Gustav Forsling Out Until November

For those counting backwards using fingers and toes, 14 weeks from today is early November, meaning Forsling is missing training camp and potentially the first month of the regular season.

Forsling, 22, had 13 points in 41 games in the NHL last season with the Blackhawks. He has appeared in 79 regular season games for Chicago over the past two seasons. Forsling has one year remaining on his current contract with a $872,500 and will become a restricted free agent next summer.

132 thoughts on “Gustav Forsling Out Until November

  1. That’s disappointing. His play has been way too soft so far but if he could raise his compete level he still might pan out (although it’s getting late for him). Is this an off season injury or has the doc been at the lake?

    Somebody wrote on one of the other sites that with DK, Gus, and Manning we are loaded on the left side. LMAO…..loaded. With what?

    Maybe Hillman can surprise although more guys like that end up being Stantons than TVRs’.

  2. Jordy, agree lol “loaded.” I have news for you, Gus, Manning & Rutta cap hit this year $5.75M. Arguably, that is an utter waste of cap hit; those three guys are closer on the ledger to sucking than being solid, reliable D-men. Remember, that’s what Q likes on the back end, reliability. He had a reliable Kempny (@$2.5M cap hit now) that has proven himself on the big stage. (By the way, the media still hasn’t asked Q about Kempny…).

    The $5.75M and Ward’s $3M could have been far better spent.

  3. That’s a shame, Forsling is at the point where he needs to start separating himself from some of the other prospects in a crowded group. A good camp and preseason could have landed him on the big club. Now he’ll likely start in RFD and need to work himself back to Chicago. I just commented early how now might be his time to shine. I wish him well hopefully he comes back strong.

  4. It’s a shame was hopeful for a full 82 game or around there look at him. But hopefully around Jan he’s back up with the hawks.

  5. I would bet on Gus to have a good year. Prepared to eat my words but I think there is something there.

  6. I think it’s way too early to give up on Forsling becoming a solid NHL d-man. He’s shown he has the ability but not yet the consistency. Also he needs to not let the physical play affect his mental process. I’m still very hopeful that he will be a very good d-man for the Hawks. Hopefully this surgery and time off the ice doesn’t set him back too much.

  7. @Iceman. Couldn’t agree more. Been my biggest bitch of SB. That plays Santa and ties are hands ! He’s absolutely terrible at contracts and handling the cap. And in so many cases prefers to wait till studs Saad and Panarin contracts were up instead of signing m before they ran out and had to pay more. They both could of got extensions rookie years before they became high priced. . I wouldn’t let SB manage cash at a lemonade stand ! The worse

  8. One of the thing Bowman is really good at, is not overpaying/or way overpaying and yrs length for ufas.

  9. @Slammer: a lot of guys forget that SB was in talks with Bickell for a re-up during the 2013 regular season (i.e. before the playoff run). Based on what he’d done to that point he would have gotten maybe $2-2.25 per season and probably been happy with it (he was only making $550k or so at the time). That’s another one that Stan missed the boat on.

  10. If this season doesn’t go well, please be advised as follows next summer (or I should say spring):

    McDonough: “Ladies & Gentleman, I am proud to announce the new General Manager of the Chicago Blackhawks, lifelong — ooops, minus two decades in Detroit, I was close give or take 20 years — Chicagoan Chris Chelios.”

    (Applause).

    Chelios: “Thank you John, and Wirtz Family. I’ll be making trades while on the beach in Malibu this summer. Also, I’ll be working out as well, I see our D sucks and I’m gonna give it a shot to be the 7th D man. There was a good D man here a couple of years ago, I forgot his name, he had really nice hair and won the Stanley Cup. Too bad the former head coach had it in for him. Ok, let’s get this over with quickly, I have to hit my restaurant soon and see what’s up.”

  11. Really tired about hearing about the Bickell contract. I’m a big Bickell fan; even in 2015 he was laying out some big hits against the Ducks while suffering from MS. Had Bickell not come down with MS there was a great chance he would have more than earned his contract.

  12. Yikes, my new issue of the Hockey News arrived yesterday. Tough to stomach really.
    Las Vegas and Winnipeg appear to be peaking. Nashville is still really good. St. Louis loaded up. Calgary has improved and our beloved Hawks ? Trending downward and they declared in their words what the rest of league already knows the Hawks mini dynasty is over. It’s only August 1st but tough to be optimistic.

    Add to that Stan really does not have many pieces to trade. Everybody likely wants Schmaltz, deBrincat, Saad as has been documented.

    Hence we wait for the prospects to marinate and hope to catch lightning in a bottle with somebody like Kahun or Ejdsell.

  13. Sure that’s where we are at, when others are peaking and were in transition. Good thing about transition is we are going to get back and be one of those teams. Just tuff right now, especially with not knowing how Crow will be long term. Young guys getting better is exciting because that’s all we need (and Crow) to get back.

    During the 82 games there will be good times with that. Until then its tuff to realiz where were going, when were stuck we are right now.

    Like Prefontaine said, not in 2 yrs from now.

  14. Using Bickell contract is stooping pretty low. Everybody aware of went down there.
    Q made comment that Saad could be with Kane and Schmaltz to start the year. If no one acquired, assuming Toews and Debrincat are together, maybe Anisimov at start of season to keep spot warm until somebody steps up for it. Showcase him a little bit for trade, as a 2way versatile forward who can play all positions, be a big special teams guy with offensive punch. He played alot with both so may fit in good, for awhile.
    Kunitz will be playing alot of pk mins so at 38 yrs. not likely be effective playing big top 6 mins. He may be better served giving a couple of Sikura, Kahun or Ejdsell a needed presence on a wing on a bottom 6 line.
    Then let Kruger, Kampf, Hayden, Highmore or someone else may earn a spot to round out forwards.

  15. I wouldn’t be surprised to see 3 teams make playoffs from the hardest division in Hockey. Due to the harder sch. CAL and expansion team do good, that could happen. Its not long before MIN/ANA/LA go down as they have no one coming/slower bigger kind of teams. Right now those teams are better then us, that will change during the next 2 seasons.

  16. This just in: Hawks slogan for 2018-19 changed from “ONE GOAL” to “LOSE FOR HUGHES!”

  17. 2020 might have just as much potential-Lafreniere will be exceptional (much tougher to come up with a catchy slogan.) Let the wordsmiths begin.

  18. Once again, as has been documented repeatedly…Some of those deals came from Mcdonough. McD gave Bowman a mandate to sign Bickell. I have no doubt something similar went on with Seabrook.

    “My negotiation with Chicago was not between Dale and my agent [Allan Walsh], it was between Dale and McDonough,”

    -Martin Havlat

  19. It’s a shame about Forsling – I too am hopeful he still puts it together consistently

    Remember how good he looked at the start of last year

    The competition for top 6 D now seems to come down to Rutta or Gus with the other as 7th D

  20. Hes not going to miss that much time.
    It could be good for someone else, timing wise. Lets use it to advantage.
    Buckeru or Hillman, see if there ready/for more then 10games elc slide?
    Hes still young enough, has time.

  21. He has upside but I wonder with Coach Q’s patience if he is better off with another organization.
    Waiting for Kahun and Ejdsell to strike lightning in a bottle is unrealistic. These two players are AHL at best.
    We need to package Rutta, Anisimov and Ejdsell for a top left winger.

  22. Maybe Kahun and Ejdsell can join, never be more than AHL journeymen Hartman and Hino, or the sideshow Debrincat and to weak and slow Schmaltz as the next pair of rookie busts in recent years. Also can’t forget the small soft russian Panarin in that group.

  23. Well said Ian – and don’t forget Saad of whom many said in his rookie year he wouldn’t/shouldn’t be on the NHL roster

    Let’s just see how it plays out – some of these guys might be like Pirri or Morin others may be like any of the above that Ian mentioned

  24. looks like the Blackhawks are in a position to take on another team’s salary for a year or two. Maybe grab some “dead weight” along with a prospect/ draft pick to better the future. any team after Karlsson may need to shed some salary

    Here is a really dumb idea that just may work; Ladd has a modified No Trade Clause starting in 2020, would like to see the details on what that is. If the Blackhawks are willing to part with Anisimov and Ladd is willing to come back; if the Islanders are willing to toss in a sweet enough draft pick(s)/prospect(s) then what do you think?

    …again with the long term plan of trading Ladd in a couple years 2020 is when the modified NTC kicks in and the Blackhawks may very well have to package something with Ladd then to move him. Or will the Blackhawks have an option to buy him out then? Either way Islanders would need to package a deal for the
    Blackhawks to help make that happen both now and down the line.

    So with the fact Anisimov is probably a better player than Ladd and throughout the course of the remainder of both contracts along with the fact the Blackhawks will have to move off Ladd eventually the Islanders would have to put together something pretty nice to get this done; maybe the blackhawks can toss in a pick of thier own and go after a really good pick/prospect. Didn’t islanders toss away thier first rounder this year to calgary? Sounds like a good team to swap with.

    Thoughts on this crazy idea that will never happen?

    Anyone have any ideas what other players the Blackhawks could target to help eat a teams salary and/or cap space, possibly just for the short term? Ideally grab a prospect/draft pick in the process ….Blackhawks finally in a position with the roles reversed.

  25. Not sure, keeping 15 until we know where Bread Man sign next summer. Bread Man signs elsewhere then you could do a good hockey trade.

    Theres no need with all the extra cap space. Better to pay off bonuses and cover any from this yr and use the rest of banked space to add at deadline/a player that’s here for more then 3mths. Do we have any Hartman/Wingels/Kempny players this yr that will get worth while return, no.

    This season, even though I think we can make playoffs with Crow, is the true definition of a transition yr. Last yr, was the true definition of tank in disguise, because Crow only played 20 games.

    Next yr roster could be determined by Bread Man, by what we do roster wise.
    No matter what the young guys are coming and they are all fast.
    Season 2020 is looking like the first yr were deep.

  26. Its important the a bunch of younger guys take next steps where ever their at. The core guys will play way better then last yr. They need to support the young guys, so they can gain.
    Its weird to think/know were not a top team this yr or last. Its like 2011 and 12, we are a top 5 team with no depth. We need that full roster to be back Cup contender.

    Parity made the bottom 10 and midtier teams better. Salary cap waterdowned the top 10 teams. I do not think its parity, its the salary cap wateringdown the top10, while the bottom 10 and some midtiers getting more young fast players.
    That’s what we need that wave of fast players, like all these other teams got, when we were winning Cup after Cup and picking 27-30th.

  27. Two players we do not need are Bread man and an older unresponsive ,over paid Ladd . . Please stop bringing up these half baked trips down memory lane .

    What we really need to do is upgrade our old , slow fragile ,unproven ,thrown together D .
    Stan is seriously letting us down if this is the D group hitting the ice in October .
    Flounder on Stan !!!,.,.,ya know what watered down our team ? Bad signings ,bad contracts , bad trades , bad throw aways ,under performing leaders and our coaching and management staff .

    Not Parity ,and not a hard cap .

  28. So much for Skinner. Carolina gets Pu… a 2nd 3rd & 6th. Best move would be to get Stralman from Tampa so they can get Karlsson. Take Johnson or Miller too.

  29. Veersteeg is a free agent, he is very close friends with Ladd, package deal back to the Hawks. Brouwer was released today, sign him up as well.

    Just joshing around, but any of the three would be an improvement to Kruger. Speaking of, I happen to agree with Bowman, Luke Johnson fits nicely 4th line center.

  30. Even if those players are better all around players then Krugs and will get more pts, can they play against the other teams top line and shit them down.

    That’s the only thing that matters. Krugs is a lock at 50% faceoffs.

  31. W0w. Carolina got worse. Makes me wonder what the price will be for Justin Faulk as training camp approaches. Keep checking Stan, maybe Waddell will give in to a low-ball offer.

  32. Wow, Sabres pull off a steal getting Skinner for picks and a 3rd round prospect? No roster players or a 1st rounder? Where is Stan Bowman? He would have fit in nicely with the HAWKS. Sabres will go after Kane very very soon! Or Kane will go after his hometown team very very soon!

    I guess we have Kunitz?

  33. I watched a little bit of the Sweden/USA today and all of the Canada/Finland game tonight. Boqvist (#3) played for the Swedes and Beaudin (#3) and Mitchell (#4) for Canada. All three guys played OK but nothing noteworthy. Barrett didn’t play in the split squad game today. Hopefully they make the final cut and get more time to show what they can do.

  34. Yeah, that didn’t seem like much to pay for Skinner, but keep in mind that Skinner is UFA after this season so maybe Carolina didn’t get taken to the cleaners as bad as it first looked.

  35. Skinner supposedly is all offense, no back check plus he really wants to be a UFA. Buffalo gets him for one year. Meh.

    Stan needs one more year of selling. This year. By the looks of it, they are going to bite the bullet and merely shoot for 8th in the conference. The lack of urgency is obvious from McDonough to Stan to Q.

    Ruuta, Kunitz, Martinsen, Kruger and perhaps Anisimov and Crawford will all be gone by June 30th of 2019 and then I think Stan will pull a Doug Armstrong and go for it in free agency.

  36. If Crows fine why trade him. Who is going to goalie, not someone like Rinne.
    Going with a few good ufas, Bread Man and others, wont stop the young guys from coming/playing and are for free asset wise. It makes sense to do it that way. Getting roster to full and reloading through draft, not half assed, and doing both.

    Craig, I would expect everyone of those/except Crow, and others to be gone to fill roster with good ufas and young guy wave.

    I am rooting for Crow to be full recovery. If not, then I guess we would have to.

  37. Morrison. If Crow is not healthy this season that is roughly two years in a row in which a 6 Million Dollar goalie was not a 6 Million dollar goalie. No chance they depend on him in 2019-20. Bury that cap hit elsewhere, next summer.

  38. Craig even with that scenario played out by they time they signed rfas and filled out roster, with a 4m bump to cap and no bonuses. That would leave roughly 7 to 9m for 2 skaters or and key word is “if ” on Crawford until we see how it plays out, that would leave about 13 to 15m for a starting goalie and 2 skaters if Crawford moved or ltir. To go all in some of the other big contracts have to move too.
    Thats with a number of elc types to fill out roster.

  39. Yea we have to consider that happening. I am thinking longterm, for the Cup, and who could be good enough at goalie. Crow heals/gets back, theres no guarantee hes stays/not knocked into again. 2yrs without, were ok. Its the 2020 and on season when were deep we need to know by then. Last this yr who cares, per say, we would have to get lucky like PIT or crazy bounces/and have fast team like Vegas to.

    I like reloaded with draft/young guys-that are good and add ufas for free and a little trade to complete roster. need a goalie back there though.

  40. If you look 3 or 4yrs down the road the picture diesn’t look too bad.
    Start in goal if Gravel who is considered a good prospect or Peeters who is still young have potential to develop into very good goaltenders. Lankinen could be a diamond in the rough, not deep by any means but time will tell. There are still 3 or 4 more drafts and free agent seasons before then.
    On defense there potentially is Boqvist/Beaudin Jokiharju/Forsling Mitchell/Krys and Keith could still be a factor but hard to imagine Seabrook is. Carlsson also could be in mix for top 4 pairings. For bigger shutdown pair Murphy/Hillman look like a good pairing with Manning if he works out, Tuulola and Gilbert in picture. I think this paints a pretty decent blueline picture even if some see it as doom and gloom.
    For forward lines:
    Saad/Schmatz/Kane for atop line
    Debrincat/Shalumov/Entwisle
    Sikura/Wise/Ejdsell, Kahun, Kayumov
    If Toews offensive game not top 6 anymore he can still be a premiere shutdown/faceoff guy at centre, with wingers like Soderlund, Altybarmakan, Hayden, Barrett, Kampf could be available. Not a complete picture but glimpse to see where lacking.
    With 3 or 4 years of drafting, trading and signing free agents things could be pretty good by then if not before, with todays young stars in their prime a sprinkling of current core left still contributing and some good talent added the right way and at right time.

  41. Projecting a guy like Entwistle as a top 6 player 3 years from now is silly. His numbers mimic Graham Knott’s. 9 points in 75 AHL games Graham Knott.

  42. Ernie agree basically thats why the comment of where lacking and drafts, FAs and trades.
    Since then Scott Powers has said Panarin be interested in resigning with Blackhawks next summer. Right there he would go with Kane and Saad be a winger in Entwistles place. Some of other wingers mentioned may step up or a draft choice does by then also.

  43. I didn’t read anything in the Powers article that Panarin “wants to come back”. What was newsworthy in that article (if true) is that he hasn’t eliminated the Hawks from consideration. I don’t think it’s anything more than that and it may just be he wants to keep all options open to drive up the cost in a bidding war.

  44. To restate what I’ve stated numerous times regarding reacquiring Panarin – wait until next summer when he’s a UFA. Why give up assets to acquire him now or in the 2018/19 season when (1) the Hawks aren’t a legit contender even with Panarin, and (2) Panarin could still choose to go UFA next summer which would mean they paid assets for essentially 1 inconsequential season.

  45. only way Hawks can afford to sign 72…

    one or more of Big contracts are moved first…

    Seabs- no one dumb enough
    Toews– don’t see any takers
    Crow- (can’t come back)
    Kane– (defeats the purpose)

    so slim chance… not impossible… cuz the crow thing… I guess SB could always move Saad – again too

  46. Very easy to have Panarins caphit.
    Everybody stays that were keeping anyways.

    Just think 81 and 15 caphits are equal to what 72 caphit will be.
    5.3 and 4.5 is 9.8
    Done deal.

  47. Yeah, Panarin comes back as a ufa.
    There might be free buyouts for cba yr/expansion drafts ideas.

    We do not have to trade a core player to add 72. 15 would make it work or other ways.

  48. Theres a reason why were not spending the cap space now, last yr, banking during season. Were going to pounce once we get closer/young guys are ready.

  49. Mo may be 21-22 season before cba is negotiated.
    This year is to see who tbe keepers are on the roster and build around them. Wall may not have to move one of those contracts but more of a sacrifice than AA likely. Either not resigning younger stars or moving Saad or Murphy with him instead.

  50. Why try to stay decent at best when it essentially gets you nowhere long term?

    They’re not going anywhere deep the next few years, even with Panarin. Too many holes.

    Time to bite the bullet and rebuild.

  51. Indulge me …

    Crawford doesn’t return 10 100% until half way through the season and even then is worked back in slowly … consequently the Hawks end up with the 4th worse record in the league.

    At the draft the Hawks win the lottery and select Jack Hughes #1. Then they offload Anisimov’s salary by trading him and the Hawks 2019 2nd round pick for someone’s 2019 3rd round pick.

    On July 1, the Hawks sign Panarin and Shalunov.

    2019/20 lineup:

    Panarin-Hughes-Kane
    Saad-Toews-Shalunov
    DeBrincat-Schmaltz-Sikura
    Ejdsell-Kahun-Hayden

    Yeah … that works for me.

    Thanks for indulging me.

  52. Morrison, I think the Hawks really want Panerin back. Even people inside the organization are hinting at it. No doubt Panerin’s agent has been told this. Hence the reason there is no urgency to trade assets for Skinner and Pacioretty.

    In addition ER, the Shalunov angle is legitimate. If the Hawks sign Panerin, bring over Shalunov and sign a top 4 defenseman next summer, that is a home run.

    I’ve been told that next offseason is what the organization is looking forward to. I have posted this before on here.

    The same person who told me this, told me on June 30 of this year that the Hawks would sign 1 defenseman, 1 forward, 1 goalie on July 1 then wait to see what the rest of the summer flushes out.

  53. I am not trying to disagree/argue with anyone.
    I just do not see how its not as simple as 81 and 15 caphits, or similar type thing.
    The caphits are the same then.
    Were going with lots of elc s and the new core.

    Were a deeper roster with Panarin and the wave of young guys core, then without 72.

    Found two thousand ways not make a light bulb.
    We only need one way to make it work.

  54. ER, if Crow plays 2nd 40 and only plays 20 instead of normal 30 for 40 games, then we could be in the top10. Another good prospect would be better then 19-22nd pick. I got a weird feeling were picking 19-22nd this draft, with Crow or not. No matter what nothing changes the plan for what were doing with cap space last yr/deadline/this summer/this season/this deadline?/next summer we pounce.

  55. Yeah Mo – I mean who’s to say? Who saw Vegas doing what they did? Even the best prognosticators “guess”. It is, as they say, why they play the games.

    My gut tells me the Hawks as presently constituted are not a playoff team and even less so if Crawford isn’t healthy enough to play 55-60 games. As such I see them in the draft lottery with the only question being positioning and the odds to win the Jack Hughes derby. The “indulgent post” (above) is more pipe dream than probable reality but it is a possible reality albeit remote.

    My definition of a successful 2018/19 season are that some players have a rebound season and some young players become legit NHL players.

  56. Mo the thing is Schmaltz is due a contract probably in the 5.5 to 6.5m range, plus there is Sikura, Kampf , Ejdsell and possibly Forsling or Hillman due raises. How much that will cost depends on this season results mostly. Then Debrincat and a few others in a years time. If Crawford is good to go he plays if not it is likely ltir. Unless there is a plan to replace him cheaper maybe a 35+ deal for Ward, Rinne or Howard or smooth it over with Nalimov or even both. How much quality is there though, replacing him for less of a hit will be tough. So your cap room has built in needs as well, making signing big name FAs with just 81 and 15 hit plus a bump in capceiling hard to do without other moves.

  57. Another point to consider is Panarin will be 28 at start of next season and to sign him likely means a 9 or 10m caphit on a 6 or 7 year deal. How long will he be productive on a deal that expires when he could be almost 35.

  58. I know 8 is going to be really good. Is he that good for a bridge or is he skipping the bridge. That’s what 19/88/72/20/others got after elc, I know different yrs.

  59. Sure. 81and15 would cover 72. You have 8 and smaller amounts. Cap goes up a normal amount each yr, maybe one more big jump with expansion team. I like getting into more yrs from now/when we trade 7 contract/closer to his contract yrs. Its not that easy, just 81/15, it can be done without trading core guy other then 7 which by then the Four Horsemen might be ready and hopefully they all are good.

  60. Ian, that is always a concern with small quick players like. Kane and Panarin. If they lose a step or two in later years their bodies take a heavier pounding.

  61. It sure is looking like Stan outsmarted Kekalainen. When the Hawks reacquired Saad, one of the reasons Stan mentioned was, Saad was under contract for 4 years, while Panerin would be UFA in two. If somehow Stan is able to get Breadman back as a UFA and Saad returns to being a reliable 50 point player, this might be Stan’s best poker playing yet. We shall see.

  62. Scott Powers is saying Panarin coming back is a thing. I think the best way for this to happen is in FA. If the Hawks can move Ansimnov and possibly another player they should be to make a serious run a Panarin. Of course if that happens it will depend on Panarin. Even if the BJ trade him he will still need to sign a new contract. The question is will he sign with a new club or choose to go to free agency. Last point I’m glad Columbus is being shit on, the team has been around for 18 yrs and never won a playoff round. That’s a joke. Vegas made it to the finals in their 1st year.

  63. Next has a chance to be a thing in Free Agency if neither Panarin or Tyler Seguin resign. The Hawks sitting on their money is the smart move moving some other contracts might also be worthwhile.

  64. Mo if look around at what similar players are getting Ehlers for the Jets or Drouin in Montreal that be ballpark for Schmaltz. Be interesting to see what Red Wings end up giving Larkin. Not saying i am against getting Panarin at all, it’s just that it could be be careful.what you wish for, you might get it type of situation. Especially if his production drops off and cap crunch causes young players not signed to be the cost.

  65. Looking at current Cap situation – the Hawks have about $5.5M with a 22 man roster. However Capfriendly has a couple guys (placeholders) making $650K on the roster that will be be replaced with guys making more like $900K – so let’s use $5M as our starting point.

    A variable will be guys who may earn ELC bonuses (Schmaltz/DeBrincat/Sikura) which will cut into the $5M cap space. So let’s total bonus payouts will be $2M. That leaves usable cap space of $3M going into the next off season.

    Players who will come off the books: Kruger ($2.7M), Kunitz ($1M), Rutta ($2.3M), Ward ($3M) for a total of $9M. Those 3 roster spots will need to be replaced so let’s assume they will be replaced with ELC players or cheap vets who average $1M which reduces the $9M down to $5M net gain from players leaving/replaced.

    Add the $3M left over from the 2018/19 cap to the $5M from the net of players leaving/replaced and the new usable cap space is $8M.

    Let’s assume the Cap goes up $2.5M (up from $79.5M to $82M) – so that makes the new usable cap space $10.5M.

    Now let’s factor in raises: Schmaltz (+$5M), Sikura (+$1M) and a couple others (+$1M) – that reduces the usable Cap space down to $3.5M.

    What about trading other players to get more usable Cap space: Anisimov ($4.5M), Murphy ($3.8M), Manning ($2.2M), Gustafsson ($1.2M), keeping in mind that you don’t get 100% back to use because the traded player will be replaced on the roster and the replacement player will probably have a cap hit of around $1M. So even if Stan could trade all for of those guys and not take salary back (4.5+3.8+2.2+1.2=11.7), the net would only be $11.7M – $4M = $7.7M. Add the $7.7M to the $3.5M usable Cap space and you have a new usable Cap space of $11.2M

    In other words, Stan would have to trade Anisimov, Murphy, Manning, and Gustafsson AND take back little or no salary to be able to sign Panarin ($9M?) and then he would be locked in Salary Cap hell again the following summer when DeBrincat needs a raise.

    Is it possible? Yes. Is it probable? NO!

  66. ER, one festering issue is if the Hawks continue to pay a goalie $6 Million, not to perform. They already bought a $3 Million insurance policy. If Crawford does not recover from what is ailing him, I doubt Stan would be willing to carry that cap hit in 2019-20.

  67. EB true and have to be sure about filling backup goalie spot with 2m less of a caphit will be doable or other rfas won’t command bigger increases. Be right back to days of being restricted to fill out roster with 1m or less cap hit players hoping they can carry your bottom half of roster to be under cap.

  68. I tend to lean towards bigger and physical players, 7/29/others wear down more then guys like 2/88/others over the yrs.

    Ian, sure. The thought of the Four Horsemen coming and being good players/hope they all are. Were in the need for top line FWs not D. Sure we can add a 2nd pair D ufa/trade as we go along. If were not adding a top pair D, then I want a top line FW to with the core we have/for going forward.

    Maybe 5 doesn’t end up being a really good 2nd pair D and most if that caphit covers 8.

    We need 4 D for the next period of deep yrs. Who knows now, the Four Hosremen could be those 4 and Dunks/whoever as 3rd pair. You know what I mean.

    I would say its worth it, to sign a elite player ufa to 6yrs, even if their not as good from 31-4. Having that top line FW or top pair D is the difference maker to win Cup, with the trickle down-The Lather Effect.

    ER, prob be some moves along the way that clear space and make us better with up/coming young guys. 81 was going to happen at some point, no matter what people thought. Same for 7 contract, even if its not as sweet of deal we got in 81 contract trade.

  69. Safe thinking cap goes up 2.5, every yr like you said, and 5 on expansion team yr. We get ahead on the past/each yrs players bonuses that’s a 3m player right there.

  70. If Seabrook can be moved in 2 years and you get some rfa bridge salary room for say a Debrincat. Likely you have to eat salary to do it, and could opportunity with expansion draft, that would make things alot easier. Problem is at that point your dealing from weaker position if you have to do it to keep roster intact.Stop 6 of 72, 19, 88 and 20, 8, 12 looks good. But a solidifying between the pipes is coming sometime in next couple years regardless of Crawfords health.

  71. I like the idea of using, whats needed, to cover past and this yr players bonuses with the extra space we have. Maybe also hoark a player from a team that has more then the limit/wants Killer Karleson.

  72. Craig, yeah, well see, I thought that to wks/mth ago or something. That might have been the plan along. I knew we could retool and rebuild young core through the draft. Pay our dues at once, no shortcuts.

    We just need another gem. Drafting Saader was one and getting Panarin initially was another. We essentially got 2of3 for free by being creative.

  73. If you subscribe to the Athletic Powers has a 2019-2010 Blackhawks roster with an $82 mil cap that includes Panarin at $9, Schmaltz ay $6, Sikura ay $1.5, Edjsell at $1.2, still CC in net with Dellia as back up and still with AA (only 12 forwards though)

    No big changes on D, Seabs, Murphy Forsling and Joki all there

    This doesn’t prove anything other than it’s doable to bring back Bread as a UFA

    If we traded AA we could fill his spot and add 2 more forwards to make a full 23 man roster

  74. To say Stan out smarted K in Columbus is crazy! Panarin got the Bluejackets in the playoffs. We are still stuck with a huge contract will AA who is being paid way to much for a 3rd line centre who along with Kane and Panarin chalked up 44 points?

    Players like SIKURA do not have much weight in a trade. He is a 6th round pick who barely weighs 160 pounds and is 23 years old??? If we can throw him in an trade along with AA for a prospect winger, maybe to Ottawa for Dzingel and another player?

  75. Wraparound that is doable but predicting that Delia can be a bargain basement backup after this season and what rfas other than Schmatz could command without seeing what their contributions are next season is sketchy at best. Plus is addressing signing and keeping other young beyond next season discussed.

  76. What it comes down to, is we can do it. Theres several ways to make it happen and keep everyone we want to/for future. Just a matter of which way and details. I really like that we can make it work and its mainely because we payed our dues this last yr and half, pay off bonuses this yr and get ahead.

    Pounce next summer and the young guys are coming. Crow get healthy baby. We need you.

  77. What I’ve seen – about 1/2 period and some highlights – of Canada/US junior game Mitchell looks good

    Entwhistle also has a goal but a real fluky deflection from the blue line

  78. I hear ya Ian but Sikura and Edjsell at 1.5 and 1.2 respectively seems realistic

    No he doesn’t get in to how to pay Dcat for instance but if Boquist is ready or even Forsling Murphy could be traded for instance

  79. All things being equal… And in reality, they are about as equal as you can get. Would you rather have Seguin or Panarin. Panarin is a couple months older. Seguin is a center with a 54.9 faceoff %. If schmaltz is still around 40% and you can get Seguin for 8ish. Sold.

  80. That’s tuff because everybody loves Bread Man. 55 faceoffs and a little better caphit/forget caphit, that’s tuff. Good that we do not have to rely on only one option.

  81. Ernie Seguin be great too, but with Spezzas 7.9m hit coming off next year and no big cost rfas, be real surprised if Stars don’t lock him up.
    Wrap those seem reasonable hits now but my point being if anything changes with rfas or Crawfords backup costs, odds are its going to cost more not less. Being on the cusp there isn’t any wiggle room and your into firesale mode again. Bowman seems to be in let the prospects develop mode, not sure he wants to go quick fix mode unless moving some big caphit pieces is part of the plan.

  82. Yeah i guess time will tell on Seguin. Agree he could help but when you consider Mcdavid and Mackinnon are in the same ballpark as Schmaltz on faceoffs and Toews still a elite faceoff guy, can wait for him to get that part of his game up to snuff.

  83. Of all the defenceman in the World Junior pre-tournament, with Dahlin not playing,
    QUINN HUGHES is in a league of his own. Boqvist shys away from any contact and is horrible is defending one on one. Hughes skating and grit is amazing for his size. Controls the game everytime he is on the ice, sublime skater!
    Vancouver got the 2nd best dman(maybe the best) in the draft after Dahlin. Boqvist? Beaudin? Mitchell has some skill and grit for the HAWKS, the rest are average.
    Walhstrom looks good as well for the Rangers!

  84. Boqvist 3rd overal all? Watching winger/centre Rasmus Kupari (LA 1st rounder 2018), many teams including the HAWKS missed out on a difference maker as well. Always has the puck; big, skill and great skater! Wow, another miss by Mark Kelley and Bowman.

  85. Why would Segwin want to stay there. They cant win and are going nowhere with always singing lots of ufas every summer. As good as he is, he must know its smart to be in BOS/traded or now CHI with up and coming talent we have. To win a Cup, if he wants to win one.

    BoQ is 17, everybody else is a yr ahead of him.

  86. If Detroit as i have mentioned before is interesred in moving Athanasiou, taking a look at that could be worthwhile. A more manageable 3m caphit for next 2 years and still be rfa at that time, speedy young winger with offensive ability. Makes sense to me if price was reasonable to acquire him.

  87. Some people think we suck and it doesn’t matter if we add one good/really good player. We should tank because theres no point/they think no matter who we add or draft cant win in next 25yrs. Ok.

    The good out of that, is it better to wait a yr and get another top10 pick and make the young core even better.
    or
    Its only one more good young player, we cant pay that many at once, and lets start the journey this yr by getting better with how much upside players we have. Get the 19-22nd pick and trade up at draft and get the 15th pick instead of the 9th. Is next draft a deep one? Where it would make a difference between picking 9th or 15th.

    Sounds like were winding up, holding back, loading, then pounce when the time is ripe.

  88. The way i see it being played out Mo is go for the good young guys who be around awhile and develop them. When back to the point of strong chance of another cup, go for the big money quick fix at that point. May take another couple of years to get there, if thats the case Bowman can have most of his young core locked up and not risk losing them. Not all the young Dmen going to be a part of it, so need a little time for that to play out and get goalie questions answered past Crawford contract. The panic that seemed to be there to win quick has taken a more patient approach this off season it appears, seemingly feeling there will be plenty of time for Kane, Toews and maybe Keith to still be a factor.

  89. With Schmaltz and Debrincat seemingly now part of the core moving forward, I wonder if this is not only a development year for them but also a year in which we see if Sikura, Ejdsell or Kahun can get to that level.

    Right now your top 5 forwards are : Kane, Toews, Saad, Schmaltz, DeBrincat. It would be a pleasant surprise if any of the 3 guys mentioned above could step into that role.

  90. Craig, if Schmaltz and Debrincat take a step forward and get to 60 points…. A bump of just 8 points. And if Saad can return to 50 points (+15 from last year). The Hawks would be happy. Now if Sikura,Edsell,or Kahun can get anywhere close to the 52 points Debrincat put up I think at least offensively the Hawks would be happy. If Sikura does in fact play with 19 and 20 it would be an interesting dynamic. 2 more power forward type guys with a playmaker type. Something those two guys never had until Hinostroza was put there.

    I’m not convinced Kruger stays up with the big club. He was sent to the AHL with Charlotte. I don’t think faceoffs alone are enough to keep him up. If 19 and 8 are your top 2 centers. You have Anisimov,Kruger, and Kampf for the other 2. Do they bump Anisimov to wing then? That means 3 remaining forward spots for Kahun, Edsell, Hayden, and Kunitz. Kunitz has a no move. So he’s staying.

    We know how the front office thinks of Kahun. There’s a reason he(as well as Ejdsel) wasn’t at the prospect camp. Both viewed as more “finished products”

  91. It really is the best longterm way to go. No doubt 19/88 will have several yrs left when were deep again. 50 and 2 might only have so many though. Hope 50 is part of it.
    To be able to have a dynasty and then be part of a 4th Cup, maybe 5, a half decade later is something the redwings top players couldn’t do. Only EDM (last 50yrs)

  92. For the young core, be sweet if more then one of them can. That just makes the 3rd line that better quality.

  93. Even though AA is below average at the dot I don’t see him on the wing – I don’t think he’s fast enough to get in on the forecheck plus he’s a good defensive centre othwer than face offs

    Q has said he’s going to try 20, 8, 88 so that leaves 19, 12 and ?

    Could be Sikura could be Edjsell – this is where maybe AA could fit IMO but hopefully one of the other two steps up and leaves AA for 3C where I think he’s best suited

  94. Agree Wrap that AA between 2 of those younger forwards on a 3rd line, unless they put him on wing to start year to allow the younger guys time to adapt their game before putting them there.
    Kruger if healthy may stay around with his 4th line checking/shutdown ability plus hus faceoff ability. If he struggles he probably doesn’t stay around too much as a regular, maybe just a press box body.

  95. Watching Highlites of Kahun…

    He would fit in quite nicely with Kane (then again who doesn’t)… has a little bit of Panarin in him… will skate East/West and is really quick… did NOT see any of that Panarin “Dangle -the -puck”… But Kahun is very quick and will hold on to the puck and out wait the D/Goalie…

    AND- know he has been a Champion… so the word is he is very smart/responsible..

    Skate him on either 1st or 2nd line… and I think some really good things will happen… we will see how he Handles the NHL comp… but I have some high hopes for Him…

    Plenty of young skill /speed/… Sikura, Kahun, D-cat, Schmaltz… with Kane…

    Saad and Toews need to show up…

    D is still a joke- though…

  96. AND Rutta or Murphy needs to step up and play to his respective salary. Murphy truly needs the opportunity to play and prove it. That’s on Q.
    Ruuta needs to rebound from the concussion he suffered last year.
    He looked like a stud and a steal in the first quarter of the season, until he got run, then he looked like an afraid little mouse.
    I’m higher than most on Gustafsson. He can skate and transport the puck at the NHL level. That’s impressive.
    Manning will play because Q was in on the decision making.
    Hillman is a sleeper who is pretty close to NHL ready, plus Q likes him, that’s encouraging.

  97. Since being traded from Boston in the 2013 season Seguin has played 7 playoff games. 5 years and 7 playoff games. Stars fans are trying to justify this by competition in the central; that’s a losers argument. Build a better team Jim Nil. He should probably sack up and move their top prospect for Erik Karlsson that makes them leaps and bounds better oh well, hope Seguin leaves after the season.

  98. The trutrh is the roster is weak especially at the wing positions. Kahun and Ejdsel are AHL players in the first year in North America. The rest are fringe forwards at best including SIKURA!
    All of the roster moves made no sense; not signing Duclair, Jurco, trading Vinny (Ok, for Hossa cap issue) but replaqcing these guys with Kunitz, Kahun and Ejdsel is still not an upgrade and certainly not elite in talent to make the playoffs.
    So this is what we have.

    20 8 88
    ? 19 12
    ? 15 ?
    ? 16?

  99. BTW, Kane mentioned how amazing Hughes was at the World Championships this year. He is skates and plays like KANE but on defence. Against Canada tonight, he was still the most dymanic and explosive skater on the ice. Truly incredible talent. Both Hawks and Wings will regret not drafting him. He is better than his brother Jack.

  100. If I were coach I would work the veterans most during practice and reduce their minutes during the game. Long season

  101. Wrap thats probably Bowmans poor drafting caused that too lol.
    A year under their Blackhawks belt Craig should make players like Murphy, Rutta and Gus improved alone. Still think Rutta is insurance if Jokiharju not able to make the leap to NHL, which they are going to insure he is getting every chance to do, possibly be the partner Keith needs at some point even. If Forsling and comes back healthy too be a plus. Hopefully Seabrook and Keith look a bit more interested thus season too.

  102. If the Hawks could have even drafted Hughes and did, you’d bitch about a small defenseman.

    Duclair and Jurco sucked in varying degrees last year. Duclair was due a raise had they tendered a contract. He got league minimum. 8 points in 23 games…and had a pretty bad injury on top of it. He’s fast and skates well but had “zero hockey sense”. Jurco had 10 points in 29 games. He still doesn’t have a contract. The 3 fringe forwards you mentioned would all have NHL deals if they we’rent under contract.

    Jurco- 29gp-6g-4a
    Duclair-56gp 11g- 12a
    Kunitz- 82gp 13g- 16a

    Not a huge fan of the Kunitz signing either. But I’m not butt hurt they moved from Duclair and Jurco.

  103. Ernie, Kunitz will be one the top pk guys this season, also may give a physical presence on a 3rd line with younger plsyers that could be needed or a solid 4th line checker. Q probably use in his blender in top 6 at times to try and add spark there too. So no problems with that signing on a 1 year deal.

  104. Didn’t mean sound like I thought you did, just saying i believe if minutes managed properly i think he can be an asset.

  105. Just saw on hockey cannal, BUF got Sobotka, Berglund, 1st, 2nd for Oreilly.
    I knew STL got Oreilly, didn’t see they gave all of that. Wow.

    What are they stupid.
    That’s cool.

  106. Having those kind of guys, fast skaters with no hockey sense. Was good for a yr like last yr, when the roster needed more speed compared to the previous yr. They were good for that to get by until more young guys ready that have speed. Just so we could play and not have other team win/harder to win just because they were faster then us.

    As we go along we can pick and choose who we really want to keep mid and longterm. These kind of guys are always shortys.

  107. All good. My point was you don’t have to be critical of everything…or be a total Homer.

    If Kunitz is played like the way you stated, that sounds a lot like what youd want from John Hayden. My fear with Kunitz is they try him in the top 6. Hayden and Kunitz had almost the same PPG. Kunitz will be 39 in 6 weeks. His PPG have been on the decline every year for the last 4 years.

    If Kunitz is here as a 13th forward or as insurance if Kahun or Ejdsell falter that’s fine. I just don’t have that trust with Q. I had similar sentiments last year with Sharp. Without Kunitz you’re probably seeing Highmore or Fortin. Those 2 are pretty damn good CHL free agent signings btw.

  108. We are taking about a 38 year old Kunitz not a 38 year Hossa! Do we even need Kunitz? NO, let the young players Bowman thinks are great draft picks play. Knott, Iacopelli, etc…

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