Jonathan Toews Hurt, Blackhawks Lose To Pens

Jonathan Toews was hurt by the hit above and did not return to the game on Sunday night. And, contrary to what the broadcast crew may have said immediately following the play, leaving your feet is not a clean hit.

Brooks Orpik has done this before and will probably do it again. As Mike Milbury said after the game, Orpik has never answered the bell for one of his cheap shots. Sunday night was no different, and the Pens skated away with a 4-1 win.

Sheldon Brookbank scored his second goal of the year to account for the Blackhawks offense. James Neal and Lee Stempniak scored in the first period and Sidney Crosby scored twice in the third (one into an empty net) for Pittsburgh’s offense in the game.

Unfortunately, the final score on Sunday night means little in light of the injury to Chicago’s captain.

Orpik’s history was chronicled by NBC SportsNet after the game while Milbury presented the list of dirty plays in Orpik’s history. Earlier this year he injured Boston’s Loui Eriksson, which led to Shawn Thornton mauling him and earning a lengthy suspension.

Yet there was no call on the ice.

After the game, coach Joel Quenneville told the media that Toews is day-to-day. He added: “I don’t think it’s serious.”

Tomorrow we’ll find out more about the severity of Toews’ injury, and if the league office has the stones to do something about a notoriously dirty player injuring another star.

Finally, the Denver Post’s Adrian Dater showed some class on Sunday night.

Dater

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106 Responses to Jonathan Toews Hurt, Blackhawks Lose To Pens

  1. Windy City Z says:

    Orpik left the F#%K!N ice & launched himself at Toews head…and No penalty called? AND nobody from the Blackhawks does anything? Nobody on the Blackhawks had enough heart to standup for their Captain down two F’n goals??

    WTF?!? Shanaban better ban that POS for the rest of the year.

    If Toews is out for any postseason time and with Kane just coming back…that’s alot to overcome for any team, but with the way the Hawks have been playing lately it seems insurmountable. You can’t just flip a switch and turn it on for the Playoffs.

    The Hawks retained pretty much the whole team this year for another run, and yet Q, even before the injuries, was still juggling lines 9 months after winning the Cup with the same guys. Q constantly says that the Blackhawks are tough to beat when they are rolling 4 lines, but at the very first sign of adversity he throws the lines into a blender, ditches the plan, shortens the bench, and stretches his “go to” guys to the limit with minutes & exhaustion.

  2. Mike57 says:

    How the hit on Toews was not boarding I will never know. Guys like Orpik that show no respect for their competitors are the dirtiest players around. Sure wish later in the game when Keith had a chance to lay one on Crosby along the boards he would have laid him out. That’s how you answer the Orpik play if he “doesn’t believe in fighting”
    I agree with Tab , leaving your skates to make a hit HAS to be a penalty.
    This season just gets scarier as it goes on.

  3. Phil says:

    I am completely gutted by this game tonight. Worst nightmare is being realized. This team does not care. Didn’t think I would say that with this group. They can’t let the Cpt get run with ZERO response. Troy Murray at least called it right. This is one of the lowest moments in Hawks history in my mind. It’s on the players first and then it falls on the coaches.

    I go from watching 17 seconds video this afternoon to the depths of this shit? You can’t make this stuff up.

    The score of this game tonight meant nothing. Will be fascinating to see what Hawks PR damage control comes up with next 4 days. This is a mess.

  4. morrison says:

    The league is a joke/disgrace for suspensions and because of that the head hunting & leaving feet and hitting high/upward wont stop… Until the league suspends these flatlanders for 40, 80 and 160 games. I think the NHL should have no inter-conference games in the last 20 games of reg. season, its just a cheapshot no risk time to attempt to injure other teams top players.

    I was proud of Thornton for hitting that pansy back. Wheres the Karma for people like that. Even when Thornton puts him where he belongs for cheapshots, he does it again. That’s why they need 40/80&160 game suspensions.

    Bottom line, He left his feet.

  5. morrison says:

    Thank god Tazer is going to be ok. We would be in deep shit if we didn’t have him for playoffs. Just imagine Boston trying to play without Rask.

  6. Windy City Z says:

    Here is the GIF that shows it perfect, Orpik launches and aims right for Toews head…

    http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/24508264/gif-jonathan-toews-injured-from-brooks-orpik-hit-leaves-game

  7. Mike57 says:

    Definition of Boarding:
    41.1 Boarding – A boarding penalty shall be imposed on any player or goalkeeper who checks or pushes a defenseless opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to hit or impact the boards violently in the boards. The severity of the penalty, based upon the impact with the boards, shall be at the discretion of the Referee.

    There is an enormous amount of judgment involved in the application of this rule by the Referees. The onus is on the player applying the check to ensure his opponent is not in a defenseless position and if so, he must avoid or minimize the contact. However, in determining whether such contact could have been avoided, the circumstances of the check, including whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously with the check or whether the check was unavoidable can be considered. This balance must be considered by the Referees when applying this rule.

  8. Hawkey says:

    Rose colored glasses. Love the hawks. Hate to see Toews take a hit like that. But it looked clean to me. Sure his skates come off the ice. But they always do when you see it in slo mo, whether clean or dirty. Just like a charge in basketball. The feet are always moving a little. Orpik is a POS. But I don’t see any penalty there, and no shanny discipline. It just bugs the crap out of me that there’s nobody on the hawks delivering any lumber. Saw a Hammer stat tonight. 35 hits all year. Less than one every 2 games. Argh.

  9. morrison says:

    Not argue/disagree with you Hawkey but his left foot left ice well before any contact.

  10. Mike57 says:

    I guess the question is How do you retaliate when I guy like Orpik won’t fight?
    Looked like Hossa went right to him and was chirping him pretty good but if I guy refuses to fight you lose a guy to a long suspension? My answer was the Hawks needed to run at Crosby when they had a chance and Keith had a chance behind the Hawk net. What ways would get the revenge that Milbury and Jones were looking for?

  11. morrison says:

    Somebody that’s not needed as much (52/17) needs to hit/check him high (or 87) and not worry about a 2 game suspension. The league only suspends for 2-8 games, Oooh.

  12. morrison says:

    That’s why I think they need 40/80/160 games suspensions depending on how dirty they are. Thornton took care of that flatlander properly because he knew the league wouldn’t eyeforeye, put him where he belongs. What happens mths later, he does it again anyways. These certain few guys never learn and wont stop until their suspended for 80 games. Then they cant do it again, at least until 12 mths from then.

  13. morrison says:

    If the league is a joke for suspensions, then the only thing you can do is what Dunks did when Sedin tried to injure him with a elbow/shoulder to head, Dunks gave him a eyeforeye (same exact thing he did first) elbow to head back. Dunks has never before/still or never would unless it was done to him.

    The guy who does it first should get the extra penaltys because nothing would happen if that person didn’t do it to begin with.

    What does the league always do, punish the guy who retaliated more. That’s backwards because it never would have happened if the first guy didn’t commit crime and go un punished/punished properly by refs/league.

    Dunks deserved the 5 games, but Sedin deserved 7-10 (if dunks got 5).

  14. morrison says:

    What matters is our guys and that Tazers ok. Something like this may wake us up.

  15. RyanDale says:

    What part of the play or reaction of, can you call surprising? Nothing comes to my mind

    Orpik involved,.. check
    Hawks do nothing, …check

    Im a bit old school, If you take down a C, you gotta pay some how, some way. Hawks just dont do it. Our goalie got run a little the other day, Smith was right there. and doing nothing but standing still, We just let it go. Good or bad is arguable till the second coming of 99

    I dont think Ive heard Troy that upset on post game before

  16. JS says:

    People probably should have had a drink and relaxed after the game.

    Hit was borderline at best. I don’t think he left his feet until after contact was made. Toews had his head down and got blasted, that is what is supposed to happen when you skate with your head down. And retaliation is childish, even though it would have made everyone feel better.

    In fact, when Shaw was trying to retaliate, he damn near took off Sharp’s arm. You know, when he leaped off the ice to try to hit Orpik.

    Anyway, another head scratching effort from the Hawks. Pretty obvious they are in coast mode going into the playoffs. Really hope they can get some of these bad habits worked out before the real games start.

    Handzus skated 8 minutes in a game that Toews went down with an injury. Value!

    Sigh, hope Toews is ok or the playoffs aren’t going to be very fun.

  17. Fan since 2012 says:

    Clean hit. Just cuz it’d toews don’t get your panties in bundle.

    Orpik’s feet were on ice at time of contact and direct head contact was never made. Watch the vid…shoulder was initial point of contact and toews head didn’t move a bit any differently than the rest of his body when orpik hit him. Toews head was down too.

  18. Rufus T. Firefly says:

    The play says it all. Listening to Hossa’s post game comments says it all. Bottom line, this team wants to take off the skates for several months. They will get there wish after round one.

    Keith is letting the Norris vaporize from his grasp too.

    Go 2014-15 Hawks.

  19. Jax says:

    Your captain gets lit up and no reaction at all? You have to ? the heart and stones of all team and staff. Anybody have a pulse left?

  20. Negzz says:

    Incredibly frustrating on several accounts.
    1. Clearly a hit delivered with intent to injure. No penalty called is outrageous oversite(just like the Hossa/Torres hit a couple of years ago), and then having to listen to Engbloom defend the hit as “clean” made me want to puke. Props to Milbury to say it like it is and then to chronicle Orpik’s history when talking head again reiterates that he doesn’t agree with assessment he “intends to injure”.
    2. Pathetic lack of response from Hawks to this hit also makes me want to puke. Mike is right, you need to respond by running at 87 if Orpik won’t answer if not for pride and integrity purposes, for future deterence.
    3. Unfortunatey, Hawks are built as a soft, skill team and have been for last couple of years. People who post here and loathe fighting and physical play had better own this type of outcome. Your stars will be run over and the other team knows you have nothing with which to respond. Even more disgusting is the lack of will and character to answer for your captain. A low moment for me as a 50-year Hawks fan..

  21. noonan96 says:

    The hit was really questionable but more concerning that the team really did nothing to address it. If you go at your leader yo.u pay a price ( I missed parts of the game so perhaps I’m wrong)

    Hits were 39 to 21 against the Hawks and this is a regular stat-they get out hit almost every game and it’s usually not close-I realize they are a puck possession team so they have the puck more often than most. I’d like to see them close the physical gap, but I guess you can’t put a square peg in a round hole.

  22. JS says:

    Alright, I’m sold! When someone delivers a clean hit, you should intentionally try to injure one of their players. Then, after you do that, they can injure one of your other players to re-retaliate for your retaliation. THEN, you get to go after another one of their stars to re-re-retaliate!

    Win the f’ing game.

    Please remember that Orpik was assaulted by Thornton earlier in the season. I guess he didn’t learn his lesson? Please. This isn’t the 80′s anymore.

  23. Pete says:

    The team doctor probably examined the shoulder and said its unlikely to be a rotator cuff etc. Otherwise I doubt Q would have said day to day. My question is why is Bolig on the team if he doesn’t respond by getting physical on Orpik or even Crosby? I’m not saying a cheap shot, but something!!! Pittsburgh is already in the playoffs just like the Hawks and Orpik lined him up so that deserved something hard back and it didn’t really happen. On another note, it looked like Handzus was benched and the Hawks played better without him. Did Q finally have a watershed moment on that? TT looked good, but not in synch with his teammates on some of the passing. That should improve each game. At this point, I think these last few games are nothing more than injuries waiting to happen. They should just protect the team as best they can and get ready for the playoffs even if they lose every game from here on out until the playoffs start. Who cares about home ice.

  24. Ernie says:

    Go on PHT and look at the comments section. Its crazy the amount of bias in the Penguins favor. Pens fans went off on Milbury for his comments and blamed it on him holding a 20 year grudge. Orpik launched himself into Toews. He started low and ended high. Reminds me of the Gryba hit. Where he made body contact first, but also got a good portion of his head.

  25. ebonyraptor says:

    There’s a bunch of nonsense being posted here. First, the hit was clean. Orpik didn’t “launch” himself any more that any time a player makes a hit. He gathered himself and exploded into the hit. That’s the way hits are done. His skates didn’t come off the ice until after impact and that’s just physics and not “launching”. Second, the impact was shoulder to shoulder as evidenced by Toews grabbing his arm like he had a separated shoulder. Toews head was hit because he he started to duck at the last split second which then caused Orpik’s shoulder to ride up and impact Toews’ head. Third, Toews failed to follow Hockey 101 by not keeping his head up so he could have seen the hit coming and protected himself. It was obvious he was fumbling with the puck in his skates trying to gain control but there is a timer that should go off in a players head when he’s in a vulnerable position for longer than is safe without a peek at what’s coming. Toews hung in there that extra split second trying to get the puck under control and he paid the price for it.

    I hate the Orpik got a hit on Toews like that and I’m disappointed that the Hawks didn’t have anyone stand up and do a Shawn Thorton on Orpik. But by the rules that was a clean hit and if the situation were reversed there’s a lot of Hawk fans that would be cheering for a monster hit.

  26. Rufus T. Firefly says:

    I’m 51 and have seen 4 decades of the NHL and the Blackhawks. That play? Take away the emotion and it was simply a big hit on Toews who inexcusably has his head down at that second. Of course Oprik us going to level him. That’s what his role is for crying out loud. I’ve watched the play a few times now and don’t see a guy purposefully leaving his feet. I just don’t. That said, the non reaction of the Hawks to their Captain or any skill player being blown up is inexcusable and deeply troubling. Shaw is the only member of this club who can hold his head up tonight. Sharp can crawl back under his rock so far as I’m concerned. His teammates do everything possible to prop up his chances of making the Canadian Olympic team and this selfish bastard can’t be bothered to lift a finger for this team when most needed for the last 6 weeks. Well fuck you Patrick Sharp because you have methodically put yourself on my shit list you selfish gutless asshole.

  27. RedTopParking says:

    This is precisely what I hate most about the new NHL. If a Blackhawk were to really retaliate like it used to be done he’d be gone for 2 games min. Still absolutely no excuse, though, that POS Orpik should have been run outta the bldg. and screw Shanaban. Gretzky very rarely mistreated because Semenko and/or McSorley would cave in your skull. Saw an old youtube other night of one of my favorite oldtimers the legendary John Ferguson of Montreal. Some idiot took liberties with Beliveau in the corner. Fergie was there in a heartbeat, gloves flying off on the way over, pounding the shit out of the guy landing six punches before he even slowed his stride. The league has basically banned this now. Listen to Don Cherry on this subject, he’s right when he rails against league policy on the “instigitaor”. People like Orpik (or numerous others like him before) aren’t going away, it’s the inability – and, yes, unwillingness – of teams to protect their own, on the spot, where it should be handled, like it used to be. That’s been the only real deterrent. I’m still sick that someone didn’t run Orpik no matter the consequences

  28. Pete says:

    I saw Sharp hit Orpik hard in the corner. In fact I thought he got hurt on the play. The issue I have is Bolig. Its his job to respond and he really didn’t. Since his skill is limited I don’t see why he would be on the team if he doesn’t respond to a situation like tonight’s game.

  29. Tab Bamford says:

    Running Crosby wasn’t going to fix/change anything. Orpik has been doing this for years – and getting away with it. Blackhawks fans are now understanding reactions from Boston fans when Shawn Thornton jumped him earlier this year.

  30. Pete says:

    Tab, did Bolig do enough to justify his spot on the team in your opinion?

  31. SouthSideHawkMan says:

    maybe this is the wake up call the Hawks need? Another poor showing

  32. Pete says:

    Also, what does the board make of Handzus not playing much? Has Q changed his tune on him?

  33. Rufus T. Firefly says:

    Oprik is a lot if things, but his hit was him fulfilling his job description. It was not a dirty play. The tragedy of the evening was that 10 other forwards and 6 defenseman sans Andrew Shaw carried on with life on the ice. Cowardly. Inexcusable.

    The inevitable Shanaban suspension for retaliation isn’t the issue. The issue is standing up for a skill player and the pride of the Indianhead sweater. Reaction is not to be based on whether it was a clean or dirty hit …that is irrelevant to the matter at hand.

  34. wall says:

    I wish I had a transcript of what 81 said to Orpik right after the hit.

    Pens scored on the MAJORITY of their odd man rushes…(3 g’s)
    Hawks had very few odd man rushes… very few Grade A chances… this beat goes on and on and on and on!!! Hawks keep giving up more odd mans than they are getting-has to stop.

    Kruger had a nice game…
    86 took coaches advice and shot the puck!!! Now if he just learns to hang on and be a little more patient… still doesn’t realize how much time he has.

    Hopefully 26 is done for a while and Q/SB inject some life and energy into the line up… wouldn’t mind seeing Mills or Nordstrom or even Mashinter (If he has decent speed- I have never seen him skate… but at least he has the size of a power forward)…

  35. ebonyraptor says:

    Pete – I was wondering the same thing. I’m pretty sure Handzus didn’t play at all in the 3rd period and the latter part of the 2nd period. He was sitting on the bench so I doubt he’s injured. Especially puzzling after Toews left the game that Q would decide to staple his binky to the bench. I can only hope that whatever Handzus did wrong or didn’t do right has permanent effect on Q’s heretofore insistence on playing Handzus.

  36. Sr. Brad says:

    This board is a train wreck…good luck to you and Michael Handzus…go Q go…

  37. morrison says:

    Yea, I needed a drink or 2 after hit. The gif on the 3rd period thread on the committed indian website is where I saw his left foot leave the ice before contact. That gif had a real low camera angle and you could see his left skate leave ice before…

    The video on this website make it hard to see that because the camera is at a higher angle. This video shows it was really close.

  38. RyanDale says:

    Rufus, sorry man but you need to hire some new writers with fresh ideas.

    Recycling is environmentally friendly, not editorially

    and its hard to repeat in the nhl !!!!

    for crissake dude

    STOP

  39. Mining Man says:

    Ohhhhh boy…Red Top Parking is right and so is Rufus T Firefly….( and Don Cherry)…standing up to a take out hit like that to our Captain, to a top 5 NHL skilled player, to the Indian Head sweater, …its about pride and respect …whether it was clean or dirty or at what nanosecond feet left the ice or if Toews got careless for a second, all that doesn’t matter. Hockey, Blackhawks style, was never like this. We need reaction and deterrence. This will get around to all the other teams and they wont believe we did nothing about it. Cant wait to hear Don Cherry’s comments on this incident and the lack of pushback. This is not good. Troy Murray was really taken back, shocked, by the lack of heart and courage. What is our goal this year…a “participation” award? Please tell me it really didn’t happen that way and its all some elaborate April Fools joke on us fans.

  40. Dickie Dunn says:

    – between periods, Milbury and Jones were discussing “retribution”, but left out the most obvious (to me) option – injuring Crosby. Even if it cost a 5 minute penalty kill it would make a necessary statement. I’m not at all biblical, but “an eye for an eye”.

  41. Dickie Dunn says:

    Hawkey, “Sure his skates come off the ice. But they always do when you see it in slo mo, whether clean or dirty.” — don’t get mad, but you are full of shit.

  42. Dickie Dunn says:

    JS, “And retaliation is childish, even though it would have made everyone feel better.”
    Tab, “Running Crosby wasn’t going to fix/change anything.”

    Sorry. We’ll have to disagree. An injured Crosby wouldn’t miraculously undo the damage to Toews, but it would send an important message (LOUD and CLEAR) to Orpik (a cunt), Bylsma, and the rest of the Penguins. It would certainly be better than doing nothing – unfortunately, the response the Hawks went with.

  43. Dickie Dunn says:

    JS, “Alright, I’m sold! When someone delivers a clean hit, you should intentionally try to injure one of their players. Then, after you do that, they can injure one of your other players to re-retaliate for your retaliation.” — just because a penalty wasn’t assessed that does not mean it was a “clean hit”.

    “…after you do that, they can injure one of your other players to re-retaliate for your retaliation” – maybe/maybe not? (If you deliver the message with authority? On occasion, the message is more important than the score of one game.)

    It is certainly better than doing NOTHING (especially since they didn’t “win the f’ing game”)

  44. Phil says:

    A dark, very depressing day for Hawks fans knowing their team didn’t have the guts to back the Captain. Doing nothing spoke volumes about this teams lack of a backbone and commitment to what the term team really means.

    If possible try and find post game comments from Troy Murray that were made on WGN last night. He flat out nailed it. I am in complete agreement with his assessment, and remain stunned and shocked following that travesty in Pitt.

  45. Pete says:

    For the record, the first point of contact was with Toews’s head. You can clearly see that his head moves first in response to the hit. Was it the “principle point of contact”? I don’t know and he clearly grabbed his shoulder. I would have liked Bolig to do something in response, nothing illegal or dirty, but something.

  46. wall says:

    Dickie D- right on!!!!!

    The message will be received when Orpik goes into the locker room after the game…
    and hears or sees Crosby’s stall empty and the rest of the team is in silence cuz they just lost their best player (Crosby) (because Hawks did retaliate)

    JS- Next week a team takes out 81, then the following week its 10…
    Now how are the Hawks going to win and “stick it back to them” with that line up???

    They aren’t!!!!

    Hit was borderline in three ways,,, Boarding???Left ice???Hit to head???
    19′s head was lowered (but actually on the way up) due to the turn in the corner he was in the process of making… and there was shoulder to head!!! Toews was in PRONE position… Orpik needs to understand that and hug/hold him into the boards- let up just a little.

  47. JS says:

    Toews needs to not skate with his head down.

    There is no such thing as a deterrent anymore. Again, Orpik was assaulted by Shawn Thornton earlier in the year and he’s still blasting people whenever he can.

    I know I’m one of the younger guys on this board, it’s probably why I don’t have the mentality that the game is still being playing in the 80′s. But that’s ok, neither does the coach. Blood for blood sure sounds nice, but it’s barbaric and doesn’t work anymore. The sport needs to grow and it isn’t going to do that if you’re cheap shotting stars.

    I’ve watched the replay of the hit numerous times, and I would call it borderline. Borderline in that I don’t know if he’ll get a suspension or not. I’ll tell you one thing, if he does get suspended it will only be because of who he hit, not because of the hit itself. He didn’t leave his feet until after contact was made, and the contact with the head is likely from Toews cutting at the last second. Don’t skate with your head down when Brooks Orpik is on the ice.

    Again, if you want to play the retaliation game, it will never end. Just get rings.

  48. Phil says:

    Many blogs already have the raging debate about Orpik taking out Toews. More than half say it was clean, no head shot, no problem. I simply view this as attempt to injure a player. The replay clearly shows contact to the head. No way can it be construed as shoulder to shoulder. He was head hunting. Orpiks comment of “it happens 10 times a game” is absurd. Did you guys see Orpik’s eyes when he went back to the bench? All over the place. The guy knew he crossed the line. Will the league do anything with this? Flip a coin. While Tazer got lit up with his head looking for the puck is something players need to be careful with, especially with predator types like Orpik on the ice. Clearly 19 wasn’t looking for any contact. This sucks anyway you want to look at it

  49. Pete says:

    Toews’s head was the first part of his body to react to the blow. The only thing is it appears to be a shoulder injury. The league could light orpik up on a blow to the head whether or not its a head injury. We shouldn’t have to wait for someone to be knocked unconscious. It was a high hit that struck the head first even if the main blow came second and to the shoulder. Orpik needs to be more careful and the league should send him a message.

  50. Tim G says:

    After taking a night to sit on it… the hit wasnt “that bad”. Hockey can be a violent sport, and this was a violent hit. It was a little dirty… bu not the worst hit out there… Was it necessary? probably not. As Wall just said, Orpik could have skated through 19, pinned him to the wall and held him there. There wasn’t a need to “blow toews up”… but thats what Orpik does. hes a physical player who will go for the big hit. Yet, I honestly dont think Orpik was targeting. He was up, Toews was turning… yes he did launch through the hit, but if he wanted to really mess toews up, he probably could have done much worse in all honesty.

    As far as the remainder of the season, I have preached that the hawks will get healthy and find a groove. then 20 went out… then 29 and 32… then 88… now 19… I know there is still time to rest up over the last few weeks… but its starting to look very dark on the horizon. I still believe we can beat Colorado on skill alone, but that would be a small miricle of its own. We will need more heart if we are going to out grind STL, LA, ANA, SJ, BOS, or PIT in a series and i dont see it.

  51. Evil Pens says:

    Short and sweet. Sorry fellas, clean hit get over it. Shame Toews got injured, that would suck for any team. But it was clean. And for the idiots who claim defenseless hits? WTF? Really? Here’s a thought, every skater should have his head down all the time, that way they are ALL defenseless and no one gets hit. So quit bitching and move on. Hopefully Toews will be back before you know it. Oh and by the way, don’t think that people haven’t gone after Sid’s head before in the past, but in your eyes it’s ok right?

  52. michael petan says:

    Not upset with the HIT upset with the “No Heart Roll Over” response from all the Hawks. Boarding is Boarding but this HIT is again the tipping point in the NHL, Hawks check with stick skills but a lot of teams are as they say “programmed” to hit /check the body and hard, automatically. I said many times that this is the HEART they are missing, to put it all on Bolig is lazy and lame. Hawks lets Ranta get run over the other night and now Towes on a somewhat legal hit? Hossa did his lazy no heart face to face stare down, but no one no one stepped up. Shaw took a run and Sharp did a little but no “heart” this should have been a season changer, a brawl, donnny-broook! A big one a wake up call but the Hawks Rolled Over again. NOT GOOD thank god they are in the WEST. Q missed an opportunity to PULL CRAWFORD after the second goal only again as a wake up call, a message to wake up. Nothing against Crawford but now Q is off his game. I pray Towes is well!

    Hawks are not built HEAVY, Boston and Penguins are, they both built a bulky team with speed and skill nicely mixed in, BOSTON is the perfect blend cup or not. Hawks. Hawks have an entire farm system full skilled stick checking players and high skill level but they need some size, Seabrook plays like he’s made of plastic!

  53. Phil says:

    Yes Evil Pens short and sweet, go away. Hawks may be a spineless team, but headhunters? You are a clueless troll. Have fun with the B’s or Flyers in playoffs. Those teams don’t/won’t let their Cpt get run and give the offending player/team a pass.

  54. Pete says:

    I put it mostly on Bolig because the only reason he is on the team is for situations like last nights game.

  55. Mike57 says:

    I have to agree it was a borderline hit that does meet the definition of boarding and when a guy like Orpik with a history of “big Hits” runs someone borderline there has to be a response. If Orpik doesn’t fight, then you have to hit the other teams skill players. I don’t say run them but do not pass up an opportunity to deliver a similar clean big hit on there top players. This all comes down to respect. It’s the East way to bulk up, look at some of the goons still playing in the East that have no business on the ice. I wonder if the Hawks were on orders to “let it go” from Q or Toews in the 3rd period, they did play an aggressive offensive period in their best attempt to win a game in the last week.

  56. JS says:

    Phil- I think he was saying other teams have gone after Sid before, not the Hawks.

    I have to question if the league would ever want to move to the Blackhawks style of defending and eliminate more of the body checks. When you consider that body checking is being removed from youth leagues, 15-20 years from now you’re going to see these kids in the NHL and they will almost strictly be puck checkers.

    Also, paying attention to anything Don Cherry ever says is not a good idea. Guy is a flaming imbecile.

  57. imtgrill says:

    I’m sure I’m gonna make a lot of enemies here, but in a way, I respect the hawks decision not to retaliate. They are a team that consistently succeeds without that style of game play. The only person I wanted hurt after that check was Orpik. Retaliating on any other penguins player wouldn’t solve shit, it would just make the hawks like every other team. By doing nothing I like to think that instead of showing other teams they’re weak, they’re showing that they don’t respect that style of gameplay. Again, I want players like Orpik out of the game via consequences or injury, but immature retaliation isn’t gonna do anything positive for this sport

  58. Phil says:

    No worries imtgrill. However, you can’t say it was good for the Hawks to not retaliate and then say you wanted Orpik hurt,and not expect a question. If the Hawks had respect by playing the way they do, Toews would not have been lit up like that. While it would be great to say that the nice guys win, in real life this is not going to be the case in many situations, and most definitely not in NHL Hockey. Unfortunately the situation last night demanded an immediate swift response from the Hawks as a deterrent. I can understand the other kinder more gentle argument, but trust me on this one, to a man other players around the league were saying last night. “Wow, you see the Hawks let Orpik slide with that shit??” What they weren’t saying is “those Blackhawks are sure good guys. Maybe we should all play like that?”

    No way no how.

  59. ebonyraptor says:

    The point that seems to be missed in all this is that the Hawks were the same type of team last season and they beat the heavy/bully teams and won the Stanley Cup. They sent Mayers out to fight Torres after what he did to Hossa, but that was the following season and it wasn’t spontaneous.

    So while it feels righteous to demand an eye for an eye, the truth is the Hawks aren’t that type of team and have proven they don’t need to be.

  60. Phil says:

    ER, this is true as long as your star players remain healthy. I don’t want the Hawks to be a rough bully team. I just want them to stick up for their Captain. They can do this with the players they have on the team, but they chose not to last night, and that is the issue.

  61. Dickie Dunn says:

    JS, “Toews needs to not skate with his head down.” — so, that’s a declaration of “Open Season!”, right?

    “There is no such thing as a deterrent anymore. Again, Orpik was assaulted by Shawn Thornton earlier in the year and he’s still blasting people whenever he can.” — maybe this is because the response wasn’t correct – Orpik doesn’t fight (but he will cheapshot, headshot, etc.)…maybe losing Crosby (equal value to Toews) for several games is the measured response? Maybe that’s a message that registers with Orpik, and Bylsma (- keep your bitch in-line).

    “I know I’m one of the younger guys on this board, it’s probably why I don’t have the mentality that the game is still being playing in the 80?s.” — I see…you’re “above that”.

    “But that’s ok, neither does the coach. Blood for blood sure sounds nice, but it’s barbaric and doesn’t work anymore.” — so, how does doing NOTHING except losing the game and your best player work?

  62. Maybe '14 says:

    Have to believe that Bolig was under orders from Q and Tazer during 2nd-3rd period intermission to avoid Orpik. If not, then Hawks are just asking for more Orpik hits. Think Kronwall from Red Wings.

  63. JS says:

    Dickie- It was a clean hit. It was as bad as it was because Toews was skating with his head down and couldn’t brace himself/get out the damn way. Toews will be the first person to come out and take blame for it.

    Crosby and Malkin have been run at in response before, doesn’t change what Orpik is doing. I can understand getting your panties in a bunch of it was a dirty hit, but it wasn’t.

    Yes, I’m “above that”. I try to rail against fighting stupidity with stupidity… or in this case fighting a clean hit with something dirty.

    Trying to win the game is important. Probably would have made Toews happy. Turns out they didn’t. If you’re going to lose, lose with dignity. Hawks are a class organization and that’s why they don’t do the revenge crap or lose their mind when they are getting smoked in a game.

  64. Phil says:

    Avs saying Matt Duchene out maybe 4 weeks with knee issue. A tough break for him and the team.

  65. ebonyraptor says:

    Phil, I know. I feel the same way – I would have preferred to see more of a response from the Hawks, but my point is that isn’t who this Hawks team is. Last night wasn’t the first time a Hawks player got hurt by an opposing player with nary a response. So while all us fans want an eye for an eye or at least something, anything to make us feel good about our heroes protecting the house, it isn’t in the collective DNA so we’ll just have to swallow our pride and take solace when the Hawks beat the opponent on the scoreboard – not the body.

  66. imtgrill says:

    Assuming toews will be out a while, what can we expect in terms of line-up and centers up until the playoffs? Will his spot be filled by someone on the roster, or might we see another call up to try out for the rest of the season, considering we don’t appear to be moving much in the standings?

  67. Phil says:

    Shaw(more) and Sharp(less) were the only guys that made a move towards Orpik. It was lame in that it should have been a one for all deal. It should have been all in for the Hawks Cpt., DNA be damned. It’s what players do for each other if they care. Just man up…

    Most people have seen versions of the HG Wells story The Time Machine at the show. Well I will equate the Hawks response to Orpik to how the Eloi reacted like sheep to the Morlock predators. I like thinking of Orpik as a Morlock anyway so that works for me.

    Like I said last night the Hawks PR spin on this should be priceless, or maybe there will be no comment. Sweep it under the carpet. The beat writers/tv guys need to do their job and ask the hard questions here.

  68. goldenbladz says:

    I think Orpik is an A hole and will get his again (like the Thornton repsonse) Maybe he takes a Chara shot to the nuts. I would be happy with that, but if it wasn’t Orpik it would have been Backes, Brown, Rouselle or some other idiot. When Bicks gets back he should be put back on a line with Toews and Kane. Johns can’t get here soon enough.

  69. Dickie Dunn says:

    JS, Orpik has a history of causing injury. Orpik refuses to fight – he is “above that” – so, he has it both ways *borderline* (questionable) hits with no payback. Again, just because no penalty was called doesn’t make it a clean hit.

    Troy Murray, Mike Milbury, Keith Jones (years of NHL experience) and many of the posters here feel a response would have been appropriate. Could we ALL be wrong about it being a clean hit? I’m surprised nobody has pulled “just a hockey play” out of their ass – maybe when we hear Olczyk’s comments?

    Bottom line – Chicago loses Toews but can revel in the knowledge that they are “a class organization”. That sounds good to me…

  70. JS says:

    Didn’t Mike Milbury climb into the stands to attack a fan? We are taking this guys wisdom seriously?

    In fact, how does a modern “enforcer” feel about his opinion? Paul Bissonette said, “Knowing Mike Milbury has a job talking hockey makes me feel good about life after I’m done playing. Guy’s a zero.”

    There is also a common theme amongst the people you mentioned. They are all older than shit and played the game in a different era.

  71. Dave says:

    you could just feel troy murray biting his tongue last night to keep from calling the hawks cowards and you know maybe he should have said it . of course he would be unemployed this morning , such is the price of honesty

  72. Dickie Dunn says:

    JS, nitpicking about Milbury (and, like Paul Bissonette’s opinion is gold?).

    As far as, “older than shit and played the game in a different era” – at what point did “turn the other cheek” and “the meek, for they shall inherit the earth” become the “Official” philosophy/mindset of the *current* NHL?

  73. JS says:

    And Jesus Christ, if the Hawks went after Orpik or Crosby, GUESS WHAT!?!? Toews would still be hurt and they still would have lost the game. Going head hunting would have done NOTHING but make them look like a bunch of babies that can’t play the game within the rules.

    It was a clean hit, even the league says so and don’t you think they would want to protect a guy like Toews even if it was a close call?

  74. JS says:

    Probably around the time they put in the instigator rule, started phasing out fighting and enforcers, and started suspending people for illegal hits to the head.

  75. Tim G says:

    If Toews misses until the playoffs… i guessing the lines will be something like this.

    10/65/81
    20/86/28
    23/26/11
    52/16/12

  76. Negzz says:

    @JS: “When you consider that body checking is being removed from youth leagues, 15-20 years from now you’re going to see these kids in the NHL and they will almost strictly be puck checkers.” You really believe that?! C’mon… If you think the game is going to end up as a “strictly puck checking game” we will have to FULLY disagree on that one. While the league is attempting to eliminate/reduce fighting and cheap shots (which I agree they should), the NHL will always be a mans game with tough, physical play and intimidation tactics. You don’t hold your own when it’s time to man up, you lose respect and your done. Period.

    @ER: Yes, the Hawks won last year, and that’s a fact and it was a great achievement. But let’s be real here. What is also a fact is last season was the perfect storm for this version of the Hawks. A strike shortened (playing to a finesse teams favor out of the gate), and the playoff matchups fell IDEALLY in our favor. In our conf alone, we were fortunate to skip the tougher teams like the Blues, Ducks, Sharks and Nucks while they beat the crap out of each other. As our #1 seed and luck of the draw would have it, we pulled the (not yet ready) Wild, (an old) Det, and the then SC (beaten, bruised and hungover) champs from LA (who had just lasted thru the Blues and Sharks series.) Even so, Toews, Bickell, Zues and Rosy were beaten up good, played seriously hurt and Boston was even worse when we met them in the finals. As such, I would argue that last season is an outlier and hardly “proves” that finesse teams can/will emerge victorious by “beating the heavy/bully teams”. I’m proud of the 2013 team achievement but believe the 2010 SC team was a FAR better blend of physical/skill and able to handle various styles of play by keeping the physical teams “honest.” Think about it, do you really think that Ladd, Eager, Buff, Brower etc would have let their CAPTAIN get run and let it go?! Unbelievable.

    Last night’s response shows this squad needs a heart transplant and some balls. Hope they acquire them in the offseason. Very disappointed.

  77. Phil says:

    Good call Dave. I think what Troy did was use pregnant pauses to keep himself from swearing. He called the team out big time which implied to me his feeling the team was soft and lacked character. I was very proud of his extreme candor in what was for him a very emotional situation. The guy was a consummate pro on the ice and it has carried over to the booth where he and John excel. would love to hear that post game show again. Is it up on WGN radio online? Anyone know? I looked briefly this morning but could find nothing.

    On a personal note I have posted as a protest against last nights lack of character by the Hawks, my tickets for The Wild game Thursday at the NHL Ticket Exchange. First time I have ever done this. As fans how else do we show our displeasure?

  78. Rufus T. Firefly says:

    The lack of response by the Hawks last night was revealing, sobering, horrendous, deeply troubling, all of the above. Troy Murray was right on the money with his “diplomatic” editorial.

    I’ve followed this team for many years. I love this team. But make no mistake, the 2013-14 Blackhawks are done. You can stick a fork in this team. They know it too. So does Bowman, Q, McDonough. This team doesn’t have it in them in terms of what it will take to go to war in the playoffs.

    So Bowman has some tickering to do in the offseason. To include the addition of some grit. And the core needs to rest and get its shit together mentally and from a commitment standpoint.

    This season is done. I too am giving away two sets of game tickets for the regular season. I’ll be at the UC for round 1.

  79. Dickie Dunn says:

    JS, “It was a clean hit, even the league says so…” — didn’t the league say Shea Weber smashing Zetterberg’s face into the glass was a clean hit as well?

    “GUESS WHAT!?!? Toews would still be hurt and they still would have lost the game.” — Indeed. But, guess what?!?! – if Crosby was injured/lost to the Penguins maybe it would prompt Orpik to be a little discreet and/or Bylsma to keep his dog leashed.

  80. scottie p says:

    No need to worry bc we are soooooo deeeeep right guys? Please. This teams depth had been overrated all year. Kane and Johnny back and we will still not play for the WcF….. this season has been over. Rest up johnny hopefully the holy one stan actually improved the roster this off-season

  81. RyanDale says:

    remember Troy saying it should have been 5 on 5(as in brawl) after the hit? , lol.

  82. JS says:

    Negzz I said almost! But lets say over the course of the next 10 years the Hawks win 3 or 4 more cups (which is probably realistic if they can keep the core healthy), more teams would probably start emulating them. Combine that with body checking being removed from youth league, and you’ll see more players that play the puck than play the body.

    Dickie- Weber was fined for the turnbuckle smash. Likely would have been a suspension if it was in the regular season, or Zetterberg was hurt, or Weber wasn’t Weber.

    If you can’t deliver a clean body check without worrying about someone on the other team going headhunting on your star, maybe they should just outlaw body checks.

    Hurting the Penguins does not make Toews better. All it would do is encourage another “retaliation” shot later in the game or next year. Do we need to have another Steve Moore or Brooks Orpik (when he was assaulted by Shawn Thornton)? Love guys leaving the ice on a stretcher!

  83. ebonyraptor says:

    So many nabobs of negativity. Some of you actually sound gleeful that you will be one of fans that called it – yep, the demise of the Hawks. Somehow that must make you feel better because you sure go there often.

    The odds of the Hawks repeating weren’t good to start with, just based on the recent history of Cup winners. There’s no argument that they’ve been stumbling through the last half of the season but there’s also no argument that this team has shown they can still play very well. To throw in the towel, like many appear to be doing, says about as much of you as a fan as you complain about what is missing from the Hawks. Have some heart. Stick with the team through the tough times.

    If the Hawks have Toews, Kane, Bickell, and Rozsival healthy and ready to go for the playoffs – so you really think they will lose because no one busted Orpik’s chops last night? I don’t. The may lose, but it’s not because of that.

  84. Phil says:

    Yes RD that he said, and yes that made me smile too. Not many smiles otherwise last night.

  85. RyanDale says:

    Clean or dirty, if a C goes down…you gotta act. The Code is part of what I like about the NHL . Not the end of the world or season because we stood silent. Just very disappointed that 19 wasn’t supported better. We move on. That’s also important, that the team addresses it in house and agrees how best to go forward. We here, are always just along for the ride….and the ride is still moving. April is here

  86. Mike57 says:

    Well put RD – we do not know if Toews or Q gave the order to try to win the game and no retaliation. And I could hear Toews saying that.
    If the league were serious about cleaning up the game, more would be called on the ice. Even though that hit was borderline, it was not a necessary part of the game. That’s where respect of each other comes in that players lack. All you younger guys – in the old days Orpik would have been taught a lesson in respect and unless he was willing to fight back he would not be the “heavy hitter” he is allowed to be in today’s game. That being said, I wish the game would turn to a more skilled game, but it will only happen if the league demands it.

  87. Rufus T. Firefly says:

    It can’t be ignored that this team has performed very poorly since the beginning of January. In fact, if the last 3 months were the entirety of the season (which of course it is not) we wouldn’t even whiff the playoffs.

    I’m not overreating to this or that. It’s the growing body of evidence that has led to my indictment of this team’s chances of doing anything at all in the playoffs. This team is physically and mentally spent. That’s my conclusion. A bunch of guys who can’t wait to rip off the skates for a few months reprieve. This sort of thing happens in today’s NHL…it just does, and hence my reconciliation of things. I can’t complain about 2 Cups in 4 years…and I certainly remain highly optimistic for the next 5 year time horizon. I don’t have “anger” over the 2013-14 Hawks. I just don’t. It is what it is.

  88. Al D. says:

    The hit was illegal. Nough said about that………….Now to the Hawks and their style of play….

    I am tired of hearing the reason the Hawks ALWAYS have fewer hits than the other team is because they are a possession team. The problem is is that they are ALWAYS a “possession team” and the rest of the league has finally figured it out. Our boys play with the premise that you must separate the puck from the player. Most other team play with the premise the you separate the player from the puck.

    How many times have we seen an opposing player against the boards with the Hawks attempting to stick the puck away from them…..Many time unsuccessfully when a good CLEAN hit would accomplish much more. The boys simply do not hit and that fact lets the other teams play with impunity and no fear of getting hit.

    Unless Q changes his stubborn mind set……We are one series and out for the playoffs.

  89. ebonyraptor says:

    Regardless what the fans think and say – the final arbitors of whether a hit is legal or illegal are the refs on the ice and the league review process. The refs didn’t call the Orpik hit a penalty and the league has now stated that there will be no disciplinary action.

    Debate all you want whether a hit like that should be a penalty, but it isn’t.

    Period.

    Nuff said.

    Get over yourself and this sense of indignation that you have.

  90. RyanDale says:

    New writers apply now, please!

  91. wall says:

    RDale- “the Truth, You can’t handle the truth!!!”

  92. Dickie Dunn says:

    Only slightly germane to this discussion – I rewatched the Orpik/Eriksson >> Shawn Thornton incidents and I conclude Orpik takes the opportunity to injury and then is 100% “pussy” in regard to accountability. I guess one man’s “programmed BIG hitter is another man’s coward. He got off easy. “These are the facts, and they undisputed.”

  93. Joey Zamboni says:

    Obama has just declared a “red line” (regarding borderline hits) the rest of the league better not cross or else……..!!!!!

  94. Sheriff Buford T. Justice says:

    Only slightly germane to this discussion – I rewatched the Orpik/Eriksson >> Shawn Thornton incidents and I conclude Orpik takes the opportunity to injury and then is 100% “pussy” in regard to accountability. I guess one man’s “programmed BIG hitter is another man’s coward. He got off easy. “These are the facts, and they undisputed.”

    ====

    The god damn Germans got nothin’ to do with it!

  95. Pete says:

    Rufus how do you know that the team and management knows they are “done”. Lawyers such as myself object to opinions like that because there is no foundation for them. That opinion never gets to the jury. Its your opinion that they are “done”. Your entitled to it. I disagree. If the injured Hawks recover fully in time for the playoffs they can make a run, especially since Colorado just lost(unfortunately) their best player for the first round. That is my opinion. GO HAWKS.

  96. Tab Bamford says:

    Quenneville’s comments from after the game:

  97. RyanDale says:

    wall – had a friend who liked to call his penis “the truth” and proclaim to local girls they weren’t able to handle it . …and due to that, I’ve never tried to I guess !! ha.

    JS- I am surprised . Given your admission of youth I would have thought you would have been better educated about the perils before giving such reckless proposals. To suggest that after such an emotional game, our best outlet of solace was to turn….to the bottle?? Really?. “{Son, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life}”. Dean Vernon ‘fiddler’ Wormer, a.h.78

  98. Dave says:

    q says that they need rest and will get 3 days off, why do they need rest they didnt do anything to be tired

  99. Mike57 says:

    Maybe this team needs a little more practice time. If guys like Morin, Rundblad, Regin, and TT had a chance to practice with the team they might be able to contribute enough to earn full games of playing time. Maybe we would come out ready to play from the first minute and not look tired by the third period. Skating in practice shouldn’t make you more tired – it should strengthen you and build your endurance.

  100. Travis says:

    this board disintegrates after a hawks loss. all objectivity out the window.

    clean hit on toews. freaking textbook hit. orpik’s skate COLLIDES with toews’ skate, you homers. if you see that as a dirty hit, it’s because you want to.

    again, hawks dominate play for significant stretches. at one point, the pens’ home crowd booed the team and sarcastically cheered when they finally cleared the zone. the ice was severely slanted for about 25 minutes after the orpik hit. that’s the best response i could have hoped for. we absolutely dominated them.

    but instead of discussing that, let’s all disintegrate, claim that a legal hit was dirty, that the hawks didn’t retaliate when they were “merely” inspired to play excellent hockey, and that this team is done.

    screw you guys, i’m on the wagon. the orpik hit was the moment that the 2013-14 hawks re-found their game. that was the best i’ve seen them play in a long, long time. the toews injury is a blessing in disguise as he’ll be rested going into the dance. kane, toews, bickell are rested and healthy, and the hawks have re-found their grind. nobody beats us in a best-of-7 when we play like that. nobody.

  101. Phil says:

    Obviously Travis there are two camps at odds with the Orpik-Toews conversation. Let me ask you a simple question about how the Hawks should be playing hockey. Why would they not try and win the hockey game? That is what they get paid to do. I happen to believe we are a better team than the Pens, so if the Hawks want to bring their game they should beat those guys anyway. When the Hawks bring their A game they remain at the top of this League. I was sorry we lost Sunday as I always am.

    While I can be upset about the Hawks players lame response to seeing their Cpt drilled, it does not imply that I or others have jumped ship and cease being fans. I have supported this team for over 50 years and I have a right to my opinions just like anybody else. Don’t call me a homer or other posters because we believe Orpiks hit on the Cpt was an attempt to injure. I have a right to that opinion just like you have yours. Leave the name calling to the playground.

    Most people that contribute here are Hawks fans. Some have been around longer than others. The clouds that came in Sunday night will pass and hopefully this team will get healthy and play good hockey again. It’s been a rough patch the past few months.

    Lets Go Hawks!

  102. Dickie Dunn says:

    Travis, I absolutely agree with Phil – try to win the hockey game…that is what they get paid to do. A questionable* “clean hit” on Toews should not have been necessary to “inspire” them to play excellent hockey, which they have done much since the Olympic (bs) break. What does it say about a team that a possible serious injury to their captain was required for them to “re-find their game”? I haven’t given up on the Hawks (we’ve survived many really low points since 1966 when I got “on the wagon”) – hopefully Toews, Kane, Bickell, and Rozsival all get healthy and rested and the Hawks return to “their A game” for a long Cup run.

    *Orpik has a history – he never misses the opportunity to injure (- I know, I know: “Programmed BIG Hitter”) players caught in a vulnerable position. It’s really too bad that the 25 minutes of severely slanted ice after the hit didn’t produce a win. I’m obviously also aligned with those who believe Orpik should have paid a price for his “indiscretion” – whether a sound beating into a coma-like state (preferred, but not likely because he is a coward), or owning the responsibility of the loss of the Penguins captain to a similar injury.

  103. Dickie Dunn says:

    CORRECTION: “they have NOT done much since the Olympic (bs) break.”

  104. Travis says:

    Phil and Dickie- you’re both correct. But let’s be honest… the majority of people claiming the hit was dirty would have different opinions if the jerseys were reversed. But I should have been more clear… not all people who claim the hit was dirty are just being homers.

    Still. Clean hit. Where’s the penalty? Because Orpik clearly didn’t leave his skates prior to the hit.

  105. Phil says:

    Sorry Trav, I am moving on with this one.

    Lets Go Hawks!

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