Ranking the Prospects: Chicago’s Best Defensemen

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With the prospect camp behind us, it’s a good time to evaluate Chicago’s organizational depth. There is a lot to like about the Blackhawks collection of prospects right now, and there are a few question marks as well.

Today, let’s look at the team’s prospects on the blue line. Here are our rankings of the top defensemen in the organization.

(Note: we are not considering David Rundblad for this list.)

Not ranked:

  • Mathieu Brisebois – Rockford (AHL) - acquired via trade
  • Sam Jardine – Ohio State (B1G) – 2011 Draft
  • Robin Press – Sodertalje (SWE) – 2013 Draft
  • Nick Mattson – North Dakota (NCHC) – 2010 Draft
  • Viktor Svedberg – Rockford (AHL) – signed as free agent

10. Andreas Söderberg
6-4, 200
DOB: 06/16/1996
Draft: 2014 – 5th round (148th overall)
2013-14 Team(s): Skelleftea (Sweden)

After not appearing in Central Scouting’s mid-term rankings, Söderberg was ranked 29th among European skaters in the final rankings prior to the 2014 NHL Draft. Söderberg hasn’t put up big offensive numbers, but proved capable of competing against older players in 36 regular season games and two playoff appearences for Skelleftea’s U20 team as a 17-year-old in his first SuperElit league season. He’s a capable puck mover who is defensively responsible player who was one of the younger players selected in the 2014 NHL Draft. In spite of his age, he’s already listed at 6-4 and 200 pounds and will only continue to fill in his big frame.

9. Luc Snuggerud
6-0, 180
DOB: 09/18/1995
Draft: 2014 – 5th round (141st overall)
2013-14 Team(s): Eden Prairie (HS), Omaha & Muskegon (USHL)

Selected seven picks before Söderberg, Snuggerud hails from the same high school that produced Nick Leddy. Snuggerud was named the 2014 Reed Larson Award winner as the top senior boys’ high school hockey defenseman in the state of Minnesota. Like Leddy, he’s a very good skater who jumps into the rush well. His uncle, Dave Snuggerud, played 215 games with the Sabres from 1989-1992. Luc will play at the University of Nebraska-Omaha next season.

Snuggerud

8. Dillon Fournier
6-1, 188
DOB: 06/15/1994
Draft: 2012 – 2nd round (48th overall)
2013-14 Team: Rouyn-Noranda (QMJHL)

Fournier was the Hawks’ second round pick in 2012, and has shown a lot of offensive ability in limited action in the two seasons since. Unfortunately, injuries have kept him off the ice including season-ending shoulder surgery last year. He’ll have a chance to potentially skate with Brisebois, who was his partner at Rouyn-Noranda in 2012-13; Brisebois posted 73 points in 64 games that season. Fournier is a very good skater and excellent puck mover who has played in very situation in juniors. He signed his pro contract at the end of last season and will report to Rockford this season.

7. Robin Norell
5-11, 191
DOB: 04/06/1993
Draft: 2013 – 4th round (111th overall)
2013-14 Team(s): Djurgården (Sweden)

Norell was a member of the silver medal-winning group representing Sweden at last year’s World Junior Championships, producing one goal in seven contests during the tournament. He’s physically matured since being drafted, gaining an inch in height and 15 pounds since last summer’s draft. Norell is a good skater, handles the puck well and is a willing shot blocker. He had a very good week at the Hawks’ prospect camp.

6. Michael Paliotta
6-3, 198
DOB: 02/18/1995
Draft: 2011 – 3rd round (70th overall)
2013-14 Team: U. of Vermont (H-East)

Paliotta has done a really nice job of developing over his first three seasons at Vermont; college hockey has treated him well. Last season he produced five goals and added 22 assists in 38 games. More of a stay-at-home defenseman, he does have a good shot (scored during the second scrimmage of the prospect camp). He’ll head back to Vermont for his senior year this fall, but could be in Rockford by the end of the 2014-15 campaign.

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5. Carl Dahlström
6-4, 211
DOB: 01/28/1995
Draft: 2013 – 2nd round (51st overall)
2013-14 Team(s): Linkoping (Sweden)

Dahlström hasn’t become much of an offensive player yet, but he uses his big frame well and is a good, physical defenseman. Last year after he was selected by Chicago, the Hawks’ head European amateur scout referred to Dahlström as a “prototypical “modern” defenseman.” Still only 19, there’s a lot to like about his potential and size. He’ll spend another year in Sweden with Linkoping, the same organization that produced Klas Dahlbeck.

4. Trevor van Riemsdyk
6-2, 186
DOB: 07/24/1991
Acquired: free agent
2013-14 Team: New Hampshire (H-East)

One year ago, van Riemsdyk was the hottest name in potential college free agency behind Danny Dekeyser; Dekeyser signed with Detroit, van Riemsdyk opted to return to New Hampshire for his junior year. He posted 23 points in the first 26 games of the year before a broken ankle cut his season short. The younger brother of Toronto’s James van Riemsdyk – who the Hawks passed on when they drafted Patrick Kane – he’s a good skater and excellent puck mover who could be considered for an NHL roster spot soon. He turns 23 tomorrow, and will head to Rockford this year.

trevor van riemsdyk

3. Klas Dahlbeck
6-2, 206
DOB: 07/06/1991
Draft: 2011 – 3rd round (79th overall)
2013-14 Team: Rockford (AHL)

There’s a really good chance that Dahlbeck is the first player on this list to stick in the NHL, and it could be as early as this October; he was the first Rockford defenseman recalled at the end of the 2013-14 season (when Brent Seabrook was suspended). Dahlbeck had a strong second professional season in Rockford last year, finishing with 10 goals and 25 assists in 75 games with the IceHogs. He’s more of a stay-at-home defenseman, a solid penalty killer whose work ethic has been praised by coaches and management in Rockford.

2. Stephen Johns
6-4, 220
DOB: 04/18/1992
Draft: 2010 – 2nd round (60th overall)
2013-14 Team(s): Notre Dame (H-East), Rockford (AHL)

It’s scary to think the Blackhawks drafted four players – including another defenseman (Justin Holl) – in front of Johns in 2010, but they appear to have a stud in the Notre Dame grad. He’s a big, physical defenseman with a good shot from the point who jumped into the mix in Rockford after completing his senior year with the Fighting Irish and produced five points in eight games with the IceHogs. He won’t be in Rockford for very long, and could develop into a top-four defenseman at the NHL level.

1. Adam Clendening
5-11, 187
DOB: 10/26/1992
Draft: 2011 – 2nd round (36th overall)
2013-14 Team(s): Rockford (AHL)

Clendening led the IceHogs with 59 points last season, his second in Rockford, and was named to the 2013-14 AHL First All-Star Team. He’s a good offensive defenseman who handles the puck well and is a good skater. Between Clendening, Johns and Dahlbeck, the Hawks have three prospects ready if/when a player is traded or gets hurt during the coming season. of the three, Clendening is the best puck mover; the other two are stronger defensively and Johns is the most physical.

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If/When Clendening, Dahlbeck and Paliotta reach the NHL, the Blackhawks’ 2011 Draft class will continue to establish itself as one of the better groups in recent franchise history. Brandon Saad and Andrew Shaw have played in 126 and 165 regular season games, respectively, and both have a Stanley Cup championship already on their resume. And all of these guys were drafted after the first round, where the Hawks selected Mark McNeill and Phillip Danault.

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90 Responses to Ranking the Prospects: Chicago’s Best Defensemen

  1. willy girard says:

    VIKTOR SVEDBERG RANKING 5 TH BEST PROSPECT IN CHICAGO FARM TEAM.

    YOU NO RANKED ??? WAKE UP , GO TO SEE SVEDBERG RIGHT NOW MAN .

  2. Sr. Brad says:

    Nice list Tab…so hard to give an actual ranked number to each guy, as so many are very close to one another in talent and maturity.

    To Willy, I watched Svedberg a lot last year, and while he wasn’t the disaster I was expecting, he wasn’t great…and has a LONG way to go if he is ever going to get that 6’9″ frame on an NHL rink. He has a great attitude, so he has a chance, but right now Svedberg wouldn’t be in my top 15…hope I am wrong about Viktor.

    I would probably have Dahlbeck first, even though I like Clendening more. Klas is such a well rounded DMan and would fit with any current Hawk DMan…whereas with Adam, you would like to put him with Seabrook…we will see, come training camp all 3 guys will have their A game going and will make some tough decisions for the Hawks.

    Dahlstrom could become a top 4 DMen in another 2-3 seasons…if TVR goes to Rockford with the thought of a full season getting his ankle right and works on his defensive game, he could be an NHL’er too…I would like to see him put on another 10 pounds of muscle though.

    I think Paliotta is a keeper…the DMan I will watch the closest this year in Rockford will be Dillon Fournier…tons of talent…but does he have the mental/physical strength to play in the NHL???

  3. Tab Bamford says:

    Like I said, Brad, the Hawks have some good options and it might come down to the skillset they want/need at the NHL level when they choose the first one of Clendening/Dahlbeck/Johns to get a long-term shot at the United Center.

    re: Svedberg – he’s 23 and has 9 points as a professional. With the talent coming into the Rockford organization this year that wasn’t there all of last year (Brisebois, Johns, van Riemsdyk, Fournier), Svedberg will be fighting for ice time w/ the IceHogs. #5 dman prospect in the organization? Funny

  4. Mike says:

    What strikes me about this group is size. These are some big young players who will only get stronger. With Duncan, Seabrook and Hammer leading the way, looks like a lot of options for the foreseeable future.

    Go Hawks

  5. RyanDale says:

    what were the circumstances when we let Stanton go? I was never up to speed on that

    tia for any input

  6. Rufus T. Firefly says:

    What I am hearing is that the Hawks feel Johns and Clendening are ready right now. And that they are particularly excited about Johns. I have less detail or personal perspective on Dahlbeck.

    I close friend and fellow season ticket holder was at the camps and the downtown event. He is closer than most around the team buzz and I have trusted his comments implicitly over the years. He tells me that Bowman, Quennville and Kitchen are all absolutely ga-ga over Johns and that the Notre Dame product will be given the fullest and best shot at making this team club in October. I guess we will find out.

  7. Peter says:

    4-5 years ago Chicago had no 6th dman (Sopel was 5th) and nothing in the minors, but Olsen…look at this list. 4-5 years is a pretty crazy short amount of time to basically have 3 and maybe 4 NHL d-men matriculating through your system and ready to play today. The salary cap genius and the player development of Bowman(s) really separate him from Tallon, who has to be given a ton of credit for the 2010 Cup.

  8. Scottie P says:

    When is the deadline for cap compliance? Wondering who will be released. Any info on that Tab?

  9. Tab Bamford says:

    Hawks have until the final roster cut date before the season begins to be cap compliant; there is little rush on July 22nd.

    re: Stanton – the Hawks opted to keep Brookbank, but Stanton was out of options. Therefore, Stanton had to clear waivers to be sent to Rockford. The Hawks exposed him to waivers, and the Canucks took him for nothing. Tough to lose a good guy on & off the ice like him.

    great point about the organizational growth, Peter. That’s true across the board. Remember 2010, when the Hawks traded everyone away and the bright shining lights in the organization were Jack Skille and Kyle Beach? smh

    & to Rufus’ point – yes, the organization has a hard on for Stephen Johns. And they should. He’s a linebacker on skates and brings a physical element to the blue line that nobody else in the system can or does. The fact that he lasted thru 59 picks that year is astonishing… it also speaks to how the league viewed college players 4-5 years ago to where we are today. With the cap system as it is, having a player off the books developing under quality coaching while the team holds his rights is a big deal, and Johns is a shining example of how it can work out well. Hayes is… well…

  10. MikeD says:

    I only saw one game in Rockford, but Johns looked a little shaky with his defensive play. I would personally like to see management try him out at a forward position. He skates well, has great size, and plays a very physical game. He needs to work on his stick handling, but I think he could be a really interesting power forward prospect going forward.

  11. Hofmeister says:

    Great list, I will also add one of the unranked players, Nick Mattson of Univ. of North Dakota is a defenseman the Blackhawks are very high on. Bowman specifically mentioned being impressed with him after prospect camp.

    Mattson will be a senior at UND this year, turns 23 this fall and has decent size. Kind of a stay at home guy, very solid.

  12. SouthSideHawkMan says:

    A LOT to get excited with out of this group. This has to be one of the strongest defense groups in all of minor league hockey. Its no doubt the Hawks are ranked fourth as a minor league system based on a lot of these guys.

    After seeing most of these prospects minus Clendening and Dalbeck I was most impressed with Fournier and Soderberg. Fournier vision and passing was excellent. Soderberg, was big, fast, and strong skating puck mover with an NHL body. I was less impressed w TVR and Dalhstrom. When I fist saw Dalhstrom I got him confused w Dalbeck and thought this is the guy w all the hype, I’m glad I got my swedes confused.

    Tab do the Hawks allow general admission to training camp? I remember pre Rocky the hawks used to have a rookie game @ the UC/Stadium before the season started. I want to say it was called the red and white game, but this was 15/20 years ago.

  13. Ernie says:

    Splitting hairs, but I thought it was Kostka they elected to keep over Stanton. Forcing him to the waiver process. I don’t feel as badly as I did at the time. Don’t get me wrong, I think he can be a solid defenseman. But he’s an NHL regular playing closer to home. And the organizational depth means he probably wasn’t long for the Hawks anyway.

  14. noonan96 says:

    Great reports about the prospects, thanks-seems like with with this depth many will fall out of favour or just have too many bodies to overtake-good problem for any organization–
    I hope Fournier comes back from his injuries-he looked good 2 years ago. Other than TT and Johns most excited to see the development of Ross and Hartman-wow Shaw and Ross in later rounds!
    (Wealth of Riches)
    Welcome back RD

  15. wall says:

    Brad/SSHM- you are spot on w Fournier… tons of talent, great skater… but a couple of injuries- makes you wonder – Dave Bolland???? But-if healthy might be the best of the bunch!!! I think I said that last year (also said Hino- is the real deal)

    I will add- I stood 15 feet from the locker rooms where Prospects left in Sandals…
    8 out of 10 players are listed at taller heights than they are!!! Fournier- was one of the few guys- who actually looked bigger than listed!!!

    Soderberg did look really good!!!

    Biggest surprise to me was Brisebois… He looked very good… and he is not even cracking the top 10.

    Tab- spot on about SB being all over the US/College guys… It’s kind of like College Basketball… 15-20 years ago there were 5-10 great coaches/programs… the disciples/assts. learned from these guys and learned well… now you have Mid-major programs that are out coaching a lot of the “Big” names and competing… the same can be said for U.S. Hockey. Kudos for SB for going into the U.S and Europe and stealing some talent… Luv RasMOOSE!!!

  16. Mike says:

    Interestingly, a lot of pundits feel like Leddy is the best trade choice. Biggest reason mentioned was that Leddy is replaceable with Clendening, will command more than his $2.7mm next summer and would get the Hawks a decent return. I can agree with all of that. But, say what you will about Leddy……no physicality, lots of turn overs etc…..he showed HUGE flexibility in playing with, and protecting, a revolving door of partners. I am not sure Clendening is up to that challenge yet.

    I still think Oduya makes the most sense to me. He has value this summer…..but none next summer. The Hawks will surely let him walk. However if Leddy goes and Oduya stays, won’t be the end of the world
    Duncan Seabrook
    Hammer Clendening (I like this pairing in the absence of Leddy or Oduya)
    Oduya Rosy / Johns / Dahlbeck

  17. EbonyRaptor says:

    I’m intrigued by a bunch of these guys and I guess on one level that means none of them are sure things. But there’s no doubt there’s ample potential and reason to be optimistic.

    I suppose if I had to pick one prospect d-man that I’m intrigued most with it would be Rundblad. “The Puzzling Story of David Rundblad” played out in living technicolor before our very eyes, opening at Training Camp. I have to believe there is more to this guy than when he showed in the few games he played at the end of last season. Although it’s possible Stan simply could have made a mistake and Rundblad is a bust that cost a 2nd rounder and those things happen. But I’m optimistic that there is more game in Rundblad than what he’s shown so far and Stan will be proven right.

  18. wall says:

    ER- I think RBad (in SB’s eyes) would have been the replacement for 27 this year… more offensive, Right hand, and pair w/ Rock (Hammer, allowing 4 to play his natural left side….) But Rbad- played like a glass doll last year, fell (more than Montador), weak on the boards… Just bad!!!

    If it’s technique- there’s a chance, if it’s mental- don’t know if you can fix him!!!

  19. EbonyRaptor says:

    wall said – “If it’s technique- there’s a chance, if it’s mental- don’t know if you can fix him!!!”

    That might be it in a nutshell right there.

  20. Sr. Brad says:

    Excellent posts guys…a lot of the time here the conversation is at a Pro-level, so many of you have very bright hockey minds…it makes it fun participating.

    Noonan…for 3 years straight the 5th round picks were Kruger, Shaw and Ross…its where Bowman does his best work.

    As for Fournier, SSHM noted that he had a good prospect camp, and that is very encouraging. Wall, as I noted too, I was shocked at the overall size of Fournier, not only taller than listed, but a lot more muscle development than I had hoped. So, if he has an above decent year in Rockford, paired with a stay at home guy, then really the sky’s the limit for his talent and skating ability. That’s why I said I would watch him the closest this coming year.

    As for Runblad, the trade only makes sense if he has a good NHL training camp…so I am counting on it. How could Bowman get it so wrong with this guy? So, I have to believe the Hawks feel it is a mental issue and will pair him (as Wall said) with Hammer coming out of camp to give him EVERY opportunity to succeed. They have to, because the downside to this trade is that if he doesn’t cut it here, he’s either an expensive 2nd rounder playing in Rockford, or they trade him for nowhere near a 2nd round pick, if they get anything (i.e. just releasing him). So I understand the mechanics of what Bowman was thinking with this trade and being Cap complient over the long haul, but it could back fire…the one upside thus far is the play of Brisbois who has been not just good, but GREAT. He was Fournier’s team mate in Jrs, and has really matured physically in PHO’s minor system.

    Mike, I don’t see Leddy going at all…I think Nick has played great…his +/- #’s have been some of the best on the team playing with a revolving door of partners. Nick has really filled out, which should give him a lot more confidence in his physical game…he just needs to relax and trusts his instincts more…rush with the puck and be aggressive out there…I have never yet seen Leddy start one of his end to end rushes and turn the puck over in the neutral zone…he is very careful to protect the puck and at the very least get it in deep…smart young player that will only get better as he matures.

    ER, as for lineups, what makes the best sense to me would split the top 3 apart and “share the wealth” by pairing them with the remaining guys…the only problem with this, is that Q likes his “shut down” pairing (i.e. Hammer/Oduya)…but here’s the thing, IMO Oduya wasn’t much of a shut down guy…weak on the puck and too many turnovers…so does Q look at a Seabrook/Leddy pairing as the shut down guys? There is no way I believe that Oduya is a better, more reliable DMan than Leddy, plus Sebs and Leddy have a nice rapport together. Q could then, if he wanted create a “superstar” pairing of Keith/Hammer (who also have a great rapport together), and then live with a 3rd pairing rotation of Rozy, Runblad and Dahlbeck? This way he could play the Keith/Hammer pairing about 24 minutes a night…Seabrook/Leddy 22 minutes a night and only have to rely on 14 minutes from the 3rd pairing…or be bold, and give Keith someone like Dahlbeck/Johns and trust in his/their development…meaning that Hammer would get Runblad/Rozy…I think it would be best this way, as I believe in the Rockford D prospects a lot.

    IMO the worst thing that Bowman can do is KEEP Oduya, who, to me, has been burned out these last 2 years, and will be on the downside of his career from now on…his $3.4 million cap hit is longer affordable for the Hawks…he needs to go, not Leddy. By moving Oduya and “replacing” him with Runblad and say Dahlbeck, we will have our 7 DMen, plus have OVER $1 million available for a trade before the deadline if needed.

    And Wall was right about Runblad…his limited performance last season was awful, so if he doesn’t pan out the Hawks either promote Clendening or bring in a Brookbank like player. Personally, I would LOVE to see Leddy with Seabrook, Clendening with Hammer and Dahlbeck with Keith and let Rozy rotate through…bold, but I know it would work.

  21. Mike says:

    Brad, I don’t see Leddy going either. But some of the writers have a point. Leddy makes $2.7mm and will command more next summer. But he will be an RFA next summer so the Hawks have some control. If you are going to trade him the time is now. The time is now for Oduya, agreed!! There is zero possibility of him as a Hawk in 15-16 and will be a UFA. So before the season starts or at the deadline, I too think Oduya is the guy.

  22. HawksNation4All says:

    Great list and article Tab. It feels good to have such a deep collection of defensive talent in the pipeline. Considering the need to stay cap compliant now and in the future, while keeping the team a perennial Cup contender, the young cost controlled talent is a necessity to supplant some of the veterans who will become cost prohibitive in the future.
    I agree with the rankings although 1-3 is a tough one, but I see why you picked Clendening as #1, as he has the most upside offensively and could be a dynamic playmaker for the Blackhawks in the future. I think Dahlbeck will be the perfect complement for Hammer on the 2nd pairing, i.e. the shutdown pair who goes against the other teams top line. He is rock steady, but is very talented in his own right…and of course Johns who has the potential to bring fear to opposing teams as they cross the middle. (head on a swivel). All three bring something different to the party, and hopefully it will begin this year for at least 2 of them, but possibly all three.

  23. Sr. Brad says:

    Nice to see you back HN4…great comments…I too would like to see at least 2 of them be given a shot this year…we will see what happens…Bowman must be fairly close to moving his piece(s)

  24. HawksNation4All says:

    Thanks Brad. I enjoyed your comments and updates on prospect camp….especially the news that Rasmussen is looking good…Toews, Richards, Kruger, Rasmussen could really stabilize the Hawks up the middle this year (with Regin & Nordstrom as backup possibilities)….not to mention the lottery ticket that is Teravainen.

  25. HockeyJunkie says:

    I seriously doubt Q would “trust” 3 rookie d-men at the same time. That’s just not his style.

    I do see them moving Oduya this year and bringing one of these talented young prospects up… And seeing another promoted potentially in 2015-16.

    It’s very nice having this much talent in the pipeline!

    I cannot wait until training camp!!

  26. morrison says:

    Tab,
    good post starter.

    Ernie,
    yea I think it was Kostka/Stanton situation.

    Brad,
    a lot of the 5th round guys were 20 at draft/that most passed on too.

    Nice that we have a loaded farm (only ANA/CHI have top5 farms, all other top teams are bottom10). Because we paid our dues in scouting/drafting/developing the last 4-5 yrs, its going to start paying dividends soon for a longtime.

    Marty MOOSE. (lampoons vacation)

  27. morrison says:

    Brad,
    ‘where’s Wall-do’ at convention, the Buddha and Shiva.
    That’s good stuff.
    I am 5-10 180, I would be on a line with Kaner/T. Crazy Skill.

    Tab,
    thanks for all your hard work/time on these blog/posts. etc. Sometimes people forget the hrs/time you put in.

  28. HawksNation4All says:

    HockeyJunkie – RE: Q trusting all 3 rookie Dmen at the same time

    I just said that I hope that 2 or maybe even 3 of them start their journey this year with the Hawks… that doesn’t mean they will each be set on a pair by any means. For example, it could be that one of the three makes it out of training camp (Dahlbeck?), another comes up midway to replace an injured Dman for a few weeks during the season, and possibly sent back down upon the players return, then he and the third guy come up with the expanded rosters after the deadline as part of the Black Aces. That’s just an example scenario, but the point is that I wasn’t suggesting that all three would be inserted into the D pairings all at once by any means….however that doesn’t preclude them from getting some games under their belt this year….and perhaps more.

  29. Reg Dunlop says:

    I was able to make it to the Blackhawk convention, last week, here in Chicago. I was also LUCKY enough to have a 10 minute sit down conversation with Johnny Oduya. First off, as with all(or most) NHL players, he is a real gentleman and a really nice guy. Secondly, as some people know, he broke his foot in the beginning of the 3rd period of game 7 against the Kings, yet he played the rest of the period AND overtime. He has a walking cast on and was hobbling a bit, but will be okay for any NHL training camp. Thirdly, he and Jahlmarson led the league in defensive zone escape time. So, when the puck was in our D zone, they retrieved it and moved it out of our zone faster than any other defensive pairing in the NHL. Fourth and most important, he knows that this is a business and understands why he has been talked about in trades since the end of the season. To quote him exactly “if I have to leave, I can hold my head up high and know I gave the Chicago fans everything I had”.

    A class guy all the way.

    I still think Leddy is going to go. Q does NOT trust him and they can get a good prospect / draft pick for him. Oduya will play out his last year and go to another team at the age of 34. The Hawks can then bring up 2 solid defensemen that they have been grooming in Rockford…….one this year and one next year.

    Believe me, I love Leddy. He’s Brian Campbell lite. He has wheels and can skate the puck out of danger all the way down to the offensive end, THEN beat everyone back to play defense. There are not a lot of NHL players that can do that. But Q has his doubts about him and that’s unfortunate for Leddy.

    Either way………53 days until camp opens!!

  30. HockeyJunkie says:

    HawksNation4All… No worries and thanks for clarifying.

    Q has taken his time with Leddy and has had him in the dog house off and on over the past few years. In last years playoffs, Leddy saw more ice time and I like Nick Leddy’s game. However, with the cap situation, his upside and probably some interest from other teams, I wouldn’t be surprised if they moved him too.

    It would be nice to see Clendening alongside Hammer allowing him to move over to the left side. Hammer does a nice job on his backhand, but seeing him on the left side with a right handed, very skilled, offensive D-man would be an interesting new dynamic.

    Looking forward to the journey that begins in the fall… Interesting stuff!

  31. SouthSideHawkMan says:

    There are 3 things to take in consideration with Leddy. First will Q count on him for important mins? He hasnt so far but that doesnt mean he cant. Leddy is a 3rd pair dman will he ever be more then that on the Blackhawks?

    2nd do the the Hawks want to pay Leddy 10-15 million over the next few years? Leddy will be looking for a bridge contract w multiple years. He`s already making 2.7 so his next deal will be between 3-5 mil depending on the length. Are the Hawks a willing partner.

    3rd is Leddy more valuable as a player or a trade chip? If Q doesnt give him more mins the answer is he is a more valuable trade chip. Nick Leddy can play hockey and has value. At 23, with a cup & a unique skill set he is an NHL player but is he the right piece for the Hawks? Im torn on Leddy. If Duncan Keith wasnt here the answer is keep Leddy. The Hawks have Keith and both players play a very similar game however Keith plays it at a higher level. Im not sure the Hawks can afford Leddy after next season and you cant play everyone.

    The Hawks will look very different after they raise the cup again next season. No Sharp, No Seabrook, No Oduya, No Leddy these are all real possibilities after next year.

  32. Boy Named Sioux says:

    The chatter about D-Men movement to gain cap space is an interesting read. Allow me to offer my “two cents”.

    SSHM – your points are excellent. However, I don’t see #8 being traded before the season this season unless an offer is made that exceeds his RFA compensation value. An understated part of the Leddy equation – Hawks will have ability to match his RFA contract offer OR take the bundle of draft choices as compensation. The Hawks truly CONTROL the situation with Leddy. Why trade him just to make you cap compliant when you have other options (read below) at your disposal?

    1. Get someone to take #32 and a 3rd round choice for a 6th round choice in return, or something like that. TT at Rockford plus no #32 makes the Hawks cap compliant. I might be dreaming here, but there has to be some draft choice package that enables the Hawks to unload his salary. Remember, the Hawks will be receiving draft picks or prospects in future year salary cap driven trades. I am willing to shorten the pick list temporarily if it enables moving #32 now. (POSTERS, PLEASE COMMENT ON THIS IDEA. AM I DREAMING OR IS IT A POSSIBILITY? I don’t believe #17 found a new address yet, so, perhaps I am dreaming. How many picks differential would it take to make this happen?)

    2. Moving #27 for cap compliance purposes to start the season will be difficult (if fair value is anticipated in return), given his injury in Game #7 vs. L.A. If SB cannot find a taker for #32 then #27 fire sale is necessary to make the team cap compliant.

  33. Negzz says:

    @Junkie, I highly doubt Q puts a rookie (particularly one with q’s on his defensive ability/focus like Clendening), with his go-to, lock-down d-man #4. Hjalm is counted on to handle the oppositions’ #1 line (along with Oduya the past 1+ years), why would he put an untested d-liability on with Nik to simply move him to the right side? If 27 is moved, more likely see Leddy moved up (albeit with similar reservations.)

    My guess is it’s Leddy who is shopped and Oduya stays put- particularly if he’s still recovering from his broken foot (good scoop from on-site Reg!)

  34. Rufus T. Firefly says:

    I’m increasingly of the view that Nick Leddy is the one traded and that the Hawks have Oduya stick with Hjalmarsson one more year until his contract runs out. I also think Johns has the best chance to make this club, to be paired with a combo of Runblad and Rosival, with Clendening and Dahlbeck starting the season in Rockford.

  35. Negzz says:

    RTF, Could see Johns/Rosy or Runblad/Rosy, not seeing Johns/Rosy as Q option…

  36. Mike says:

    How about this for crazy. Move BOTH Leddy and Oduya. Get as many prospects and draft picks as possible. Run 2, 7 and 4 with Johns, Clendening, Cluminsky, Dahlbeck and Rundbad. 2010 all over again but with the youth on the back end. May sound crazy and I doubt seriously that will happen……But it does help pave the way for 15-16 and beyond.

    I think we may be dreaming for a $75 mm or higher Cap in 15-16. Yes the league might have the money but the purpose of the Cap is to create parity.

  37. morrison says:

    Sioux,
    I am with you on trading 32 in a package. The guys at convention seemed to know something about 23 that no one else does. I like the idea of getting the draft picks if we don’t match an rfa offer on 8. Although I have a feeling it might be 8 that gets traded too/Q still doesn’t play him in the important min./8 shouldn’t get more then 3/yr until he plays a bigger role. Dreaming would be Rozy having a litr injury in early oct.

  38. morrison says:

    I think cap is 74/75 then.

  39. hawkfacts says:

    Why is everyone so scared of the cap and anxious to trade proven talent like Oduya and Leddy? What is the hurry for these young d-men to get here and start for the Hawks? It won’t make them better this year for sure. I know Rufus is a hater but dumping Leddy for salary relief is just stupid. He had a 57.1 Corsi (highest of all the dmen), 31 points (3rd for the dmen) and dragged Rosival and Brookbanks’ asses around the whole year. He will be 24 next year and you guys want to dump him. Does anybody remember what Keith, Seabrook or Hjalmarsson were like at 23? Let’s get a grip people.

    Imagine Leddy in Rockford as a 22 year old. He would have made the current batch of boys you all tout look like bottom feeders. Instead he has 3 years of real NHL experience and his best years still ahead. I’ve seen Clendening a bunch of times. If anybody thinks he can easily replace Leddy, they’re nutso. And Johns? Straight from college to the NHL without hiccups? Give me a break.

  40. hawkfacts says:

    To beat a dead horse
    Gm G Ast Pts
    Seabrook ages 21-23 no playoffs
    2005-2006 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 69 5 27 32
    2006-2007 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 81 4 20 24
    2007-2008 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 82 9 23 32

    Keith ages 21-23 no playoffs
    2004-2005 Norfolk Admirals AHL 79 9 17 26
    2005-2006 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 81 9 12 21
    2006-2007 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 82 2 29 31

    Hjalmarsson ages 21 – 23 2 playoffs, 1 stanley cup
    2007-2008 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 13 0 1 1
    2008-2009 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 21 1 2 3
    2009-2010 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 77 2 15 17

    Leddy ages 21-23 3 playoffs, 1 stanley cup
    2011-2012 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 82 3 34 37
    2012-2013 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 48 6 12 18 (48 games)
    2013-2014 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 82 7 24 31

    Drew Doughty ages 21-23 3 playoffs, 1 stanley cup
    2010-2011 Los Angeles Kings NHL 76 11 29 40
    2011-2012 Los Angeles Kings NHL 77 10 26 36
    2013-2014 Los Angeles Kings NHL 48 6 16 22 (48 games)

  41. Just a Fan says:

    Facts

    Spot on about Leddy. 24 next March. Like the kid a lot and hope he’s a Hawk for a long time. But the Hawks are gunning for a cup THIS season and they are over the cap. Someone has to go. The primary question for Stan is ‘The loss of which D has the least detrimental effect on THIS season?’. And secondarily ‘…without jeopardizing future seasons?’ That’s the debate and it has a LOT of moving parts. Like where does Stan want to be in the ’15 draft, what’s Leddy’s value at RFA, of Dahlbeck/Johns/Clendening/Runblad who, if any, will be ready for a spot early in camp and, of those four, which of 8 (3rd pair limited TOI + #2 PP) and 27 (2nd pair shut down 20+ minute) can they SERIOUSLY replace, etc. And that’s why Stan is biding his time and evaluating all trade possibilities.

    I will leave it up to Tab and the other posters who have actually seen the kids play at Rockford and college to opine on their strengths and weaknesses. IMO either 8 or 27 can be replaced. Also IMO the odds are greater that by losing either one the D will be marginally worse early in the season, simply due to rooks versus vets. But hey, maybe Dahlbeck is the next Nick Lidstrom and Johns is the next Ray Bourque?

  42. hawkfacts says:

    And lets throw Letang, Karlsson and Pietrangelo in there too
    Letang ages 21-23
    2007-2008 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 63 6 11 17
    2008-2009 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 74 10 23 33
    2009-2010 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 73 3 24 27

    Karlsson ages 21-23
    2010-2011 Ottawa Senators NHL 75 13 32 45
    2011-2012 Ottawa Senators NHL 81 19 59 78 (Norris Trophy)
    2012-2013 Ottawa Senators NHL 17 6 7 13

    Pietrangelo ages 21-23
    2010-2011 St. Louis Blues NHL 79 11 32 43
    2011-2012 St. Louis Blues NHL 81 12 39 51
    2012-2013 St. Louis Blues NHL 47 5 19 24

  43. hawkfacts says:

    Just a Fan – thanks for the shout out. I keep everyone on D until training camp. At training camp, you can easily dispose of Versteeg or Rosival. If it’s too hard, just put’em on waivers and send Teuvo down – Bingo! nearly 2.8 of cap space. That allows you to bring up one of the kids. I keep saying that no one from the core has to go this year. 2015-16 is a different story but that depends on Teuvo or Saad. If they become studs, one of the core (probably a then 34 yr old Sharpie) can go without any hiccups

  44. Rufus T. Firefly says:

    The Hawks are over the cap. Oduya and Hjalmarsson are an outstanding pair. Oduya has one year left on his deal and so you let him go as a FA next offseason to open another spot for Clendening, Dahlbeck or whomever. Moving Leddy now makes the most sense. He has definite trade value too, and the Hawks could force the team who takes Leddy to take Versteeg or even Rosival off our hands for further cap relief. It’s not hating on Leddy. Rather it is an acknowledgement of the cap, the prospects in the pipeline, and realistically the limitations of Leddy in the Q system. If that offends anybody than tough sh!t.

  45. Boy Named Sioux says:

    Mo – your “dream” is definitely better than mine! If only that were #32 in the walking boot and not #27. Maybe Rozy needs to talk things over with Khabby and learn the finer points of LTIR?

    HawkFacts – thanks for the Leddy “defense”. Living in the Twin Cities, I can’t recall how many times I have heard Lou Nanne preach patience with D-Men and the extra time most require to develop into NHL talent. Listen to Clendening and others describe their objectives at Rockford, mainly to improve in certain areas of their game. Leddy was not afforded that opportunity (except for the strike-shortened season), jumping straight from the Gophers to the Blackhawks. Put Clendening in Leddy’s skates right now and tell me how that makes the Hawks better in 2015? It does not. Cap compliant – yes, better – NO! As pointed out by many, the Hawks want to win the 2015 Stanley Cup.

  46. wall says:

    Here is the WILD card… Like I suggested several weeks ago… (and I like Seabrook – a lot- so this is really an option suggestion/than a Wish)
    Trade Seabrook:

    Cons- Only D man w/ Size, hitting, Big late game/OT scoring knack

    Pros- Biggest Cap on D, a lot of big guys age/slow down more quickly w age, has had a few concussions

    I still think that Johns will be a very similar player (and Keith could really cover a lot of mistakes that any Rookie makes)… The ONLY question is- will Johns be ready this year??? Physically – YES!!!

    Conclusion- Seabrook’s skill set/game is the easiest to replace w/ Johns… and Keith would help facilitate John’s “learning”…

    Best yet- like others have stated- Move 32,23 together… gives Cap space + flexibility at trade deadline for rental!!!

  47. hawkfacts says:

    It doesn’t offend me but its wrong. Keith and Hjalmarsson are a great pair. Seabrook and Leddy are the next best pair. During the Stanley Cup year, those were the pairs. The Hawks NHL ranking on defense that year? No. 1 We all know the pairs this past year. Results – 14th

    Moving Leddy makes absolutely no sense. If that offends anybody too bad. Using the cap to hate on Leddy is a weak excuse. The cap is no issue.

  48. Sr. Brad says:

    As I have said time and again, Leddy has some of our best +/- numbers, Corsi numbers and points for DMen on the team…he’s young and NOW PHYSICALLY STRONG, after playing the last 2 season with with a rotating cast. He is a CONTROLLED player with a reasonable contract #…there is NO WAY the Hawks move Leddy, unless its a huge deal for a missing piece, but with Richards signed, we don’t need to make that move.

    Leddy just tweeted a photo with him and his friends on the Lake this summer…the kid is HUGE, this is night and day from where he was “strength wise” 2 years ago. Why get rid of him? With his speed, his experience and his “Batman” like physique, pair him with Seabrook (a guy who he has meshed well with) and they can be our “shutdown” pair…put Hammer with Keith and you have the best D pair in the league. From there we just need to find 3 guys to rotate through 5 and 6…how about Rozy mentoring Dahlbeck and Runblad, until Clendening and Johns are ready to take starting roles?

    But you don’t get rid of Nick Leddy…he’s not a problem, so why potentially create one?

  49. Tab Bamford says:

    Let’s assume we all love Nick Leddy, Johnny Oduya and even Brent Seabrook.

    Of those three, which is the ONE player who, if traded, gets you comfortably clear of the cap AND can be most easily replaced internally right now?

    There is one answer. And he’s been wearing Roenick’s number.

    RIGHT NOW, the Hawks cannot seamlessly replace Seabrook internally. Someday, Johns might be that guy… but he is not that guy on Oct. 1, 2014.

    RIGHT NOW, you and I might see some flaws in the game of a defenseman in his mid-20s, but there’s a LOT of potential still untapped in Leddy. And, perhaps more important than his upside, his cap number doesn’t get you far enough under the cap if he, alone, is dealt.

  50. Tab Bamford says:

    [somebody let Hawksfacts know the Hawks need to cut over $2M before the regular season starts to be compliant]

  51. Mike says:

    I agree, 27 is the man on the move. I am a Leddy fan, just threw that out for conversation. One could hope that someone wants Rosy. I am will to give Versteeg the first 20 games to see what he has.

    Bottom line in Rosy and Oduya off the books would be a HUGE help.

  52. hawkfacts says:

    Tab – know that. See my earlier solution. Waivers on Rosival & Versteeg. Teuvo gets sent down. Worth 2.7

    And by the way, 23 years old is not mid twenties. See earlier comparisons to Hawks dmen and others

  53. wall says:

    My # 7 trade… really is looking ahead to the Saad contract and Cap for that year… Hawks will most likely need to shed more than 27 and 23!!!

  54. EbonyRaptor says:

    If the objective is to win the 2015 Stanley Cup (hint: IT IS), the best roster for meeting that objective includes 2, 4, 7, 8, & 27. PERIOD. The Hawks do not have to clear cap space for the 2015/16 season now – they have to clear only enough for the 2014/15 season and they can do that without trading any of the top-5 d-men (listed). They don’t need to trade Sharp or any of the big ticket forwards before next summer either.

    What is so difficult to understand about that. Do the bare minimum to get under the 2014/15 Cap, win the Cup, and then worry about the 2015/16 cap after the 2015 Stanley Cup parade.

    Trade Rozsival (include a draft pick if necessary), play with a 22 man roster. DONE.

  55. hawkfacts says:

    ah! The voice of reason ER. My point exactly. Get through the year and see what happens. And Seabrook, Oduya and Versteeg all playing for contracts will make the following season’s choices much clearer. (as well as gauging the Saad/Teuvo upside as I mentioned earlier.)

    This team as currently constructed can win the cup — Remember the good old days of 2nd line Handzus, 3rd line Brookbank and 4th line Bollig. Anybody who doesn’t feel better already about the upcoming year?

  56. HawksNation4All says:

    Hawks are $2.2 Million over the cap – Roszival’s Cap Hit = $2.2 Million

    This isn’t rocket science. During training camp when other teams deal with injuries or come to grips with young kids not being ready they will go out and get a veteran dman. Roszival with Stanley Cup experience and coming from a winning org like the Hawks has value to teams. Combine that with his salary is only $1.75 Million and some team will give Stan a 5th/6th rounder for Roszi…the same way that he got a pick for Bollig and “the playoff experience” that Calgary valued, will be the same way he moves Roszi. Stan said as much already and I don’t think he is worried about it at all…he certainly will not have to add a pick of our own to move him.

  57. Sr. Brad says:

    ER, I agree with your sentiment, that winning the Cup this coming year should be our #1 goal and keeping the top 5 DMan gives us the best chance…I also agree that letting Oduya walk free next year, after hypothetically winning another Cup, doesn’t bother me in the least…but as HN4 said, your numbers don’t work with “just” Rozy…it would have to be Versteeg as well…we MUST have at least $1 million come trade deadline time so that we can make a move if we need to….simply covering the Cap shortfall isn’t enough.

    And as to what Mike said, the Hawks would be foolish (if winning the Cup in 2015 is the #1 priority) to NOT give Versteeg the first 20 games to prove himself, after an entire summer to rehab his knee and conditioning. The Versteeg deal sure looked good to me in December and January!

    Wall, as for Seabrook…he will get dealt but not until Johns shows that he is that replacement (or Dahlbeck), not if winning the Cup is the main thing.

  58. SouthSideHawkMan says:

    Excellent post to everyone. Hawkfacts, nice stats thanks for posting, its good to look at Leddy w some perspective.

    Subtracting Rosy by himself is not enough to get the Hawks under the cap. Rosy is a 2.2 million cap hit and the Hawks unfortunately are 2.216 million over. That means even if Rosy is moved they still are 16k over the cap. However, that number is with TT on the NHL Roster.

    SO lets assume Rosy is traded for a bag of pucks and TT starts the season in RFD then the Hawks are slightly under the cap. Now if the Hawks want to move TT up after the season starts Regin or Runbad will need to be sent down or moved to waivers. I would assume both would be picked up if the Hawks tried to send them down.

    As for RFD TT skated with Rasmussen & Hartman @ rookie camp. All 3 of those guys aren’t far away from being NHL roster players but TT is at the top of the pack with Rasmussen only slightly behind. I wouldn’t be surprised if either of them made the NHL roster. Either way the Hawks will have a VERY loaded roster this season and might actually push for another Presidents cup.

    I would think that is the most realistic roster move IF SB wants the keep the roster in tact as much as possible.

  59. SouthSideHawkMan says:

    Another roster scenario that works is Rosy is gone, & Runbad is sent down. TT opens in Chicago and any of the 3 top defense prospects open the season as the 6th defenseman. All three carry a cap hit below Runbad so Johns, Clendening or Kas Dahlbeck could make the NHL roster. 1 of them can realistic make the team as the Hawks 6th d-man and the Hawks are under the cap.

  60. EbonyRaptor says:

    Exactly – not just trade Rozy – but trade Rozy AND send TT to Rockford (which means the Hawks will have a 22 man roster instead of 23 – but so what – Rockford is just up the highway).

  61. wall says:

    SSHM- Make some $$$ Room for MOOSE!!!! like it!!!

  62. Ernie says:

    Sharp and Oduya for Evander Kane? Any takers, or have I had way too much to drink tonight?

  63. morrison says:

    I think that’s what were doing. So all of the younger guys can get in at anytime…

    rasMOOSE.

  64. Frolik Navidad says:

    Evander Kane will never happen. Hawks are looking to shed salary and gain cap flexibility. Acquiring Kane won’t accomplish that or help us in the long haul. Let Philly or someone take him.

  65. Ernie says:

    Sharp for Kane straight up saves 650k. My thinking is you could always trade Kane next year. The risk is it doesn’t work out, and teams would shy from him if it didn’t work in a perfect situation. If it does work, you could potentially get a higher return on Kane than Sharp as Sharp’s value is eventually going to diminish. It’d be a big gamble. One I doubt would happen.

  66. Sr. Brad says:

    Wow, of course you don’t make this deal…Sharp knows how to win Stanley Cups, Kane knows how to wear a cup…winning and losing are learned traits…

  67. SouthSideHawkMan says:

    I trade for Kane any day of the week too much potential for a scorer not even hitting his prime w a cap friendly deal. I would trade Kane for anyone not named Kane, Keith, Saad or Toews,…..sorry Leddy and Teuvo.

    IMO SB is going to roll dice w this core 1 last season and then wholesale changes.

  68. Ernie says:

    I agree with you sshm.

  69. Ernie says:

    Sr. Brad, doesn’t the captain of the Jets have 2 cup rings? So immediately after winning his second cup here, Ladd all of a sudden learned how to lose?

  70. noonan96 says:

    Sorry Ernie-but to continue on Sr. B’s answer-
    Ladd has the heart of a champion. E. Kane has a heart-

    That said the other Kane grew up what’s not to say E won’t-but he is a gamble with huge talent.

  71. Joey Zamboni says:

    No on E. Kane.
    P.Kane has a clause in his contract that he is to be the ONLY Kane on the roster……
    Unless of course it’s his favorite stripper “Candy” Kane……

  72. HawksNation4All says:

    Interesting discussion re: Evander Kane. At first reading my initial reaction was no, no, no, and no….but after looking at the numbers and thinking about it some, I don’t think it’s as cut and dry as that. Now do I think this has any chance of happening? Absolutely not. Things are very different in reality than they are on paper…but on paper….

    The Jets have said publicly that they are looking for a “young top 6 forward or a young potential top 4 defenseman” as part of the return package on E. Kane….i.e. that means Nick Leddy who is young, can slot in the top 4, and is an RFA next year so he is cost controlled. Patrick Sharp replaces Kane nicely for the Jets, and he is signed for 3 years, only one less than Kane. The Jets are also not a cap team, while the Hawks are, so the BHawks care about cap hit, while the Jets care more about salary.

    So lets say the deal is E. Kane & Anthony Peluso ($562,500) for Patrick Sharp & Nick Leddy

    Patrick Sharp – 3 year contract
    Cap Hit – 3 yrs @ $5.9 Million but his salary is $6.5, $5.5, $5 (700k less than cap)

    Evander Kane 4 yrs @$5.25 Million but his salary is $6 Million per ($3 Million more)

    Blackhawks have Nick Leddy also off the books $2.7 Million for cap flexibility and the Jets get the young talented player they want plus a replacement for Kane (who wasn’t staying after the 4 years anyway) Peluso is a young big body for the Hawks 4th pairing and he is cheap. The Hawks would then have E. Kane & Saad as their young talented LW as part of their core, not to mention a very good 3rd line LW in Bickell which is the kind of depth you need for a Cup. It works on paper in my opinion, but in reality, who knows if E. Kane will really seamlessly fill in for Sharp this year, and Stan isn’t giving away the chance at a cup this year. Also one of Dahlbeck, Johns, and Clendening would need to take Leddy’s place, but then no need to move Oduya and plenty of cap flexibility to make moves at the deadline.

  73. HawksNation4All says:

    Peluso is for 4th line not pairing

  74. HawksNation4All says:

    Possible lines after the trade…

    E.Kane – Toews – Hossa
    Saad – Richards – P.Kane
    Bickell – Moose – Shaw
    Smith – Kruger – Morin
    Versteeg – Regin – Peluso – reserve line

    Seabs – Keith
    Hammer – Oduya
    Dahlbeck – Roszi/Rundblad (Johns/Clendening/Van R)

    That is 24 on the roster including an entire extra line and a 7th dman and still only at $68,940,962 – Choosing Regin or Peluso to send down gives plenty of flexibillty, choosing Versteeg gives enough room to make a move at the deadline.

  75. Sr. Brad says:

    Ernie what does that even mean? Andrew Ladd is a champion, he was the one player I said we should NOT have let go and it cost us in 2011 and 2012…Ladd knows how to win it all, so does Sharp…where does Evander Kane come in? The NHL is not Maddensports video games…you don’t just plug and play…its about character, not numbers that wins championships…to that end the Hawks need more Hammers and more Shaws…

  76. SouthSideHawkMan says:

    @ HawksNation4All, I had thought about this exact trade after the season ended minus Peluso. Alot of people love Sharp. I am not one of them. He is a good player but the most replaceable core guy. With his age and salary I have confidence Sharp will never produce a better season then his last season. This is the perfect time to move him IMO.

    As for Leddy I have dicussed him on here at great lenghts. Is Nick Leddy a top 4 dman? Yes! Is he a top 4 defenseman on a cup champion….im not sure, but I lean towards No. Which is why I believe Q has limited him durning key mins and situations. Add in the fact that Winnipeg has gone on record saying they are looking for a young defenseman w an existing contract and I think the Hawks have the right personal to get Kane to the west side!

    Sharp & Leddy for E. Kane and replacement player x or draft pick,…..Yes!

  77. morrison says:

    For the record when I mentioned ‘I think that’s what were doing. So all of the younger guys can get in at anytime… rasMOOSE.’
    I was referring to this post…
    EbonyRaptor says:
    ‘Exactly – not just trade Rozy – but trade Rozy AND send TT to Rockford (which means the Hawks will have a 22 man roster instead of 23 – but so what – Rockford is just up the highway).’

    SrBrad,
    ‘to that end the Hawks need more Hammers and more Shaws…’ I cant wait until Ross is ready.

  78. HawksNation4All says:

    SSHM – If you consider that Sharp will most likely need to be moved next year anyway when 88 & 19′s contracts kick in, as well as Saad’s coming raise. Also with Leddy going to be a RFA he will also be getting more money, and as we have all said we need to start the transition to the younger dmen with as little disruption as possible…that would be replacing Leddy with Dahlbeck this year and keeping the top two pairings. Finally, the critical question to ask ourselves is if we do thin that Sharp will need to be moved next year for cap reasons….then the chances of the Hawks getting a young top line talent back like Evander Kane signed for 4 years is slim to none, so while it’s possible Kane might be a step back this year from Sharp, that’s not for certain as with their ages their career arcs are sure to converge as Sharp ages, not to mention it would be an extra year of control for the top LW. As Brad said though, I don’t know Kane’s makeup, and I haven’t heard the best things, so it could end up backfiring in our faces…or Kane could get on a line with Toews & Hoss, on a winning team and take his game to another level.

  79. Tab Bamford says:

    A two-part, rhetorical question in the midst of the Evander Kane lovefest:

    When was the last time Stan Bowman traded inside the division?

    What evidence does anyone have that he would want to/even entertain the thought of trading Sharp inside the division?

    [reminder: Ladd & Byfuglien were traded to Atlanta, not Winnipeg]

  80. Boy Named Sioux says:

    ER – I have been pounding the “trade Rozy and draft picks for a lesser number of draft picks plus TT at Rockford” scenario for quite some time. Rundblad gets about 10 day regular season try out before determining whether he stays or goes. If he gets traded after that (4th round draft choice?) then the Hawks have more cap room to audition Rockford shuttle D-Men before making a determination whether to move #27 prior to the trade deadline.

    Such an approach is fairly conservative in that it enables significant time to evaluate the Rockford D-Men at the Varsity level before deciding whether to move #27.

  81. Ernie says:

    Last summer when he traded Frolik to Winnipeg. Granted Frolik is no Patrick Sharp, but Evander Kane isnt a couple of draft picks.

  82. noonan96 says:

    For those that have seen him live-how does Clendening stack up around skating compared to other 190 pounders?
    I know as a former baseball scout it was all about projection and intangibles-what would this guy like be at 22/23. He’s in that age-very close to Leddy. (I know most defensemen come into their own around 25/26) Taking away years in the NHL and cap considerations which guy has more upside? Leddy has a plus tool and perhaps A.C. does as well?
    It also appears, looking at his face/hands that he is naturally strong. Did he get pushed around in the minors?

  83. HawksNation4All says:

    Tab – RE: E. Kane & Bowman trading within the division…

    As I said at the start of my comments, I don’t think that their is any chance that this deal (Sharp+Leddy for Kane + ) would ever happen in reality. It was just an exercise to see if it could work on paper since others had brought it up.

  84. SouthSideHawkMan says:

    @HawksNation4All

    It could happen and should happen! In all fairness did Hossa or Sharp do anything in the SC playoffs? Hossa didn’t even show up! Sharp showed up in game 7 after contributing almost nothing the rest of the way. The whispers about Sharp were he was hurt but was he? As a matter of fact I think Sharp hurt the team more then helped them.

    IMO Stanley cups are won on teams top 11 players(top 6 forwards/top 4 defenseman and goalie) Sharp and Hossa are both on the back 9 of their careers. Saad has shown that he is ready to be a top 6 forward on a contender. Brad Richards is a top 6 forwards. Now the 2 weakest forwards are Hossa and Sharp. Hossa can’t be moved because of his contract So that leaves number 1o! I am ready to move on past the Sharp era. I’m probably in the minority on this mindset but if the Hawks want to maximize Sharps value you move him right NOW! SB is an account by nature so he will keep his core and roll the dice again and the Hawks might win another cup. But I think his salary is too much and its time for Kane to get a letter on his sweater!

  85. Frolik Navidad says:

    SSHM- The next in line for a letter on their sweater is Seabrook. Whenever Sharp, Keith, or Toews are out of the lineup, he dons the “A”. Even if he is traded I don’t see Kane wearing the “A”. Q would put Hossa ahead of Kane.

  86. Joey Zamboni says:

    #Bringbackchelios

  87. Craig nigrelli says:

    Fantastic write up and follow up answers/analysis Tab. I was reading in the most recent Hockey News that Detroit GM Ken Holland said it is now a draft and develop league. Stan Bowman obviously recognizes this as he often says he’d like to acquire more picks as the draft approaches.

    The more I read about Snuggerud, the more it sounds like he might be quite a steal in the 5th round.

    I was also a bit surprised that Rockford signed Karill Gotovets. He like will end up playing for Indy in the echl, but you would think the hawks would want Rockford to sign a kid like Holl, who can also play 4th line right wing.

  88. Sr. Brad says:

    SSHM, I can’t believe you made those remarks about Hossa and Sharp…Hossa play making and scoring led us through the end of the Blues series and the Wild series…after the Wild, Hossa led our team in playoff scoring…Sharp worked his ass off all playoffs…he was just ANCHORED with Zus…so was Kane…why didn’t you rip into Kaner then? After the first 2 series, Kane had contributed little. Then in the LA series, Kane was cut loose from Zus and put up unbelievable numbers in 3 games (11 points in 3 games), and Sharp was cut loose from Zus the last two games, and might have been our best player…in other words, not their fault they were shackled with Handzus…

    As for Hossa during the Kings series, the same goes for Bickell…so many of you guys have thrown Hossa and Bickell under the bus for their 2014 playoff run, which is RIDICULOUS!!! Hossa and Bickell were our 2 best forewards before the King’s series…then they were slowed down, neutralized by the Kopitar line…BUT, they contributed to absolutely shutting down the Kopitar line…and if you are ripping on Hossa and Bickell, then you need to rip on Toews…because he was “limited” in the King’s series as well based on your logic…however, Toews and Kane are now “beyond” the cat calls, right?

    For the last time, Hossa and Bickell had monster post seasons and had HUGE performances against the Kings…the average fan just didn’t notice all the things that they did in that series to neutralize Kopitar’s line.

  89. Tab Bamford says:

    re: Carey – I think there are a few guys battling for a roster spot, and who could make life hell for Morin, Regin & Versteeg this season. Nordstrom, Carey, Rasmussen and even Danault could push for a bottom six spot imo. But, as we all know, Quenneville likes players who bring a specific style and Bowman has a timeline in his mind for each prospect. How/Where Mashinter fits into this whole mess is another thing… if Bowman thinks he can be an affordable Bollig replacement (is that necessary?)

  90. wall says:

    Tab- agree on Mashinter… I have never seen him skate – so Don’t know how that part of his game fits in with Hawks … is he a Scary/Checking Eager type… a Bollig??? Or does he skate closer to a Scott???

    BUT- Mash is a big guy— who actually has scored at a decent clip in AHL (Bollig was never a scoring threat in AHL)… SO- if Mash has decent wheels- I don’t see why he couldn’t be MORE useful than 52 was w/ 16/28… at a nice low Cap hit… and get beat up like Bollig every 4th game ( to keep Q happy)!!!

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