Nick Schmaltz

Blackhawks Sign Nick Schmaltz

UPDATE: at 5 pm CST the Blackhawks announced Schmaltz has signed a three-year entry-level deal.

A few short days after trading Teuvo Teravainen to unload Bryan Bickell’s contract, the Hawks may have brought signed a player to replace him.

Schmaltz, 20, was the Hawks first round pick (20th overall) in 2014. In his sophomore season at North Dakota, Schmaltz scored 11 goals with 35 assists in 37 games. North Dakota won the NCAA Championship this spring.

Blackhawks GM Stan Bowman spoke about Schmaltz specifically in the wake of trading Teravainen.

116 thoughts on “Blackhawks Sign Nick Schmaltz

  1. Lots of youth this year. I’ll really be interesting to see who rises to the challenge. Really excited!!!

  2. Mox- I think it depends on who else they bring aboard. Craig, thoughts on the kid compared to Teuvo and how is he along the boards.

  3. He’s probably about the same size as Teuvo so the question is whether he has the will to play through the physical punishment of NHL play. He’s probably not as nifty with the puck as TT and may not be as good defensively yet either. I’m sure he’ll get a long look in camp but I wouldn’t be surprised if he starts his pro career in Rockford.

    Still – a good signing, especially as an NCAA player who could walk for nothing after his 4th year.

  4. Ernie, good point on Q; however, something changed his mind! Will be exciting. Happy Fathers Day everyone.

  5. He may not be there opening day. But the depth chart certainly got shorter. He signs next year it’s a 2 year deal. Signs now it’s 3. Still ends the same, but start earning one year sooner.

  6. Hawks trying to get the fans not to panic over horrible Teuvo trade. The Teuvo trade was horrendous. If its being justified by salary cap problems then that tells me the Hawks are even more screwed in the sense that this horrendous deal was their best option. When you lose in the first round the last thing they should be giving up are players with huge upside and a number one pick they have been developing for years. The fact they did that tells me the salary cap situation is incredibly bad. Yes this Hawks fan is now horribly pessimistic. For me trading Teuvo like they did would have been the absolute last options. I am very disappointed.

  7. I think Shaw is gone too based on this signing. Too bad because Shaw is a heart and soul player.

  8. Well Pete Teuvo needs a new contract next year. So where’s the money going? To him or Panarin. No room for both so keep bitching about the trade all you want but I want Panarin locked up. Pretty straightforward.

  9. If by salary cap problems you mean having to pay Toews, Kane, Hossa, Keith, Hjalmarsson, Crawford, Seabrook, and Panarin after winning the Cup several times then I enjoy the Hawk’s problems so much.

  10. I’m not sure how the Schmaltz signing has anything to do with Shaw. Completely different game.

  11. Austin my post is not inconsistent with your post. The bottom line is the trade to me shows the Hawks are going downhill. I am sure its justified by salary cap problems but they are still going down. Very unfortunate reality.

  12. TT was way too soft. Can’t think of one instance all season where he made an impact. Great skill but not tough enough . Good move sending him on.

    I say sign Panarin and sign Shaw ( unless he gets greedy) . Then Stan really has to earn his salary by finding players to fill in around the core. Won’t be easy but he paid too much Gordon’s of core. Maybe Crawfird will go . Gonna be a tough year but it might be fun to see some young players develop.

  13. Ernie,

    Not the same skill set I agree but that’s not what I meant. They remain over the cap and they will address via youth. Maybe it means Hartman in the Shaw agitator role. Who knows, but one thing is for sure the Hawks need to purge one more core player to get Under cap so in my view it’s shaw or Crawford.

  14. I think the doom and gloom forecast is premature Pete. Kane and Keith alone make this team a competitor. You don’t know how this team will do. No one does. Why? Because not you, me, nor anyone else has any freaking idea how good Motte, Schmaltz, Kempny, or Pokka are going to be. No idea. I’m going to wait and see because if just one or two of them pan out, this Hawks team is a legitimate contender.

  15. only European veterans like Kempny, Panarin get guarantees. none for college players signing with the team that drafted them.

    Schmaltz is a terrific talent but would benefit from some time in the organization. He might eventually be a top 6 forward but assuming he personally solves the world’s problems isnt realistic.

  16. Rufus wrong Ernie right! That has a nice sound to it. The idiot Rufus is usually wrong about most things. Nice to hear Rufus say that signing Panarin is almost impossible, makes me think we’ll hear his signing soon! I pity his family (if he has any) having to put up with his pathetic personality on a daily basis. The only thing wrong with this site is that Rufus feels the necessity to spout his negativity on a daily basis. He probably has nothing better to do with his life.

  17. Let’s hope this report is correct!

    The Chicago Blackhawks could be adding a forward from the University of North Dakota other than former first-round pick Nick Schmaltz in the near future. Drake Caggiula, one of Schmaltz’s linemates for the Fighting Hawks this season, has commanded “high interest” from Chicago.

  18. Shaw isn’t even currently signed. So purging him does absolutely nothing for salary. Tender him. See what happens. They’re not over the cap right now. Damn close. But not over. I am in agreement that another big move appears inevitable. I don’t think you can afford to move a defenseman. That leaves in my opinion Crawford and Anisimov. And I don’t care for the idea of moving either one.

    Schmaltz probably does something similar to Shaw/Saad/Teuvo. Half a season at the rock and then the bump

  19. Trading TT for what the Hawks got was horrendous. My strong assumption is that Bowman had almost no other option, which underscores the point that things are going downhill. I hate to be negative, but when you trade an up and coming 21 year old whom the organization was heavily invested in for years just to dump a very bad contract it doesn’t bode well for the future. And last year they lost in the first round so its not like they almost won the cup. Again I really hate to be negative, but when you give up that kind of talent for relatively little it tells me things are not looking up. I have been following TT’s career since he was drafted and this trade has generated a lot of pessimism in me. Sorry to be this way, but its how I feel. Were there any other options here?

  20. Tab, sometimes you come across as extremely arrogant.

    Are you saying that no amount of money is too much for Kane, Toews and Seabrook? Obviously, there is a limit. Some feel 10.5 for Toews and Kane is too much. Most feel 7 for Seabrook is too much. That opinion isn’t hilarious or wrong.

    If the Hawks don’t win another cup while they are in their prime most will look back and say it was too much.

    Do you know for sure that they would have walked at 9.25? I am hoping Toews bounces back next year and Kane can repeat. Fingers crossed. Still, thinking SB gave them too much based on the cap is a reasonable point of view.

  21. Truck wasn’t up and coming anything in Chicago. Very soft very one dimensional player that did not fit, period. His loss will hardly be felt. Let him go score 50 points and have a wretched plus minus in Carolina. He will never be part of a playoff caliber team’s core in this league.

    Schmaltz will likely need and benefit from several months in the AHL.

    Shaw is definitely gone. Sadly. But there is no way to make him fit money wise.

    We have one more season and that is it of Panarin. Hence why I would actively be trading him now in support of rebuilding on the fly and hopefully getting back to true Cup competiveness in a couple seasons. Keeping Panarin for this season when Cup competiveness is not a reality seems short-sighted. As tough as that pill is to swallow.

  22. Pete. TT has not developed into a star. Who knows if he ever will. He was the logical choice. Getting a 2nd and 3rd under the circumstances was the best Stan could do. In my opinion the Hawks were one game away from winning the Cup. They should have won game 7 and Keith should have appealed his suspension and thus been available for Game 1. They were incorporating a bunch of new players they acquired at the deadline and time together would only have benefited them.

    BLS. Tab is not arrogant, you’re just not very smart. Both Kane and Toews took a discount. They each could have separately received 13M if they really wanted to. They took a deep discount to their true value. I’m sure Winnipeg (Toews) and Buffalo (Kane) would have gladly given them 13M per year. Instead of appreciating their sacrifice you complain about the situation. Get a clue buddy.

    It’s amazing how spoiled and silly some Blackhawk fans have become. Virtually every team in the league would gladly change places with the Blackhawks. They have successfully built a great core and added nice pieces around it. Unfortunately due to the nature of the salary cap some of the nice pieces have to be jettisoned. It’s amazing Stan has been able to accomplish what he has given the nature of the business. Stop COMPLAINING.

  23. THE ANTI RUFUS, did you see a complaint in my post? I don’t. I simply argued that the point of view that the Hawks paid too much is reasonable.

    It is not hilarious and may not even be wrong. It is an opinion that I am sure many knowledgeable hockey fans have.

    Will it turn out to be too much money. Not if they win another cup or if other stars start signing for 12 and 13. Fingers crossed it isn’t too much.

    THE ANTI RUFUS,…what the heck, you’re an idot.

  24. Sounds like the second coming of Christ just got signed,.,.,all that and a bag of chips.

  25. Schmaltz made considerable progress towards become a more complete player last year and from what I saw passed TT as the better long-term prospect. He played center as well after I believe spending much of his freshman year at wing. If he can win a spot in camp then good for him, but likely the best spot for him his Rockford for at least the first 40-60 games. Like to see Ras get re-upped and get a fair shot at 4C; he earned it.

  26. Would like to have had John Hayden sign with us this off-season as well but I understand he`s going back to Yale for his last year. Any reports regarding his status and is there a chance he pulls a Kevin Hayes and does`t sign with us next year before the cut off date.

  27. Not complaining anti-Rufus, just commenting about how the Hawks lost a player I liked and what it likely means going forward. Losing TT the way they did is very indicative that things are going downhill. That isn’t a complaint, its my opinion on where things are heading. And by the way fans get to complain(if they want) whether you like it or not.

  28. I have seen Schmaltz play in person both as a freshman and sophomore, what a leap he took. As a freshman he looked like an 18 year old boy and played mostly on the perimeter, looking to his brother Jordan at the point constantly.

    As a sophomore his zone entries were excellent. Toe drags and confidence establishing the zone before beginning the cycle with his linemates Boesser and Caggulia. He also grew into his body and looked like a man.

    There is a coach here in Omaha, connected to the North Dakota program. I asked him what schmaltz’s upside is. He replied, “if he applies himself, Jason Spezza level”.

    This is a fantastic day for the Hawks.

  29. Wow Eeyor. Just signed 2014 first round pick…”things are looking down, sad really.” My God you must live in Edmonton or St. Louis or something.

  30. Craig and Yoda- Thanks! I have heard that Jason Spezza comp before. Both here and other places. Spezza is a little taller at 6’3. Schmaltz 6’1 in some places. 6’0 at most. Also seen the Bryan Little comp.

  31. As of now we can sqweeze this in with 2 fwds at .600

    14/19/88
    72/15/65 (9 for 2nd 40games, 65 goes to 4th)
    20/16/81
    11/27/fa
    12

    2/7
    4/57
    6/52
    43

    50
    33

    Salary Cap (74m)(escalator is a go)
    16- 66.959.295m (capfriendly)
    4- 5.817.500m (6- .700m)(20- .925m)(27- .692m)(65- 3.5m)
    2- 1.2m (12/fa- .600m)(fa- .600m)

    Ernie does this look right.

  32. Schmaltz is around 5’10” tops. And he is far away from being NHL ready. He will need a year in AHL.

    Shaw is a goner. No way he can fit money wise.

    Trade Panarin now? Hadn’t thought about that but might be the smart strategy.

  33. Schmaltz will start in Rockf and will be working hard with a few Rookies like Hartman and Motte to find a place on thenHawks Squad ….Pokka, Gust, Svedb, and Kempny .will be the dman to watch ..
    IQ will decide ….my feeling is Motte will be on the Hawks team before Schmaltz and Hartman.

  34. Pete- I can sympathize with your position .. TT was a big part of the future .. He performed admirably in our Cup win over Tampa Bay. It’s quite alarming to see him sent off in order to shed Bickell. Who knows his future but he certainly has a potentially huge upside .. Now that part is gone for us. Nothing unreasonable whatsoever in your statements.

  35. Anti Rufus… I am pretty sure Caggiula signed with Oilers…
    He would have been a great sign… guy can fly… finish and hit for a small guy.

    Ebony Raptor- Schmaltz is bigger than TT… I actually think Schmaltz is “Niftier” with puck , his offensive reads are actually better than TT’s, and better stick handling too… But will agree that TT- reads the game better on D side and is more responsible… Schmatlz isn’t big/physical… but has better understanding of how to protect the puck… my only concern- is he is prone to getting “lit up” because he likes to stick handle a little bit too much…

    I agree with others… Schmaltz has more upside than TT… and Motte probably more ready … cuz can play multiple roles/lines…

    Schmaltz made BIG improvements to his complete game in last year… But still wish Hawks would have picked Fabbri (love that kid) over Schmaltz… Ironically- the Hawks traded up that year (I believe) to steal Schmaltz from Blues… and Blues got “stuck ” with Fabbri… who plays like a smaller version of Marchand!!!

    Schmaltz- Has some serious O skills though… but not as fast or intense as Fabbri… I guess time will tell- who is the better Pro.

  36. Too much jetfuel in the hanger for the kids Earl? Every outlet reports Schmaltz being 6’0 -6’1 and between 177and 181lbs

    Morrison, first Schmaltz needs a new number. Luke Johnson (hit of 717.5, not 692)is more of a stretch than Schmaltz to make the roster. 3.5 is a little rich for my taste on Shaw. The number is probably right however as I don’t think a team sheets him for more than the 3.755 number and giving up a 1 and 3. If it is, I’m taking the picks.

    Onto the numbers. Cap friendly has an armchair GM tool. I ran the numbers myself, and used their tool. My numbers varied very slightly from theirs. 2.13205 vs 2.123539 in cap space with your lineup minus Fleischmann and the prospective FA signing. That was using 74 as the cap. The official cap number hasn’t been released yet. I’ve seen things that they’ve increased it by 3.57m. But I’ve also read revenue dropped and the cap could be 72.8. If revenue was stagnant and didn’t drop that would put the cap at 74.97. So it’s still a waiting game.

  37. I think the sample size on Fabbri is still too small. Trending up, but too small. .51ppg reg season .75 ppg post season.

    I like Hayden. He wants to finish at Yale. I believe he was named captain this spring. No idea on signability. But it won’t be this summer.

  38. Exciting signing. Does he play center or wing? I read center on ESPN, but someone noted above he plays wing. Can he play Wing on the top line next to Toews? If a center, I wonder how he is at the dot…line 2 center?

    Someone needs to tell Q to put the kids out there and let them play. And, to stop screwing with their confidence. It is all in the presentation. You can’t play them like yo-yo’s during the regular season then expect to throw them out there in the playoffs and expect performance.

    Is there any chance that McNeil can make the team as the number two center to play between Kane & Panarin? Those two need a banger and net front presence. Could those two make McNeil look good? Just throwing this out there. A week or so ago there was talk of moving AA. McNeil has been left behind, but is he someone that we can salvage. He is definitely the right price and Dent has said positive things about him.

    Someone mentions moose as 4th line center. I liked what I saw last year, but he just does not have the speed that I’d like to see making the line up.

  39. Booman. He’s a wing. He was mid 40’s in faceoff percentage..In college. While he may have been drafted as a c and played it in college he projects as a RW. Copy and paste my post from a previous article on Lundberg as it seems to be relevant.
    Toews -58.6% total FO’s-1573
    Desjardins 49.4%-87
    Kruger 49.2%-474
    Rasmussen 46.9% 307
    Shaw 46.5% 314
    Kero 44.7% 123
    Anisimov 44.2% 1148
    Danault 44.2% 369
    Hinostroza 40.6% 32
    Teravainen 40.5% 309
    Kane 21.6% 51

    Schmaltz was 46.5 %
    Luke Johnson was 54.9.
    Motte was 40.9

    Rasmussen IMO is too slow and just plain not good enough. McNeil is also listed as a right wing.

  40. I had heard or read recently conflicting reports of Shaw. 1st that Bowman anxious to sign him right now for almost that exactly Bickell price. 2nd that Shaws agent wants to test the market at the draft.

  41. Apologies Morisson. You meant Lundberg not Johnson as 4c. I can see Lundberg playing wing. Lundberg only took 104 faceoffs winning them at a 47.1% clip In Sweden. Jimmie Ericsson played 7 fewer games and took 97 faceoffs. Lundberg was 5th on his team in total faceoffs taken.

  42. Shaw is RFA testing the market means declining a tender and signing an offer sheet. His agent can not talk to other teams at the draft as that would be tampering. Since he’s RFA he can’t even talk until after july 1

  43. Not sure who is more negative-Rufus (various names of course) or the Anti-Rufus?
    Schmaltz looks good, does he have more upside than TT?–time will tell. One thing for sure is that you only have so many top 6 spots and the smaller framed, skilled players can only take about 3 of those, so it starts to get crowded.
    If the Hawks lose Panarin in the next two years, then trading 86 becomes a bad, panic move.
    I love Seabrook but this is another deal we’ll be talking about a lot in a couple of years. He’s 31, with a body and head going on 35.

  44. Ernie… my point is- Fabbri- played/contributed last year (if Hawks had him instead of Blues)… Hawks win that series (and maybe Cup)…

    and Yes- I can still see Schmaltz being “better” pro (me Hopes)… But Fabbri brings compete/skating that don’t go away… In other words- Schmaltz needs to score points to be “effective”… Fabbri, doesn’t (yet he is scoring points- at just the right time)…

    Have watched Schmaltz several times… elite vision/passer… especially on Odd-man rushes…

    He doesn’t win FO’s… BUT- if he is paired with Fast/quick guys… he will make them look good/score in transition.

  45. My best shot at a first 40 game lineup of a cap restricted lineup. Of course, if the rookies aren’t gaining confidence adjust accordingly.

    Panarin Anisimov Kane – 18 min
    Panic Toews Hossa -18 min
    Shaw Kruger Weise – 14 min
    Motte Hinostroza Schmaltz – 10 min

    Keith Seabrook – 25 min
    Kempny Hjalmarsson – 20 min
    TVR Pokka – 15 min

  46. Thanks BLS . All opinions should be welcome , not disparaged. If we all were of the same mind , this blog would be no fun .

  47. Lol…I agree. It would be nice to be able to put together a kid line. I guess those days are long gone.

  48. BLS- I doubt if that line ever “wins” the trust of Q…

    But- I actually think that line could work… and would be a “Hair on fire” line or “Mosquito line”… small/quick/ with vision… a version of the “Triplettes line”…
    but would need to prove they can get it out of their own zone!!!

  49. Lots of prospects have been ruined by being brought up to early. A big concern for guys like Motte and Schmaltz. 25 minutes a game in the minors is probably much better for them.

    I wish Q had given Weise more ice time. It would have been nice to see what he could do with Shaw. I’m sure he wants to be far away from Q next year.

  50. Ernie, thanks for checking. I meant to put 8 for Schmaltz and 27 was Lundbergs caphit (funny they have same number). Just doing a sample for the salary cap puzzle and keeping it simple. Wanted to see for myself that we have the cap space to keep 65.

    We can fit Shawzer in for sure at 3.5/1yr (I would like around 2.75-3m better as well), as long as cap is good. Went 3.5 because of the stuff you were talking about before. Where are you/capfriendly getting that extra 1.0m from, are you counting 47 1.125m retained. If we do have 2.1m with 20 on 23man, we are in good shape (much much better then people are acting like).

    The thing people need to remember is comparing roster to where it was after training camp that yr and the first 40-60 games, not the guys we traded for at the deadline. Depending on whos on the roster after training camp in the fall, we could have a better (or same overall) roster then we did then. D could be better as well.

  51. Morrison, your numbers work for now… but- what about next year when 72 wants/deserves ??? $6M-$8M????

    SB- might get ahead of curve- and still move one of following…

    Crow- if deal/Pick will bring back the “Guy” they want…
    Shaw
    ???

    imo-
    If SB waits til next year… could be another Dallas type “Fire sale” deal… which didn’t turn out so well…

  52. If the Hawks scout as good as they have recently you would have to assume they feel like Schmaltz (when he is ready) is a top 6 player. They may have felt like TT was not able to become a consistent top 6 guy under Q.

    That’s my biggest take away. Top 6 on a Stanely Cup contender here or top 6 on a average thing is 2 separate animals. Its how I have always felt about Leddy. Is Leddy good enough to play top minutes for Q? I’m still not sure that’s the case as good as he was.

  53. Sure. I look at Bread Mans caphit being 3.6m for this yr and he signs for 6.3m (like 19/88) or around that, thats 3m raise. We would have to fugure a way to cover the 2.8m in player bonus again. Although 47s 1.125m wont be there and 88 might not be on 2nd line entire 82games. (I see Sharpys 6m caphit coming to full circle when 47s retained is and The Bread is around 6.5m).

    We are this close to keeping the entire core and having every good young player on elc/low hits to get through the bottle neck and then we pay raises/keep the younger good players in the coming yrs as cap goes up a few each yr.

    Ernies right with the 3rd and 1st rd picks theory. I cannot see a team doing that, though I would be happy to get that and see Laddy sign for 4m/1yr as an alternative. Wouldn’t mind trading 43 and signing Soupy for .600-.800m.

  54. So the Oilers are sniffing around for some defense. If im Stan Im on the phone with Peter Chiarelli and I’m sending Seabrook there ASAP! Of course that would NEVER happen because SB has never been proactive with aging core (see Sharp) and because Seabs have a limited No trade clause.

    I’d be looking at Picks, or some combination of Hall, Eberle or Oscar Klefbom

  55. Everybody talks about the salary cap as if thats the problem. The owners wanted the salary cap, especially the wirtz family ala Bill , ever heard Rocky bitch about the cap , nope

  56. Come on Morrison, of course I counted Scuderi’s retained salary, and also include the 100k on Rundblad. I did that on my phone

    .875-10.5-10.5= 21.875
    .8125-4.55-3.5= 8.8625
    .925-3.083-5.275=9.2833
    .800-.6925-?= 1.4925

    5.538461-6.875= 12.409861
    4.1-.825= 4.925
    .7-.6675= 1.3675
    .75= .75

    6.0
    .5875

    .1
    1.125
    3.07
    total= 71.848161

    2.151839 in space with a 74 million ceiling

  57. (FTR said,) “Schmaltz will likely need and benefit from several months in the AHL.” — Agree.

    “Shaw is definitely gone. Sadly. But there is no way to make him fit money wise.” — Agree, unless Stan B. moves Kruger (his salary) for a pick…and then, affordability depends on Shaw’s perceived “market value”.

    “We have one more season and that is it of Panarin…why I would actively be trading him now in support of rebuilding on the fly” — BULLSHIT. I would hope after dealing with the Saad situation, and confirming Panarin’s exceptional skill (and “game”), Stan B. will do whatever is necessary to sign him long-term. Picks are a gamble and what sort of young talent should Panarin bring in return? Eichel? McDavid?

  58. Wall- What to do about Panarin? I hope Vegas takes him in the expansion draft. 5.275 gone, no recapture. I have read nothing about the floor being removed, other than here. You could make an agreement with Vegas that you’d leave x unprotected if they take Hossa. His salary will be 1 million and his hit would remain the same. They could then agree to mutually terminate the deal absoliving them of any financial implications, other than the hit for the remainder of the contract.

  59. (Pete) “the Hawks lost a player I liked and what it likely means going forward. Losing TT the way they did is very indicative that things are going downhill…my opinion on where things are heading.” — I disagree. I also like Teravainen, but rather than see this single transaction as concrete evidence of decline, I believe it could be considered just “the cost of doing business”. Stan B. gave up a pretty good player, but he moved a significant piece of “money for nothing”, which paid for the bonuses (overages) and gained a little cap space – it was necessary. He also got a couple of picks – since they’ve traded picks for rental players to enhance their Cup runs, this was also probably necessary.

  60. (Ernie) “what do you guys actually think Shaw would fetch on the open market” — I have NO idea. He’s only 25, has some skill (especially net front), is a “heart and soul”/”team” player, who shows up almost every game = a fairly unique package? If he were signed (offer sheet) to a Bickell-like contract the Hawks would receive first and third round picks, I believe? Maybe Stan B. would target some other specific return if he deals him (and can control destination)?

    Curious, what do you believe Shaw is worth?

  61. Shaw is valuable but replaceable-Panarin isn’t. Given what Pittsburgh did this year with Letang and ?????. if the Hawks could trade Seabrook (and he would go) that would help. Who would eat up his minutes I don’t know but I feel his play will really start to decline and he will be exposed in this quick NHL. And he’s one more head hit away from perhaps being done–He’s been both skilled and a warrior so I wish he was in a more $/year friendly contract.
    The type of players that Edmonton need would be a Shaw or a Seabrook. And they will add another skilled forward (Tkachuk?) so there will be an embarrassment of riches.

  62. That’s tough because of the associated draft pick compensation. The market being relatively depressed with so many teams needing space. If compensation wasnt involved I’d say 4 all day long. The magic number via offer sheet is 3.755. So while his production may be worth the dollars, I don’t think you can pass up a first and a third having the salary cap constraints they have. If I had to guess I’d say someone signs him for just less than the 1 and 3 compensation.

  63. No chance the Hawks will be able to sign Panarin to a new contract after 2016-17. So why the hell not consider trading him now.

  64. If Panarin is signed to a long-term extension it doesn’t start until 2017-18, so get it done and make it work when the time comes. His skill and chemistry with Kane should mandate: “Make it work!” – there are other assets (salaries) that can be moved.
    That’s my answer to, “why the hell not consider trading him now”.

  65. How the hell does trading Panarin help us? Wow. I just can’t wrap my head around that. It is so insane. What’s the point in trading Teuvo then? Because that was the point in dealing him…to afford Panarin next year.

  66. New Coyotes GM (just turned 27 a week or so ago) making some interesting moves. Chose to take a 2nd rd pick rather than sign a former first rounder in Connor Bleackley. Bleackley was part of the Boedker deal. Just traded former Blues 2nd rd pick Maxim Letunov and a 6th to the Sharks for a ’16 4th and a ’17 3rd.

    Letunov just turned 20 and led UCONN in scoring last year and was over a ppg player

  67. Ernie, I trust you, ER and myself when it comes to the numbers. I was wondering where it came from. I am happy that its 2.1m for two players with that 20 caphits.

  68. Just giving you a hard time Morrison. I took the easy way and used capfriendly’s tool. When I saw it was off from your numbers I did it manually as I wasn’t sure if they accounted for everything. Unfortunately the cap may not be 74 so that puts a damper on things. For the 16 players you mentioned I’m getting 61.73. Still need to add Motte, Kempny, Shaw, Lundberg, the overage, buried, and retained. That total is 10.1125.

    71.8425 total salary hit Looks like my numbers vary slightly. I think it depends on how lazy I get going further away from the decimal. But around 2.15 has been pretty consistent.

  69. “No chance the Hawks will be able to sign Panarin to a new contract after 2016-17” – thank God i don’t live in the same world you do…

  70. On Monday afternoon, Nashville announced they have acquired Minnesota’s third-round selection, 76th overall, in the 2016 NHL Draft, from the Buffalo Sabres in exchange for forward Jimmy Vesey.

  71. “The Buffalo Sabres will get first crack at signing pending unrestricted free agent Jimmy Vesey.

    The team announced they’ve acquired the rights to Vesey from the Nashville Predators in exchange for the 76 overall pick in this year’s draft.” — TSN

  72. Rufus, I’ve laid out just one path the Hawks can sign Panarin.

    I have no clue why you’ve been worrying about Panarin in 17/18 since 2015. I don’t quite get the move by the Sabres. The kids waited 4 years to sign. Why not wait another month, get catered by every team in the league then sign.

  73. “Frederik Andersen to the leafs. 30th overall pick in 16 and 2017 2nd.” — oh well… there goes that Crawford to Toronto bs suggested at that other blog.

  74. FTR: the guy who has no idea what the cap will be in 2017 yet claims to know that the Hawks won’t be able to sign Panarin under that (unknown) cap number.

  75. you’ll note that not many legitimate league-wide “insiders” with “real sources” are running around Crawford’s name on the LONG list of available goaltenders. Fleury, Elliott, Howard… now probably Reimer…. formerly Andersen… all getting regularly linked to trade rumors by legit media guys.

  76. Yandle is now in the Florida fold and they will try to sign him prior to July 1. Looks to be a long term deal. Doesn’t mean that Campbell will come to Chicago, but it might mean that Florida doesn’t resign him.
    With all of the talk about whether Shaw can be afforded or not, and who will be on the four lines, does anybody think the Blackhawks would make an effort to try and sign any D-man free agent out there (i.e. Lovejoy etc.)? It kind of seems like that door is closing if not already closed.

  77. “not many legitimate league-wide “insiders” with “real sources” are running around Crawford’s name on the LONG list of available goaltenders.” I thought Crawford has a no movement clause…? And the Hawks don’t have another #1 goaltender at this time.

    (Again, I know what hockey buzz is…I guess it’s like National Enquirer or other farcical entertainment?)

    In case anybody forget, Yandle is a DICK.

  78. Just making sure Dickie. I was contemplating posting on the site to call out the bs, but alas you need to pay to comment. Makes ya wonder how he’s able to find a source for daily rumors.

    I once looked him up. He lives in the Columbus, Ohio area and has an LLC that goes back to a residential address, that’s in his wife’s name. Look at his Twitter, first thing he says of himself “ad guy”. He markets oncology medication as a day job and moonlights as a hockey blogger. It’s funny, this dude has more sources in Columbus than Chris Kuc,Chris Hine,Scott Powers and any other legitimate writer/blogger based in Chicago combined.

  79. Ernie – I’ve never commented on hockey buzz (“need to pay to comment” – I had no idea). I don’t know anything about Jaeckel – I find all the source (“reliable” and not so much) stuff a little humorous. I don’t have ANY sources – I read and enjoy discussion here (occasionally check TSN, Hockey News, etc.) and watch the games.

  80. Newsflash—Carolina trades Teuvo and Bickle to Chicago for Panarin because Hawks need cap space–June 20 2017 !!!!!

  81. Sorry to go off on a tangent there Dickie. Just drives me nuts when believe actually believe blowhards. I see people that say they’ve read things that just sound so outlandish. You try to fact check and then you see it’s from hockey buzz. It’s a waste of time. Their “source” is whatever sounds not quite so crazy that people see through it. Yet outlandish enough to get people talking. They rip the gullible off and try to pawn other people’s work and sources off as “you heard it here first”. NBC used to be damn good when it was PHT. Now whenever I read something credible I come here and Tab already has an article up. We can read all we want and comment for free. It’s fantastic!

  82. Ernie – I’ll take a shot at your question re: Shaw’s value. I can’t see anyone paying over $4m nor going over 3 years. It is clear to me that gm’s are tightening up significantly as the lack of cap raises is looking to be the norm. I see his number at $3.55m for 3 years at which time he is a UFA. My gut says there is a small home-town discount to stay a Hawk. How do you see it?

  83. There is a better chance that Bowman re-signs Morin than Panarin not staying w/ the Hawks long-term. Mr. Rufus is at it again…

  84. TT was a nice player, but had a negative plus minus from the 3rd line whereas all the best Hawk forwards had plus ratings. Also he was a pass first player and had one of the lowest shot percentages of the forwards. Incidentally Panic had a 50% better shot percentage than TT. Obviously TT did not have the body for checking and aggressive play and who know when that will happen if ever. An interesting note TT has been removed from the 2015-16 list of players for the Blackhawks on NHL.com. http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/stats.htm. Wasn’t he part of the team even though he got traded?
    If this trade allows the Hawks to sign Panerin long term that is absolutely huge. Now they can possibly add to their core player list. Anyone who knocks SB for this trade has no understanding of the implications of what winning does in the NHL. It is supposed so sink a team as the cap and draft are supposed to create parity. The fact that he was able to pull a Calder Trophy winner out of nowhere last year was amazing. I really like Schmaltz. It will be interesting to see what he can do. Re Shaw. He is the heart of the Hawks and will be missed if he leaves, but he is not the fastest nor a great shot. If they can’t afford him the Hawks will still be a very decent team.

  85. (Iceman) “There is a better chance that Bowman re-signs Morin than Panarin not staying w/ the Hawks long-term. Mr. Rufus is at it again…” — “Oh, indeed.” is what I tend to believe. I mean do what it takes…move Shaw AND Kruger (and worry about faceoffs later. Or move Seabrook (if necessary…and the last half of that contract could make this the smart move?) and worry about filling that hole – Stan B. and Q have said the problem wasn’t the defense (it was lack of balanced scoring). I believe the problem included *team* defense (- what they did extremely well in 2015), and that’s not just on Svedberg, TvR, Gustafsson, Rozsival, or an overworked/tired Keith, Hjalmarsson, and Seabrook. (While on the subject, I really don’t understand why so many here have no confidence in van Rismsdyk. I think he was good for a first year player…who often paired with Rozsival. OK, obviously not on par with Oduya, but perhaps right there with Oduya’s rookie season?)

  86. MS- I think that sounds about right. Especially with compensation being tied to him. If he’s a UFA he probably gets 4 per.

  87. Four Feathers, somehow I believe that would be a three way deal and we’d also get Morin back.

  88. So kindly explain to the audience HOW the Hawks fit Panarin into the salary schema after next season when he is likely to command $7-8 M per season. I have yet to see sane logical explanation for HOW the Hawks can possibly fit Panarin after next season.

  89. How do the Hawks fit Panarin?

    a) there will be an expansion draft, at which a player like Kruger will be tempting for Vegas to take.
    b) the cap is going to go up.
    c) the Hawks have young players signed into 17-18 who will be affordable roster fillers (Motte + Schmaltz + Hartman + Hinostroza = roughly $3.5M)
    d) Bowman has 12 months to figure out a way to keep him.

    I have yet to see a sane logical comment from FTR fwiw

  90. Also a play on the expansion. Teams can ask players to waive a NMC. Hawks can ask Hossa to waive his. Salary of 1 million, Cap hit of 5.275. A team that just paid 500 million to become a member may see a contract like Hossa’s and see value. Especially if the Hawks could make a backdoor agreement where they leave a player unprotected. Or make a lopsided trade down the road. Hossa would help them get to the floor. I have not seen anything that says the floor will be removed, I could see Hossa being Vegas’ captain for a few years. And I could also see Vegas terminating the contract, taking the cap hit and not having to pay him.

  91. This is the same sort of pretzel logic and outright denial that we saw from Tab on Teuvo. And also Saad. Math isn’t a strong suit. The only way to have any shot at making the new Panarin money fit is to dump a key member of the existing core. Meaning in all likelihood Seabrook or Crawford.

    In my estimation, the 2016-17 Hawks enter a new era and are, in truth, not serious Cup contenders. Therefore maintaining Panarin for one more season seems like a short-sighted and a bit silly luxury. I say explore trading him right now as way to maximize the return of high quality young talent that can feed this new era of Hawks hockey. And help facilitate good cap management and a return to true Cup competitiveness in a couple seasons.

  92. because people (more than Ernie) keep bringing up Hossa & the expansion draft:

    Hossa leaving means the Blackhawks no longer control his career ending, which means they run the risk of a catastrophic cap penalty.

    I see VERY little chance they let him go and lose control of that scenario.

  93. I’ll let all of that continue to be your “estimation” Mr. FTR. But before claiming math isn’t a strong suit, perhaps you should try using a calculator like there is provided at CapFriendly to see how far off base you are. I’m not waving a magic wand or making stuff up. The Hawks (including the 4 prospects I listed) have approx $63M on the books for 17-18 for 9 forwards, 5 defensemen and 1 goaltender. If the cap is $74M (which it might be for 16-17), that gives them $11-12M (before losing a player like Kruger via expansion draft) to fill a bottom line, add a sixth defenseman and a backup goaltender. Averaging $1.5-2M per for your 4th line and backup goaltender isn’t an outrageous ask.

  94. Tab, we know there’s a recapture if Hossa is traded. If he’s taken in the expansion draft would there still be a recapture? That is the only reason I bring up expansion with Hossa. He’s not getting traded. If the recapture still applies then he’s not going anywhere.

    Hawks were trying to convince John Hayden to sign but he wanted to finish school. He is an ambassador for a foundation that lists Anthony Louis, Tyler Motte, Thatcher Demko, and Michael McCarron as founding members. He had academic honors in high school. He clearly values education, so it’ll be interesting to see if they can get him signed after school.

  95. Don’t know. Was hoping somebody else knew. I do know everyone has an opinion and an asshole. Only a firefly has an estimation.

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