NHL Announces Draft, Free Agency Dates

On Friday morning the NHL officially announced key dates for the 2020 offseason.

The 2020 NHL Draft will be held virtually beginning with the first round on Tuesday, Oct. 6 at 6 PM CT . Rounds 2-7 will take place on Wednesday, Oct. 7 beginning at 10:30 AM CT.

Free agency will then open at 11 AM CT on Friday, Oct. 9.

125 thoughts on “NHL Announces Draft, Free Agency Dates

  1. Hopefully Blackhawks have a good draft, get a few more pucks too maybe, be good.

    Wonder why they don’t mention buyouts and Qos as well.

  2. Ebony. The question is how long are you willing to wait. Kayumov was a 2nd rounder in 2016. It’s been 4 years and he still has 2 more years over in Russia. So Kayumov has developed nicely and at the earliest, he will be a Hawk, 6 years after they drafted him. To me that’s fine for a 2nd Or 3rd rounder but not at 17th overall. I want the 17th overall pick to be signed and in the Blackhawks within 3 years.

    If Marat K is available in round 2 and he is the best player sitting there at number 46 overall, by all means nab him.

  3. Craig, that’s a legit question. The Hawks would have to talk with him first to get the sense if he wants to play in N.A. – if it is his dream to do so. It’s the risk of drafting a Russian player – but there are plenty of Russian players who do come over sooner than later so I wouldn’t not draft him for that reason unless there’s concern he is not centered and mature enough to know what his goals are and is strong enough mentally to follow through.

  4. Get rid of Seabrook,Keith,Shaw, Saad… their time was yesterday… free that money up… AFTER that— Draft well, sign a few decent YOUNGER F.A.’s.. get a backup goalie… then we be Rolling… Toads mentioned above need to be gone , otherwise next season is another waste of time.

  5. So Montreal just acquired the rights to defenseman Joel Edmondsson for a 5th round pick.

    To me he is a comparable player to Olli Maatta. Edmondson is a Stanley Cup champ, a #5 defenseman on a good team. He made just over $3 Million so I would imagine it will cost Bergevin a bit more to convince him to forego being a UFA in a month. $4 Million.

    If I’m Stan. I’m listening on Maatta, deHaan and perhaps Murphy. Getting out from just one of those contracts and making way for Mitchell and Carlsson would be solid.

  6. @Craig: the last thing I saw on Artur “AK” Kayumov he was attacking a ref. Unless he’s really amped it up, I think the K might be the place for him.

  7. Jordy that was a year and a half ago.

    Kayumov is now a first line player on his team, Lokomotiv, At 22-years-old.
    16 goals last year as a 21-year-old.

  8. Craig – it seemed a bit unusual that Kayumov resigned in Russia for two more years. Are the Hawks confident that he wants to play in the NHL or is there a chance he never comes to North America?

  9. Craig agree looking to youth is way to go on blueline. In 2 or 3 years after the veterans contracts expire and are gone, as it stands now, on right side could be Murphy, Boqvist, Mitchell or Regula and on left could be Carlsson, Beaudin, Kalynuk and Vlassic, all in the 19 to 23 range right now except maybe Murphy 24 or 25, as the future. Develop them and work them in as they get ready, see who the keepers are and if adds are needed or not.

    MS if Kayumov was told he would need time in Rfd., then it’s not unusual that they stay and develop in khl until the chance to step in and play Nhl right away comes. That’s why some are slower to come over. Ones who are good enough to step into Nhl quicker tend to come over sooner.

  10. @craig…totally agree on Maatta and DeHaan…Stan should be looking to move both if possible..I believe Mitchell will be at least a replacement level player to either and Carlsson may not be far off from being replacement level within the next year or so…I do think Murphy should stay on the roster for two reasons..1. he provides a veteran on the right side..without him, the right side of the Hawks blue line looks thin(I’m not counting on Seabrook to contribute significantly next year so I’m not including him in our right handed defensemen) and 2. 100 plus blocks and 100 plus hits in 5 of his last six seasons..there’s value in the type of game Murphy plays..

  11. For a league playing this tournament to get money to save the money part of the league why do you have the draft on a T. Has to be F or SA night primetime.

    VEG is a good team/top 3 and COL is going to be a good team/top 3 but they havnt beat the big boy hockey teams yet. COL hasnt beat a central team and VEG got whipped by WAS and didnt have to play STL and here DAL another deep in biggish way roster. Cant remember who VEG beat that yr then got it from WAS.

    WIN they are a biggish kind of team but I remember WIN and NAS wore each other out by hammering each other in a series that whoever won had no energy left. WIN being new to playoffs/where have they been since-ohh yea salary cap. VEG got lucky on the timing of that.

    TB has been the best team in hockey since 2015 Blackhawks dynasty. Just like WAS STL paid there dues for many yrs at least TB has for 5 yrs and its there turn. DAL were to win well that would just be funny.

  12. Before 4 yrs or even 6 was fine to wait for draft players. Now that were closer to young wave being ready would stick to 2-3 yr for draft players. Who ever the F is good.

    The Defense will weed itself and even though Haan is good and held up fine in playoff hockey for 2 rounds hes older for the young wave. So yea 5 should be the one to stay longterm with the Horsemen and whoever we keep. Go from there and were still adding a top pair Defensemen ufa wise in next 3 yrs.

    Who are the better top pair Defensemen or who could become top pair in 3 yrs from now? Need a list and on the teams that suck or are going to suck that they would want to leave those teams and join a up and coming Blackhawks roster that is loaded with younger players. The Dach Possy.

  13. Mo, Vegas may very well come back and win this series, can’t count them out as they have been carrying the play. Don’t sell Stars short, Bowness riding a hot goalie and showing the little things a coach can do to make a difference has this team really overacheiving, similar to Blues last year. What really blows me away is how well Lehner has played and an argument can legitimately be made he hasn’t been the best goalie on the ice in any of their 3 series so far.

  14. Hawks management has to change their direction but we all know that’s not going to happen because there is no management. In one of the biggest games of the year they play John Quennvile you know there’s major problems. Need new vision top down

  15. Earl, I wouldn’t have played Quenneville either but I don’t think doing so rose to the level of indicting the Hawks with mismanagement. It’s not like Toews was sat in favor of Quenneville – the choice was Sikura or Hagel so Colliton had to choose a player that would not have impacted the game/series to any significant effect. Plus, it was not done by pulling a name out of a hat – Quenneville was chosen because (1) he added size and physicality that neither Sikura or Hagel could provide, and (2) Quenneville had more NHL experience than the other guys.

    I would have played Sikura because I think he plays the best defensive game and is less prone to mistakes than the other two. But, I don’t think it would have turned the series around no matter if it was Sikura or Hagel playing instead of Quenneville.

  16. We donot know if someone was banged up and wasnt sure if they could play and did/not sure get through game so his skillset was more similiar to that players? Excuses are excuses and what actually happened and why/preparing ahead incase only those guys know that stuff. Not defending.

    People who donot like the ‘tank’ and ‘temp’ ufa players those players/and other reasons are why we have 77 and some other good draft players we would not have if we ‘stayed’ competitive/made playoffs every yr when we wernt winning much and then get nothing like the teams that did that and now those teams have no future.

    We have a nice young nucleolus that we still need to add to instead of no future to get back to top 3 team again. We need another top 5 skill draft player and the 21 or 22 draft could get us that depending on goalie and other.

  17. Pavalskis a VEG dagger. Benn feel shame on 1st PP goal against score his own to get free.

    Ian, yea. DAL jumped on COL by ‘playing’ right out of the gate and then got a break by winning 2 of 3 that was enough to beat them where they didnt have to play even/neck and neck the whole way through. VEG could do what COL did but they dont have the OFF firepower that COL does though they do have the goalies COL did not.

    For DAL to be able to beat NAS almost STL COL VEG they had to be ahead like that. They wont be ahead of TB, not like that they wont and that be it for them.

    Give lots of credit to DAL and ISL as not sauiny/taking last yr doing good and settleing on that and doing better by getting lucky in who they play and sticking to it and going harder then last yr. Just that these teams are not going to beat/they could, the top teams in league. The timing cant be that good for them. At some point one of the top teams like TB this yr will win because they paid there dues and win by destiny like WAS STL TB.

  18. Not that we have to draft a center this draft, wonder who the centers are of the next 2 draft in top 5-15 picks. These are the top centers this draft.

    Bifield 214
    Stutzle 165
    Rossi 179
    Lundell 183
    Zary 174
    Holloway 192
    Mysack 176
    Bourque 163
    Perreault 198

    So Holloway is 2nd highest center for size. Is that who we pick when not getting Bi or Lundell.

  19. Dallas playing man-to-man against teams in this playoff season shows how effective it can be against a fast (Colorado) or physical (Vegas) style of team. It takes commitment from 5 guys on the ice together, something this squad currently in Chicago refuses to do. Dallas has choked off teams that they should have lost to – in my opinion – by playing in their face defense. Pavelski and Perry are playing their roles perfectly: reliable defensively and adding the offensive punch that was needed. What I am seeing is what I think JC wants to see out of his team. Bowman needs to give the coach the players, and the coach needs to get the players to buy into the system.

    Neither of those events has happened yet.

    Notice the teams in the hunt right now and the strong impact of man-to-man defense. NYI are another.

    Unfortunately, it takes more work. That’s on the players. Nobody else can play for them. Motivation problem? I ask only one question of the board: How many of you are getting paid what the players on our team are making, and to do the job you have lived your entire life wanting to get? I wish I was one of them – for even a year.

  20. Yea DAL reminds me a little of STL last yr being deep in most positions roster wise. They havnt been as good as long as SJ WAS STL was but they have been pretty good last few yrs. Thats why I think TB is destiny for this yr.

    COL is coming though and BOS might continue to be good/top 3 for a little longer. So the timing for DAL ISL is good now but wonder.

    VEG cant get any better just be top team/the same for yrs like they have been. Maybe one yr VEG will get lucky timing wise and get to play team like LA did, the 2 worst teams in the finals since salary cap era started, NJ NYR, and win. No disrespect to them but I cant for a rigged expansion draft team that has no right to be good right off the bat. They should suck for 10 plus yrs, paying there dues like every team in league has done before, then earn your roster/place.

    Anyways I am very glad this ‘world cup’ tournament has gone to script for the teams that deserve to win and do good. It buys us time/another yr as we get closer.

    Your right we still need to make the moves and add the players missing from what we see teams doing last couple yrs here to be one of the top teams again.

  21. TB didnt draft 2 of there top pair Defensemen they traded/ufa Mcdounough and Shatten qirk. We need to do the same here.

  22. Silent the Trotz and Bowness definitely have their players believing in them for sure. Trotz though has box style defense that clogs the slot, with defenseman protecting low slot and wingerss stay just above hash marks in faceoff circles, centeran follows the play from side to side above them trying to keep shots on outside and puts 2 or 3 players in shot block position. Doesn’t really use man to man idea of leaving your position and chasing players like Blackhawks in a literal sense at all. Teams that forecheck hard and create opportunity before they set up ala Tampa seem to give them most trouble.

    Stars actually rely on a hybrid trap that clogs the lanes from center ice in and frustrates entries and setting up plays. Again man to man is not the highlight of it. Impressed by Bowness in his time out usage, obvious calming presence on the bench and just a sense of what his team needs for adjustments, similar to Berubes impact on Blues last year.

  23. Little bit of scuttlebutt. The Hawks think Corey is going to take the one year offer.
    From what I’m told, the Hawks are pretty firm on the money. Not really willing to budge. I get the feeling Crawford wants more but the Hawks have pretty much said this is it.

    Also, add Jacob Perreault to the names of the players they like.

  24. Interesting that the other center with size in draft. Seeing the teams that have been doing well last few yrs have the skill and also enough size. TB best team since Blackhawks has to get rid of some skillspeed and get more size.

  25. The supposed negative on Perreault is his skating is sub par. He’s got a very good shot and his puck skill are good, but in today’s NHL I think skating is as important as anything else. Hopefully his dad taught him how to be a good face off guy.

  26. re: Tampa not drafting 2 of their top defensemen – they did draft Hedman, and had assets available to acquire McDonaugh (acquired from New York Rangers with JT Miller for Libor Hajek, Brett Howden, Vladislav Namestnikov, a 1st round pick in the 2018 draft (Nils Lundkvist) and conditional 2nd round pick in the 2019 draft (Karl Henriksson)) and cap space for an incredibly team-friendly deal w/ Shattenkirk (signed a one-year, $1.75M deal as a 30-year-old).

    So if we’re advocating the Blackhawks add someone like those two, I ask a) what prospects are you dealing to get him, and b) what cap space do the Hawks have to add a guy?

    As a reminder for those now looking for the Blackhawks to trade for a top-4 defenseman, the Blackhawks did precisely that when they added both de Haan & Maatta last summer. And they believe a healthy de Haan will be a top-4 guy; they traded forward prospect Aleksi Saarela to get him.

    Take a step back and consider what the Blackhawks have in-house on the blue line (and in the system) befor we begin comparing to the teams remaining in the playoffs. Chicago’s big addition to the blue line for next season is Ian Mitchell. The end. Consider the back end relatively set looking to next year, though one guy will likely be gone to provide the necessary cap space to re-sign Kubalik and figure out the goaltending situation. Chicago has work to do to make the math work for next season.

  27. I did some reading on Perreault and the knock on his skating is more about his motor than his stride. He ranked very well in skating tests but it doesn’t always translate in games for whatever reason. I suppose it’s not unusual for mid-first round selections and later to have a wort or two but if the wort is motivation related – that’s a red flag. Then again, Perrealt played for a bad team so keeping your motivation high can be a challenge. The problem the Hawks brass will have is they won’t have the combine tests and interviews to sort through those concerns.

  28. Addition by subtraction, this team can’t add anyone without moving someone. All this talk about free agent pick ups is a pipe dream without freeing up $. Time to make decisions for the future and start the process moving forward.

  29. Definitely decisions around who stays around on blueline. If Seabrook isn’t ready at start of season, that would buy some ltir time and a spot until he is.
    With anywhere from 4 to 6m in potential bonuses, ltir not the final answer though.
    Still need a caphit moved at some point.
    We assume Maatta but reality could be Murphy the most moveable/best return.
    Dehaan and Koekkoek have shown they could fill in on rightside if needed. Possible pairing Keith and Dehaan together or with Boqvist and Mitchell seperately will happen. That leaves question marks over how the rest of them factor in or out.

    Earl i think a process has begun with a good core of skilled forwards and defense begun and addition without subtraction can start to happen in a couple of years. Get flat cap years over restart all contracts they want. Then being aggressive in acquiring bigger caphits to help where needed. If a future goalie is landed this off season, the course is there, just gotta trust it’s the right one i guess, not much else we can do.

  30. If you want an example of a guy whose skating isn’t elite, but whose play is, look no farther than Ryan O’Reilly. The point is that if a guy ticks enough boxes he can still be a terrific player even if his skating isn’t stellar. Perreault looks interesting (I’ve haven’t been much on picking a goalie with the first rounder since we got skinned on Jimmy Waite).

  31. I can also tell you the Hawks are extremely high on Wyatt Kalynuk. They believe he is bigger, stronger and faster than Ian Mitchell at this point. A 23-year-old versus a 21-year-old.

    Scott Powers recently wrote that the Hawks Really like Sam Colangelo. I can tell you NOT at 17 they don’t.

  32. Didnt mean there top 2 just 2 of there top Defensemen. Defenesemen that are/could be top pair D guys. They didnot draft. Everyone says we need to add real top pair Defensemen and thats how TB did even though they had who they had already. Not saying we needed to trade for both just that we prob need 2 and if its ufa we will have the cap space. Not right now but when the contracts are up in 3 yrs yrs we basically could sign an entire core of players since only 2 is on there after 3 yrs.

    Looking down the road not now/next yr.

  33. All this talk about free agent pick ups is a pipe dream without freeing up $.

    None of us/I am not talking about this summer. Wasnt before, I am referring to 3 yrs from now when we will only have like 15m on the books. Didnt mean to confuse or distract anyone here. I am looking at and talking about the big picture.

  34. Normally I wouldnt draft goalie 1st round this maybe the once in a 15 yrs kind? Normally draft a top pair Defensemen, can we not with the 77 pick. Hes a better franchise player then pretty boy, whats his name again.

    Would imagine we draft another top 6 FW in this draft and aquire a top pair Defensemen ufa wise and trade for/or ufa a goalie liek DAL did TB goalie or maybe like others said a younger guy whos looking for 1st goalie position and we score on it.

    If were trading 20 or even 12 at any point have to get a 1st draft and then add ufa wise similar player so we end up with 2 for 1. We can do it this way.

    Plan ahead and now who the better elite Defensemen are in 2/3 yrs ufa wise and build a roster they would want to come to. The Dach possy is.

  35. Would be sweet and needed if Kalnuk is another top 4 Defensemen along with Mitch. Would help bigtime if we only need 1 top pair D guy ufa wise.

  36. Craig no doubt the talk when Kalynuk signed was he was close to Nhl ready. He took the loophole of being a 20 yr, old when drafted to become a fa after 3 yrs instead of 4 in Ncaa. Talked to teams and picked where he thought he had best opportunity to play right away was his reason for doing so and Bowman kinda indicated he would be in competition for a roster spot. Maybe he is the one to stick out of camp, I thought with so many bodies on left side, he would start in Rfd.

  37. DAL jumped on COL and ‘played’ the first game same here so expect to see like COL and STL last yr to win a game or and then does DAL get to finals since Ed Belfour? Was that the time.

  38. Really happy to see Dallas in finale…still think that Golden Knight Should had Play Fleury In that game but they didn’t use him and The Knights where unable to score goal In that series because Dallas where always in their face
    I would love to see Dallas winning the Cup because they never quit and they are really playing with their heart.
    Lehner will not bring them to a final …he his a good goalie but not a the guy who will make the difference for his team in playoff. He had to make that save and he didn’t and now they will play golf.

  39. Jamie Benn is a man … no, make that a beast. Whatever physical beat down Vegas thought they could inflict on Dallas – Benn said no. He looked like a great white shark swimming around looking for something to devour. He seemed to lose something a couple seasons ago but he is back big time. I didn’t think Dallas would beat Vegas – I was wrong. I don’t don’t have strong feeling either way for Dallas but I think they will represent the Western Conference well in the SCF. It should be great entertainment.

  40. I have a gut feeling, after watching Dallas,Vegas,Tampa,and the Islanders,that this Hawk team gets broken down removing inconsistency and floating types of players.I could see moving Strome,Nylander,Smith,Saad,with Carpenter and Highmore having to struggle for roster spots.On the defensive side they would move Maata and Koekkoek with Boqvist battling with Kalykuk and Mitchell for 2 spots.I think they will pickup a top 4 free agent D Man,a top 3 Center,and a pair of physical forwards with Hagel,Barratt,Kurashev,and a draft pick competing for the last couple of spots.At Goalie I think they will trade for 1 of the Ranger Goalies especially if Crawford does not sign.It is a lot to get accomplished but it is necessary in order to compete.

  41. Tim, those thing could be done this summer and next summer. Thhos are the moves that were making and prob more then that in next 3 yrs anyways.

  42. All of this talk about who should stay and who should go. That’s all wonderful but lets not forget who’s making those calls again, yep good ‘ol Stan “the man” Blowman. This will be another train-wreck of an off-season and next season will probably blow because Stan can’t manage his way out of a paper bag. Yet another wasted season for Kane/Toews who are not getting younger.

  43. How about we put Mitchell and Carlsson together as our 3rd pair and never separate them. Keith and Seabs were 22 and 23 I believe when they were first stuck together. Chemistry is a big belief I have for a hockey team to be a Stanley Cup Champion. This way they will know each others tendencies and grow together in the NHL. They could be our next Keith and Seabs and be the 2nd pair of Blackhawks defense men that play 1000 games together.

    Keith DeHaan
    Boq Murphy
    Mitchell Carlsson
    Koekkoek

  44. Olczyk is a damn smart hockey guy.

    He said something very interesting tonight:

    Want to increase scoring chances?
    Make periods 1 & 3 the periods of the long line change.

    Maybe his front office position search will land him on the rules committee on the NHL.

  45. Meanwhile, Laviolette signs with Capitals.

    Scratch one Cup winning/contending coach off list to replace coach Greg Brady.

    Wonder if he will dress Dennis Arkipov to skate with Toews in his next critical game?

  46. Might be able to do some moves cap for cap. Oilers have a decision on whether to offer Athansiou a 3m Qo, Bolts having to do cash dump are expected to shop Killorn, both could maybe get lucky come reasonable and not lose alot. Killorn at 4.45m with 2 more years control than Saad, could fill his void until a youngster is ready to step in. Signing Athansiou instead of Strome and both combined caphits be about equal. Maybe make a 3rd line of big speed with Athansiou, and speedsters like Kursahev, Nylander, Suter, Chalupa etc., fighting to fill out a extremely fast 3rd line, with speed to burn.
    That leaves Killorn with 19 and 8, plus 12 and 88 with 77 as other 2 offensive lines.

    Agree don’t foresee any major moves on blueline outside of a move for capspace and making room for youngsters if ready to force issue. Hope to see some answers beyond Crawford in goal, either at draft or other methods.

  47. Were not doing much this summer other then those kinds of things. Its really about who we want to keep and trade to get return for players like 20 that we might not keep or even if we want to be creative and trade players like that for where there contract is and get the same or whatever type player we need ufa wise fir the cap space. That way we get 2 players instead on 1.

  48. Well, now that Kitchen got ‘kicked’ out of Florida, I wonder if Q will ‘quit’…. Get it???

    I’m bored.

  49. 3 yrs ago if people would have said/and they did we have to wait 5 or 6 yrs before were a top team again people would have jumped. At least this way it only felt like 2 yrs and were now seeing the young wave start to come in and with an elite of the elite players in the league with 77. So 2/3 yrs from now seems like fine instead of think 6 yrs and such then.

  50. The worst thing for DAL is to have to wait a wk to play again. They beat COL and VEG by ‘playing’ the first game and jumping on other team and getting lucky by winning 2 of next 3. Even though they deserved to win. So with a wk layover that could be whats screws them more not just the top team in the league.

  51. Ian I like your idea of swapping Saad for Killorn and saving on the cap, and using that to get another player. But I seriously doubt Stan has the wherewithal to pull a plan like that off.

    Which is why we likely will be stuck in neutral until Kane and Toews contracts expire. When you have guys like them and Keith, generational talent, you don’t tear the whole thing down and start over, as there is no guarantee you will ever get anyone nearly as good as them. However, in the Hawks attempt to both be competitive and retool at the same time, I would have liked to see more aggressive creativity, more of a plan, executed by the front office.

    If they put as much time and effort into how to build the team as they did on how to get rid of Q, we would have a much better situation on our hands.

  52. Hereismike makes a salient point that there is no guarantee doing a complete tear down rebuild will result in adequately replacing the generational players being shipped out. Toews, Kane and Keith are HOF players who are still playing well enough to be attractive to other teams but they will not similar value in a trade other than draft picks who happen to become great players which is a very small probability. Hence the sticky wicket the Hawks are in.

  53. How about a Dcat for Athanasiou and Puljujarvi rights. Where’s Chiarelli when you need him.

    Toews Kane Saad Carpenter Kampf Dach Nylander Highmore. Kubalik Athanasiou Puljujarvi at 3mil each. Strome at 2mil = 42.514

    Keith DeHaan Murphy Boqvist Mitchell Carlsson and Koekkoek at 1mil =17.549

    Crow and Fluery at 3.5mil each

    Seabs and Shaw 10.775

    You got Puis Chaupa and Morrison at .925 each to fill out roster at 80.613 mil

  54. I watched a YouTube video on Pius Suter yesterday. I don’t recall the guy who did it but it was before he signed with the Hawks and he was commenting that Suter should sign with the Wings with one of the main reasons being that Bertuzzi and Fabbri were his linemates when he played for Guelph a few years ago. The guy was singing the praises and thought he would be a very good player in the NHL. It got me juiced. Needless to say I hope he’s right.

  55. I have a question for the commenters here who follow trades and trade value more than I do..the Athletic has a great article about 22 nhl players who could be on the trading block..number one on the list is Patrik Laine..obviously, Winnipeg has a ton of young wingers but not much center depth or depth on their blueline..so here’s my question..Stan offers Dach, Mitchell, and one of our third rounders this year for Laine..who wins or loses that trade if Winnipeg were to say yes? Personally, I like the idea of building a hockey team starting with as many high upside centermen and defensemen as possible, so for me it would be a massive overpay by the Hawks and would be a no for me…but a 22 year old who has scored an average of 34.5 goals a year in his first four seasons? Assuming the Hawks trade Saad this offseason in order to fit Laine into the top six, your top six would look like this..

    Laine-Toews-Kubalik
    Cat-Strome-Kane

    Anyhoo, interested to hear what others think..I know this is just a fantasy exercise but I am curious in regards to value..Do Dach, Mitchell and a 3rd hold more value than a proven goal scorer who hasn’t reached his prime yet?

  56. It appears Eddie O didn’t get the GM job in Arizona either.

    I guess it will be here in Chicago.

    Darcy Kuemper? Sounding like maybe Crow is feeling underloved.

    The good news – When Eddie gets named GM we can have the Flower become our new goalie.

  57. One thing around rfas, Kubalik, Cagguila, Koekkoek and Subban is if any of them go arbitration, then the 2nd buyout window would be an option which is there to allow teams to get down cap limit after losing an arbitration case.

  58. OK
    Who has the answer?

    Why do so many NHL players have the puck between the rings, 20-30 feet out, and try to pass to a teammate at the bottom of the face off circle?

    Is there a new rule that says no shooting from this location?

  59. Hmmm. Crawford not happy with the money and the offer. Let him walk. Cold realty but he has made his money. $6 million a year for a long time. Most people do not make a fraction of that in their lifetime let alone in a pandemic.

    New decade, new vision. Less money on Aging goaltending, more money on depth.

  60. Craig, have you heard Crawford is not happy with the offer or are you speculating because the deal hasn’t gotten done yet?

    I hope he agrees to the ~$3.5M short term deal, but I’m in agreement with you that if not – let him walk. Stan must hold the line – this is more than about rewarding an old soldier – it’s about the future of franchise and how quickly they can become competitive again. Hopefully Stan has learned from the Seabrook deal that you can either be loyal and sentimental and reward a favorite player or you can run a successful business – pick one, you can’t do both.

    There’s another dynamic at play here as well. If Stan holds the line and Crawford moves on – it sends a signal to 2/7/19/88 that says the old days are gone, we’re building to the new days – you can be a part of it or not – your choice.

  61. If Crawford is being given a firm line that he might not agree to, I hope that the organization has plans to have a quality goaltender in place. Stan et al have said younger players will be given time to develop. I would rather it not be in a situation where they pretty much know they’re going to get their brains beat in night in and night out because of lack of decent net minding.

    Unless there is truly a great “goalie of the future” in the organization that they intend to play and “develop” during the mini-rebuild, I sure hope they are going to try and find someone established they can agree to terms with.

    As for Crawford personally, I begrudge none of the proven veterans to ask for what they think they are worth. To me it’s not a “Perlini Situation” in this case. If Crawford doesn’t like the deal and can get better elsewhere, more power to him. The business side of things goes both ways.

  62. Thats why it actually good that we got those ‘tank’ and ‘temp’ ufas that people didnt want/like because it helped us get 2 top 8 draft players and better position in 2nd picks like Vlassic/others. If w had managed the players better for trades/ufas then we wouldnt have the future core players/some of them that we have now. Those players getting them is our only chance at top 3 team again.

    While keeping 19 88 and 2 for more yrs.

  63. ER, we need some players like that and the ones we get from Euro before. That way it will make up for the ‘ufas’ people didnt like and we got the better draft players to.

    Kind of like waiting 3/4 yrs for college players takes more time when we have it and want higher draft picks quality and then once we get to those 3/4 yrs were right where we want to be.

    Very important to get players like that that can play. Got to have a excellent 3rd line.

  64. Think a message was sent to old guard when McDonough was fired. If you remember when Bowman said he didn’t need 19 and 88s approval of how he did his job and they had a contract and a choice to be part of the process. When Kane was asked about Bowmans comment, he said he would be talking to McDonough in off season. We know what happened.

    Strong chance Crawford doesn’t return, may end up with a contender with cap issues on a low caphit/ high performance bonuses type deal. Seabrook if healthy and not playing, a way is found to accommodate a trade for him within a year. As for 19,88 & 2, unless they ask for a trade be a place for them as long they are able to contribute.

  65. Kind of always felt it would only be 19 88 2 here the entire time.

    Whos top team and needs a goalie COL. It would be weird to have Flow in CHI.

  66. How many more good yrs does Flow have anyways. Hes not young enough for the young wave so we still need a goalie then anyways.

  67. Absolutely Craig,Let Crawford go and let’s find our next Goalie.In these times I don’t see how anyone thinks they are going to play hardball salary speaking.The Hawks are not anywhere near ready.Alot of tearing down and reconstructing of this roster still needs to be done.

  68. Even though we have many moves for when the young wave is ready were not doing much these 3 yrs with virus salary cap and even if we did trade for picks/good prospects players it doesnt matter for these 3 yrs since were not a top 3 team in these 3 yrs coming up. It took BOS a couple yras and a excellent team system to be a top 5 team again.

    Sure need to have the players to do it and we do have them coming. What we need to do these 3 yrs like you said many moves is get some of the positions tat need to be adjusted out done so were ready in a couple yrs when young wave is and be ready to pay caphits for elite ufa players as guys like 50 7 others wont be here then and we can use those caphits for elite ufa players.

    Full circle.

  69. So can anyone answer my question?
    Been seeing it all playoffs long.
    All the teams seem to be doing it.

  70. Why do so many NHL players have the puck between the rings, 20-30 feet out, and try to pass to a teammate at the bottom of the face off circle?

    Is there a new rule that says no shooting from this location?

  71. I agree with the one year offer to Crow but I’m not surprised he hasn’t jumped at the offer. He might as well see if he can get a multi-year deal from someone else. His challenge is not only his age but also his injury history. My question is do we need one goalie or two? I don’t see either a starter or quality back-up in the system (assuming Crow leaves). I don’t think Delia or Lankinen are solid backups and likely not Subban either.

    Perimeter – I am amazed watching teams pass up shots throughout the playoffs. I am wondering if this possibly has to do with advanced stats that may be impacting where shots come from or are driving possession over shot attempts. It makes no sense to me.

  72. From Elliot Friedman’s 31 Thoughts this week :

    “23. Initially, Chicago and Corey Crawford were not seeing eye to eye on the dollar value of an extension. Crawford knew there would be a cut. How much was the issue.”

  73. A friend texted me that Darren Dreger had a tweet up about the Hawks trading for Pietrangelo’s rights for a 4th rounder

    The tweet was quickly deleted so it seems Dreger either jumped the gun or was misinformed – maybe there’s more to this?

    Something to watch

    If it were true who wouldn’t want Pietrangelo although it would mran trading away someone like Saad to make room under the cap

  74. Wrap it would mean Blackhawks would have to say move Saad and Maatta, buyout Smith, then have say a lineup of.
    65 19. 8
    12. 77. 88
    Suter, 17, 92/kurashev
    39 64 22= 43.1m

    2, piet at 8.5m
    44, 5
    27, 7. Mitchell. 31.165m

    Kuemper. Delia. 5.5. Smith buyout 1.1m overage .55m at 50% split = 81.4m with no ltir. Allows

    Could be done and a top 6 fwd. Rental at tdl tdl option if that was the big void. Not likely but still stays course on future, have 44 6 and 65 salaries up in 2 years, for 77, 27 etc resigns, plus gotta think 7 or half of his moved, plus unless Nylander or someone steps up be no big resigns next year. Maybe Crawford resigns for less just making reasonable room by saying Kuemper at 4.5m

  75. That would be Kubalik signing for 4m and Strome for 1.5m or resign Cagguila if not and Suter or Kurashev as 3c. Injuries would mean ltir usage as season goes on.

  76. MS, I see the goalies being similar to the 2 yrs when Crow got hurt and we didnt have even one NHL goalie happening again. Well of not Crow then I would we get a decent goalie somewhere and prob be around same 3.5 anyways.

    “23. Initially, Chicago and Corey Crawford were not seeing eye to eye on the dollar value of an extension. Crawford knew there would be a cut. How much was the issue.”

    To me what difference does it matter if Crow got 5 instead of 6 or 3.5m were not a top team right not yet and were not adding the missing players we need to become a top 3 team in these next couple yrs so really there no reason we cant have Crow at 5 or even the same 6.

    Unless were adding an elite top pair Defensemen of power two way FW this off season and I didnt think we were doing that. Unless we have Crow at 3.5 ltir 65 and trade 7 and trade others buyout ‘temp’ ufas. Then we could.

  77. Wrap, thats funny because I just posted why else would Crow have to ba that much lower when were not adding anyone net couple yrs. Doesnt have to be 50 6m to 3.5m & 20 6m to 0m to have the space. Can be buyout Smith Shaw ltir trade Seabs and other to make that happen.

  78. As much as I would love to see PIETRANGELO in a Hawks uniform,without those several corresponding moves previously mentioned and his age,I don’t think it is the right time unfortunately.Along with going out and getting 2 quality Centers and at least 3 strong forwards you would have to be able to get rid of Seabrook,s , Shaw,s ,and Smith,s salaries.On top of that you would have to move out Maata,Koekkoek,on the defense and Saad,Nylander,Strome,Smith from the forwards and find 2 Goalies ready to win now.Then hope that a few of the young guys like Kalykuk,Mitchell,Barratt,Hagel,Suter,and Kurashev are ready to crack the lineup right away.Under a different G.M. and Head Coach I might hold out optimism but not so much at this time with this regime.

  79. Tim, sure thats what we got to do and got 3 yrs to do it. Those moves need to be made by tehn so start/do any at any point along the way. Yea not sure if Pie is young enough in 3 yrs from now when were ready to roll again.

    To me Seabs caphit covers who ever were going to have as a top pair D guy. Sure thats in a few yrs from now, by basically tarding Seabs caphit for the new to pair guy, amybe a little on top but its there right there.

    Thats why I was wondering a list of top pair D guys or Defensemen that would become a top pair in next 3 yrs and those whoare on shit teams so they would want to leave and come to CHI.

  80. THose moves are needed to get roster full. We donot need to clear 20 m to get a 8 m top pair Defensemen.

    Just to get a top pair Defeensemen what 7-10 m is needed. Thats Crow and Saad or any combo that gets around 8/9 m.

    I would look at Seabs 7m and a buyout Smith and thats 11 m right there. Plenty enough. For a top pair D guy in couple yrs from now/whos younger.

  81. I am basically looking at next couple few yrs to get all of these things done.

    Without Crow who are the top 3 draft players in the 21 draft.

  82. The Wild are making moves, and perhaps not surprisingly they’v decided to not resign their long time captain Mikko Koivu. Pretty strong at the dot but he’s been going down the line the last couple of years and I think he played a lot of fourth line last season.

    Of course the Blackhawks won’t sign a guy like him, even if he still wants to play. But it brings up the question to me of the strength at the center position for the Blackhawks overall. After 19 and 77, what’s really in the cards for the team? Does Strome really fit in as a long term Blackhawks player? Streaky, not steady. Plays well with DeBrincat at times, but is even dogged by Eddie-O for his lack of effort (i.e. just doesn’t move his legs enough on the ice to try and make up for the fact he’s not an elite skater).

    Guys like him and Nylander, and the organization’s/Colliton’s placement and use of them worries me going forward.

  83. Tim W not saying it would happen, just saying to get that far what it would take. That’s to start season, definitely need some bottom 6 forward development and backup goalie during year. think Suters potential for center being overlooked. Don’t believe in dumping young forwards, continually hear about Bowmans past mistakes in jumping that gun. Maybe if he got a rental top 6 next year, the number 17 pick this year depending on who would be ready by end of following year to step into that role. Next off season be bolster support areas with no big signings. Like i said doubt it, just showing it’s isn’t impossible.

  84. Ian – buying out Maatta and Smith are probably going to happen regardless of Pietrangelo but if he were to sign with Hawks then likely Saad would need to go and probably KK not resigned and maybe neither Strome and/or Caggiula

    The Hawks being interested in Pietrangelo makes a lot of sense to me unless the Hawks were moving on from 19, 88 and 2 which we know they’re not

    Alex gives them a #1 D man and that slots everybody else down closer to where they belong for optimum performance

    Plus it would show 19, 88 and 2 that the Hawks are still serious about competing which in turn could persuade Crow to resign on the cheap

    From Pietrangelo’s POV the Hawks would have to convince him that they’re on the right track to compete for a Cup but I would think the presence of 19, 88 and 2 and maybe 50 and 7 (all of whom he has great respect for) would help enormously

    Signing Pietrangelo would be the sort of bold move that Stan doesn’t usually make so I’m not really expecting it to happen but I would applaud the move if it did

  85. I say F it and lets get Pie. We might trade 20 anyways at deadline for a 1st and then would have used tha cap space on another FW so use it for the top pair guy we need.

    The 1st pick this draft could be good. Make the moves this summer and the next 2 summers. Then go from there. 7 caphit in a few yrs might be 77.

    Full circle.

  86. Hawks prospect Parker foo has left union college to sign in the khl. Was a senior to be. Hawks still have a year on his rights, but he isn’t trending well either way.

  87. I think it’s not only a pipe dream but it would also be the wrong thing to do to sign Pietrangelo.

    First, the pipe dream – why would he want to sign with the Hawks? They can’t afford to offer him a salary as high as other teams could, plus they are not a Pietragelo away from winning the Cup as some other teams might be.

    Next, it’s the wrong thing to do because it will derail the youth movement and the win now movement in one fell swoop. As stated earlier, Pietrangelo is not the final piece to make the Hawks a Cup contender because to sign him will mean subtracting Saad or other pieces the Hawks would need to be a viable playoff team. He would take one of the top-6 roles and therefore delay a young player from getting the experience to be a top-6 player sooner than later. Essentially, there is as much or more of a negative effect by signing Pietrangelo than the positive effect of having him in the lineup.

    The only way it could make sense to sign Pietrangelo is if Seabrook’s cap hit miraculously disappeared. But even then, Pietrangelo would need to want to sign with the Hawks over signing with a team better positioned to challenge for the Cup and that is not very likely.

  88. Thinking we can send DCat and Smith to Ottawa for picks. Frees up 9.6 mil. Up in the air about signing Pie. Let’s try to get some offense and let the young defense grow. If we tell a FA to sign a short contract with the opportunity to play on the Dach Kane line. His numbers would go up and he can command a longer more lucrative contract when the Covid Cap disapears.

    Sign a Hoffman or Dadonov to a one year or two year max. Sign a Toffoli or Hall to a 3year or 4 year max. 30+ year olds short term contracts.

    A Domi Athanasiou or Rienhardt might be able to grow with our young guns is an idea also. 25 year olds.

  89. Ultimately right and wrong ways are measured by success, winning more cups is the only right way to go. What kind of time frame pressure for success they are under to win will dictate how management proceeds, ownership, roster etc. will be condidered.

  90. EB – the Hawks can score with any team really including TBL and DAL it’s their defense that obviously not contender status – Pietrangelo immediately makes the Hawks playoff relevant again

    Of course if Seabs’ contract went away that would be ideal but if it doesn’t a defense of Pie, 2, 44, 5, Boquist and Mitchell is still competitve IMO

    Add a couple of better defensive 3C as we go along and the Hawks would be a lot better in short order

    However I agree Pie coming to CHI is not likely to happen

  91. Wrap, Pie would improve the d-corps, no doubt, but to afford him they probably need to trade Saad which weakens team defense. The “tougher to play against” narrative was said to be needed and that includes a lineup with Saad in it. If it’s DCat that gets traded to open cap space for Pie, then the offense isn’t good enough to compete.

    It’s all academic anyway because Pie isn’t pining to sign with the Hawks and certainly not for a lower salary than another team can offer him.

  92. Wrap don’t expect to see Pietrangello signed, no discount expected but your point if they are keeping 88 and 19 around with intentions of another cup run, then going for it asap would make the most sense. Young defense still a few years from their peaks so not really interferring with that. Blues winning the cup last year at New Years was a pipe dream, Pens at New Years in 2016 was a pipe dream, winning back to back was the ravings of a lunatic, shit happens that’s sports. Young forwards in system are more of bottom 6 so lots of oppportunity to keep developing. Saad be missed at start of season but either way good chance he is gone at end and not resigned anyways, so no biggie there really. Will it happen not likely but who really knows what either side wants.

  93. Pie or another top pair D guy we are adding one. Wether its this summer or next 2 summers after this. The young core with 19 88 and maybe 2 are not winning without adding a top pair defensemen. So I rather have a younger one then Pie but whoever it is we have to add one. Look at it as the top pair defensemen who replaces Seabs.

    Its going to happen at some point in next 3 summers.

  94. ER, thats the thing tha helps us most top teams are at the cap and have players to pay so they cant add a top pair guy without getting rid of someone.

    We can because we have Seabs caphit in a few yrs.

    For this yr 2021 sure nothing will make us a top 3 team. That doesnt mean we cant start making necessary moves each summer the next 3 summers.

  95. Raoam, not saying Pie or nothing just add a top pair guy in next 3 yrs and we ll have the space then. Which ever we we go about it we have loads of space in 3 yrs and cap goes up. I prefer a young elite top pair D guy thats closer to 27 28 when we sign them as a ufa.

  96. Ian, for time table I think it has to be when 19 88 are 40 ish and until then load the young wave. Any players older then young wave and younger then 19 88 keep short term yrs so that doesnt matter.

    load young wave.

    I like Roamns player just above/older then young wavers. Those 25 old players are the ones to try with young wavers next 3 yrs.

  97. Agree with everyone here about Pie and not coming here but we have to add a top pair D guy at some point in next 3 yrs. So during the offseason here want to make a ufa list of players who will be 27 28 29 next 3 yrs. Ideally better if the player is on a shit team so they wont want to stay there.

  98. Well they did it again didnt think they would with the longer layover. DAL jumped out and ‘played’ and got ahead. See if they can lucky for 3rd time in a row and win 2 of next 3. Thats how they beat COL and VEG.

    If DAL cant win 2 of next 3 its been TB yr the whole time if its 2-2.

  99. Point and Kucherov don’t look like they’re 100% – they’re usually a half step quicker than they looked tonight.

    I predicted Dallas in 6 with Benn winning the Connie, but the way Khudobin is playing it might be him taking home the hardware if Dallas wins.

  100. WRAP,I have been singing that quality 3rd Center song for a couple of years now.Although I have thought about getting a #1 or #2 Center and moving Toews down to #3 to win faceoffs and kill penalties.If DACH keeps up his rapid improvement,I think thats where we are heading.I still wish we would have traded for Calgary,s San BENNETT before he had a strong playoff season.He is the ideal #3 Center.

  101. Be good with a 2nd or 3rd center with 19 77 being top 2 we could get an ideal 3rd if 2nd isint ideal. 19 would be fine at 2nd center. Thing is how do lines go 88 aint playing the way 81 20 10 did on the head to head line 10-20/19/81.

    I would get the most ideal 3rd center.

  102. I’m all for signing pie. But only if the hawks can move de hann, maatta, smith and seabrook. Clear out their money and taking care of our cap situation.
    I know seabs in untradeable unless so much is attached to him or a bad contract swap ala Ryan or eriksson plus whatever the difference.

    Keith-Pieterangelo
    Murphy-Boqvist
    Koekkoek-Mitchell
    Carlsson-Gilbert
    Beaudin-Regula
    Kalynuk-Krys

  103. I’m all for signing pie. But only if the hawks can move de hann, maatta, smith and seabrook.

    We know we can trade Haan Maatta buyout Smith its Seabs contract. So Shaw on ltir could be a bulk of Seabs caphit.

  104. Guys. The Hawks have absolutely no interest in Petroangelo. None. Just don’t have the salary cap.
    Also on Crawford, it appears the Hawks are just going to let their offer sit there. They are not putting any pressure on him to make up his mind.

  105. What would Corey Crawford do if Chicago decided to go in another direction with their goaltending?

    Would any NHL team pay Crawford more than 3.5 million for 1 season?

    Would any GM besides Bowman offer Crawford 3.5 million?

  106. Good question what would Crawford be worth on open market. If he really wants a shot at another cup, could see Leafs offering him a deal where his salary is 1 million caphit and he has a realistic opportunity to earn 3 or 4 m in performance bonuses on a 35+ deal. They could do that and keep Anderson too if they wanted too for a cup run. Woulld make sense for both sides and may be his best chance too if he turns down 3.5m to stay.

    Not surprised Craig if they haven’t any interest in Pietrangelo, if they wanted cap space could be made available but be a give and take move to do it.

  107. “Would any NHL team pay Crawford more than 3.5 million for 1 season?”

    Yes. I tend to think he could get a 2-year deal in this market because of his track record of winning big games/championships. There are teams that would kill for a goaltender like Crawford. We’ve taken him for granted for almost a full decade.

  108. I think that makes all kinds of sense. Don’t you think Joe Sakic would have loved to have Crawford to turn to when their goalie went down instead of a bunch of unproven netminders? Toronto needs an upgrade, Calgary, Edmonton, etc. There are a lot of guys available however, so it will truly be a game of musical chairs for the goalies this offseason. It’s a buyer’s market.

    But Crow is right at the top of the guys available for any team with Cup aspirations if he is healthy enough, which he seemed to be last year.

  109. Thats what I said when I listed COL as a team that Crow could go to that is a top team that needs a goalie. He already bought a house there to a couple yrs ago.

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