Patrick Kane Picks Up 600th Career Assist, Short-Handed Hawks Fall To Tampa

It isn’t ideal for an NHL team to start a game with 11 forwards and seven defensemen.

The Blackhawks did it on Thursday night. Dominik Kubalik was a healthy scratch; Slater Koekkoek took his spot in the lineup.

The Tampa Bay Lighting were forced to do it as well. Nikita Kucherov was sidelined because of an injury.

Mikhail Sergachev scored the only goal of the first period, a power play tally at 16:10 into the game. Tampa out-shot the Hawks 14-12 in the first period with one of those shots coming from their captain, Steven Stamkos. Stamkos skated 5:19 in the first period.

Stamkos didn’t return to the game after the first intermission.

He was on the bench dressed, opening the door for his teammates. But he didn’t take another shift in the game.

Even without Kucherov and Stamkos the Tampa defense was frustratingly terrific. The Blackhawks struggled to sustain any offense the entire night. After 40 minutes of hockey the Bolts had a 24-20 shot advantage and a 1-0 lead on the scoreboard.

The fact Tampa was doing it with only 10 forwards was more impressive.

Chicago kept trying to find creative ways to crack Tampa’s defense. At 8:27 into the third Brent Seabrook banked a shot into the net off Tampa netminder Curtis McElhinney to tie the game at one.

Brandon Saad and Jonathan Toews picked up the assists on the Seabrook goal.

Unfortunately the game stayed tied for only 77 seconds. Victor Hedman fired a shot at the net and got a screen from Anthony Cirelli, who apparently also redirected the shot past Corey Crawford to give Tampa the lead once again.

Less than three minutes later Brayden Point flipped a shot past Crawford and the Blackhawks were chasing two.

Any momentum the Hawks could have theoretically gained from Seabrook’s goal never materialized; the Lightning struck twice quickly.

Saad complicated matters by taking a penalty with 5:08 left in regulation. One of the Hawks better penalty killers sitting for two of the final five minutes with the team only dressing 11 forwards put the team in a touch spot.

Calvin de Haan got hit in the wrist by a shot half-way through the Saad penalty and went to the bench appearing to be in a good deal of pain but he told the trainers he was alright.

Chicago successfully killed the Saad penalty but were faced with three minutes to score twice when they hadn’t been able to generate any offense all night.

Fear not. Crawford went to the bench and with 2:43 left in regulation the Blackhawks had three forwards – Toews, Dylan Strome and Andrew Shaw – all parked in front of the net. Patrick Kane fired a shot on net and Strome deposited the rebound to pull the Hawks within one.

The assist to Kane was the 600th of his career and extended his point streak to 11 games.

The Bolts iced the puck ten seconds later and Crawford went back to the bench. Chicago tried to get the puck back on net but Tampa’s defense stayed strong in front of McElhinney. With 60 seconds left in regulation a loose puck found Cedric Paquette at the blue line and he was able to hit the empty cage to push the lead back to two.

Crawford stopped 31 of 34 in the loss.

Kane led Chicago with eight shots on net. Toews was credited with five. The rest of the Blackhawks roster accounted for 21.

Toews also won 13 of 24 faceoffs. Strome, who has struggled at the dot this year, won eight of 12.

Tampa held a 41-20 hit advantage and blocked 19 shots in the game.

Since Kane entered the NHL at the beginning of the 2007-08 season, only five other players have recorded 600 regular season assists:

  1. Nicklas Backstrom – 656
  2. Sidney Crosby – 635
  3. Joe Thornton – 622
  4. Ryan Getzlaf – 612
  5. Henrik Sedin – 600
    Patrick Kane – 600

93 thoughts on “Patrick Kane Picks Up 600th Career Assist, Short-Handed Hawks Fall To Tampa

  1. To be fair to the coach, Q unsuccessfully dressed 7 d men a few times. That being said, not only was it a waste to dress Koekkoek, but sitting Kubalik who can actually score (5 goals) v. Smith (0 goals) was ignorant.

    They re starting to go backwards. The next four games are very important.

  2. Seabrook with a great play to tie the game…and then they fall apart. It’s still only November, but the next two games with Dallas are huge.

  3. This team does not have the skill to compete with the top teams in the league. It’s as simple as that. The fault lies with Blowman and the scouting staff. Three quality drafted players in the last decade still with the organization.

  4. I see a parallel narrative in Calgary with Gaudreau and DCat , small players being pushed off the puck . I wont expound on that for now, Saad has been great , but does have hands of stone at least this season .

  5. Kane played almost 28 minutes. There is no reason for that. He usually plays 8-9 minutes less than that and is highly effective. Toews deferred to the coach when asked about the 11 forwards jobber tonight.

    This is poor coaching.

  6. Another rollercoaster.
    Really thought the Seabs goal was going to be the spark, then BAM.
    Why Smith keeps getting minutes is really a head scratcher ???
    He’s just yuck.

  7. “Three quality drafted players in the last decade still with the organization.”

    2011 – Saad, Shaw
    2016 – DeBrincat

    In defense of that statement, there are quality players from the last 3 drafts (Mitchell, Altybarmakyan, Barratt, Boqvist, Beaudin, Dach, Vlasic) who are still coming. But it is indeed brutal to look back at the past decade and realize the Hawks have almost nothing to show for their drafts at the NHL level.

  8. Saad is a truck driver…. hands of stone… ALWAYS knocked off of puck.. can’t pass… VERY SLOW team with Seabrook & Keith… When was LAST TIME keith Blocked a shot ? Gus is a load but at least he can skate.. Keith can’t keep puck in zone and ALWAYS shoots it into opponent who is in his “lane”. TRASH ——Most Overrated player in ALL OF SPORTS… hands down.
    Hawks core players are clueless on playing positional hockey due to free reign from Q-ball.
    o well….

  9. Even before I read that Toews comment I was thinking why did Kubalik get scratched? – now that I’ve read the Toews comment I see the players are starting to question JC again – not good

    Why does Colliton keep doing this? – overthinking situations, trying to be too clever

    If you want KK in – take out a D man – if you have to have 7 D which I agree never seems to work out for the Hawks then sit Smith not Kubalik

    Get back to 4 full lines – I wanted to see 8-77-65 as a line – that seemed to be a smart move by JC to slide 77 into top 9 but then to sit 8 just negates that .., I don’t get it…very disappointing unless there’s extenuating circumstances

    At least the Hawks competed but I was saying to myself that they’d give back the lead right away once Seabs scored and so they did – that’s what they’ve done for the last year or two

    Neither Nylander or Smith looked good on that play – Hedman with way too much time and ice

  10. “When was LAST TIME keith Blocked a shot ?”

    Duncan Keith had a team-leading four blocked shots against Tampa. He entered Thursday night’s game in the top 20 in the NHL with 45 blocked shots on the season (2nd on the Hawks).

    Animull might want to sleep this one off…

  11. Yup, this kid’s in over his head….

  12. Agree said that before, want to see them get more milesge from their draft picks. Hppefully that changes on a hurry.

    Bizzarre move to say the least healthy scratching Kubalik for Koekkoek. That said this team is going to need over the course of a long season 2 big equalizers in alot of games. Number one goaltending which has been everything asked and more. Number 2 us the power play, which is no where near what is asked and less. Unless that changes it will be tough on alot of nights regardless of everyth8ng else.

  13. The more I think about this the angrier I get. I mean, you–“Coach” Colliton– had the ultimate chance with the defending MVP out on the other side and you decide–nah, lets dress one *less* forward?

    ????????

    I wonder if the guys just shut the dressing room door and laugh at him at this point.

  14. It’s bad enough the coach dressed Koekoek, his explanation was even worse. Kubalik has been playing well, there was no reason to scratch him.

    As a reminder, this is on Bowman, he hand picked this guy.

  15. Let’s demote JC to assistant coach to cuddle the soft Euros on the roster. And let’s hire Babcock as head coach. Do I sound like Don Cherry Sorry Just a frustrated hawks fan.

  16. Sorry to not hear the reason, but why would Kubalik be a healthy scratch? I watch every game and he is imo not been a floater in any game. Seven d men and Kane at huge minutes tonight says wtf coach?

    Another poor first 2 periods. Not ready to adapt to Tampa structure just like Canes other night. We have to take the bad with the good, and our goalies can’t bail the team out very night. If Hawks can’t raise their game to level or better than opponents it’s back down the mountain. No slouches coming up. Tampa owned this game from puck drop just like Canes most of Tuesday. In both games at home they were beaten out of the gate by better teams without serious pushback.

    Disappointed

    Let’s Go Hawks!

  17. Tabs, I know keith is your boy….
    he stands in front of hawks net doing nothing… puck hits him (as opponent uses him as screen), guess it counts as block on score sheet just like froglegs hjammerson
    used to do… Won’t go into corners first, cant shoot on net… can’t keep puck inside blueline..won’t clear our crease of opponents… won’t hussle—- HOF. ??

  18. Agree Ian – TB PP goal was the difference in an essentially 1 goal game

    Also the refs clearly missed Maatta getting sticked in the face before Cirelli’s goal

    Should have been a CHI PP – instead a 2-1 Tampa lead

  19. Add to that Wraparound, Maatta cleared the puck off the boards and the puck hit the linesman, keeping it in the Hawks zone and sadly the result was a goal.

    How many times do we have to watch Saad have a perfect pass go off the blade of his stick and the good scoring chance evaporate ? Unfortunately he looks like more like a third line grinder than a first line winger. I have no problem with his effort but the number of offensive zone fumbles is truly mind-boggling.

  20. Wrap pp goal would have made a difference on last game too against Canes. With defensive issues this team has the pp has to be a game changer for them alot of nights and just not even close to that level. Would like to see Kane, Toews, Dach, Debrincat and Gus on first unit. Shaw could help 2nd unit better gaining the puck in the zone for them and going to net. Put Strome, Nylander, Shaw, Kubalik and because he’s faster afoot probably Keith, though another shot from the point be helpful for sure.

  21. Healthy scratching Kubalik for Koekkoek was questionable enough, but for Colliton to try and justify it with those comments. Wow that just has the wrong coach in the wrong place written all over it.

  22. After Colliton’s initial comments about why Koekkoek was in, he was asked once again why Kubalik was out. His quick response ….. “We felt it was right”.

    Confusing.

    Tampa out hit the Blackhawks by a factor of two. There was maybe some better fight in tonight’s game for the Blackhawks when it came to board battles, but all in all they didn’t seem to be that hard a team for the Lightning to play against. Plus, the passing is just off.
    DeBrincat is in a bit of a funk where his receiving the puck and his hands aren’t in sync, and he’s not getting off the shots. Once he and Kane get a little more back on track they can be more dangerous. Right now it’s a bit frustrating to watch and I’m sure very frustrating for DeBrincat.

    Was it just me or were there players falling around all over the ice? Lots of tangled feet and people not able to find the puck right at their feet. One of those nights, I guess.

    Go Blackhawks!!!!

  23. Thank you HOSSAHAWK.That is right on the money.This team was slow,lackadaisical,and sloppy all night.They were dominated by a team that was at the end of a road trip, playing without their 2 top forwards,using their backup goalie.The Bolts were hardchecking and fast to the puck all night.They outhit the Hawks 41-20.And 20 is being real generous.The only time the Hawks went to the front of the net was when they pulled the goalie.This team likes to coast and take the easy route by playing hard in spurts or when they are desperate.Hawks forwards were way too low in coverage allowing Bolts defense to walk right up the slot.Very hot Stars team waiting on them.Good Luck.

  24. Almost forgot.A Big shout out to that wonderful NBC Sports Chicago Broadcast.It only took 2 Broadcasters and 4 analysts a couple minutes into the 3rd period before they figured out that Stamkos was out.And even then they had no idea why.Jesus guys,when a star misses a shift you should be on top of it let alone a whole period.And if your spotters and technical people are not helping, all one had to do is google Stamkos and it would have told you that he fell awkwardly into the boards in the 1st period hurting his knee.That info was available as the 1st period ended.

  25. KOOKOO deserves to dress against his old team? What is that? This coach is out to lunch. Everytime he tries to act like a coach, he makes foolish arrogant decisions. Very clear a couple of weeks ago when Kane mentioned ” at some point if the system doesn’t work, you have to wonder”…Then tonight Toews questions why 11 forwards especially with Kucherov not playing tonight. BRING BABCOCK or DALE HUNTER and BRING MARK HUNTER as GM!
    Again, the roster just does have the depth it needs to make the playoffs. Bowman’s drafting and trades have placed the Hawks too far behind. And JC coaching is simply dumb.

  26. It seems too easy to blame things on Colliton. But the Kubalik/KooKoo thing is puzzling. Kubalik has been good. Then a young, inexperienced coach tries to get clever. So even though it’s too easy to blame Colliton, maybe we should blame Colliton. Toews was right. 4 lines have been rolling well. Why would you mess with that?

    I only saw the third period, but Dach won a couple board battles and looked good in limited minutes.

    Crow was good. Nothing new there.

    Even without our clever coach, this team is probably a 500% team. If you are going to be 500%, at least use common sense while doing it.

  27. Hey Stan, how was the 2015 draft class for you and Mark Kelley? Graham Knott and company!
    What JC did last tonight is the dumb, clever arrogance that he shares with his GM Stan Bowman. Thus, get rid of these clowns. Mark Hunter of the London Knights would be perfect for them.

  28. Montreal with 7 picks in the first four rounds of the draft.
    Stan has plenty of pieces to “sell” on a team that has won 9 of its first 22 games.

    We are .400 hockey team. Sell. Sell. Sell.

  29. Craig you are on the ball.
    Saad has absolutely no hands.
    Nylander needs to play with Dach and he might actually get some passes.
    Montreal GM is trying to get younger players while accumulating extra draft picks
    The most recent Shaw trade makes that very obvious.
    Bowman is in save his job mode and is not looking past trying to get the hawks into the playoffs. Trading for extra draft picks is not on Bowman’s agenda.

  30. It’s not like KK is a respected veteran who had a long career with Tampa – he was a part time player for 2 years really – the most he played in a year was 35 games!

    So JC decides to handicap his team to throw KK a bone and KK does nothing to return the favour in 8 forgettable minutes and top it off the JC doesn’t tell the team why he’s doing that despite supposedly being a great communicator

    I was starting to cut JC some slack but now I’m back to questioning his judgement

    I know Q would do things like that but with respected veterans not guys who were never established NHLers – maybe Jamall Mayers or someone like that and with a CHI team that was pretty securely in the playoffs not with a team not in the playoffs like this year’s Hawks and needing the best team on the ice every night to have a chance to win

    Inexcusable IMO – so he wins a few points with KK but loses respect with every one else – WTF?

  31. Let’s face it-yes JC is taking his hits, and hopefully Bowman get replaced.
    But those two guys can’t compete on a nightly basis and the players play when they play and don’t compete the rest of the time-that’s on them

    And Crow had a good game, but he and Lehner aren’t playing like all-stars like they did during the stretch that got them back in this. It’s not good if goalies have to steal wins, in order to do well.

    Nylander is frustrating in that his skills are excellent but his play is average. I’m a huge fan of D-Cat and he does hit on the forecheck like he’s 6 ft, 200 but his play and decisions with the puck has been sloppy, it seems like he thinks he is still in the ‘O’ and can ‘try’ things that don’t work in the NHL.

  32. Right on Tab, the last decade as I have mentioned before as well, Bowman and Kelley have nothing to show for in the prospects pool. How many players in Rockford have they drafted? How many on this roster? JC’s comments about a marginal player deserving to play against his old team, an old team he could never crack the lineup as a regular is bush league and embarassing to the organization and especially to his star players. You wanted to give Kane 29 mintes, he can double shift with Teows and Saad then sit Nylander or Smith during the game. And is he getting orders from Stan to drop Strome and give Dach a shift on the 2nd line instead?….So Strome’s agent can’t ask for more cash! Dysfunctional management. Bring real hockey people like Mark Hunter! Or Rick Dudley! Or Dale Tallon! or Doug Wilson! Binny’s needs an accountant, hire Stan! How many 2nd Div. Swedish layers has JC brought over to the Hawks for Stan? Gives you an idea how disconnected both are!

  33. This will be another wasted season with our aging core and dumbass of a head coach handpicked by Blowman. Goal-tending has been excellent and yet it gets wasted as well every game. Can we please fire this joke and his bald head dip of a GM. Time to move past the stench. Maybe our core has 1-2 more years and that’s it. Why waste them on this junior league coach and daddy’s boy GM. Again, look at the lack of talent we’ve drafted, should say it all right there.

  34. I am surprised to hear that Kubalik was a healthy scratch, had figured he was sick or had a minor injury. To make that decision and play Kane for nearly half the game is the ultimate short-term strategy. You screw up your forward and defense pairings all game by this decision. That being said, how many wins would we have with different goaltenders? Right now we are a team in the bottom third of the league. I’m not sure what the answer is but dressing Koekkoek as a 7th d-man is certainly not it. Maybe they wanted to give him “One more Shift” with his former team – it’s a nice marketing gimmick…..

  35. Coaching decision to dress 7 dman and dbl shift Kane was mind boggling but you are Not winning when you’re Not Scoring…. Very simple.. This team has players in scoring situations (saad is very bad) in offensive zone and they wiff or get puck STOLIN from them… They can’t hang onto puck and lotta times never (more often the best option) pass puck back to pointman… Basically never “set up shop”… Maybe Old Dmen are cheating by staying back as to not get “caught”, due to being slow…
    Go Hawks!

  36. Is it just me or does every time Dach is on the ice good things seem to happen, he forechecks, he backchecks he passes well, he protects the puck well, he wins more board battles than most Hawks players and he can score – it’s time to give him a more prominent role

    Let him play with Kane and see how that goes – right now Strome and DCAt aren’t giving you much – the play dies on their sticks constantly – keep them together – they could be 2/3rds of a 3rd line

  37. How is KooKoo still on this team? Sitting one of the fastest skaters when you desperately need speed against the Bolts is crazy. I agree Colliton doesn’t have a clue and needs to go.

  38. The fact that right now Rick Renteria might be the best coach/ manager of Chicago sports teams is scary thought. ( leaving Cubs out of this as new manager)

    But I don’t know if firing JC does much good. Whose Stan’s option? One of the bench coaches?

  39. Sorry to say folks but here is the beginning of the end of JC. The slide is at two and see it going to eight before the next possible win. Followed by four more losses before the next possible win. Three more losses, a possible win three more losses. Welcome to 2020 new Head Coach Marc Crawford!
    I was open minded when Q was fired and JC hired. Knew a change could happen. Didn’t like it but it happens. Thought he was too young no experience but played the game (not long enough) . Every one must start some where but this guy is way in over his head.
    The system he is trying to implement may be good but not with this group. He doesn’t recognize that. Has definitely lost the locker room now with JT’s comments. Sense that the players are just going to go through the motions here on out. His own comments for playing KoeKoe just buried himself.
    Rocky is going ride it out until the boo birds get too loud. McDonough will have a chat with Stanley. The two reasons I think Stanley survives is one Papa and two Marc Crawford does good.
    I’m just going to sit back and look at individual effort in the game. The team effort could be saved. I believe that the old core everyone cries about is going to put the team on their shoulders and straighten the ship.

    ps. Toronto won with a new coach.

  40. Potential Hawks’ head coach (if Bowman gets fired b/c he won’t/can’t fire his Chosen One):

    A) Orval Tessier (still alive)

    B) Bob Pulford (still alive, lives locally as well)

    C) Alpo Suhonen (falls w/in European gambit of Bowman)

    D) Dirk Graham (mustache fits in textbook w/ November theme)

    E) Denis Savard (why not, the hierarchy players like him)

    Please select. Thank you.

    P.S. Trip hilarious re: Colliton & Islanders ….

  41. Hey JR – Leafs won with more talent than we have in our entire system. No excuse now for them to not be a winner.

    I doubt Babcock is an answer. That won’t fix stupid. And a lot of our play qualifies as that. We simply aren’t as good as many here think we are, and we prolly should get used to it. The window is just about shut.

    Goaltending is outstanding and our best trade options for getting some quality return. Not picks – players. It’s gonna be tough to turn this all the way around. As my son said last night – you can read a lot of body language on the bench and ice. This team is not together.

    JC really did big damage with his statements last night. I don’t expect him to make a full recovery in Chicago. So lets get it done.

    Time for another rinse and repeat cycle.

  42. JR if Bowman survives JC leaving (if Babcock can be shown the door then anyone can) there is no accountability in this organization. Upper management could be hired by the White House-couldn’t resist, sorry.
    Papa, really?

  43. We are stuck with Seabrook. Get Keith out of here and let a kid play – he has no real future here. Move Crow and get Delia up. Wait for the right trade for Lehner, or get him signed for a few years. Move Saad and get what you can get while you can get it. I’m tired of watching SHTRome look like he just got out of bed. Build around Dach, Kubalik, Nylander and anyone else under 26 who looks like he understands that the rink is more than 50 feet long. Someone needs Shaw, and it isn’t us.

    And for the sake of sanity – someone explain to Dcat how to get the puck out of his own zone. I think he needs a break right now.

    Quit farting around with the personnel on the power play. GEEZ!!!

    The team and the systems (both strategic system and player development) need to change.

    Blow it up. Blow it all up.

  44. I still don’t feel better. I’ve followed the Cubs for nearly 60 years and survived. This feels more frustrating.

  45. Not advocating for Babs. Looking for someone else to finish the year. Leafs do have more talent but someone has to put that talent together in the right way, right situations. What is Torchetti doing?

  46. After last nights clown show from a the coaching side of things and the Toews comment,I think dropping the next pair of back to backs against Colorado and Dallas should bring an end to the Colliton era.This team makes no in game adjustments.Real NHL coaches do it shift to shift.

  47. I get that people want to jump on JC for changing the lines, and it is warranted I think, but that isn’t why they lost against Tampa (or Carolina the other night…)

    I am not defending the coaches decision, because I am not sure why having KK in the lineup was better than having Kubalik. But these Hawks have not been able to play against good, fast, pressuring defenses for a while (long before JC and his line juggling act showed up.) And when the opposition crowds the blue line and take away space, the Hawks can’t keep possesion of the puck. How many times did DeBrincat or Kane or whoever get checked off the puck trying to carry it over the blue line? it seemed like four ot of five times the Hawks try it, they lose the puck about 10 feet from the blue line and Tampa is transitioning to offense. How do you counter this? How do you maintain possession of the puck on offense if you can’t retreive a dump in and the defense stacked to prevent you from carrying the puck into the zone? Kubalik playing on the third line instead of KK as the 7th defenseman does nothing to fix the first or second line from not being able to maintain possession of the puck at the blue line.

    Bottom line is that Toews and Co. may not like what JC is selling, and maybe with good reason, but the Hawks are not going to make the playoffs much less win a series there if they can’t find a way to break the way good teams defend their zone entries and Kubalik being scratched one game is not the reason the Hawks are bad at it.

  48. The hawks are an average team that can beat the other average teams ,with great goaltending. Period. The past 2 games have shown that. A team with speed and forechecking dominate. I would be Ok with that if there was a plan for the Hawks to get better and be a cup contender once again. But IMO there isn’t. Bowman has made moves in hopes of making the playoffs to save his job. JC is on Bowman. You can’t fire JC without firing Bowman. One more point. When the Leafs fired Babcock they replaced him with a young coach ( Keefe) who has a great record in the OHL and AHL. Who did Bowman replace our HOF coach with. Enough said

  49. “I would be Ok with that if there was a plan for the Hawks to get better and be a cup contender once again. But IMO there isn’t.”

    Totally agree and have been saying as much for a few years now. There is no blueprint. The team has no clear direction and lacks a clear identity. We have some talent but it’s mostly just a bunch of guys that fill positions without any real synergy or cohesion to it. The product on the ice is less than the sum of its parts and the blame for that lies with management (not assembling the right group and having a clear plan) and coaching (not being able to get the execution in order to really compete).

    I expect the season to continue along as it has since JC took the reins. We’ll win a few track meets and the goalies will steal a few and that will be the fool’s gold that will keep the optimists optimistic. But the reality is we’re not going anywhere and whether it’s tomorrow, next week, next month the GM and coach both need to go.

  50. People need to realize the inconsistency of this team, call it coaching or whatever, but the players also need to held accountable. Hawks pass way too much and pass up good shot opportunities. When you cannot score in the 1st 2 periods, the D can only hold up for so long. As for.the title.of.this blog/article… whatever you want to call this, “short handed Hawks ” ?? When you healthy scratch a fwd to play a D man so he can play against his former team…..you are NOT short handed. Tampa was short handed and out played the Hawks, even with their backup goalie. Needless to say, the Hawks are a and will be a top 10 draft lottery team, they may be top 5…..so I guess just accept it, let’s see what the Org does throughout this season and wait again for the trade deadline, who stays who goes, the draft, what pick do the Hawks get, free agency, who is traded, who is brought on board, then training camp, who impresses, who has progressed, who has regressed…..then look forward to 2020-2021 season.

  51. A little free advice to Bowman and Colliton,there is no team in the NHL that roles out a Kamph,Carpenter,and Smith in the same lineup.You can afford 1 of those guys in a lineup.When you put 3 on the ice at the same time you are not even treading water.4th lines are comprised of young healthy and hungry forwards with size and speed who desperately don’t want to go back to the AHL.Guys like that will skate through a wall for you and win battles.

  52. We are a borderline team right now. There is a lot of raw talent and a sprinkling of seasoned talent as well. This kind of team needs a steady confident coach who knows that you cannot take chances with consistency and chemistry because it is so fragile. Making a decision to dress only 11 forwards when the past 5 or 6 games have proven that we need to roll four lines to succeed, is at best a questionable decision. Playing Kane almost 30 minutes is also stupid. What happens if he gets hurt? What do we have then? Colliton is the wrong person for this job, sorry to say.

  53. Mike Babcock is fools gold. The rosters he won with were stacked with talent. Most coaches would have done well…bad coaches likely wouldn’t have.

  54. Things could get really ugly very quickly with these next 4 games – home and home with both DAL and COL

    A minimum of 4 of 8 points is required to pretend to be in the playoff chase and the possibility certainly exists of getting less than 4

    Anything over 4 would be a win although I’m not optimistic

    I think the team was better with Boquist in the line up but don’t expect him to be recalled anytime soon unless there’s an injury – there’s many problems with the team right now – speed and mobility on the backend is one that Boq can help with

    If the Hawks lose all four of these games is JC gone?

  55. I still can’t comprehend the decision to sit Kubalik and skate 7 d. There must be some disciplinary angle to this as it makes zero sense. Kubalik has been playing well and teams rarely skate 7d when all forwards are healthy and available. JC is sending an awful message to the team that the coach doesn’t think we can win without Kaner playing half the game.

  56. The comments seem pretty consistent across the board, which is a rarity. The last couple of weeks seemed to be the high, but this team is a middle of the road team wanting to be a top team. Eventually the weaknesses come to the surface. Bobby 9 first sentence summed up all we need to know.

    If they have any interest in the next few years, try to sign Lehner-please! If he leaves this should be a true let’s start this again.

  57. “Babcock was fired on Nov. 20. Mike Yeo was fired by the St. Louis Blues on Nov. 19. The team then went from last place to eventual Stanley Cup champions.”

    You’re running late Stan. Don’t be a dear in the headlights.

  58. Love this site but can we change the narrative a little bit. Almost everyone has posted about getting rid of Colliton for sure and 50/50 on Bowman. What will it take to get rid of them? I think Bowman did allright in the off season considering. However Bowman did hire Colliton who has proven he can’t manage the veterans, create good lines or implement systems(Defense, Power PLay, Penalty Kill, etc). So we are a month away from January 1st and where are we at. I’m not even going to mention the whole fact that we have no drafted defensmen playing for the team but it’s pretty well docuemnted at this point.

    Power Play is 28th in the leage at 13.2%
    Penalty Kill is 18th in the league at 79.7%
    Goals Against 21st in the league at 65
    Goals Scored is 16th in the league at 65
    And of course the most important state we are 12th in the wester conference. 3 points from dead last, 11 points from first, and 2 points out of a wild card spot.

    Bright Spots
    1. Dach 10 Points
    2. Kubalik 9 Points
    3. Nylander 9 Points
    3. Strome has 17 points for number 2 on the team, and Debrincat has 17 points.
    4. Kane getting hot 29 points
    5. Defense is imporved when we are healthy(Murphy Coming Back)
    6. Lehner & Crawford possibly the best goal tending tandem in the NHL.

    Negative Spots
    1. Colliton what are you doing with the lines?
    2. Colliton calling out the players and pissing off the veterans?
    3. Colliton do your systems work?
    A. Power Play: NO
    B. Penalty Kill: NO, Bowman imporoved the lineup
    C. Goals Against: NO, Bowman imporved the lineup
    D. Goals Scored: NO, How many periods have we seen like 5 shots on goal this season?
    3. Toews extermly slow start
    4. I wish Dehann & Mattaa were better. I’m kinda splitting hairs here but I think Joker would have been a better option than one of these guys.
    5. Boqvist, when will we see you again? This guy needs to play in the NHL if he is going to be part of this team. Bowman figure it out, is this still an accouting thing?….
    6. Special Teams are better but the power play is still horrible…..
    7. Handling Seabrook properly, he’s a leader on the team so sitting him or pissing him off will piss of the team and by the way Dach lives with him.
    8. Colliton getting the team to play consistent, how many games have we seen where the new show on ice in Chicago is Blackhawks ice capades, where the team skates around for 20 minutes and barely breaks 10 shots on goal….

    So right now its looking pretty mediocre out there. From what I’ve seen alot of psoitives met with alot of negatives by putting these players in positions not to succeed. It just feels like these guys can’t get in a grove and play hockey. Duncan Keith said it best in the pod cast on spitting chicklets. I’m sorry but I’m putting this alot on Colliton and managing the players. Just doesn’t feel like the guys want to play for him or his systems…..

    So What will it take to get rid of him, dead last in all categories, dead list in the league???? I seriously don’t know but right now we are 3 points out of last place and still not in a wildcard spot.

  59. Not saying were a boarderline top team, yet.

    I do not think we can go by, the next so many games are vital or we suck. Its groups of games is what is. Like we just went 6-1-1 winning or tie 7 of 8. Now we have some off games for 1 2 or 3 ? doesnt matter how many. Just want to keep the off stretchs low and good stretchs longer.

    To me its putting together good stretchs like the 7 of 8 win or tie, with some off games along the way.

    Thing we cant do is change lines when they are working well. Do it when were are not. Those games happen anyways, with or without the same different lines. Happen over the 82 games every yr. Keep finetuning, at times, it until we get the right combo for the lines.

  60. Like ER said its about getting the roster ready for the 21 season and on. Young wavers and tweak ufas. Like Noonan said its the young wave that will carry the load for next Cup. While they come in yrs coming, in the meantime get the vets other spots figured out so where ready and get the coaches ans systems act together, so we are ready when 77 27 Mitch Beau 71 58 36 Barratt

  61. It’s a funny league so far this year. Even the teams assumed out of it-like Ottawa (more points than the Hawks) and the Rangers are at 500 in the standings.

    Hearing more about the Rangers leaves you a bit envious. (At least their fans can’t say we’ve had recent Cup wins). They have that healthy mix of talented young veterans like Panarin, Kreider, Trouba and Zibenajab all 28 or under.
    They young guns like Kakko, Buchevich, Fox, Strome, Howden and Lemieux. And more to come like Miller, Kravtsov and Andersson. They have speed, grit and talent.

    Ottawa is having fun and pulling together. What are the Hawks? What is their goal? Are they too top, bottom heavy with no real middle? Some 31 to 36 year old talent and some young possible talent. Is it enough to really compete in the next 2 to 3 years, the only realistic range of contribution from 88, 50, 2 and 19.

    Is Lehner caught in that middle vacuum? Other than him is their really any middle to this sandwich? They need vision, a plan-not what can we do to keep fans butts in the seat? One Goal?

  62. How old and how much $$$ are Carpenter and Smith making this season? Carpenter signed for 3 seasons? Why? Because Bowman has no clue. For example, he would rather sign a 39 year old Kunitz than keep a 23 year old Duclair who can skate like the wind and now has 10 goals in Ottawa. JC is Bowman’s guy, JC is not Sheldon Keefe nor DJ Smith who have won at the AHL level and that NHL teams were raving about signing them to the BIG clubs. Still no Dman Bowman has drafted in over 10 seasons on this team. Still no goalie he has drafted has made this team. What are GM’s judged upon? Kane, Toews, Seabrook, Keith and Crawford has saved his job for over a decade. Time to bring in Mark Hunter and a new coach! What this coach did to Seabrook, what he just said a couple of days ago about dressing 7 dmen confirms he is a fool and cannot handle the NHL. No one has a clue including himself what system to use. Plus, Bowman allows JC to hire his friend as an assistant from the Swedish 2nd Div??? Seriously??? Playing Kane 29 minutes…..in November…tells you lots about this roster but also he can’t coach.
    By the way, is Graham Knott Bowman’s guy…..and the soccer goalie from Belgium Kelley’s guy?
    Anyway, ROOPE HINTZ is 6’3″ and weighs 220lbs, skill and speed combined in DALLAS! We would rather have Dylan Sikura or Anthony Louis, of Vinny H, right Stan!

  63. Need more meat, middle age, players. That is in the works, I do not know how, it is in the works. We have the older core guys and other older guys and a bunch of yong waver coming. Cant have ideal roster every yr, have to build it and then we have it for a few yrs again.

    I see as young wavers come in, some older core and vets leave and we add those middle age players ufa or trade and then we have the right mix for age wise players. It cant happen over night, so we did it the right way. We sucked for just long enough to get top 5 draft players and plenty of good prospects that can play. Now when they are ready, thats the time, 21 season and on, to get those middle age guys your talking about.

    We do not have that now but we will soon. Lehner you must stay you hear me.

  64. People say we need a # 1 Defensemen, well for 8 m caphit we could have Maatta and Smith or that Defensemen. When available these summers coming up that the time to make that move. I have nothing agasint 6 and 15 but what evers better for the roster, do it. You keep 40 44 22 maybe 65 and not 6 15 to get that top pair Defesnemen.

    Guys like Kurachev and others like that are the middle guys, not age wise, but skill wise. Do need some middle age guys once were doing that finetuneing in the summers. This summer we got full roster, thats wonderfull. We needed it playing short handed 24 mths before. Now is finetune and bring in the young wavers they are good. Really good.

  65. Remember though even when we had a dynasty stacked roster with everybody under 25 like Burr said. We still went and adding older vets to win with that group, Soupy Hoss Soaps Madden others. Need them.

  66. Before I get flamed for what I am about to say…….First, I am a blackhawks fan, have been for 50 years now. No bandwagon fan here. I have taken my rose colored glasses off however and see some cracks in what is unfolding before our eyes. Watching both the Carolina and Tampa Bay games we are clearly in need of bigger, stronger, speedier players in ALL positions. It was very easy to see that our smaller forwards and defensemen struggled mightily in board battles, puck battles, and with overall foot speed to allow them to make the plays that had to but didn`t get made. Other than a few stinker games this year you can see the players trying, they`re battling the best they can. They are simply overwhelmed and are struggling to compete in todays NHL. The new NHL is faster, bigger, and stronger and our GM is late to realize this. It`s on him. He`s made some gross mis calculations and some mistakes along the way both in terms of drafting and trades and it`s hurt the makeup of our roster both currently and for the future. We lost a combination of youth, speed, skill, and heart in guys like Teravainen, Danualt, Duclair, Hartman and Schmaltz and while Bowman has recovered some assets back to offset terrible signings or trades ( i.e Caguilla ) it`s really easy to imagine these 5 guys being part of the new young core for the Hawks and other than Strome for Schmaltz they were thrown or given away for nothing more than “bottlecaps” or future prospects which might not help the team for many more years to come. It`s really hard for an organization to recover from trades like this and a mindset that excludes them from recognizing the speed, size, skill and strength required to compete in todays NHL game. This is on Bowman. It`s his roster and we shouldn`t be surprised to know that he influences who plays and how they play as a group as well. No Defensemen drafted in all these years, no goalies in all these years, and nothing but small and average skating forwards ( Dach exlcuded in terms of size only ) in all these years. Bowman and Kelly have to go.

  67. Caggiula placed on IR retroactive to November 10. Why not just put him on LTIR unless they don’t see a need for it. Only 12 forwards. Wonder if a corresponding move is coming? And as I’m writing this and looking at AHL stats, the Icehogs site says Nilsson is “currently playing in Chicago”

    Hagel, 6 points in last 8 games.
    Highmore,7 points in last 8
    Sikura, 0 points in last 5 games. If you remove a 4 point night hed have 5 points in 13 games.

    Nilsson has 5 pts in his last 8, but he’s been playing center and taking a ton of draws in Rockford.

  68. Haven’t seen any other sources say Nilsson has been recalled but wouldn’t be surprised.

    Updated faceoff stats for anyone that cares.

    Toews 54.5% 431 draws taken.
    Strome 43.1% 211
    Kampf 50.0% 202
    Carpenter 50.3% 199
    Shaw 45% 80
    Smith 43.6% 48
    Dach 31.6% 38

    Toronto leads the league with 53.7%. Chicago is 22nd at 48.9%. only 13 teams are above 50%. Avalanche are 30th at 46.4%. Sabres are 31st at 46.2%.

    In other news, Peyton Krebs has returned to Kootenay…err Winnipeg after rehabbing a torn Achilles. He just signed his ELC with Vegas. He’s teammates to leading scorer and Hawks prospect Michal Teply. Krebs last year was -50! And was a 1st round pick despite all that and “only” barely being a PPG player. It’ll be interesting to see if Teply benefits from having him on the ice.

  69. Rusty with only one game between today and next Friday could be a accrue cap move not to recall anyone, where can’t do that on ltir. Emergency recall be available to use if needed. I’m sure by next Friday if Cagguila still out, when they start 5 games in 7 days run somebody be recalled. They must be almost to the point of season too where even with bonus money to account for they will be able to have enough room now to recall the remaining caphit of one player without ltir.

    Mo not against acquuring a number 1 pair guy, but if Bowman still around kinda expect he tries to keep everyone except Boqvist for Gus and another body if Koekkoek not resigned. If resigning Lehner and Strome make it too hard one other may go. The way Colliton seems to think he desn’t need Kubalik makes you think he won’t be back.

    There is some size and grit coming in the system, Teply a potential power forward with skill, Entwistle good size maybe not a top 6 guy but good pk, 2way potential. Both Kurashev and Barrett have offensive skill and play with a bit of an edge.

  70. Jim Ross says the Hawks need to be bigger and faster… Faster no doubt, but bigger has proven time and again to not mean a damn thing. I think faster is also somewhat inaccurate. I think the Hawks need to be quicker. Quicker on their skates and quicker with decision making. The latter is probably more important.

    Nashville is the smallest team in the league. They’ve done pretty well the last few years. The difference between shortest and tallest is 1.5″. Dallas average weight is 2nd at 205. And be Jersey is last at 193.2.

    I wrestled bigger weight differences in middle school when I was 85 pounds…and still only lost 3 matches all year. Big deal.

    Let’s also look at recent draft and trade history. Stan has noticed his team may be on the small side. Or perhaps it’s just coincidence that players he’s recently taken are bigger.

    For reference, the average NHL forward is 72.7″ (under 6’1″). Average defenseman is 73.7″.

    Dach- 6’4
    Vlasic-6’6
    Teply-6’3
    Regula- 6’4

    Perlini had size and speed…. 11 games in Detroit. 0 goals 1 assist. I thought the Hawks should have attempted to claim or trade for Robby Fabbri. He was worth a shot. He tore the same ACL twice. Once he got out of St Louis he’s had 8 points in 7 games. Way too soon to see if that’s the norm, but kudos to the kid for toughing it out.

  71. Ian, so why even put Caggiula on IR? As I noted, it looks like the Hawks may have recalled or in the process of recalling Jacob Nilsson. The Icehogs site has him listed as in Chicago. But no other outlets have reported anything. IR his hit isn’t removed from the pool, all it does is allow an extra roster spot and they already had 1 slot available.

  72. Worth noting that the Icehogs aren’t listing any transactions relating to Nilsson so it’s probably just an error on their clunky to use site. Since the redesign it’s not user friendly.

  73. Would say it looks as if he is going to be out for awhile so the move is going to be made at some point anyways, when not a big deal.

  74. May have just got the latest report him and waited until they got it to make the move to ir, if going to be out for awhile longer.

  75. I agree Rusty.I think saying that we need Size and Speed is a little bit too simplistic.It goes alot deeper.Teams need to be heavier on their skates and consistently go to those hard areas where you are going to get hacked and hit but where the Goals are.The Hawks have not done that in about 4 years.They play hard when they are either desperate or get embarrassed.Lots of Fly By,s the net and slow to retrieve dump ins.You hate to have to look to other teams for your answers but if you watch the Bruins,Blues,Bolts,Canes,and even the Flyers you will see that every one plays hard and they control the play.That is just scratching the surface.A skilled defense that can hold onto the puck during line changes and the Stats of your #1 Center are a discussion along with having no 3rd Line.This is bad right now.

  76. Rusty they only had 22 on the roster anyways so didn’t need ir to make room for recall, coulda done that anytime if they got the capspace. Ir doesn’t help there.

  77. Ryan Carpenter is a 4th line player that kills penalties and makes 1 million bucks. League minimum is 700k. Are you really trying to say that’s a bad signing?

    Duclair was so good last year the blue jackets scratched him then traded him. After starting hot last year he had a stretch of 14 consecutive pointless games. Hull’s boy Perlini also skates like the wind…and he has size. 1 point in 11 games.

  78. Exactly Ian. It’s just an unnecessary move to make. It doesn’t save or gain cap space. And they didn’t need the roster slot.

  79. Hossa, Buff, Ladd, Frolic, Stalberg, Bickell, Bolland, Kopy, Hammer, Sopel, Eager, Sharp, Teows, Brouwer, Saad, Handzus, Vermette, Seabs, TVR…. These are just some of the people that had size and speed and some had lots of skill too. CUP winners!
    Undersized winners, Kane, Teuvo, Campbell, Richards, Keith (still over 6 feet tall), Leddy, Shaw, Madden, Desjardins, Burrish, Oduya, to name a few.
    Rusty, size and skill does matter.

    PREDS have not won anything yet..TAMPA either!
    Capitals, Kings, Hawks, Pens, Blues…all had good size combined with speed and skill. Not too many smallish Dcat type players unless your name is Super Kane!

  80. I think benching Seabrook woke him up, has played like he at least gives a damn now. Players have to be reminded from time to time what their purpose with the team is. NHL is a what have you done lately league not back in the day I was good.

  81. Crazy to think Kubalik doenst stay, he had done good. More then 15 but I guess if we have Kurachev, its about roles? I would rthare have 8 and 17 then 15 and really do not have anything agasint 15. Just think caphits and stuff.

    If were not keeping good players then the system needs to go.

  82. Does that move get that dude more salary. Be a nice reward for good playing.

    Need to have speed and be able to play hard and areas. Speed is very important now and have deep roster. Have to have lots of speed in roster.

    NAS and TAM havnt won anything yet but they are teams rosters that you want and should have won not PIT garbage. Should have been TAM NAS WAS, but the better team doesnt always win. Look at TOR BOS a yr ago and BOS STL this yr. It happens sometimes. BOS VAN.

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