Panarin, Blackhawks Down Penguins Again

For the second time in as many nights, Artemi Panarin had Marc-Andre Fleury’s number.

Twice.

Panarin, who scored twice – including the overtime game-winner – on Tuesday night in Pittsburgh beat Fleury twice in Chicago on Wednesday night to lead the Blackhawks. His first came 15:58 into the first period, and the second broke a tie game at 8:56 into the third. He now has 15 goals on the season.

Evgeni Malkin scored his 19th of the season in the second period on a Penguins power play to tie the game, but the Hawks carried the action over the first 40 minutes. Even with more struggles controlling the puck and getting it out of the zone at times, Chicago held a 25-11 shot advantage entering the third period.

To his credit, Fleury kept his team in the game while the Blackhawks dominated puck possession.

Panarin’s first goal came at the end of an extended shift at the expense of Sidney Crosby’s line. Patrick Kane and Artem Anisimov were credited with assists, but Panarin circled the zone and put a missile through Fleury to open the scoring.

After allowing a power play goal to Malkin in the second, the Hawks were forced to kill two penalties with key players – Marian Hossa and Duncan Keith – in the box. Both kills were strong, however, with Teuvo Teravaien getting more work on special teams. Andrew Desjardins and Anisimov were especially good on the kill.

After struggling at the dot on Tuesday, rookie Phillip Danault had a much better night. He won blank de black faceoffs, and the third line was on the ice with less than two minutes left in regulation as the Pens pulled Fleury, and Teravainen scored into an empty net with 66 seconds left to put the game away. It was Teravainen’s ninth of the season.

With 40 seconds left, Kris Letang took a run at Panarin because that’s easier than making a positive impact for the Penguins either night. Jonathan Toews too exception and went after Letang, and both were sent to the showers with 34 seconds left in regulation.

Letang finished the night minus-one with an assist on Malkin’s goal.

Toews won nine of 20 faceoffs and put three shots on net. He matched up with Crosby most of the night kept him off the scoreboard.

The fourth line once again saw limited action in the game, but Ryan Garbutt was noticeable. He was credited with one hit and three shots on net in only eight shifts and less than six minutes of ice time.

Scott Darling got the start and made 17 saves against 18 shots to earn the victory. Fleury was fantastic in defeat, stopping 34 of 36. But the Hawks defense was on lock-down and Darling took care of business.

With two wins in two nights, the Hawks will return to the United Center ice to host the Buffalo Sabres on Friday night.

Hjalmarsson Crosby

103 thoughts on “Panarin, Blackhawks Down Penguins Again

  1. I wish they keyed up Letang a little more than Toews’ leg slash for his hit on Panarin. Finishing a hard check on an airborn player is extremely dangerous, especially when he’s twisting and trying to avoid it.

    The Hawks looked great, except for a few brainfart turnovers in our zone, but Darling was ready for it. They were on their heels everytime 88/15/72 were on the ice. The most exciting, electric line in the NHL.

  2. Very exciting games against the Penguins. Had a lot of fun watching them.

    PS: A certain part of me was rooting for another OT. See what’s what.

  3. Panarin has one heck of a lightning fast, incredibly accurate and most unexpected shots that anyone has ever seen. The second goal off the face off was so hard and quick that only in super slow motion from an overhead view is it visible…Foley and Murray both missed it and I think the only person, besides maybe Fleury, who knew it was in was the official behind the net pointing away. Any respect I had for Letang has now evaporated permanently after that cheap cheap really cheap dirty hit on Panarin….Toews stepping in did his Captain duties and very admirable. A toast to the entire team out there tonight and sleep well CI’s for we have a magnificent bunch of champions. Just luv sticking it to the Penguino’s…revenge thing from the 90’s for those that remember and were there.

  4. That might have been the best 60 minute effort of the season. If it wasn’t for Fleury playing out of his mind the Hawks would have scored at least a few more than they did. The shot totals were 37-18 and that was indicative of the Hawks dominance in this game. That was fun.

    And, oh yeah, Panarin can shoot the puck. MERCY! Hopefully the last 2 games convince Panarin to shoot more and defer less.

  5. Not complaining about refs but this is just plain stupid. Really pisses me off the refs/league allow (encourage) this let the team that has cheated more in game already get away with high stick to Tazers face (which is how they scored on a Tazer high stick) then call two penaltys against us just because they already called more against them. This isn’t a casino, a penalty is a penalty regardless of how many one of the teams has already been called for. There also shouldn’t be an instigator. Beat the piss out of anyone who cheap shots, because suspensions do not do shit.

  6. Right on the mark Morrison…just imagine for a sec that Panarin didn’t get back up on his own and needed help off the ice and we find out tomorrow he is out for an indefinite amount of time, which turns out to be months. Nice reward for excellent play and high skill sets. I’m glad goon hockey is mostly eradicated but these kind of things go on still …the players should take care of this on their own. Only way the NHL will ever be effective would be to assess a half a million dollar fine donated to a cancer clinic or Wounded Warriors or something like that but that will never happen. It needs to be self regulated by the players themselves, shaming the offending player.

  7. One takeaway: Pens outhit Hawks 30-11. We need more size and swagger. Too bad Bick is still struggling.

  8. Hawks are hot.

    Amazing that Stan was able to get Panerin without giving up any assets. He’s as good as Eichel, who’s being touted for his play as a savior in Buffalo. They tanked the entire season to get him. Hawks won the Stanley Cup and also got Panerin. Wow.

    Also Gusty plays the game much quicker than Rundblad. He has excellent instincts.
    While the transactions are not linked, swapping a 2nd round pick for Gusty (Rundblad) does not seem so bad.

    Gosh this team is fun to watch as it gels here in January.

  9. Kudos to Panarin and his advisors for picking the Hawks. Playing with Kane has been invaluable to his amazing start – it wouldn’t have happened anywhere else and he will make a lot of money from his wise decision.

    Thought the entire D looked very solid tonight. Feeling much better with the 7 guys we now have. Lastly I thought Shaw was very noticeable – he is having an excellent year IMO, even if his point production isn’t showing it.

  10. Sometimes you just have to just stop and admire how much of a shut down Defender Hjalmarsson is. He made some outstanding last second defensive plays.

    I love seeing him play just as much as I admire watching the 2 youngsters Gustafsson-van Riemsdyk play. They are both so smart and versatile. They could be a spectacular pairing as they compliment each other. Coach Q loves them and he’s going to ride them.

    The Rasmussen line needs to get it’s shit together and play better transition defense. That’s why they played so little. Got caught early in the game overreaching.

    PS: Fleury was a sight to see. Spectacular performances. The one on TVR was Top 10 save of the season material. And the ‘soccer’ style save against Gustafsson. Wow.

  11. Tuevo Teravainen is now projected to have a 18 goals, 23 assists, +12 season. The goals are more than I dreamed of, the assists could be better.

    Artemi Panarin is on pace for a 29 goals, 45 assists, +10 season. I said time ago that I’d be ecstatic with a 22-24 goals season for him. Looks like he’s going to shatter that.

    Just to put this in perspective…. only 15 players in the entire NHL had more than 29 goals last season and only 21 in 2013-2014 season.

    Talking about Gustafsson hes ON PACE TO FINISH THE SEASON +37 !!! That’s unrealistic to happen, especially if he continues to play 2nd D pairing,….but how awesome would that be ?

    +37 … ahahahhah.

    I just hope he has other 2 weeks periods of average play like he did in december. He can’t burn himself in the long NHL season. He needs to save a lot of juice for the playoffs, when it matters.

    People were like ‘Coach Q should scratch him’… I was all ‘hell no. Let him turn it off a little’ and ‘lets see how he responds to the struggle’. He’s responded with 5 goals-2 assist in the next 5 gales after the inferior play period.

    PS: Even though TVR has played 3rd pairing with Gustafsson next to Seabrook on the 2nd… TVR still had the 4th amount of Dmen minutes played in each of those games, I think. That’s so Coach Q.

  12. An ‘edit’ option would be great to have:

    I was talking about Panarin when I wrote:

    “I just hope he has other 2 weeks periods of average play like he did in december. He can’t burn himself in the long NHL season. He needs to save a lot of juice for the playoffs, when it matters.
    People were like ‘Coach Q should scratch him’… I was all ‘hell no. Let him turn it off a little’ and ‘lets see how he responds to the struggle’. He’s responded with 5 goals-2 assist in the next 5 gales after the inferior play period.”

  13. Excellent defensive effort by the Hawks last night. For a team with that much talent Pittsburgh is a train wreck. The young Hawks are coming into their own in making a big difference. I worry about our work horses getting a little burned out with all the hockey they played the last 6 years. But So far this has been an excellent transition year.

  14. First are the Penguins really this bad? Marc-Andre Fleury was amazing! Pens get only 18 shots on net made it a routine night for Darling who played well but not sure he’ll develop at this rate of starts. Pens missed the net more sent pucks wide and out all night long, Hawks great sticks but many just off!

    Second I look for a game that is a turning point, often it is a dramatic win over a great team midway and is very obvious BUT last night beating Pens back to back to me was a turning point to look back on and say that was the night HAWKS put it all together, played as a team with pace, moved the puck up and out and as always “discipline in the defensive zone.” or it was just another game . . . I don’t think so! This TEAM as is can as said day one will be right in it at the end no mater what happens in between. The 3rd line is playing but Baron Von Bickell is a no show!
    Spanky Shaw needs to get down on the 3rd line so he’ll face LESS TALENT in match ups, now Spanky Shaw is getting ground up over time facing the BIG BOYS! Ain’t easy!

    Danault’s amzes me still and is getting 5% smarter each game, He easily replaces Marcus who is great trade bait ( when recovered) around the nhl, Danault’s line dominated and set the PACE like the “Maestro’s Line” did! Danault won 8 face offs so he easily replaces Marcus at the DOT and will get better and is WINNING face offs LATE in games when it is like winning 6! ( coach once said)

    The Maestro Line is magic again, and as mentioned soooo many times when The Artist decides to Shot Quickly, get selfish, and not get caught in passing and looking for Kane or simply over passing . . . Well that shot off the face off win is my point, When was the last time any Hawks Fan saw that?

    RUMOR > That Panarin’s bonus clauses will make his pay day this year . . . let’s just say A LOTTO! Thats why BOW-MAN got him signed for so little . . . so we’ll see. I do not work for HR BLOCK nor play the numbers game since Bobby Hull left when I was 12! I just play and watch and love the game and know what is see on the ice.

    Go hawks

  15. Almost funny that this blog NOW sees Panarin has a great SHOT?
    The kid had it since he was 13 . . . one of the fastest and most Accurate in the NHL.
    Period this is not new, news? Even from the couch his shot and quick release amazes even in old highlight reels from ye ole under 20 World Championships in 2011?

    The onyl kid better is Mr. Toews but he is too busy playing defense, back checking, killing penalties and on a line that is simply about puck possession. He made some nice rushes to the net last night did not finish but GAD DAMN TOEWS IS STRONG!

    Go Artist . . . With out him Hawks under 500 for sure!

  16. Craig Nigrelli- Great post! The comparison to Eichel and Buffalo tanking is right bang on the money. Talk about a heads up smart organization and it was our winning ways and previous record that convinced Panarin to come to us.

  17. My wife calls him Panera Bread!

    I lost a lot of respect for Letang that big baby. What a soar loser. Someone should have taught him some sportsmanship rather than just teaching him to be a stereotypical, bully, jock head!

    I knew Panera Bread was OK right away because after he flipped on to the ice he had that huge smile on his face sliding around on his back. It was a look like, hey, getting pissed off there Letang?

    I am glad Toews chopped Letang for that too. Great leadership, don’t let the rookies get pushed around for doing so good.

    The post-game talk discussed how hard it is to call Kane and Panarin a 2nd line. Then they started to argue about it because you cannot call the Toews line a 2nd line either. So they all just agreed to disagree and settle with the Hawks actually just having 2 first lines right now!

    This was a very fun couple of games to watch. HAWKS ARE BACK!!!!!

  18. Keep Tuevo Teravainen on the 3rd of 4th line and he’ll face less talent, less pressure and less body! He’ll have 3more room and 30 next year if they keep him where he belongs! He’ll also make Dezi the Comeback kid!

    Note > Any player analysis ( he sucks he’s great ) should take into consideration the line! Who is on the ice and who is paired! Hawks for lots of good reasons and dumb place guys out of context called Skill Set, TNT does not have the body to even stand next to Crosby! So why force it and destroy confidence!

    HAWKS ONLY WON CUPS BECAUSE OF 3 and 4 th LINE PLAY!
    Team, effort big time! Most Teams struggle and focus on the top 2 lines but that aint the GAME. IF BOW-MAN is good that is the reason!

    Go Hawks Agian

  19. January 6, 2016 at 11:38 pm

    One takeaway: Pens outhit Hawks 30-11. We need more size and swagger. Too bad Bick is still struggling.

    Actually I think this shows that the Hawks puck possession game is is working. To outhit a team means you don’t have the puck… You can’t score if you don’t have the puck (obviously) It also allows you to dictate the pace of the game…

  20. Dumdum, you are right on about 4. That guy is outstanding. I love the way he plays the game. Rozy did a nice job on the PK last night. TVR made a couple intelligent rushes to the net when it was Warrenton but still played responsible D.

    On the Artist’s second goal Fleury saw the shot the entire time and it just whizzed by him… 72 has a nasty wrist shot. WOW.

  21. Another thought on this Panik… I have NOT seen him play…
    based on Scouting reports, WJC-20 success, and Hilites…. SB- looks to have made a great find…

    1.) big guy, great hands, may really help carry possession os 1stLW…
    if not
    2.) Based on hilites- this guy- looks like he would easily finish and score 12-15 goals on a 3rdLW if he played with Danault/TT… TT – has thrown several beautiful
    saucers to the crease ( Desi/Danault- little finish- yes – Desi has potted few, but will it continue 4 ever??? No) and Panik- IS a proven finisher WJC-20’s say so versus Desi!!!
    3.) that would then lead to – 11/16/65 in PO’s again!!!! (assuming SB lands 1stLW rental at TDL)…

    now we are talking 4 awesome lines!!!

    MtM- I think the Max Contract was paid to Panarin- by League standards???

  22. Best Hawks game of the season. 4th line really misses Krugs. Hopefully by playoff time Krugs will be back. He is a very important part of the core. We won the SC because of our awesome 3rd and 4th lines last year.

  23. Re: Panarin’s contract – the CBA sets limited parameters on Entry Level Contracts (ELCs). An undrafted free agent (like Panarin) can sign a 2-year contract with a maximum dollar amount (I think $894K for contracts started in 2015). The only negotiating flexibility are the bonus levels and odd things like the provision the Hawks gave Panarin where he had the option to void the contract and go back to the KHL if he didn’t make the Hawks out of training camp.

    The Hawks couldn’t offer any more than any other team could have offered him.

  24. A very fine 60 minute effort. We haven’t seen too many of those so far this season, but the team put it together on a larger stage which was impressive. It speaks volumes that the guys played hard for 3 periods to help Darling get back some confidence and find some comfort between the pipes. Good on Q for staying disciplined with keeping his starting goalie fresh with a full schedule coming up. It’s the big picture that matters and keeping your starting goalie fresh into playoffs is a big reason why the Hawks beat many teams when those games really count.

    Panarin shot release is a thing of beauty. Lightning fast. Those 2 goals last night were laser beams and so fast the human eye could only pick it up coming into the net. Not sure which Pens player it was, but on the replay(rare) you could see this guy mutter WTF??? with an eye roll. Priceless. Panarin is going to get quite a payday when it comes time. A massive pickup in the offseason. Kudos to all parties for getting that together.

    Letang trying to run Panarin nonsense at games end when it didn’t matter was cheap BS. Then he body slams Toews after getting a small stick whack to the back of the legs. However, if the Cpt is going to go in to administer “justice” he better be ready for that kind of reaction. What Letang did was attempt to injure. He knew what he was doing. Toews was lucky he wasn’t hurt on that play. The team needs 19 healthy to succeed.

    At mid season mark I think we should be pleased where the Hawks are in the standings. Things could be better as far as balance of scoring through the lineup, but the Toews line should get better if those guys could just bury a few of the quality scoring chances. Hossa gets a few every game. At some point the pucks should start to go in for him. Saad will not be replaced with a player of similar talent. That’s just the way it is. At least this Hawks team is strong down the middle and that is something we could not say since the Cup run in 2010. 4th line will get tinkered with and get better. The d corps are ok. Oduya is missed, but TVR and Gus are doing fine for young guys. Special teams are also a plus in my book although 2 of those pp’s last night were pretty lame efforts. This has been the best pp the Hawks have had in years by my memory. Panarin and TT adds to those units has helped. Goaltending gets high marks. Crow not getting to the All Star game is bizarre and imo wrong.

    On a humorous note, I had to mention the guy sitting to my right last night sounded like a dead ringer for the Matt Foley character done by Chris Farley in the motivational speaker sketch “living in a van down by the river”. Compete idiotic hockey comments but his delivery was priceless.

    Keep it rolling boys.

    Lets Go Hawks!

  25. Wall, that’s what I came up with after the guys calculated the 4.2m cap space to get LW FW and/or Defenseman a 4th line of 11/16/65 again.

  26. Look at the Kings Flyers trade. Lecavalier makes 4.5 per. Schenn 3.6. The former had 2.298 remaining for this year, and the latter had 1.838. Philly retained half. So to acquire to guys that will make a combined 8.1 this year, LA only needed 2.068 in space.

  27. Ernie – in order to get 2 guys the Flyers would have given up for free just to get rid of their cap space…. the Kings had to pay a 3rd rounder & an exciting young forward (92 games-91 points in the AHL last year)

    The Flyers retaining 50 % was paid in full by the Kings.

    By that standard of course the Blackhawks could trade for a 6 months rental, even one with a huge cap hit, as long as they pay the price for that team retaining salary. Thanks, but no thanks.

    I’d rather pay somebody to take Bickell off the books. Ditto for Scuderi. The Hawks need cap space more than they need outside players.

  28. DumDum- now I see where the name comes from…

    “Hawks need cap space more than they need outside players”???
    why/and what do they need cap space? but for better other players/NOT named Bickell???

    was that your Yogi-ism for the day?

  29. I was merely showing how much salary could be brought on via trade at this point. Could in theory get a player for 1/4 price as half the year is gone, and the team can retain half of the remaining.

  30. Your saying we could add at 8.4m or 16.8m at 50% retained (would need two players as the 4.2m is with 20 on 23man). I thought the first 40games (or how many days were into the 82 games, days wise) was already in calculation.

    Isnt there a limit on retained contract per 23man roster. Is it 2 or 3 at a time (28 is the only we got right, 11 resigned).

    Any extra not used is good because that can count towards Bread Mans player bonus for 17.

  31. I did hear that comment, Happy Human. It was a nice dig at the Pens. Interestingly, Eddie said that the Pens were starting to play with more discipline after their coaching change. However, they lost that discipline last night.

    Ditto on some previous comments:
    Hjarlmarsson = Stud
    Letang = Douche Canoe

  32. I’m not smart enough to prorate salaries. The 4.2 figure in theory would be available space on opening night if the Hawks went with a 20 man. I don’t know how these sights come up with their available space once the season starts. I don’t know if they update daily as they’d need to to keep up with roster moves.

    The LA move is interesting just to show the amount of salary the Hawks could acquire at the deadline. With Panarin’s bonuses I really don’t think they spend everything they can.

    You are correct. Teams are limited to 3 retained salary contracts. Garbutt and Scuderi are both retained.

    Also, that 4.2 figure will change with Rundblad being in Europe. They probably can’t get closer than that 15k figure but can still get pretty close. I’m actually not certain Kruger can be placed on LTIR. I read somewhere that a player making less than 2 million can’t be placed on LTIR to start the year. Haven’t seen that but one place, and I don’t know if mid season changes things. Just interesting.

  33. I know what you mean every cap site has a different number for where were at.

    I did find a way to get closer to 71.4m once we made those roster moves theres a way to get within 3,600 of cap (because of 5’s .100 and 71’s .025). I posted it a few days ago.

    January 4, 2016 at 3:08 am
    Up for a midnight snack and thought of this.
    With 5’s .100 and 71’s .025 toward the caphit we have 1,579,455 (hockeyscap).
    RasMoose (575,000) and Mashinter (562,500) go to Rockford = 2,716,955 cap space. Then two of Dano/Haggerty/Pokka (925,000 x 2) come up = 866,955 cap space.
    Then Mcneiller (863,333) comes up = 3,622 cap space.
    Ltir Krugs 1,496,378

    Not sure on the ltir thing but we better be able to use 1.485 of Krugs caphit over the 71.4 since hes injured that long (past 82 games). We need to find this for sure. Not sure who we can ask and get correct answer.

    I know what your talking about, its not just based on what cap space we have now. Its based on how much we used per day (whos been on/not on the 23man). I think its 186 total days the cap space is based on. If we start talking about those numbers I think people will get confused. Nhlnumbers.com has the players caphits calculated based in the 186 days.

    Keeping it simple, based on this site, we have 2.1m cap space
    add 16’s 1.5m/53’s .562/70’s .575 = 4.7m cap space
    subtract 71’s .975 = 3.7m cap space
    that’s with 21 on 23man

    Every time we make roster moves the numbers aren’t the same based on the 186 days.

    Lets find on Krugs ltir, we need to be able to do this.

  34. wall – first of all, you’re an idiot. You should know what kind of bullets US Police uses. Many of them use dumdum bullets and they use them freely.

    They’re also the go-to bullets of the many mass murderers of the many mass murders in the US: Aurora shootings, Sand Hook, Charleston, WDBJ-TV ,…

    You should know more about the place you’re living. Just saying.

    Second of all…yeah, the Hawks need cap space in order to resign guys like Kruger, Shaw, TT, TVR and…wait for it…Panarin. They need that cap space more than they need I don’t know who from I don’t know where.

    I’d rather spend resources (prospects, draft picks) in order to take out Bickell’s cap hit from the books next year, instead of using those resources for a 6 months rental.

    Simple enough principle even a Wall should understand it.

  35. “They’re also the go-to bullets of the many mass murderers of the many mass murders in the US: Aurora shootings, Sand Hook, Charleston, WDBJ-TV ,…”

    What is this world coming to….

  36. DumX2– that writing/wording has me Begging for Hof to come back- at least I could understand him

    the Hawks will have no problem “hiding/eating” 29’s and Scuds problems- this summer… and right now- SB will have enough room to Hire a rental for this run…

    Of course- everyone and his brother wants Bickells hit gone… Let’s not forget- I was the 1st and Loudest person here to Proclaim 29’s contract as bad- and Nickname him “Handcuffs” for it!!! But- No one is going to Eat that for FREE!!!

    so at this point in time… just as likely- SB waits til summer to dump/and eat only small amounts of those bad contracts… with limited loss of assets

  37. broke – just like the stories from this summer about your crack whore father/pastor, you keep on putting yourself into situations where your opinions are pretty much useless.

    I mean what a hell I’m even talking with you 2 zealots… 2 guys that wanted MVP Patrick Kane gone from the Blackhawks this summer.

    You did it because you’re simply close minded. wall on the other hand is a fraud who thinks WE’re stupid… he went on and on all summer long -even before the Kane bullshit rape case- how he’d trade Kane…for cap reasons, obviously.

    Kane for Eichel, Kane for Jimmy and Johnny… and now the shit face come here with
    that crap ?

    “why/and what do they need Kane’s cap space? but for better other players/NOT named Kane ???”. I mean… Jesus Christ. As in… only Jesus is better than Kane, but he has a no-trade clause.

    So the wanker proposed trading Kane for inferior players, but has a problem with trading Bickell in order to resign Shaw, Kruger & Danault.

    I understand the idea of faking it till you make it… but being dumb isn’t an excuse you can use when you go after people who want nothing to do with you.

  38. wall – clearly you’re the follower in your family. At least I hope so.

    if a rental costs assets and dumping Bickell-Scuderi costs even more assets… don’t you think you shouldn’t hire the rental in the first place ?

    Your solution of eating part of their salary next summer because you don’t have the necessary assets anymore sends things to just another level of stupid altogether.

  39. Dummy- I have worked for myself since College… clearly- NOT a follower…

    your writing is so poor… can’t make sense of it!!!

    Ex.) SB- Buys out 29 next summer- giving up ZERO assets… and eating a smaller piece of $$$… NOT – saying it will happen… but could… and might- because NO ONE wants Bickell… and It would be stupid – to give up a REAL asset just to Dump 29…

    Of course- dumping 29 for a couple of Picks and a bum like McNeill could happen next summer (if Hawks are – once again – really against the cap)… BUT- I don’t see McNeill and or late round picks as “Real” assets

  40. To me, the first question to be answered before any decisions regarding personnel moves can be made is “are you all in to win this year?”. It is the first fork in the road and determines the path to take on this season’s journey. Implied in the question is the willingness to forfeit future success to improve the chance to win this season – to be the first repeat champion in the salary cap era. For those who answer in the affirmative, some level of using long term assets for short term gain is acceptable, including trading players/prospects/picks that would otherwise not be used by those who would not take the “all in” path. What may seem asinine to some is because they have answered the primary question differently – not wrong – just differently. We, as Hawks fans, are in a much different position from which to answer that question than the fans of every other team except the LA Kings – we’ve won the Cup multiple times in the last few years so the urgency to grab for the brass ring this season is not quite as urgent as it is for those teams that haven’t won the Cup in a long time, or ever. Or is it? For some Hawks fans it is the same level of urgency – to win now and damn the future. To others it is still the primary objective but tempered by the prospects for continued excellency.

    We’re all Hawks fans who want the Hawks to win. There are just different paths and strategies.

  41. ER, a most provocative post regarding right now vs long term expectations about trying to win a Cup. I believe it is all about winning each and every season for a team that is considered to be an elite team in the league. It’s all about winning! Hawks core is in their prime, with only Hossa starting to trend down from what was a very high level. If there is 1-2 pieces that would fill out this roster and put them into strength for a potentially deep playoff run, I would say go for it. The core guys though probably have another 2-4 very strong years to compete at the upper range and with younger guys via Panarin and TT showing big potential there is a window that this team can be very good through 2018+.

    Bowman(s) have done an excellent job for the most of dealing with nasty cap considerations and keeping this lineup strong. We don’t know what is out there for a rent a player along the lines of what we got last year with Vermette. The circumstances that fell into place to acquire Vermette were unusual due to the timing of the Kane injury and 88’s earlier than expected return to the lineup.

    Inevitably fan favorite quality players that get paid $$$ must be jettisoned in the cycle. It’s is what the league wants. If the right circumstances exist again this year SB will pull the trigger to perhaps get the Hawks a quality LW. or whatever piece the team needs to bring back another Cup. Who gets tired of winning championships anyway??

    Lets Go Hawks!

  42. wall – you wanker was all about trading THE asset named Patrick Kane this summer in order to dump his cap hit.

    Sucking dick since college doesn’t count… my 2 cents.

  43. ER- Thanks for your Coherent writing…

    In any case- SB does have the ability/$$$ to Buy a rental ( and perhaps -sign him (Boedker)) to even longer term)… Just a question of How much SB has to part with and the “Deal”

    I can certainly see deal where this happens- Yotes take 29, 1st pick, Dano or Pokka type for Boedker… Hawks would be Much better/win now… and able to have enough cap to sign Boedker/long term (assuming Cap rises about $3.5+)

    In addition- the way Danault is playing… Kruger is looking like a possible cap casualty (if Hawks- can’t afford him next year)… I am not suggesting it/and Hawks are still better with him… but if sign Boedker type long term… it is a real possibility…
    Really would make fiscal sense… BUT- I think it would make Hawks look bad as organization- cuz Kruger- went out of his way to sign cheap/stay a Hawk- so Hawks do Owe the guy- imo

    Much depends on Yotes- right now they are Overachieving… but they have to realize – they are still a flawed/weak SC contender… hope they drop off a little- so the Deal is easier for them to make… if they do- The deal – would be very favorable long term… They have solid young pieces… and (Dvorak- who came via Hawks/Yotes deal/pick)… add a Dano/1st pick… wow- Yotes can be really Good for a while/real soon!!!

  44. ER-good post, you have brought up the right question-the Hawks (and most of their fans) are in an enviable position. Either way isn’t wrong because of the success of the last several years-19, 4 and 88 have a longer window than Keith and even Seabrook-this core of 5 have a few years left and they need to set themselves up to win now or in the next two or three years-
    farther down the road, to me, doesn’t even come into play-It would be cool to have one more in this decade and is this year their best chance?

  45. Dummy- your comebacks are so clever…

    why doesn’t sucking dick count? it is an honest job, and I bet it pays more than yours at Walmart!!!

  46. Guys like Toews have played a lot of hockey (intense, grinding, physical hockey) Playoffs, Olympics, etc.
    They are still young but might get old faster than some. Playing deep into the playoffs has a cost, especially early on the next year-but what does year after year of playing tough, meaningful hockey have on the body-even with today’s athletes being fitness machines.
    19 doesn’t take too many shifts off. And doesn’t avoid the greasy spots.
    And next year, World Cup
    His hockey legacy might be up to 30 yrs old.

  47. To put some meat on them bones – let’s get specific to the extreme to drive home the point.

    Let’s assume there are two positions that need to be replaced – 1LW and top-4 d-man – and that by acquiring those 2 players the Hawks would be the odds on favorite to win the Cup this season. But acquiring those players comes at a cost that would almost assuredly mean the Hawks will not be a legitimate contender for the next several years.

    Let’s also assume the players I use in the example would be attainable and not get hung up on the players in the example because they are just that – examples for the sake of this argument. Likewise the trades themselves are just examples – so any dispute with the players involved will only divert from the point I’m trying to make – which is to emphasize there are widely divergent opinions on what the Hawks should do held by true blue Hawks fans and multiple paths the Hawks organization can take – none of which are “wrong” – only seen that way by fans with a different mindset.

    The targeted 1LW is Patrick Marleau ($6.6M x 2) because unlike Arizona (Boedker) that will not give up Boedker so long as they have a shot at making the playoffs and earning some much needed playoff revenue – San Jose is at a spot where the Thornton/Marleau window has closed and Wilson is past due to rebuild. But in order to fit Marleau under the cap, the Hawks would need to trade Bickell ($4m x 2) and have SJ retain $2.6M ($6.6M – $4m). To induce SJ to do that, the Hawks would need to send them Teravainen, Pokka, and our 2016 1st round draft pick. The Hawks would have Marleau for this season and next, so not a true rental.

    The targeted top-4 d-man if Dustin Byfuglien ($5.2M x 1). The Hawks would need to offset salary in order to fit Buf under the cap, so they would for Winnpeg to take Scuderi ($2.25M x 2) in the trade. To induce Winnipeg, the Hawks would need to send them Dano, Svedberg and our 2016 2nd round draft pick. Buf would be a true rental as the Hawks would not have the cap space to re-sign him after this season.

    So, to make the Hawks the odds on favorite to win the Cup this season, it will cost Teravainen, Dano, Pokka, Svedberg and the 1st and 2nd 2016 draft picks. Would you do it? What price are you willing to pay?

  48. wall – there aren’t any Wallmarts in Europe…wall. You’re extremely limited… and making my point.

    everything you write is contrary to the idiotic idea of trading Kane you busted our balls with… all summer long.

    “It would be stupid – to give up a REAL asset just to Dump 29…”
    means
    “It would be stupid – to give up a REAL asset just clear 4M of cap space”

    Same character which went on and on and on 6-7 months ago saying:

    “We should trade THE asset of the decade,Patrick Kane, in order to clear 10M of cap space”

    I really don’t think your stupidity allows you to understand how moronic and contradictory your opinions are. It might blow the mind of somebody willing to put stock in basic logic.

    I’m obviously not even trying… you’re a fraud and not a good one.

  49. ER based on the players you have discussed I do not believe SB would make those moves. Nice presentation though.

    Lets Go Hawks!

  50. EbonyRaptor –
    If you do that Marleau deal you would also not have enough $$$ to resign 2 between Kruger, Shaw or Danault next summer. Add TT to the mix and there goes an elite bottom line.

    Actually you’d only roll 3 lines now if you take TT out of the lineup.

  51. DUMMY- Europe- explains POOR English/writing!!!

    1st off- Never said- Trade Kane… said things like if Guilty… and posed the question… (said trade Kane 4-5 years ago – when he had bad year )…

    2nd- “resign 2″… just further proof – you don’t understand English/ and are sweeping the floors somewhere at a Petro station in Denmark!!!

  52. DD – you kinda made my point because yes, (assuming) there wouldn’t be enough cap space to re-sign all those guys – that’s part of the price I alluded to with the premise “But acquiring those players comes at a cost that would almost assuredly mean the Hawks will not be a legitimate contender for the next several years.”

    But the premise also included “by acquiring those 2 players the Hawks would be the odds on favorite to win the Cup this season.” Therefore your comment about the impact of losing TT gets us off the track of this discussion.

  53. ER- If Yotes begin to fall – I still see Boedker as possibilty…
    furthermore- Rumor is Boedker- doesn’t really want to stay/sign there… so really Yotes would be smart to deal him and get something instead of nothing if he plans on walking as UFA

  54. ER, I doubt management would sacrifice so many future assets to win a Cuo THIS year. The Hawks are not desperate. This team will be at about the 100 point mark, make the playoffs and keep the fans happy and wanting more.

    Since this blog has been about Panarin’s alot this week, I thought I would write about the Calder Trophy. ESPN in it’s wisdom has Panarin way out front……but I am not so sure. Maybe the rest of the season will work to his benefit but there are holes in his performance.

    I HATE the Red Wings….but to me Larkin would win the Calder if the season ended today. Reason:
    Panarin has 14 goals, 23 assists, 38 points on a team with a goal differential of +17…..Yet he is only a plus 5.
    Larkin has 14 goals, 14 assists, 28 points on a team that has a goal differential of -4…….Yet Larkin is a whopping +23

    How does this happen? Is it a statistical oddity or is the he that bad on defense? I mean, Kaner has a whopping 60 points and is only a +20.

  55. Wall, I’m fine with having a discussion on individual player acquisitions and there have been many of them. However, the specific discussion I’m trying to have is not a this player versus that player, it’s a “willing to damn the future to win this season” versus “not willing to damn the future to win this season” discussion. I set up an extreme example to clearly define the gap between the two schools of though. The individuals used in the example are not necessarily germane to the argument, only necessary to flesh out the picture to help a philosophical discussion.

    Realistically, I suspect most fans hold a more hybrid position than the extremes of doing nothing or trading away the future for a one-time shot this season. But the objective of this discussion is to acknowledge there are different schools of thought held by fellow Hawks fans and just because they don’t square with your thinking doesn’t mean they are stupid or asinine or “wrong” any more than your thoughts should be seen as stupid or asinine or “wrong” by a fellow Hawk fan.

  56. Mike, I doubt Stan would do the trades I used too, but the discussion isn’t about what Stan may or may not do – it’s about the different viewpoints of the fans who post on this and other websites and the intolerance to accept a differing opinion. The point I’m trying to drive home is that different fans have different viewpoints which for the most part are equally valid and shouldn’t be subject to scorn or ridicule. I’m trying to show that a valid case can be made for anywhere from doing nothing to trading away the future or somewhere in between. You don’t have to agree with you fellow Hawk fan’s thoughts, but understanding how he came to think that way may stop some of the childishness that all too often clogs the blogs.

  57. ER- I don’t get what your chastising me about… I didn’t say anyone was wrong…

    to my point/with Dumdum… I just didn’t understand his thoughts/writing…
    just like you aren’t understanding mine ( I think- cuz- I am not saying you or DumDum are wrong or Dumb)… I am simply saying there ARE options for SB…
    and at the end of day…. GM’s have to weigh/figure the costs/risks/rewards of all deals/or standing pat… BUT- SB has a lot more options/cuz he can ship guys back and forth from Rock/bank some cap… and perhaps utilize some buyouts (if needed next summer)…

    I still think he is trying to look/sign someone 1LW longer term… BUT- of course it will take the “right” guy and the “right” deal and a willing partner… how many years did it take to land 2nd C???

  58. Wall- English isn’t Dum Dum’s first language. Had that discussion with him once before. I dont agree with him often, but I’ll cut him some slack in that department.

  59. I believe that ER has clearly stated that his initial post regarding moves or no moves to be made based on going for winning now at a cost to the future, or to balance now and the future is simply to provide a forum to air ones views. Discussions should be engaged based on how one feels about the subject. People will always agree and disagree which is what makes for a lively debate.

    Lets Go Hawks!

  60. ER/Phil, good posts. I would always rather win the Cup every year we can. Think the Bowmans will not allow us to use too much assets to do so. That’s why we have loaded the farm when we can and use it when we need or want. We only used draft picks when we needed otherwise we used them to draft.

    I like to look at it as, always trade picks/prospects to complete your roster on years we need to do that and use the draft picks to draft on years we already have a complete roster (’13). Even though we traded for 27 on another year then that one. That way your not thinking oh shit that’s the best trade ever or that’s the worst waste of picks/etc. ever.

    With as many new guys we have we had to wait and see who can play and who is better. I am thinking the plan was that we were going to add a FW and/or Defenseman at the deadline no matter what because we had a few new and young guys and wernt sure until these guys got enough games under their belts. As the young guys do this they get better with experience. Then Bowman adds what we need to complete roster without trading the farm away.

    We have an rare opportunity to do what we have always dreamed of doing. Something that happens about every 2 decades.

  61. wall – that didn’t take long. First main post I checked…. there you were:

    Wall
    August 6, 2015 at 4:03 pm
    My kane to sabres for eichel deal,thought for summer is starting to look pretty good. Jeez! !!

    wall
    August 6, 2015 at 5:25 pm
    Ernie- I can think of over $9 million reasons (in savings)… that Eichel would be a better “chance” to take than Kane right now!!!!

    PS: First thing to note: you’re English sucks !!!

    “My kane to sabres for eichel deal,thought for summer is starting… “.
    That’s a C- right there.

    “I can think of over $9 million reasons (in savings)… that Eichel would be a better “chance” to take than Kane”.
    That’s a D-. Really, really poor.

    PS2: You’re starting to look ridicule. I humiliate you by simply copy/pasting your own posts.

    YOU (TODAY)
    “Never said- Trade Kane… said things like if Guilty… and posed the question… (said trade Kane 4-5 years ago – when he had bad year )…”
    YOU (AUGUST)
    “My kane to sabres for eichel deal,thought for summer” is starting to look pretty good.”

    So don’t try to bullshit your way out, in that shitty written english of yours…

    “My kane to sabres for eichel deal,thought for summer”
    means
    “somewhere in between the start of the investigation and after the Stanley Cup Win”.

    Il mondo e paese. Fai cagare.

  62. re: guys the Hawks could/should trade –

    center: the Hawks are actually positioned to be surprisingly deep moving forward. Toews & Anisimov are signed for the next 5+ years each, and Danault looks like the real deal as a 3C. Kruger being RFA at the end of the season, and missing 3-4 months, complicates his future in some ways but may ultimately make him a shorter term-more affordable play on his next contract. Unfortunate for the player, potential win for the organization.

    wing: look around the roster right now. Panarin, Teravainen, Shaw are young(er) players who are becoming known commodities with specific skill sets in the NHL. Hossa is here for the next few years. Kane isn’t going anywhere. The organization has Dano, Hartman, Hinostroza in Rockford coming. They also have some quality players in college right now: Schmaltz, Olofsson, Hayden, Motte. Bickell can go anytime, and the way Desjardins has been effective on both ends w/ TT & Danault shows that nice players can provide excellent value in the Hawks’ system.

    the blue line, with 2, 7 & 4 in the fold for at least a couple years moving forward and guys like TvR & Gustafsson showing promise at the NHL level, is where the Hawks have a lot of assets and potential. Pokka, Forsling, Dahlstrom, Norell, Press are all kids that intrigue… but there isn’t room for all of them on the NHL roster.

    This team is hot, healthy(ish), and starting to gel – and they’re going to add Panik to the mix soon (which should push Mashinter back to Rockford). Where there were some needs last year, I’m not as “pull the trigger” needy as I have been in the past w/ the organization. Players who have been drafted, developed and nurtured along in the Bowman-Quenneville system are starting to matriculate to the NHL level and make an impact. I believe we’ve reach the point that the organization can be relatively self-sufficient moving forward, without the need for many significant moves unless unknown circumstances – another significant injury or off-ice incident – make them necessary.

  63. Also think we were trading for 80 even if 88 didn’t get injured when he did. We would have traded someone to make the caphits work (23/29).

  64. Wall, I wasn’t chastising you (or anyone). I responded to your post regarding a specific comment you made, but used the word “you” in a general sense – as in you, me – “anyone”.

  65. Another thing about trading with ARI is by trading a 2nd for 5, I think that helped in getting 80 and future trades. It wasn’t just about 5.

  66. The path I would take, if I were Stan, would be the hybrid where I would try to find the sweet spot between enhancing the chances to win this season and mortgaging the future so much it almost guarantees not winning the next few seasons. In other words, because the Hawks have won three Cups in the past 6 years, I would not forfeit the chance to win any of the next few years even if winning this season were guaranteed. I would feel differently is this were 2009 and the Hawks hadn’t won the Cup in 49 years – back then I would have been in favor of doing anything and everything to win the Cup and future success be damned. But now, I value continued excellence over a one-time win.

    But, I can understand why some of my fellow Hawk fans would see it differently.

  67. Tab- Please inform the sites LeTang lovers that he was picked as an All-Star player to represent the Pens. Do they think the NHL will slap his wrist? That hit makes the selection group look bad.

  68. Now… if I can just get back to hockey…

    My opinion is that the 2 options you guys are debating about are faulted, because they are based on a faulted premises.

    I mean… the options are ‘go for it this year and risk the future’ and ‘go along with your business and think about the long path’.

    I think they’re going for it either way. Even in this transition year they totally going for it. Now…the degree of difficulty is obviously higher this year, but it’s would be difficult either way…rental or no rental. How many years since somebody repeated ?

    If you watch the NFL or the NBA -I do- you’ll see guys like Belichick and Popovich always (ALWAYS) playing the long game. And then boom, once in a while they go in a sustained all-in mode. Belichick did it last year with Revis, Popovich this year with Aldridge.

    The Hawks did that just last year. They were always going to do it with Sharp-Oduya gone, but Kane’s injury made it that much more blatant.

    There’s no way they they can do it again this year. You just can’t do it if you’re the type of club the Patriots, the Spurs or the Blackhawks are.

    I personally hope they stay clear of the nonsense. I trust most of the young players and I’m excited about them. If they spent I hope they do it in order to clear Bickell’s contract for next year…with key pieces like Shaw and Kruger more than deserving their own piece of the dough and status.

    The only important expenditure the Blackhawks should make is extend Coach Quennville…like tomorrow. I can’t stand the stress of having him enter next season (a contract year) unsigned.

    Nobody’s talking about it… I get paranoid about that to tell you the truth. Why isn’t there anybody talking and asking questions ? It’s the biggest story in the NHL for a while now.

  69. Tab – I agree.
    The Hawks are in a very, very good spot. If they “pull the trigger” the risk of taking steps back is pretty high.

    ” I believe we’ve reach the point that the organization can be relatively self-sufficient moving forward, without the need for many significant moves.”

    I quote that as well. The ‘within’ players are finally there and there should be limited incentive for ‘outside’ players. The enemy is called ‘cap space’.

    Hence…I would only spend resources for within in order to get rid of Bickell-Scuderi, so that they can keep those key ‘within’ pieces (Shaw-Kruger are well known, but there are also Danault-Rasmussen who are FA next summer).

    PS: You have to believe Kruger’s new contract is a given. Not only because he’s a key piece of the Team puzzle on and off the rink (ditto for Shaw), but also because this is professional sports… Kruger surely would have cashed in on his stunning playoffs performance last season. You don’t take such a friendly, brotherly deal like he did, if things aren’t set in stone for the future.
    He could have gotten double the money for 5 extra years.

    If the Blackhawks don’t re-sign Kruger… they literally shit on the principle of meritocracy they’re all about. I can’t see it… I don’t even want to hear about it.

  70. DD, I understand your thinking and rationale and I’m probably closer to your side of the thinking than the other – to me the long game takes precedence over the short game providing the long game is defined as the time period where Keith, Toews and Kane are still elite level players. I would rather have a slightly lesser chance to win multiple Cups over the next 5 years than a slightly greater chance to win this season.

    Where we differ is I would not spend a current/future asset (like TT or Dano) to rid ourselves of Bickell’s contract. I would rather keep the future young player and pay the cap hit to buy him out next June.

  71. Drafted as Carl Dahlstrom in the 2nd round in 2013. Also goes by Calle Dahlstrom. He’s 20, 6’4″ 220. Played 2 games with Rockford at the end of the year and got an assist. Currently playing with Linkoping. He’s like a lot of Swedish d-men. Not really offensive. But solid defensively.

  72. MudTurtle – no I don’t. I only watch Italian football (soccer whatever). I’m a huge fan of a team from there.

    Why ? You want some scouting from somebody who maybe knows him, saw him live ? I could ask some of my italian ‘internet friends’ who surely know him.

  73. ER- look at what Stan did last year with moves. He got rid of Dahlbeck and pick for Vermette. Dahlbeck is a borderline NHL player. Look at the other moves he made. Clendening, fringe nhler at best. Johns and Paliotta, not in the league yet. He’s gotten rid of guys that others may have liked more than he did in order solidify a weakness. He knows his talent better than the other teams which is critical to “winning” trades. That’s a huge part in not mortgaging the future while getting assets to help now.

  74. EbonyRaptor- oh, no, no, no, no.
    I wouldn’t use Teravainen for that. Not in a million years. I might use Teravainen for a Jeff Skinner or Kuznetsov trade, but that’s because I have a soft spot for those 2 in my fantasy land.

    I would use Dano, though. We still don’t know if he fits the system, he’s an exclusive RW in my mind and he still has great trade value for his NHL play last season.

  75. Throwin’ 2 cents in….I’d say the overwhelming majority votes for “go for it now” over playing it safe when it comes to our next chance at the Holy Grail. That is, until a sober look is taken at who has to go in order to make the moves this year to win the Cup. I believe we are nearly good enough right now to win it again this year…i said “nearly”. We don’t have to sell the ranch to win it again this season. This club is gelling, very talented, core intact and performing. There’s some much improved clubs this year (Dallas; Washington) but we’re right there, we are

  76. Ernie – without Kane’s injury the Hawks wouldn’t have had the cap space to sign Vermette. Making the Coyotes eat a big chunk of that would have cost a lot more than they him, which wasn’t peanuts.

  77. ER,

    Count me in the “hybrid” group. I believe that there is a balance to keep, where you are always looking to win in the current year, but also keeping an eye on future seasons. I commend the Blackhawks organization for keeping this balance, which has resulted in a great run of several years, with optimism for future seasons, as well.

    In my opinion, the fault with the extreme “win at all costs this year” thinking is that, the Stanley Cup champion is frequently not the favorite going into the playoffs. The best team on paper, or the team with the best regular season, does not always flourish in the playoffs. Cup winning teams have a series of qualities:

    1) A goalie that gets hot at the right time.
    2) A coach that “pulls the right strings”.
    3) A team that stays healthy.
    4) A good dose of luck.

    There are probably more, but the fact remains that even as the “odds on favorite” to win the Cup, a team is more likely than not to fail in that quest.

  78. RM89 – you’re absolutely correct – there are no guarantees. But, even if there was a way to guarantee the win this year – I still wouldn’t be in favor of paying a price that would GREATLY reduce the possibility of winning one or more Cups within the next 5 years (or whatever the Keith-Toews-Kane window ends up being), whereas I would be in favor of paying any price to win the Cup if it were like 2009 where we hadn’t won in 50 years.

  79. Please not TT–Dano or Schmaltz if necessary-and I was impressed with the discipline/growth that Schmaltz, showed in the junior tournament. He’s seems coachable-(and Wilson is a knob)

    Is Panarin still 170 lbs? He seems hard to move off the puck-stronger than I would have expected.

  80. I’ve seen pics of Panarin when he was working out and he’s solid so if he’s 170lbs he must be only about 5’3″. But he’s probably about 5’10” and closer to 185-190.

  81. Dumdum- 1st there is this thing called context… I am not going to guarantee it…

    but guessing some of those “quotes” of mine… might have said… WOULD the Hawks be better off trading 88 for Eichel, etc… – but- I do 100% admit of being wrong on several things… so whatever…

    and several of those summer quotes- were with the context of IF KANE was actually guilty of these things….

    You must be one of the Many unemployed in Italy/Spain- with all of this free time to look up/paste and take out of context my quotes from months ago…

    Lastly I do not look Ridicule??? I don’t think it is physically possible!!! Once- again – your understanding of English- Not to good… I am so Humiliated!!! I may never be able to post here again!!!

    Please stop

  82. wall – this is not about you being wrong. It’s about you being a fraud and a rather pathetic one.

    6 months ago you were in favor or at least opened to the idea of trading Kane (the ultimate asset in the league) for inferior players and cap relief. Busting our balls about it.

    Today you get all frigid and superior about me being in favor of spending assets just to trade trade Bickell and get cap relief.

    It’s the SAME thing… with the difference that I’m not going around in favor of trading the league MVP.

    PS: As to me spending time looking for your lame posts that expose your inferiority… I’ve already told you I found them in the first main post I looked on the site.

    google-> commited indians kane rape->tab’s main post-> your damming comments in the first 20 user posts-> copy/paste. I could have done that while on the loo. I should have.

    See, I always knew you were a fraud. The signs are everywhere. Finding the posts that prove it…easy work.

  83. fwiw, in my mind we have been the odds on favorite to win it since Jan ’13. maybe earlier // more swagger!

    So,.. Dunc is not an NHL All Star on Defense? my therapist is going to be sorry to hears this!!

    some good reading here.. many thanks to those who donate their time/insight

  84. Dumdum- Now I finally understand – trade Bickell- regardless of losing assets…
    I agree 100%- didn’t understand your writing before… I completely agree w/ Spending assets to Take off/ remove Handcuffs….

    I apologize if I offended you… but I really didn’t understand your verbage…
    my only point to your stick,,, Is SB has more options… he has some cap… and can bury 29 if other teams won’t take the anchor Bickell…

    Have a good nite my friend…

  85. RD, I felt the same way. Even in 11 and 12 we didn’t have a full roster but we have the top core in hockey and we still did what we did. Think about what we have done and are doing every year other then those 2. I feel the same way still.

  86. Ad hominem. You know what that means Dum Dum? Can you make a point without making personal attacks at the person you’re talking to? You are everything that makes me hate talking hockey with some hockey fans. When I share the air with people like you, I can feel my IQ drop. Stick to the issues, make your point and move on.

  87. Tony-You are 100% correct…it appears we have lost Hof due to this nonsense and probably others that we don’t know about….no place for personal attacks and as far as trolls go, just ignore them.

  88. Ernie – Thanks for the info on Dahlstrom. No need to ask anyone,

    DumDum – I know Strazzabosco’s uncle over here. He played D for the national team in the Olympics and had a tryout with Buffalo and someone else if I remember correctly. I was just wondering if you knew of him and his play.

  89. Tony – first of all, do YOU know what dumdum means ? Just google it.

    “Expanding bullets were given the name Dum-dum, or dumdum, after an early British example produced in the Dum Dum Arsenal, near Calcutta, India.”

    So you have a city, the nickname of an object (a gruesome, infamous and world know object), the name of a Lollipop and an american slang term of ‘dumb’.

    First of all…I’m not an american which means that this is exactly a ‘ad hominem’ kind of a situation, just not how you meant it.

    “When used inappropriately, it is a logical fallacy in which a claim or argument is dismissed on the basis of some irrelevant fact or supposition about the author or the person being criticized.”

    My hockey argument is dismissed on the basis of some irrelevant fact (my nick meaning something in US slang) or supposition (taking for granted I know every US slang… I don’t) about the author…

    Second of all… if you chose the slang version basically calling me dumb it becomes a free for all zone. I might or might not respond. Today I responded.

    And I was actually talking hockey. If you follow the topic you’ll see. I wrote a 100% hockey post and that dude comes in with “your dumb…is this your yogi-ism of the day?”. So please proceed in giving him a Ad hominem/internet ethics lecture as well, because if you don’t I’ll totally ignore your well intended and correct opinion.

    I mean, in hockey, the instigator gets extra penalty minutes. I’m not seeking that, but at least send us both to the box.
    I’m here to talk hockey, not to be insulted. I get that elsewhere, so I’m not in the mood at all.

  90. MudTurtle – no I don’t. I’m not italian, but I did try and follow the sport there a little. It’s a sport in decline. Just consider the fact that the Hockey arena in Torino made for the Olympics -the largest indoor arena in Italy- doesn’t host a hockey team. That kind of tells the whole story.

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