Pekka Rinne Scores, Blackhawks Stay In Last Place

The Nashville Predators came into the United Center on Thursday evening in a unique position. One point ahead of the last place Blackhawks in the division, the Preds made an in-season coaching change. John Hynes was named the head coach hours before the Preds’ last game (against Boston).

Chicago came in with the opportunity to move out of the basement. Drake Cagguila returned to the lineup for the first time in almost two months; Dylan Sikura was scratched. And, for some reason, Slater Koekkoek was active in place of Dennis Gilbert. The Hawks got Robin Lehner back from his knee injury to back up Corey Crawford as well.

So the stakes were high for both sides. The Hawks came in winners of six of their last ten; Nashville was trying to find any consistency at all and impress their new coach.

How did the relatively-warm Hawks handle the dysfunctional Predators early?

Chicago coughed up three goals in the first period.

Viktor Arvidsson, Colin Blackwell and Matt Duchene scored for the Preds in the opening 20 minutes. Nashville out-shot the Hawks 12-10 in the first period. It wasn’t pretty – another reminder of how brutally inconsistent and unreliable the 2019-20 Blackhawks have been.

As they have done so many times this year, the Blackhawks gave up a big lead early and then pushed back. At 6:43 into the second period Dominik Kubalik got Chicago on the board.

Jonathan Toews and Duncan Keith were credited with assists on Kubalik’s 14th of the season.

Nashville out-shot the Hawks 13-7 in the second period but the Hawks got an important goal.

Early in the third period Roman Josi went to the box. Chicago was able to make Nashville pay. Alex DeBrincat sniped home his 11th of the season to get the Blackhawks within one.

Toews and Patrick Kane were credited with assists on DeBrincat’s power play goal.

After the DeBrincat goal, Hynes called his timeout to get the Preds together and rally his skaters.

The Hawks got another power play four minutes after the DeBrincat goal with Nick Bonino in the box for Nashville but weren’t able to convert on that advantage. John Quenneville got some run on the second power play unit early in the game but was replaced by penalty killing specialist Ryan Carpenter in the third period. The Blackhawks’ third power play of the night was a bad one that came up empty.

Chicago had a couple opportunities to get a good, clean shot off as the third period progressed but failed to pull the trigger. With 45 seconds left in regulation the Blackhawks called their timeout and kept Crawford on the bench for the extra attacker. Kirby Dach and Adam Boqvist were on the ice with DeBrincat, Kane, Toews, and Keith.

Toews won the faceoff coming out of the timeout but Filip Forsberg stole the puck and got it to Bonino who scored into the empty net to give Nashville a two-goal lead with 36 seconds left.

Crawford sprinted to the bench after the faceoff following the goal and Nashville scored another empty net goal.

Adding insult to injury, this goal came off the stick of Pekka Rinne.

The 198-foot goal for Nashville’s netminder cemented the victory.

Toews skated 20:59 in the game, his second multi-point game of the calendar year. Chicago’s captain now has 31 points in 34 games since Nov. 1 after posting only two points in 11 games in October. He won 13 of 21 faceoffs and was credited with two hits and one blocked shot as well.

Kubalik was fantastic – but couldn’t get on the ice in the final minute.

Dach skated 19:20 and put four shots on net with three hits but finished the night minus-two.

Caggiula skated 11:13 in his return from a concussion. He was credited with four hits. Matthew Highmore was limited to a team-low 7:59 on the ice. Quennville skated 9:24.

After receiving the most ice time of his career in the Hawks’ previous game, Boqvist was limited to 17:41 on Thursday night. He was credited with two hits and two blocked shots.

Koekkoek had four hits in 17:00.

There’s absolutely no excuse for the Blackhawks to come out as flat as they did in the first period. The Hawks fought back, but to dig a three-goal hole in a game you had to have at home against a team that made a coaching change because things are so bad is unacceptable.

92 thoughts on “Pekka Rinne Scores, Blackhawks Stay In Last Place

  1. Boqvist got man handled on two of the goals. Boqvist needs some weight room time. Keith got owned on one. The first period was really poor. In addition, the amount of room the Preds had was far too generous as they attacked the goal. On the second goal, it appeared that Crawford lost his bearings because he gave a lot of goal at which to shoot. It would have been hard to miss.

    Kubalik was a beast and Dach had beast moments as well. Kane bungled a couple opportunities, one very late in the game on the 3 on 2. You rarely see him misread a play like that. It almost always winds up being a dangerous opportunity.

    We can do nothing but praise them for the third. They owned the Preds and they battled and battled and battled wining puck after puck. You can make the case that they shouldn’t have been in the position they were in, but they were and they decided to fight rather than pout.

    Yes, DeBrincat cashed on the PP but the PP is still not good. There are still occasions where it is a heart breaker and emboldens the opposition.

    Once again, the Hawks just aren’t good enough or mature enough to win these kinds of games but their spirit was admirable. I am beginning to question whether Colliton is the problem. He found lines that worked tonight and they are playing hard for him when they face adversity. I did not understand the Gilbert scratch. He has had two decent games since the abomination a couple games ago. But maybe he is doing things the coaches tell him not to do. We can’t know.

    The learning continues.

    The Hawks were fortunate to escape the second down 2.

  2. Operative words by Tab: “coaching change”.

    If we are polite, that’s what we classify Colliton as.

    Bowman should be ashamed of himself. The higher ups need to eliminate him. – from his job – like in that recent movie:

    “It’s what it is”.

  3. In that building with a sellout every game it blows the mind on how a team continually comes out with no urgency,jump,or defensive responsibility in their game.You can toss the whole D Core into the trash can for this night.They were all terrible chasing their checks haphazardly wandering around the D zone then taking turns at throwing hand grenade passes at each others feet.The league has caught on to 27 and knows that he cant play defense on his own or come back efficiently to defend on the powerplay.As I watched Bonino outskate him for the 4th goal I thought of a previous question I had.Where is this kids elite skating ability with speed.Hang on a second,I think 19 just butchered another 3 on 2.Please dont give me his 2 assists,he lost the puck on the 1st goal and was bailed out by 8.On the 2nd goal nobody knows what the hell Rinne was doing.8 belongs on the ice at the end of a game when you need a goal.22 does not.77 finally was dangerous and shot the puck.He has a great shot and should continue to shoot it.92 was a non factor as he just wont drive the net and refuses to find the areas to get a shot off.I was relieved to see Coach Colliton smiling and joking with the refs as he was trying to figure out how to call his timeout at the end there.Its nice when one is comfortable and does not let the little things like losing a home hockey game bother him too much.

  4. PEKKA RENNE has more goals than Quenneville and just as many as Sikura!
    We all saw when the GEEK coach finally listened to 88 and let him skate with 19 in the 3rd period instead of playing with 22 and 92/95/91!!! A real joke this coach and the GM is just as bad.
    As mentioned he drafted 4 dmen the last 2 seasons, traded one away, then signs 2 vet dmen, trades Perlini for another dman….. pays a backup goalie $5million (he will want to be traded) and I guess he has a bunch or world class forward ROSPECTS he’s drafted the last 3-4 years in College hockey or in Rockford or CHL? Answer is NOOOOOO WAY!
    Pretty embarassing when you have to get excited about 36, 64, 91, 92, 22, 15, 95…..???
    Justin Holl is plus 16 in Toronto?
    Duclair how many goals?
    Schmaltz top scorer in Arizona?
    Danault 11 goals and #4 in faceoffs in the NHL?
    Shaw up to his 4th or 5th concussion?
    Panic playing regular shift in Washington?
    Teuvo?
    Buff?
    Vinny H?
    Perlini? oh yeah Sikura is much better?

    Fleishmann out of hockey?
    Wiese?
    Knott?
    Louis?
    Hagel?
    Iacopelli?
    Nalimov?
    Peeters?
    Thx Stan Bowman! Thx Colliton and whomever your assistant coaches are! Mark Kelley, you’re the best! Pieere Gauthier a legend, ask anyone”!

    GO HAWKS

    Fire Coach , GM and McDo!
    Time to have a new president!

    Mark Hunter, Dale Hunter, Peter Laviolette….all real hockey men available!

  5. Not impressed that they could play a good third but suck for two prior periods

    The urgency like the last two periods of the CGY game wasn’t there until the third – do they not realize they should be playing desperate all game long at this point?

    Some of that is on JC for not putting 88 with 19 until it was basically too late

    I notice that Tampa has a top line of Stamkos -Point – Kucherov and are winning hockey games. Cooper is not spreading out his best players, he’s putting them together
    So what is this obsession with keeping 19 and 88 apart? I know we don’t have a lot of depth but with all the injuries the best chance the Hawks have is for 19 and 88 to lead the way

    No coincidence that when JC put them together the team got going but alas the damage was done

  6. Some of the top centers in this league have 6 to 10 shots on goal each game along with 3-4 point games.Sorry but you got to get more than 1 shot on goal in a game when you are on the ice over 20 minutes in that game.Too many other forwards not getting anything.64,92,36,15,47,77 you have to find some goals in there somewhere.It can’t be nightly zeroes across the board.

  7. White Rhino is better then cig.

    Guess Rhinne wasnt suppose to take/think about that goal by Seabs anymore.

  8. The pregame report quoted the new Nashville coach as saying their intention was to move the puck as quickly and strongly up the ice as they could, right out of the gate. The Blackhawks started off by, apparently by design, playing a deliberate dump and chase offensive strategy. Right away, at the blue line, boom …. dumped down to either side of Rinne. Problem was nobody was going to get it and Nashville retrieved.

    People talk about speed. There’s also quickness. They are not the same thing. One element of quickness is actually moving your body toward the puck when it is free. From my spot in the 300 level I watched play after play after play where a puck was seemingly there, and a Blackhawk player acted as if it was a turd and he didn’t want to get his stick dirty. This includes the third period where Colliton said the Blackhawks took over the game. I did not see it that way. Too many unforced errors, whiffs, failing to keep the puck in, sloppiness. Opportunities not taken advantage of. Plays not made.

    Kane had some sloppiness in his game tonight. A number of players seemed to be in cement. I agree that the 2nd and 3rd were better than the first, but I’m not buying that the whole problem was the horrific first period. The first period was horrific, don’t get me wrong. But the Blackhawks weren’t world beaters the last 40 minutes.

    Frustrating team to watch. It is not a cohesive unit by any stretch of the imagination. And once again, the “too many men on the ice” penalty. For God’s sake, how many times is that going to happen.

    Venting some frustration of my own here. This team is not going to make the playoffs in all likelihood, I realize that. But you want to see better effort. And you want to see better structure.

    Sorry Stan, the team is not playing some its best hockey of the season right now.

  9. The Ducks are coming in Saturday night on the 1st game of a road trip with some head hunters who play a very physical game.Good luck and keeps your heads on a swivel boys.

  10. It’s sad when the things that are celebrated are “Sikura first goal” and the “return of Cagguila”. In the grand scheme, it means zero. Sign that this team has very little talent.

    Sorry, but reason why Kubalik scored is because Towes drove to the net. An assist is an assist. Much better than most of the players tonight.

  11. I remember Gilbert going off the ice a few games ago with what appeared to be a shoulder injury. Just guessing – but maybe it is time for him to rest it up and get it to heal. Thus, the night off. He definitely hasn’t been physical since that game. Someone else also mentioned this a few threads ago.

    The bright side tonight – we showed Nashville that they are still better than the cellar, and maybe we gave them some confidence to go kick some butt. Jump start their second half as long as we don’t care about ours.

    Another horrible coaching job. Had the stars over-passing the puck and the Dmen giving it to Nashville. I thought they likely made their coach happiest by following his instructions when two Dmen turned the puck over within 5 feet of our net, in about 3 seconds, before it ended up behind Corey for goal number 2. That was a thing of beauty. Congrats guys! You get stars next to your name for following the coach’s orders best!

    Maybe someone should post the start time for Saturday’s game in the Hawks’ locker room so they all know when the other team will begin playing.

  12. Love reading the comments- particularly the PASSIONATE ones- it’s the fuel for motivation. Drive comes from within- being paid to do your job at 110% should be motivation enough. Cohesion comes from the coach- knowing who to have, with whom, at the right time and place.
    As one of my favorite managers said “we hire motivated people- our job, as leaders, is not to de-motivate them!”
    Reading the comments serves to highlight the continued days- functionality of an organization- that starts in the front office, is transmitted by the coach and left to the players to overcome, despite injuries etc.
    It’s a shame to have a guy up and play him 7 mins a game?!

  13. Keep giving 19 a pass on his game.Its what this organization counts on.Hell,they even had him as the High Flying Hawk of the game on NBC’s Sportchannel.Do yourself a favor then,dont check those yucky Nhl Stats that track little things like Goals,Assists,Shots on Goal.Also when other #1 and #2 Centers play,close your eyes.Thats how you get to reside in last place.

  14. When Dach plays his 40th game tomorrow night it start the clock on his countdown to ufa. He will become an ufa when he’s 25. Boqvist needs 20 more games and he will ufa eligible when he is 26. As for last nights game, one step closer to another top 10 or better pick i guess. Don’t know why the players didn’t get Kubalik hottest scorer not named Kane, out at the end to give themselves a better chance to tie it, just don’t care i guess.

  15. @Hull 65. Sums it up nicely But left out what killed this team was swapping Panarin. 24 goals. That was the trade to give the cry baby Capt back a player he had to help him get back his form after being brutal for 3 years. And I suggested of trading Capt cry baby back then before that trade happened. In last 5 years of Bowman this teams is exactly where they should be cuz GM put them there ! And to think how many more years a new GM needs to fix it. Put a fork in this team it’s Done. Ha TAB get this man a cigar. Dead on correct !!!!!!

  16. When the game starts they should play the Benny Hill theme song, it would be absolutely perfect for this shit show

  17. Find it funny during 2nd and 3rd periods when they interview an assistant coach, Brookbank stated that the Hawks need to dump and chase the puck, first 3 dumps in the 3rd, Hawks dumped and changed lines???? Hawks are not a dump and chase team…….When the Hawks scored and were putting pressure o the Preds, the Preds called time out and everyone of the players was listening to the coach…..ours can not even get the players attention………mass exit at coaching is needed……..not engaged/uninspired/lack of production/

  18. When healthy if we play a fast non physical team.
    20 19 88
    12 17 8
    92 77 95
    47 22 64

    2 56
    27 5
    68 6

    When we play a physical team
    8 19 88
    12 17 2o
    47 77 91
    36 22 15

    2 56
    27 5
    39 68

    Just play out the season. See if we catch some chemistry somewhere. Roster will and should have a different look after TDL. Play all the kids after TDL. Repeat. Play each and every kid after TDL.

    (Singing) ” Do you know the way to Lafriene”

  19. Oh Ian, we all know why Kubalik wasn’t out there at the end – He’s an AHL player. He wasn’t available to the team. We already had a couple of AHL players out there. Lineup was full. Too many AHL players takes away from some fans enjoying the game, especially at those prices.

    Eventually, and that may be sooner than manglement likes, current ticket prices are going to affect the amount of seats getting filled. The fans will cast their vote on the state of affairs. Unfortunately, so few seats are left open through the year for sales to fans, unless you like the resale market. So that means manglement makes their money anyway, but loses out on the very profitable concessions market. Haven’t looked lately. How is the resale market doing anyway? Back to face value like the start of the year now that the holidays are over?

    The time is getting closer. Decisions will need to be made.

  20. The best part about the 1st period was the guy holding a sign behind Chris Boden during the intermission that read “Epstein didn’t kill himself”

  21. Big crowd at the UC game last night, although strangely there were 3 empty boxes behind the Club level where I sit. Hawks fans arrived hoping to see their team put out a strong effort against a divisional rival were yet again sorely disappointed with a half ass effort and an especially tepid start by the home team. For all the decades of watching Chicago Blackhawks hockey I can never remember a team that played with so little passion to start home games, or over 60 minutes with such inconsistent play. Yet on the road they strangely appear to be more motivated and come ready to play. Watching Kane, as brilliant a player as he is, last night he seemed to lapse back into pouting mode for whatever reason. Yes, as the game wore on the Hawks cast off the life support system, found some jump and put decent pressure on Rinne, but clearly Nashville as a team looked more motivated out there. Some brutal Hawks D zone play gave the Preds their 3 goal lead in the 1st. Even the best teams in the league can’t spot an opponent a 3 goal lead to start a game and hope to come back. That game last night was essentially over after 10-15 minutes, although I thought they would tie it up in the 3rd. Too little too late, and too little passion over 60 minutes. Rinne tally with time running out was a screw you message goal if I ever saw one.

    Nice to see Caggs back. Kubalik really gaining confidence and is rounding into a solid offensive threat. I like how he is strong on the puck and goes hard to the net. His quick shot release gives keepers trouble. D cat PP goal was pretty and he showed good patience against Rinne who seems to over commit and lose his net alot. I thought Rinne looked very beatable last night, but hey he got the W.

    In the end we are just hockey fans. We want our team to put out a strong effort win or lose. Too many games this year, the effort from this Hawks team just isn’t consistently there at HOME GAMES?? This team can play well, seemingly when they want to. What the hell is going on the rest of the time? Yes, injuries make for roster juggling, but all teams deal with this. I hold the players, the coaching staff and management accountable for this. It’s not good enough.

    Let’s Go Hawks!

  22. A couple of things…

    a.) I love the Benny Hill reference. This is why I think this is the best sounding board in the NHL. Great analogy!

    b.) In regards to speed, there are three types of speed, and having just one is not enough. You must have at least another skill to be successful in the NHL. First, there is Physical Speed, where you can skate by everyone, think Alexandre Fortin. But, you must have something else to go along with that physical speed like great hands, a solid shot, smarts, physicality, or just winning battles on the boards. Then, there is mental speed, where you have great instincts and smarts that allow you to get open or get to the right spot for rebounds, or making the right pass at the right time. Think, Brad Richards or Antoine Vermette. The final is technical speed. Great stick work will allow you extra time to make the right pass, or the ability to create enough space to get your shot off. But, you must have something else to go along with this ability. Like being smart enough to make the right pass, or having a precise shot with enough power to beat a GK, etc…

    What I am seeing is that the Hawks have players with just one type of speed, and are lacking in other areas. Nylander is a perfect example. He has enough speed, but lacks a complimentary skill to be effective.

  23. @TIM

    We know you have disdain for all things Toews. We get it. But if you look at the stats, as you suggest, over Toews’ career, he’s in line to do what he’s always done.

    http://www.espn.com/nhl/player/stats/_/id/3669/jonathan-toews

    The goals are down this year. But if you look at assists per games played, points per games played, SOG per games played …. he’s not that off the mark. And he definitely has been playing with better teams in the past. Some nights he’s trying and there is just no one there.

    If your argument is that there are now centers in this league who rack up bigger numbers, and that the game has changed, then I’ll go along with that. Absolutely. But you are pinning a lot of this years’ woes on Toews. He, and Kane, need some more help. And, news flash, he’s not going anywhere. He’s not getting traded. He’s not getting sat. He’s not getting bumped down in the lines. And he shouldn’t be. I love your passion but I’m not worried about Toews like I’m worried about the organization as a whole. And if you want to toss him out, well God help the Blackhawks when it comes to success at the dot.

    He’s played a lot of hockey over 13 seasons, with lots of heavy playoff action. His numbers have been relatively consistent over time. He’s not this team’s problem. I do respect your opinions though. I just agree to disagree. Nothing personal.

  24. Big Indian,Very good points.I dont have a disdain per se for 19.The stats though are glaring.Time has passed him by.It is just confusing to me his lack of getting to the slot areas.We hear players all the time state that the only time they become concerned is when they are not getting the chances.Especially on a team like this,he has to be a lot more active.As I have stated many times,this team is missing at least 2 centers.Why is he not being double shifted like 88?He has 106 shots on goal and 10 Goals.92nd in the league.I agree that there are a team full of players with terrible stats here.Hopefully things get better for him.

  25. Surface hockey stats don’t always show effectiveness. Back-checking, position, defensive game, short-handed leadership, face-offs in the D zone, subtleties with board battles, being hard to knock off the puck – I would argue Towes and Saad are the only ones with that quality.

  26. Guys
    I live out of state, so getting to the UC happens seldom, especially with the prices they want for a crappy hockey team.

    You guys have the power.
    Unite.
    Usc social media and signage while attending the games to demand change.

    Rocky was a man of the people when I lived in Chi.

    I am sure he will notice the united fan displeasure from his seat in Sec 119.

  27. @TIM ….. I do agree with your assessment of Toews and others not getting into the slot area. Whether that is due to advice from coaches, past concussions, etc., I am a little confused as to why players aren’t getting “in there”. As an example, I am continually confused on the PP setup. There are times when Toews, or whichever other player is playing that role, will line up in front of the net. However, when the puck gets moved to the wing, he’ll immediately drop out and to this side at net level or just below. He’s an outlet there, but he’s no longer providing a screen or interfering with the defenseman(men). To me, that scheme just takes them out of an opportunity to shoot the puck.

    If the puck does go down to Toews after he shifts out, it has to be moved very quickly to him and with someone moving into an open high slot position to be available for the puck to be delivered. The plan appears to be for a tic tac toe play that progresses rapidly without giving the defense/goalie time to react. Problem is, I think I’ve seen it happen once this year on the PP with Shaw and Strome and someone else.

    With the players not doing a whole lot of cycling on the PP, there is just a lot of dead time. Gone are the days when Keith would move laterally, fake a shot, and then move again to allow a screen or out of place defenseman to allow for a hard shot to be taken from up top. It’s tedious, and the defense can either choose to come out and get in the Blackhawk players’ faces, or just sit back and clog everything up. Lord that is frustrating to watch.

    This overall lack of movement, on the PP and with even strength, is killing the ability to get shots off that aren’t blocked or aren’t right in the goalie’s breadbasket. Defenders are being very aggressive on the forecheck on the PP and on even strength because they can. I put this on the players, but I also put this on the coaching. I don’t understand the lack of movement and spacing that is taking place, regardless of who is on the ice.

    I can tell you, the crowd gets really, really restless watching this transpire game in and game out. It’s exasperating. I can’t figure out if the players are trying to implement coaching direction and not deviate, because they aren’t usually ones to throw anyone else under the bus, or what.

    I’m getting riled up thinking about this. Time to stop. Still, Go Blackhawks!!!!

  28. Just my $.02. My problem with Colliton is the lack of urgency/fire he shows. Nashville gives up 2 goals and the new coach goes to time out to ratchet up his team. Jeremy on the other hand looks like Gomer Pile. Now, that steady hand and even keel demeanor work for the young guys, keeps them steady and focused. The older guys need a shoe in the ass sometimes and he isn’t capable of delivering it. No sense of urgency, drive or will until they are up against it and that comes from the players not the coach. Maybe the problem is that this team has vets and a lot of youth, little in the middle. Coach Pile needs to find a way to ratchet up the intensity. Game to game, shift to shift, it just isn’t there.

  29. The sooner they can sign Lehner (if he wants to be in CHI) and make Crow available at the TDL the better

    I’d hate to trade Saad but I would understand the rationale – if they do the return had better be worth it

    Before he was hurt Saad was their most consistently hard working FW and he’s still only 27 with another year after this left on his deal – over the summer or next year’s TDL might be a better time to trade him if he’s not part of the future

    IMO he’s not so over paid that you need to move on from him – I’d keep him

    On the other hand Gus has to go and if they could get decent value for Shaw or Maatta they could also go

  30. Does Dach get knocked around like a ragdoll every game? I see some promise in his play but yikes! Are there any accurate stats on how many times a player is hit with what looks like a big hit? Have to wonder which player would lead the Blackhawks

    Is it too early to talk about hypothetical situations for the Seattle draft?

    I get hulls complaint about paying so much for a backup but this goaltending duo is the reason the team is not last in the league. Resign Lenner and try to keep Crow or let Crow eat up a huge chunk of cap space on another team. Some team will pay him top dollar….I’ll gladly thank Crow for the cups and be happy he gets paid well elsewhere.

  31. JC needs to wake up from his nap and split up Keith and Boqvist. They are just insanely bad together on the defensive end.

    Even when they are not handing over goals (like they did on the first 2 last night) they are dishing out pants-crapping chances.

  32. Big Indian,Right on the money with the PP breakdown.I am sure that you take in other teams around the league like I do.They all not only get within 2 inches of the goalie taking away his eyes but they utilize the high slot bumper position as their go to for quality shots if the point man cant get it through.The Boqvist or Gus alone as a single high point man has to end.Neither of them is capable of getting back after a turnover and watching them skate makes me wonder about their straight line skating or desire.All i could figure for now is toss Smith and or Quenneville out there with instructions to place themselves in the goalies lap.Put Toews or Kubalik in the bumper position and have the others move and exchange spots in the zone.

  33. Wrap if they trade Saad hope it’s too Edmonton and get Bouchard. Play him with Keith and Boqvist, Murphy together, move Gus and Matta. With potential Bouchard and Boqvist top pairing at some point. May need to make another add at some point or maybe with Mitchell and Regula or somebody else end up with good problem, but at least addressing a need right now.
    With 8, 19, 88 and 12, 77, 17 gives a couple of solid lines and a good basis in house for a checking line. From now until next season work at finding another line with scoring ability that plays physical. Evaluate whats available and make the adds needed, maybe draft lucky again but a stretch likely, maybe Crawford can land a good young forward that fits the mold wanted, resign Lehner. Some fringe players should be shopped too. Leave the off ice rants for another time.

  34. Big Indian that’s what I liked about Shaw when he was on pp, he was always in front stirring the pot and causing screens and havoc.

  35. Folks, I think we all need to see what Tab has done here and finally start pushing this narrative. We post on here constantly about Lines, Colliton, Bowman, Regression, Coaching Changes, GM Firing, Defensive Strageties, Eye Test, etc, etc, etc. The bottom line is nothing is changing and we are celebrating Sikura’s first goal and Concussions proned players getting back in the lineup…. From the post yesterday there isn’t alot of prospects to get excited about, probably why Boqvist and Dach are in the lineup. I also think Colliton is the coach to dump. I also think putting Kane with Carpenter and Sikura is a tell tail sign we are dumping. I don’t have a problem with dumping and loosing games to have a shot at Alexis Lafrenière. However do any of us think Bowman will make the correct moves, and lets not kid ourselves these moves coming up will be critical.

    So what I mean by pushing Tab’s narrative from the headline above, and post it everywhere on social media to your friends wherever.

    THE HAWKS ARE STILL IN LAST PLACE and miss the playoffs for what will be 3 seasons in a row.

  36. Espo – it was obvious a long time ago that pairing Keith with an offensive minded Dman was a bad idea, well expressed here over the last 18 months. It’s a pairing that never happened in the cup run times because it is an insane idea. Seabrook was the ‘fixer’ on that pairing and without a fixer, there is frequently a mess left behind. Keith pairs much more favorably with deHaan (I guess that’s out of the question) or Murphy. Even Maata is a better idea than Boqvist, who struggles enough on his own, let alone being asked to cover for the shifly adventures of 2. Unfortunately for Boqvist. that elite skating everyone raved about hasn’t materialized yet. Perhaps down the road, but right now his defensive coverage and recovery is average at best and doesn’t match up well with 2 for a partner. All the predictions of him as a top pairing next year tells me nobody on this board is serious about getting back to the playoffs next year either. If 2 and 27 are the top pair, the fans WILL be tuning out.

    As Knox stated above, it certainly doesn’t appear the manglement is serious when they say the playoffs are the goal. The line combos are and have been a mess most of the year, the pairings just as bad, and the power play an insult to hockey people. You simply cannot have everything go through 88 on the pp and have a left-handed shot as the bumper. It doesn’t and WON’T work. Tic-Tac-oh wait. I need to spin 180 degrees to get into a shooting position. Okay, ready. Toe. Finally we have a righty there (Dcat) sometimes, with better balance in players, but still the belief that we can create passing lanes by standing still. Teams can’t honestly be this bad in simple and obvious ways without doing it on purpose, can they?

    Can a group of guys ever be less prepared to start games than this group? It is embarrassing as a fan. It ought to be as a player too. Asking them to work harder on defense created a huge uproar at the beginning of the year, and it has been pretty much downhill since.

    It certainly is getting so annoying to watch that it is very easy to believe it is on purpose.

  37. Saw on the NHL Network crawler that Lehner won’t give a discount to Chicago. Here’s a story I found about the topic. Link and text.

    https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/blackhawks/robin-lehner-discusses-contract-status-and-whether-hed-be-open-re-signing-blackhawks

    Blackhawks GM Stan Bowman isn’t one to negotiate contracts with players through the media. So it wasn’t surprising when he, earlier in the week, declined to discuss the statuses of the Blackhawks’ pending restricted and unrestricted free agents out of respect for the process.

    Perhaps the biggest name of that group is Robin Lehner, who will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season for the third straight year. He signed a one-year, $5 million deal with the Blackhawks on July 1 and has been worth every penny.

    With the window to begin negotiating contract extensions with pending UFAs having opened on Jan. 1, Lehner was asked after Friday’s optional practice whether he’d be open to discussing an extension in the middle of the season.

    “I’d definitely be open to it,” Lehner said. “But let the agents and Stan figure that out. It’s a different summer this summer than last summer. Me personally, another year under my belt in my new journey. The market is wide open. There’s a lot of teams that need goalies. It’s not that many goalies that are available this season. So I mean we’ll see what happens.

    “All I know is, I really like it here. I’ve learned enough. This is a business and no matter how good things are going, how well you like it, sometimes it’s not up to you and it’s not in your control. But I know where I stand, and I really like this team and I still really believe in this team and the pieces this team has. Would like to be a part of the turnaround.”

    Lehner was also asked a follow-up question on whether he’d consider taking a discount to remain in Chicago and sounded like a guy who just wants to be paid market value for the first time in his career, both in dollars and in term.

    “I’ve taken discounts my whole life,” said Lehner, who ranks No. 10 in NHL history with a .918 save percentage. “I’m not a guy that wants to be overpaid either. I want to gain some respect that I think I deserve and we’ll see if that happens or not. We’ll see what happens.”

    If the Blackhawks aren’t prepared to pay him, somebody else will. And if they’re still serious about being playoff contenders for years to come, it would be wise of the Blackhawks to do everything they can to lock up Lehner on a long-term extension sooner than later because it will be a bidding war for his services if he gets to July 1.

  38. I know it is not going to happen but I would rather see this organization invest in rebuilding this team with a group of solid players that play a system that does not require a goaltender standing on his head to make them competitive.For the price tags of Lehner and Crawford they could have a #2 and #3 Center and a defensive 3rd line forward.Combine that with moving out Maata,Smith,Carpenter,Shaw and either Seabrook or Dehann not coming back along with getting lucky in the Draft Lottery and the rebuild is in full swing.With the current President and General Manager none of this is going to happen.Well thats what dreams are for.

  39. Hawks demise starts with Bowman and not the cry baby captain. He is a competitor and last season had a career year playing alongside Kane again. So what does C0lliton do? Split them apart! Why? The rest of the roster apart from 12, 77, 20, 17 is pathethic!
    Bowamna makes terrible trades and terrible draft picks
    and today, we heard Lehner tell Bowman I won’t take a discount! Of course not especially with a bad team. What a waste paying $5million for a backup instead of signing a forward.

  40. Hopefully they resign Lehner, getting to be a team in the mix is attainable with the right player moves. Being a juggernaut on the brink of a dynasty is not anywhere in the near future.

  41. Tommy, good thought on speed, with examples.
    Indian, good post on Tazer.
    Tim, your tight we do not have a full lineup of 12 FWs and that makes a difference.

    Dach doesnt have that many pts, and so didnt Saad his first 40/50 games and he played with 19 81 when they were amazing.

  42. You are right Hull.
    Toews is not the problem. The guy plays hard. Lots of Hossa in his game now.

    The GM makes lousy decisions when trying to build a team on his own.

    The coach makes lousy decisions with his line combos, d-pairings, and scratches.

    Until those two go, all the other comments about trades, prospects, Panarin and ice time are just mashed potatoes and stuffing to the problematic turkey on the table.

  43. This is good way right here.
    IAN
    January 10, 2020 at 2:16 pm
    Wrap if they trade Saad hope it’s too Edmonton and get Bouchard. Play him with Keith and Boqvist, Murphy together, move Gus and Matta. With potential Bouchard and Boqvist top pairing at some point. May need to make another add at some point or maybe with Mitchell and Regula or somebody else end up with good problem, but at least addressing a need right now.
    With 8, 19, 88 and 12, 77, 17 gives a couple of solid lines and a good basis in house for a checking line. From now until next season work at finding another line with scoring ability that plays physical. Evaluate whats available and make the adds needed, maybe draft lucky again but a stretch likely, maybe Crawford can land a good young forward that fits the mold wanted, resign Lehner. Some fringe players should be shopped too. Leave the off ice rants for another time.

  44. If Lehner wont take a discount. Thats good, then that means he is wants to stay and we should pay his caphit no matter what it is, per say.

    Hes young and has lots of good yrs. Do it do it.

  45. Knox, tank ufas and tank coaches? or should respectfully say tank system.

    Shh do not say, hardest by far division in league, when posting or holding up last place team signs.

  46. Watched a period of Ian Mitchell tonight.He has some wheels and closing speed.Much better skater and defender than Boqvist.Alot more aggressive and defensively aware.I know it was against St Cloud State but he stands out.

  47. Even if Bowman still wants to run for the playoffs and not be in sell mode, he still has the option to move Crawford at the deadline. With the modified NTC there are 10 teams Crawford could choose ….. but just what could Stan get for a 35 year old rental?

    I do think there are teams that could definitely use Crawford. He’s a proven guy in the playoffs and goodness knows that there would be better overall team defense in front of him compared to what he’s experienced so far this season. But again, what could Stan get? Could he really obtain picks and/or young prospects that could really help the team in the future? I’m going to be really interested to see just how Bowman handles this situation. I don’t want to see Bowman just give him up for nothing of real substance. If that’s the case, he should just ride with him the rest of the year. Let him go as an UFA, and then use that money in the offseason for something of lasting value.

  48. Jim totally agree. Ian I think it’s wishful thinking that Holland would trade Bouchard for Saad. Holland has stated he won’t give up his prospects. The only one he may is PujjArvi ( sorry for the bad spelling of his name). I would love to see Bouchard as a Hawk.

  49. A team that is close, or doesnt have a good winning goalie (like STL didnt or simliar), or other.

    TOR has a good goalie but he cant win game 7, ever. Thats a good top 10 team that could use a top 10 goalie, thats a winning goalie. Not just Cup sinning but playoff winner and in game 7s.

    Any other team like TOR, thats a top 10 team or top 15 team that doesnt have a top 10 goalie should trade for Crow because it gives them a chance.

    TOR for example no chance of winning without a really good goalie. Team like TB BOS have top goalies already.

    Has to be a team like TOR, maybe CAR, ARI. That are close or getting close to close. Would like to help these teams with Crow Saad other.
    For team that are good but not close, PHI?, EDM, CAL.

    Like you said has to good enough return, cant let these players walk for free. These top 10-15 teams that are clsoe will pay enough. Remember ARI CAR are good trade relations. So they will pay, like we did with Vermette.

  50. Would be good to help ARI, with 50 and 20, to beat VEG.
    Would be good to help CAR, with 50 and 20, to beat PIT.

  51. You can see NAS being this yrs STL. Having a top 5 or so team, just not really ‘playing’ anymore since 2017.

    After being the best team in hockey, since Blackhawks 2015, TB hasnt won anything yet. Just like WAS didnt after being top 5 for yrs, then just won all of sudden on a yr they wernt as deep.

    Watch TB win Cup this yr. NAS is primed to do a STL, roster wise.

    I would say just like how WAS did after being that good then not as deep then win. It TB turn to do the same thing.

    TB wins the 2020 Stanley Cup.

  52. With his age and injury history, don’t expect Crawford to fetch higher than a late 2nd rd pick. Lehner may get you an early 2nd rd. It may be worth it because re-signing him will be north of $5M/4-5 yrs. Hawks have many holes and cap space is limited, thanks to that knuckle-headed Seabrook contract and the very risky trade for Shaw.

  53. Mo,No way on Nashville.Their team is nothing like last years Blues.Their defense is short about 3 and their centers are offensive front runners.We all know what a mess their goalie situation is in.Last night half of their players on ice were playing a zone while the rest were chasing man to man.If it’s possible,I think they are in a worst cap hell than the Hawks.

  54. Hawks need Seabrook and Shaw to retire and then move Smith,Carpenter,Maata,and Crawford out.I understand wanting Lehner but if it’s a rebuild,I would not tie up 4 years of Contract money.He is a big and heavy goal tender.His health may be a roll of the dice.
    .

  55. Boys, I may be wrong but with a young coach like JC a GM like Stan has the upper hand and can basically tell JC what to do and when to do it.

    When Q was here, he would tell SB what he needed and who he wanted on the roster. JC has no idea what or who he wants because he has very little NHL experience.

    If this is true we are in big trouble because Stan has no clue as to the proper players to trade for, free agents to acquire or hiring a coach that can figure out what to do at the NHL level.

    This team is Jekyl and Hyde, you have no idea what you are going to get out of them on any given night. Injuries and youth aside, we deserve better!!

  56. Tim Seabrook and Shaw not likely to retire and leave millions owed to them on the table, who would. Most likely ltir until contract is up if unable to play. If rebuild means moving 19, 88, & 2, not going to happen, with this front office and owner anyways.

    Who would you add this summer if, 2, 5, 7, 27, 39, 44 are 6 of your D, plus a backup goalie from Rfd., takes up 25m. Forwards under contract 12, 19, 22, 64, 65, 77 & 88 come in at 35m. That’s about 60m, leaves roughly 24m to add 7 fwds,( 2 or 3 likely minimum type caphit, resign 17 and 8 in there too), 1 starting goalie and a decision on 1 more defenseman. Ltir is unknown if it is available for all season right now, but could change things if it is.

  57. Agree with NAS on goalie. DIdnt know they had 3 D out. Thought they always had there great 4 Defensemen. Which is the core of there team.

    For not resigning Lehner because of other players caphits. We get rid of 6 65 15 others and sign Lehner to what ever he wants/what is fair.

    We should not not keep the better players because were at the cap and then keep the players that are not longterm players. Thats backwards.

    Get rid of 6 65 15 other caphits and there is enough cap space to sign any player in the league. Two Bread mans if we really wanted.

  58. Ltir those guys if they are banged up and cant play anymore. Get rid of the extras we added, for short term. 6 15 65.

    22 40 8 should stay.

    If we keep 6 15 65 56 and let 50 40 22 go, then people need to be hanged.

  59. Mo 65 either ltir or plays, don’t see them finding a team to take him right now, anyways. If ltir issue, may run a couple of years using ltir space instead of giving up prospects to move a couple of contracts.

  60. Incredible coast to coast goal by Ian Mitchell last night for Denver while short handed. Google it.

    He will be in the Hawks top 6 next year. Book it.

  61. If this team is going to transform itself it is going to need hardcore strong personalities in that locker room.On the list of d men I would say 2,5,and 27 would be all that would be back and that’s assuming 27 makes huge strides in the offseason.Ian Mitchell looks further along and more dynamic than he does.If there is a new management team here 64,22,and 17 are gone.With the Cap realities you can keep 17 or 40 not both.I also think 20 will be dealt.There are too many nice guys who are comfortable in this locker room.Sounds like the Doug Wilson speech from a few years ago.We need hockey players not media darlings.

  62. Tim saying who you would keep without the reality of how you’re going to replace the others isn’t what i meant. Dehaan cost Forsling and Forsberg, his value isn’t any higher, so return there is low. Was wondering who you would buuld the roster with and you would get them.

    Mitchell looks great, have watched a fair bit of him lately, but Nhl is faster paced and bigger forwards, likely quite an adjustment for him to adapt his game. Maybe by mid season but making roster out if camp, with his style of game may be a big ask.

  63. Like Ians plan for roster/trades.

    original, not going agaisnt what your saying just think we need to force the roster caphits wise and make it happen. Trade/get rid of the extras-not long term players and sign/resign the better players. Not let being at the cap get in our way. make it happen.

    I have liked Mitch from the start and been stoaked about him for yrs. 8 had that buzz from the start to.

    Maybe 27 ends up being a really good/top notch 2nd pair D, with Mitch and Bouchard being top pair for longterm.

  64. The cap realities are full, if we keep 6 15 65 56 and others.

    I am saying get rid of those players, and maybe get return for 50 20 17 and thats that much more cap space.

    6 15 65 56 50 20 17, ans 7 on ltir with current caphits, frees up 25.26m (32.16m counting 7s ltir) in cap space for use to use not be strapped down on.

    4.1, 3.2, 3.9, 1.2, 6.0, 6.0, .86, 6.9m

    If we cannot make roster good with 25.26m in cap space, 32.16m counting 7s ltir, then yes were in trouble.

    And that is leaving 5m for Lehner. So of he wants 7m/yr so be it, do it do it. We would still have 30.16 m in cap space to fill out the roster.

  65. Whats good is we know we have good Defensemen coming. The Horsemen.

    Everything else needs the Wirtz reset. Maybe a ‘tank system’ is best thing for the rebuild because it gets another top 5 skill draft player. If BoQ isint and Mitch is, same difference we get one. Need another for longterm core.

    Then this summer or draft is a good time for reset, so we get that top 5 player. We do it now we might get the 12th pick and thats not as good.

  66. Ian,With Mitchell,s closing speed and overall defensive awareness he makes Boqvist look like he is playing in cement boots.He can play now.Who you would get would depend on who is the management and who is the Head Coach.Edmonton is going to move 1 of their Prospect d men.Bennett,Jankowski are available from Calgary.Anderen from the Rangers.Marcasauelt and Riley Smith from Vegas.Anthanisiou and or Larkin from Detroit.Rodrigues from Buffalo.You hit the lottery and get Byfield or Stutzle from Germany.See what it would take to get Khudoban from Dallas at Goalie. Puljarvi from Edmonton.The Canadians are also looking to move a center man to make room.I think that’s a good start and a look at a few available options to fill the voids and change that room.Hell,if you only got Bennet,Rodrigues,and added Mitchell with a healthy Dehaan and a new coach you would have a different and harder team.

  67. Really like these players, names, being listed as prospects or established players for D. We need to make this happen. Or what in the F are we doing here.

  68. Everyone is trying to figure out creative ways to make this team better. Ask yourselves why we have such little talent in our system? Where’s our NHL-ready goalie since Crawford was drafted? In the past ten years, why are there just two middle six (20, 12) and one top six (77) picks on the team? Where are any top four d-men since 2, 7, and 4? Why is this team chronically in cap hell?

    If any of you had a job performance like that you would have long been bounced. Way past time to clean house! More talented GMs and scouts can be brought in to make the Hawks contenders in a few years.

  69. Original a big part of the answer to your question of why is cupboard bare, is the same of mostly any team that enjoyed unprecedented success. Oilers, Isles, Habs, Red Wings and Devils after successful runs still trying to find the formula back. The Avs are close again but not there yet and the Pens, well no team finds a way to get more from less, anazing how they remain competitive year after year. Perfect example you don’t need to tank for high picks or have superstars all through the lineup, 2 or 3 and right chemistry seems to work for them. Not winning with one of the bigger teams, not one of of the fastest either but successful.

    Tim if you want to believe those acquisitions are something that can happen, that’s up to you. Not sure why Rodrigues smallish forward, who hasn’t thrived in physical play, og 3a this season and never scored 10 goals in a season yet.

    All i meant on Mitchell, he plays with his IQ and uses it to make the most from his skills. Often takes a little longer to adjust, Boqvist plays reactionary game with his instincts and skills, when he gets his comfort zone he will impress.

  70. The Pens are unique, in my opinion, because they left themselves an out with contracts. They tied up Malkin and Crosby, but were able to move Kessel and Fleury (and others I don’t at the moment recall). They also had goalie depth (Murray first) that made a huge difference. They kept acquiring good assets as they traded off pieces of their original core, while we bought more assets and lost our future. We raised a couple of goalies in Raanta and Darling but moved them along. Pitt now has another, making Murray expendable.

    Pitt simply didn’t go the route we did of overpaying with NMC contract to Seabrook and a long NMC with Crawford, combined with a bad contract for Bickel that was just an unfortunate situation. We tied our own hands, while Pitt left themselves an out that worked much better. Look how they got Daley from us for essentially a bad contract and he was an important piece to their puzzle. Part of that was a bad situation we got ourselves into by waiting too long to move Sharp. We seem to always leave ourselves short on leverage at trade time.

    We rented – at usually a very high cost – and released. We got Richards for 1 year at a good deal.

    Who is worth more now: A reasonably healthy Crosby and Malkin or a reasonably healthy Toews, Seabrook and Crawford? Hate on those 2 all you want.

    Salary cap works. Pens are the exception because they simply were smarter and somewhat luckier than the rest. Good planning gives you the opportunity to yield good results. Bad or no planning gives you a better chance at bad results.

    Yes, if Bowman made all of the contract decisions on his own, then he indeed owns the problems. If manglement stuck their noses into the contracts, then it is a shared mess.

  71. Dont forget that Crosby and Malkin took about 2.5 million less than they could have gotten on the open market.The Hawks Core gave no such discounts.

  72. I thought Toews and Kane initially wanted $12m. I am not aware how Crosby and Malkin got to their numbers.

    But Lehner saying no discount makes me think that $7m for 6 years may the least he takes. Possibly even $8m or more, based on Bobrovsky.

  73. Ian,I will be content at this point to take baby steps with Boqvist.I just want to see him maybe skate hard to get back on defense or actually position his body on the correct side of his check.He has a nice set of hands and a shot but skating fast and hard to win races to the puck does not require experience.

  74. Crosby and Malkin took % of cap as did Toews and Kane, just that cap was higher when they signed, not unlike Mcdavid. That’s the way it goes, sometimes taxes in local area, not losing endorsements can factor in.

    Silent Lehner made a remark having term on his deal was important, so be interesting to see how that plays out.

  75. Original the cupboard bare wouldn’t have anything do with the bad moves by Stan Bowman, would it?
    Timonen… for two second round picks
    Weise and Fleischmann for Daneault plus a second round pick (Alexander Romanov)
    Teuvo as a throw in to lose the Bickle cap hit..was there anyone else we could have lost besides Teuvo? Surely something else could have been done.
    Lose Kempny for a bag of pucks. Q was in on this giveaway.
    Lose Daly for a bag of pucks. Q helped with this one as well.

    Saad to Columbus for what?
    The hawks have so much depth in their farm system they afford to give a second and third round pick for Andrew Shaw. Who was damaged goods to begin with.
    Bowman trades for De Haan who has already had how many shoulder surgeries?

    The Oilers have had the same type of management that the hawks have had. (Taylor Hall)
    The only good trade that Bowman has made that I can think of is trading Shaw to Montreal for two second round picks. (Alex Debrincat) being on of them.
    What is so good about Evan Bouchard? When he played for team Canada he was not fast playing against the Jr’s. Did he get a lot faster? Hard pass.

  76. I hate Malkin, not because he is good, but because he kneed Crow in the head on purpose. He should be tripped head first into boards or kneed in the head, knee for a knee. This player has major karma coming to him.

  77. Also not sure when PIT signed there core players to caphits, but the Blackhawks core players already (I think) achieved a dynasty before big contracts. PIT sneaked two in at the end/bookend, once league-top 5 teams got watered down by cap. Where PIT got there core players contracts when they had only won once.

  78. To me PIT will forever be the team that came close to what NJ did. They won 3 times like NJ but they were a bookend, not evely spread out like NJ.

    They are no where near the dynasty teams of DET and CHI or even the 2nd best teams during the two dynasty teams of the last 30 yrs. Which were COL and LA (BOS is a close 2nd there) because these teams went head to head with the dynasty team and won 2 Cups while getting beat by dynasty teams like 4 times (or a few times)(you know what I mean).

    Anyways thats where I have the top teams since NYI and EDM dynasty teams.

  79. Stape, I just want to get another top pair Defensemen. Just need to be good, doesnt have to be him. We need one more top pair Defensemen for young wave core.

  80. The Pens dumped a GM who was running them Ray Sheri) and replaced him with a a hockey savvy winner (Jim Rutherford).

    Plain and simple. Not amazing at all.

    Many here called Bowman out when he flipped out after getting swept in 2017.

    Remember his dumb trades, ranting press conference, and his firing of Mike Kitchen?

    Had Rocky done to Bowman what Pitt did to Shero, Q is still he here and the Hawks are still competitive.

    To those who knew it back in 2017, I salute you.

  81. borrow from ORIGINAL6HAWKEY – “Everyone is trying to figure out creative ways to make this team better. Ask yourselves…”

    Ask yourselves if this team would be better with Saad & Shaw & Strome on the ice. Ask yourselves if this team would be better with de Haan or Seabrook out there instead of Koekkoek.

    Ask yourselves if the team had a coach with a clue who didn’t waste any of Patrick Kane’s shifts on a line with Alex Nylander and/or Ryan Carpenter?

    Ask yourselves if the team had a coach with a clue who didn’t healthy scratch Dominik Kubalik earlier this year, much less skated Kubalik as a legit top-six forward WITH TOP SIX FORWARDS all season, how many goals/points Kubalik might have right now?

    Is this a loaded roster? No. Are there forwards in the system who are going to solve everything? No. But we cannot continue to ignore that injuries have plagued this team all season and they have an idiot coach making awful personnel decisions almost nightly, wasting shifts from players who have shown they can produce frequently together. When Kubalik scored his first goal against Anaheim on Saturday night, he and Kane had been on the ice for 10 goals for the Hawks in about 70 minutes. MAYBE DO THAT MORE???

  82. Almost rubbed my eyes when IAN wrote that it is normal for teams to still try to find the formula to become a cup contender again, even more than a generation later. Islanders last won in 1983, Oilers in 1990, Canadiens in 1993, Avs in 2001, Devils in 2003. Guess we should hold off on criticizing management until maybe 2040.

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