happen and they were still were a goal post bounce away from tying game 7 with 4 minutes left. Defense wasn’t the reason the Hawks lost this series.

  52. Right after dispatching the Bruins in ’13, the Hawks used both compliance buyouts on Montador and Olesz, yes? I always thought they should have saved one for Hossa. In that scenario, they could have bought him out after the ’14 season. Could they have still won the Cup in ’15 without Hossa? Maybe not. They would have been better off in the long term without his cap hit for sure. But then you’re maybe passing up the best chance to win now.

  53. Miroslav- really want to argue on your statement, defend things, but I can’t .. Kane’s OT goal was a true super feat and one for the ages, but was the only one. Toews got assists but zip goals. It sort of reflected our season a bit. I really don’t get it with Panarin tearing it up and Anisimov and Ladd .. But you are right. Tired, worn down, one bridge too far? .. But that was not the case for the whole team. Well as you stated we came real close to a tie and probably OT. We finished the last 2 games of the season kinda weirdly and should have had game 1 . I’m with you on this .. The big guns should have come through.

  54. HAwks won the cup with four defensemen last year; league made adjustments as pros do and a repeat was not to be. Sharpe is playing much much better this year than he did in his last two years in Chicago; no one could have predicted he would do this well. Q and SB realize that the Hawk core is aging and went full out to win again ; nothing but praise for that. This has been an incredible run and its not over. I dare anyone in this blog to look at college hockey and accurately predict which player will make the NHL. There’s some magic there and Q has stuck with TVR and NH because he liked their initial positioning. What’s that?

  55. A for effort and going for it, however, D+ for the actual results. The Sharp deal was clearly an F not only set the Hawks back but spring boarded the Stars into a contender. Not to mention all the returning players spent only a few games w the club and didnt contribute much.

    Panik was a nice find and hopefully will be brought back. However his addition was hardly enough to make this yrs trades better then below average. I am more concerned w what Stan does moving forward. The fact that Runblad returned for the playoffs was also a failure. The Hawks really need raise their talent level moving forward.

  56. Miroslav- you are spot on… The best players… were not the players on the ice…
    only paid like they were the best (past tense)

    Nobody here actually knows (100%) what other Potential deals were on the table for Sharp from other GM’s… so let’s stop defending SB with… “He had NO other deals available for Sharp” – cuz NOBODY here- has the True story- it is ALL speculation…
    some “rumors” were teams wanted Danault with Sharp… Bowman said NO!

    John Duff- You are right about Johns… Johns will be a beast… and Would have been about $6M cheaper/similar to Seabrook- Which IS the new “Handcuffs” contract for Hawks…

    Pokka- can’t skate- Johns is better

  57. So the summary of Sharp trade is $1.25M of dead weight of Scuderi. Maybe and only maybe if we offered to retain $1.25M of Sharpie salary to any team, there would be takers.
    Monday morning quarterbacking is always 20/20.
    Great season. Next one will be better.

  58. TT is afraid of contact . He completely disappeared in the playoffs . What does he bring to the table?

    I would trade him IF I could get a 4 D or a strong forward to play with Toews.

    Stan REALLY has his work cut out for him again this summer !

  59. Many more weeks of rest will do this team good. 4 1 goal losses to a deep, hungry team. With so much mid season turnover, it was hard to get the team to gel, and they just didn’t quite make it.

    Like tab I most question the trade for Weise and Fleischman, the scant uptick in physicality Weise brought was about the only upside of that deal, simply too many new faces to settle in, for f€£¥ sake, freaking questions at center in the first round of the playoffs, and we traded a young one away. Remember when we had 4 centers? And 2 of them were just ok? Oh yeah, their name is on the cup we’re coughing up. 3 good ones and a kid might have been the difference with the outstanding disciplined Blues D. The more I think of it I HATE THAT TRADE. honestly the best trade Bowman made was Saad, couldn’t keep his salary, got a solid contributor in return, who’d a thunk Ani had 3 more playoff goals that Saad this year. Not nice, I know, but he could’ve played ball to stick with this team. Might’ve been stupid on his part, but he could’ve played ball.

    What are the prospects for D next year? TVR showed marked growth, and Gus seems like a Q guy, I’m optimistic we have something pretty good there, maturing young D is never a bad thing, sometimes they even get good. Anybody in the system going to take the 6 and 7 spots? Any cheap and mean free agents available (other than Rozy, love ya dude but we gotta make a move)?

  60. We stand in a crossroad now. We have good trade value in 86, 72, 65, 81 and I think at least 1 of them should be off this under this year. put bickell together with anyone of them and we should be able to get a little room for the cap + maybe a descent top 4 defenseman.

    To be honest I was happy that Bowman went for the cup this year too. But now in the aftermath I feel it was for the best that it turned out the way it turned out. We had deep playoff runs for a long time now and I think that a rest is well in place.

    Since everybody else is evaluating Stans work then I’ll do it to. What did we loose this year to be honest? draft picks and prospects, oh yes a couple of them. But what did we get in return? A solid second center in Anisimov that was a missing piece for years. We shouldnt cry over spilled milk, it could be worse look at rangers. We still have our core and I belive there is no team with a better core than us.

  61. I think we have learned in the Cap era that top heavy teams win most of the time. SB knows this and did his best to work things out. I have no doubt that next year at the deadline he will do the same thing. I also believe other GM’s have seen the success of top loading and are following suit.

    A top heavy team with depth does not stay that way for long. Particularly if you win a Cup. Building depth at the deadline has been an SB trademark and he has done it remarkably well. This years team was no exception. The fact that they lost in the 1st round should not change the way the Hawks and SB operate. I have said before, no one manages the Cap better than SB

    I can complain about this trade or that, but I have no regrets. The Toews/Kane era is far from over. The Hawks will be competitive for years to come. It will be a long long time until a team makes 5 WCF and 3 Cups in 6 years.

  62. So the threshold challenges facing Bowman this offseason are big…

    1. What can he really do to improve this club being that we are right up against the salary cap?
    2. Is there any way to retain Shaw, who in many ways is severely underrated by some fans and is the heart and soul of this club?
    3. Is there ANY way at all to dump Bickell’s contract?
    4. Is it time to trade Teuvo and move on, given that this soft and very overrated Finn is not a fit for what we do in Chicago? Could packing Teuvo with Bickell enable the shedding of Bickell’s contract?
    5. How does this team find a capable and rugged #4 type defenseman that is so desperately needed?
    6. What does this team do in terms of both wings on the Toews line?
    7. How does this team manage Hossa going forward and will he accept and be any good at a 3rd line type role?

    To me, it is PAINFULLY simple. The Hawks are now squarely between a rock and a hard place. In addition to trading Teuvo (and maybe pairing him with Bickell as enticement to lose that contract) I think Bowman has to get very serious about trading Panarin. He’s the only viable “big” trading piece available and it is going to be virtually impossible to get him signed to a new contract after the 2016-17 season. So while the thought of trading Panarin is inexplicable to consider on some fronts, the unvarnished reality is that it may be the smart strategic move in order to get a couple of high-end youngish and cheap pieces that can help this team move to the next era of Cup competitiveness (hopefully).

    Make no mistake…the Hawks are indeed between a rock and hard place now. This was the price to pay for winning 3 Stanley Cups in 6 years and producing an incredible 8 year run in the friggin salary cap era. Bold out of the box thinking is going to be needed. Or we simply devolve into being a pretty good hockey club that makes the playoffs but isn’t a real contender for the Cup because the pieces surrounding the very expensive “core” simply are not good enough. We need more than just a bunch of cheap limited skill young players and veterans on minimum contracts. You can’t win when you become “over-weighted” with guys of this variety, no matter how good the core is. Not unless you hit the Lotto and come up with a Brandon Saad type or two every couple of years, which honestly doesn’t look to be in the cards. Schmaltz is a nice prospect. Motte is a nice prospect. But those two represent the highest end of what is in the talent pipeline right now and aren’t remotely in the league of the next Saad or Panarin. The rest are a bunch of roster filler types.

  63. The Hawks have about $70mm tied up in 8 forwards, 7 defense men, 2 goalies and including about $3mm in bonuses, $3.05mm in Bickell and $1.125mm in Scuderi.

    The challenge is that trading TT or Panarin offers very very little Cap relief for 16-17. They are, in fact, the exact type of players the Hawks need to start the 16-17 season…..cheap good players. However, these 2 players could go a long way in restocking the system with prospects and picks.

  64. Trading Bickell is going to be nearly impossible. A buy out is much more likely. Look at how hard it was to move an NHL player like Sharp. Bickell isnt even an NHL player forget it is likely not happening unless SB finds a team looking to hit the cap floor and even that is highly unlikely. This off season is going to be very hard. Whats worse is the Hawks most NHL level prospect is now skating for Dallas. Pokka likely isnt the answer. Motte and Schmaltz will likely be able to challenge for a roster spot.

  65. With the exception of Scuderi’s remaining cap hit through 2017 (and that sucks), each trade made sense at the time and hell, we all do what we can do. Hawks got some nuggets (Panik, Weise) and stinkers (take your pick at 4 D). I have no problem with the moves.

    4 D was addressed three times (Daley, Scuderi, Ehrhoff) in trades, and numerous times (Svedberg, Gustafsson, TVR, Runblad) through internal development. That’s not even counting past experiments with Clendenning and Dahlbeck. Give credit where credit is due- Johnny Oduya is a terrific hockey player and was hard to replace. And SB traded for him, too.

  66. Snidely – You have some interesting views on the Hawks situation, but… The Hawks are not painfully between anything. except perhaps an extended and much needed sunburn and hangover… In all seriousness I think you are overstating your case. It is natural to be disappointed in an early exit from the SC, but the sky is not falling…

    The margin between victory/defeat the Hawks experienced in the last 3 SC runs was not that much different than the one they experienced in getting bumped by the Blues. A lot of tight games, (un)lucky bounces, close games that could go either way. The Hawks were a big play from Toews or Kane away from advancing and a big play or two away from Stamos to losing in the cup finals. They have not dropped off by much at all.

    It’s tough to call a 21 year old year player in his first full season who was asked to be, first line LW, PKer, PP point, third line center, second line RW overrated… (Did I miss a role?) Bowman’s exit interview comments about him were telling, sometimes the needs of the team conflict with what is best for a developing player. In Teuvo’s case he was asked to do way more than a guy like Saad was asked in his first full year with the team. Yeah it would have been nice to have the luxury to give him a role to develop into, but he handled the bouncing around very well for a young kid. He still has value to this team and his production will grow with some consistency in his role(s).

    Shaw is an intriguing riddle for the Hawks this off season. I don’t think the Hawks can afford to keep both Kruger and Shaw, two 5th rounders who have carved out a niche on this squad. The Hawks decided that a defensive and PK specialist who is good at the dot was worth the contract extension. Would the money needed to keep Shaw be better spent bringing up a youngster or two from Rockford and keeping around guys like Panik and Weise? Between McNeil, Hartman, Hinostroza, Motte and Kero, there has to be one or two NHLer’s that can make the team. Panik could play the role that Stalberg was asked to play but balked at. Speed on the third line, bring a physical presence, and spot start in the top six as needed? Weise could bring some edge to the third line to replace some of the instigator that Shaw is so good at. I’m not saying that replacing Shaw would not sting a bit, but I think there are ways it could be done that would ultimately make the Hawks better than if he stays.

    Hossa’s comments about playing on the third line were rather encouraging. When asked how he would handle being put on the third line he said that wherever Coach Q thinks he fits in best would be fine with him. He said that he didn’t see a drop off in playing time, in fact his minutes increased in the new role this year. That could bode well for getting 4 lines rolling next year. Finding a way to still be productive on the third line would make his high cap hit in his twilight years easier to swallow and make filling out the roster less painful.

    Finally, about trading Panarin goes. Ask Boston how they feel about what they got for Tyler Seguin. You don’t give up on young dynamic talent. There is a saying that it is better to trade away a player a year too soon than a year too late, but I don’t think there is a saying for trading a player 5 years too soon. He may end up being too expensive to sign after next year depending on what the cap situation is, but if that happens you do what you did with Saad and make a blockbuster trade at that time. There will be plenty of teams willing to take him off our hands next year, in the meantime you have a dynamic young player with a very affordable contract that gives you some cap flexibility in the short term. When Bickell is off the books you have another 4 million to work with when it is time to re-sign Panarin. Assuming there is an increase in the cap at that time, there will be money to give him Saad like money.

  67. “Could packing Teuvo with Bickell enable the shedding of Bickell’s contract?”

    I’m far from a cap expert. Somebody who knows, correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the cap difference between a Bickell trade or a Bickell buyout only $1 million? If that is correct, WHY would Stan B. give away Teravainen (remember, he’ll turn 22 in Sept. / seems to have a lot of skill and upside…but lacks size and strength, which can be somewhat adjusted) to save $1 million?

  68. before we punt a 22-year-old forward that the organization clearly believes in more than most fans, let’s consider these lines for a moment:

    Motte-Toews-Kane
    Panarin-Anisimov-Teravainen
    Panik-Kruger-Hossa
    Desjardins-Rasmussen-Hartman

  69. What’s the compensation for Shaw signing with anudder club? I know it depends on the contract but don’t remember much else.

  70. Tab while I like the line combos you put out, as to making the best out of what we currently have, count me as one of those that has changed his mind on Tuevo”s value. I would like to see if a Tuevo plus a D man like Gustafsson or Svedberg would get us Hamonic from NYI. It would probably be contingent on resolving the Bickell situation. As to the organization feeling about him, it seems like Q might not be in that corner, I don’t have playing time numbers with me, but it sure seemed like his time faded with his production during the series. And I realize that would leave a hole up front, but I would rather deal with that the best Stan could. I realize Stan has a Very tough job. And put me on the list of people who think Stan and Q probably are not on the same page enough, looking at the player numbers you listed, it seems like the players leave here and increase production, yea I know the whole Q system thing, just seems like it happens too often. And as always Really appreciate the effort and contributions you give all of us.

  71. Tab, your proposed roster isn’t good enough. It’s just not. and I know you know that. Probably good enough to back into the Western Conference playoffs, but not much beyond that. In fact, your proposed roster is Exhibit A for the being in between a rock and a hard place dilemma. Bowman will have to get very creative, and look to make a move or two that some will find shocking.

  72. Miroslav – Your take on all of this fanatic post-mortem is right on the money IMO. Rufus, sorry, but yours is not – rarely is. Overstating the case is your expertise. The dust will settle and the Hawks will be fine, and TT will continue to develop. SB and company will find a way to keep us competitive for a number of years to come. If you want to point to a team between a rock and a hard place, you can point squarely at the Ducks, not the Hawks.

  73. I like Tab’s lines– but would love to have Shaw in for Kruger– that ship has sailed unfortunately. Krugs has given his heart and body for the team but I think this would be the one do-over if Stan was truthful.

  74. Why in the world would any team make a trade with the Hawks to get Bickle and Teuvo ? Buy his own words Teuvo is responsible for everything wrong with the Chicago Blackhawks according to Snidley. With the worst contract in hockey and a “ill fitting , no talent, overrated Finn” how in the hell are you going to find a trade partner Snidley. The argument you keep screaming about makes no sense so give us all a break and watch the Cubs. I still think you are Dan Bernstein from the radio if not you must be his brother.

  75. Assuming the salary cap goes up a few million and we buy out Bickell (saving $2.5m) does anyone know how much would be available for Shaw and the remaining roster spots? Regarding the Rockford prospects I believe Hino made more progress this year than anyone. He and Teuvo (and TVR) need to hit the weight room big time between now and September but I think Hino has a shot at being a Tyler Johnson lite. I don’t see trading Panarin at this time but if there is no path to signing him by mid year I could see him going at the trade deadline for a first round pick and a couple of top prospects.

  76. It will also be interesting and a challenge after 16/17. Panarin and Teravainen will need new contracts. If Panarin at least maintains his play and Tuevo fulfills the potential many think he has but why worry now?

  77. $1,205,377 and below No compensation
    $1,205,377 to $1,826,328 Third-round pick
    $1,826,328 to $3,652,659 Second-round pick
    $3,652,659 to $5,478,986 First- and third-round pick
    $5,478,986 to $7,305,316 First-, second-, and third-round pick
    $7,305,316 to $9,131,645 Two first-round picks and a second- and third-round pick
    $9,131,645 and above Four first-round picks

    So would probably be a second round pick for Shaw and TT
    Will easily be a first and third rounder for Panarin….maybe more

  78. Thanks Mike. Also this to consider in da future:

    “More #nhl expansion draft info. sources indicate no-moves must be protected by teams. no-trade clauses not exempt and can be left exposed.”

  79. I appreciate Stan going all in to repeat. It was a unique opportunity and as a fan I am glad he went for it. With the benefit of hindsight my thoughts are that the Panik trade was fantastic for the Hawks. He absolutely should be part of the future. Its hard to evaluate the Sharp trade because we don’t know what the options were. For instance, could the Hawks have just traded Sharp only for a 7th round pick in like 2017? If so, I would have greatly preferred that to giving up Johns and receiving less cap reduction. Again I don’t know the options.

    On the Weise deal its tough because that could have worked, but it didn’t and same with the Ladd deal. In both trades the Hawks gave up significant assets. Overall, I guess I am critical of the Sharp deal(adding Johns and taking back too much salary in the form of flawed players) and I can live with the Ladd and Weise deals even though it didn’t work. Also don’t trade TT despite the sub par playoffs. He is young and has huge upside that the Hawks need.

  80. In an effort to get bigger without giving up any age and not too much skill….would you consider acquiring Kevin Hayes from the Rangers for TT. He can skate, he can play first line wing, the power play if need be, and even third line centre. He`s big, protects the puck well, he`s still young, and cheap….. we should have given him anything he wanted to choose Chicago. We`d be a bigger team now if we had Hayes and Johns. Imagine if we had also drafted Fabbri instead of trading up to take Schmaltz as well. We`d have filled a lot of holes.

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