Henri Jokiharju Assigned To Rockford

On Thursday morning, while most of us in Chicago were trying to avoid the ridiculous cold, the Blackhawks were busy making moves. Henri Jokiharju was assigned to Rockford.

Jokiharju, 19, has 12 assists in 37 games this year and is averaging 19:15 per game.

Since the Blackhawks made the coaching change Jokiharju has been used less by Jeremy Colliton. His ice time under Joel Quenneville was well over 20 minutes per game; he averaged 21:17 and had seven assists with a plus-four rating in 13 games in October. His ice time has gradually fallen each month.

  • Oct – 21:17
  • Nov – 20:25
  • Dec – 17:41
  • Jan – 14:25

His 12 points rank fourth among Blackhawks defensemen behind Erik Gustafsson, Duncan Keith and Brent Seabrook.

Chicago still has a crowded blue line after adding Slater Koekkoek via trade recently. With the NHL’s trade deadline less than four weeks away, the Blackhawks look to be active in the market as sellers.

83 thoughts on “Henri Jokiharju Assigned To Rockford

  1. The “why” of this move:

    – Development. Henri J. is and will be a very good player. The NHL grind is a bit much for him right now.

    – He will play big minutes in all situations in Rockford.

    – KK and Forsling. Blackhawks want to play them a lot before the deadline to cement what moves they can make on defense. They especially want to see what they’ve got in KK.

    This move is with the long term in mind on several fronts.

  2. Row A long term on several fronts not the least of which is him being 3 games short of 40 needed to attain ufa status a year earlier.

  3. It’s worth noting that the kid needs ice time to continue developing and the Hawks should be in sell mode. Colliton shouldn’t be skating Henri only 14 minutes a game, but if the choice is helping Forsling’s trade value vs Jokiharju getting 6D minutes, I’m all for this move in the short term. Bowman needs to clean up some of the dead weight (Davidson, Forsling on the blue line) and that would clear room for Jokiharju. I think they also want to get a good look at Koekkoek between now and the deadline as well.

  4. I want to see if Koekkoek can play as well. I like his physical tools, it will be nice to see how his overall game looks.

    I have to defer to JC on what’s best for a 19 year old’s development, so if he thinks that Joki playing in Rockford now will make him a better defenseman later, I’m all for it.

  5. Tab your points have merit for sure, i guess to me it’ll be interesting when it comes time to recall somebody if its him or getting a look at others in Rockford is the thing.
    Collitons approach was noticeably different with him to me, so think it could be as much a good for business decision as it is anything.

    That is the difference, Q had the ambition to win and did making the right guy for his tenure. Colliton i see as young and ambitious career wise who will do whats best for business to fuel his ambition, most likely why Bowman wanted him right now. Thats why i have said another coach could be needed with a win is the only thing mentality to take this team after reaching contender level again to a championship level again.

  6. I’d like to see K K play too. He’s big, mobile, can skate and appears to have a pretty good shot. Seems a little unaware of what’s going on around him but he hasn’t played most of the year and here he is in a new system.

  7. Joki? Well, I think this is a UFA status move because his best development is playing alongside Keith the rest of the NHL year not playimng alongside Campbell in Rockford. We have not developed anyone with impcat on D down there so why would that change now. Dalhstrom, Kookoo, and Forlsing shoot left thus they should rotate and figure it out. Forsling is too soft so he should go.

  8. Development is far more important then winning games now. There are several defensemen that its their turn to play more with contracts are at/team is going roster wise. Deadline trades. 82 games is a long season for first yr players and hes still only 19. We can check one box with the first of the Four Horsemen. Hes good.

  9. To Ian’s point about others in Rockford getting a look.

    I’m a partial season tix holder in Rockford (not that it matters). Anyway, you do hear things. Take some with a grain of salt and I always consider who’s saying it too, do they have an agenda, etc.

    Here are some predictions:

    Lucas Carlsson: is having the best all around year in Rockford of the D. .50 pt per game pace. More importantly he is a smart player, moves well, is sturdy, and makes his defense partner better. He is still adjusting to the North American pro game and pace – and grind. Strong suit is his positioning, he knows where to be.

    The people around the Rockford team like him a lot but caution, he could (emphasis “could”, not “will”) be part of a larger move to entice other teams. There have been lots of opposing team scouts at the games, more than normal. One eastern conference scout shooting the breeze with a group of us said Carlsson is your (Ice Hogs) best d-man prospect right now.

    Darren Raddyish: He is better this year, his play has leveled off lately. He still struggles with foot speed although its better this year. He too would struggle with the NHL pace but he has another year on his deal so they will be patient.

    Blake Hillman: Smart player, good defensive mindset, will play physical. Has been a healthy scratch many times – he too is adjusting to the pro game. Key for him is to progress these last 25 or so games so he can get a new contract.

    Dennis Gilbert: Physical, defense first character guy. Looks to be a depth defenseman which is fine for a 3rd round pick. Not ready for the NHL yet, again they will be patient.

    If there are injuries look for Lucas C. to get a look see. Possibly Hillman for a cup of coffee. Up front, no surprise if Anthony Louis gets a “reward” game or two once playoffs are officially out of reach, like Delia last year. He has been a good teammate in Rockford and his contract is up this year.

    For what it’s worth.

  10. Ian, you may be on to something. Colliton is like the pledge master. Were going to need a seasoned head coach and good assistants when the team/roster is ready to win the Stanley Cup.

  11. Row A – thanks for bringing Lucas Carlsson back up. He’s an interesting player who adds to the young depth coming.

    The Blackhawks have a crowded blue line in the NHL and Rockford and have a lot of depth coming. Guys like Gilbert and Raddysh are depth players who likely don’t have a spot in Chicago as long as Murphy is here and playing fairly well. And I personally like Dahlstrom better than Gilbert/Raddysh in the NHL.

    There is a time in the near future when the Blackhawks have too many good young defensemen under the age of 26 for the available roster spots in Chicago and can use those pieces to upgrade elsewhere. But there also needs to be time for them to adequately develop. We all forget the rough years in the mid-2000s when Keith and Seabrook were cutting their teeth on awful Hawks teams. At some point the front office is going to need to see what they have IN THE NHL and not keep cycling veterans like Davidson through at 19 min/gm.

  12. Agreed @Tab.

    While personally I’m not a fan of this move, I would rather jokiharju play 20 mins a night up here. At least the stupid stuff is over scratching him, playing on his off side and limited minutes.
    Still waiting for the move that clears some of the d man clutter
    in Rockford and Chicago. Because a few more will be signed for next year or already are signed (Beaudin and Boqvist).

  13. Slav… I agree more Koo-koo … to see what’s there… so far i don’t mind him… actually like him so far…

    And has size/reach versus other Prospects

  14. Anyone who looked at his contract saw this coming. It’s not about the minutes or develop ment so much as it is the contract. Whether you are looking to keep Joker or trade Joker adding another year as an RFA is of major value to the Blackhawks; again as an asset to the team or an asset to trade. If there has been any flaw (not that I’m an expert at developing players) it’s how “Joker” (is that what his nickname is?-it’s better than Breadman—–I HATED that dumb nickname~nothing like free advertising for a corporation!) has been handled in his time here.

    It’s a bust of a year for the team so play the rookies. I’ve said it dozens of times; the year the Blackhkaws almost won the presidents trophy (16-2017?) The blackhawks should have played any rookies they have with big minutes; if for experience, to increase trade value, to see what they got, anything. But no, they let the experienced solid vets lead the way to a second place league finish and are now in the dumps due to lack of depth.

    Speaking of which it will be nice to see if KooKoo (that’s what we’re calling him I guess, better than Breadman) can hang. No reason he shouldn’t be given an opportunity. Tampa Bay is a stacked team(not sure how much on defense-that goalie they have is on of the few elite goalies in the league along with Gibson on the Ducks). Looks like Koo Koo would have to clear waivers to be sent down and will be an RFA. So in other words Blackhawks need to determine if he fits the roster needs next year, determine if he would sign a two-way contract(doubtful?), sign him and hope he’s able to clear waivers at the start of next season when teams are so busy evaluating what they have they aren’t as interested in picking up someone they have not scouted on the waiver wire at the start of the season. Ironically as bad as the Blackhawks are it seems there is a logjam on D.

    Should be an interesting trade deadline, but as I look around at other sites….the Blackhawks are rarely mentioned in trade rumors. Again TSN.ca/NHL has a list of the top 50 players that might be moved at the deadline and the Blackhawks make zero appearances on that list. In other words teams likely can fulfill their needs (but at what cost?) without even calling the Blackhawks just to say “hello”.

    I like Kruger btw, think he’ll come back next year on a much more cost efficient contract?

  15. I am a firm believer the contract for Krueger this year was his THANK YOU from the Hawks for being the last guy to sign most off-seasons and for whatever money was left. He got some rings for his patience and kindness, and a decent contract for this season. Next year is likely to be different if he is here. I’m okay with what they did for him. It’s better than an albatross contract like Seabrook.

    Notice the pattern yet? We have had 3 young Dmen in the past 2 years that looked to be able to play at this level, only to see them stumble and fall on the ice. Ruuta didn’t recover. Forsling is still recovering (in more ways than 1). Joki has the same disease. It’s tough for kids to make it at this level and at such a young age. Forsling is 22 and yet most here are ready to write him off. I hope you have more patience for your own children than you do for those on the Hawks.

    Hull continues to push the “Keith for Teacher” motto that even Keith doesn’t like. Sad, for you both. Seabrook will be the teacher, while Keith will be the one getting talked about on the hush hush. And Hull65 still hasn’t given the 3 teams in the NHL that would want Keith as their top line Dman yet, so Row A, I think he just likes stirring pots, not having intelligent conversation.

    Keep thinking we are miraculously going to have 4 young kids anchoring our defense next year. It’s a great place to escape to every day, but not a place that you will be visiting in Chicago next year, or likely even the following year.

    Tab’s (great posts today) point about Keith and Seabrook as kids is very spot-on, and needs to be understood by many here. Let Joki get confidence and direction back in Rockford with a future player pairing. Let’s see what Kookoo can do for the rest of the year. That’s why we got him.

    Kids take time to grow up. On the ice, and at home.

    I see mostly peripheral type moves this TDL, not blockbusters. I hope I am wrong. Off-season should be where we get organized for the rebuild of our defense. If it doesn’t look to be quickly done, then I see Saad gone and AA given away if nobody wants him. And a strong conversation with the core.

  16. My “spidey sense” tells me the TDL is going to anticlimactic for us Hawks fans. The Hawks don’t have any players that check the boxes of what teams are looking to add to their team. Plus, they don’t have an albatross contract they need to move out sooner than later. Unless it’s one of the players we don’t want traded or can’t trade because of their contract – whatever the Hawks would get back in trade wouldn’t move the needle so it’s of little consequence either way. I’d rather do nothing than make a bad move, and I hope Stan feels the same way.

  17. Joki to the Rock was something I suggested before the All Star break and it’s the right move

    He’ll be back possibly this year – certainly next year and will be better for it – plus he needs to play top pairing minutes which he’s not doing here and he does look a bit overwhelmed at the moment

    No one ever had their game hurt by playing in the AHL – ask Keith and Crawford amongst others

    Also interested in seeing more KK – the Hawks might have something with this guy – he’s looked like an NHLer in 3 games so far

  18. Pulling for Koekkoek-from a little town in Ontario called Winchester where my mom and several other relatives grew up. One of my cousins was Matt Carkner also from the same town. (Also Larry Robinson grew up there.)
    When Slater was picked 10th overall it was huge news.

  19. Well hold on here Raptor…if the Rangers can unload a deadbeat like Rick Nash to Boston at the deadline the Hawks can unload A.A . to some unsuspecting Calgary Flames …cough ,burp ,fart ….sell them on his awesome defensive capabilities and his piss poor f/ o percentage …hell package him up with Kruger, a pair of 3-4 lime defensive specialists…….

  20. We are a little past the halfway mark of the season and our disaster of a defense to start the year has made some real progress. To me the most pleasant surprise is how consistent Dahlstrom has been. With all the smaller prospects coming up, it would be huge if Dahlstrom and Murphy can continue to grow as a shut-down pair that can eat big minutes. Gus has improved more than I ever thought was possible but still makes way too many bonehead plays. My guess is he stays since his contract is pretty friendly for another year. Forsling and Koekkoek have more potential than Ruttu, Manning and Davidson although their futures are in no way secure. Joki will be a solid NHL d-man in the future. Having him play big minutes in Rockford is the right move – his confidence has dropped and it has already been a long year for him. With Mitchell, Boquist, Krys, Beaudin and Carlsson (thanks for the update Row) on the horizon the competition should really accelerate. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see at least one of these prospects included in a deal that could bring us some real forward depth.

  21. I was just watching TSN, Pierre LeBrun said the Blackhawks will approach Duncan Keith before the trade deadline and ask him if he wants to stay and be part of this rebuild or if he wants to be traded and Bowman will proceed from there. LeBrun then reiterated that conversation with Keith Will Take Place. Hmmm.

    If Muzzin was worth two prospects and a first rounder, you would think closer to the deadline, Keith would be worth at least that much as the heat cranks up on contending GMs face pressure to make that one key move as they watch their counterparts do the same.

  22. Gravel only prospect to report 26 saves on 31 shots, win.

    Not sure of exact numbers but if Keith retires his recapture caphit penalty the Blackhawks would have are.
    2019-20 2m, 2020-21 2.85m 21-22 3.4m
    and 22-23 4m
    Those numbers remain the same for that particular year regardless of which year he should retire. Current caphit minus actual salary for year in question is roughly the recapture penalty i believe.
    He is only contract that carries a recapture penalty now.

  23. I think if LeBrun is right (he often is) Stan is approaching this correctly. Ask Keith first if he wants to stay or go and then proceed accordingly rather than look for a trade before asking Keith.

    He deserves that respect and if the Hawks didn’t extend it it would reverberate through the dressing room as well as pissing off Keith.

  24. I spoke with somebody in the know tonight, who told me Hawks are trying hard to make trades for draft picks or prospects. They are in sell mode ( this of course is not earthshaking). But good to hear they are trying to acquire picks.

    Also, do not expect to see Forsling traded. I was told Stan and company are still very high on him.

  25. Trading AA, Forsling, Ward, Murphy makes more sense because we do not have anyone in the cailbre of Keith to play on defence, And if he leaves the one year rebuild will not happen which means KANE and TEOWS will rot here in Chicago. Bruins did not ask CHARA tom waive a no trade clause? The GM’s started drafting and rebuild in one year. Fired the GM, fired the coach….and they are aplayoff team again.
    You trade Keith or Seabs, who do you have for next season? Trade AA, Forsling, Ward, Murphy, Perlini and make sure you get prospects or some 2nd round picks and draft in the top 3. That’s a quicvk rebuild if Joki can improve and mayber Kappo or a scoring forward from the draft makes the team. Sign Panarin or Schmaltz or trade for Kapanen?

  26. There are a couple challenges to trading Keith – trading partner and the term of Keith’s contract, which is 4 more seasons after this season – he’s still going to be on the books when he’s 39. That’s a tough sell.

  27. Safe to say everyone is available however not everyone is wanted at top dollar. So many years past there is an Ex-Blackhawk to root for. Not so much this year; early in the Season I seriously joked Byfuglien would be an affordable welcome return. Nah the Jets want to keep that asset.

  28. @ Hull65 …

    Congratulations. You made it through an entire post without saying FIRE BOWMAN.

    Now, onto your points, which are off as usual:

    “Trading AA, Forsling, Ward, Murphy makes more sense because we do not have anyone in the cailbre of Keith to play on defence, And if he leaves the one year rebuild will not happen which means KANE and TEOWS will rot here in Chicago.”

    Where has anyone even uttered the words one year rebuild? Management has not even used the word rebuild. IF Keith is traded, big IF, would it not depend on the return? It does not have to be all future draft choices. When a trade is made, evaluate the return. Not before because you just don’t know what might be coming back.

    “Bruins did not ask CHARA tom waive a no trade clause? The GM’s started drafting and rebuild in one year. Fired the GM, fired the coach….and they are a playoff team again.”

    Different situation. Look at the contract. Chara has been playing on short term deals. Keith is signed longer term. It helps to know the facts.

    “You trade Keith or Seabs, who do you have for next season?”

    Lots of cap room for one. I am not advocating trading either player, but am not against it either. It depends what you can get. Seabrook will be extremely difficult to trade (contract). Keith will be easier to trade but he too has 4 more years term. Not to mention both these players have 100% control of where they are willing to go, which thereby limits the market. But the general point is this – if you trade a player, you will get something back. That is the answer to your question.

    “Trade AA, Forsling, Ward, Murphy, Perlini and make sure you get prospects or some 2nd round picks and draft in the top 3.”

    Ward also has a no movement clause (that pesky contract reality throwing cold water on your ideas again). His son has a medical condition and the family chose Chicago in part because of specialized medical care. Not to mention, Ward’s value is likely nil. Trade AA? Would love to. Know any team who wants to pick up those two years of term? Maybe it would be easier this summer when his trade protection evaporates and his actual salary dollars drop. Again, maybe learn something about the contract situation. Trade Murphy and Perlini? Well ok if you say so. Seems strange to trade a guy you just acquired (Perlni) whose value is low due to his start in Chicago not to mention this minor concussion he’s dealing with, oh yeah that injury stuff.

    “That’s a quicvk rebuild if Joki can improve and mayber Kappo or a scoring forward from the draft makes the team.”

    Counting on an 18 year old draft choice to come in and make a difference is a fools errand. It does happen, but not too often unless you’re a McDavid, etc.

    “Sign Panarin or Schmaltz or trade for Kapanen?”

    Panarin will want $10M or $11M likely and long term. Age 28 next season when a contract would start. Do the Blackhawks want to pay that kind of money and term when presently they’re trying to shed long term money? I think not. Further, you advocate keeping Keith and Seabrook yet you also want to sign Panarin. You’ll have about a 10 man team and no salary cap room.

    AGAIN, Schmaltz is a RFA, not a UFA. You can’t just go and sign him, there are compensation rules for RFA’s which you need to learn. Further, he is in the midst of a pretty serious knee injury. Bad idea.

    Sorry to once again burst your bubble, but your post was, as usual, full of unrealistic ideas. Once again, though, congratulations on finally getting through one post with saying FIRE BOWMAN or the other two guys you want fired.

  29. EB starting to think fa in off season this year may be anti-climatic too. If next season is still strictly development year, then big money on ufas may not be reasonable expectation. Keith will go if he wants to and only where he’d be happy to go. His recapture dictates that, so asking him to waive his nmc is a courtesy move. Room is needed for young defence to play so likely just covering all options.

  30. I agree with Ian’s last line. Room is needed for our young D men to play. Keith is a shadow of what he wants was. I used to tell my son to Hawks keep your eye on Keith, he owns the puck when he’s on the ice. He controls the game. Look I’ve been watching hockey a long time. As a kid I was in the rafters for Bobby’s 50th. As a wee little one my older bro took me to see the 61 Hawks. I fell in love with the game. I myself was not good enough to play with some of my friends but still played on frozen ponds in Chicago and at Rainbow on Clark st. You guys probably played a lot more than me but i see what I see on the ice. Depending on the return I’d like to see Keith traded. I believe GM’s would be lining up for his experience and what he has left. Who knows if he’d want to go tho. Some mentioned getting Schmaltz back, really? They traded him because they didn’t think he was worth the $ as a RFA to begin with. Highly talented but lacking any grit and shied away from any contact. Love to see Panarin back but with all the firepower and chemistry he and Kane had we got wiped out 2 yrs in the playoffs. I would like to see some of our youngsters on offense like Kahun, Strome, Cagguila maybe Perlini only off his 17 goals from last year grow. Hayden is a good 4th liner to me. The rest are all interchangeable with little upside to me. Going back to the D one more time I do remember when Seabs and Keith got here they had major growing pains. D men just take longer to develop. More responsibility and Especially today with all the speed coming at them. Why would anyone want to trade Gus at this stage of his career unless they’re convinced he will never learn to play a solid D. Offensively he’s the closest we’ve had to a vintage Keith in years. Anyway that’s my 2 cents from this old timer.

  31. Bingo Row! Fire Bowman! As you can see with Ward and AA , you fav Stan has made some bad decisions with no trade clauses. 3 million for a 34 year old bad goalie who could not beat out another worse goalie in Darling. Bruins? Ask Jimmy Murphy from Boston if they asked Chara about his no trade clause!
    Again, you believe Bowman will draft intelligently. You continue to bypass his performance that last 10 years. It’s amazing why you still cannot answer with all your knowledge why all those trades with no return, free agent college signings, never drafting a goalie (Matt Murray or Carter Cook type), a dman, a winger…all these moves as a GM you attribute to cap issues? Like he is the only GM that has cap issues in the NHL. Hey Jim Nill, let’s throw in Stephan Johns. Kunitz’s wife is from Chicago let’s sign him. Ward’s child has a medical condition so let’s give a 3million dollar no trade clause. Seriously, with all you incredible research just ask yourself how Bowman has performed in 10 years. And what is a GM’s responsability. By the way, he does not play hockey, so Tallon’s players won the Cup because they play hockey
    Funny stuff once again Row A, but I do urge you to answer facts not the fiction.
    Keeping Keith and Seabs but trading AA, Forlsing, and Murphy would free up some cap room and get us a high draft pick. Of course, I would love to see Dean Lombardi annouce the selection while Bowman and Kelley are watching on TV.

  32. I am not sure everything BOS did. I think they simply already drafted Pactrinak and then got those 4 good young players. They were bad to 2 yrs/record wise, not one yr rebuild. That is exactly where we are doing. We already got Debrincat and those Four Horsemen. Sure we donot know if everyone of them are going to be top 4 quality/good players. We know the first of the Four Horsemen is good.

    Point is its basically the same as BOS did it. BOS not just a playoff team, they are in the group of teams 5-10 or 10-15 based on what you think.

    What we have that BOS doesnt have coming is a top 6 pick and 32-35 pick. They traded that away to get Nash. So I think our grass look like Kentucky blue grass and theirs more like rye.

    The Calvary is coming.

  33. The concept and idea that Bowman would outlast Keith and Seabs in Chicago is disgusting. Giving Keith a no-trade clause was deserving. Asking him to waive it is insulting especially that the team started to sink because of the GM’s bad performance. Keith plays his heart out every night.
    Kane who is still a star will not hang around if Keith and Seabs leave because Bowman has never made a successful blockbuster trade, one that would put the Hawks back in the NHL as a contenders. His only solution is to trade AA, Murphy and Forlsing (Ward and Kunitz retire) to clear money for Panarin and a top 4 dman) to draft in the top 3 or maybe first especially if you trade the above mentioned and call up duds like Sikura and the gang from Rockford.
    Tank, fire your buddy and make a quick rebuild.

  34. I normally am against trading down in the draft but there may be some merit to do so this time. If the Hawks don’t get one of the top two or three spots, they would be selecting a player who probably isn’t going to be ready for the NHL in 2019/20. There would still be players worthy of a top-10 pick but they would need a year or two to mature enough to reach their potential.

    Normally goalies are not selected in round-1 but this draft there is a goalie named Spencer Knight who is supposed to be all that and a slice of bread. He is projected to be drafted in the 15-25 range. Maybe trade the 4-8 pick for a 12-15 pick and a prospect and select Knight. He is committed to Boston College so let him go there for a couple years and maybe he turns out to be the goalie of the next dynasty.

  35. I wouldnt hold Bread Man for 16 and 17. STL and NAS were top 5 teams playing in first round, really NAS was on verge of being top 3 team and they were a top 5 team when we had to beat them to win 2015 Stanley Cup. Nobody knew it yet. NAS and LA were not 8 seeds those yrs. They are build for playoffs. We werent in the way the whole got fast and we stayed the same because we were running on a dynasty tank of gas.

    I would like to see what Bread Man can do, like we did Saader do, with a full roster.

  36. 44/56/other

    Any playoff team, other then TAM maybe, would want an extra depth Defesnmen. We had a guy like that, we got from ANA, and he was playing in some of the games against PHI in 2010. You need people who can play and they do not have to be good ideas for 23man long or mid term when you have a good team and are playing for the Cup.

  37. I misread what you were saying. I would keep 56 to.
    I would keep Dals and Murf until we have 6-7 better defensemen.

    Bread Man/Stone/similar, top 4 or 2 defensemen, top 6 pick & 32-35 pick. That gets us 81 and 4 back. What we deserve to have.

  38. He is projected to be drafted in the 15-25 range.

    Why give away a top 6 skill. We ant to add that goalie, ok. Then lets trade our extra 1st we get/Dunks?=20-30th pick or our 32-35 pick and trade up to the 15-25 range and get that goalie/Walls Kayliev in addition to a top 6 skill stud.

  39. @ Hull65

    You obviously like being trounced.

    Here we go again. See if you have the ability to read and comprehend this time.

    Your gibberish in quotes. My responses follow each of your gibberish quotes.

    “Bingo Row! Fire Bowman! As you can see with Ward and AA , you fav Stan has made some bad decisions with no trade clauses. 3 million for a 34 year old bad goalie who could not beat out another worse goalie in Darling.”

    I knew you couldn’t get through two posts in a row with your FIRE BOWMAN mantra. You are just like a parrot.

    Carolina and Scott Darling? Wrong again, Hull65. Carolina signed Darling to a 4 year deal to be a starter and that’s what Darling was … until his game fell apart. Seems to me you’d be happy Chicago got a 3rd round pick for his rights, but you conveniently leave that out.

    Ward’s deal is for one year. Deal with it.

    Anisimov is a PARTIAL no trade. Big difference. Again, it helps the discussion if you even slightly knew what you are talking about. I guess that’s above your pay grade.

    “Bruins? Ask Jimmy Murphy from Boston if they asked Chara about his no trade clause!”

    Ask Jimmy Murphy. What is your point? You need to take a “learn how to express yourself in writing” course because whoever taught you, it was a miserable failure.

    “Again, you believe Bowman will draft intelligently. You continue to bypass his performance that last 10 years.”

    Hmmm, interesting statement. His performance the past 10 years led to a couple Stanley Cups. How about your best GM buddy Dale Tallon? Or Doug Wilson? How have they done the last 10 years. Please quit while you are woefully behind, you are embarrassing yourself … again.

    “It’s amazing why you still cannot answer with all your knowledge why all those trades with no return, free agent college signings, never drafting a goalie (Matt Murray or Carter Cook type), a dman, a winger…all these moves as a GM you attribute to cap issues?”

    Please provide a quote where I said all of the things you mention were a result of cap issues. Go ahead, dig it up. I will wait. And I will be waiting a long time.

    You are, once again, moving the goal posts on the goalie drafting issue. Your example of Carter Hart was specifically addressed, in length. With specific examples. Can you read? If you CAN read, do you comprehend what you read? If not, the entire world suggests you get someone to explain it to you.

    “Like he is the only GM that has cap issues in the NHL.”

    All GM’s have cap issues, it is the nature of the NHL. What is your point? Do you actually HAVE a point? Are you even capable of making a coherent point?

    “Hey Jim Nill, let’s throw in Stephan Johns. Kunitz’s wife is from Chicago let’s sign him. Ward’s child has a medical condition so let’s give a 3million dollar no trade clause.”

    Oh yes, the great Stephen Johns. You might want to learn to spell his name if you are using him as an example. The great Stephen Johns who is injured again. Yes, Stephen Johns has been a critical element in all of the Dallas Stars success. Oops, you may want to check again on that.

    Kunitz and Ward. Big deal. One year placeholder signings. In your letter to Rocky Wirtz (what is the status of that letter by the way? Are you afraid to write it? Are you afraid to post it here for critique and review? It appears so.) you may wish to ask him about it.

    “Seriously, with all you incredible research just ask yourself how Bowman has performed in 10 years.”

    No incredible research. Just knowledge off the top of my head. Knowledge which you do not have … obviously. And it bothers you. Obviously. How is that letter to Rocky Wirtz coming along? Or are you afraid to write it?

    As for Bowman’s performance over 10 years, go to the Hockey Hall of Fame and look at the Stanley Cup. See if his name is on it during the last 10 year time period.

    “And what is a GM’s responsability. By the way, he does not play hockey, so Tallon’s players won the Cup because they play hockey”

    What is “responsability”? Do you mean responsIbility with an “i”? If you do, his responsibility is to try to assemble a roster that wins the Stanley Cup. Which he has in your 10 year judgement period. Can you not read? This is all spelled out in any generic hockey book or even Wikipedia. Whether he can do it again remains to be seen. Just like it remains to be seen if any of your GM buddies ever rise to the level of mediocre results, specifically Tallon in Florida. Or if Wilson in San Jose ever wins anything. Or if Olczyk ever becomes president of a team that wins the Stanley Cup. Past results do not bode well for those three.

    “Funny stuff once again Row A, but I do urge you to answer facts not the fiction.”

    All I have presented are facts. You have presented idiocy, and people here laugh at you. Even the site owner laughs at you. Hint: It’s not everybody else. It’s you.

    “Keeping Keith and Seabs but trading AA, Forlsing, and Murphy would free up some cap room and get us a high draft pick. Of course, I would love to see Dean Lombardi annouce the selection while Bowman and Kelley are watching on TV.”

    Now it’s Dean Lombardi in the Hull65 GM of the Week Campaign. By the way, you have it wrong AGAIN. Trading Keith and Seabrook would free up significantly more cap room than trading Anisimov, Forsling, and Murphy. I see you failed math class as well as Logic and Reasoning 101.

    Game, set. match again. You lose … again. You are too easy.

    Did you look up Welcome Back Kotter? And see how wrong you were AGAIN?

  40. @ Hull65

    Trouncing, part two:

    Your quotes first, followed by my responses:

    “The concept and idea that Bowman would outlast Keith and Seabs in Chicago is disgusting. Giving Keith a no-trade clause was deserving. Asking him to waive it is insulting especially that the team started to sink because of the GM’s bad performance. Keith plays his heart out every night.”

    You DO understand the nature of no movement clauses, right? It doesn’t appear you do, so I will explain it to you.

    Keith has complete control of if he goes and where he goes. The Blackhawks actually do him a favor by asking him what he wants to do. They respect Keith a great deal. You obviously do not understand how the business side of the game works. If Keith wants to leave, the Blackhawks accommodate him. If he wants to stay, he stays.

    “Kane who is still a star will not hang around if Keith and Seabs leave because Bowman has never made a successful blockbuster trade, one that would put the Hawks back in the NHL as a contenders.”

    Do tell us all about your personal interactions with Patrick Kane and how he shared his inner most thoughts with you as to what he will do and not do.

    Share that with us right after you share your letter to Rocky Wirtz.

    “His only solution is to trade AA, Murphy and Forlsing (Ward and Kunitz retire) to clear money for Panarin and a top 4 dman) to draft in the top 3 or maybe first especially if you trade the above mentioned and call up duds like Sikura and the gang from Rockford. Tank, fire your buddy and make a quick rebuild.”

    Clear money for Panarin and a top 4 dman who magically appears and Keith and Seabrook and Toews and Kane. Like I said before but you fail to comprehend, you will have about a 10 man team and no salary room. But don’t let that reality interfere with your fantasies.

    When have I ever said Bowman is my buddy? I do not know him, at least I do not know him as well as you must know Patrick Kane since Kane obviously shared his inner most thoughts with you.

    How is your letter to Rocky Wirtz coming along? How come you never answer the question?

  41. Mo, I like your idea better … if we can get a 1st round pick from a trade. Ideally getting Hughes/Kakko is the best case, but getting a Turcotte with our 1st round pick and Knight with the 1st rounder acquired via trade. That would be a pretty good consolation prize.

  42. EB not saying i know the draft plans, but if a lottery type who steps in right away is landed, they will command the opportunity most likely to achieve big performance bonuses. So in order to accommodate that either Kahun or Strome would need to be moved to be able to carry that pick on the roster. If the pick is planning on going to university or stay in juniors or Khl or wherever then it be status quo as far as that is concerned.
    How that is handled after draft day should give an indication if not obvious what is intent there. Scouts are often off on who is ready too. None hardly had Kotkaneimi ready and he is doing very good, others like Zadina, Bouchard were thought to step in right away.

  43. We only going to have this bad of record last/this yr these two yrs. Unless we trade a lot and have 6 or more of 18 players being first yr/40 game players in all at once. Were got to be looking at at 16-22 pick for the 20 draft. Then 25-31 every yr after for yrs. So I want that top 6 skill for these two drafts/18 and 19. It also comes with a bonuses of 32-35 pick.

    That can be used to trade up. Whatever it takes to trade up for those guys. What ever way we do it. I want to do it do it. Go the full route. We paid all our dues after 2010 at once so we could reload the right way and the full way. We should always do that that way, even though 19 88 have 5 or more elite yrs left.

    Thats why I add Bread Man and a top pair Defensemen ufa style. Who cares about the most ideal cap hits for a 15 yr period. Lets stack the 5-10 yrs for 19 and 88. So what if those caphits wont look good in yrs 7-10, thats what it takes to win the Cup. Pay your dues, load the roster, then pay your membership fees for engravings.

    We need to replace 81 and 4. The reason why we have 10m now and more with trades is by not having those two players. Use it to get similar back. To me no matter how many blue chip/good prospects we have, we wont get back to top 3 team, without 81/4 quality put back in. They cost what they cost/caphit wise. So be it. Would it really make a difference if we didnt have 7 caphit right now, not at all. Only when we get deep again.

  44. It was a good thing 19 and 88 got player bonuses. I do not see anyone other then a Bread Man getting them. Some of it, sure, not all like Bread Man did.

    It is important like your saying to stay on top of that though. Thats why I was saying last yr to get it paid off, and during, so we have full usage/not hold back when were deep again in 2 yrs and then really deep in 3 and on.

    Thing is though, we should have the extra space when they are getting thiers and then paid off in time for bridge caphits and then prime yr contracts.

    You think it will be good timing on that.

  45. Mo saying Florida getting Bressard and Sheahan from Pens clearing cap space as both on expiring deals. Plan on making run at Panarin and Bobrovsky. Buyout Reimer too if they got them.

  46. Ian, I don’t share your concern regarding performance bonuses. If the 1st round pick we get plays well enough to get performance bonuses – that’s a good thing. I’m pretty sure there is a cap on performance bonuses so the most a player can earn is in the $3M range – so essentially the rookie making $1M ELC becomes a $4M player – not that big of a deal. Yes, the Hawks should account for the possibility but as it stands right now they will have enough cap space to sign a very good FA and still have cap space to pay rookie bonuses.

  47. Even though it the next yr caphit, I always looked at Bread Man caphit around 3m not .925 elc stuff. With those guys that would get more/not all of player bonuses they be about same right, 3m ish caphits players as elc guys. So there at their bridge contracts caphit from the start/2nd yr-layover, until contract after bridges. really only difference is those couple yrs/we cant use that to max then.

    Very important to stay ahead/on top of. Settle up, stay on track with them. Do not do a BOS.

  48. No they can only carry 7.5% of cap ceiling on their roster for potential bonsuses. Kahun 2.85m and Strome 2.475m account for 5.325m and with a 83m ceiling 7.5% is 6.2 m so no room that way is what i mean, if a lottery pick commands same bonuses.

  49. CHI deserve those two players, as ufas, not those bunch of puuuuuusies that won lucky that TAM didnt beat them up 3-2 games with back up goalie and garbage they didnt get bown out by WAS ans NAS who outplayed them by a lot. What they deserve is to trade away players and get nothing in return/like that.

  50. Ahh see what your saying. Could they decide if top 6 pick is Rockford first 40 games. Then decide on 24 or draft pick guy. Yea thats a thing.

  51. Mo thats why i said last spring when Kahun signed they expected him to be top 6. Giving him those potential bonuses is alot more than saying oh well he won’t get them anyways.

  52. Didn’t see the Strome Schmatz deal coming but limits on what you’re allowed were mentioned several times.

  53. Interesting comments from Duncan Keith from the locker room in Buffalo:

    When asked by Athletic’s writer about waiving his NMC:
    Duncan Keith: “I haven’t thought about it. I like it here in Chicago and nobody’s mentioned anything to me.”

    Then a follow up question from the same writer:

    Asked Keith if he’s up for a rebuild/retool: “What’s a rebuild or a retool, who knows what that is? New Jersey was good last year and now they’re not good this year. So what happened? I don’t know. … The league’s different now. One year you’re good, the next year you’re not.”

    Reading between the lines – Duncan Keith’s response might well have been: “I’m not going to answer those questions, it’s none of your business, and I don’t deal in hypotheticals.”

  54. Row
    One would hope that if/when a conversation between management and Keith takes place that Keith would have the truth told to him as he deserves, that we are going to suck the rest of this year and likely next year too. Or there is the chance that Bowman has a master plan to be competitive next year and make a run the following year based on things A, B and C happening. We won’t know about the conversation, or at least we shouldn’t. But personally, I don’t think Keith is up for a rebuild. He may be faced with a tough decision though considering his personal situation and his child, and whether he wants to have access to his child. That alone may be enough to keep him on our payroll for 4 more years. Or not.

    At 35 and with a child, life is a bit different than at 26, no child and a career in front of you. Keith obviously has all the leverage. He wanted it, got it, and now gets to use it as only he sees fit. He simply may no longer feel a responsibility to Hawks management and smile while saying, “No thank you. You got the best years of my life and I am here to stay”.

    That would be a huge wrench in our system. We do need him to help the Hawks one more time.

  55. I disagree. We don’t need Keith to help the Hawks, the Hawks need to help themselves if they want to be better. Better at everything, drafting, developing, trading, signing, evaluating, coaching. Same way as every other team.

    Keith is on a very reasonable contract. Even now for his level of play, it is a reasonable cap hit. Look around the league at how much other guys are getting who clearly suck, good lord, stop griping about Keith’s dollars. He is a hall of famer and the best Blackhawk defenseman in history maybe aside from Pierre Pilot. So at this point, whether he wants to stay or go is his right to decide, but he doesn’t need to do anything to help the Hawks. He helped us to 3 Stanley Cups, none of which would have been won without him.

  56. Agree with HereisMike–Keith deserves the choice and if he wants to go and it helps the Hawks in the long run then it’s a positive move for both.
    He has nothing left to prove in Chicago and maybe going to a Cup contender pumps him up and his last year or two of ‘good’ hockey will be positive move.
    He’s not a difference maker for the Hawks any more.

  57. I agree Mike that the contract isn’t a problem to the Hawks as far as cost is concerned – please show me where I griped about the dollars. Frankly, I don’t care what other teams and their players have for contracts and who is paying their players too much or too little based upon their skills. As far as what he has done for us in the past: I think the contract given to Seabrook was about the past. How does that one make you feel? The past is the past. Keith got paid what he agreed to get paid for those years. I don’t recall reading that he was held at gun point when he signed the deal. Did Hawks management get a good deal from him? Most would say yes. But all of that doesn’t mean he can’t now be in the way of a team in transition. His spot needs to be opened up to allow the next wave of Hawks Dmen to get the time they need to grow at the NHL level. He is part of a logjam of players on the team not capable of being top pair Dmen in this league. For those that think he is a top pair player, I hope at some point you can put loyalty aside and use your eyes. Can he play our top pair? Yes, because we really don’t have anyone else capable at this point, save Murphy, who is probably best suited as a 2nd pair guy most everywhere else, except where he would be a 3rd pair.

    We need Keith to step aside so we can grow, just like we need Seabrook moved at some point in the near future (I expect Seattle is his future home). It isn’t about the past, it is about the future. If Keith is to stay, then please pair him with Seabrook where he won’t hurt the growth of our young Dmen. I can live with that, for many of the reasons you stated he should stay. Slide that pair up and down the pairing slots together. Father time has caught up with Keith, yes, but not playing with Seabrook magnifies all of his aging issues exponentially.

  58. Agree Noonan. Keith not only deserves the choice, but he and he alone gets to make that choice, as his contract indicates.

  59. If Duncan wants to be traded that is up to him. He’s a warrior. I’ll definitely be rooting for him no matter where he goes.
    Quite frankly I would like to see him stay, but it’s his choice. I roll my eyes when I see posts about “dumping Keith’s salary” or “get rid of Duncan”. Yeah the 2015 stanley cup mvp. oooooookayyyyyyy. As stated by HEREISMIKE take a look around the league (heck look in the ahl to some degree) and you’ll see Duncan is on a very reasonable contract.
    Just my opinion but his inconsistency tells the tale that he’s not giving 100% every shift. What’s funny is people say “well he’s getting paid to play so he needs to play better” okay yeah, you’re right, but those same people are the ones talking about drafting Hughes………talking about it in December; even if the Blackhawks finish in last place I got news for you….there is a lottery with balls to determine who picks first. Point being; which is it; do you want Keith to give 100% every shift and help get the team to a bubble playoff spot or are you okay with the inconsistency which leads toward a last place finish? This is my case and point #1 for reducing keith’s minutes; to see what the rookies can do/get them the experience they sorely need. Which do you prefer?

  60. I’d like to add should the Blackhawks trade Keith and get a nice return for him. And should he go on to win a cup. And should that team face salary cap issues. I for one would not mind if Keith came back to Chicago in return for less than what they received for loaning him to the other team. I do not believe this scenario has ever taken place in sports; am I wrong?

  61. Any talk about toughness? Just sad how Buffalo forwards knock over Hawks D like bowling pins! There should be a stat for how many times players are dumped on their ass. It’s only first period- other than a stupid penalty by Gustafsson for shooting puck over the glass- play in the defensive zone still brutal

  62. What about the play of the great number 17? Watching him skate is brutal! Noooooooooooo speed whatsoever. Perlini will be on waivers or not resigned , once again, Bowman gets taken to the cleaners by another GM. Nick Schmaltz for Strome? Wow, pathetic. Poor Saad stuck with two more AHL/ECHL players in Kahun and Kampf. If you are trying to trade AA then you need to showcase him. Thus, why not have Saad, AA and Debrincat on a second line. I mean, what have Strome and the Cat done without Kane? Nothing. They can’t play 5 on 5 without Kane. Strome is just awful, has no impact on any equal strength shift.

    One last comment for Row, who are the best players again on the ice tonight? Tallon’s buddies, 2, 7, 19 and the great 88.

  63. Recliner, funny I was thinking same thing. Dunks goes for good return. Then in two yrs comes back for a smaller return we give. Then we have Dunks when were deep again. The return is a couple yrs of development. Dunks gets to carve his name himself in the hall of Blackhawks.

    Dunks could go to help team with picks/prospects. Otherwise I think he says F that, I am here for the ling haul and when team deep again, in 2yrs, I still will have a good stick.

  64. @ Hull65

    Thank you for making my role of thrashing you easier with your mindless drivel.

    Here goes, point by point as you once again get taken to Idiot Hell …

    “Once again Row, Denial is not just a river in Egypt. Hawks were built by Tallon period.”

    Bzzzt, wrong again. Just like you were wrong about Welcome Back Kotter. Go look at the 2015 Stanley Cup team roster and get back to me. You really need to learn how to read and comprehend what you read.

    “If our GM is in play for Panarin, Kane’s best friend, why did he trade him in the first place knowing Sharp was gone and Hossa 38 years old?”

    Ummm, contract concerns? Do you not get it, ever?

    “You always seem to bypass every single detail of your GM’s performance in drafting, trading and signing free agent college or KHL or czech players, some over 39 years old.”

    I have addressed every one of your questions and thoroughly thrashed you and your nonsense in the process. Sorry you’re not smart enough to figure it out. Maybe you should have someone explain it to you.

    “Answer the questions if you are so qualified in judging other opinions. Was trading Danault a great idea? Panarin? Teuvo? Johns? Saad? Panarin? No goalie drafted for depth in 2nd or 2rd rounds? Amazing, all you can do is actually reprint my facts.”

    You don’t know the first thing about facts. Remember, people laugh at you constantly. You are laughed at here. You even screwed up your reference to Welcome Back Kotter.

    The goalie question you keep asking I’ve already addressed five times, with a lengthy example about Carter Hart. Go read it. Again, have someone explain it to you if your elevator still can’t get up to the top floor. If you don’t know what that saying means, have someone explain it to you.

    Never said trading Danault was a great idea. Some trades work out, some do not. Especially when you make a trade trying to improve your chances of a long run in the playoffs. There are dozens of examples the last few years across the NHL but you are so fixated on Bowman you can’t seem to take your blinders off.

    Stephen Johns, I addressed that one too. Yup, the great Stephen Johns (whose name you misspelled) who is injured yet again and has contributed SOOOOOOO much to the wonderful success of the Dallas Stars. Look it up if you don’t believe it, if indeed you are capable of looking ANYTHING up.

    Teuvo, Saad, Panarin: Teuvo helped the Blackhawks win the Stanley Cup in 2015. Excellent contribution. Note he has not helped that Carolina team make the playoffs once in his tenure there. There is something to be said for that. Funny how you leave that little detail out in your Bowman hate.

    By the way, how is that letter to Rocky Wirtz coming, coward?

    Saad and Panarin. Let’s judge that trade after this year to see if Panarin signs with Columbus again, shall we?

    “Thanks by the way. Maybe you will see the light one day…like Anthony Louis making your lineup or Graham Knott or Iacopelli…Sikura…Kookoo? Kubalik???”

    Oh, I see the light alright. I can look right in one of your ears and see clear through to the other side. Is that the light you reference?

    As for the name dropping, I went through their drafts and listed it out for you that the Blackhawks have gotten at least two NHL players from every draft I listed. Obviously you were unable to read or comprehend that list. I suggest you go back and read it, and the rationale behind it. I know it is asking to much for you to actually comprehend something … so have someone explain it to you because you do not have the mental capacity to do so.

    “Ebony, glad you picked up on goalie Spencer Knight which I commented first last week, right ROW? We will not harp on Bowman bypassing Carter Hart, Gustafsson, or Matt Murray these last few years.”

    What has Spence Knight proven? ZERO. And I have already addressed the goalie situation countless times, you just refuse to read and comprehend.

    How about that scouting job the Blackhawks did finding Scott Darline? You know, the goaltender who helped them win the Stanley Cup? Why do you ignore that? And speaking of ignore, why do you keep ignoring the question of why you are too afraid to write a letter to Rocky Wirtz and post it here? Afraid you’ll be laughed at? Believe me, you are already being laughed at! Frequently, in fact.

    “Let’s hope our GM does not do anything silly that will put this franchise in a deeper hole. One more point, drafting Gravel in the 6th round tells you all you need to know about this orgaization’s eye for goalie scouting. Of course, ROW you must love Darling as much as Peeters, the soccer goalie. Where is that experiment?”

    “Let’s enjoy watching Tallon’s players tonight still carrying this team, 2, 7, 19, 88 because the rest of Bowman’s players are well, you know, last in the NHL standings. Keep Bowman.”

    Yup Saad’s goal was really nice. Who picked him? Caggiula had a nice goal too, who picked him? Even the goaltender you hate is playing well!

    Game, set, match. You lose again. You REALLY like getting thrashed.

  65. @ Hull 65

    “One last comment for Row, who are the best players again on the ice tonight? Tallon’s buddies, 2, 7, 19 and the great 88.”

    How about those nice goals from Saad and Caggiula?

    Game, set, match. You lose again.

    By the way, how is Tallon’s team doing in Florida?

    Double game, set, match. You are really on a losing streak!

    How is that letter to Rocky Wirtz coming along?

  66. @ Halktalk

    I think he’s more your type. You get a room with him, it, or whatever Hull65 is. I bet you two have a lot in common. Little to no hockey knowledge for one.

  67. @ Hull65

    Hey how about that goal by Connor Murphy huh?

    Who was he acquired by again?

    Hey how is Dale Tallon’s team down in Florida doing these days?

    And how is that letter to Rocky Wirtz coming along?

    They’re simple questions Hull65. Answer them.

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