Late Goal Hands Hawks Another Loss

At least there was drama on Sunday evening.

The Blackhawks gave up the first goal for the tenth straight game.

They went down 2-0 for the third straight game.

They rallied to tie the game at two for the third straight game.

They lost.

Again.

Max Domi and Shea Weber scored 91 seconds apart in the first period to give Montral a 2-0 lead. But the Hawks battled back.

Patrick Kane broke a personal scoring drought with his 14th of the season – and it came on the power play.

The goal game with 59 seconds left in the period with assists from Alex DeBrincat and Brent Seabrook.

Kane was visibly fired up after scoring the goal after what had been another underwhelming period for Chicago. The Hawks finished the period out-shooting the Habs 10-7.

Kane tied the game at 12:55 into the second.

Dominik Kahun and Erik Gustafsson were credited with the assists on Kane’s second of the night.

Chicago had a 22-15 shot advantage after 40 minutes.

With the game tied, the Hawks got six straight minutes of power play time early in the third period. Tomas Tatar went off at 1:58 and, as his penalty was expiring, Jordie Benn went off for a double.

The Hawks did nothing with the six minutes of would-be advantage.

Brandon Saad then went to the box and Connor Murphy, in his first game of the season, joined him. Montreal had 55 seconds of a two-man advantage that the Hawks successfully killed in the middle of the period.

Chicago had two more power plays later in the third that also came up empty.

But it was Tatar, who spent six minutes in the box, who scored the game-winning goal with less than two minutes left in regulation. The Hawks tried to rally again but came up short.

Murphy skated 16:46 in his return and was credited with four shots on net, three hits and one takeaway. Brandon Manning only skated ten minutes in the game.

Kane skated “only” 21 minutes in the game but put a team-leading eight shots on net. Jonathan Toews skated 24:48 and won 13 of 20 faceoffs.

Andreas Martinsen skated a team-low 6:08 and was somehow minus-two. He was credited with three hits, though…

99 thoughts on “Late Goal Hands Hawks Another Loss

  1. It should be a fireable offense (no pun) to have Martinsen on the ice with about a minute left in a tie game. In junction with the guy who signed and re-signed him.

    Anyway…. Happy holidays to all.

  2. P.S. the forward pipeline in Rockford is non-existent. Too bad the new coach isn’t still coaching down there so he can polish his craft. It needs a lot of polishing…

  3. Fortin was at center ice with the puck still in the defensive zone, and then he comes back, skates past the dman and covers nobody!

  4. Wanted to win this one. We outplayed them after the first, pretty good.

    2 more pts for top 3 % to get Hughes.

  5. Coaching loss. The primary breakdown on that goal was Martinsen chasing guy with puck into corner leaving point wide open for one of best shooters in league, but as Iceman said what on earth was he doing out there.

    The effort has been there the past few games, but we kill ourselves with bad coverages and blown assignments. This one is on Colliton though. It will be interesting to see how the team responds. Can’t imagine the veterans have a lot of belief in the coach right now.

  6. What is with the collective brain farts on D sone coverage at the start of games?
    Nervousness maybe but whatever it keeps happening – 10 straight games now they’re down early in the first, 8 of those 10 by multiple goals by end of first

    Why couldn’t Kruger cover Domi on the 1st MTL goal – Domi was his man and he was right there – he just didn’t do it

    And Martinsen on at the end was clearly a f*** up by Colliton – no excuse for that

    Having said all that it was the unsuccessful PPs in the 3rd that lost the game along with the 2-0 hole they dug themselves after 8 minutes or so

    On the positive side I’m still liking what Strome is bringing – his skating is not as bad as has it has been made out to be and his compete level is better than people said it was – he could bulk up a bit and be stronger but that will come I think with age (he’s only 21)

    Murphy looked good and when Forsling comes back hopefully that means no Manning

    After the 2-0 lead the Hawks battled in all zones but it was noticeable in the D zone where they haven’t battled very hard in a lot of previous games so I’m thinking that means a win is close at hand

  7. Chris… I said it a few blogs ago…

    Fortin is a joke… great wheels… no hands and CHERRY PICKS more than Kane…

    Yet he is on ice in tie game… last minutes???

    I think some people here are on to something. .. Colliton barely played Fortin in Rockford. … now he is on ice late game???

    Someone is calling shots… and Hawks are NOT trying to win cuz of it…

  8. Someone telling Colliton who to play at the end of the game? I’m not buying it and I certainly hope it’s not a thing

    How could you expect a team to respect a coach if that was happening? Maybe some of the vets already don’t respect Colliton but it better not be because of that or the rebuild is dead before it’s started (unless you think Colliton gets fired as well as Stan at year’s end)

    I want to see Sikura up on the Hawks – whether you put Martinsen on waivers (I doubt he gets claimed) or send Fortin down I’m fine with either move although I’d rather see Fortin here than Martinsen

  9. Wrap-re watch the first Montreal goal-look at where Seabrook goes-it was unbelievably poor positioning. Slow is slow-that is where he is at now, but he can be in the right spot.

    With a good (not great) power play that game was an easy win for the Hawks.
    On the positive front……….they can play with the Habs.

  10. Wrap, I thought this one was that win.

    Isint Hughes the top player in draft. A player like Liane, Matthews and other of that kind. Why wouldn’t we want him. Hes too small cant play?

  11. I said with 5 minutes left…”if we lose this one…” a

    And we did.

    Of course it had to be Tatar who scored the winner after committing 3 penalties.

    Why oh why is Martinsen on the ice in the closing minutes after only playing 5-6 minutes of hockey? Why?!!

    To Wall: I said after a game or two after being called up that Fortin isnt ready. Im shocked hes still up. Hes pretty useless and ill even go one further than calling him Skille 2.0. He will be out of the league permanently in 4 to 5 years.

    I read Bowmans trying to trade Manning and Rutta. Good luck with that. Lol

    Anyone see draft pick Kayumov dirty hit and then punch a ref in khl? He got only 13 game suspension! Wow

    We are heading to bet odds in lottery. Surely Bowman wont be kept after that. I dont want norm maciver as gm either!!

    Aboot the coach. Ive seen enough. Hes simply too green. Yet another mistake.

  12. Gotta agree Martinsen, Fortin and Strome line shouldn’t have been out late in the game and to understand why. Hard to figure out about the letdowns early, too. Seems to take half a period to be ready to play.
    Wrap didn’t think Strome was near as good tonight as out west. Did record his first hit tonight since ariving though.
    Sikura has 9g 9a and 4gwg so far. May get call if AA out for a few games.

  13. Altho i did read if perlini plays another game hes no longer waiver exempt. Guessing theyre debating that. I say send him down hes awful

  14. I’m just going to root for the other teams at this point. Tank for the higher pick. Just my opinion but Toews should be moved to wing and let the other players learn to take faceoffs; develop the team.

  15. Again no angst here. Hawks must come away from 2019 draft with 3 blue chip forwards. We are going to choose twice in the first 35. That’s pretty much guaranteed. Any trade that lands the Hawks a first rounder from a contender between now and the trade deadline in late February is a “win” for what is a total rebuild.
    Core : Toews, Kane, Strome, Debrincat, Keith, Seabrook (contract unmovable)
    Playoff Contenders Might Like : Saad, Anisimov, Kruger, Crawford.
    Draft Pick and say thank you : Ruuta, Manning, A. Forsberg.

  16. At this many games its LA and CHI for top pick.
    Were looking at that Craig. Top 3, 15-22 pick, and 31-34 pick.
    Might get some more 2nds and 3rds but the 1st round is what we need.

    If people are afraid of Hughes, like people said about Kane. OK.
    Kappo guy looks like a beast.

  17. Remember were prob adding a top 6 FW like Bread Man or Stone caliber player.

    Ian, whats the regular buyout for 7.
    Who are the good Defensemen ufas in 20 summer.

  18. Consider the reality of the core: they grew up under a very solid coach who knew his shit. Perfect, no. But he had a handle on things overall.

    Then hes canned and you’re playing for a young guy who doesn’t know the league, teams, or even your own team as well as you do–and hes making all the decisions.

    This had to be a mindfuck for the old vets who’ve won it all. Must just suck.

    People in that position can easily default to, “fuck this.” Only a true professionalism and drive keep you from going there.

    So you can rip on the core all you want, but understand that they’re all in a very weird place right now, and when you’re there you’re not at your best.

  19. Craig N–live your top 35 idea. But let’s trade off a few more decent assets at trade deadline and improve on that.

  20. Reg–“Do we want Stan picking the future of this team in the draft?”

    I feel more confident about him on the draft than on pulling two r three shrewd TDL moves.

  21. Unless something miraculous happens, the Hawks should get a very good forward in the draft, hopefully a center although Kakko would look good in a Hawks lineup too.

    If the Hawks are unable to land one of the very good free agents this summer – Stone, Panarin, Skinner, Duchene – it may be a blessing in disguise not only for not adding another huge salary to the cap, but also because it would probably mean another very good draft pick after the 2019/20 season which will see the influx of of 1 or 2 of the high-end d-prospects who will bring with them some uneven play as they settle into the NHL game.

    So to play this out – let’s say the Hawks get Kakko in the 2019 draft, who makes the team out of training camp along with Boqvist and Deaudin. Then let’s say the Hawks are fortunate to draft Lafreniere in the 2020 draft and he makes the team out of training camp along with Mitchell. Start 2020/21 with this lineup:

    Saad-Toews-Kakko
    DCat-Lafreniere-Kane
    Kahun-Strome-Sikura
    Barratt-Kampf-Entwistle

    Beaudin-Boqvist
    Keith-Jokiharju
    Forsling-Mitchell

  22. Morrison,

    you can calculate the buyout here:
    https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator

    Here are Seabs numbers, when bought-out:
    https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/brent-seabrook/2019-06-15

    Would have cap hits for upcomming 10 years:
    $3,708,333 in 2019-20
    $6,708,333 in 20-21
    $3,708,333 in 21-22
    $6,708,333 in 22-23
    $5,208,333 in 23-24
    $833,333 in 24-25
    $833,333 in 25-26
    $833,333 in 26-27
    $833,333 in 27-28
    $833,333 in 28-29

    Welcome to cap hell.
    But this was the price to pay for three Stanley Cups.

  23. At least most of this game was entertaining to watch, although it was extremely quiet in the UC for the 1st period. The insanity of the Hawks falling behind by 1 -2 goals early just keeps on rolling. I was surprised there wasn’t more booing when that took place. Lots of empty seats in my section 231 yet again, but the Bears were playing a big game at home which was realistically more important than any Hawks game right now.

    Habs tried to hand this game to the Hawks on a platter with all the dumb penalties they took, but this Hawks team keeps rewarding the opposition with a venom less power play. Ironic that Tatar who took 3 silly penalties scored the game winning goal.

    Patrick Kane and Toews played inspired hockey last night. I thought Anisimov also really skated hard. Apart from Kanes laser beam one timer goal, the highlight for me last night was watching John Hayden come back to give Deslauriers the business after Deslauriers did an intentional hard stop in front of Crow that fully snowed him. I was proud to see Hayden answer the bell. What Deslauriers did was intentional and should have been a 2 min penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct. Of course only Hayden was penalized, but it once again showed me that John Hayden has solid character and deserves plenty of ice time.

    Why Colliton had Martinsen, Strome and Fortin out there late in a tie game was ridiculous. Getting a point or maybe even 2 points was right there which might have given this team a small boost.

    So what is it now, in the past 11 games Hawks have had the lead only once?

    Open questions to Rocky Wirtz from a long standing season ticket holder. What is the direction for this Blackhawks team? Is it win now at all costs, or is it rebuild by moving some valuable roster center pieces for highly talented players with strong potential? Also please tell me why I should pay a lot of money to watch a team that could have been much better had the GM acquired the quality players necessary this past off season to compete game in and game out in this league. Plenty of empty seats around me again last night says quite a bit about what the fans think about this current Blackhawks team.

    Let’s Go Hawks!

  24. Mo Seabrooks be too high to make a buyout an option. Eating a good chunk in a trade be a better way. Lots of fa potential for 20 but hard to predict who gets extended at this point.

    One option over next couple of years is if the ability to protect forwards in expansion draft stays close to as is, picking up forwards or maybe a goalie from a team that doesn’t want to lose them for nothing could be there.

  25. ER, that’s the thing. Will we be bad for one more yr. That means we could get 7 or more blue chip players, with 3 top 3 picks, to go along with Buckaroo and Mitchell.

  26. So now we’re getting both Panarin and Stone? Putting aside that there are 30 other teams in the league, many of them interested, which is kinda important–Your kidding right? Let’s add 18 million more to the other contracts for next year-that’s almost 60 million for 7 players not named AA. Somewhat over 20 million left for 13 to 16 players. Going from real cap issues to Cap hell.

    Stone is a really good, dedicated player who probably doesn’t want to go from the frying pan into the fire. There was a time when Chicago would have been near the top of the list. Money is money but my guess is he wants to win a Cup in his prime and will choose wisely.

  27. @PHIL
    I was in Section 219.
    My section was half empty until the 2nd period. Then it got pretty full. Saw that other places. I think people are waiting for the low aftermarket prices to drop even lower at game time and come in late. Second game in a row where I’ve been in a section that fills up after the 1st.

    And to boot we had a couple who came in late, and immediately wanted to fight when asked to sit down during play, with the woman of the couple screaming the F-Bomb at all around her, telling a bunch behind her she would kick their F-ing ass, etc. etc. Really nice, especially with a bunch of kids around. They shut up once Security closed in. Usually don’t see activity like that in the club level …. at least not so much.

    Then, to boot, in the third period they got highlighted on the “FAN CAM” and whooped it up big time. I cracked the section up by saying that I didn’t realize the Blackhawks had instituted a “WHITE TRASH CAM”.

    Ah, fun times at the UC (not really). But it was a “little” bit better hockey. That whole shift where Tatar scored, the puck should have been out of the zone LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGGGG before he got the chance to shoot. Another case of turning it over in their own zone.

    GO BLACKHAWKS!!!

  28. I think I’ve read people talking about this team having two first round picks next year; I see one. What’s the plan to get an additional first round pick???

  29. So let me get this right, the Hawks go 1 for 8 on the PP but its Colliton’s fault for the loss cause he had Martinsen on the ice… seems like a big stretch to me since the game is 60 minutes long and not 1 minute. I think you could ask any professional and they will tell you it isn’t one shift that makes of breaks the game, its the whole game collectively. If the hawks had converted just 1 other PP how would the game have been different?

    Also, what is the plan to get another 1st round pick? I don’t see where that is going to come from in anyone’s current state.

  30. There is no way in hell you put 3 rookies on the ice for the last 1:30. That is on Colliton. Martinsen chased and didn’t cover point. His fault! Fortin covered the middle so it didn’t go cross-ice(good), but I would have loved to see him dive in front of that shot instead of turn his body(bad). Shaw would have dove in front of that shot, and therein lies the difference between the teams that won and this one; this team doesn’t do all the dirty little things that get you a W. You can’t coach that, you can only draft those guys. We have a bunch of pretty boys and not a lot of Mutts! The Shaw’s, the Bolland’s, the Brouwer’s, the Hjallmarsson’s, the Frolik’s, the Vermette’s are guys that energized this team, and are long gone. These news guys do not sacrifice anything, except our W-L record.

    Also, why don’t we trade for Brandon Pirri? The guy is awesome on the PP; even though, his defense sucks, but he would be a gem on the PP and we need that!

  31. Not saying thry are getting a 3rd top 35 pick but last year at this time if anybody said Hartman would get 1st rounder (Beaudin ) plus a potential top 6 forward in Kurashev, it would have been laughed at. Shit happens, if a pro active trade like that is made vs the sideways down slope type we recently saw another low 1st rd pick is possible

  32. Hey Palm to the Face – it is easy to get 1st round picks. You take all of your scraps and bundle them together, then throw in a kid with a little potential and a pick for the other side. Something like this: Krueger, Martinsen, Manning, Ruuta and Kahun, together with 2019 6th and 7th rounders and 2020 5th for a top 5 pick in the 2019 draft. Piece of cake!

    Didn’t you ever play NHL15 on PS3?

  33. Okay, sarcasm aside – certainly another 1st is possible. If Hartman can get us a first, then we should have someone this year that can also. AA possibly, maybe Keith if he chooses to leave. Saad most likely. I don’t see Crow going anywhere – it would be a trainwreck of epic proportions should we do that. Problem is that the first rounder we get will likely be in the back half of the round, but that doesn’t preclude repacking with a prospect in getting up near 10.

  34. That was a better game. Weird with all the penalties but better.

    JC doing some goofy line up stuff which apparently isnt just a Q thing.

    Obviously didnt start the year with enough talent to win. Hopefully they can steal one or two this week and go from there.

    I would not be mad about a lottery pick.

  35. Love the “white trash cam” Big Indian. You should get that copyrighted asap. Despite the large number of no shows in my section the fans showing up have been good citizens and mostly respectful of others trying to watch the game.

    How bout those Bears!

    Let’s Go Hawks!

  36. If this team was a top 6 forward away from contention then by all means get Breadman and/or Stone. But we aren’t. So I pass on both.

    Wait until we see if the horsemen can address the glaring deficiencies on the blue line. If they do, make a splash at a top forward. If not, address the defense with the cap space you would have spent there.

  37. Phil, I always liked Hayden since we saw him in Lake Placid.

    Ian, good point/along with ER thought, might be better to not add a top ufa because of the expansion picks.
    Which would have us getting 7 or more blue chip draft players, with adding a 1st in trade someone before/at deadline this yr. I would wait if trading Crow to contract yr and then he can come back that summer.

    Noonan, sure but that was based on another person suggesting trading 20 at deadline. Pick up some extra picks (15th-22nd pick this yr) and get another top 6 player like Stone in summer for that spot.

  38. If the goal is to try and win again with current core then it needs to be asap. If the plan is to move on from them the wait and see game is fine. To play wait and see game to try win with current core doesn’t make sense. Which ever way the organization chooses will dictate what happens and the off season at latest should give a clearer picture of which direction.

  39. Phil/Travis, we could have added top ufas last summer and this summer and we didn’t. So that means were not going all in for it with the core we have/last 2yrs and now.

    Also by adding ‘tank’ ufas with not having a full roster, looks like it was done on purpose to keep adding to wave we have coming.

    Only question is, and Travis says, not worth it because were too far off. Question being do we add 72 or Stone or both/with another trade.
    or
    just keep tanking next yr to, like Ian said why expose anyone we want to keep to expansion, and then were that much more loaded for the wave.

    That way has us getting 7 or more blue chip players (BoQ and Beau)(top3 % and trade for a 15th pick and 31-35th)(another top 5 skill and 31-35 pick, maybe another added 1st with trade-50)

    One thing I think though, is just because were are reloading and are more then one top 6 player and one top pair Dman away, doesn’t mean to not add a top ufa this summer and next summer. Since we ll be trading half the core by the time these drafts are ready/established. I guess you can look at who/potentially are ufas in the next two yrs-21 and 22, after this summer and next-19 and 20.

    See who might be adds then, as appose to now.
    I know players can resign, just look.

  40. Silent Spot: If the Hawks can get anyone to wave their no trade contracts.
    Everyone on the roster should be available for trade.
    Time to start to accumulate as many draft picks as possible.
    Why worry about keeping Crawford? He not young. Possibly one hit away from being out for a very long time. Crawford leads the NHL in losses this season.
    I’m not saying that it’s his fault for all of the losses. I am saying if the Hawks can pick up some assets in trades….Why not?
    The train wreck has arrived…Last place in a 31 team league.
    On a positive note we will be good in 2 years…Ask Mo

  41. One of the comments earlier hit upon something I’ve been meaning to comment on for some time now – shot blocking. We don’t have many players who will consistently sell out to block shots and it makes a difference. The opposing team almost without exception block more Hawks shots than Hawks block opposing shots. This isn’t a mere statistic – it’s telltale evidence that opponents “care” more about doing “whatever it takes” to win than the aggregate of Hawks player do … and lest anyone want to affix blame on Colliton for not engendering the proper culture within the team – the lack of shot blocking now is no different than it was under Q. Maybe there is a lack of warrior culture or esprit d’corps but this isn’t something that changed between Q and Colliton. I think more likely it has to do with the core players having been to the mountain top a few times and not having the same willingness to sacrifice their older bodies in what they perceive to be a lost cause – and then the younger players not buying into something not even the leaders of the team do.

    Just my two cents.

  42. Ok Stape – gotta agree the train wreck has already taken place. I guess from a fan’s point of view, I would prefer to lose 3-2 than 10-2. However, losing 10-2 would likely free up more of my time as I probably couldn’t handle that every night. But your point is made and accepted.

    I don’t see us in a total rebuild, and until we start moving our better assets I won’t believe we are either. I think you are correct – we need a ton of draft picks, particularly in the top 3 rounds. That currently isn’t our situation going into the 2019 draft. So that means we need to get lucky and have the kids we drafted on defense grow up in a hurry, and that is far more difficult than allowing offensive kids to play in the NHL. I am of the opinion that we need 2 guys to fill our top pair on defense, and that is a huge ask of kids. Look how long Nashville took to develop all of theirs and then arrange some offense around them. And they had Rinne in their pocket for most of that time. We are miles from where they were.

    So yes – everyone should be on the table.

    Toronto management stood up and told their fans what was going on. Come on Rocky, tell us what you’re thinking. Personally, I am not buying that you believe this is a playoff team as assembled to start the season. So what are you going to do and when are you going to do it? Give us a reason to remain patient.

    I am starting to feel used, and if I was paying $15k-$20k a year for tickets, I would be a whole lot more ticked off.

  43. I’m just wondering is this just hold mode until season is over and then a house cleaning and new GM and coach come in with their ideas going forward.
    Every move since last trade deadline seems to be about setting this team up to lose, or not improve it at least. So does Bowman have the green light here for this situation and be around next year to keep doing whatever it is he is doing, to bring team back up again.

  44. Silent spot: Totally agree that we are not in a total rebuild.
    Between a management that seems to believe that our aging core can lead us to the promise land and a bunch of long term no trade contracts.
    If the Hawks keep losing perhaps someone in management will figure out that a retool will not be enough to make the playoffs, never mind the cup.
    As for being good in 2 years…..Are the fans on this site serious?
    To expect guys like Joki, Beaudin, Boqvist and Mitchell to lead the Hawks defence in just 2 years? Not going to happen… More like 4 or five years if it happens at all.
    I hope the four horsemen turn out to be really good just like other Hawks fans but let’s be realistic.
    I also hope that some of our young forwards in the system turn out to be good NHL forwards. I don’t see that happening that happening overnight.
    By the time that our young prospects start coming together our aging core will be useless.
    If it was a quick and easy thing to get really good in 2 years every none playoff team would do it.
    If the goal is to be a middle of the pack team for a very long time lets do the retool.

  45. Agree with Stape about trading Crawford, but only if he fetches an early 2nd round pick or highly rated prospect. Face it, the Hawks need to be sellers if they want to be back near the top in 2-3 years.

    Everyone should be on the table except 88, 19, and 28. 17 is a major key to the Hawks’ future success (fingers crossed). We have a very good D corp developing and am confident about several making the team in 1-3 years. Focus needs to be on O and G. Despite 88 and 19 not getting any younger, if they stay healthy, they will be very good for several more years. Younger players will learn from their leadership and high-end skills.

    The problem with being sellers is filling seats. Will fans watch a team that will not be in the playoffs this season and probably next?

    Vegas plays all four lines equally. The Hawks should do the same. Don’t burn out Kane and Toews. Let the youngsters play and learn!

  46. One Montreals 1st goal Martinsen got out of the way of the point shot into a traffic jam that led to Domi’s rebound goal and the radio guys said nothing. They accused Kahun of the same thing on Weber’s goal, but when I watched the replay, I though he was just caught out of position really.
    This collection of individuals just is not pulling the rope together as a team.
    I see no real growth as a team at this point.

  47. Someone way above mentioned Jack Hughes. I have seen him play live 2 times for the USNTP U-18s this year. He is an amazing skater…but I have seen him make SEVERAL really ill-advised plays with puck and he has 1 goal this season. 2 other centers on his own team have a better plus minus. He’s a really talented skater, but I expect a more full package deal for a 1st overall pick. If I held that pick and he shows no growth this year, I would trade down. This guy is no Mathews…I saw him play live at age 16 and he was well ahead of Hughes at 17.
    The last touted #1 pick I saw live that underwhelmed me was Nail Yakupov…

  48. It’s tough to watch this edition of the team.

    The overall result is shocking compared to just two years ago.

    We are the rock bottom of the league.

    Interestingly, the Blues and Kings are right there with us.

  49. One thing to keep in mind is that if you start shipping out Crow, Keith, Seabs, what makes you think 88 and 19 will want to stay? And spare me the salary reasoning.

    The point is these guys are or recently were world class players, and you are asking them to hang around for a couple years of sucking while your young players on D who might be good either prove to be good or that they can’t cut it? And if they can’t? What then?

    And that we might be signing someone for Kane in the offseason? But of course we might not be as every team with cap room will want Panarin, Stone, and some Duchesne.

    Sounds like we would be asking these guys to put a lot of faith in the front office coming through. The same front office that ran Q out of town after 12 games and hired a puppy to be the coach, and didn’t even let him pick his own assistants yet, because they wanted Barry Smith, the guy Q had to run out of practice a few years ago, to be one of the assistants.

    Make no mistake, you start selling off core pieces, and unless it is only Crow, who we can’t afford to lose, they probably all decide to go. So it is probably an all or nothing situation.

  50. I’d expect 2 years.

    Back in the playoffs then and by the third making a run. Henri will be +200 games deep Bovquist hopefully +150 and the othwers at least a season deep.

    I also think itll be at least another year (maybe 2) to see Strome mature into a consistent top 6 player. The foundation is there just needs them reps and a new fitness program.

    The NHL is so diluted talent wise it wont take much of a push to get the Hawks back in the mix.

    Until they can at least get rid of the Mannings and Ruttas of the world (Gus drives me bananas as well and Forsling was not impressive or strike me as competent) theyll get better.

    Shoot look at the difference former whipping boy Connor Murphy made. Those higher end kids cant be worse.

  51. When I said 2 yrs, at beginning of season. I mean we ll have most of the good young drafts playing and figure we add one or two good FW and one good D.
    So I guess I mean that’s the start of being loaded. Most the roster will be young, only just starting or have played one or two yrs in. So not a top team yet, just loaded.

    From then on, 2yrs from now, were coming and will get better each yr. I think we skyrocket because of having such a big wave. Not add one good player each yr and it take 5-10 yrs to be a top team again.

    Now that’s based on the Four Horsemen being really good (if not we add a top ufa Defensemen)(same for FW if needed) and us getting some of these blue chip FW this draft togo with 12 and Kurashev guy.

    I guess what I saying/mean is 2yrs is the start of being good and we just better each yr, as young guys start their prime yrs and are really good for 5-7 yrs or something.

  52. Gonna be a really interesting off-season and TDL. Sad to say that before Xmas but here we are.

    Hope you’re right about that wave Mo. It feels like if 2 or fewer horsemen pan out we are really up the creek.

  53. Also most of the teams that have been top 10 teams, already have been for at least 3 yrs and in another 2 that’s 5 yrs in. What we go 8. So in 2 yrs were coming and most are going weaker.

  54. We do need a Hammer. Hes a player.
    To me were not ready until we got a 81 and 4 back. Those style and kind of guys.

    The Four guys we got arnt like 7 and 4. Nothing says you have to have 2 of top 4 like them. We should have at least one like those guys though and maybe that’s the ufa add/or trade like TB got McD when they were already good at D.

  55. I thought Murphy made the backend much better and the team played better. At least the effort was there most of the game something that’s been missing. But like most are saying here the coach had the wrong guys out at the worst possible time. I guess this will be a learning period for the players as well as coach. Maybe have Savard work with that PP, couldn’t hurt.

  56. Agree on Murphy. He came to play too, and there were a couple of times where he made nice plays to join the rush. There is still hope for him.

    I just had a quick look at the official site where there is a blog by Chris Wescott which included the following posts “Perlini takes a breather” (a more accurate title might read “Dreadful Perlini rightfully benched after failing to meet already low expectations”. Then there was “Hayden impressing with power play time” which might better read “Desperate coach will try anything to jump start league’s worst power play”.

    What’s next from Stan – reacquiring John Scott?

  57. Mo talking about buying out Seabrook contract the caphit for next 5 seasons would be 3.7m, 6.7m, 3.7m, 6.7m and 5.2m. Not good for Blackhawks, because after being bought out he has no contract that is tradeable anymore.

    Noticed the actual cost each year is $833,000 for each year, which would be caphit for years 5 thru 10 of buyout. So a team wanting to get to cap floor could acquire and then buy him out and have those bigger caphits to count for them at a cost of $833,000 a year. To me that is the route that would likely be taken.

  58. A nmc doesn’t prevent him from being bought out but does give him the right to request he clears waivers first also.

  59. Ok. Was thinking of options for the ‘untradeable’ contract.

    Its weird that its not same caphit for the first 5 like the last 5yrs.

    Cap will go up a lot more with expansion team fees? or only for jersey contracts.
    Thinking of floor teams, keep them buying those cheap bastards.

  60. Buyout is twice duration, so last half us just actual cost. First 5 are inflated for salary, signing bonuses paid early in contract. Works same principal as ltir for team that acquires him, big caphit minimal cost, Blackhawks lose his caphit and he is free to sign with say hometown Canucks for a couple of seasons on a low caphit and probably be in money or at least not out any money at the end of the day. I see that as eorkable solution anyways.
    Caps did same with Orpik this summer traded him to Avs i think, they bought him out and took caphit off Caps hands and then Caps resigned for minimum salary.

  61. I could see Seabrook getting the Orpik treatment down the line. I bet these clowns beat the Jets tonight.

  62. Recliner agree it may not happen any time soon, just pointing out that there is a way to move on from his contract any off season if they want too.

    Be a good game to snap out of the funk their in.

  63. Espo4ever– Re: trading down… I have been thinking same lately… if they Get 1st (for everyones- Hughes Pick) … wouldn’t mind Hawks going back several spots- and taking the Taller Forward + mid level pick… to try to get 2 –1st round picks or lower 1st and another high 2nd…

    Me luvs Kaliyev… and Hawks do need some size…

    to Add– I think Lafreniere- 2020 1st pick… is better than Hughes … so maybe trade down for lower 1st this year + another chance for 1st Lotto next year???

    Everyone is on the DUMP Seabs wagon… I guess I was 2 years early on that???

  64. Talking about tradin half the core (he older half) to fully reload and everyones tradable except 19/88/12/28 or so would have us trading the older half of core for more 1sts and 2ndsor3rds picks.

    That would suck to trade down when getting the top pick or top 3 pick, when we know were prob getting top 3 % pick. I understand what your saying and agree that if we could add another pick and still get the same guy we want/if that’s big stud. Were prob getting top 3 % this draft, not so sure about next seasons draft.

  65. Mo– I like 28… but I wouldn’t hesitate including him n trade… for right deal

    I think all of Beaudin/Krys/Mitchell/Boqvist can be better…
    wts- Joker- is probably best on D side of all of these guys today… the others can move puck better… and have more Offensive upside…

    But- if SB finds a buyer (say Leafs- who will trade multiple picks/prospects)…
    might be worth 28

  66. Wall not on bandwagon, people were asking how to get out of it and just gave a possible option.

    Wall depends on what else you get for swapping picks. Kaliyev or that level might only be a couple of spots down by then. If you found someone who really wanted to move up a couple spots might work.

  67. Stan Bowman should be the top of the list to exit Chicago ! What would we get for him ??? A whole lot of satisfaction ! Letting Crow walk will set our team back years ,
    Cory is a huge part of our rebuild ,calm and stable .
    More than half of our forwards are rookies ….think about it …take a deep breath here people ,.,.,.,Seabs and Keith would be an awesome 2,3,4 or 3,4,5 d man on any Cup contender ,.,.,After those 2 warriors all we have on the back end is a couple rookies and a couple a.h.l. ers most of whom are over paid .
    This is a team in transition ,to say the least ,.,.,let them play ,learn from their mistakes ,losing sucks but……we have come full circle .

  68. Hawktalk do you have a high level of confidence that Crow will be really good in the 2020-21 season? Turning 36 half way thru that year. I’m not convinced and the number one objective is for the team, thru trade, draft or finding one to get that guy who is ready to take over after next season.
    Are we seeing signs of reality setting in this year? It’s a question that needs to be asked. (and I realize that part of the issue is the really poor coverage and penalty kill that happening currently) He missed nearly a full year at 33-is his dominate play over because of age, injury and the team as it is?

    and Seabs 5 guy now who is playing as a 2/3 on this current team. He struggles on back to backs and when playing a quick, talented team.

  69. Do you trust this management group to do anything right Noonan .
    And yeah i do have faith in Crow ,.,.,is it his fault he has this team in front of him ? Half the roster is rookies and A.H .L caliber players .

    Gonna be a long few years,.,.,ride it out friends .

  70. Crow and Kane are the only two players that are still performing close to their primes.

    If Crow looks bad at times…..we give up 40 shots per game and many high danger chances. There is not a goalie in the world that will not give up some goals with that kind of exposure.

  71. Noonan 96. Corey Crawford in not the problem. (Now)
    Problem is even with Corey Crawford the Hawks are in last place in the NHL.
    Crawford will not be the answer going forward as he is not getting any younger.
    Goalies are like coaches… They can look like heroes and get all kinds of credit when all star lineups are playing in front of them.
    Put a terrible lineup on the ice in front of them… Hall of fame coaches and supposed superstar goalies turn into mere mortals.
    Our core cannot play forever, can they?
    Wall….You were right about Seabrook… Shoulda, coulda, woulda.

  72. Crawford is fine, when his contract up he can sign a 35+ deal and earn bonuses if he plays. He won’t need protected in expnasion draft if ufa then and Hawks may be able to pluck a goalie to protect from a team who has 2 they can’t protect and want to get a return vs losing them.

    Alot of what we see from core players could be due to personnel they are playing with now. When they are playing with higher level players in a year or 2 i expect their play will pick up. Keith showed signs of playing better when paired with a more skilled Jokiharju early on, now he seems to have regreesed being paired with lesser skilled partners more of the time.

  73. EB the selection camps are on now, Mitchell was on 3rd pair today for what its worth. Beaudin was 6th pair. After this week they play 2 or 3 exhibition games and tourney starts Boxing Day. So anybody who makes will be out of lineup alot until early next year.
    Except if releasing NHL players, the thought is if Jokiharju released he wouldn’t leave before the 23rd , Bkackhawks last game before Christmas break. Not definite on that.

  74. Yea I mentioned that a wk ago or so. The core guys, a lot of them donot not look as good when other team blankets them because we do not have full roster. When we have 4 lines all of sudden, regardless of where their at in careers, everyone of them will look like they drank from the holy grail again. Just like 2013 and on. I expect the same, regardless of age then. not saying they be as good as prime of prime yrs though.

  75. Ian: I would go with you logic about core players struggling due to playing with lesser talents except I thought Saad, Towes and Kane were previously playing on the same line. Am I wrong? Same for Keith and Seabrook playing together.
    The core guys should be able to make other players on the ice better and shouldn’t need the highest skilled guys to be able produce.
    In my opinion if Keith wasn’t running around like a chicken with his head cut Jokiharju would look a lot better.
    Keith and Seabrook were once stars unfortunately that is in the past. If you think that in a year or two they will look better I disagree. Every year that passes their value will drop as no one stays young forever.
    Two years ago both Seabrook and Keith were better players than they are today.
    Fast forward two years from now…. Will they be better? Cmon Ian

  76. Agree with Noonan. Crow getting old and Hawks going nowhere=trade him to contending team with short-to-medium term time-horizon. If a starter on contender gets injured, Crow may have good value in a trade. However, as Crow is injury prone, do not expect a late 1st rounder or highly-talented prospect. Hawks can sign a veteran next year while they develop (Gravel? Delia?) or draft a goalie.

  77. Morrison: You are the most optimistic person I have ever heard in my life.
    Now can you be more realistic… Holy grail again? Regardless of age?
    Cmon….Mo you can’t be serious.

  78. Noonan there isn’t just 2 or 3 people on the ice at a time, there’s 5 out there and have to be on same page. So your argument is kind of chery picking. Not saying they are the same players as a few years ago but could still able to play at a high level yes.

  79. I cannot for the life of me remember when the Hawks were this bad. One thing is for certain, it feels good for the fans like us. Fans of teams that got jobbed by the NHL in favor of these whiny little pussies. It was nice seeing Buff lay out that little turd DeBrincat then watch Strome turtle. Lol. Hawks are legit awful and will be for many seasons. Serves them and their loser, retard delusional fans like the ones here…Morrison especially. Hawks suck and so do you loser frontrunner fans. “Oh we will win the holy grail aboot this later and catch the spirit of the thing Reg…duuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrr” losers!!!

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