Officials, Bruins Beat Blackhawks In OT

After Corey Crawford helped the Blackhawks pick up one point in the standing for a lackluster effort in Minnesota on Tuesday night the team came home to face the powerful Boston Bruins.

Boston sent out their top line for the opening faceoff. Jeremy Colliton countered with Zack Smith, Ryan Carpenter and Alex Nylander. Sure, why not?

The first 20 minutes of the game felt a lot like the opening 40 last night. Chicago was getting outworked by a strong Boston team, but on this night it was Robin Lehner standing tall between the pipes. Late in the first period, Lehner made a spectacular save.

The good followed the bad for the Blackhawks in the second period. David Krejci hit Adam Boqvist from behind and sent him into the boards hard – and awkwardly. Boqvist took his time getting to his feet and skated off favoring his right arm. He went to the room immediately.

On the subsequent power play the Hawks were able to get on the board. Kirby Dach was marvelous after taking a high hit from Zdeno Chara. He was able to keep a clearing attempt in the zone and, after getting the puck to Patrick Kane, parked himself in front of the net. The shot came in and Dach battled for the loose change long enough that it popped out the side to an attacking Alex DeBrincat.

Dach picked up an assist for the fifth consecutive game and earned every bit of it. Kane was also credited with an assist.

Six minutes after the DeBrincat goal, Sean Kuraly tied the game for Boston. The Bruins remained the more aggressive team in the second period but Lehner continued to make big saves to keep the Hawks in the game.

The Hawks got another power play late in the second. Jeremy Lauzon caught Kane in the face with his stick at 16:43 and took a seat. Chicago did nothing with this advantage, however.

When the dust settled after two periods, the score was tied at one. Boston held a 27-13 shot advantage; the Blackhawks were credited with five in the first and eight in the second.

Unfortunately as the third period began the bad news came: Boqvist was done for the night.

The third period came and went without a goal. But it wasn’t without some controversy.

The officiating of this game was horseshit the entire night, but it was especially brutal in the third period. There were a couple sequences where there were clear penalties on Boston that should have been called – but weren’t. There were a couple instances where there could have been penalties called on the Blackhawks that weren’t.

The United Center nearly lost it’s collective mind with 65 seconds left in regulation. Chicago was going to get a power play but Drake Cagguila streaked up the ice and appeared to score the go-ahead goal. But the officials had apparently blown a whistle – for no good reason at all. And the officials gave no explanation for stopping the play after taking the Cagguila goal off the board.

After the game, Jonathan Toews did get an explanation. It was indeed a mistake by the officials.

Chicago let the officials know how they felt but the game went to overtime.

Boston got the winning goal from Charlie McAvoy at 1:19 into overtime.

Ryan Carpenter got the showers late in regulation for telling an official he was doing a terrible job; Carpenter was right. After Patrice Bergeron appeared to get away with three separate infractions on a faceoff, Carpenter let the officials have it. He got 10 minutes for his use of colorful (but accurate) language.

Toews won 15 of 24 faceoffs in 20:30.

Patrick Kane was credited with only one shot on net in 20:31 but finished tied with David Kampf for the team lead with three takeaways. Kane also picked up an assist in the game.

Dach won three of 11 faceoffs in 17:54 and put three shots on net. He made a couple more moves with the puck that have him *this close* to scoring highlight goals in the last three games.

Lehner stopped 38 of 40 against one of the better offenses in the NHL. The offense in front of him put just 22 shots on net in more than 61 minutes of hockey.

145 thoughts on “Officials, Bruins Beat Blackhawks In OT

  1. When the refs suck you have to give it to them. I try not to too often, because people complain.

    I didnt see 3rd, after reading this
    The officiating of this game was horseshit the entire night, but it was especially brutal in the third period. There were a couple sequences where there were clear penalties on Boston that should have been called – but weren’t. There were a couple instances where there could have been penalties called on the Blackhawks that weren’t.

    The United Center nearly lost it’s collective mind with 65 seconds left in regulation. Chicago was going to get a power play but Drake Cagguila streaked up the ice and appeared to score the go-ahead goal. But the officials had apparently blown a whistle – for no good reason at all. And the officials gave no explanation for stopping the play after taking the Cagguila goal off the board.

    I am glad because I would have been throwing things.

  2. Didnt see 1st, watched 2nd and thought we were decent.

    Good to get the tie, again, after we didnt play good in 1st, again.

    1-0-2 since 10 days off in a row. That is good.

    Now I think we ll be able to start ‘playing’ in the 1st periods now. The 10 day rust should be good to go now.

  3. I cannot recall the last time I’ve been this pissed off over a sporting event. One of the worst officiated games I’ve ever watched. I hope Collitin goes full Tortorella in the press conference. Watching crap officiating like we witnessed tonight makes me wanna wish for bad things to happen to happen to the refs. I am absolutely fuming over a regular season game in which the Hawks got a point they shouldn’t have because they were robbed of two. This game was a total embarrassment for the a-holes in the striped shirts. Is the NHL trying to rival the other 3 major sports in awful officiating? If this were a playoff game my TV would be shattered in a few thousand pieces. Utterly ridiculous and inexcusable. Pricks.

  4. First off,I usually just kind of dismiss Officiating beefs out of hand figuring its excuse making.Not tonight.I watched the entire game and that was one of the worst officiated games that I have seen in this modern era of 2 referees.On the key play that everyone will focus on,the referee prematurely blew a whistle that no one heard on what he thought was a hand pass by Maata.I get that the referee was out of position but get help from 1 of the other 3 officials on the ice.It hit Maata,s stick last and was not a hand pass.The cheap garbage that the Bruins got away with went uncontrolled all night.If we are going to call Smith,s shoulder grazing somones chin Checking to the Head we are in trouble because you can call it on most hits.That Bergeron crap in the faceoff circle against Carpenter warranted him getting his ass beat.It was Beer League crap.I can see why the Bruins are involved in so many brawls.I am not a big fan of anything in their organization.

  5. Nylander doesn’t want contact . DCat ive said before, feisty player , but too small . Hawks have trouble clearing their zone. They need a couple of hungry young studs. I like Dach , he plays responsible . I don’t see the playoffs this year ,

  6. Also the garbage hit from behind on Boqvist by Kreji was typical Bruin play.I hope he is not seriously injured.That being said,Bowman needs to get this team some fresh legs and help.88 looks tired to me.8 and 20 have had 2 poor efforts in a row now.Lehner was spectacular and he has to be pissed about the soft 1st Goal.I would get Hagel and Highmore into the lineup and I assume the new D man Seeler will draw in if Boqvist cant go.This upcoming week is the season as far as playoff hopes.If they are going to go down at least go down swinging.God I am aggravated about tonight.

  7. I don’t spend much time bashing the refs and don’t go in for conspiracies that theorize the refs are out to get us – these aren’t the old Tom Lysiak days – but the refs let Boston get away with interference all game long. It was like the old Detroit teams that knew just how much they could get away with and they pushed it to the edge and gained an advantage because of it. I’m not angry about the Caggiula goal waved off because the ref blew his whistle – it looked like Maatta made a hand pass and it the puck glanced off his stick – then the ref made a mistake and that’s just the way it goes. But, the interference all game long that wasn’t called was atrocious and it probably cost the Hawks a point tonight.

    That said, the Bruins are a big team and the reason the interference is so effective is because the Hawks can’t fight through the bigger/stronger Bruins – and that’s a problem. Does anyone honestly think the Hawks could win a playoff series against Boston? Lehner “stood on his head” tonight and it wasn’t enough to win the game because Boston’s defense is so good the Hawks could score on;y 1 goal.

    After the games against the Wild and Bruins – I’ve come down off the fence and am now on the side of sell at the TDL.

  8. Morrison-

    For what it’s worth, the Hawks won their first 5 after their bye last season, so I’m not sure if we can chalk these last two lackluster games up to stuff like the Hawks are just getting their skating legs back, like Edzo claimed tonight. They were lively their first game back in Arizona, but the last two nights they were just thoroughly outplayed for the better part of each game. Tonight was a litmus test, and although the refs were atrocious, the only reason they got a point was cuz of Lehner, much like last night Crawford stole that point. Next 5 games will make or break the season. 5 game road trip through Canada. Must get at least 6 points to stay within striking distance and hope none of the teams they’re chasing get hot. If they lay an egg on this trip, time to start selling.

  9. Tim-

    I’m the same way. I can’t stand fans that constantly whine about the refs, and I typically never do. Tonight was an utter disgrace. Over an hour after the game ended and I’m still pissed about how terrible this game was officiated.

  10. Yep Hawks were jobbed by the refs but it’s not like they deserved to win – Lehner got them a point

    I think they’re playing a bit tight now – now that they’re back in the playoff conversation – it’s easier to play relaxed when you’re out of it but now that they realize there’s more pressure to win they’re not performing to the level they were to get back into it

    A natural reaction perhaps but they have to get over it and play more relaxed – not unfocused loose but with a relaxed intensity

    the next 5 games should tell us if they’re playoff contenders or pretenders – 5 road games vs WPG twice, CAL, EDM and VAN

    Dach playing great right now – Kane still not great – not working hard enough on D IMO and even for Kane hard work leads to scoring chances

    I noticed Gus was going to the bench as the B’s steamed up the ice 3 across on the winning goal in OT – not sure if it was a slow change but it was a unfortunate (either bad or unlucky) change because it gave BOS a 3 on 1 that they cashed on

    Strome needs to compete harder – Nylander is outworking him at the moment although I realize he’s just come back from injury (maybe too early?)

  11. come what may it is time to sell. weaseling into the playoffs and getting crushed in the first round does not make the hawks a better team next year or the years after. if the goal is to win the cup they need prospects and draft picks now.

  12. Ebony-

    If this Hawks team played a series against a Boston, StL, Washington, Pittsburgh, Tampa or a couple of the other top teams in the league, it would make the beating Nashville put on them in 2017 look competitive. This roster simply isn’t good enough to come close to contending. Of course I still WANT them to make the playoffs, but I’m realistic. If Boqvist is out for any extended period of time, this team’s playoff hopes are likely done. This Seeler dude isn’t good. It doesn’t say much for our prospect pipeline that Bowman finds it necessary to pick up some castoff off the scrapheap that the freaking Wild didn’t even deem good enough to be their 6th dman. Boqvist looks promising, but we haven’t drafted and developed a quality nhl blueliner since Hammer. That’s over a freaking decade. Leddy comes close, but we acquired him via trade as a prospect and he had a hard time staying out of Q’s famous infamous doghouse. Stephen Johns could’ve been one, but Bowman and Rocky decided it would be a great idea to bring back a washed up Sharp for the female fanbase to drool over.

  13. Mo, the Refs even admit to blowing it tonight. If that was onlg issue or they said they thought it was hand pass, then you could say just a mistake, but their explanation that blew whistle by mistake it just topped an all around pathetic effort from the officials tonite.

    That being said although they shoulda got 2, except for Lehner they didn’t deserve one. Dach continues to impress, hope Boqvist is ok, sounds not to bad. Hope for better starts on road trip. Leafs got their goalie so that’s a dead issue.

  14. Good to see most of us addressing the elephant in the room.We need to get bigger and take up space.This league now is heavy teams interfering and setting “unintentional “picks.Our d men have to be able to get position and move people out of the net area and slots.

  15. Ian-

    If the Leafs think Jack Campbell is the answer, then they don’t even know what the question is.

  16. Okie, you may be right. Thats just what I saw-in terms of, maybe thats what it was, in that it makes sense. Could be wrong to.

    Thing is this last yr around game 30 we wer in a hole at -9 and there were more good teams last yr, NAS WIN SJ other. This yr there is not as many good teams and only STL is way ahead, there are a lot of trams close to each other. Well, or well enough, before around game 30 this yr, we were -2 so we went in a hole and there wasnt as many good teams as last yr.

    I do not know if that makes a difference, though that is a difference right there. Our roster is better then last yr to, we have two goalies not maybe one.

    Though I want to trade to make us better for the 5 coming yrs, then this yr/no rentals. Trade for keepers and get those kind of players/type we need the guys here talked about wks ago.

  17. Another thing, and I cant remember right now, was those 5-0 games after break last yr spread out properly. This is the kind of crap we had in first 15 games this yr. 10 days off then 6 in 8 days. Compared to last yr?

    I may bitch about refs a hair too much, though I donot here anymore as much. Just from time to time. It really bothers me because the league can make the rules better and make the refs do it, then half of this shit wouldnt even happen.

    Like have a whistle and review the play at the next whistle. Like when a flag is thorwn on defense offsides and the OFF knows it has a free play. Just review it at next whistle. I mean the refs get away with so much shit throughout the game, the league cant let them also have control of blowing whistle on ‘anything’ they can becausse they can use it as excuse.

    This is why we need more of the kind of players you guys talked about so we can give it right back to any team that plays panzzy like that.

  18. I mean are they still that but hurt over Tazer knocking down Pasternack in OT and scoring the game winning goal. When there people threw garbage on the ice.

    Didnt one of there players say after that game, they were going to get revenge for us kocking him down, like if thats the way they want to play then we will.

    I think they play like that way more often then we do, witf was that guy talking about.

    Really the reason why teams that play cheap like that donot win as much as they could. karma. Like shooting puck into stands at a celebrity, instant Karma.

  19. Please do not tell me any of these refs were in the redwings games from 2013.

    OK I am good now, for posting on refs.

  20. I am routing for us to win every game.

    Though it would be better to get lottery draft, were we drop a bunch in last 10 once were out/if thats what happens. Theres no way we can get top 5, those 5 teams are complete garbage. We might get to 7th depending on teams around there. That would be good for draft.

    What I want, demand, is get those players we need to play cheap like some of these teams do so we can play/they cant get away with it. We can punch them back in the face like COL did to BOS, then STL did to COL a couple mths ago.

  21. Not looking too far ahead sch wise, who we play. Looks like mostly good teams, which should raise our game better. We obv have to do better then .500, even though mostly good teams. We can put in a 4-3 before DAL that woulnd be terrible and we d be +5, then DAL STL TB FLR, split those-still at +5, then we got a shot at winning 10 of 11 games-to get to +14 over .500, thats got to be close.

    So only thing would be to not do worse then .500 for next 11 games. Then theres 11 games after that we could roll.

    If we do better then 4-3/2-2, 6-5 next 11 games, we could put up a number.

  22. Two pipes and the awful disallowed goal tonight and a crossbar in OT last night – I guess we pissed off the hockey gods. Official stats say we had 11 giveaways but if you count failing to clear the zone with a simple play that number easily doubles. Dach has made amazing moves two nights in a row and I thought Kampf played really hard tonight, wish his effort was contagious.

  23. Regarding interference, Toews got interfered with behind the net on the soft goal that Lehner gave up. It wasn’t even subtle.

    Dach is playing great. He is fun to watch.

    That was a ferocious shot that Caggs let go that should have counted. The Hawks need to re-sign him. He is good. That was not his only strong play tonight.

    Nylander is a big nothing. I wish he would keep his annoying mouth guard in his mouth.

    Strome and Kubalik were not noticeable.

    As others have said, bad officiating or not, the Hawks got beat tonight. It was not a good effort. They also need shooting practice. Missing way too many nets. When you aren’t getting that many shots on net, the shots you get need to at least require that the goalie make a stop. Maybe you’ll get a rebound.

    Two mediocre efforts in a row and they’ve gotten 2 more points than they deserved. You can’t even get mad when they lose in overtime when they deserve to lose.

  24. Dach is so advanced it’s almost obvious that he will be our second line center next year.
    Where does that leave Strome ? He is not a winger ? Should we trade high on him before he turns into the next Galchenyuk?
    Secondly what’s his value ?

    Third. Absolutely great comment I read today that said shooting against Robin Lehner is like firing pucks at a linebacker. Wow. Imagine trying to score on that.
    Best case scenario is we sign him long term and build from that foundation.

  25. Also the trade that Toronto made tonight boils down to 2 3rd rounders for Jack Campbell.
    Nice return for Los Angeles. This bodes well for Stan. The prices this year are high on rentals.
    This 5 game stretch will determine if we sell. Gustafsson definitely has lower 1st round value. Any team truly going for it, will give up a kid who might be ready in 2023.
    Think about it ? Do you really think David Poile in Nashville is losing sleep over trading Nik Beaudin ? And the fact that he gave up that pick in 2018 ? Not a chance.

    The contenders do not want to give up rostered players and the teams that are out of it want to sell their fan base hope. Plus the contenders just keep swinging for the fences. When was the last time San Jose or St. Louis worried about giving up a draft pick for an established player?

  26. I’ll say it if no one else wants to. East coast bias. On NBC sports nationally. NBC. “Hey, refs. Call a good game but let the East coast Bruins win. We need more viewership in the east.”

    Okie think you’re right about Toronto. Columbus should come calling soon. Get a 1 and a 2 for either Crow or Lehner.

  27. Okie Fan, it would appear Andersen not out much longer and they are strictly addressing backup situation for 6 or 7 more starts or your right, their grasping for straws.

    Craig next years 3rd is conditional on Clifford resigning or Leafs making playoffs this year and Campbell wins 6 games. Then it becomes a 2nd rnder.

  28. Okie, Johns trade was not for Sharp! Sharp and Johns were traded to Dallas for Daley and Garbage!!!
    Strome needs to play center with Dcat and hopefully they can start scoring goals. Bench Carpenter and put Kampf as your 4th line center. Hawks need a winger like Kreider!!!
    8 19 88
    20 77 92
    12 17 91
    15 64 36
    And when this coach starts the game with 15 22 92 against the Bergeron line, it tells you how dumb this coach really is!!!!

  29. I will agree with Hull that Strome playing with DeBrincat would be good for both of them.

    I don’t get Nylander on the PP. I just don’t.

    Refs were brutally terrible, but Blackhawks lucky to get a point last night. Outplayed pretty much for two periods. But I will certainly agree that Boston is a bunch of cheap shot a**wipes, night in and night out. Lots of Boston fans in the UC last night also. Not overly obnoxious but still obnoxious. Probably how some places feel when the Blackhawks come to town.

    Colliton was anything but Tortorella in the post game. I was at the game and my son watched on TV from home. He said that the TV guys in between periods (Milbury and Jones?) said that there needed to be a Chicago coach go in after the first period and turn over a table and go batsh*t on the team, but that Chicago didn’t have a coach like that. Interesting.

    Early reports were that Boqvist’s injury was not too serious, but I guess the official word will come in today or tomorrow.

  30. I’m with a couple of others who aren’t too hung up on the ‘call’. Refs make mistakes and if they thought it was a hand pass, you blow the whistle. Some of the holding, dare I say tackling was weird-both sides by the way. And I also agree that Chicago got outplayed for the most part and Lehner got them a point.
    I sure hope Dach stops chasing the hi-lite reel goal-I enjoy his play and he will be very good. The object is to score. (the secondary thing is these moves leave him open to the blindside hit)
    Got a laugh when the announcers called the 4th line the energy line-with Nylander on it-that’s an oxymoron.

  31. I’m out of the country in Austria for a few weeks so I missed the game live at UC. I watch games via NHL subscription when I get up in the morning. Best I can do.

    Poor starts last few games by Hawks but I was happy to see them take 2 points in games they easily could have lost.

    Dcat needs to start scoring goals. I don’t care if he got a lucky bounce. This guy is squeezing the stick. Thing is, he gets multiple chances every game. If he is at 18-20goals Hawks are probably 6 points better.

    What’s with Saad not shooting and deciding to pass instead? It seems like guys playing with 88 think setup instead of just letting er rip. I’m with comment about Hawks missing net with open shots. Can’t score if you don’t put it to net.

    B’s get away with same crap every game. Setting screens, slash and crosschecks. Live watching Pasta get hit and bitch. Btw Bruins style get you deep in playoffs. Blues proved it last year. Run em, hook, hammer and hold. Do it for 3 periods and make teams beat you on PP. big heavy teams can do this. Hawks lineup ain’t built that way.

    That ref crew last night was brutal. I would have screamed myself hoarse at that bs last night if I was at UC. One thing if they botch a call here or there but those guys sucked all night with no calls. St Louis Blues love ref crews like that.

    While I am a massive fan of Crow if he agrees I’d move him at trade deadline. This team is not deep enough imo but I always root them on. Hawks need more bigger tough guys on both ends of the ice. I think this team is 3 quality players from going to a higher level. The 2010-2015 group is a window slowly closing. Those warriors need supporting Quality cast.

    I’m tapping on the phone so sorry for typos. Let’s see how this road trip goes. It’s a 50-50 for playoffs imo.

    Let’s go Hawks!

  32. The Blackhawks have never been a physical team and that goes through their Championship seasons, remember playing LA, Vancouver, Detroit, St. Louis, Philadelphia, Boston and Tampa Bay we were always getting out hit but they always managed to work through it. is this Hawks team a playoff team? Maybe, will they go far? i think as long as you have the goaltending that we have and Toews and Kane you never know, but the defense is going to have to grow a pair and start getting a little more physical, especially when the other team is around our goalies.

  33. Meant Carolina should come calling for a goalie and get a 1 and 2. Also watching Boq skate off looks like a dislocated shoulder or broken collar bone. Hope not!

  34. Either goalie being moved should come with first round conditional draft picks from years away, 2022 (so as to avoid getting a 31st over all pick).

    For the most important position on the ice a team should have no problem giving up such a pick for a trip to the conference finals.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…players over picks all the time. They should move assets for hot prospects, growing rookies that will actually contribute. If they end up moving players for picks then those picks should be moved for players if not now then this summer or early next year…all while the new players avoid the Seattle draft. It’s a lot to ask I know.
    This team is a few pieces from being competitive. Who thinks this team would be better with Shaw. While I dont think he alone gets them a win in a playoff series he probably would be a difference in the regular season standings. Go Blackhawks!

  35. That game shows that the Hawks are competitive. They took the best team in the NHL to OT and everyone agrees they should have won before it got that far. Yes, Lehner played great but the last time I checked, goalies are part of the team. If they somehow make it to the playoffs I wouldn’t discount them. Goalies have been known to steal series and the Hawks have two of them that are more than capable.

  36. I am not one to complain about officiating; I feel that the officials’ mistakes tend to even out for all teams by season’s end. Hockey is a fast game; crap happens.
    But, to echo most of you here: last night was atrocious.
    The call that got me the most pissed was the absolute horseshit penalty on Smith.
    That was pure BS, and the whistle should have been swallowed the last 2 minutes of what was an intense period. The embellishment on that call disgusted me. That’s a straight up hockey play, and NOT a hit to the head.
    If the boys miss the WC by one point, I will vomit.

    The other thing that incenses me to no end is Colliton and his utter lack of emotion. He’s like a goddamned wet noodle behind the bench and in his pressers. I can’t take it anymore. My 11 year old daughter has more passion about/for/around this team. And could probably make better choices about who to send out first in OT. Grrrrrrrr.
    *rant over*
    Onto WPG and the Canadian tour. Let’s hope this nonsense fires the boys up and doesn’t send them into the dungeon.

  37. Craig, I like this.

    Absolutely great comment I read today that said shooting against Robin Lehner is like firing pucks at a linebacker. Wow. Imagine trying to score on that.
    Best case scenario is we sign him long term and build from that foundation.

    Roamn, you for got the word Salty. Its Salty East Coast Bias.

    And just because we didnt play good, in 1st, doesnt mean its ok for refs to suck that bad/terribly. Sure try not to use refs as excuse in a loss, but they cant do that shit.

  38. Indian, even when Blackhawks people are in road rinks. We do not ever play cheap and dirty/some times, ever-really. So the other rinks people shouldnt get mad in the right way. When a team play cheap-because thats the only way they can win, then were talking a different story here.

  39. These ae th ereasons ans why its goo to have guys like Gilbert or Seels or other in the lineup so teams that play that way will at least get hit back.

    Until we can get enough of the kind of players you guys talked about a few wks ago.

    We need to get roster adjusted and then were talking.

    Go with Lehner because hes younger and trade Crow/as much as I like Crow-thats hard to say.

  40. There was supposedly a rumor that I commented on before regarding Stan sniffing around a trade to acquire Kreider. My comment was I wouldn’t mind it if it didn’t cost too much because Kreider would be a rental – but – I thought a top-4 d-man was the bigger need than a winger. Depending on Boqvist’s situation – that might be even more of a need now.

    However, when thinking about the offensive struggles of Cat and Strome – putting a true power forward on their line might be just what the doctor ordered. Kreider isn’t a great player by any stretch but he’s big and fast and good enough offensively that he could go get the puck and open up space for Cat and Strome. That would move Strome back to center where be belongs and add a heck of a lot more offensive potential than what Carpenter or Kampf or whoever else has been playing with Cat and Strome lately.

  41. Phil, we need to change the way we play/roster, so we can cheat to-cheapshots hooks holds and interfernce all game long. Or the league needs to make the refs call the penaltys.

    I guess that means we need those kind of players on the 23man.

    Let go Bowman.

  42. EB the Rangers got a 1st rounder and Brendan Lemieux for Hayes last year, doubt Kreider be any cheaper than that.

  43. Honest, sure Shawzer would make a difference just like the kind of differnce 91 has made since he got back.

    When 2 came back we took it up a nocth and 27 strating playing really good, when 91 came back we took it up a notch, when 20 came back we took it up a nocth.

    When 12 start scoring like normal were up another notch.

    Not having 44 27 could be difference in not making playoffs. Its fine what ever happens because its about the next 5 yrs.

    We did good this yr. We came a long ways. Now we know what we need/roster wise. Like another really good two way player like 20, a physical one so we can have another 20 19 81 kind of line. As Dach will be a wrecking ball by himslelf as 2nd line center and go with Lehner.

    Young wave, baybaaaay!

  44. Just once I would love to see Nylander show some emotion. He’s skating around like he doesn’t give a damn about anything happening around him. Maybe he needs someone to blast him in the next practice and wake him up. Enough is enough!!

  45. Nice write up Tab. I’m always glad to see one of my favorite words in print. The horseshit was in abundance last night.

  46. A few thoughts:

    On Kreider – The Rangers are going to ask more than what they received for Hayes last year. I just don’t want to part with anymore 1st round picks. We are not a super young team that can afford to trade 1st round picks. We need to stockpile as many high picks as we can. Plus, even if we make the playoffs, we just don’t have enough to go far. Let’s be realistic. Our coach gets out coached almost every game, our defense is still pretty porous, and our offense is still pretty inconsistent. We’ve been better in every facet, but not good enough to warrant trading our 1st round pick and a young player; you know they aren’t going to take Nylander as part of the deal.

    On last night’s game, I am seriously convinced that Murphy and Maata have turned whatever corner they needed to turn and have played outstanding the last two games. Also, Dach and Boqvist are so much fun to watch and you can see them gaining more confidence and letting their talents flow and their instincts take over. Both of them are playing like they belong.

    On the trading deadline, I still want Stan to trade Gus, and pick up more picks. Also, I think now we should trade Lehner, because he is now worth a 1st round pick in return. Let’s parlay that signing into another 1st rounder, and perhaps we can trade 2 1st round picks and perhaps a young player to move into the top 3 of the draft, because that is where the elite players get selected.

  47. When a team is good they find a way to overcome being jobbed by the refs, not unlike the Hawks did against Detroit in the playoffs when Hammer’s goal was overturned and Seabrook came through later. The Hawks do not appear to be good enough to overcome those kinds of calls against them with any regularity right now, which is a little frustrating, but it is what it is.

    That said, the refs were trash. Period.

    The last three games highlighted the fact that the Hawks need elite goaltending to stay in games. If the goaltending does not stay elite next year and beyond, it will expose deficiencies in the rest of the Hawks roster that are being covered by Crow and Lehner. So if the Hawks do not sign an elite starter next year ( Lehner,) the Hawks will have to upgrade other areas to compensate. Otherwise they will take a huge step backwards.

    The last three games to me also was kind of a preview of what the playoffs will look like if these Hawks make it. Good enough to stay close, but not good enough to finish. Because of this, I would rather see the Hawks be sellers and find a way to add talent to the roster via lopsided TDL trades than stand pat, or worse, buy at the deadline. Hawks are still outside looking in, with no guarantee they can sustain their level of play to secure a playoff spot (doesn’t that sound a lot like last year?)

    Longwinded way of saying the Hawks should be sellers regardless of what happens or how close they get to a playoff spot. Hawks should be actively shopping Gus, Maatta, Smith and Crow (and anyone else that is likely not in future plans) and should listen to offers on anyone and everyone else. No one should be safe on a team that hasn’t made the playoffs with Dach and Boqvist excepted.

    Clear out dead wood (meaning those not in long term plans, not necessarily “bad” players,) and maybe bring in a couple key upgrades in the offseason, then grow into a more balanced playoff team next year. That’s the direction I hope the Hawks take going into the deadline and this offseason.

  48. Ok.
    Anybody else tired of posts that say, “don’t try for playoffs, cuz long term it is going to hurt the team”?

    Good thing the soldiers of Normandy did not have that attitude or
    Europe would be rising to recite parts of Mein Kampf before soccer games.

    It’s been two damn years since the playoffs graced the West Side.

    If you’re not itching for Springtime Hockey in Chicago, then I will buy you two tickets to the ballet.

    Holy Crap, man!
    Enough already.

  49. If this league is going to use video review for blown offsides calls that involve goals and goal calls and goalie interference….etc…then use video review and all their blown calls when it comes to giving or taking away a goal…..for Pete’s sake how difficult is that ??

  50. Jim and Days – agree on both your points

    I’m all in on making the playoffs if possible but I’m also all in on trading at least Gus and one goalie regardless off the playoff chase

    Although losing those two will impact the Hawks playoff chances it’s something that should be done for the future but IMO they can make those trades and the playoffs as well unless the gaolie that remains after TDL (hopefully Lehner) gets hurt then they’re screwed

    I think it’s a chance Stan should be taking with his goalie situation

    …and why the is no review allowed on that Cags goal is beyond me – why can’t the war room make a decision upon a coach’s challenge? – just like other coach’s challenges – it’s stupid not to especially after that missed hand pass debacle in last year’s playoffs

  51. Also agree on Strome to centre – he’s pretty useless as a winger – put Kampf on wing and have him take important draws

  52. @Jim Rutherford

    L O (freaking) L

    I’m all for the Hawks making the playoffs, just not mortgaging our picks. If we can get a useful piece for Gus to help us for the playoffs, so be it. But, I don’t want to pay for Krieder what we paid for Ladd, Kimmonen, or Flieschman and Weise! I don’t trust Stan to make a deadline deal to acquire assets for the stretch run. He sucks at it!

  53. Of things don’t go good on west trip, does shopping Strome become more attractive idea and trying to fill the 3C spot with a more physical, strong fo guy who can add some offense too. With 19 and 77 seemingly a lock on 1-2 c spots going forward, would trying to get a true winger for him be an upgrade.

  54. Here’s a possibility. Boqvist nurses his shoulder injury. Seeler steps in and plays well enough to stay in the line-up. When Boqvist is ready to come back, they need to sit somebody. Instead, Gus gets traded for a 2nd and a 4th to a team desperate for an 18-minute a night offensive defenseman. The timing might work.

    Also, some Robin Lehner with a couple of tweets today suggesting he loves Chicago.
    Hmmm.

  55. About the blown call on the Caggs goal – once an on-ice whistle happens, the play is over. Dead. Done. Doesn’t matter if you score a goal or not; It isn’t gonna get allowed. A review of the play would indicate a whistle sounded and the play was dead, so reviewing it would not have helped last night.

    You can argue that in this case the whistle was a bad or inadvertent (which is what I think they claimed last night) one, and you will likely be right. But the whistle sounded and the play is dead. Done. Players are taught to STOP playing when they hear a whistle. Plays after a whistle, like a check, can and should be penalized.

    The only major pro sport allowing players to play through a whistle is football – and that is about the dumbest of their dumb rules, and boy do they ever have a chitload of them.

  56. Miro, thats pretty much what I want and think. Were not deep enough and system isint good enough yet-players arnt playing the system good enough/like BOS does there system, to win in playoffs. We coul win 1st or 2nd round but theres no point unless were deep enough/quality deep enough to have other team cheat the whole game and sometimes get screwed by refs and sill win. Its just to much.

    What I like to see though is when a team does something cheap dirty or other they get punnished, just like VEG did last yr-SJ. Karma.

  57. Days thats why I was saying, like in football the OFF has a free play when DEF jumps, same thing here. Refs should be instructed to eat the whistle-like they make the clean teams do agasint cheapshots, and then review every goal.

    Have a Fing tv timeout after every goal, and they know the review before the tv commercials are done. Very simply.

  58. Think everyone here means the right thing about not wasting assests-were keeping longterm/need for stuff to add at deadline. Make a couple moves-add and trade, and play to win.

    Unless were picking top 3 theres no much difference in 14th and 19th pick. This is a deep draft. I would rather have two 1sts picks, being such a deep draft.

    Lets get another Hartman trade fleecing. Do it do it.

  59. Silent from i have been hearing part of the issue was players said they never heard a whistle, replays never had a whistle being blown in any i saw. Also in a case like that letting the play happen, instead of blowing it dead and then you can review if it was a goal or not and shoulda been whistled dead. The league made even more mess of it by issuing a statement saying it was right call, only thing is the rules don’t seem to support leagues position.

  60. Seabrooks 3 surguries all successful and expected to be fully recovered in 5 or 6 months. Good news for Him and looks like he will a part of the blueline next season

  61. After the Western Canada road trip I believe Stan Bowman will know what direction he has to go in.I may be wrong but I just can’t see him losing Gus,Crawford,and Lehner for nothing.I also can’t see him handing Strome an over 5 Million a year long term contract.I don’t think Bowmans job is secure enough to implement a true rebuild.

  62. Ian, NY rags like Strome, oh that was Staals, anyways would they like centers like they had Anminov. People here like Krider, so what else would we add to do a trade of Strome plus for Krider.

  63. Crais, that really really really really good news. We have done well enough, with a roster thats not complete yet and in a system that needs to be better. Then when ervyone on the team plays the structure-we can play like BOS does. Once we get those players/kind we need.

    News on Lehner being happy enough and know the team is going in right direction roster wise, with more young wavers coming and two studs in 27 77. With Dach going to be a elite player and not just elite, one of the best of the elite players in a couple yrs. The upside of 27 77 is going to be crazy.

  64. The fat loser pussy that runs this shithole won’t even post my comments. Truth hurts eh fat boy? Hawks suck and so do you.

  65. Ian – I doubt the league would say it was the right call if there was never a whistle blown. I couldn’t hear one, but that frequently is the case on TV anyway. Players often play through a whistle because they didn’t hear it, sometimes cuz the official gives it a soft tweet!

    I’m not sure what rules aren’t supporting the leagues position as I didn’t read anything about the call and the responses to it. I let it go after the game.

    Stuff happens out there, as in any sport with humans officiating. Look at the playoffs last year and how the league dropped a bunch of veteran officials after those bad calls. Football has a headache every year in the playoffs – mostly because they have some pretty ridiculous rules that don’t make sense!

    Kozari clearly isn’t one of the better officials though.

  66. Wow. Watched a little bit of the Buffalo game tonight. What a train wreck of a team.
    For all the Stan B. Haters out there. Beware. Buffalo will snap him up in a New York minute and they will start winning right away. Lots of pieces but no structure, empty seats, rock bottom, terrible coaching, everyone tries to get the puck to Eichel constantly. Awful goaltending. This was supposed to change with Eichel and Rasmus Dahlin.
    The guy I would love to see the Hawks push for is Girgensons. Big. Hard on the puck. Something we don’t have a lot of.

  67. Hull65, the real crime of the Daley trade outside the fact it was totally lopsided is Coach Q never even experimented with Daley playing left wing with Toews and Hossa. I get it….its a lot to ask for a player to play a completely change positions but that left wing was forever in rotation.

    Same can be said for Brian Campbell.

    Missed opportunities.

  68. The mere mention of Hossa warms the cockles. I can still picture Hossa backchecking like a possessed demon. And such class – was there ever a more classy player? The Saad-Toews-Hossa line was phenomenal. And non-Hawks fans actually believed the Hawks were trying to cheat when Hossa went on LTIR and freed up salary cap space. At the very least in retrospect it should be clear the Hawks would have been better with Hossa playing and his cap hit on the books. Ah … good memories.

  69. Craig, we need a couple of those kind and some others. Bowman got 5 or 6 good players this summer. Lenher was a huge add, because hes a top 10 goalie and hes basically 10 yrs younger then Crow.

    Some of the good players we added this summer were hurt before and didnt make it injury wise, but it was worth the shot. Now we know which guys of them would be better to keep. Same with a few other guys on 23man.

    Then go from there, by adding another 3-6 good players this summer and trade which ever players that arnt here mid/longterm. Keep working at it, it doesnt happen overnight.

    In the meantime get some of those tuff players with skill and the young waves coming no matter who likes it or not. Were going to be really good again once the roster shapes up. The young wave is deeper then 27/77 and theres some young players that we ll get that arnt even in our system yet.

    Its starts with good trades at deadline and draft and the adds in summer.

  70. ER, yea man.

    was there ever a more classy player? When people say night and day, I always think of Perry and Hoss

    The Saad-Toews-Hossa line was phenomenal.

    This was like a different top generation player with another top generational player and that good of a two way rookie.

    It would be like Savard with 21 and 9 or Kaner with Larmer. Even though Hoss wasnt as far apart its like seeing something like that.

    Hoss is like custom valved adjustable reservoir king shocks. Wicked.

  71. ER, another thing I love about Hoss is when he was on the, dark side of the force, teams PIT DET they didnt win. Then Hoss comes to the good side of the force, CHI wins and wins a dynasty-one without 95m payrolls when other temas have 25m, without salasary cap, without first 10 picks in draft-every yr.

    A team like no other. Dynasty in the salary cap era. No one will come close to that again and still LA is the closest thing with 2 in 3 yrs-when going head to head agasint the dynasty team, not sneaking two in three yrs when the leagues just got watered down-with salty east coast bias goal tender interference allowed goal.

    Good side of the force-CHI
    Dark side of the force-DET
    EVen Scotland laughed last after the red coats had there turn.

  72. Why are we crying over the “lost opportunity” to experiment w/ converting a veteran defenseman into a winger in a top-6 role? Really? Brian Campbell at wing? c’mon people…

  73. Interesting article today by Ben Pope in the Sun Times about Alex Nylander. While his development has been frustrating I believe he will become a solid forward. There was an earlier post about the lack of emotion he shows but he is probably like a lot of Swedish players in this regard.

  74. Boqvist on the ice for pre practice skate and skills, saying Keith and Boqvist tak8ng maintenance days. Sounds like 27 be good to go for the road trip, great news.

    Good defensive forwards are just more effective playing defense from forward than they are from playing defense.

    Offensive defensemen are usually more productive from blueline than they are on the wing, moving them doesn’t make them better or more of an impact player but reverse is more likely.

  75. If Nylander can find some offense abd ve an asset contributing in that area he xan be a serviceable forward. If he doesn’t produce at alot better oace than we saw so far, bottom line there are much better options for that type of role.

    Silent yeah ok, time to move on from that call.

  76. Nylander ,Gus ,D cat and Strome should be trade bait . Sign Crow to hometown discount and sign Lenhner .

  77. I am good with trading Crow for a 15-30 pick and then resign him for hometown in summer again.

    Need to be creative and trade what we can to make mid/longterm better, while keeping what we need the most. If we donot do that, then were standing to close to the picture. Its like a Monet painting, take a step back and you see so much more.

  78. So with 5 looking like he has come into his own as a shutdown Defensemen-like Hammer. Maatta? or Haan. Then we have 2 27 as a pair.

    Mitch doesnt have to be top 4 to get feet wet and get established. Seabsy boy comes back, fresh with bionic woman legs and shoulder for a solid 3rd pair.

    Thats good with upside of 27 Mitch and 5 starting his prime of his prime yrs. Same for 6/44 being in prime of prime yrs as they are young enough for awhile.

    2 27
    6/44 5 shutdown pair.
    M 7

  79. It’s going to be a crazy week.If the Wild win tonight the Hawks are back in last place in the Central and 12th overall in the west.They definitely need regulation Wins this week.

  80. Can look at it from different angles. I go by game over .500 so it already factors games played-in hand.

    Right now
    VEG 7
    NAS 6 winning last couple
    CAL 5
    ARI 5
    CHI 4
    WIN 4
    MIN 3

    Do not think anyone touching bottom 3 in conference SJ ANA LA.
    Teams, prob, locked for playoffs are STL COL DAL and three highest in the weak division.

  81. What I like, in just one yr-this yr. We have gone from not having a good roster and no goalies for being in the edge of the bottom 5 team category to being in the middle of the midtier teams area. So starting next yr, with more roster adjustment and young wavers were going to keep sky rocketing up the league standings in just 2 yrs time.

    In reverse order….
    Bottom 5
    DET
    NJ
    OTT
    LA
    ANA
    SJ

    Bottom midtier
    BUF
    MON
    RAGS
    MIN
    WIN

    Top midtier
    CHI
    ARI
    CAG
    NAS

    Top 10 wannabees
    FLR
    VAN
    PHI
    EDM
    VEG
    CAR

    Bottom top 5
    TOR
    PIT
    ISLANDERS
    CLB
    DAL

    Top 5
    COL
    WAS
    BOS
    STL
    TB

  82. Another thing is central is way harder. When the pacific has 3 worst teams in conference which means they play them 15 times where central plays them 9 times.

    Thats 6 more times and central play 6 more games against midtier and to 10 teams. So you looking at a 12 games difference strength of sch wise.

    So I am surprised that the pacific teams that are good do not have better records then they do. That division is over rated and central vice versa.

    If you were to take the top 8 teams in conference and played a normal sch where every team in conference played each team the same amount of times, like the last 35-50? yrs, then-this yr-the top 8 teams would only have one pacific team maybe.

  83. When looking at cambell conference I would add 6 wins to central teams or add 6 losses to pacific teams, when looking at records.

    In any case records is not the roster.

    I think that CAG NAS SJ CHI are way better then there records. Where VAN EDM are a little overrated.

  84. I could see a NAS go through the pacific and maybe upset STL/COL, with those teams wearing each other out.

    Though with the way thing have gone last couple yrs, this is TB yr. WAS and STL both won after being a better team roster wise, then salary cap took some from there rosters, then they win on a yr after that. TB fits that now.

  85. Mo, Avs, Blues and Stars be 1-3 in central, rest of division in wildcard hunt. I expect Canucks and Vgk as 1-2 in west and Ed, Cal and Ari in fight for 3rd and wildcard. Want to be in that 1-3 position in division next season, so what’s it take to get there is the question, then what to do. Can it be done without ensuring elite goaltending most nights, not very likely with most of roster returning and same coach having them playing same system.

  86. I am with Tab.
    No more crying cause about lost opp.

    Prediction on Bowman….
    No playoffs for him this year?
    No GM job in Chicago for him next year.

  87. Ian, yea I think we make the jump to the next grouping of teams next yr and maybe jump to another one up if we add the right kind of players people talk about here.

    We do have to have Lehner or Crow. Even the dynasty teams wernt as good without Crow, so we have to have that.

    We really need what we had then and donot yet have now. Thats another top 4 Defensemen and another top 6 FW with size and a center that really good at faceoffs and some more.

    Then were right back where we started from. Annita.

  88. I am looking at the post here and wow…
    The Hawks have been the best team in the Pacific division in last 10 games
    14 pts on a possibilité of 20 ..not too bad coming from a team with so many injuries…Dehann. Seebrook …Shaw ….
    And many young kids
    If they make the playoff it will be good for the young guys …even if they go just for one round of playoff game.
    …the other hawks2010…can you please change your name ..so no confusion ..thank you

  89. Well the only way were the 7 seed is being ahead of NAS. Not sure if we do that, but that is where I would want to be if were in playoffs. We can play with/beat those kinds of teams, VAN EDM CAG ARI-this yr. The central teams are primed to win the CUP, STL COL, and DAL is in between.

    We need to get roster better so we have a legit chance. When the young wave gets more established were going to be really good and we ll still have a top goalie in Lehner or Crow or both/if Crow does hometown in summer.

    Anyways whatever happens this yr were going to be good. Just need to add those kind of players so we can cross check other teams players in the face and not get called for it. Hey, it was in front of the net. Its ok.

  90. Bowman in Buffalo? Oh yeah to follow in the footsteps of his father who failed out there!
    Let’s hope Bowman is gone next season along with the entire staff! Tonight, Columbus who has made the playoffs the last 3 seasons, lost their number one goalie, number one scorer, and their top center, yet their prospects step in and produce. Tonight their 3rd round pick in 2014, goalie Elvis Merezlikins had his 5th shoutout!!!!

  91. Huge week ahead Tim. 5 games from Sunday to Sunday for the Hawks. If they can get 7 points, 3-1-1 on the trip that would be a huge success.

  92. Hull, Columbus has won 1 playoff series in close to 25 yrs and that’s who you wamt to emulate, get real. As for the young goalie as impressive as he has looked, from the way Bobrovsky has been exposed in Florida after Tallon signed him to that 10m/ yr caphit for 7yrs deal this summer, the Jackets defense with Torts system and how he has them playing it deserves alot of the credit. Columbus very well may not make the playoffs but play a very workman like game with success so far.

  93. Ian, who is talking about cups, all I am saying is still no prospect goalie drafted by Bowman in his tenure. Still no left winger since Saad, Still no all star dman since Keith & Seabrook (will see where Boqvist, Mitchell and Beaudin end up; let us know Ian), and apart from Kane, no real star on right wing either! Rember Hossa was a free agent, Sharp part of a trade… Just talking about Mr. Bowman’s resume as a GM which is reflected by his trades, draft picks and free agents.
    8 19 88
    20 77 91
    12 17 92
    15 64 36

    JC needs to put Strome back at center alongside Dcat before he gets demoted to the 4th line or traded for nothing.

  94. @ Silent Spot

    Yeah, Kozari is a ref who has certainly been part of controversy ….. and very markedly in last year’s Stanley Cup Finals. Boston …. not too happy to say the least. Kozari was not the one who made the call in the Blackhawks’ game the other night I don’t think, but Boston roundly hates his guts after assessments of his and his on-ice partners last season.

    Kozari until very recently lived in the western suburbs of Chicago. He was the neighbor of a good friend of mine. Generally known as not being a personal fan of the Blackhawks. Not starting a conspiracy theory, just saying.

    NHL continues to have problems with the refs across the league. Hopefully this year’s playoffs will be more free of some of the “out there” weird calls/no calls and egregious decisions that end up having big impacts on big games.

  95. Were not in 12th. Were tied with WIN and MIN for 8th seed. Every game played by any of these 6 teams could have teams moving spots, its that close.

    NAS 6
    CAG 5
    ARI 5
    CHI 4
    WIN 4
    MIN 4

    The only teams that are higher on a hill are DAL at 11 (and VAN 10 EDM 8 VEG 7)(and I fully expect VAN and EDM to take a few hits coming up because they have won alot recently, there due for some loses). These 6 times are basically tied with 30? games to go.

  96. One thing to keep in my mind is all of the Cap Space Stan has headed into the trading deadline.
    I would love to see Stan take a bad/expiring contract and a draft pick or prospect.
    Would hate to see this type of “currency” go to waste when the season ends.

  97. Were not in 12th. Were tied with WIN and MIN for 8th seed.

    Meant to say tied for 10th.

    But point is these 6 teams are basically tied for 7th and 8th seeds.

  98. Craig like that idea but the final caphit with ltir players included has to be below 81.5m on June 30th and far enough under to cover performance bonuses. Expiring contracts still count the 30th and come off July 1st, so they are in the picture there. That capspace in alot of ways is just fools gold unless some cap moved at draft to make some room. Same with buyouts, don’t help until July 1st, this year’s caphit not part of any buyout in June.

  99. If I had to predict for next little while, I see ARI and CAG winning and movinf up and see EDM and VAN loseing some games.

    For us these 11 games, counting last 3, we go 4-4-3 were still in it because I see the 11 games after these 11 games now as a stretch of sch we could go 10-1.

    Obviously we will do better the 4-4-3 for the 11 games were in now (next game being game 3) and prob not as good as 10-1, the 11 games after these 11. The point is the teams we play in each 11 games are that.

    So we could only be 5-5 next 9 games and still make playofss, by going 10-1 kind of thing those 11 games.

    I would guess we go in each 11 games
    5-3-3 (which were already 1-0-2)
    8-2-1
    That is +8 to our +3 now, thats +11 (25-21-8 29-24-9 37-26-10) and close, with 10 games to go.

    Would 37-26-10 with 10 games to go be good enough.

  100. Remember going back to that 3-0 STL 3rd period lead game, thats when we turned the corner were 12-5 until that FLR game and 1-0-2 for a 13-6-2.

    13-6-2 since we started ‘playing’ in more then 50/50% of the time.

    Hopefully taht unnecessary 10 day off (they shouldnt combine the allsatr break wth the 5 day break, who in the F did that)(should be mandatory no team can do that-within 7 days or something of the allstar break days)
    Doesnt have us playing the 50/50% of the time again, because we are 1-1-2 in 4 games which is .500/even.
    (which is not 1 win in 4 games, its 1 loss in 4 games)(its the principality of the whole thing)

  101. Indian, thanks for that info. Peopl arnt out for refs in general just the ones that try to screw certain teams on purpose/thise kind-ones.

    Like hearing that kind of stuff, the stuff They do not write in the newspapers.

  102. I guess this way of looking at it is more simple

    STL 17
    COL 14
    DAL 11
    VAN 10
    EDM 8
    VEG 7

    NAS 6
    CAG 5
    ARI 5
    CHI 4
    WIN 4
    MIN 4

    SJ -3
    ANA -4
    LA -12

    You can see that those 6 teams (and we should include EDM VAN VEG because they are only 1 or 2 games ahead of those 6 teams)(as 9 teams playing for 5 spots)

    I can totally see VAn and EDM not making playoffs as I think CAG and VEG are better teams.

  103. When I look at that list of the conference, its encouraging to see that there are not as many top teams as there was when we had the dynasty/10yrs. I only see two top teams there STL/COL.

    So once our young wave is established enough, were right back uo to being a top team again, without as many top teams to battle against. Its more spread out.

    So while we had a couple off yrs/transition yr, the conference got spread out and the teams spread out thin. Mean while we added 2 top elite players.

    I like this and looking father then a yr or two. Once our young wave is starting there prime yrs STL bulk of better player are older. Then its COL and CHI.

  104. Mo,I know there is a lot of Hockey to be played but as of this morning the Nhl Playoff Probability Report had the Hawks at 37.5 %.That places them 12th in the conference.The report takes into account the rest of the schedule that has many of the teams ahead of the Hawks playing each other.Which of course means that teams ahead of them will be getting points.I hope they go on a run and prove the numbers wrong but they are in a bad position as of today.

  105. Thats cool man, I just like to look at things from perspective and not actual/tech. in 12th when one win/& one ANS loss and were in 7th.

    I just look at it as those 6 teams are tied being 6/5/5/4/4/4 over .500 and next highest is DAL at 11. So to me DAL is the only team ahead of us and these 6 teams are tied and one win or loss by any could have CHI in 7th place and NAS in 12th.

    I cant believe SJ and NAS are that bad for how good they are. So I do not see how we are ahead of NAS by game 82. The other 5 teams-to me are playing for 8 seed. And are tied right now.

  106. Thanks Big Indian. I know Kozari was doing the game, but I really have/had no idea who made the call, or what the call actually was on the ice, other than they stood by it at the time! Like I said to Ian, I just let it go and didn’t pay any attention to news reports about it. I get that some here were pretty upset about the call, but I also see things from an official’s point of view. Stuff happens. Calls get missed or made incorrectly. I will admit the Hammer goal that was waved off against Detroit yeas back in the playoffs got to me – especially the BS part of penalizing Saad for getting taken down at the benches. So I too can get emotional over horrid calls!

    Kozari kind of made his way to the finals last year through attrition. With multiple Referees getting kicked from the playoffs due to bad calls, he ascended higher than he likely would have. If you follow the Chicago Wolves at all, you will know that Billy Gardner ALWAYS had bad things to say when the Wolves drew him as a Referee. Some times Billy was right too! I think Kozari struggles to be consistent, and that more than anything causes problems for players. A ticky tack call followed by an obvious no call.

  107. Silent as i mentiobed it was the overall terribly called game that fueled the fire. Everybody for most part will let a mistake go, but the whole game was a mistake from the officials basically. Enough on that.

    Mo, Tim the way i see it if they manage to pick up at 12 points before tdl and 25 points rest of the way, which could be done, quite likely they are in playoffs, without a run like that, they probably come up short this season.

  108. I have no idea, but would image those % places do not factor in that were ‘playing’ in more then 50/50% of the time since the 3-0 3rd period STL lead game. I would imagine its just going by every game played so far and you cant go by that.

    I havnt looked at any of those 6 teams sch, but with those 6 teams at + 6/5/5/4/4/4 the % of making playoffs is the same for the 6 teams.

    A website wants to say DAL has a 66% chance and those 6 teams has a 33% chance, sure. The 6 teams though are ties and % should be same.

  109. I am not expecting us to or praying the we go on a run. Its fine whatever happens from here to game 82. Its all about next season and getting roster ready/adjusted for the 5 coming yrs.

    Young wave is the way.

  110. Ian,As of this afternoon the main playoff Probability Chart is at 90.2 points to make the playoffs in the west.That would mean the Hawks need 33 points to get the 8th spot.

  111. Silent, also that Fing Flatlander 8 Albuquerque dragged hi skate so it would hit Saader head/helmet on purpose, you can see him drag it. Just for that part he should have had his head pounded every time we played them again on the yrs after.

    For thatwaived off goal call, on a good goal play, it was the interference ER pointed out-the whole game is what built up for later.

    Just like why 19 got so pissed in 2013 because they let DET cheat 40 times a game in that series with hooks/holds/interference and then would call stuff against us. Just BS across the board.

    I just wish they called every kind of penatlys in playoffs, at a scale of 1-10, for playoffs 5 or higher and reg season 2/3 or higher.

    The prblem I have with playoffs refs calling penaltys is they forget half the rules/penaltys and let every hook/hold/interference/late hit/boarding go and only call the trips/over the glass/too many men kind of plenaltys. The ones they have to amd ;leave the judgement calls go and thats why bigger teams get away with more in playoffs.

  112. We are 13-6-2 since that 3-0 3rd period lead STL game. So theres 30 games. We do another 13-6-2 during whch ever 20 games of the 30 games left, were +11 games over .500 and that would be close.

    Who ever said it, getting 7 seed and playing pacific teams would be really good stepping tool for younger players playing agsintt younger teams.

    We do not need to be tought a lesson by the more mature teams in conference which would be the 8 seed. Our Mature players are more worthy of of the teachings. Let us get experience in the pacfic-just like NAS and COL did when they took there training wheels off.

    Then in a yr and after that were more ready.

  113. Whats 90 pt in terms of games over .500, something like,

    40-32-10 90 pts

    Thats only +8 over .500 that seems low.

    I would think more like +12 oerv .500, 42-30-10 at 94 pts is closer to 7/8 seed.

  114. One thing to keep in mind if/when anyone-not here elsewhere thinks starts saying theres more good teams in East for the first time since 2006. The east has 7 of the 10 worst teams in hokcey, prob more because they get free wins against each other, so there sch are Waaaaay eastier then Campbell conference teams.

    Salty east coast bias tv announcers, bla bla bla bla bla, oh yea we predict BOS to win 2013 Stanley Cup because they beat PIT so bad.

    Still to this day LA is the closed thing/team to being ‘the COL’ of redwings dynasty to the Blackhawks dynasty. Where BOS is a close 2nd.

  115. 90 pts is 40-32-10.

    25-21-8 now

    13-6-2 in last 21 games, we do that again and were 38-27-10, which means we could have a 2-5 stretch and still get in at 90 pts.
    That is 15-11-2, that is very doable even if we played only top 10 teams for the 28 games.

  116. Tim agree need the rows to have a shot in tiebreakers which very possibly ome into play. No doubt 90 points looks like a reasonable number right now but only need a couple of teams to get hot up the bar, so thinking 95 be the comfort zone to get in, anything lower like you say tiebreakers could be a season killer.

  117. Mo probably end up in the 10 to 15 spot in lottery if miss playoffs, getting lottery pick again pretty remote. So dropping down half a dozen spots and gain some playoff experience for these guys without any be worth it to me.

  118. Yea everything were saying, Tim Ian Morrison, about this stuff is right.

    Yea thats what I was thinking theres not much difference if any between 14th and 20th pick, being a deep draft. So better to get experience. Trade Crow or 56 to a team that doesnt make it and get lucky.

    What we deserve is to be 7 seed and play against younger teams like our young players. 8 see is 90 pts then 7 seed is like 91 pts, so 92-95 pts would be 7 seed, prob.

  119. The Hawks have 3 games in hand on the Coyotes and 2 games in hand on the Flames and Jets.Which of course only means something if they win those games in hand in regulation.They are still sitting at a 37.5% chance to get in.

  120. Remember the Jets,Avalanche,Golden Knights,Flames and Stars all won today with the Jets,Flames and Avalanche winning in Regulation.

  121. If CHI is 37.5% chance, then all 6 teams of CAG 6, NAS 5, WIN 5, CHI 4, ARI 4, MIN 4 have a 37.5% chance (with the teams at 5 a hair higher %)(CAG is up a little more with win).

    Is what I am saying.

  122. I do expect CAG to move up and VAN/EDM to move down, so those teams add mroe to it.

    Anyways saying the same thing here in difference languages.

  123. This is where sataistica can be misleading. When the common person reads the newspaper and see 37.5% they prob think that sucks. Then they read all 6 teams have 37.5% chance and two of six get in. So they prob thinking 2 of 6 get in and they are tied right now 6/5/5/4/4/4 then wouldnt it be 33%/2 of 6.

    Teams in conference finals only 25% chance to win, that seems like 25 sucks, when its outstanding.

    Just misleading at times.

  124. I do not go by pts, I go by games over .500, so wins in regulation dont make a difference unless its a tiebreaker (your right it counts wir-wins in reg)/so in that case sure need to be 1 pt/or 1 game over .500 better then other team.

  125. The projected 7 and 8 seeds are Calgary=52% Nashville =47.5%. Others-Winnipeg=47% Arizona=40.5%.After last night the Hawks are now at 35.7%.The 1st tiebreaker is Regulation Wins.

  126. Yeah glad to see they cleaned up that tiebreaker rule and made regulation wins mean something this season, about time. Past years it was just regulation and overtime wins combined minus shootout wins then head to head. This season i see they made it more sensible, regulation wins first, then then row, then total wins including shootouts before head to head now. Bottom line though gotta win first and enough preferably not to need tiebreakers. Win they get in, don’t they won’t, odds and what rest do is what it is.

  127. Wow, thats seems a bit Off, with CAG at 52% NAS at 47.5% WIN 47% when were one game behind them, two behind CAG and CHI at 35.7%.

    That would mean that CAG loses two games and CHI wins two games, then CHI would be the 52% and CAG be the 35%.

    To me the gap there seems to much for just one/two game difference. Its just me.

    I still do not think that % place is factoring that were 13-6-2 since we started ‘playing’ more then 50/50% of the time. Its going by every game played/and you cant.

  128. Anyways it just shows you how far off that % thing is. When were talking about one/two games difference here.

  129. Yea thats the bottom line, that we are more games over .500 then 4 of those 5 teams were in. Same for everyone of those 5 teams.

    I still think, this yr, that NAS CAG are the two best teams of these teams and then maybe VEG and then the rest VAN EDM ARI CHI WIN MIN.

    5 of these 9 teams get in
    NAS CAG VEG VAN EDM
    WIN CHI ARI MIN

  130. Highmore in for Nylander,
    Seeler in for Boqvist, pkaying with Murphy, Gus with Keith.
    Crawford starter tonite.

  131. Mo going to be 6 to 7 teams fighting for the wild card spots, Blackhawks got points to make up on them all except Wild heading into a 5 game road trip, then after 2 home games another 4 game road trip. All against playoff teams or teams in contention except for NYR, they really need to come big and get through that stretch without losing any ground, gain a little preferably or nothing else will matter.

  132. They have 6 games in that stretch against teams who could factor in wildcard race, including upcoming west canada trip and Preds at home. Then from March 1st on only 4 games against teams that could be a factor. Preds and Oilers at home and a home and home with Wild. Soon find out alot about where their year is going.

    Perlini scored for Detroit today lol.

  133. Why? Why does this coach continue to play Strome on the wing? He’s a center! Slow but that is where he can be effective not anywhere else!
    Dcat will have not more than 3 goals the rest of the year playing with Kampf at center!

  134. TRADE Beaudin and Sikura for a top right winger who can play with Teows and then you can drop CAGG with with Strome and Dcat! Then next year Shaw is healthy can play where he belongs on a 4th line with Kampf!

  135. Palmieri from the DEVILS on right wing would be a perfect fit for Toews!
    Beaudin Nylander Sikura for Palmieri and 2nd round pick!

  136. Palmieri from the DEVILS on right wing would be a perfect fit for Toews!
    Beaudin Nylander Sikura for Palmieri and 2nd round pick!

    And please, I love Dach but the PP with Strome behind the net as the set up guy last season got Dcat 40 goals! They have the worst PP in the keague with Dach! Give him the second unit with Saad and Kubalik!

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