Feeling Blue In New York: Blackhawks Fall To Rangers

After getting their asses handed to them in New Jersey on Monday, the Blackhawks looked to bounce back at Madison Square Garden against the Rangers.

Both teams are in the midst of a rebuild.

Both teams have a Strome.

The puck dropped and the Blackhawks came out with a compete level that never showed up against the Devils. They dominated the opening ten minutes or so and got on the board first when Brandon Saad put home a rebound for his 14th of the year.

Artem Anisimov and Brent Seabrook were credited with assists on the power play goal.

But then Cody McLeod started making noise.

McLeod hammered a couple Blackhawks with big hits, including Jonathan Toews, and then produced a good scoring chance on his first three shifts of the game. And as he brought physical pressure, the Blackhawks stopped attacking.

Filip Chytil tied the game with a nice individual effort at 13:20 and Mats Zuccarello gave the Rangers the lead four minutes later.

And after a strong start to the game, the Blackhawks went to the room trailing 2-1 after 20 minutes. Chicago had a 12-9 shot advantage in the first but didn’t produce when they had chances.

The second period was a totally different Blackhawks group than the one that started the game. There was no sustained offense, no second chances, and a lot of chasing. One goal was erased because the Rangers were offside but Chris Kreider extended the lead 13 minutes into the second.

After 40 minutes the Rangers had a 3-1 lead on the scoreboard and a 22-21 shot advantage. And the Hawks looked like a team destined for another loss.

Jeremy Colliton kept riding Patrick Kane, and why not? He’s arguably the hottest scorer in the league right now. But Kane had skated 14:17 through two periods after skating almost half the game against the Devils.

Surprisingly, Seabrook was the Hawks’ overall ice time leader after two period; he was on the ice for 16:47 through two and led the team with four shots on goal.

Chicago had six hits as a team though two periods; McLeod had four.

The Hawks got a power play to start the third period and immediately made the Rangers pay. Alex DeBrincat deposited a one-timer off a pass from Kane to bring the Blackhawks within one just 100 seconds into the final 20 minutes.

Kane’s assist was the 554th of his career, tying him with Doug Wilson for third in Blackhawks team history.

Erik Gustafsson also picked up an assist on the DeBrincat goal, his 22nd helper of the season.

It took Colliton about seven minutes into the third to roll out a line of DeBrincat-Toews-Kane at even strength and the line put together a good shift with sustained offensive zone time. Toews’ next shift had Saad back on his wing, however.

At 12:46 into the third Chris Kunitz, who dressed instead of John Hayden for unknown reasons (again), went to the box for tripping. The Hawks were able to kill the penalty but were left with five minutes left in regulation to chase a tying goal.

Chicago came out of a stoppage with the DeBrincat-Toews-Kane line with three minutes left in regulation but this time the line struggled to advance the puck into the offensive zone. The Blackhawks were struggling to get shots on net after the DeBrincat goal as the Rangers defensively locked down the neutral zone.

Collin Delia went to the bench with 1:45 left in the third and the Hawks trailing by one.

After a Kane shot was held by Henrik Lundqvist, Colliton used his timeout with 76 seconds on the clock. He came out with five forwards – Kane, Toews, DeBrincat, Strome and DeBrincat – with Gustafsson. That group generated a good look for Toews before New York used their timeout with 44 seconds on the clock.

Kane tried to fire a cross-ice pass to DeBrincat that the Rangers picked off and Mika Zibanejad scored into the empty net to make the score 4-2. The game was effectively over.

But Dominik Kahun rifled a shot past Lundqvist with 1.5 seconds left to make the final score 4-3. Because someone, somewhere took the over.

Thursday night was only the third time that Dylan and Ryan Strome played against each other in their young NHL career. Both has been traded already this season; the Oilers traded Ryan to New York for Ryan Spooner on Nov. 16.

Kane finished the night skating 25:17 with a team-high six shots on net. Toews won 11 of 18 at the dot in 22:02 in the game.

Seabrook ended the night skating 23:43 while Duncan Keith skated 24:16, the highest on the blue line.

Brendan Perlini skated only 7:30 and disappeared off the bench for the third period.

111 thoughts on “Feeling Blue In New York: Blackhawks Fall To Rangers

  1. As much grief (well deserved and supported by the evidence) that I give Bowman, he saw something in Hayden to draft him and sign him quickly a couple of years ago. Why isn’t he given a four shake to play? Maybe he truly sucks, but I would like to see him play regularly the rest of the season to make an objective determination. Q wasn’t a fan either; maybe since he graduated from Yale and has half a brain he talks educated smack to whoever the coach is.

    Speaking of the coach, I’m glad the Hawks had fun at practice yesterday. What’s on tap for tomorrow, play dates with their favorite ex teammates that still live in Chicago area?

  2. Weird game with the line combos and d-men pairings and TOI. Too easy to play against has been the common refrain including tonight.

    Oh well – play like crapo for Kaapo?

  3. Why is Kruger playing on the wing? Why is Kruger even dressed? Why is Kunitz not retired? Why is this coach playing Kane for 30 minutes? So, Bowman can win games and get into the playoffs. You neec talent and this roster has none, period. Remove Kane from this team, what is left? Toews, Keith , Seabs, the Cat, Saad, Crawford….nothing else. Joki is scared of contact, Gusta has a great offensice IQ, the rest is nothing.
    A fourth line of Kahun Kampf and Hayden is ok but that is all they are worth. Even with all these 4th line AHL players and bottom 3 dmen, we are still 31st in the PK? What system is this coach teaching?
    And lets not get too excited with DELIA who was awful tonight. Deep in his net and passive.
    Play Kane 19-20 minutes and let the rest of Bowman’s undradted free agents or other teams garbage (Strome & Perlini) so we finish last, Bowman gets fired and EDDIO O becomes president, fires John Mac, hires either Billy Zito or Dean Lombardi or Mark Hunter as GM, and gets a talented coach, not JC….fire him too. Maybe bring back Coach Q or get Pascal Vincent away from the JETS!
    Sign Panarin, Schmaltz trade Anisimov and Strome,

  4. And can we retire numbers 24 and 28 numbes !
    Thx! Go Hawks! Kane needs a statue outside next to HULL and MIKITA before he gets traded to Buffalo!

  5. 33 games left. Trade market percolating. Stan has to sell, sell, sell.
    We are going to get a top 3 pick. So the draft will already yield a prime prospect.
    Would be fantastic to add other picks. Ruuta deal helped.

    Anisimov = big Center that teams covet.
    Kruger = good penalty killer with winning pedigree.
    Saad = Stanley Cup winner, good grinder.
    Ask Kunitz and Ward if the want to waive their NMC to go to playoff contender.

    Picks, picks, picks and dominate the draft as well an extra puck or two in 2020.

  6. I’d like to thank Kunitz again for assisting this team in obtaining a higher draft pick.

  7. in fact we should give Kunitz an award at center ice before a game to commemorate his assistance in the goal to reach the bottom of the league; maybe a silver or gold stick perhaps. Thanks for making the team worse Kunitz; you did a great job achieving this goal.

  8. P.S. speaking of Kampf, how is he exempt to getting scratched? Q had some sense, he scratched him a couple times; the new coach thinks he is a healthy Bolland reincarnated. I think Hayden has two goals — he has sat out close to half the games, and must average 7-8 mins max when he does play.

    How many goals does Kampf have, maybe 4? Playing all the games but a couple, and mostly 2nd/3rd line minutes. And by the way, he kills penalties sometimes too, and the Hawks rank last in that category I think. Kampf is closer belonging in Rockford than he is playing regularly with the Hawks.

    At best, Kampf is an average 4th line player who is being grossly mis and over used by the coach. Aside from Hayden, Fortin is a better option to play regular minutes than Kampf. What would be a better 4th line the rest of the season– Kampf Kruger Kunitz or Hayden Fortin & name someone else from Rockford since highmore is hurt?

    SMH.

  9. Keep in mind if there is a new GM, he will have the authority to pick his own Coach. This Colliton thing might last as long as Alpo Suhonen.

  10. Original6, from last thread. Yea I think even a team that doesnt have a hurt center. Some of top teams could be like our roster in 2013, as deep as that was, we needed a center big good at D. 15 could be some teams Hands was for us.

    Recliner, Bowman and crew are genius. Tank ufas.

  11. To get a very high pick, in addition to losing, we need some Hawk Helpers: ARI, DET, LA, and OTT have each won two straight. Keep winning.

    Disagree with Hull about Delia. tonight he had a .906 sv%, which is not “awful”. Overall, he looks like a solid backup, which is better than anything they had last year. Also, maybe some of the young players will not pan out, but now is the time to give them lots of minutes to find out who will make the team next year.

    Agree with Craig about selling, but only with a decent return. AA should fetch a late 2nd rounder or good prospect. Be careful what you wish for with Saad. His numbers are somewhat disappointing but his overall game is very good and he is still young.

    Have been critical of Bowman, but his recent trades have mostly been good. Just looked up Ryan Hartman’s numbers: 49 GP, 16 points (a point every three games). Beaudin will be the better player.

  12. Sticking with my narrative from last night…

    Trade Kruger and Kunitz for anything. Trade Anisimov for a 2nd rounder no less freeing up $4.2m in cap. Crow I think is going LITR freeing up another $6M in cap.
    That gives us the cap space to play big in free agency. If we get the #1 or #2 pick in the lottery then without question get Kakko and he slots right in. If we don’t, then we have to not only get Panarin but go after another big acquisition target like Stone or at a minimum Dzingel. Hopefully we get Kakko but if and Crow goes on LITR, we have options.

    Saad – Toews – Kakko (Stone)
    Panarin – Strome – Kane
    Kahun – Kurashev – Debrincat (Dzingel)
    Perlini – Kampf – Cags

    Keith – Jokiharju
    Murphy – Boqvist
    Gus – Seabs
    Dahlstrom

    Delia
    Ward (Lehner)

    Our chances of the #1 or #2 spot in the draft lottery if we place last in the NHL (current standing) is 40%.

    The defense will get better with more play time. I think the wild card will be if Mitchell is signed do the Hawks bring up Mitchell and Boqvist or let one of them develop further?

    Another comment; Debrincat, and I do love him, is not big enough to play on the first line. He’s a good 2nd liner and an amazing 3rd liner where his speed, passing and shooting skills, and defensive skill shine. Against opponents 1st line, his defense skills don’t shine, his speed is often matched by bigger opponents, and he loses every board battle. Again, I love Cat but at his size, he gets handled more then 50% of the time by bigger fast top line opponents. You’d have to look into his possession, GA/TA and shooting percentage stats in games on the 1st line versus 3rd line to confirm what my eyes and likely others are seeing.

    One last thought, maybe we look at trading Gus (very friendly contract and powerplay stud) to someone for a stay at home D guy on the left. Maybe Carolina would trade De Haan for Gus, Sikura, and a 2nd rounder? Or maybe if we get Kakko, we have the space to get Gardiner as the Leafs won’t sign him to an extension?

  13. We could have signed De Haan and James Neil or David Perron…Kept Schmaltz at center with Kane and Neil. This team would have been competitive but the drunken Bowman who has no clue signs Ward and Kunitz to ridiculous contracts, with no trade clauses???? Signs Davidson and Manning to contracts as well.
    Anyway, AA should have been traded last year in March!!!!

  14. I mean I would love to see the babbitt brothers 72/15/88 kicking ass in vegas again.

    Like taking best available player at draft we need to do whats best midterm-longterm for reload so were really good for yrs 2-10 from now). I d just hate to get roster loaded again and not have Crow and then need goalie.

  15. Delia will come back somewhat to the norm-is he a starter or back-up, long term?
    I did say caution with the accolades.
    But he isn’t a 930% goalie-very few are, even in a single year. he has some funny technique that may or may not work.

  16. Jeez, there is no scoring from the third and fourth lines, they rarely even have a good chance. And those Daley for Mayor commercials are making my skin crawl!

  17. Prospects: Chl
    Boqvist 1g
    Beaudin 1a
    Kurashev 1a 10 of 17 fos

    Ushl
    Slavin 1a

    Europe
    Kayumov 1g 1st game back susp.
    Altybarmayan 1a
    Soderlund 1a
    Nordgren plays today, intentionally not played yesterday to avoid back to back?

    Just if anybody wondering. Dahlstrom in Swed 2nd league, fa in summer.
    Strome in Swed 2nd league, skill at low levels just doesn’t seem to be there at higher levels. Fa in summer of 20.
    Laavainen started in Finn top league, sent down to 2nd league. Traded to another top league team, sent down again. Peeters in lower Finnish league.
    The development seems to have peaked on 1st 2 and stalled on latter 2 this season.

  18. Showed up for first 1o mins as Tab noted and different team after that.
    Collectively 12, 17, 19, 20 and 88 had 2takes and 10 gives with 2 hits and -10. Not placing blame but that needs to change if going to win. To be fair bottom lines weren’t on ice when NYR scored.

    If changes at top coming, no possible way Bowman stays and Colliton goes. If Bowman goes as Craig noted Colliton may get the new GM s evaluation on his future.
    Agree with trading some vets at deadline. Only problem i have is who replaces Saads role if he goes, maybe the answer is coming but not on roster now.

  19. The Hawks peak seemed to be the back to back wins against Dallas and Colorado on the road, followed by a second win over Colorado out in Denver. There were a few nice gritty wins at home against Central teams like Nashville, but all that appears to have dissolved.
    I think we are at a point where guys are now playing for contracts next year. The playoff contenders are fighting every tooth and nail for positioning and the Hawks are really tailing off in terms of structure on the ice. Translation, Hawks headed for a top 3 pick and the race to the bottom.

  20. On a positive note Toews 12 and 7; Strome 7 and 5 Anisimov 7 and 7 and Kampf 5 and 8 were good overall on fos.

    Delia had an amazing first few games, looking a little more human now. Hopefully he keeps his confidence and develops into a top goalie. The rest of this season should give an idea of where he settles out and may look as future there.

  21. It seemed like we had a good push, after losing 8 in a row, playing good in 11 of 15 games were we really deserved to win a few more in there then we did. We did start 6-2-1 in those 15 games. We also saw the difference it makes when having a normal PP instead of a peewee league PP.

    Strome being in the connection of the PP players was the ingredient that wasnt here before. So there is something there with that.

    The 2nd 40 games is a more normal sch. then the 1st 40 games and easier opp. So we had that 15 game run, where we deserved a better rec in it. Now we have our let up, just like the 0-6-2, after starting 6-2-2. Not sure we have another good 15 game stretch but It seems like we will.

    Usually theres around 6 teams that distance themselves from teams with records, like us last yr, so they cant get higher then 7th pick. We ve been in that group, record wise/were not a bottom 10 team, so we do have a chance at a top 6 pick.

    CHI 8
    LA 6
    OTT-COL 6
    PHI 5
    DET 5
    NWJ 4
    gap
    FLR 3

  22. Not disagree with yours craig just adding.

    Other then the 0-8 which the sch. magnified. We ve have done pretty good for not having a full roster, then the 0-6-2 (which every team has a bad stretch at some point)

    6-2-2 played good
    0-6-2 play shitty
    2-0-2 played good
    0-8 very hard and unrealistic sch
    11 of 15 games played good, playing mostly top 10 teams
    0-2 let up/out of energy, playing shit teams we do not care about

    I only see that 0-6-2 part as not good. Yet were in that group of 6 teams for a chance at the top picks. Blessing in disguise.

  23. Complaining that we didn’t sign James Neal or David Perron gives me a good laugh to start the day.

    I don’t think i have ever ragged on Toews but he was non-existent last night.

  24. Does anyone believe that Bowman could/will be fired this season? I honestly do not think this will happen. The Hawks have around a 4% chance of making the playoffs at this point, statistically the same as being eliminated. Why give Bowman the chance to make moves that shape the future of the team right now if he only has a 4% chance of seeing those moves to their fruition? If the Hawks were going to fire Bowman if he missed the playoffs they have ample justification to do so now. That they aren’t waiting indicates to me that no matter what happens Bowman is here through the start of next season at the least.

    Basically I think the Hawks believe that Bowman can right the ship and my guess is he has until next season to prove it. If the Hawks have not shown improvement next season, that is when the clock starts on Bowman. I think we are going to get to see at least one more offseason of Bowman…

  25. Bowman rebuild a contender? The same GM that drafted 4 smallish players in the two first rounds the last 2 years on defence? Mitchi, Joki, Boqi and Beaudi sound like the cast from Teletubbies! One will survive from the group but most probably none once SEABS and KEITH retire. Wow, if he keeps his job and JC as well, we will see Kane ask for a trade to BUFFALO in no time.
    Why would Bowman deserve to stay? Why did he trade for an undrated Cagg? Or acquire another Dman in KOOKOO from TAMPA? I thought he loved Forsling!!!!
    We need forwards and we do not have any in the farm system that are equal to a HOSSA, SHARP, PANARIN, TEUVO or DANAULT…What we have is a long list of busts on defence like Gilbert, Hillman, Krys, Carlsson, Dalhstrom, etc…
    Fire Bowman after trade deadline.

  26. @Hull65

    I get the reason to be frustrated as a fan and negative but you’ve lost all objectivity in your view with this response. To say out of Mitchell, Jokiharju, Boqvist, Beaudin that only 1 will survive is purely inaccurate. To call Dahlstrom (he’s play okay for a 3rd liner), and Carlsson and Krys who are still kids busts is over the top ignorance.

    To not understand the farm system with guys like Barratt or Kurashev is again ignorance; both guys are looking to be very solid and you’ll likely be singing Kurashev’s praises in a year or two when you see him play in a Hawks sweater.

    Here’s what you are forgetting in general in your comments. Hawks spent years at the bottom of the NHL and as a result had high draft picks (Keith, Seabs, Kane, Toews) and they didn’t spend money either. Those two things equated to ending up with a run of talent and money to spend to keep that talent. That brought this team and the fans 3 cups and 9 playoff appearances. As a result of all this success, the Hawks didn’t have ANY high draft picks to keep feeding the farm system, had to sign guys to big contracts to keep the core in place and pushed us against the cap, and we quickly wound up with the situation they are in now. THAT IS THE PRICE OF WINNING 3 CUPS AND A 9 YEAR PLAYOFF TEAM. Please understand that!

    Hawks are retooling on the fly now. The Caggs trade and Tampa trade were both good moves to get rid of useless players (Manning and Rutta) and free up cap in Manning. For Manning we got back Caggs…easily a great trade for the Hawks. For Rutta the trade was to move up in the draft getting back a 5th rounder. Has nothing to do with Koekk. The AZ trade was smart in moving Schmaltz…who was horrible this year and scared to get hit plus his agent was already asking for a big raise against the cap in the summer. We got back Strome who’s performing better then Schmaltz and Perlini both which are locked on ELC’s for another year…low cost low risk. Schmaltz now is out for the remainder of the year and will need $4M+ to sign in the summer which we will now use to get someone like Panarin or Stone…brilliant move by Bowman.

    Bowman has made some bad moves and i’m not a fan, but all the trades he’s made this season have been great so far. Even his worst enemies should be able to see that so first understand the situation over the years including the current situation and secondly, at least give credit when credit is due. Nothing worse then a sky is falling fan ranting and raving and not truly understanding the current situation and history.

  27. Miroslav agree and have said before my feeling is Bowman will not be fired after the season. The feeling i think is the team is primed to rebound and lets hope they have it right, alot of missing pieces making their way through system to Nhl this year and next, plus the ability to add through draft, fa or trades as they see fit as Eddie explained.

  28. Some people are happier when they’re miserable. And that’s OK. Things are pretty bleak for Hawks fans now so frustration and negativity is understandable.

    Other people (like me) tend to be more positive than is probably warranted. And that’s OK too. Thinking optimistically is a method of keeping negativity away.

    Psychological defense mechanisms – we all use them to some degree.

  29. Eddie you make a lot of good points and I agree with most of what you said. But I cringe when Bowman gets praised for making moves to correct clear mistakes he made. Yes, he moved Manning and Rutta which both were useless as you put it, for something we can maybe use. But he also signed both of those useless pieces to free agent contracts, it was his choice to do so. So as much as those recent moves were good, they came on the heels of terrible signings in the first place.

    My biggest concern now is if we sign a top UFA and draft a good player, and one of our current young dmen makes the team and makes an impact, that might not be near enough because what is setting in on this team is a clear and distinct lack of effort. It plagues them more often than any other team I watch. The Hawks still have some top notch players but as a team they just give up way too often and way to easily.

    I am not really sure how you fix that. This is the problem with ‘losing for Hughes.’ Young players get used to the bad habits that got you the crappy record to start with. What makes us think with a big free agent splash in the offseason that tendency is suddenly going to disappear?

  30. And maybe lack of effort is not the right way to put it, but they get all loosey goosey in the defensive zone and it is a summer fun camp in our slot for the other team.

    I saw a stat that showed on their recent unbeaten streak of 5 or 6 games or whatever it was, we still got outshot by around 8 shots per game. The fundamentals around the team still stink.

  31. Agree on Toews – maybe he’s nursing a minor injury but hr hasn’t been playing like he was most of the year in the last stretch – the play seems to end once he gets the puck and that one timer last in the game was no where near where it should have been – a good shot there ties the game

    He’s not forechecking – in fact he seems to be floating a lot

    I agree with whoever said that Stan won’t be fired this year – I think he’ll get a bit more rope to turn the ship around and if the Hawks land a really draft choice (maybe one who can play next year) and sign a couple of good UFAs (not like this summer’s dumpster dive) the ship may in fact start heading in the right direction

  32. Eddie it would be fantastic if Cagguila, Strome and Perlini are all mainstays on the roster for a few years. If one of them becomes a core type player i’ll consider that a success. Getting 3 players with potential to help in different roles , plus improved draft postion is good on Bowman, not a mistakes if you can flip cheap signings in a reload and do that plus avoid an ugly rfa signing sutuation.

  33. Re: Toews missing… Yes- I think that Hit he took in 1st period… put him in the Missing in action mode!!!

    the same dude crushed Kampf in 1st

    ouch!!!!!!

  34. Ian

    Cagg, Strome, Perlini… all better than what they had before, and way better than anything in Rock…

    wts- far cry from 3rd/4th line depth of cup years (strome- not included- cuz he gets benefit of skating with Kane)

  35. Ian, thats funny I was going to post you said that awhile ago after reading that.

    ER, thats the thing since the STL refs let every penalty go entie game then call two on us in 3rd period, after we battled back to tie and then earn to go on to win that game/and the NAS where even though it should have been 2-1 we still prob do not win that because that was the start of us not being fast enough/whole league got fast from then on… we needed to transition to younger faster.

    That everyone of us, admit it or not, has let out steam at some point and here and there since then. Even though we can see the nice light on the Cup at the end of the tunnel.
    I did it myself on news years day and some other times, at times. You can only hold it in so long, then release.

    Maybe not needed everytime someone post though.

  36. I donot think those were mistakes. They were tank ufas on purpose. Players coaches wont, how do you, do.

    Sure throwing games is not a good mindset, thats what the players and coaches are doing, on purpose.

    I would rather the GM and crew make more trades and mistakes by doing so, then not making any moves to get better/add to stack roster, then when certain players are mistakes or have served the purpose of tank ufas just take care of ‘these’ mistakes.
    No GM is going to not make mistakes, its the GM s that do those 2nd/3rd liners for 4-5m for 4-yrs in the way overpays. 6m or higher for elite FW or D is not an overpay, thats worthy.

  37. Its not one big free agency slash.

    Its one or two (next summer) and half the 18 dressed players will be different, when NHL ready, then we had last/this yr, in 2yrs.

  38. The D looks not good this yr, even more before Dals and Murf got back, same for Strome with PP.

    When we have half or more the D with the young elite blue chips, like NAS did, its an entirely different group.

    I am not banking on having the same player we have last/this yr to be on the 23man in 2yrs (and how ever many next yr).

  39. The Strome Trade may just be a bit of a negotiation tactic for DeBrincat as much as it is Strome’s next contract. (seeing as they seem to talk about how they are best friends as if they are a couple grade school kids-not a knock on them and probably a good thing for everyone)>
    When you factor in Schmaltz was going to ask for a big raise it’s hard to argue with the trade. I’ll be the first to point out Schmaltz was a league leader in takeaways. Strome has turned out okay; granted he’s playing with one of the top players in the league with Patrick Kane. How’s the faceooff compairson been between Strome and Schmaltz?

  40. Agree with you over thoughts on bad practice habits routines.

    I just believe more then half of the 23man in 2yrs will be different players and that half, other then some elite ufas, being entirely young fast and good players.

    As swarm of them.

  41. Didnt 8 play with 88 to.

    It reminds me of the yr, 2013, it was most likely 29 or 25 and everyone thought during the 55/60 game season we would keep 25, until the playoffs.

    Theres your, we have to save about 5-6m to 8 contract raise and trade 20 for anything we can get, during the first 10 games.

    You can always cut a tree down later, you cant put it back.

    29 or 25
    20 or 8

  42. Tony, given his hair-trigger temper, I suspect things haven’t gone well for Hoffmeister, but I must admit I miss reading his anger-fueled posts!

  43. Great posts from all. Adding to Eddie’s comments on Mitchell, Jokiharju, Boqvist, Beaudin, I think at least 3 of them will be wearing an Indianhead sweater in 1-2 seasons. He is correct that we have a lot of quality in our system.

    Eddie points out that the run on talent was the result of the Hawks’ success. Yes, they had low picks, but there were other factors as well:

    1. The Hawks traded their 1st round picks in 2015 and 2016 for rentals, as well as Danault for two rentals.

    2. A couple of misfires of 1st round picks: trading up to get Hayes, who they let walk, and McNeill.

    3. What turned out to be two 2nd rounders, for Timonen, which was the worst trade in Hawks’ history.

    All of this led to the cupboard getting bare in a hurry.

    Bowman is redeeming himself with some good trades and drafting the past few years while clearing cap. Shaw for what turned out to be DCat and Krys and impending UFA Darling for a 3rd rounder were excellent. I like what I see with Cagg and think he will stick on the 4th line. Will withhold judgement until what moves are made at the tdl, upcoming draft, and fa signings. Good decision-making would position the Hawks for a great future, beginning next season.

  44. Not saying Bowman and crew are perfect, he also did good at this.

    loaded up as much as possible after 2010 with picks and prospects for what we could. Then did not trade any picks and drafted away for yrs until we were deep in 13/14/15/16 only using a 4th in 2013, then I think by not using a 1st in 14 to get 2 Cups in the row, after using a 1st in 15 he automatically used another 1st in 16 just because we did not in 14 to try to get the 2 Cups in the row.

    Now same thing loading up on picks and prospects with as much as possible for what we can. While already starting to trade older half core/and others like 65/38 to get really good returns to go along with the building from draft. Next we should see some elite ufas come our way to replace 81 and 4 type quality players.

    Those kind of players do not grow on trees and cant always be drafted like 4 and are rushed like 81 was.

  45. Prospects: Chl
    Entwistle 1g 2a
    Boqvist 1a
    Hagel 1a mid 2nd
    Ryczek out upper body

    Ncaa
    Coughlin 1g 1a
    Maissie 1a
    Olofsson 2a mid 2nd
    Mitchell and Ess mid 2nd

    Ushl Hakkarainen mid 3rd

    Europe: Nordgren didn’t play must still have concussion symptoms.
    Galvas played over 27 mins in win

  46. Tonight: OTT wins 2nd straight, FLA wins, ARI gets a point. Helping the Hawks get a very high pick.

  47. @ Original 6Hawkey

    Your comment about the Timonen trade is off base:

    “3. What turned out to be two 2nd rounders, for Timonen, which was the worst trade in Hawks’ history.”

    Hardly. Two reasons:

    1. May 1967, Blackhawks trade future Hall of Famer Phil Esposito, Ken Hodge, Fred Stanfield to Boston for Pit Martin, Gilles Marotte, Jack Norris. Clear cut worst trade in Blackhawk history – Boston won two Stanley Cups and all three players played key roles. Blackhawks win no Stanley Cups, injury to insult get swept by Boston in ’70 playoffs and two of the three players received fizzle out.

    2. Timonen trade – Originally a 2nd round pick and a 4th round pick. 4th round pick escalated to a 2nd round pick based on Hawks success in playoffs.

    Blackhawks win the Stanley Cup. Repeat, they WIN THE STANLEY CUP. Timonen’s contributions were minimal but he was credited by those close to the team as being a big influence in the locker room and on Tervainen, whose contributions were more than minimal.

    You win the Stanley Cup, it is never “the worst trade in team history”. Not even close. Dismiss the positive influence of a highly respected veteran if you wish, but those who were in the locker room will tell you differently.

  48. I think ROW A has it right regarding the Timonen trade – it doesn’t ring true to me to label something “the worst ever” that was part of winning the Cup, regardless that Timonen didn’t contribute much of anything on the ice.

    It sounds like heresy to say it’s nice to see the Hawks at the bottom of the list of teams but we all know what that means – #31 out of 31 with 33 games remaining. With that many games remaining and a few other teams that are probably truly worse than the Hawks it’s going to be difficult to maintain the lead for the best of the worst – but at least on this day we can claim that dubious title.

  49. Row A, agree what Boston recieved in that trade helped them to 2 cups. Blackhawks got back Pit Martin whose line with D. Hull and Pappin along with Bill White led Blackhawks to 2 final appearances in early 70s. White was acquired for Marotte after 2 solid years with Blackhawks after P. Espo, Hodge and Stanfield trade. Jack Norris a goalie never played a Nhl game in Chicago made it really lopsided as the 6th player in that trade.

    Late prospect stats.
    Hagel 2a Chl
    Ess 2a Ncaa
    Mitchell game postponed

  50. Right on Row A. I think it’s time to stop harping about the things (trades, contracts) that happened during the 3 Cups-Worth IT or at least necessary, especially with the thinking ‘at the time’ in hockey circles. Judge the brass on the 17-18 seasons onward-

  51. @ Ian,

    Nitpicking here but Jack Norris did play a few games for the Blackhawks in the two immediate seasons after the trade, maybe 10 games total or so. He wasn’t a good goalie at all but actually saw him stop a penalty shot in a game at the Stadium, think it was against Toronto.

  52. I am going to judge on the yrs we have a full roster. In 2008 we did not and were waiting for those guys to get here. Then because of that 2009 and 2010 we did. Same thing for 2011 and 2012 we did not have full roster, played short handed with 6 ahl players in 2011. Then when next wave came we were deep for 2013/2014/2015/2016 and wernt bad in 2017-1 seed. Same thing again 2018 and 2019 we did not have full roster and I think 2020 will be like 2008 their coming. So I grade Organization based on 2020 or 2021 and on. Not on reloading yrs.

  53. I have trouble believing they needed to give not one but two second round pics for a player retiring who hadn’t played in a year and as I recall was still questionable as to returning it all…..and if returning for how long. Kimmo seems like a nice guy and all but jeeze that was a ton to give up.

  54. Row A right you are Norris did play 10 games for Blackhawks, thinking he was just in minors by memory.
    If you look at that trade misreading Phil Esposito’s potential despite B. Hull and others telling Ivan how good he could be. Bringing back Norris to try and fill void of Hall leaving before Tony O arrived made it a whitewash. Hodge for Marotte/White was good and Martin a good pickup but Stanfield being top 6 force for Bruins almost made a future hall of fame Espo a giveaway.

  55. @ Recliner

    Let’s look at the two picks Chicago traded to Philly for Timonen.

    2015 #61 overall. Philly traded the pick to Toronto who selected Jeremy Bracco, a RW who’s playing for the Toronto Marlies and doing very little.

    2016 #52 overall. Philly picks RW Wade Allison, who has played three years for Western Michigan Univ., has had injury problems and projects as a grinding wing. Not directly related but Blackhawks coincidentally picked Debrincat in that same 2016 round two.

    I would not define that as a ton to give up.

    It is fashionable to say Timonen was just a hood ornament so to speak but he had a positive impact in the locker room, helped Terevainen a lot, and Chicago won the Stanley Cup. That trade is actually one of the last I complain about.

  56. Onward is correct! See if we can trade AA for Simmonds and sign Panarin and one of the following Stone, Duchene or Skinner. Lehner for back up to Crow. If Crow can’t go then Lehner and Delia with Nalimov in the wings. It can be done. Pitt has 14 players making over 2 mil and 9 making under 1 mil. Our D with all our expectations should be able to take care of it’s self. Bonus would be if Seabs would want to go close to home and pay half to Vanc, Edm or Seattle.
    Enough with the negative. Who should be fired, who sucks, who did what years ago. I’ve been following before I bought my two 1988 $8 season tickets Sec R row 2 seats 5 & 6 at the Old Barn. Been through worse been through great and now it’s fun to get back to great again.

    Go Hawks!!

  57. JR-
    It would be nice (money aside) to get Panarin, Simmonds and say Stone but the chances are less than 0% if there such a thing. Total fantasy world. Getting one would be hard to do but not impossible.

  58. The reason we had to get Timonen was that after only 4 games, in which he played reasonably well, Q dumped Dahlbeck and that was it. Dahlbeck looked good at the time — it made no sense to me. And even though he didn’t last in the NHL I have no doubt that he could have filled those few, sheltered minutes as well as Timonen and without spending the picks. Of course, we would have had to send someone else to Yotes to get Vermette but that could have been anyone.

    The point however is that the blame on the Timonen deal should go largely to Q for his refusal to use Dahlbeck, rather than Stan (and I am still firmly in the sack Stan camp).

  59. Well we could get Bread Man and Stone. Not sure how we get Simmonds. We have around 20-21m, with trading 15 at deadline and Crow on ltir. Which would mean we draft Another Defensmen. OMS. Because we cant pay any more for FWs. It makes sense to get Bread Man back just like 20. Hes a Chicago guy.

  60. Simmonds takes AA’s money on a trade. If he doesn’t work out you just got rid of AA’s money for the next two years.

  61. Crow getting back, staying in shape for next yr. Crow/Delia.

    That means one of Bread Man or Stone/similar.

  62. The Hawks will likely head to the All Star break with the inside track for the number 1 pick and Jack Hughes. Of course if they lose the lottery, goodbye Hughes.
    Still a blue chip prospect in the top 4, likely a top pick in the second round.
    Edmonton, Toronto and contenders like Winnipeg, Vegas, Pittsburgh will likely use their First round pick as currency at this years trade deadline.

    Here’s a wild card. If Crawford can get healthy in the next month, might Stan approach him about possibly being traded to a contender in need of a goalie ?

  63. We could be looking at top pick, 20-30 pick from Dunks, 25-30 from Crow, top pick 2nd round, 45-60 for 15/maybe trade up with something and turn that into another 1st. Which would have us with top pick and 3 1sts and a 32-35 pick. Is that worth not having 2 and 50 going forward.

  64. Statistically speaking, only 33% of 1st round draft picks ever make the lineup for a full season in the NHL. Of course that percentage goes way down at the end of the 1st round. So while a total rebuild with draft picks is a nice thought, it’s risky at a minimum. Trading Keith, AA, Crow and Murphy for picks is smart only if they have little to no value to the team moving forward in the near future. This is why you see guys heading to UFA’s or RFA’s getting moved for draft picks. Typically guys on longer term deals aren’t being moved solely for picks.

  65. I don’t think the math works to get 2 or 3 of the top free agents but I don’t think the Hawks need to do that. If the Hawks get one of the top couple pick they would immediately fill a top-6 need. If they sign one of the top free agent forwards that fills another top-6 need. Depending on what you think of Saad – that’s either 5 top-6 guys (without Saad) or 6 top-6 guys (with Saad). If they can trade Anisimov maybe they can also land a second tier free agent forward like Dzingel.

  66. Sure. The more you have the more will make it though.

    I have been figuring we add top pick and Bread Man. We get more then that from trade deadline/draft thats even better.

  67. Of the Four Horsemen whos what. Boqvist is OFF and Mitchell id DEF. Buckaroo is 2WAY and what is Beau OFF. Then Murf is DEF. Dunks is 2WAY.

    So of those guys we have two of each breed.

  68. If Crow is healthy and agrees great place to send him is Toronto. East first choice. Columbus Carolina or Buffalo. West Edmonton Colorado Dallas Vanc would be the choices.

  69. I don’t see why a team would trade for Crawford. He missed half of last season with a concussion and he’s out again. It doesn’t matter how good he is if the team can’t rely on him to play and at this point he has proven he has concussion problems. Especially for $6M for another season after this one.

  70. Agree Crawford may still not be very close to returning . Even if he does, return be minimal this season, any value would be at next years deadline more than likely.

    A high end ufa and high draft pick if ready right away would definitely solidify top 6. With the prospects coming plus some development by current roster players, bottom 6 should be alot better.

    Finding the keepers big thing this season. Schmaltz wasn’t but maybe Strome will be. Cagguila, Kahun and Perlini may be too. Delia looking like a keeper so far, Murphy, Dahlstrom look like they’ll be back, Jokiharju showing his promise, Gus may be better moved. Others like Haydenn, Kampf and Sikura can be a part of the future yet. Some will likely be replaced on roster by rookies and may be more acqusitions yet.

  71. Mo, Mitchell probably only one of Boqvist, Beaudin and him that can play defence at an Nhl level yet.

    Like the idea of transititioning Keith to a shutdown pair with Murphy to make room for the 4 next year. If Gus not moved he would be around and maybe Carlson too. If needed Keith could still step up until development readies them and Dahlstrom can be competent with
    Murphy too. Definitely need young defense too develop though.

  72. Watch for Blackhawks to key in on Ryan Dzingel in free agency if he gets there. Versatile player who can handle center and wing (mgmt and coaching staff love those types) and can score a bit. Still fairly young and skates well.

    Like any free agent, he will likely cost more than a team wants to spend but Blackhawks do need some young veteran scoring depth. Plus Dzingel is from the Chicago area. Things can and do change but something to watch.

    Also do not be surprised if Saad is shopped heavy leading up to the deadline. Blackhawks not totally unhappy with him but they know he has value to a playoff team.

    Blackhawks also not thrilled with how things are in Rockford. Goal scoring has been practically zero, tons of frustration. Development staff has frequently been present to try to help keep a positive attitude within the group. Coach Derek King appears to be just a placeholder for this season only. Team has all but flat lined, will be interesting to see their effort tonight vs. Chicago Wolves. On free TV for those of you in Chicago.

  73. Yea looking down road a bit, with the four being in the 6 spots.

    You guys do not think TOR would have Crow just incase and go with two. They only have one shot at this, with the FW depth they have this yr.

  74. Mo Leafs going to need to shed cap after this season, so i doubt they want to add 6m for next year at deadline.

  75. Sure, though there best chance, and TAM to, is this yr. They both have 3 players to give big raises to.

  76. Eddie , Eddie, please who is frustrated. I am grateful that Tallon and Smith’s drafts built a champion. Apart from Toews and Kane, Seabs was a mid first round and Keith a second round pick. I guess you forget about BUFF, HAMMER, BICKELL, BOLLAND, etc…etc.. Crawford…Trades for Sharp and Ladd….on and on.
    I’ll give him praise for the Barker vs Leddy trade, but not the Leddy for that Finnish guy?
    All the trades he has ever made, he could have gotten something more in return, prospects, draft picks, players. If you hide behind the CAP excuse, well, I don’t buy it. The Pens have had a contending team for almost every year SID has played…How many star players do they have, the answer is many with good contracts. 3 CUPS, high salaries, superstars everywhere on the roster, drafting late ? Please, when a GM does not draft a goalie in the first 3 rounds for 10 years ( Tallon drafted Crawford) what do you say to that? When a team had Toews, Sharp, Bolland, Kruger, Shaw as centers and you draft in the first round Danault and McNeil, 2 centers? Why not draft a dman or a goalie that year, or a winger? Who had he drafted on defence since the HAMMER was drafted in the 4th round by TALLON (until the last 2 seasons, where he should have drafted a winger or two). How many stars do the CAPS have? To give Bowman praise for trades this year with Strome, Perlini, Cagg, and Koek, is very funny indeed. Schmaltz had 14 points in 17 games playing with who? Hawks were 6-2-2 before Coach Q moved him on the wing away from Kane. Strome is playing with who? And let’s not get into Dylan Turtle Strome. Schmaltz had 52 points last year!!!!!
    So, Bowman gets a pass for signing Bouma, Franson, Rutta, Kahun, Manning, Ward, and Kunitz(no trade clauses)? Did we need KOEK, I thought we drafted tons of Dmen the last two seasons that you love and will be stars in the NHL. I have nothing against those dmen he drafted but we did not need to draft 4 under 6 feet tall. We could have used 2 wingers and 2 dmen. And draft a goalie in the 2nd or 3rd round! Where was Carter Hart drafted Eddie? Please don’t get all hyped by Delia? Another Darling story that is!!!
    Bowman is the problem and I don’t trust him or his dumb staff (KELLEY, GAUTHIER) to draft well. Beaudin was not a 1st round pick yet he drafts him. He could have had a winger, a winger because you know the hyped 160 pound SIKURA will be out of the NHL for a long, long time. And to fire Q now when you could have had Barry Trotz well, shows you he has no clue. Pascal Vincent with the Manitoba Moose would have been a better choice.
    Oh who did we get for Teuvo? Danault and a 2nd round pick for Weise and Fleishmann?
    Jack Wise? 5’11” center who is slow. Evan Barrett will be a good 3rd or 4th line player. We have a lot of those who don’t score goals. We need goal scorers!!! Natural goal scorers not a bunch of Kahun type players.
    Cheers, enjoy the Bowman hype.
    Thanks Kane for playing hockey the right way!

  77. who are the four horseman people keep referring to? I mean….are we talking about four prospects here? guys who haven’t even played an NHL game? talk about getting your hopes up.

  78. Since we will be getting a combined 4 picks in the top 35 next draft, I suggest we contact Pittsburgh and send all those picks in exchange for Crosby and Malkin. Unfortunately for us, Pitt would feel guilty about getting such a great deal that they toss in Jake Guentzel, and naturally they pay all of his salary. Think about it – we can get 3 top 6 players, and with Pitt agreeing to retain half of Malkin and Crosby’s salaries for the duration of their time, we can still have enough money to trade Kunitz for JVR (Philly eats 3/4 of JVR salary). He can be on the 3rd line. Re-signing Panarin (giving us the home discount of $1.2m per year for 8 years) and adding Stone (he gets greedy and demand $1.3m per year) will help solidify a fair 3rd line. That should be a decent start to a team that could be competitive. Oh and bring back Q as we should have enough veterans for him to give a crap.

    As for the 4 Horsemen – I hope one doesn’t turn into a dog and the other remain a young kid, or we would only end up with a DOG and PONY show. But that wouldn’t be a problem anyway, cuz then we could trade our next 11 1st rounders to reacquire Keith to be our stud top pair Dman for the next 11 years. He is so good that we could actually just have an offensive player paired with him!!!

    And finally, we win 10 consecutive Stanley Cups, but lose the 11th only because of horrible officiating.

    Go Hawks!

  79. Prospects: Chl
    Gravel 23 of 24 saves win
    Beaudin 1a
    Hagel 2nd star

    Ushl Slavin 1a

    Ncaa
    Barrett 1g 1a
    Starrett 1g 1a
    Olofsson 1a

  80. Ejdsell 2g to help Icehogs win tonite. Just getting healthy and hopefully he starts playing the way that was hoped of him now.

  81. Penn State Barratt with a shorty. He has good vibe.
    That Michigan Motte guy we got other yr was a dud.

    Wont know until they get here, this Barratt and Kurachev looks good for 3/4th liners.

  82. Top 3 % pick and our chance of elite FW at draft.

    CHI 8
    LA 7
    OTT-COL 6
    DET 6
    NWJ 5
    PHI 4
    gap
    ARI 1
    FLR 1

  83. This Hull 65 guy sure brings the collective IQ down around here wow. Talk about a biased personal grudge.

    Rockford with a bounce back performance tonight, they stuck with it and win 3-2 in OT.

  84. Another interesting issue that will affect next years roster is performance bonuses. With Kahun 2.85 potential and Strome 2.475 potential and Jokiharju .425 potential next year of 5.75m on current roster. If cap goes to 83m, to be compliant 6.2m is the max potential 7.5% they can carry of cap ceiling. Only $450,000 potential bonus room left, meaning of current contracts Boqvist & Sikura $925,000 potential bonuses wouldn’t fit with those 3. Beaudin who has no performance bonuses just a signing one isn’t affected and most others in $132,000 range be ok to add 3 of them. With Barrett and Mitchell possibly signing what their performance bonuses are is big.

  85. Kahun 2.85
    Strome 2.475
    Jokiharju .425

    Can you list what/stats they for these guys, for this yr and next yr.

    They havnt been tearing it up, other then 17 on PP, so we might be ok. I mean it shouldnt matter too much this yr, since we prob to spend to cap, it will next yr though and we do not want any carry over for 21 and on. Thats when we need it. 17 prob becomes a 3m player. 24 not yet. 28 the first established Four Horsemen prob get to 4m at some point, the four of them might be at 4m at same time/kind of.

  86. You’re only allowed to carry 6.2m in potential bonuses on a 83m cap ceiling. Some will disappear but most b bonuses depend on your standing among leaders for goals, points , +- etc. Won’t go away. They likely account for about 3.4m of them. So may not gain alot during season. Assuming they won’t earn them doesn’t matter, whether its logical or not.

    See Jokiharju scratch today, hate to say it but looks suspiciously like they are building a case to send him down when Forsling returns and maybe avoid giving him hus 40 games to count a year towards ufa.

  87. Enough cap space to cover this season, Jokiharju bonuses kick in next and Arizona be responsible for some of Stromes.

  88. I like the experimentation JC is doing with the lineup because this season has long passed the point where winning each game is the primary objective. Moving pieces around for effect is exactly what the remainder of this season should be used for. Let’s see what Caggiula does playing with Toews and Kane, and Kahun with DCat and Strome, and so on. I do question why Joki isn’t playing though – that one’s kind of a head scratcher.

    I watched some of the Rockford game on TV yesterday and while it’s nice that they won (finally), no one stood out like they’re an NHL ready player – including Sikura who was knocked off the puck a bunch of times. A player weighing less than 170lbs needs to either be quick/elusive enough to avoid getting checked or strong enough on his skates/stick to win some of those physical battles and Sikura is neither. He better work on his game as a professional or he isn’t going to have an NHL career.

  89. Henri is scratched because:

    He is only 19 yrs old.

    He needs a breather, especially mentally.

    It is asking a lot for a 19 year old player to be at the top of his game in the best league in the world night in and night out.

    He may get healthy scratched vs. Islanders too. It gets him an extended break with this off week coming up.

    They are also trying to develop other players (KooKoo) + showcase Gus.

    For those who say play him, play him, always play him so he gets as much experience as possible, it’s not always the best way believe it or not.

    They won’t carry 8 D for much longer. They will send one of the waiver exempt guys down, either Henri or Forsling when Forsling is 100% healthy. Probably Henri.

  90. Usually we do not do good or play good in 1130 breakfast games over the yrs. Had a feeling we would play this game.

    After not playing against two bottom 10 teams right after playing good in 11 of 15 games most top 10 teams, we just arnt going to give that kind of effort/you cant 82 games when thats the way we have to win without a full roster. When we play though, we play. Caint wait to get our roster loaded again.

  91. We are, I think, and should be doing whats better for development and ‘practicing’ for next yr/and 2yrs so were ready and know some things already beforehand with every player. Keep it fun and build on things since were reloading anyways.

    Fun is beating PIT, shit on PIT, when we play them/they must be getting scared of us and mad they cant beat us. And playing good against top 10 teams and beating some of them and certain we hate. Who cares if we do not show up to play against bottom 10 teams, those are the teams we want to give pts to anyways.

    2021 and on baby!

  92. Delia- looks like a cross between Hasek and Tim Thomas-
    he can be really good but gets into really bad spots technique wise.

  93. Painful to watch Strome skate against the CAPS! And he is a non factor 5 on 5! Nothing! Very Weak o the puck.
    Nick Schmaltz…crazy.
    The Cat is a PP specialist, otherwise he would not cut it either 5 on 5. Too passive.

  94. And why is SAAD not with Strome and DeBrincat? Enough of Kahun. That line has no bite with those 3 together. Kahun is a 4th line player at best! Saad stuck with Kampf and Kruger, really????

  95. For those who like prospect talk. Keep an eye on Northeastern Defenseman Ryan Shea. I watched him play both games against U-Mass ( granted it was on TV) this weekend. He is a stud defensively. Plays 30 minutes a night, stops guys one-on-one, uses a long stick and makes tons of poke checks at the blue line to break up rushes.
    Also, good passer, pinches intelligently, pushes and shoves guys from the front of the net. He might have a future as a mobile, yet stay at home left side defender.

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