Jets Come Back, Top Winless Blackhawks In OT

The broken record continues to play in Chicago.

Calvin de Haan and Robin Lehner made their Blackhawks debuts on Saturday night and Brendan Perlini saw his first action of the 2019-20 season. The brightest moment of the day may have been Kirby Dach being activated and sent to Rockford on a conditioning trip. Dach made his professional debut for the IceHogs.

In Chicago, the Blackhawks had another good first period. Their special teams were ideal: a power play goal and a short-handed goal.

Brandon Saad scored the short-handed marker and Brent Seabrook scored the power play goal. Chicago held a 13-10 shot advantage after one period and was up 2-0.

But there are three periods in NHL games, and the Blackhawks continue to struggle with the final 40 minutes.

Winnipeg out-shot the Hawks 11-6 in the second. Nikolaj Ehlers scored a power play goal to cut the lead in half.

Andrew Copp then tied the game at 11:44 into the third period. Chicago took the final three penalties of the night and two of them saw Duncan Keith and Saad, important penalty killers, in the box. The Jets out-shot the Hawks 11-10 in the third period.

Mark Scheifele then ended the game 47 seconds into overtime.

The Jets out-shot the Hawks 33-29 in the game. The Blackhawks also blocked 15 shots and were credited with 18 giveaways. The play was sloppy for most of the final 40 minutes and the Jets took advantage.

de Haan isn’t going to fix the issues by himself. Goaltending isn’t the issue; both Lehner and Crawford have been under attack in every game the Hawks have played this year. And staying out of the penalty box is an ongoing issue.

Chicago did pick up its first point in the standings for the new year, but the record stands at 0-2-1 and two of the losses have come against opponents that entered the game struggling.

88 thoughts on “Jets Come Back, Top Winless Blackhawks In OT

  1. Watched about half the icehogs game online. Lots of line juggling going on. Dach played a bit with Saarela and Quenneville as well as Moutrey and Hagel to start. Was strong on his skates. Tried receiving a puck off balance while getting hit, and the grand rapids player took the worst of it. Another time he lost the draw but the puck came back to him, took a cross-check for a penalty in the o-zone but still held on to the puck. He won every 50/50 board battle and stayed in front of the net when they were cycling. Big man.

    The bad…watched all of the 3rd period and parts of the 1st and 2nd. Went 0-7 at the dot.

  2. F#@k, I hate seeing Gus in OT! When Gus and Kane are on at the same time, the game is pretty much over as soon as the other team gains possession.

    Sell High Stan!

  3. The positive was not only most of the first but the physical play and pressure put on the Jets-then it stopped and two of the same themes emerged from last year-can’t hold on to a lead (the dreaded 2-0 lead) and the other team scores early and easily in overtime.
    Chris what defenceman should be out during 3 on 3-slow, slower, or slowest? Not many options other than Gus or Keith.

  4. Hawks played hard for 20 minutes. The last two periods not one prime chance. We can’t even get a 40 minute effort.

    Konroyd said in the first intermission “we have enough goals “. I thought WHAT?

    I don’t know what the answer is but this cast of characters is awful.

  5. I prefer DeBrincat with Strome. Let’s face it, this is a team that doesn’t consistently play with intensity. Colliton is too nice and too soft. Someone needs to light a fire under these guys.

  6. Damn it’s frustrating when Seabs–yes, Seabs–is consistently the most engaged player on the ice. I’m ready for y’all to come at me for that one. ……

    All we heard about pre-game was how decimated Winnipeg’s D was and….so, naturally the boys in red got out shot. Whyyyyyyy? (In my best Nancy Kerrigan voice)
    And stay out of the box, dammit!!
    Ugh.

  7. When they scored that first goal I thought “We need two more this period to offset the last 40 minutes”

    That was exactly what we needed. Lol

    Every game feels like “Groundhawk day”

    Oilers are next up. Should we just go ahead and pencil in the next loss?

    Oh…and lets hear it from the guy that comes in and says “its only 3 games, people. Sheesh” lol

    So De Haan isnt the savior. Lehner isnt the savior. Then it must be Dach. >snark<

    Stanbo…another step to the chopping block please. Thank you.

  8. I saw the same ludicrous comment from Konroyd about having enough goals. To me we are playing very tentatively, waiting for something to go wrong. Dcat cannot play on the 1st line – he is a major liability in the defensive zone. I stopped counting after five failures to get the puck out or making a bad turnover. I actually thought the defense played ok with DeHaan in and Gus on the 3rd pair. Forwards in our top 6 really struggled defensively. Teams are going to pinch aggressively knowing how weak we are breaking out. I’m pulling for JC but it could be coach Crawford by late next week if this crap continues.

  9. Bowman saddled Q w/ a terrible roster in order to cover his own behind and get rid of Q. Nevermind the fact he could have done that after two seasons ago instead of after last season started. Bad for the Hawks; good for Bowman.

    Subsequently, Bowman has certainly improved the roster, but his hand-picked green/deer-in-headlights coach sucks. Bowman won’t fire him now (like Savard was four games into ’08-09 season) b/c this would make Bowman look bad. Bad for the Hawks; good for Bowman.

    This is a recipe for continued downward spiral at best, disaster at worst. It’s not Colliton’s fault that Bowman took the above-stated course of action and they Colliton is not an NHL coach.

    This is on Bowman.

  10. What’s the point of Perlini dressing playing 7 minutes a game? Perlini is a skilled caliber player, not a fourth liner. He needs to play w high end guys, not fourth liners w little to no offensive game. The coach doesn’t like Perlini, that’s clear; maybe the coach is wrong about Perlini, he’s wrong about a lot of other matters.

    Maybe Perlini sucks, maybe he doesn’t, but the only way to find out is to give him a fair shot. As for the coach, there is not maybe, he sucks.

    Good evening.

  11. Rusty – seems like JC might be thinking Dach on Toews wing so faceoffs wouldn’t be an issue in that case

    I felt in the third that the game would end exactly how it did – they couldn’t generate any chances – they were going to have to win 2-1 and you knew that wasn’t going to happen – not with the Hawks inability to keep the puck out of their net when it matters

    Winning goal tonight suspiciously familiar to the SJ game – I think Copp was Toews’ man and then Toews gave up the puck weakly in OT and shuffled to the bench leaving the Jets with the numbers on the attack – result goal and loss

    Toews has yet to have a good game – what’s up with that?

    I didn’t think Caggs was that useful on Toews’ line whereas Perlini showed pretty well – maybe give him a shot there

    Overall they limited the high danger chances somewhat compared to SJ and they got their first point and their first period was well played so the first tangible signs of progress but I’m not coming in off the ledge just yet – need to see 60 minutes of hockey first

    The IC watch is still on IMO

  12. Saad – Toews – Kane
    Debi – Strome – Shaw
    Nylander/Perlini – Caggiula – Kubalik
    Kampf – Carpenter – Smith

    4th game of the season coming and my line blender imagination is already running on low. Dach seems needed. Caggiula can take draws at 1-out-of-3 just like everyone else so why not? He backchecks/forechecks.

    Top PP line with Toews/Kane/Debi/Strome/Gus needs to go away. I know it worked last year but it’s ice cold this year.

    I’m beginning to think the D scheme is trash. Good coaches build a system around personnel – you likely won’t find much success forcing a system. I like the recommendations out there to play a counter-attacking trap that really gums up the works blue line to blue line. It’s probable our D-men should stay camped near the posts/low slot and the forwards can play a drifting man-zone near the dots.

  13. Saw a stat today – only 9 teams since the 05-06 season have made the playoffs after being out of a playoff spot by 4 or more points by Nov. 1

    Puts the Hawks homestand until Oct. 29 in perspective

  14. Nothing has changed with this team.They are soft on the puck and can not maintain puck possession for a sustained attack.Captain Serious disinterested and out of position most of the night.This team could be out of it by Halloween.

  15. Wrap belueve it or not scoring chances 7-7 and high danger 3-3 in 3rd period, so opportunity was there if one of the big guns found a way to finish, it coukd been game over.

    Also rather doubt on tying goal with Gus over on boards with puck carrier that it was Dehaans job to go after puck carrier too. Maybe Toews could have covered him but can’t imagine both D are supposed to abandon the slot and go to one side after puck.

    Suprisingly they out hit the Jets 36 to 28, each team had 15 blocked shots and they did have 18 giveaways to Jets 14 but really i thought it was more but faceoffs everybody 50 % or better except Strome who was 2 for 10. Funny that line probably had best possession nos i’m gurssing.

  16. Agree with Iceman. This is all on Bowman. He hand picked this team and coach. There was no o zone time at all . If things turn around (which I doubt) I will be the first to give credit to Stan , as he see something on this team I don’t.

  17. Ms – I was screaming all of last year that Dcat can’t get the puck out of the defensive zone. He is a turnover machine at the blue line. Definitely has NOT improved this year. Was at the game tonight and barked at my son one of the times.

    Interestingly, my son’s fiance – who doesn’t know much about hockey – was there too. She had the comment of the night. After the winner in overtime, she asked why 88 was just standing there……….

    It’s time for someone to stand up on this team. 19 is awful in the offensive end. 88 looks disengaged. I figure they will be WAY over-matched against a strong skating team like Edmonton, so we probably will win that one.

    Yeah. Only 3 games. Together for all three, we have enough decent periods to make one game.

  18. Agreed aboot Debrincat in this game.

    He had 2 bad turnovers in the final minute of the 1st period and another in the final minute of the 2nd.

    Strome had a couple bad passes in the game too. Btw…he had this new workout this summer but he doesnt look better.

    I also agree aboot Toews. Seriously wth is going on with him. Nice defensive play saving that one goal but at the same time…yikes how that Jet player was sitting there like that.

    They can change the forward lines all they want but that doesnt keep the puck out of our net.

  19. Ian – on the game tying goal I initially thought it was Dehaan’s guy but when they showed it in slo mo you can see Toews had Copp and then drifts away as the puck went around the net.

    Also it is discouraging that with WPG having a make-shift defense with 4 new guys we weren’t able to generate more high quality chances. A few wins can quickly change things but it is a lot harder with the added pressure of the hole that has been dug so far.

  20. Here is an easy question? Oilers first line of Neil McDavid Draisaitl vs Hawks 1st line of Dcat Toews Cagg??? Who wins the battle for the puck in both zones? Answer anyone?Bowman and JC have to go. I have been saying this for the last 3 seasons if not more. Hiring a Div. 2 coach from Sweden who has no idea what it takes to make 2 lines able to compete every night, is nonsense. He has smurfs playing in the top 6.
    Unbelievable that SAAD is stuck on a 3rd line with two AHL caliber players in Kampf and Kubalik. Perlini and Saad need to be in the top 6. Toews is stuck with 12 and 91? and Kane is stuck with 17 and 65? 65 ahead of 20? DUMB and JC is simply a fool in headlights. Defence on the blueline is not the main issue.
    Here is the issue: Past facts: BUFF TOEWS KANE, SHARP TOEWS HOSSA, LADD TOEWS HOSSA, SAAD TOEWS HOSSA….. Tonight? DCAT TOEWS CAGG? Very funny JC, very funny.

    20 19 88
    12 17 11
    92 77 65
    15 22 8

  21. How many NHL games do 91, 92, 8, 64, 12, 17 have compared to Saad? How many cups do these guys have more than 20?
    How good would Neil and Saad look in a top 6 role on left wing for the Hawks Stan?

  22. We had them and that was a nice 2-1 win. Couldn’t help see there 2nd goal was an icing. I know they give leeway for around center ice, guy shot puck dump in, many ft before center line.

  23. Lines were better and Haan has us beating these top 10 teams 2-1.

    20 19 8
    12 17 88
    91 64 65
    15 33 11

    Keep playing to get to 4-4-2

  24. I know how the players feel- now that I’m older I can’t play 18 holes of golf, so I only play 9!!
    Why play a full 18 brutally, when you can play 9, just ok?!

  25. Watching this Hawks team early on gives us little to be excited about how this team will develop based on the first three games. Yes, it is a small sample. What is consistent thus far is the team play we are seeing this past 2 weeks is very similar to what we saw last year. D zone puck giveaways remain a constant. D zone coverage and inability of Hawks D corps to clear opposing players away from Hawks keepers is a pattern we have become used to now for the past 3 years. This can’t stay as it is.

    The Jets go ahead goal had 4 Hawks players committing to the puck leaving a guy wide open for an easy tap in. Not acceptable. Inability to keep possession clearing the D zone on multiple occasions is also not acceptable. The entire team is responsible.

    I am not sure why we are seeing this Hawks team lose whatever 1st period momentum throughout 2nd periods? It is as though there is a change in attitude, a lack of confidence. Of course there are many new players in this lineup on either of the red line. It does take time to fit the new players into “the system” whatever that is.

    Some positives I have seen so far come from Saad, Kubalick, Lehner, Carpenter, Shaw, De Haan? Toews and Kane just don’t look relaxed or happy. Then again why should they? Gus seems to have lost some of last years mojo and his defensive play actually seems even worse?

    Coach JC better find some line combos to benefit Toews and Kane. Keep D Cat with Strome. Saad ain’t a third line guy IMO, but the coach gets paid to get the right players together. The GM gets paid to give the coach options for the team to succeed.

    It all needs to get better in a hurry. Hawks need home grown points right here ,right now.

    Lets Go Hawks!

  26. Rusty what makes you think you can call someone a “buffoon” for voicing an opinion on this site? Your opinion means no more than anyone else’s. Tab I think it’s time for a Rusty timeout!!

  27. I’m looking forward to the Sabres coming to town on November 17. I like that Jokiharju guy they picked up. I’m hearing he has been really solid for them so far. Kind of reminds me a bit of when we stole Leddy from Minny. No actually that’s not true; it reminds me a lot, a whole lot.

  28. It’s the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over again. Bowman sucks. Colliton sucks. They should have signed James Neil. It’s been pointed out several times his name is James NEAL. It’s been pointed out more often that James Neal couldn’t be signed as the flames held his rights for 4 more years at 5.75 per. Yet refusal to acknowledge the faux pas or even lay a plan that could have landed such player.

    Want to say something stupid? Let’s discuss facts. Let’s discuss reality.

  29. No need to reply to Rusty, I am giving an opinion on the top six and Saad’s exclusion which remains a mystery. This coach has not figured anything out yet. 92, 91, 8, ahead or 11 & 20 is a dumb. No way 12 19 91 can compete with any top 6 in the NHL’s top 10-20 teams. That Bowman trade with the Coyotes saves Bowman only if Perlini makes it because Nick Schmaltz is a better, much better player than Strome.

  30. I suppose it can be, at least in part, attributed to human nature, but the negativity reveled in by some supposed fans is hard to understand for those of us not thusly predisposed. Reality can be elusive for both optimistic and pessimistic extremists, and perhaps my optimism is no more based on reality than those I call out on the pessimistic side of opinion … but I don’t think things are as dire as some believe. I see steps in the right direction, albeit baby steps with many more steps to go. I see Game-2 was better than Game-1 and Game-3 was better than Game-2.

    Will these baby steps get the team where it needs to go, in time? I don’t know but the trend is heading in the right direction and that gives me hope.

  31. ER, as far as optimism goes… This was the first game having your main D. Whether it was deHaans man or Toews is kind of a moot point. Id chalk that up to chemistry.

    If things don’t turn around Bowman probably will be fired and Colliton probably goes too. When the Hawks went on their run I don’t remember anyone thinking JC needs to be fired. That was what, 15 games ago?

    If Bowman gets fired, who replaces him? Throw out a name. Put a name behind your convictions. Let’s expand the dialogue. Who else goes besides the people you seem to despise in Mark Kelley, Gauthier, and Bowman?

  32. ER, lets see if your optimism remains when the Oilers play in tomorrows massacre.

    Did I say massacre? I meant to say massively important game. Haha silly me.

    Anyways, it should be a good massacre. Damn it!

  33. Rusty,
    Who knows. Thats a year away. Everybody was plucking Chicagos brass (Cheveldayoff, Bergevin) Im guessing Chicago would look around at other teams the same way.

  34. I have been a consistent supporter of SB but if JC fails then it feels like SB will have at most one more shot. There was a lot of talk over the summer that SB was going to get a contract extension. That did not happen – anyone have any info on what happened?

  35. I was surprised when I heard aboot that extension talk. My stance was that you wait and see how this year goes before you hand out an extension. Looks like they smartened up and realized the same. Would have looked really stupid to hand out an extension and then fire him after that.

  36. I am a lurker. I read the comments here often but rarely comment. I couldn’t help myself this time because of the vein of anger, hopelessness and despair running through this group of bloggers.

    First, Rusty Shackleford, you might try some Valium.
    Second, there have been 3 games, all of them close. There are 79 more to go.
    Third, the rest of you, have a beer, enjoy some football.

  37. I have never been a Stan fan, but he did make some good moves last year (although he overreached as well). That said, these are my three nails for Stan’s coffin:

    1) A lacklustre season (it should be clear by Jan/Feb)

    2) Slow development of the last two draft classes (in fairness it take more time than that but Stan arguably went off the board with all three first round picks so they have to do at least as well as the guys they passed on or you have to really question his choices).

    3) The Joki deal. That was a bad mistake and everyone knows it.

  38. I’ll say a fact, the Nylander trade seems to be pretty stupid. Joker getting solid minutes in Buffalo while we have a show pony with no heart in Nylander.

  39. EB not that i’m beating the can Bowman drum, but it could happen if things don’t turn around, Mark Hunter is somebody who might fill the void. Not sure with circus around the Leafs getting players signed last couple of years they may wish Hunter stayed and Dubas walked if they could do it over. I think we will see a turnaround before then though and calmer heads will prevail.
    Actually i said all along Colliton has alot of proving to do and continue to think that, liked his committment to defense and hoped it was going to be a lot smoother than it has been so far. Not sure if it’s the teaching old dogs new tricks syndrome or not.

  40. I’m purely in a show me mode with this team. Yes, the early season games have been close meaning little things corrected can mean the difference between winning and losing. That’s the edge between winning and losing where pro sports are played. In the meantime, I don’t expect this team to win games at home any more like I used to 3-5 years ago. That’s just where this team in right now and where it has been for some time. Talent wise the players need to step up and compete to their level. Hopefully, with another week or so this group starts finding some collective positive chemistry. Winning does wonders for confidence. This teams needs a few on this home stand. Hawks play in a very tough division.

    Let’s Go Hawks!

  41. Well, to be fair, Colliton will make changes as he sees the truth on some guys and also discovers where players fit better. I think hes trying to give his boss what he wants by showing what Nylander is. This way Stanbo cant get angry at Colliton for not giving Nylander a fair shake. (How did 95% of fans see this was a bad trade and yet Bowman could not?)

    What has me so distraught is the effort. A whole summer and players chomping at the bit to start the season full of excitement and yet they lose focus after one period every game.

    I get the chemistry part tho…that takes 20 games or so when you overhaul 1/3rd of the roster. Problem is, where is the team in the standings after those 20 games?

  42. ER, I really think it takes 5 or so games to get up to speed. We do have problems and I didnt think we would be this bad, but it start right off the bat in preseason scrimmages in first one of those, still the same. I havnt seen 60 min of any of the games so far, I will, so I cant say but going by what everyone is posting on stuff.

    I will watch 60 min of games, every game, starting around game 6 as I think its games 6-10 that we are able to start ‘playing’ but for what you guys post about things its pretty shitty. Just like last yrs 6-2-2 start I would have ever thought we go 3-16 after that and though we were back, in a way.

    This yr is different having a very good 2nd 40 games and now having a full roster and 6 NHL defensemen. I still wait for game 6-10 to see what we have now, not this crap you guys have seen. I cannot believe we would be this bad, yea every game been one goal game, but need to be Way better and I think we are.

    WITF is it taking this long to get used to system and D not get its head screwed on right, FW to. After doing good woth it 2nd 40 games, why do we not pick up where we left off and keep going up side with this system. That just makes no sense to me.

    Phil, I think its the long change for 2nd periods. Cant only be that we just seemed to be effected by that, multiplies on us for some reason. Cant play real hard for 60 so theres always a period we coast a little. Once we start playing good 2nd then we start bad, remember those games last two yrs. Heck even when we were dynasty yrs we had same thing for 2nd periods.

    Yea Saader and those others look good and I havnt seen enough of the games to really say, going by you guys and others. I am surprised 15 doesnt look better maybe he is still hurt? Didnt he get banged up in preseason. I kind of felt Gusto wouldnt get 60 pts again. Still could. I do not think its like Saader last yr first 10 games but everyone wanted Saader gone during those first 10 games.

    I said you can always cut a tree down later you cant put it back. Well after those first 10 games last yr. Saader is back and think he can get back to like he was in 2013 2014 2015 if he keeps coming and gets all the way back. Then we can that 20 65 88 line again.

  43. For right now I would go with to get us over this hump and I beliveve, once we fixed our problems that we can control, we start to play better good when we get to games 6-10 and normal sch. The sch. even though not 2 games in 11 days and then 2 in like 7 days, has like 5 games in 7 days thats crap to, its too many. Those fukkers need to do 3 or 4 every 7 days and then that would make a difference, big difference.

    But we need to play right and fix our problems or sch wont matter nor will any goalie.

    If he wants 3rd line same
    65 19 88
    12 17 91 I like this for 2nd
    20 64 8
    15 22 11

    Otherwise
    20 19 65 I like this for 1st
    12 17 91
    8 77 88
    15/11 22 64

  44. Hull, why stop there? Shouldn’t we slaughter all remaining members of the Wirtz family? And maybe burn down the United Center?

  45. “hockey people”

    Maciver has been in hockey continuously since the 70s. After his pro career ended he immediately became a college coach. Seems like a hockey lifer.

    Gauthier has been an NHL scout at minimum since 1981.

    Kelley has been an NHL scout since 1988.

    Colliton is young for an NHL coach no doubt. But has been in professional hockey for 15 years. Twice represented Canada in the u20s. Paul Maurice was a favorite of Peter Karmanos having been a player then a coach with him dating back to junior hockey. Karmanos fired Paul Holmgren and replaced him with 28 year old Paul Maurice. Maurice had never advanced past junior hockey coach prior to 12 games as NHL assistant when Holmgren was fired.

  46. Thats what the bad guy says in highlander movie, burn it down, for the village. Sounds like a red coat from the patriot movie to. Fire the house and barns.

    We got shit to do, we do that then the team looks real good for going forward. Full roster and blue chips coming. Kubalik is a good player glad I was right on that. make tweaks finetune roster this summer once we know who fits and doesnt, with the good young wave coming. In the meantime get shit together, move your ass.

  47. Ask Toews if he would rather player with Saad or Cagg? or Nyklander? of Kubalik? Let’s be serious, Saad does not deserve to play with 8 and 64, 2 AHL players!

  48. Was reading the most recent piece by Mark Lazerus on the Athletic about what the Hawks could do to “fix” things and he gave his line combinations. It was eerie because his proposed lines were exactly what I was thinking the Hawks should do:

    Saad-Toews-Kubalik
    DeBrincat-Strome-Kane
    Shaw-Kampf-Perlini
    Smith-Carpenter-Caggiula

    I suspect that Perlini will not be anywhere near the top nine. I am unsure why he is perpetually in the dog house but he is, so I think that if the top 2 lines look like this, Caggiula and Perlini would swap third and fourth lines, though having both Caggiula and Shaw on the same line seems redundant…

    Anyway, I was a little freaked that Lazerus had the same line combo I was thinking about…

  49. Practice lines for 2nite.
    12 19 91
    65 17 88
    20 64 8
    15 22 92

    Nylander on 4th for Perlini, hmmm

    2 5
    6 7
    44 56

    50

  50. Kubalik has arguably been the Hawks best player. Goes to the net. Has size. Awesome shot. Will hit.

    AHL player? From the same guy that thinks Perlini is a top 6 player.

    Perlini skates fast. Has a good shot. And size

    Won’t hit. So size is worthless. Hockey IQ is lacking.

    Kubalik all day long.

  51. It is still too early to really know how this will end but it certainly seems like we were fed BULL SHIT HYPE again. This team appears to be absolutely nothing going nowhere. As I said before though looks like we will again get another top draft pick. We are the new Oilers.

  52. To be 500 after homestand the Blackhawks got to find away to go 3-1-1 against Oilers, Jackets, VGK, Caps and Flyers.
    After that visit Canes home against Kings then on road for 4 games 1st Preds and 3 games in 4 days in California. Then 3 more games in 4 days, host Canucks and back to back @Pens, host Leafs. From that point after that game to Christmas will be their toughest part of the schedule believe it or not.
    Really going need to pull it together fast to keep the year from getting away.

  53. Rusty, it’s useless trying to have a conversation with someone who thinks they know it all. The ample redundant comments prove the opposite is actually true. One of the tells is when he uses the phrase, “Let’s be serious…,” to accompany something he pulls out of his ass.
    Kubalik has indeed been the best surprise thus far. Really like his game and hope he continues to improve. Great skater, big body, wicked shot. And the D needs time to gel together IMO, so that could take a number of games before we can really judge.

  54. Morrison….I think that the 7-8 new players on the roster is the reason why we need 10-20 games to get in the new system like last year.
    30% of the team arriving from different system and team.
    I beleive that Colliton will start to see what kind of players he will keep or move to Rockford or maybe trade in the next 2-4 weeks
    Nylander will probably be move to Rockford iff he doesnt work more ..
    Off course i am disapointed but far from panic .
    3 games played 79 more game to get to playoff
    Remember St Louis last year after 20-30 games …last place .

  55. 20100 just watching Blues Isles game, in the 2nd period IsIes had 2 shots in1st 2 mins and only 1 inast 18 mins, it was 180 ft, clearing attempt that went on goal. Isles for part played period 0-0. Thats where Blackhawks have to get up to pace with the good teams to be competitive, play 2nd periods even and not get caught on long shifts with bench at other end of ice.

  56. Looking around the league there seem to be very few teams that play as poorly as the Hawks do consistently. Blame that on players, Colliton, Bowman or whoever you want. If you can’t see that then I invite you to watch some other teams games. Should take about 1.

    New slogan: take it up the rear for Lafreniere!

  57. Hawk20100 – I have no issues with the statements you make, however we have been told by executives, SB and JC that this will be a much better team this year with clear expectations of reaching the playoffs. Much has been made about the 2nd half improvement last year and then having the full summer and training camp to get everyone on the same page with the systems. I have been a supporter of most of the moves that were made and I am not in a panic mode but I can’t act like what I am seeing is exactly like last year. If it is going to take several weeks to figure things out there is a good chance that the playoffs will be a pipe dream. I really hope I am wrong and would love to eat some crow but count me as very concerned right now. Also our talent is nowhere near as good as the Blues last year so I wouldn’t expect we could pull off a turnaround like they did.

  58. MS if you remember at this time last year, we were posting that due to the schedule they would a better team 2nd half. May have a played a big part of turnaround. March this season from schedule alone should show a big improvement. Still hopeful they turn this year around yet though.

  59. “we are the oilers”

    The oilers dating back to 2009 have picked 10,1,1,1,3,7,1,4,22,10,8. This isn’t the Oilers.

    Hawks in that same period have been 28,24,18/26,18,30,20,54,39,29,8/27,3

  60. I generally like to be optimistic regarding the Hawks – it’s more fun – but I find it hard to be optimistic at the moment

    Try pretending that you’re a fan of another team and you turn on a Hawks game – your first and second reaction could very well be 1) they’re not very good and 2) they’re not well coached

    I’m prepared at admit I’m wrong if JC can turn this around but if I’m being objective that’s what I see and it pains me because I thought Colliton was going to have this team playing much better by now

    We’ll see if tonight’s game can start to bring my optimism back although I would feel better if Lehner were starting TBH and I thought Perlini was more useful than Nylander and should be played more but then I’m not an NHL head coach

  61. A lot of banter about the forwards- but really IMO, it’s been the lack of strong defensive play since 2016 that has spiralled the team downwards. If this doesn’t change history will repeat itself. SB needs to deal with Seabrook & Keith, Gustafsson and whatever JC’s system might be- sloppy, low percentage clearing passes, lack of physical presence and poor coverage needs to be addressed. Speed and physical presence vs Oilers will be a real test for sure!
    Lastly, the goaltenders need more support- SOG will likely rival last years brutal statistic, if nothing changes.
    Go Hawks!

  62. Miro, I like this and theres something about 91 on 2nd line that brings speed to every 4 lines. Everyone wants us to load top 6, to get us going, thats fine. We need one more good player for 3rd line and then we have that good player and Shaw and Kane by having Kubalik with 20 8.

    20 19 88
    12 17 91
    11 65 8
    15 22 64

    Hawks2010, yea I think the thing people really do not like is seeing the D do the same thing as last yr but as I thought we would start right off where we came from gales 30-82 last yr. It is that many new players, which I think are better players and full roster which we didnt have last two yrs.

    So you have your normal 15-20 games to get into chemistry and I always think the 5 or so are just getting up to speed, no matter what kind of team you got. Then you throw in the 8 of 23man is new and the sch is stupid for us the first 10 games. Our problems are things we can control and need to but those other things have to play out.

    Then I think were cooking, even if were behind who cares everyone plays 82 games and we ll have more games to play, when were actually ‘playing’ and playing better good with new guys more acclimated. We just have to suck it up and have faith that once we ve played enough games its going to click. No matter how shitty it looks at times.

  63. Rusty, yea I am glad I called Kubalik being good during the summer. I had a feeling about this dude.

    Ian, were prob not going to have a good first 10 games, I think we start to do better games 6-10. Not worried about home games vs road games, like Phil said we might be a better road team for the 1st 40 games anyways. Sure we donot want to get too far behind but once we get this machine rolling we ll get it back to .500 and then go from there like last yr.

    The only thing we cant do is have a 3-8 and 0-8 section like last yr and still was right there for playoffs at game 70. So avoid those 3-8 and 0-8 and I think were fine for having a fair chance to put up good enough record to be 4 or 5 seed. Not going to get worried about first 10 games record wise because were not playing good sch sucks and we have lots of new guys who will take 10-20 games before they know how to play our system anyways.

    Its just what happens when you have new guys it takes them time like that. I cant wait for game 20-40 and I look forward to games 6-10.

  64. I am concerned that if we do not wake up and new guys learn system like the guys did last yr after 10-20 games then we could have a problem. That would get us another top 5 skill blue chip player and that might be better for the medium long run but dam we really should be going forward this yr, starting with 2nd 40 games last yr. It wasnt just sch though it was a normal sch those 2nd 40 games.

    Anyways I want to see us fix what we can control, look forward to games 6-10 and want to see us start flying around game 15 or 20 chemistry wise and bring it. Or yea there no excuse were not good with a full roster and adding good players that we had holes in spots last two yrs.

  65. I guess JC thinks he is on a large ice and in Div.2 Sweden because watching poor Toews having to dig every single puck away from the Oilers huge players (Neil etc…), while the smurfs Cagg and Dcat get pushed around like rag dolls… is sad.
    Perlini not dressed while Cagg is???

  66. Decent first period, kerp it going in the 2nd now, start doing that and things will turn in the right direction pretty quick.

  67. Chill….Neal…Neallllllllll…Cagggggggg the whole season Toews stuck with Cagg….
    Wow…tough to focus when you see poor Jonathan playing defensive hockey all game…

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