Jimmy Vesey

Report: Blackhawks Among Vesey’s Top Choices

According to a report from Joe Haggerty at CSNNE.com on Wednesday afternoon, college free agent forward Jimmy Vesey has narrowed his list of preferred teams to three: the Rangers, Devils and Blackhawks.

Boston is not one of Vesey’s top choices according to the report, which is newsworthy. Vesey, who was Harvard’s captain last season, is from Boston. He can sign anywhere on Aug. 16.

From the article:

The Blackhawks have made a big push for the 6-foot-2, 215-pounder in recent weeks, with both GM Stan Bowman and head coach Joel Quenneville traveling to Foxboro to watch the youngster play in the Summer Pro League at the Foxboro Sports Center. It would appear playing with Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane while immediately competing for a Stanley Cup are the big selling points.

  • UPDATES – here are your obligatory “take it with a grain of salt” updates from the weekend. Vesey becomes a free agent on Tuesday morning.

93 thoughts on “Report: Blackhawks Among Vesey’s Top Choices

  1. Thumbs up to Stan if he sign with Chicago! It would be great to see him with Toews or Kane or both in future!

    Vesey – Toews – Hossa
    Panarin – Anisimov – Kane
    Motte – Kruger – Schmaltz
    Panik – Rasmussen – Hartman
    Extra: Desjardins – Tootoo

    Keith – Hjalmarsson
    Campbell – Seabrook
    Kempny – van Riemsdyk
    Extra: Rozsival or Gustafsson

    Crawford
    Darling

  2. Sounds more like this guy had an epiphany while sitting on the commode. I find it highly unlikely that Jimmy Vesey would pare down his list to 3 teams less than a week out from being able to listen to any team he would like to hear from

  3. Ernie…
    The 4th lineup could be:

    Panik – Desjardins – Hartman

    But Desjardins at 4C for 82 games … I’m not sure about that maybe à mix of Kero, Hinostroza or Lundberg

  4. Even if the Hawks are fortunate and sign Vesey, I think expectations should be tempered. It’s very unlikely he has a rookie season like Panarin did last season – Panarin is a much more gifted offensive player. Vesey looks like he can step into a top-6 role but I would be extremely pleased if he plays a solid 200 foot game and gets close to 50 points. Maybe if he plays with Kane we could hope for a little more but I think 50 points would be a fine rookie season.

  5. Of those three teams, I firmly believe Vesey would be foolish not to sign with the Hawks. Picking one over another isn’t going to affect the money he makes. He has a chance to instantly compete for the top prize with the Hawks. Then, after two years, he would be free to go wherever he would want. What a great position to be in. If those are his top three options, I would say the Hawks are the favorite.

  6. I still see Kruger at 4th line center. As for the number of youngsters, I believe Q will still be using Tootoo, Rosy, & Mash more than any of us here would like. Not sure about Tootoo, but I have seen enough of the last two.

  7. Are the Hawks looking to add Vesey and make a serious bid for Vermett? Some serious talent acquisitions, … let’s go front office!!

  8. The Hawks offer the best market potential for Vesey right now. He can’t be offered more than an ELC, so all teams are on equal footing on that front. But we can offer Vesey an opportunity to produce and win immediately. So when his ELC expires, he can command more money on the market. Panarin exemplifies that selling point. You can win the Calder playing with our stars. Then you get paid.

    Hawks are the favorite. 60/40 chance we sign him.

  9. How the hell can you put odds on where he signs. At best any information we get is hearsay. Speculation actually seems more probable. It’s pointless. Sure if we were in Vesey’s skates we’d sign with the Hawks. But we’re biased. It’s funny, we all wanted to piss on Kevin Hayes for wanting to play right away which meant going elsewhere. Now when we have a need were begging a kid.

    Vesey is still an unknown. Let’s remember the kid is 23. He was passed over his first year of draft eligibility and drafted in the third round his second time around. He actually had a better junior year than he did this year. The strength of opponent can be questioned. I think he plays a similar game to Saad…but I don’t think he’s as talented. He’s probably an upgrade over everyone LW except Panarin. But that’s not saying much.

  10. Ernie- So if Vesey signs, and scores 45-55 points and can skate a solid 15-16 minutes a night, you wouldn’t be excited for that? Is that Panerin level, no. But thats certainly more than what Panik brings to the top line (and i like panik as a role player). And its not like the ECAC is a push over. Quinnipiac and Yale were 2 of the best teams last year and Vesey found points vs them.

    Is the kid the next coming? probably not. Is he the best player available (and affordable). Yes. Hes better suited for 1st line duty than players like Panik/Shaw (not better than shaw but better for 1st line)/Bickell/Tikhonov. All of those guys have been slotted there at one time or another since Saad left. Motte falls into the same group. But when you have a shot to add Vesey and still have motte too, you have to be excited for it.

    Yes, its fandom to hate Hayes and be excited for Vesey… but as must as i hated on Hayes its the system and he’s free to exploit it. Love the system when it good, hate the system when it bad. That’s anything in life, really.

  11. Vesey- the kid has IQ, vision, Patience, hands…

    NHL star??? for me- it’s always about speed/skating agility… always tough to measure VS. College/Jrs.- Unless the kid is “flying” past people… Like watching Larkin/Saad for 1st time… you knew they would Play in NHL… Another Guy in same mold- Zachary Senyshen… the kid can absolutely fly… unless he is brain dead- should make it to NHL…

  12. The kid is torn. Wants to be a Hawk, but wants to be on the east coast. How else do you explain wanting to be a NJD??

  13. Not sure he will be the player we all want ….i heard that Buffalo is the 1 choice ..i still think he could be a fit but iff he is not then he has a problem …not sure Hawks will play him …….still think we have 15-20% chance to land him …

  14. Ernie, we are all just shooting the shit. The only thing absent is the beer. At least I am not drinking any right now. Of course we can put odds on it. We can say anything we want. I was thinking we have a 63.756/36.244 chance we get Vesey. Just giving you a little jab. I think you know from the past that I respect your contributions. I thought “how the hell” was a little strong.

    Also, just want to point out that Shaw was passed over several times and was a #5 pick. We can all pray can’t we. I hope we sign the kid and that Bowman trades all the ancillary veterans so Q has no choice but to put them in and leave them there. I selfishly want to watch new kids rather than watching and complaining about re-treads in the blender.

  15. Just think it’s silly and doesn’t provide much by putting odds unless someone wants to pony up??

    Panarin was undrafted entirely. My point was while Vesey is highly touted, I think we need to lower our expectations. First on where he signs and second if he does, what kind of production he’ll have. Kevin Hayes had 17g and 28a his rookie year. That’s probably a good starting point. If he matches that and is on the Hawks I’d probably be happy.

    Explain the Devils…Kid wants to play. Taylor Hall probably hurts the Devils chances. They still have Camalleri on the roster.

    If the kid is completely unbiased and honestly is looking at coach, gm, nhl roster, prospects like he says. Nobody has what the hawks have. Win now? check. Coach? yep. GM? yep. Top line minutes available? you betcha. Talented linemates? Best paid. An absence of prospects at his position? mmhmm.

  16. Roy headed to Vegas? That would be perfect for him. How about a triumphant return to Montreal after Therrien is unceremoniously dumped!

    Now who the heck can coach the Av’s?

  17. I thought the same thing. If Therrien last the season Im betting Vegas.

    Tim Army
    Dave Farrish
    Nolan Pratt( Was hired in July)

    Your Avalanche coaches. Yeah, Id probably resign too.

  18. I thought the pre-odds arguments I posted (i.e. 90% of it) had merit.

    I’m not expecting Vesey to reproduce Panarin’s numbers. I’m saying Panarin’s success in our system and with our stars is a good selling pitch to Vesey. So my expectations of Vesey himself are neutral. My expectation of signing him, though, is pretty high. But fuck me for putting numbers on it I guess…

  19. I’ll go ahead and jump onboard the Patrick Roy-next-coach-Montreal Canadiens bandwagon. So they chose Therrien over P.K. (ludicrous), and expectations rose for Therrien accordingly. He’ll have a pretty short last chance in Montreal this year. Roy in the wings, and you know he wants that over Vegas.

  20. And all this talk about Vesey is meaningless; hearsay at best. I hope he comes to us but nobody knows right now, not even him

  21. The thing about Vesey. It appears Stan has a plan B.
    With Vermette, Hudler and Vrbata still available.
    There are an assortment of players likely available for a 1-year deal.

    I maintain that I have a gut feeling that Stan will sign Vesey.

    Looking forward to next week for sure.

  22. Seeing reports on Friday that Vesey is really down to two. Hawks and Leafs.

    If so, Stan needs to enlist the help of Toews and Kane, maybe even Seabrook if he’s available to win and dine him and shine those Stanley Cup rings in front of him at the best steakhouse possible.

    If he says no to that, then so be it.

  23. One other thought on Vesey. Stan was able to sign Panerin in a year without having a first round pick. Panerin proved every bit as good as MCDavid and Eichel for now.
    You could make the case that Panerin was a top 3 talent in the 2015 draft.

    If the Hawks sign Vesey and he initially turns out better than either Matthews, Laine, ,Pujharjvi, Dubois joulevi, you could make the case that Stan pulled top 5 talent as it relates to the 2016 draft.

    That would be an act of Houdini. Having no first rounder in 2015 and 2016 and yet pretty much “drafting/signing/finding top first round talent without giving any assets.

  24. 2 sources have listed the Hawks as top 3. Haggerty has said the Bruins are not in the top 3. I’ve seen Leafs Hawks. And Hawks rangers Bruins. But if Haggerty is to be believed that puts the Bruins out.

    I just wonder who their sources are. If I’m Vesey the only people I’m talking to are my family and agent. I’m just skeptical. Especially after the Reilly fiasco last year.

  25. Capfriendly has a list of 15 players that will be UFA August 16. FWIW, the 8/15 day is the last day teams hold player rights. Let down.

    Thomas Dipauli is another noticeable name on the list. Almost a ppg player at Notre Dame. From the Suburbs so he might be a name to watch.

  26. If it’s Toronto, we are competing with that could go a number of way. Vesey wants to play in the organization where his father works and his brother is in their system. The possibility of being on Austin Matthews’ wing will be a draw as well.

    But if the Veseys get a bit leery of the “tampering” blow back and feel Jimmy signing with Toronto won’t pass the smell test(especially where Nashville is concerned ), that could work against Toronto. They may just decide, let Jimmy play hockey without the side circus and controversy.

    The plot thickens.

  27. With Vesey being a free agent on 8/16 (not 8/15), and with his expressed wishes to talk with several teams before making his decision, I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t know until late next week.

  28. I don’t think tampering will be an issue. Mike Reilly’s dad is minority owner of the wild. Whatever Vesey makes as an area scout for the Leafs will be peanuts compared to what Jimmy is about to make.

    The problem the Leafs will have is sure they have the forwards and goaltending. But who do they have on defense? Morgan Reilly and Jake Gardiner…and NOBODY else. They’re 2-3 years at least from where the Hawks are now. 2 years from now he can be an RFA and sign an offer sheet wherever hed like. But right now the Leafs have Lupul,JVR,Greening,Michalek, and recently signed Matt Martin at Left wing.

  29. Looks like Vermette will make a decision before Vesey is able to meet with teams. He has 5 offers. According to his agent.

  30. re: ER – his agent told Yahoo on Saturday that he does not plan on having meetings with teams. so stand down on the “Toews attending the pitcb” rumors…

    re: Reilly last summer – there was always a 97% chance he went to Minnesota. nobody should have been surprised by his decision. Not much of a comp.

  31. Jimmy Murphy of ESPN NH tweeted on Saturday that Vesey is down to Hawks and Devils.

    So for those keeping track the home, every alleged rumor that’s come from “sources” over the last couple weeks has been Blackhawks and Team B (Leafs, Rangers, Devils, Bruins, Sabres… pick one). the only team consistently mentioned is Chicago.

  32. Spoke with a friend of mine connected to the Hawks today. I told him
    Vesey watch is in overdrive and I’m psyched we might get him. He messaged me back and said, contact him Monday.

    I did not push any further.

    But same guy, when I talked with him after NCAA tourney, was pretty straight forward when I said they should try to
    sign Luke Johnson and John Hayden. He texted me back and said – “we are trying that’s the plan.”

    I have a really good, strong vibe about Vesey.

  33. It’s awesome we have people that know people that post here. Now, if y’all get my hopes up and he doesn’t sign…well I haven’t decided yet

  34. Thank you Mox and Craig ….oufff …now i will sleep better tonight …good to know thay Vesey will be a Hawks ….
    Now Guys can you tell me iff he will be a good fit with the team ? Will IQ play him ?

  35. Think Saad light, maybe not as flashy and not as defensively responsible. I’ve seen the Bozak comparison Q scouted him with Bowman. If Q wasn’t going to play him I doubt they’d be this hot on him.

  36. Latest news in Montreal …..Espn think Vesey will sighn with Habs …..euuhhhh …i didnt know Bergevin was interested ..

  37. Habs is new. People really trying to sell their product now. More culture shock going to Montreal than Chicago.

  38. Well Montreal is very close to Boston proximity wise. However I would caution on Marc Bergevin outfoxing Stan Bowman. Bergevin waited til the very last minute to turn down trading his 2015 first round pick for Patrick Sharp. He chose Noel Juulson. Sharp’s 55 points or roughly that amount would have helped the offense starved Canadiens this past season. Instead they completely folded with the injury of Price.

    I am of the belief that Stan getting Debrincat and Chad Krys for Andrew Shaw was a huge win. Debrincat was a 1st rounder and Krys is just a great kid with tremendous
    Wheels. Trading a much younger Subban for an older Weber was questionable.

    If the Habs beat out the Hawks for Vesey it will not be because their GM is really slick. Perhaps Vesey wants to stay in the Eastern Conference and driving distance to home. If so, so be it. Chicago is roughly a 75 minute flight. Patrick Kane’s parents do it constantly from Buffalo to Chicago and back. You barely get the peanuts and 3 ounces of Pepsi and you are landing.

    My money us still on the Hawks.

    Let you know more as I hear it.

  39. Bergevin lost Panarin to Hawks last year …Bergevin lost Kempny to Hawks this year…i think it would be a mistske to go to Montreal …fans and Journalist are expecting too much …

  40. Montreal isn’t good enough to attract the talent the Hawks can. But as far as culture shock. Its learning a new language. It’s dealing with the surly Montreal fans who are more rabid than anywhere else in the league.

    The Nashville deal could come back to bite the Preds. If Weber retires early it’s a huge recapture. If he retires with 1 year left it’s a 20+ million dollar recapture.

  41. NO WAY Hawks get Vesey!!!

    Just gotta say – to stay in line with my Stanley Cup predictions- and keep the streak alive!

  42. Read he’s zeroed in on Hawks and Devils. No matter where you read Hawks are always involved. Hawks are the only constant among all these “reports”.

    I don’t remember this kind of coverage when Hayes signed.

  43. Hayes quoted in Boston paper Sunday saying he told Vesey to listen to the pitches then go with his gut.

    My gut tells me playing alongside Toews will be the deal closer.

  44. I’m pretty sure Vesey’s right are still owned by Buffalo through August 15th which means other teams can’t talk with him until the 16th.

    I’m also pretty sure any rumors or inside information on Vesey’s intentions is just speculation. Every one has an opinion but no one but Vesey and maybe his family and representatives know what he’s thinking and his family and representatives aren’t going to betray his trust just so a bunch of reporters and hockey blog people can know his decision … and that’s if he himself has even made a final decision yet.

  45. Just ran into Vesey at Wall- mart…

    He told me it was a done deal!!!

    just didn’t tell me — With who!!!

  46. Yes!

    just tired of waiting…

    It’s killing me… really think if Hawks are lucky enough to sign him… They will be favorites to SC run… if they don’t… could be a long year (unless Schmaltz and someone else prove to be legit studs… right off the bat)

    Vesey- I see him being somewhere in between Saad/KHayes in his 1st year production with Hawks (yes- I know KHayes did not play with Hawks)…

    Waaaaaiiiiitttttttttinnnnngggggg!!!!!

  47. I have mixed feelings on Vesey. I don’t like how this kid abandoned Nashville and has been allowed to play the field. I think there are other teams around the league who will be highly displeased with whatever team signs this kid. Can you imagine Nashville going up against the Blackhawks with Vesey in uniform? Well, we better get an enforcer added to his line because some Pred is going to seek to rip his head off.

    We all thought Kevin Hayes was a prick for what he did. The Vesey situation is really no different. And most important, this kid is by no means a sure thing in the NHL. In fact, he has been overhyped to the max. He’s already 23 years old too.

  48. Agreed Ebony. I always thought the 15th was the date up until Capfriendly posted something on twitter. as if the anticipation wasnt enough

  49. I never had an issue with what Hayes did. I don’t want to watch a player that doesnt want to be here play. He waited 4 years, got an education, and waited to get paid to play. You can’t force anyone to work for you.

  50. RTF- personally – I was only offended by KHayes- due to the Banter of the Hawks “doing ” others wrong… at the time “Free Pirri, Free Morin” bullshit…

    Like Ernie said- KHayes- had a right by NHL rules to do what he did… no problem… just didn’t need to start/chirp other shit… be a professional about it… say the “right BS” and go where u want…

    BTW- the Hawks were dead right on the Morin/Pirri abilities… so it just make KHayes look even worse

  51. Wall,
    I think your assessment of signing Vesey is off base. “…if Hawks are lucky enough to sign him… They will be favorites to SC run… if they don’t… could be a long year…”

    Come on!!! Really? This kid is not going to make or break this team’s season. He will be a nice addition, but, one way or another, he isn’t going to influence this team to that degree. He would be a piece to the puzzle, but, if missing, he will be replaced with something else.

    The rested core and the fortified defense will drive the results of this team. Those factors will make it a successful season by most standards. However, I don’t know if that will give our fan base the cup we expect at the beginning of each season.

    I am believing that this season will be comparable to the 2013 season where our defense dominates and leads the league. Bowman will then add the pieces we need for offense and a 1st line left wing.

    I hope we get Vesey and I hope we stay injury free. My fingers are crossed.

    Go Hawks

  52. Boo- I really think the Kid is that good (especially when you consider the cost)

    and – Hawks – can still be ok- w/o Vesey… but Schmaltz and or Motte will have to be very good contributors…

    yes- I like the D better… but u just lost 65/TT… and that is not going to be replaced by Hino/Hartman/Lundberg– imo

  53. Wall,

    I have a gut feeling the kid will opt for the Hawks. I hope he is that good and we get another surprise Calder Trophy winner this year (actually him, Schmaltz, or Motte).

    Shaw was a big loss because he was versatile and did whatever he was asked. He was also a big game player. Ernie can confirm this, but I believe his production was better in the playoffs than it was in the regular season. He had a championship heart and that is very, very difficult to find/replace. The bigger the game, the bigger his heart was in competing during those games.

    I really do no believe TT was a big loss. With his skills, you would think he would make others around him look better. I think it was the other way around. In 2015, I believe Sharp and Vermette made him better. And, I don’t believe, from what I have read, that he has the disciplined commitment to be a leader on a championship team. I don’t believe he even approaches the championship caliber we have had in the core players we have been lucky to have in this 6-7 year run. Lastly, I also believe his fear on the ice significantly neutralize the god given skills he possesses. He will not be missed as much as some might think. I would not be surprised if he is not traded by the Canes in a year or two because of some of these reasons.

    Vesey, make the right call – commit to the Indian – you’ll never regret it.

  54. Wall, I am the same way with Hayes. He regret that decision when he would have been on 2015 Stanley Cup Team.

  55. The most frequently mentioned destinations for Kayes were Calgary (so he could play with Gaudreau) and Boston (home). Neither came true. I don’t even recall NYR being mentioned. So honestly, I have no idea where Vesey lands.

  56. Andrew Shaw

    322 regular season games 70 goals 67 assists. .21 goals per game .42 points per game

    67 playoff games 16 goals 19 assists. .23 goals per game, .52 points per game

  57. Nice memory there Jordy. The allure in Calgary was both of his linemates from BC were there. Bill Arnold being the other. He played in 1 NHL game to date and had 22 points in 52 AHL games last year.

  58. Vesey would be a nice addition to the Hawks but expecting him to make a big contribution on the first line is a stretch. He will be fighting for a roster spot with the likes of Motte and Schmaltz and a few other Rockford boys. I watched a great deal of college hockey this year and came away with the feeling that Schmaltz is more gifted offensively than Vesey and may be more productive long term. In fact the few times I have seen tape of Debrinicat he also looks more offensively skilled than Vesey. Of course Debrinicat’s size may hold him back. I would not count out Motte. The guy is a pit bull and Q will probably appreciate his 200 foot game.

  59. No problem Booman. Ask and you shall receive.

    I think Schmaltz is more skilled. But, I think there’s internal debate on what he is. The 45% at the dot in college is an issue. With that in mind he probably spends time in Rockford to start so the Hawks can see what he is at the pro level.

  60. Scouts are mixed on Schmaltz. They believe that he has games where he dominates and others where he completely disappears.

    One of the plus on Vesey is he can get his shot off pretty regularity.

  61. Agent quoted as saying Vesey decision by about Friday. Let’s hope Hudler has the patience to wait a few more days.

    If Vesey says no, Stan will have to pounce on his plan B (that’s assuming Hudler is his plan B )

  62. Well… I went to last prospect scrimmage and watched Several N. Dakota games… yes Schmaltz has some great vision,,, and as I said post Scrimmage made some passes that were Kane like or better… but that was vs. the “boys”…

    as far as Schmaltz Vs. Vesey… hard to compare… Schmaltz was playin with 2 guys that will most likely be in NHL very soon… Boeser ( Stud) and Caggulia (speed)…

    Vesey- had to carry a lot of the load for Harvard… Vesey has size on his side and Plays a high IQ game…

    I think both guys have a bright future… and both would do better with the Hawks vs. most teams in league… due to their “Styles”

  63. The downside with Vesey was the opponent’s Harvard faced. Not the best. That’s why the summer league in Foxboro actually meant something as it was played with other NHL players.

  64. Twitter sphere already reporting that Hawks struck at midnight and made an offer to Vesey. Stan and company not waiting around. They are going all in, hard.

    Compare that to Mike Smith in the early 2000’s. He used to roll into the office on trade deadline day round 945 am, saying he did not expect much to happen. Talk about not making anything happen.

  65. While I’m fine and happy if the Hawks sign Vesey I cannot fathom the level of hype this kid has received. He’s already 23 years old and playing at Harvard and putting up a great senior season is hardly predictor of NHL success. Vesey looks like he can skate and has some offensive upside. But tell you what, I won’t lose any sleep or be disappointed if the Hawks don’t get him.

  66. Vesey told Detroit he wants to play closer to home. Honesty….or just a kind way to tell them he’s not interested in what they’re selling?

  67. Would love to see us sign Vesey from an organizational depth perspective. It does, however, seem a bit far-fetched to think that he is the missing piece for a long playoff run this year. If nothing else he would give SB one more bullet if he needs to pull the trigger on a deal later in the year or next off-season. As we saw this summer it required packaging TT to move the Bickell contract and the more depth we have in the organization the more options we have at crunch time.

  68. Thanks Wall

    Clearly, Jimmy Vesey has a lot of hype surrounding him these days and honestly it’s deserved. Clearly he likely won’t be a top front line player like Brandon Saad, however ,middle 6 wingers on ELC deals and NHL ready are a hot commodity. I like this team with Vesey more than without Vesey. Craig Button seems to think the Hawks will land him just based on his conversations with his agent and what he is looking for.

    Remember all the hype around Mike Reily and how bad he was last season!

  69. I’m auditioning for Hockeybuzz…

    According to one of my sources, the odds that Vesey signs with the Hawks are down to 57.78326/42.21674. My source, who wishes to remain anonymous, is high up in the Blackhawk organization (a beer vender in section 320) indicates Vesey’s mother is influencing his decision in a major way. She does not wish him to stray far from home. He also wants to be home for her home cooked meals. More to come as this scenario develops further.

  70. The chance are now at less then 10% according to Me …Sabres or leafs are around 40% and 40% …..
    But remember …like everybody here i have no clue its just a feeling
    Its too bad for him iff he sign with another team ….he will miss the next Stanley Cup …very Soon …Go Hawks Go .

  71. I have it around 10% chance too…
    Seems like he wants to stay near home… and the fact that he is good friends with KHayes… is NOT good… and a bit disconcerting!!!

  72. Whoever lands Vesey will need a lot of Cap space next year. I assume he will get the maximum bonus potential available. With Vesey, the Hawks use another $3mm or so in Cap space for 17-18.

    So a big question, is Vesey the “difference” in winning the Cup in 16-17?

    Another question, will all the hype affect his game the first year or two?

  73. Just because Vesey has a potential to get 2.8 in bonuses doesnt mean he will. Panarin had to be a top 10 scorer to do it. Nobody see’s Vesey being on that level.

  74. Ernie- Here is my comment on 72/Bonuses/Vesey…

    If Q – skates 72 w/o Kane for half of Games last year… imo- No way does 72 get into top 10 and get Big bonus!!!

    Like wise-Vesey skates with 88… has a chance at some Bonuses …
    then 72- has little chance at bonus this year-

    That is part of reason- I wanted Q to split up 72/88… (and it would balance scoring as well)– but hurt us this year for Cap!!!

  75. Bread Man can hit bonuses again playing with Kaner 82 games. Vesey would prob not even at 82 games with Kaner. I think Bread Man doesn’t get the same bonuses this time because 1st line will be better and balance scoring more then what the 2nd line did in the 1st 20-25 games or so.

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