Patrick Kane Leads Blackhawks To Victory In Buffalo

After being off for what felt like a month, the Blackhawks returned to the ice in frigid Buffalo.

And early on the Hawks looked like they had just been off for more than a week. The Sabres outplayed the Hawks for a big part of the first period, but Cam Ward and the defense in front of him kept the score tied at zeroes just long enough.

At 18:38 into the period Drake Cagguila scored his first goal as a member of the Blackhawks.

Eleven seconds after the goal Rasmus Ristolainen took a run at Patrick Kane. Jonathan Toews didn’t appreciate the high hit and went after Ristolainen.

The two received minor penalties and the period ended with Chicago holding a 1-0 lead. Buffalo out-shot the Blackhawks 14-7 in the first period.

Chicago came out of the room with a different edge to start the second period. Kane, who was apparently just fine after the Ristolainen hit, extended the lead to two just 50 seconds into the period. The goal is the 900th regular season point in Kane’s career.

Five minutes into the second Duncan Keith, the subject of some interesting trade rumors over the last 48 hours, scored his second of the season.

The Hawks held a three-goal lead for 13 minutes until Jack Eichel got Buffalo on the board.

Brandon Saad answered with 20 seconds left in the period, however, to give the Blackhawks a three-goal lead late in the second.

Saad, playing in his 500th career regular season game, put home his 16th but that wasn’t the last action of the period. Tage Thompson took a run at Kane as the clock reached zero.

Thompson was called for interference and started the third period in the box after a brief conversation with Brent Seabrook.

Chicago out-shot Buffalo 15-12 in the second period, and the Sabres made a change in net to start the third period. Carter Hutton allowed four goals against 22 shots through 40 minutes and was replaced by Linus Ullmark.

Unfortunately, the Hawks started the third the way they started the game – and the Sabres took advantage.

Jason Pominville scored at 3:39 to cut the lead to two. And with Connor Murphy in the box, Kyle Okposo scored a power play goal at 7:16 to cut the lead to one.

At the media stoppage after the 10 minute mark of the third, Buffalo had a 12-3 shot advantage in the period.

At 11 minutes into the third, Murphy came onto the ice after a big save by Ward and Kane found him in the middle of the ice. Murphy delivered and Kane picked up a third point in the game.

Ward continued to hang tough while facing a lot of shots.

Buffalo pulled Ullmark with three minutes left in regulation and Kane took advantage 13 seconds later, flipping home his second goal of the night from the blue line to push the lead back to three.

With 38 seconds left in regulation, Saad picked up an ugly turnover at the blue line and rifled one past Ullmark to give the Blackhawks seven goals in their return from the layoff.

Ward made 40 saves against 43 shots in the victory.

Jeff Skinner was credited with 10 of Buffalo’s 43 shots on net. Kane and Murphy led Chicago with four shots each.

Saad (two goals) and Cagguila (one goal, two assists) joined Kane in having multi-point games. Carl Dahlstrom was the only Hawks defenseman without a point in the game but he finished plus-three with two blocked shots in 19:10.

100 thoughts on “Patrick Kane Leads Blackhawks To Victory In Buffalo

  1. For the record, Hull65 was really mad at Bowman that the Blackhawks didn’t sign the great goaltender Carter Hutton this past summer.

    Buffalo loses on their own ice chasing a playoff spot and looks bad doing it.

    Caggiula (another one of Hull65’s whipping boys) with a great game. Go figure.

  2. Let’s be fair to Bowman. Pretty brutal off-season. Some rough contracts. But the Ward signing was smart, and he might have scored some really nice pieces through trades the past two years.

    Caggiula fit well with 19 and 88 tonight. I liked how he shot from the slot in the 3rd instead of deferring to Kane. Keep playing like you belong there.

    I’m still hopeful for Murphy to take another step. We desperately need hard nosed guys on the backend. But Murphy can skate too.

    Strome could become a key depth scorer. Koekkoek has been noticeable.

    Bowman made his mistakes but he’s done about as well as you could expect in recovering from them. Pick up some depth scoring at the deadline, draft forward prospects, sign a top free agent or two with cap space, and hope that 2 of the 4 horsemen pan out. This team can make a push in the near future.

  3. That was a fun one to watch. Was not expecting them to play this well after the lay-off. If Bowman can fix the blue line, they’re a playoff team. Kane is singlehandedly trying to get this team back to the playoffs. I would rather get a lottery pick, but this makes me hopeful for next season.

  4. That’s a performance that gives hope for the future. Top line produced, 3rd line produced (and did the job defensively), defensemen produced and played pretty solid as a unit, goaltending held its own and kept us in the game early AGAIN. I’m liking the lines as they become more static. Defense pairings I have been pretty clear with preferring them as they were tonight. This is why we needed a coaching change. We are growing for the future and setting up lines for the future.

    Let’s see what tomorrow brings.

    Better chance of a pick in the 8-12 range than top 5.

  5. Haha wow, you really are quite the number Row. All about Kane tonight as I mentioned before game time….. if you just hang around with Kane you pick up points…Ask Strome, Cat, Cagg. They have to put them with #88 once in awile to get those numbers up. Joke!
    Carter Hutton? As a back up would have been just fine but then again Bowman would have given him $3 laughabkle dollars like he gave Ward. Was Kunitz playing tonight.
    Once again, straying away from the obvious. Were you watching the game? All about 88, 2, 7, 19….That’s it. Nothing else. I guess you never played hockey or skated…but maybe if you do, you must be like Strome, very sloooooooooooooooooooooooooow.
    Once again you have nothing to say about the GM’s performance so enjoy Cagg’s rise to dominance.
    I would rather just admire Dale Tallon’s kid #88 , 26 points ahead of the next scorer on this team. Magic! Simply Magic! Or, you want talk about little Kahun. Sorry, that’s another Bowman classic.
    91 19 88
    20 15 12
    the bottom 6, who cares.
    Tab, any news on Perlini’s condition? Are they holding off to trade him at the deadline for Marko Dano?

  6. Thats 3 wins after losing 5 = even. There was two ties in that. Back to 5, which is where we were at after that 6-2-1 start of 2nd 40 games. Going to make the playoffs. Two and a half 6-2-1 will get there.

    When newspaper person asked Dunks about thing and said, NWJ was good one and not the next. Think hes being humble and 100 player of all time class. When he said PIT has won a lot and we have been there right with them. That was his way of being classy, knowing we had a dynasty and they had a bookend when league was watered down.

    Same thing with saying NWJ was good last yr and not this yr. NWJ played good for 20 games. Sucked yrs before and after those 20 games and still does this yr. BUF is a good team or in the making, somewhat. NWJ teams did not play hard against them, have to ck that sch. those first 20 games, then teams ‘played’ against them. Like BUF after first 20/30 games?

    For every 8-3 goal loss or lopsisded ones we have had, we have won just as many with that kind of score.

    2nd 40 games sch. is easier. Sch. is normal.

  7. Not once did it seem like we were a bottom 10 team. Record is misleading, same a 1 seed in 16.. We were top 5 team, not a 1 seed. Refs call nothing all game, then two against us in 3rd. Yeaahhk. Were a mid tier team, without a full roster. Once we get more near full roster were borderline top 10. Cannot take a 81 and 4 off 23man and still be top 5 team.

    We need certain spots replaced with similar quality. Then lets talk.

  8. @ Hull65

    Time for your nightly thrashing. Blackhawks win big and you’re still complaining. You must really be craving your nightly thrashing, here goes:

    “Haha wow, you really are quite the number Row. All about Kane tonight as I mentioned before game time….. if you just hang around with Kane you pick up points…Ask Strome, Cat, Cagg. They have to put them with #88 once in awile to get those numbers up. Joke!”

    How’d you like those goals by Saad tonight? How come you don’t mention him and who drafted him? Oh, that’s right. It doesn’t suit your narrative.

    By the way, how is that letter to Rocky Wirtz coming along and why do you keep ignoring the question? You know how obsessed you are with my posts.

    “Carter Hutton? As a back up would have been just fine but then again Bowman would have given him $3 laughabkle dollars like he gave Ward.”

    Yes, Carter Hutton. You screamed like a little girl when the Blackhawks didn’t sign him. Just like you scream like a little girl for a new GM every week. Whose turn is it now? One of the Sutter family? Tallon? How is Tallon doing in Florida? Or Doug Wilson? How many Stanley Cups has Doug Wilson won in San Jose?

    “Was Kunitz playing tonight.”

    Yes he did. Keen observation.

    “Once again, straying away from the obvious.”

    Yes, like how is that letter to Rocky Wirtz coming along? Why are you so afraid to stand up and be accountable for your rants?

    “Were you watching the game?”

    Yes, that and the Ice Hogs game. You seem strangely obsessed with where I am. Sorry, I do not swing your way nor play on your team.

    “All about 88, 2, 7, 19….That’s it. Nothing else.”

    I guess you didn’t watch the game. Two goals by Saad. Three point night from Caggiula. 43 shots, 40 saves by Ward. You are wrong again. Just like you were wrong about the Welcome Back Kotter character. Did you ever look that up? Get back to me when you do.

    “I guess you never played hockey or skated…but maybe if you do, you must be like Strome, very sloooooooooooooooooooooooooow.”

    Sure did, more than you I can assure you of that. But it’s too much fun thrashing you so let’s talk about that another time. Maybe when you finish your letter to Rocky Wirtz or after you check on that Welcome Back Kotter thing.

    “Once again you have nothing to say about the GM’s performance so enjoy Cagg’s rise to dominance.”

    Can you not read? If you can read, can you not comprehend what you read? I have commented on Bowman in response to your continued goofball observations several times in the past few days. If you cannot comprehend what I have written, get someone to explain it to you.

    “I would rather just admire Dale Tallon’s kid #88 , 26 points ahead of the next scorer on this team. Magic! Simply Magic!”

    Kane is a great player no doubt. Tallon should get undying credit for doing the obvious and drafting him #1.

    “Or, you want talk about little Kahun. Sorry, that’s another Bowman classic.”

    No one mentioned Kahun. You are desperately grasping at straws because you’re once again being so thoroughly thrashed.

    “91 19 88
    20 15 12”

    What are these numbers, the six individual results of your IQ tests? Congrats on that 91, that’s right below being able to comprehend what you read level.

    Game, set, match. You lose. Aren’t you tired of being taken to the woodshed?

    Oh, how is Tallon’s team in Florida doing? Is he still close with your buddy Rick Dudley? How many Stanley Cups has Tallon won in Florida since he has been down there? Simple questions, why do you refuse to answer them?

  9. Prospects: Chl
    Kurashev 1g
    Beaudin 1a Q league Dman of month
    Hagel 1a after 2nd

    Ncaa
    Olofsson 2a
    Mitchell after 2nd

    Ushl
    Slavin 2g
    Hakkarainen 1g 1a

    Europe
    Kubalik Gwg 2a

    Icehogs
    Fortin 2g
    Jokiharju 1g
    Ejdsell 1g
    Nilsson 1a
    Carlson 1a

  10. And Travis, his off seasons have been bad ever since he over reacted and fired Kitchen traded the Hammer and Panarin, then signed duds like Bouma, Franson, Osterle, Rutta, Manning, Kunitz, Davidson, Martinson, Ward (at that crazy price), etc..
    Now, if JC stacks a second line with 20 15 12 maybe 15 becomes noticeable for the Jets and the Hawks can find a trading partner. Jets have some prospects.

  11. @ Hull65

    “And Travis, his off seasons have been bad ever since he over reacted and fired Kitchen traded the Hammer and Panarin, then signed duds like Bouma, Franson, Osterle, Rutta, Manning, Kunitz, Davidson, Martinson, Ward (at that crazy price), etc..
    Now, if JC stacks a second line with 20 15 12 maybe 15 becomes noticeable for the Jets and the Hawks can find a trading partner. Jets have some prospects.”

    And just to think, he’s apparently so stupid and yet his teams won three Stanley Cups.

    And how is Dale Tallon’s team down in Florida doing the last several years?

    Simple question Hull65, why do you ignore it?

  12. Good game to watch, Kane unmeasureable what he brings amazing.
    Tab noticed Dahlstrom blocking a couple shots early on. Thats what he needs to do more, doesn’t play physical needs to show up there more consistently. Cagguila with 3 hits to boot only one with mors than 1 hit on the team.

    Hull and Row meet out in the parking lit and settle things.

  13. Beaudin Q League Defenseman of the Month.

    Interesting news.

    Go figure … Hull65 says the Blackhawks should have drafted someone else.

  14. No problems with Saad in fact, I mentioned he was the last left winger and only left winger Bowman has drafted. Then, traded him (23 years old, 2 cups) away because he did not want to pay him 5million a year. Instead, he trades him for AA who is older, a lifetime 3rd line centre who is overpaid and has a no trade clause. Chill my friend. I am happy the Hawks win because it means #88 is putting up points and fun to watch. I have time to get up and help my daughter with homework and then get back to the game as #88 jumps back on the ice. Lots of fun my friend. Once again, you cannot answer simple questions that even Travis spoke comments on, about your GM’s performance. Repeating them is getting boring Row. Love Tallon. Everyone does. He took that team pretty far in the playoffs one year. He hired Gallant as a coach!!! Good eye! Then, when owner put aside Tallon like the Bowmans, and hired his buddy “Rowe”, well he destroyed the team.
    Oh yeah, when Stan fired Coach Q, his statement was that they were a playoff team? Wow, another person in denial. I think we all want #88 to win the scoring championship, but win or lose, we also want the Hawks to get a top 3 pick.
    Watch Panarin and Bob sign for Florida. That would be funny too. Like
    91 19 88
    20 15 12

  15. Row, Beaudin? Answer why we did not draft 2 wingers out of those 4 picks? Don’t care if its Mitchie, Beaudi, Joki, or Boqi. Hawks had two 1st round picks and they drafted 2 undersized dman when we needed a serious upgrade on the wings. That is all everyone is saying. Oh wait, Veleno made Team Canada but Beaudin was cut and beat out by a second round pick dman? Beaudin is a good player I am sure but GM lost a chance to draft a winger in the first round. Very simple to understand Row.
    Go Kane!!!

  16. Hull the offseason you’re mentioning was 1.5 years ago.

    When you list only bad signings, it’s cherry picking to support a narrative. You can list bad signings for any GM to make them look bad. It’s not a convincing argument. Im not saying Bowman is Jesus in a suit but he has made some great moves lately.

    Disagree with Ward’s inclusion on your list. I liked the signing at the time because of Crow’s health. Now doubly so. 3M is fair. Also Kahun doesn’t fit your narrative like you think he does.

    Silent… with all due respect to Q I also agree with the change. The more I see the PP the stronger that sentiment gets.

  17. Forsling is terrible, he’s got to go. Playing him will not increase his trade value if that’s Bowman’s plan. Admit that he hasn’t got it, and move on. Kempny was traded and is flourishing elsewhere, and that was completely on Q, arguably his biggest evaluation mistake as the Hawks’ coach. Forsling is all on Bowman. He isn’t the player Bowman thought he was, so what? There’s no harm in that. Trade him, move on; they received him for Clendenning if memory is correct. If Forsling flourishes elsewhere (highly doubtful, he is softer than Charmin), so be it.

    In addition, playing Forsling w/ Gustafsson is idiotic.

    Kane, Toews — amazing play. Good for them. And count me in the faction that says do not trade Keith or Seabrook. Good evening.

  18. As I’ve said before – if the Hawks are going to win a game and push us 2 points farther from the league’s lowest point total – at least make it a fun game to watch. Tonight was a fun game to watch. Kane is on an amazing streak and almost single handed pulling this team up the standings. It probably won’t last but it sure is fun to watch while it’s happening.

    I think Caggiula is playing well with Toews and Kane – hopefully JC keeps him there for a while. I thought Hayden looked pretty good tonight too.

    Ten days off and now back to back games – that whacky NHL scheduler.

  19. Why do you draft 4 defesenmen and no FW with 4 1st in 2 drafts (I know a 2nd was in there). You need defesemen more. Besides best available, we fucking needed mor defensemen then FW. I would even draft 6 D and 2 FW when having 8 1sts in 4 drafts. They all do not make, can, % not all. So why take a chance in getting 4 D and 4 FW, when none might make it as top 2/4 players. With 6 of 8 picks being defensemen the prob is more are top 2/4 players.

    If we end up with too many D and not many/any FW, so be it. We can trade for an established FW with one of them and not hope for a Bolland wanna-a-B.

  20. I do like the banter between Hull and Row. My simple question is which and how many GMs have won 3 Cups in 6 years, 7 years 8 years…… Not your draftees but your TEAM that you think works well together? Talking about modern day. After Islanders Oilers years. Probably just Pitt I believe.

    Go Hawks and here we come.

  21. 2016 Travis, we lost to St-Louis. Any prospects since then? Comment on the Danault trade for Weise and Fleishmann?
    Any goalie prospects drafted since 2015 cup winning team? Any dman? A winger? Center Schmaltz was a very nice pick. Well done by Bowman. 52 points last year and great offensive upside with his speed, size and vision. Trading him for Strome was a mistake. Perlini will be gone and Strome is a 3rd line centre at best but slower than AA if you can imagine that.
    If Ward was paid 1.5 million, sure, why not but $3m, come out let’s be serious. He was a back up to Darling in Carolina who is a flop and out of hockey next year.
    There is a reason we are 30th, which I hope we stay to get a high draft. And that reason is solely on one person and his pro/amateur scouts.
    Nothing wrong with admitting the problem. Because if he was so brilliant, we would not be 30th in the league.
    Look at the Rockford roster? Pretty obvious where the problem lies. Now maybe, 4th rounder Kurasdhev will be a steel in the 4th round which is cool. But you cannot strike out in the first 3 rounds and you should look at what you lost. We had Keith, Seabs and Hammer for 10 seasons, Bowman did not draft one dman to be a 4th? Nick Leddy was not his draft pick but a good trade, Pokka was an awful return.
    But when you lose Teuvo, Danault, Bickell, Bolland, Frolic, Shaw, Buff, Ladd, Sharp, Hossa, Saad, Panarin, Brouwer, now Schmaltz, I think you should look at needs up front as well. We need a centre and a winger in 2019 draft.
    We have some assets on defence and I think Joki or Mitchell can be included in a trade as well to get a great prospect up front. We have one superstar, one top line player and that’s number 88. Nobody else! I would be surprised to see Panarin return to the team that traded him, very surprised.

  22. You need to find balance when you draft. To ignore the amount of forwards we have lost is dumb. Sorry. We had 3 all star dmen for 10 years, we had to get Campbell and Oduya back!!! We lost TVR! All Bowman had to do is draft one to be a top 4. There is less roster space to fill on the back end. But up front, if you lose stars like Hossa, Panarin and Sharp just to name a few (Teuvo, Saad, Danault, etc…), Who did they loser on defence the last 3 seasons? Timmonen? Oduya? TVR? John Scott? Hammer last season.
    I think we need to add impactful depth at the forward position. And you can’t miss too often even though there is always only a 50-50 chance a player makes the NHL. I would have fired Kelley before Coach Q’s best friend Mike Kitchen.

  23. Did you really lose those guys or did you really couldn’t afford them all together at that time? Bickell Bolland Shaw Buff Schmaltz Hossa all injuries that happens and we’re lucky to save $$. Ladd Brouwer not playing up to Stanley Cup playing days. Teuvo really not Blackhawk cloth. Danault good player but you only hear his name in Montreal. Saad you got rid of and the guy you rid of him for you might have back.

  24. How would this season be different if Ward was signed for $1.5M instead of $3M? I’m having difficulty coming up with a reason why Ward signing for $3M is a problem. Especially after watching every game he’s played this season and knowing I wouldn’t need all the fingers on one hand to count the games he’s played below the level of a goalie getting paid $3M. But then, I don’t pretend to have all the answers so maybe I’m wrong about that.

    Course, the signing of Ward is just one of numerous faux pas’ committed by Stan, or so I’m supposed to believe after sufficient repetition of messaging – tell it enough and people start to believe it, or something like that.

    I wonder if one can find joy amidst so much anger and frustration. For me, I enjoy watching and following the Hawks. Anger and frustration can’t outpace the joy I get from being a Hawks fan. If it ever gets so bad that the anger and frustration is more than the joy, I step away. Sometimes for long periods of time. They’re always my favorite team and I’ll love them through thick and thin – but I won’t hang around and be miserable.

  25. The more I think about it the more I’m leaning toward hoping Keith gets traded to a rock solid cup contender for a hefty package in return. A good chunk of contenders are already up against the cap and will have players to resign in the offseason.

    This creates the however unlikely scenerio of needing to move cap space. It would be ideal at that time Keith return to the Blackhawks as again Keith controls his destinations with his contract. Since the team with Keith is now somewhat handcuffed as to what salary to move and in Keith’s situation where; therefore the Blackhawks could see Kieth return for a fraction of what was received; also don’t forget those killer conditional draft picks for advancing round by round in the playoffs.

    Is anyone against this?

    at this time I would like to point out the Winnipeg Jets are ideal for this scenario. The only downside is you have to wonder if they would choose to keep Keith instead of resigning Tyler Myers.

    As many articles have stated it actually appears to be a buyers market, not a sellers. However former playoff MVPs don’t come around often.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if this is all just rumor and Keith hasn’t been approached about waiving his no trade clause. Though how odd is it the same time these rumors surface Duncan scores a goal reminiscent of his STANLEY CUP WINNING GOAL. If Keith goes I would like to see him come right back to the Blackhawks. I said earlier in the year it would be one of the players who goes to management asking for a trade and I cited Keith specifically as the likely player to do it. No basis for this just what I think.

  26. Ian- I loved Ka-Jewela – when I was watching Schmaltz at N. Dakota… trying to see what Hawks had… I always saw Schmaltz with High end skill… but that Cagg was a buzz-saw, with speed and intensity… way faster skater and IQ than Most of the NCAA… was begging for SB to sign him…

    I love what he adds to any top 3 line… is he truly top Line finisher/goal scorer? NO!
    Does not really possess a good shot… But his intensity/speed/anticipation are all really high end.

    Love Hayden doing his best impression of One Man Cycle- Ben Smith… Hayden will be an asset – someday… some where…

    Long term– if Hawks are able to land real top LW via draft or UFA…
    Cagg/Kampf/Saad – would be a great 3rd line on a Legit Cup/type of team

  27. @ Hull 65

    Saturday morning. Time to take your first thrashing of the day. I will try to combine your idiotic clueless posts for the benefit of others here.

    Your clueless quotes followed by my responses. This, by the way, is called answering questions which you continually accuse me of not doing. More on that in a minute.

    “No problems with Saad in fact, I mentioned he was the last left winger and only left winger Bowman has drafted. Then, traded him (23 years old, 2 cups) away because he did not want to pay him 5million a year. Instead, he trades him for AA who is older, a lifetime 3rd line centre who is overpaid and has a no trade clause. Chill my friend. I am happy the Hawks win because it means #88 is putting up points and fun to watch. I have time to get up and help my daughter with homework and then get back to the game as #88 jumps back on the ice. Lots of fun my friend.”

    No, you said the only players who did anything last night were players Tallon drafted. I pointed out Saad. Do you not remember what you wrote? (simple question for you to answer). Do you not comprehend what you wrote? (simple question for you to answer). I pointed out you were wrong … AGAIN. And of course here you are AGAIN moving the goalposts.

    Further, I am not your “friend”. I would rather eat a turd sandwich.

    ” Once again, you cannot answer simple questions that even Travis spoke comments on, about your GM’s performance. Repeating them is getting boring Row.”

    Can you read? (simple question). I have been answering your questions. As for simple questions, why do you never answer questions? (simple question). As in, how is that letter to Rocky Wirtz coming along? If you’re not writing it, why? Are you afraid of someting? Have you checked on that Welcome Back Kotter thing? (simple question). You need to stop saying other people won’t answer simple questions when it is you who do not answer simple questions.

    “Love Tallon. Everyone does. He took that team pretty far in the playoffs one year. He hired Gallant as a coach!!! Good eye! Then, when owner put aside Tallon like the Bowmans, and hired his buddy “Rowe”, well he destroyed the team.”

    Bwaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaa haaaaaa haaaaaa haaaaa! The question was, how has Tallon’s Florida team done the last several years? (simple question, answer it.) Have they won any Stanley Cups? (simple question, answer it). How about those brilliant Tallon trades that netted Las Vegas a key player or two? (simple question, answer it).

    “Oh yeah, when Stan fired Coach Q, his statement was that they were a playoff team? Wow, another person in denial.”

    How is Tallon’s Florida team doing? (Simple question, answer it). You might say well the season is not over yet. Does that not apply to the Chicago Blackhawks? (simple question, answer it).

    “I think we all want #88 to win the scoring championship, but win or lose, we also want the Hawks to get a top 3 pick.”

    Sure both those things would be nice. But this is not a fantasy world, like your sign Jeff Schmaltz this summer. By the way, who drafted your buddy Schmaltz? (simple question, answer it). Who DRAFTED Jeff Schmaltz?

    “Watch Panarin and Bob sign for Florida. That would be funny too. Like
    91 19 88
    20 15 12”

    Yeah then maybe Florida will make the playoffs and actually DO something in the playoffs. Have they won anything since Tallon has been down there? (simple question, answer it). Thanks again for posting your IQ test results, and congrats on that 91. It is just under “can comprehend what I read” level.

    Game, set. match. You lose again, first thing on a Saturday morning.

    By the way, what homework could you POSSIBLY help your daughter with? (simple question, answer it). Is she taking a class in Clueless?

  28. Re: Ward’s salary. The NHL is a union. Often times contracts are based on what you’ve accomplished and how long you’ve been in the league.

    He is not a great or even a very good goaltender and maybe never was. But he does fill a role. That deal in no way hurts the Blackhawks for one year, except maybe in Hull65’s mind because it’s somehow connected to Bowman.

  29. @ Hull65:

    Thrashing Part Two. For the benefit of others here, I will only pick out a select few of your clueless statements in your rambling rants.

    1. ” … even though there is always only a 50-50 chance a player makes the NHL”

    Context – here Hull65 is talking about the draft. LOL. The odds are significantly less than 50/50. Math is obviously not your strong suit, I hope your daughter goes elsewhere for her help in that subject. Are you able to look anything up and comprehend it? (simple question, answer it).

    2. “I would have fired Kelley before Coach Q’s best friend Mike Kitchen.”

    I’m sure you would have. That is one of many reasons why Bowman’s name is on the Stanley Cup and you are posting rants on message boards. By the way, how is that letter to Rocky Wirtz coming along? (simple question, answer it). How have Tallon’s team down in Florida done, have they won any Stanley Cups since he took the reigns? (simple question, answer it).

    3. “There is a reason we are 30th, which I hope we stay to get a high draft. And that reason is solely on one person and his pro/amateur scouts.
    Nothing wrong with admitting the problem. Because if he was so brilliant, we would not be 30th in the league.”

    You might want to check the standings. Math is obviously not your strong suit. Can you read, and if you can, are you able to comprehend what you read? (simple question, answer it).

    4. “We have some assets on defence and I think Joki or Mitchell can be included in a trade as well to get a great prospect up front. We have one superstar, one top line player and that’s number 88. Nobody else!”

    We have assets on defense … but trade them. LOL you are really WAY OUT THERE.

    As for top line players. Are you familiar with Toews? (simple question, answer it).

    5. “Row, Beaudin? Answer why we did not draft 2 wingers out of those 4 picks? Don’t care if its Mitchie, Beaudi, Joki, or Boqi. Hawks had two 1st round picks and they drafted 2 undersized dman when we needed a serious upgrade on the wings. That is all everyone is saying. Oh wait, Veleno made Team Canada but Beaudin was cut and beat out by a second round pick dman? Beaudin is a good player I am sure but GM lost a chance to draft a winger in the first round. Very simple to understand Row.”

    How many times does it have to be explained to you? (simple question, answer it). How did Team Canada do at the tournament? (simple question, answer it). Maybe if they had you on the selection committee, they would have done better.

    You DO know the selection process for those tournaments is very political, right? (simple question, answer it). Further, whether a player makes the team or gets cut has ZERO validation on their draft slot, right? (simple question, answer it). Seeing as none of them have played ONE NHL GAME YET. Do you not get it?

    You have A LOT of questions to answer Hull65. You may want to hurry up with that homework and again I hope it’s not math.

    Lastly, answer the questions as posed. Not in your usual “move the goalposts” manner.

    One last question for you to answer: How is that letter to Rocky Wirtz coming along, are you afraid to write to the person who could affect your ludicrous suggestions for fear of being laughed out of the room again, just as you are here? (simple question, answer it).

    Thrashing complete. Again. You lose. Again.

  30. I hope KK gets a look tonight over Forsling – he’s got all the physical tools it seems (that’s why I suppose he was a 10th overall draft pick) but I’d like to see how he thinks the game over a longer stretch of games – my guess is he’s an upgrade over Forsling but he needs to play to make an evaluation

    Perhaps Colliton is going to rotate him and Forsling in the starting line up

  31. Hull 65-Bringing up the Beaudin-Veleno comparision with regard to the WJC doesn’t make sense (as has been mentioned already)-
    Beaudin was in a close battle but I think his injury in the fall played a part and one of the puck heads at TSN (the station that runs the coverage for WJC in Canada) said in retrospect the team needed a better puck mover/offensive threat and mentioned that perhaps it was a bad mistake leaving Beaudin off the roster.

    One good thing about the Row-Hull back and forth (as I’m sure it will grow tiring) is that Hull you have had to go off script a bit.

  32. @ Noonan

    Good points about Beaudin and yes it is clear Canada’s roster construction could have been better, especially as borne out by results.

    Hull65 doesn’t want to hear it though. From his perspective, a player is invalidated and it was a mistake by the GM to draft him when he doesn’t make the WJC roster. Or his spot goes to a player drafted lower.

    As you said … it doesn’t make sense.

    Good luck convincing Hull65 though.

    Ever notice how he won’t answer simple questions, he simply moves the goalposts, asks another question of his own, and accuses others of not answering questions?

  33. Don’t understand the being down on Forsling. He was on the ice when 2 goals scored, but after taking Eichel into the boards on goal and making a nice play to break up a 2 on 1 on the other. He recieved zero support from his D partner or forwards on either goal after making those plays, cherry picking at its best to blame them on him. He made nice pkay keeping the puck in and finding Cagguila in the slot on his goal. He makes mistakes yes but last night his partner was credited with giveaways to his none.

    Still have reservations on the man to man defence system. I know the do your job arguments about working hard at it. Thing is you end up not playing to the strength of your personal. You end up with players who aren’t strong on board battles being pushed to do more than their skill sets allow. Forwards in the slot trying to tie up shooters, doing what defencemen should be doing while the D are chasing their men all over the place. Just have a hard time seeing where it can work long term.

  34. By the way, I have answered Hull65’s question about the draft many times, he simply refuses to read and comprehend.

    The question, generally, is this: why did the Blackhawks take two defensemen with their top two picks two years in a row 2017 and 2018?

    Here is the answer … again.

    1. Teams (in the top two rounds specifically) draft based on their lists of best player available. They do NOT draft for immediate roster need. The possible exception is the very top of the draft (McDavid, maybe this Hughes kid).

    2. Top defensemen are the draft’s highest commodity. Good defensemen can always be moved to meet other needs. Currently (Feb. 2019) the Blackhawks have a pretty good prospect depth chart on defense. Henri J., Boqvist, Mitchell, Beaudin are all highly regarded. There are more too.

    3. As you progress in the draft (mid later rounds) you can fill out your depth chart. 31 NHL teams do this.

    4. The draft is not an “immediate need” proposition. Players need time to develop, just like kids as one poster put it very well. 3-4 years sometimes, although that timetable has been sped up a bit these last few years, the league has gotten younger.

    The trick is always to acquire more draft picks. It is not easy, all 31 teams want draft picks. I do think the Blackhawks can do better in this regard.

    Finally, I am also a proponent of acquiring under utilized assets on the cheap and try to develop them. Examples: Slater KK, this Czech winger they just acquired from LA, Further, finding assets for nothing like Delia, a goaltender by the way.

    It is difficult to be any clearer. Although I am sure Hull65 will move the goalposts and ask why I am not answering simple questions.

  35. The argument that using the top draft positions the last 2 years exclusively for d-men was a bad decision because they needed to replace all the forwards they lost over the past few years should consider that the top selections from the previous years were all forwards.

    2010. Kevin Hayes (#24)
    2011. Mark McNeill (#18)
    2012. Teuvo Teravainen (#18)
    2013. Ryan Hartman (#30)
    2014. Nick Schmaltz (#20)
    2015. Graham Knott (#54)
    2016. Alex DeBrincat (#39)

  36. Kubalik–

    I think he will be better than both Kahun and Kampf… Offense/scoring wise…

    Kampf/Kahun–I happen to like very much as 3rd line ++ skaters/IQ players…
    they are both winners in my eyes

    SB- Landing Kubalik- for pretty low cost… nice move…

    Hawks – will have Tons of “Depth” options… really soon

    If they can add a Panarin or Top 3 Pick… or Both!!! Gonna be really good… and need to be- before 88/19 get too old

  37. Roman, PIT is like NWJ. They did win 3, NWJ was better team, but they were spread out over many yrs 9 or 10 or so. The Blackhawks have a dynasty 3 in 6 yrs, in a group of yr together. Which is much much harder to do. Lets not even talk about how much harder teams we beat to win.

    dynasty team
    DET – CHI

    2ns best team during dynasty/went head to head w/dynasty team and won couple
    COL – LA

    good teams that happened to win more then once
    NWJ – PIT

  38. Thank god we have #88!!!

    I am so friggin’ happy that our players are FINALLY getting an edge when opponents cheap shot our own players! There is nothing wrong with a little face wash or a little cross check to let everyone know that this team is into the game!!

    Anyone remember about 6 years ago when Kaner was “accused” of attempted rape? Thank god we had a management team that listened to his side of the story, did NOT over react to the situation, and allowed the judicial system to get everything right. Then Kaner went out and proved how valuable he was, and still is, by just getting better! Remember that horrible August when that news broke?

    I am sure glad he is on the Hawks!!

    Overall, not a bad game. Just hang around #88 and something good is gonna come your way! I can’t wait for the trade deadline and see how much young talent we can acquire.

    Let’s keep rolling at Minny tonite!

  39. Wall agree on Kubalik, been watching some clips and seems to have natural offensive instincts, if he can adapt over here and play responsible defence definitely could be a plus.

    Saad with 17 goals going to get 25+, if going into season you said that everybody be quite happy. Using points to justify a lack of production is ridiculous, even Kane would have a hard time racking up assists playing with Kampf and Kruger.

  40. Wall, thats the plan. Add a elite FW to replace 81 spot with that kind of quality. Add a top 3 % pick to get rewarded for bad record. Still need that Defensemen at some point in these 2 yrs coming.

  41. Morrison,
    Hossa 81 is an elite player, a generational player, who by the way was 6’4 on top of all else and played like he was 7’0. He was once a 100 point player who went on to be a stellar at defense yet when he did score it seemed to be clutch goals. He also played a physical game from time to time. When Shaw and (hayes?) came up Hossa was on their line as shaw and (hayes?) were rookies. Hossa would literally just give either one of them the puck and when either of them lost it Hossa would just go steal it back and give the puck right back to the rookies. Both rookies after a short period of time were getting articles in the paper how the future was so bright. This went on for a while in a December years ago; both rookies were packing on the points goals and assists. Then Shaw was quoted in the paper talking about “[it’s about time he had a chance]” and you know how Shaw is I assume. Anyway, maybe it was a coincidence or maybe Q and the coaching staff caught wind of that interview. Hossa was off their line either the next game or shortly thereafter; point production for both rookies went stagnant.

    I don’t feel like looking up the box scores but I believe it was the 2013 playoffs Hossa scored the first goal of the first three playoff series, 1st rnd, 2nd rnd, 3rd round first goal of the series for the Blackhawks. Then in the Stanley Cup finals he assisted on the first goal for the Blackhawks.

    2015 playoffs Hossa primary assist on game 1 double overtime game winner (scored by Duncan Keith btw). 2nd round Primary assist on first goal of series, 3rd round Series winning goal. And I’m just glancing at box scores.

    I also recall defenseman getting hurt in games and Hossa being switched to Defense; I recall Foley saying maybe Hossa should play Defense because he played so well (another something the Blackhawks should have tried; Campbell on left wing for Hossa and Toews-but no just keep trying everyone else who doesn’t work-whatever too late now). Anyway as I recall at least one game when Hossa was switched to defense he either assisted or scored on the game tying and game winning goals…..while playing defense.

    Point being here; there is no replacing Hossa. Unless you see the Blackhawks trading for Crosby.

  42. Back to back on the road against two bubble teams really needing the points. This is a great situation for a team like us with nothing to lose. Play loose, have fun, stick it to them. If we win tonight it will be one of the high points of the season.

    Caggiula finally getting rewarded last night – good for him. Sorry, what was it again that was so bad about this guy that Edmonton coughed him up to unburden us of Manning? I mean they all had to do was wait for Manning to go on waivers. Given Caggiula is never going to be Taylor Hall that might not be the worst trade ever, but it is pretty bad. Like giving your paycheck to someone and then getting them to punch you in the face.

  43. Can’t we have more bantering posts from Hull- Row, adding value to overall team dialogue? ( Simple question- just answer it?)

  44. Keith again in a headline at TSN….in the same “article” they mention the Ducks trading Kesler……who as I recall previously stated he is not going to waive his no trade clause(at least at the time he that ….maybe a month ago). In other words anything about Duncan (which this rumor started on TSN) is likely wishful thinking from a Canadian Hockey writer dreaming of Keith coming home to Canada to win a cup. Just my two cents.

  45. Sure. I mean a elite FW like Hoss. not as good a Hoss. Just a legit top 6 FW like Bread Man or Stone or similar. To me Stone is the closest thing to Hoss for ufas. Not sure what ufas are coming/potential for summers after this one. I wouldnt want Cindy on the Blackhawks ever. hes a puss and a diver. Rather have guys like Mathews Marner Laine similar.

    I just mean we need a elite FW/a legit top 6 FW thats good like Bread Man or Stone.

    Want to fill those two vacant spots from 81 and 4 with similar players, do not have to be as good as those two were is what I mean.

  46. Recliner, although we won’t know for sure about a trade until it happens, it could be nothing more than the organization having dialogue with the veteran leaders on the team. Which is the sign of a good organization and doibg what should happen.
    As for Hossa agree if a number of players can combine to help fill that void, then that is probably the best case scenario.
    Hope Dahlstrom concentrates on his shot blocking and fills part of Hammers void in that area, certainly make him a fixture in lineup for sure if he does.

  47. I really wonder if Stan is going to make a big splash in free agency for a top forward. I read that Skinner is looking for 8 years in the 9-9.5 million range to resign with Buffalo. That seems excessive considering his career high in points is 63 and he has never been a ppg scorer. Panarin looking at the 10-11 million per year range as well, not sure on the years. Does anyone here really expect Stan to dish out this kind of money for either of these two? I don’t.

    Here are the top 10 scoring free agent forwards available this year:
    NAME G-A-P AGE Current Cap Hit
    A. Panarin 20-37-57 27 6.0 mil
    M. Stone 22-29-51 27 7.35 mil
    M. Duchene 21-27-48 28 6.0 mil
    J. Skinner 31-16-47 27 5.725 mil
    J. Pavelski 27-18-45 30 6.0 mil
    G. Nyquist 12-33-45 30 4.75 mil
    R. Dzingel 20-19-39 27 1.8 mil
    A. Lee 18-19-37 29 3.75 mil
    E. Staal 17-20-37 34 3.5 mil
    K. Hayes 10-25-35 27 5.175 mil

    Who on this list would be considered an elite forward? Panarin, Stone, Skinner, Duchene, after that, it’s pretty good but maybe not elite? Not interested in looking at a guy over 28…

    Panarin is reportedly looking for 10 million per. Skinner is talking 9 mil per. Stone signed a one year 7.35 deal last year and is scoring at a PPG pace this year on an awful Ottowa team. I expect he thinks he deserves a raise. Duchene is also scoring at a better than ppg pace this year so I imagine he sees himself looking for a raise as well. I don’t think the Hawks will sign anyone like this to a high cap hit deal unless they can move Anisimov and maybe Keith. The Hawks have too many high cap him guys underperformaing to be able to take on another big contract.

    That said, might they settle on picking up a good but not elite forward to fill out the middle six? I could see them picking up someone like Dzingel (who is having a nice year) in the 3.5-4 mil cap hit range, (which would be a nice bump from what he is making now) to play a middle 6 role, (maybe using much of Krugers cap hit when it is off the books next year….) But who knows, he is probably looking to get 5 or 6 mil…

    I can’t figure out the economics of free agency anymore, the contracts never seem to bring back value in production. And the Hawks already have enough players underperforming their contracts right now.

    Honestly, until the Hawks fix the blue line, I don’t see how overpaying for a forward is going to make much of a difference.

  48. Your right, Hoss is a dynasty generational player, like 19 and 88. no one else in this league is since the 80s and that guy from red wings.

  49. Jordy, beating NAS on 12/18, PIT the fist time after we lost 8, PIT 1/7, WAS 1/20 are among the high points in season. 6-2-2 start. The 6-2-1 to start the 2nd 40 games.

    Yea the individual games though, those are some right there.

  50. I wouldnt go past Pavelski in terms of elite. I have always liked him and Douchknee are centers. Bread Man is that good. Skinners good to. Stone is the closest thing to a Hoss there is, right.

    If not Bread Man, I would take one of those center. Stone would be sweet. What maters is theres enough of them we can get one. Who cares about caphit, if under 10m. Not sure Bread Man get more then 9m. No matter what each guy gets, I would say anywhere from 7-10m is worth it. Its what it caphit costs to have elite players these yrs. So be it.

    We created the space with 5m before 81 trade, thats another 5m. Theres 10m right there. To be used for an elite player, not to save for 5 players elc raises. Get that 81 and 4 back.

  51. Honestly, until the Hawks fix the blue line, I don’t see how overpaying for a forward is going to make much of a difference.

    Thats why I want to get it now, so when the young defensemen are ready, were set.

  52. We could wait for 2 yrs to get elite FW, so their still 28 then not 30. Who is available then and how many of them are there. I have no idea if this summer or two summers from now, there ll be as many to choose from and how many teams will be going for them. That would make the decision for me.

    I would also get that dzingal person. We can add two. We have 20/21m trading 15 contract and 50 on ltir – player bonuses. Its enough. Some of those guys who arnt producing and have caphits might not be here in 2 yrs. Do not know.

  53. Getting Cagg was a steal. For all of the criticism of Bowman, give him credit where due. I hope Koekkoek is given a fair tryout. He looks good and gives us badly needed heft. Also, am liking Collitan’s coaching more each week. Give him a fair chance to sort out a team in flux.

    Responding to ER’s listing of Bowman’s top picks, in the past I posted that 2010 and 2011 were his worst years. Trading their 2nd round pick to move up to nab Hayes and then letting him walk. McNeill a complete bust. Add to this no 1st round picks in 2015/16 (trading for rentals, which worked out with Vermette), no one should be surprised about our high-end talent pool taking a hit. With all of this talk about not taking Veleno, he was passed over by the next two teams after the Blackhawks. I like the Beaudin pick and expect him to become a top 4 in 2-3 years.

    Like many of you, I would love the Blackhawks to land a top 3 pick. But the way they are playing and winning against much better teams, it looks more like they will be picking around the same spot as last year. The future will look that much brighter if Bowman can get back good value for Kruger, Gus, and AA, etc. at the TDL.

  54. The Hawks probably aren’t going to out-bid other teams for the top free agents – and probably shouldn’t sign another $10M player because having 3 players take up 37% of the cap space is not a recipe for long term success. So if the Hawks are to sign one of the free agents on that list they would have to be the middle tier like Dzingel, Nyquist, or Lee. And then, that player would want to sign with the Hawks and the Hawks are not going to be one of the teams that is a Cup contender in 2019/20. Dzingel has the hometown boy factor so maybe that works but Nyquist and Lee would probably rather sign with a team closer to winning the Cup – unless the Hawks overpaid and that’s what we hope Stan doesn’t do.

    So I’m hoping we can sign Dzingel. He can play middle-6 wing or center and his career trajectory is still going up.

  55. Maybe Joki gets to quarterback the PP in Rockford so when Gus is traded he takes over on PP1 – just a thought

  56. I would be good with two 5m players that can score 25 ish goals then one 8-10m player thats ppg and score 30-35 goals. Not ok with not getting that elite FW for 7-10m caphit and not getting two/or any 3-6m players that are really good.

  57. If were going to draft defesnemen like that, and its best to so that. Then we better add some NHL established top 6 FW and a excellent 3rd line FW, like ths ones your talking about.

    We cant do a complete reload with only the draft and no ufas. The bulk not all.

  58. Brock Nelson be a good add too, bull in the corners good for 20g and come with reasonable caphit. Read where Isles said of their 3 ufas Lee was their priority to resign so Nelson and Eberle could be there too.

  59. Here’s the thing about possibly trading Duncan Keith. He will be 36 this summer. So one year from now, if the Hawks are still scuffling around the lower part of the Conference, teams likely are not going to offer much to get him.
    At 35, you likely have GMs, and perhaps just a few, who believe he has this playoff run + 3 solid years left in him.
    If the return is “ the Muzzin “ package, I would not do it. Two B-level prospects + a late first rounder. Because keep in mind you will have to watch Keith play for that team for a few more years, while we wait for these prospects to develop. And if he succeeds elsewhere, that’s a bitter pill to swallow.
    The silver lining in this dilemma is what Lazarus had to say about Jokihariju. That he texts him and sits with on the plane talking hockey. This is Huge in my book. If he takes Joki under his wing over the next few years, what a great asset Keith is to the organization: past, present and future.

  60. I don’t have a feel at all for how Bowman will handle any of the trades or the free agency.

    Why? ……. I’m not totally sure he is the one making the decisions.
    To clarify earlier posts about Stan firing Q ….. Rocky Wirtz himself stated explicitly that the plan to get rid of Q was put together and brought to him by John McDonough and Jay Blunk. And he further stated that he was glad that those two brought the plan to him first, and that he didn’t have to go to those two himself. Not ONE mention of Bowman in any of the talk about letting Q go. Or in having a say in bringing Colliton in.

    I think the whole process is by committee, and I’m not so sure that Stan’s biggest role is mouthpiece.
    As for predictions about the team being a playoff contender …. that’s McDonough at the press conference shouting it loud and clear. Stan may have said it later, but again, I don’t think Stan runs much of the show.

    The Blackhawks process has worked in years past, don’t get me wrong. But to be redundant I don’t think Stan is the brains behind this team. It’s a committee decision as far as I can see, and I don’t know how much Stan has to say about it.

  61. I would be pleased to get a Muzzin-like package for Keith, even if the 1st is a late 1st round pick. Selling a guy that contract term into his 39th year and that contract has a $5.5M cap hit is a hard sell. It could be argued he’s a border line $5.5M player now and it won’t get better over the next 4 seasons. Can he play solid middle pair now and help a team? Sure. But that 4 more years thing is tough. So, a late 1st – I’m in.

  62. “The Hawks probably aren’t going to out-bid other teams for the top free agents – and probably shouldn’t sign another $10M player because having 3 players take up 37% of the cap space is not a recipe for long term success”

    Bingo-well said
    Thus the dilemma-it is really someone like Panarin or Stone that can help-unless they can rid most of Seabrook or Keith’s salary and AA you can even entertain 30 million for 3 players.
    It’s already putting the grip on the Leafs and they haven’t signed the other two yet.
    (Oh yah and Nylander-thinking things thru is critical.)

  63. There is no way anybody other than Stan Bowman is calling the hockey moves.

    McDonough and Blunk do not know hockey, they are marketing guys.

    No way the marketing guys, whose job it is to get fans to fill seats, would come up with the firing of a fan favorite coach. They would be the guys arguing against it. Marketing guys do not think strategically about changing defensive schemes. They think of how much money they will lose on those Joel Queneville bobble heads they have in storage for the Coach Q Bobble Head Day they planned in March…

    Bowman made the call and the management team wanted to show a unified front to give Bowman cover for making an unpopular move. Period. As soon as ownership doesn’t want him making hockey decisions they will fire him and bring someone else who will.

  64. @ Big Indian, you commented this:

    “I’m not totally sure he (Bowman) is the one making the decisions.
    To clarify earlier posts about Stan firing Q ….. Rocky Wirtz himself stated explicitly that the plan to get rid of Q was put together and brought to him by John McDonough and Jay Blunk. And he further stated that he was glad that those two brought the plan to him first, and that he didn’t have to go to those two himself. Not ONE mention of Bowman in any of the talk about letting Q go. Or in having a say in bringing Colliton in.”

    Actually in talking to people close to the Rockford team who would know what’s going on in Chicago, Stan Bowman has more autonomy than one would think.

    How it was completely decided to move on from Q, I do not know but everyone was on board and agreed from what I was told. Including or maybe even especially Stan Bowman. It was Stan’s recommendation to offer the job to Colliton, no if’s ands or but’s about it. McDonough himself even said Colliton is Stan Bowman’s first coaching hire and he added every GM deserves to hire at least one coach.

    My distinct impression from hearing things from these people is McDonough is FAR from the micro manager he has been portrayed. Yes he is the president of the team and a very smart individual who knows the pro sports world but he is, again as I’m told, much more supportive of his GM than meddling into the affairs of his GM.

    He is astute enough to realize in pro sports some moves will work and some won’t. What he is most insistent about (again from what I’ve been told) is McD wants to make 100% sure all decisions (hockey and business or the two intertwined) are made on sound practices. Meaning … proper research and complete due diligence has occurred before decisions are implemented. That includes input from hockey staff, scouts as appropriate, he wants diverse opinions and encourages them. He wants and expects people to be passionate about their stances on issues and as a result sometimes things get a little steamy.

    Yes the buck stops with him (as with any president of a hockey team) but Stan Bowman (as I understand it) does NOT have to run every single decision by McD.

    Take it for what it’s worth, of course believe what you choose, just sharing info which may (or may not) be of interest.

  65. Nelson got more size. 20g.
    Eberle scores more, nit that much more, higher caphit.
    I like Nelson better.
    Stone and Nelson baby!

  66. Miroslav is right. One thing from a different perspective though. Both McD and Blunk have going on 12 years working as executives of a hockey team, so they are far from clueless about hockey. As an aside, that’s 12 years more than anyone who posts here.

    Totally agree that if/when they don’t want Stan Bowman and his staff making hockey decisions, they will fire him and bring on someone else. I do not see that happening imminently (like this spring/summer) but who knows.

  67. Got to agree with ER and Noonan’s posts today. There is no benefit in overpaying for a player that doesn’t get us over the hump, especially when the hump is years away. Again I ask – Who is your top pair defensively next year or the year after? My answer: No freaking idea, and it would only be total guesswork for me to say otherwise. Next question: If you were entering the prime years of your career as a scorer, would you want to go to a team that cannot put 2 Dmen on the ice that can stop the other team most shifts? My answer: Not without being drastically overpaid. Pick your favorite as the best goalie in the game now – Price or anyone else – and they would get worn thin standing in the crease with our current top pair in front of them. Fix the blueline, then fix the forwards. We may need to buy a top pair Dman if we can’t raise one, which we certainly don’t know if it will happen at this point (see all previous conversations about how long it takes to create Dmen in this league).

    We can’t attract quality UFAs until we show we are going to have some quality support around them. Cart/horse problem. Show the world you have a handle on the defense, and the goalie automatically looks better, and the offensive players start wanting to be here instead of needing to be overpaid to sacrifice a shot at the cup.

    Hopefully by the end of next season we have more clarity of how our future defensive lines will be shaking out: through internal growth, trades, free agency or some other means. We have a few pieces now, but they are entering the growing pains part of the cycle. Be patient. We need to build a nice cart in order to get some fine horses to want to pull it around, not a cart with broken or missing wheels and no floor.

    For those concerned about the man to man not looking great right now – I feel that man to man teaches work ethic and teamwork. It also creates pace in a game and turnovers. Going to a zone approach from man to man is far simpler than the other way and can be done with a lot less pain to the players and fans. Colliton has a plan. Maybe he is teaching pace and work ethic now and will revert to zone later. We also gain the advantage of struggling in the standings a little longer without actually playing to lose or having the “tank” mentality. Agree though that it can be tough to watch!

  68. Thanks Row A for your insight on Stan and his autonomy – I always felt the narrative that Scotty or McD or someone else was calling the shots was made up BS

    Having input from diverse sources is not the same as not making the GM decisions – I feel Stan makes the final decision as he should

    Also nice to see Perlini back and Kunitz out – that 4th line with the addition of Perlini’s speed might do some damage

  69. Without worrying about first two picks and know top 6 picks and a few after might be same/similar. We are in good shape no matter what happens.

    OTT-COL 8
    LA 6
    CHI 5
    DET 5
    NWJ 4
    gap
    PHI 0 went from -7 to E in 7 games

  70. Wall, I cant get game to. theres no channel its on because of fucking blackout crap/national tv ised regions. Only way is prob a free stream.

  71. ROW, get over it my friend, you are no match. Are you watching Strome skate tonight? Very easy, its in slow motion so you can follow as he never wins a battle in the corners for his size and after 15 seconds he is lagging behind heading for a change. You can get yourself a beer and he will still be crawling to the bench when you return. Tallon has done a good job “building” both the Hawks and the Panthers. I repeat building!!! He has not won a Cup but got them close in a market that does not care about hockey. Bowman has not built a team, he inherited one that won 3 cups and has flushed it down the toilet bowl with his trades, free agent signings, and poor drafting. Are so still looking to see who we got in return for all those masterpieces? Jeremy Morin, Pokka, Dano, Forsberg, Weise, Fleishmma, Jimmy Hayes, GarBUTT…?
    Leddy for ?
    Sharp for ?
    Panarin for?”
    Saad?
    Clendening for ?
    Danault for ?
    Buff for ?
    Teuvo for ?
    Daley for ?
    Scuderi?
    Hammer for?
    Hartmann for ?
    Ladd for ?
    Panik for?
    Bickell for?
    Frolic?
    Versteeg?
    Bolland?
    Lost Kevin Hayes..?
    Boring stuff from a GM who has his name on the cup, yes Row 3 times thx to Tallon! Get over it and try to answer what he did as a GM? What is a GM responsible for? Building a team, trades, free agent signings, drafting?
    So? Any answers Mr.Guru.
    He traded Panarin? That was great! Traded Saad (for AA), the only player with impact he drafted along with Teuvo that won a cup.
    My favourite moment is giving the Flyers a 2nd round pick for Timmonen who was 40 years old, had not played in year because of a blood clog, was done as a player 5 years prior to putting on Hawks uniform, yet Stan loved that move. Caused Coach Q tom play with 4 guys the entire playoffs! Love that one ROW?
    I answered questions now lay off the booze and answer or rate his performance? Imagine this team without Kane?
    Go Hawks!

  72. BTW Row, trading aplayer like Schmaltz a faster, better skater, a better stickhandler, better backchecker, played PP and PK, played center and wing, for a guy who could not crack the Arizona lineup in Strome and Perlini whom was rumoured to go on waivers??? Answer that question if you can sir.
    As you see the Cat has no impact on the game struck playing with his junior teammate.
    Why? No Schmaltz no Kane no can do!

  73. @ Hull65,

    You have been continually thrashed. Why do you not answer the questions, namely where is that letter to Rocky Wirtz? Are you afraid of something, like being laughed at? Not to worry. You are already being heartily laughed at every time you post.

    Strome vs. Schmaltz: You lose again! Another two point night for Strome although I see you are afraid to post in the Minnesota thread.

    Tallon has done a good job building the Panthers? LOLOLOLOLOLOL. You are truly delusional. I’ve asked this question several times: How many Stanley Cups have the Panthers won down there in Florida with Tallon in charge? Why do you never ask this question? You prefer to move the goalposts because that’s what you do.

    Game, set, match. You lose again.

    And by the way, I am not your “friend”. As I stated before, I would rather eat a turd sandwich.

  74. Had to respond to this gem from the continually clueless Hull65:

    “My favourite moment is giving the Flyers a 2nd round pick for Timmonen who was 40 years old, had not played in year because of a blood clog, was done as a player 5 years prior to putting on Hawks uniform, yet Stan loved that move. Caused Coach Q tom play with 4 guys the entire playoffs! Love that one ROW?
    I answered questions now lay off the booze and answer or rate his performance?”

    Let’s see. They WON THE STANLEY CUP. Which is how many times more than Tallon has won the Stanley Cup in how many years in Florida?

    Why do you not answer the question?

    By the way I do not drink, so you are wrong yet again.

    You lose.

    I see I am clearly under your skin, continually thrashing you on this board.

    Don’t you ever get tired of being thrashed and laughed at?

  75. Hey Hull65, so Tallon got “close” to winning a Stanley Cup down in Florida but he didn’t because “it’s a market that does not care about hockey.”

    My goodness, you have completely lost it. Seek professional help.

    South Florida – have you ever been there? Do you know how many Canadians live down there?

    Tallon got them “close”, huh? Close only works in horseshoes and hand grenades. Let’s take a look how “close” Tallon got them but before we do that, isn’t it you who said GM’s don’t play on the ice, players do? Yes that was you.

    Since the 2010-11 season:

    The Panthers have qualified for the playoffs TWICE in eight seasons.

    The two times they qualified, they won a grand total of FIVE PLAYOFF GAMES. They lost in the conference quarterfinals one year (2011-12) and the first round the other year (2015-16).

    In what world, other than your own delusional world, are those results “close” to winning the Stanley Cup?

    Answer the question.

    I define “close” as reaching the Stanley Cup Finals and taking the series to six or seven games. Like for instance the Blackhawks vs. Montreal in ’73 and ’71.

    You really have zero clue.

    You lose. Again.

  76. Row A;

    Yes, I am interested in your info …. no need to get snippy. Just basing my comments on how Wirtz explained the situation in interviews ….. McDonough and Blunk. McDonough is a marketing guy, and 12 years of being with the Blackhawks doesn’t make him a hockey talent guy either. He wasn’t a baseball talent guy spending 20+ years with the Cubs. He’s great at Marketing, the Blackhawks brand is huge. Hopefully the moves the team makes will be smart ones, regardless of who is making the calls.

  77. @ Hull65

    One of many questions you continue to avoid:

    How is that letter to Rocky Wirtz coming along? You DO know ranting on an anonymous message board will have zero effect in bringing about the changes you rant about, right?

    Why are you not being accountable for your clueless opinions and taking your case to the man who has control over these types of decisions?

    Are you afraid? If so, what are you afraid of?

    You lose. Again.

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