Sportsnet’s Nick Kypreos is reporting that Blackhawks forward Patrick Sharp may be available heading into this week’s NHL Draft.
wouldn’t be the end of the world.
now is probably a good time to note the difference between “shopping” and “listening.” a GM might be willing to answer the phone, but isn’t necessarily making outbound calls.
it’s also a good time to point out that Bowman hasn’t moved anything significant inside the Western Conference as a GM. all of the 2010 deals were made to move assets into the Eastern Conference, and the most significant trade inside the WC to date was Frolik to Winnipeg.
Tab, I think you and I are on the same page here…if its a top Centre for Sharp, then by all means, but you don’t simply trade away Sharp’s incredible consistency in production for “might be’s”…and as for Sharp’s physical age, it means little…he’s escaped major injuries, especially to his lower body, and he’s in incredible shape…Sharp easily has 4 more good seasons in him at least.
Sharp had the best scoring year of his career last season. “Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late”. And the reason that Sharp is in the trade discussion is because it’s almost a certainty that salary will need to be shed before the 2015/16 season and Sharp’s $5.9M cap hit is a big step toward solving the cap issues after Toews, Kane and Saad get re-signed.
I hope someday the truth will come out about why Sharp doesn’t play 2C. It’s just very odd that the Hawks would trade Sharp for the purpose of acquiring a 2C. ODD!
Excellent point about SB and the WC. Also great comparison between Sharp and Kesler. I got knocked for saying I would take the deal straight up (If Sharpie would accept a trade to VAN) My reasons
Kesler commitment is only for 2 years at $5.0mm and will be 31 when his contract expires.
Sharp’s Cap hit is $5.9mm for 3 more years and will be 35 his last year
The Hawks need a legit 2C (????)
Sharpie’s value could go down more quickly than Kesler’s because of age
Hawks have a fair crop of top 4 wingers
On the other hand, Hawks don’t need any locker room drama and Kesler’s health is an issue. But Sharp has had injuries too.
Bottom line: Only straight up. This deal could benefit both teams
Tab, a couple of bits of info, for what its worth, from my friends (the 2 brothers in TOR who are player agents) on the Hayes situation…Mark told me last night that the Hawks have told the Hayes camp that if he doesn’t sign with the Hawks before Friday, they will try to trade his signing rights on draft day…and apparently the Blues have told Ryan Miller that he won’t be re signed…so the Blues swung for the fences and missed…
ER, I agree…I didn’t mention it because it has been 3 years since Q used Sharp there (to great success).
Love Patrick Sharp…but Kessler (Talented and Physical) would be a really good fit at 2C, possibly, or Joe Thorton (Big, Strong and Physical) too if SJ is willing to ship to the Blackhawks. Both Players want to come to Chicago at their own requests of very short-list of Teams and they both have what the Blackhawks need right now so why not pull the Trigger on this Deal ASAP! Or if the stakes aren’t too high, why not also look at Stasny (Lotsa Young Talent) from Colorado?
Love Sharp, but, not fitting in too well within the Core of the Blackhawks. He will be a Star on another Team but because of all of the Talent on the Blackhawks he doesn’t Shine as Bright as He would on any other Team.
Better to listen to deal this year. Price could be higher than next year. Trade can help avoid of next year cap issues and/or make a room for a second center.
Teams like Toronto, Winipeg or maybe even Montreal don´t have player who puts together experience, leadership and damn good PR face.
Btw. to be honest I still don´t understad why Crawford have same money as Sharp or Seabrook, if he got about 4,5 the cap will be still OK.
Some good comments… Tab with “the difference between shopping and listenting…”, Brad with gambling on “maybe’s”, and ER with “Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late”.
I agree with all these points. The only people SB will not “listen to a trade about” are 19, 88, 50, 20, 2. In my opinion, he listens to the call for everyone else. But, hes probably only shopping K. Hayes rights (if not signed). There is a big difference. To brads point… if sharp moves, its because we get a 2C, BUT… to me the 2 dont have to be linked. If we get Kesler for a package… sharp can go in a separate deal that betters the team. 29 can play 1LW, and 20 can play 2LW if we get a true 2C. If we dont have a true 2C, 29 can play the 2rd line with Sharp on the first.
And lastly… Stand should be mindful to not turn down the right deal, cuz one year has much higher odds of decreasing a 30 year olds value than increasing it….
Also for those who want Kesler, it has now been confirmed by multiple sources that ANA is the other player for him, not PIT which benefits the Hawks greatly…any GM trading a player would take less to ship a star out of the conference if they could. But with ANA and VAN competing for the SAME DIVISION, it is even more “intense” than with the Hawks who are in the conference. Last night on a VAN sports show, team President, Trevor Linden said that they trying to accommodate Kesler’s wish to be traded, but ONLY if it was a clear victory for the Canucks…interpret what you want from that.
re: “salary dump” – with your leading scorer after a Game 7 OT loss in the Conf. Final? No
stakes are undoubtedly too high for Stastny. Significantly more $ & years than Kesler, Thornton or Spezza
re: Brad’s comments about Hayes – are these the same sources that told you Hayes wanted a longer term deal & that was the hold-up in negotiations? If so, take their number(s) out of your phone.
If Hayes is traded, he’ll be a sweetener in another deal – NOT dealt alone. The Hawks stand to receive a 2nd round pick in the ’15 Draft as compensation if Hayes doesn’t sign, and it’s hard to fathom a team giving up that kind of value for the negotiating rights to a prospect coming off one good college season (especially in an allegedly deep 2015 Class). The fact that his rights could be in play is intriguing, but I’m not sure what they would be worth if he has a specific destination in mind.
They need cap space for any of those centers.
Sharp dumped = cap space for center. Not a lot of other ways that can work.
Tim, I understand what you are saying, BUT the Hawks must be careful NOT to move too many pieces, and here’s why…this nucleus (including Sharp) KNOW HOW to win a SC…they should have gone back to back if not for Q. Bringing in NEW players is always a risk if they haven’t won anything. Not everyone is born to be a champion…I don’t mind Kesler, because he would have been the Conn Smythe winner had the Nuckleheads won in 2011.
From ESPN/TSN’s Pierre LeBrun on Tuesday afternoon
“The Anaheim Ducks and Chicago Blackhawks seemingly have broken from the pack and are the front-runners for Ryan Kesler, multiple sources have told ESPN.com.
Kesler’s preference to land in either of those two cities stems in part from his desire to win a Stanley Cup; he also holds a no-trade clause, giving him the power to dictate to some degree his destination….
The one thing Kesler can’t dictate, however, is forcing the Vancouver Canucks to trade him. Unless and until either Anaheim or Chicago presents a package that the Canucks believe is worthy, they won’t move him, one source said. These things can change with one single conversation, but as of Tuesday afternoon, no trade for Kesler was imminent.”
I just don’t get the whole Hayes thing. His brother, Morin, Pirri…..whatever. If a 22 year old kid with, like Tab said, one good college season, is barking about the Blackhawks, F’m.
The Hawks have a winning organization, excellent management and ownership, big market swagger and on and on. Yes you have to be good to excellent to break on to the roster and yes you have to wait your turn. If a player is gonna whine about it, trade his rights. Hayes could just say, I want to make an NHL salary now so please trade me instead of grumbling about Morin and his brother.
Mike 2+2 right…young players feel that they won’t get a legit chance in CHI with Q as coach and the talent base already there…outside of Q, the rest of the world looking in has a hard time understanding giving Bollig a 3 year deal at over a million per season when there is a back log of top picks salivating for playing time. I understand Hayes sentiment very well. As Tab mentioned before, this is why in 2010 Bowman drafted a bunch of college kids…to delay prospect arrival in CHI. The Free-Morin tweet by Hayes was very revealing. As to the why Mike, its the new generation…you and I would have responded differently to this situation.
They better be well compensated if they trade Sharp. Kesler for Sharp it’s not equitable and I love Kesler.
78 points need to be replaced. Only a dozen or so wingers can fill his role. TT, Morin and Hayes can’t do it. Don’t count on 20 goals from Shaw every season.
I only understand moving him due to tight cap after next season. But it seems to me Seabrook would be a better move out after next season to free up space bc they have young depth on the defense.
Hawks are deep on wingers but not top 4 wingers. I guess I’m just nervous. A top 4 winger isn’t easy to find. That’s just me. Whatever.
I think the Hawks have about a 1 year or 2 productive years left with Sharp. His SCP was extremely disappointing. He was playing minutes on the 3rd line which isnt where he belongs at all. I would be all for trading sharp any forward that would improve the Hawks top 6, is under 30 and doesn’t command a ton of salary. Evander Kane is a guy that I wish the Hawks would aggressively target.
I’ve made my opinion on Sharp abundantly known. I think he IS on the trading block and I AM supportive of trading him. This isnt’ an attack on Sharp or his skill set and resume. But at age 33 and counting, his best days are now behind him and with the back drop of the salary cap good teams that don’t live in denial on veteran core players will be the teams that have the best chance to sustain success.
I also won’t lie…Sharp significantly turned me off in 2013-14. I think the wheels for this team came off coincidential to the Olympic break, and more importantly when this entire team hopped on the wagon of doing everything to support Sharpie’s campaign to be put on the Canadian team. I did not see Sharp reciprocate. I just didn’t. I found Sharp to be selfish in this regard. Highly so, to the detriment of the team. The Blackhawks won that gold medal that hangs on his neck more than Sharp himself. Make no mistake about that.
If moving Sharp can facilitate the addition of a primetime veteran Center than I am doubly for his departure. Sell high. Sell at the zenith of his remaining NHL value.
Bernard – a top-2 d-man is even harder to find than a top-4 winger. Besides, the Hawks already have four top-4 wingers in 88, 81, 20 & 29, and even if you think Bickell is better suited for the 3rd line, a serviceable top-4 winger is easier to acquire than a top pairing d-man.
Been watching/reading the past few weeks and understand both side of the Sharp/Kesler issue. For my money, I’d move Sharp to acquire either Spezza or Kesler and here’s why:
1. Obviously Sharp is a potent offensive talent and has continued to put up good reg season numbers each of the past 2 years (’12-’13: 20pts/+8; ’13-’14: 78pts/+13). BUT- his post-season numbers show a negative trend particularly when playing the physical teams we’ve faced the past 2-years in the finals. For example, in the last 2 finals:
* ’12-’13 vs Boston: 6ga, 2pts, -3
* “13-’14 vs LA: 7 ga, 4pts, -5
2. My view? His +/- shows his productivity matches the eye test and has suffered in the finals each of the past 2 years despite time on the PP. Frankly, I don’t see him responding to physical teams the way either Kesler or Spezza can.
3. I believe we absolutely need a big, tough to play against 2C for the reasons many here have debated the past few weeks. In fact, I was a lonely voice here a couple years ago expressing my heartfelt dismay the Hawks did not make a play for Carter when LA grabbed him (many on this blog calling him injury prone, too expensive, a prima donna, etc.) While things have gone well for the Hawks since passing on 77 winning another cup, they have also gone very well for LA with 2 in 3 years. So I guess you’d count me as a strength up the middle guy in that respect.
4. If I can acquire a 2C and trade out the cap space I jump at the oppty to sign the big-2C and pay 20 to move into Sharps role (saving cap space in the process.) Spezza may be the better play in view of the 1-year remaining, but I agree with those that think Kesler would fit the Hawks to a T at this point (of course planning on his staying healthy enough to contribute in the post season.)
Trading Sharp strongly telegraphs two things, as mentioned by others.
1. Bowman is working feverishly to make the “math work” in terms of inking Toews, Kane and Saad to new deals within the next year.
2. Bowman really wants a quality veteran Center, as he should.
Multiple outlets, most recently the Sun Times’ Mark Lazerus, reporting VAN wants Teravainen and/or Saad in any package for Kesler. That is – and should be – a deal breaker.
Here is my pipe dream trade Kesler for Sharp and then package Leddy for Evander Kane. If the Hawks can’t obtain Kesler they can still flip Sharp for another center. I can’t see Sharp having as productive NHL season as he had this season so mine as well move him now while he still has considerable value.
I’ll throw another name into the mix for center Mikael Backlund from Calgary. Maybe you can even get Calgary to toss in a 2nd rounder for K Hayes rights. Backlund’s 25 had his most productive season on a bad team last year. He had over 51 Corsi rating on a BAD team which means he would fit nicely on the Hawks and with their puck possession game.
It would be hard moving Sharp but if Kane is the returning roster piece the Hawks strike it rich! The Peg is actively shopping E. Kane and looking for a young defenseman that has some money left on his contract. If that isnt Leddy I don’t know who is! Evander Kane is 22 years old putting him on a line with Kaner would be insane! Kane is Iggy coming into his prime if you look at Iggys goals going into his 6 season he only has 22 more and 40 more assists.
Trading Sharp is risky but its a move that needs to be done if the Hawks want to replace Sharp with a comparable player moving forward. If the Hawks added E Kane they would need to move Sharp for cap reasons of course. There are very few goal scores as good as Kane on the market so go big or go home!
Seabrook was the #4 defenseman this season. I don’t think he will be a top 4 d man come 2015-2016. Just my thought. Also, I don’t think Bickell is a top 4 winger. And I like Travis.
I understand trading Sharp for value and cap space, but let’s not pretend he will be easily replaced.
TT in a package? Maybe. Saad? No. TT + Saad? What? Crazy.
Teravainen and/or Saad for Kesler,…..absolutely NOT!
(Tab reported:) “VAN wants Teravainen and/or Saad in any package for Kesler. That is – and should be – a deal breaker.” – HEAR, HEAR!!!!
It’s not going to be be Kesler…for a lot of reasons. I’d LOVE to have Kesler, but I can’t see a scenario where a suitable trade can happen. My bet is Kesler winds up in Anaheim somehow.
Thornton? I don’t know. That would certainly be interesting, but I don’t know.
Stastny or O’Reilley? Colorado has really screwed things up with those guys and is going to lose one of them, while still having a lousy defense. But I can’t see either player coming to the Hawks.
And finally, Kevin Hayes can pound sand up his ass. Let him go bye-bye. His priorities are all out of whack and he seems like an asshat. Won’t be missed in Chicago. And I’ll bet the ranch he never plays for a perennial playoff contending team in his career either.
Kesler or no Kesler, I’m not expecting Sharp back next year. I fully expect him to be dealt very soon.
“my pipe dream trade Kesler for Sharp and then package Leddy for Evander Kane” – that pipe has something herbal in that pipe my friend…
Being redundant to other comments here, but……don’t want to see Sharp go just yet. Too much scoring despite the fact that he was “down” in the playoffs. To me, he seemed to skate hard and battle, and got off lots of shots in the playoffs. And Kesler is a guy you could shell out big cash for, or trade up big cash for, and you end up not seeing him on the ice due to injury. On the irrational side, I just can’t stand the thought of seeing Vancouver punks in the Blackhawks lineup without wanting to puke down the front of myself. I don’t think it’s a matter of talent, it’s a matter of consistency. That’s not a knock on Coach Q, but that seemed to be the overriding problem this past season. And they still almost got to the SCF. Just my opinions.
Whoever is reporting TT or Saad in VAN trade negotiations is reporting OLD news. As I said before, the BHawks walked away from trade discussions 10+ days ago when VAN insisted on TT or Saad as part of any deal. It was VAN that came back to CHI just 2 days ago (not the other way around) to start this rumor mill going again….Saad & TT are off the table.
I am in the trade Sharp now camp. Again repeating the you keep the “dynasty” going by moving players that can be replaced. Plug Morin, just saying a player we have, into Sharps spot on the Toews and Hossa line and he should be able to garner 20 goals and 20 assists while playing with 2 defensively responsible forwards to learn from. The new 2C with Kane and Saad would certainly get 40 more points than Handzus got you, thus making up Sharps#s. That allows you to have Smith, Shaw and Bickell on a 3rd line that would give many teams fits to match up with.
Mike57 and SSHM You are on to something…
If Hawks deal 10… it may or may not have to be for Kesler/type… Hawks would be in great Position to get younger more middle of road type C… save a few $$$M…
This would also indicate to me- that the Hawks are as High on Morin as they were a few years ago- before a concussion… I have said this a long time ago– Morin is closest thing in Hawks system to Sharp… pure sniper… (skating has improved- still not as fast as 10)… with that said- If they get a “2nd C” the Hawks have options of Morin or perhaps even moving TT to a wing…
Re: Prospects for “core”… the best/natural replacements… Johns for #7… and Morin for # 10… no replacements for 2,81,88,4,20 even Bickell (who I don’t see as core- but really no replacement for his skill/size)…
My evolving opinion is that Sharp will be dealt. And that the Hawks will identify a “mid-tier” veteran to bring in who has a reasonable contract. A combination of trading Sharp at the zenith of his remaining value while freeing up dollars while simultaneously Bowman adds something at Center.
I’m 100% behind how this shakes out. I heard a radio comment that Bowman wants Statsny badly, but that surely is a crock of crap because no way does the financial luxury exist to make that work with Toews, Kane and Saad contracts looming.
And I will also say there is better than 50-50 chance Leddy is on the block right now too.
I believe that both Sharp & Oduya will be gone this week.
I could see either prospects: (Morin, Daunalt, McNeill, and 27th draft pick)
or Sharp & 27th draft pick for Kesler
Either way, if the Hawks get Kelser I think Sharp is getting traded. I think the main reason for 10′s departure is to make room for Teravainen at LW. While he might not be physically ready to be an NHL Center, I think the Hawks believe that TT is ready at wing. Saad has also clearly shown that he belongs on the top 6. Bickell should also be back from injury. Hawks aren’t going to bump Hoss or Kane, and they can’t pay Sharp 5 Million to play on the 3rd line with the contracts of 19/88/20 set to go up.
Possible Depth Chart:
TT – Toews – Hossa
Saad – Kesler – Kane
Bickell – Shaw – Smith
Versteeg – Kruger – Morin/Bollig
Reserve: Nordstrom /Rasmussen
Keith – Seabrook
Hammer – Leddy
Dahlbeck – Rosival/Rundblad/Johns
Tab I don’t see how or why the Hawks couldnt put together a package for Evander Kane w Leddy as the center piece? Kane is on the block and they are looking for a young dman in return. I also don’t think the Hawks moving Sharp to Calgary for Granlund is a pipe dream either. The flames arent high on him based on his size
If Nucks want TT and Saad that’s clearly a pipedream
One, there is no chance that is enough to get Kessler from Vancouver. Two, there is snowball chance in hell Teuvo could play LW in this league.
“there is snowball chance in hell Teuvo could play LW in this league” (rufus)
What the heck are you talking about? You realize LW is an easier position to play than Center right? Wow. Why don’t you tell us again how the Hawks were tired and couldn’t wait to go home after the very first game they lost in the very first series of the playoffs? I’m surprised you come back here again and again considering how wrong you have been consistently about everything.
Facepalm. You would not find a single intelligent mind in hockey who would project Teuvo at LW in this league. Nary a one.
Pretty much everybody projects TT as a much surer thing at Wing than at C, you are a fool.
Well good luck with that son. That is a completely unsubstantiated statement. I’m not going to debate a hockey newcomer or an outright d!psh!t. Whatever makes your world to around. Crikey
Uh huh. Good luck with being a moron Rufus.
Being a first line winger with Toews and Hossa is a big job out of the gate for TT. not as big as 2C. But really big. I think he should have at least until January with the ice hogs. Have Bickell with Toews and Hossa. If they don’t get a 2C then say hello to Shaw and Smith sharing duties between SAAD & Kane. Just my thinking.
TT only limitations right now are his size. His hockey IQ and on ice.vision are off the charts. I’m not a scout but I believe he can probably play either wing or.center when.he is NHL ready
RTF – TT doesn’t have the body to be a prototypical LW but to say he can’t play it is just wrong. If he can play in the NHL he can play, regardless which side of the rink he plays on or if he’s in the middle. I would like to see a 86-19-81 / 20-2C-88 top-6 and I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if TT does very well on a line with Toews and Hossa.
re: putting together a package w/ Leddy as the centerpiece for Evander Kane
E. Kane – $5.25M for 4 more years
Leddy – $2.7M for 1 more year
Not sure which salary cap projection you’re using, but that’s a pretty significant amount of money to pick up w/ 19, 88 & 20 needing new deals in 12 months…
Put me down for not moving Sharp out… Sharp for Kesler..NO… Sharpie is pure Blackhawk… Is there some reason why Sharpie can’t be our 2c?
“Is there some reason why Sharpie can’t be our 2c?”
Tab – Do you think Teravainen can play wing in the NHL or is he strictly a Center? Their seems to be a bit of debate about it.
My understanding is that the Blackhawks project Teravainen as a center. That said, moving from center to wing isn’t out of the realm of possibility – ask Sharp.
TT could be a wing, but most of the”experts” project him as a center prospect who could ultimately end up as a rw (not lw) especially when we have Bickell and Saad over there. He probably replaces Hossa at rw (eventually).
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Thanks for the responses. Tim – I get he is more the prototypical RW but I would just like to point out that not all LW are huge guys, ala, Kunitz, Parise, Marchand, Palat, Zuccarello, Perron, Jokinen, to name just a few of the top players at LW. If TT can play, they will get him on the ice and if Sharp is gone then that’s the open spot in my opinion.
Tab the projection I am proposing would also include Sharp or would have Sharp moving in a corresponding move. Ideally the Hawks would move Sharp for a center with a year or 2 on their deal for less then 5 million. So the Hawks would be moving Sharps 5.9 million and Leddys 2.7 for Evander Kane and a replacement level player.
This might sound stupid, but I think the Hawks will be a higher scoring team without Sharp. I know he ended up leading the team in goals and probably shots again, but Im sure he also lead the team in killing our offensive threats. You know those soft tosses to the goalie, the missed shots on the open nets, the whiffs, broken stick…shooting when he should of been passing. All that being said I do like him. He’s in the right position, he hits people now and then and ends up with pucks in the net. But he always the last to handle the puck when it looks like we have a scoring chance. Im definitely in the trade now camp.
“TT could be a wing, but most of the”experts” project him as a center prospect who could ultimately end up as a rw (not lw) ”
“Pretty much everybody projects TT as a much surer thing at Wing than at C”
Who are these people/experts?
“You would not find a single intelligent mind in hockey who would project Teuvo at LW in this league”
I have a headache-goodnight!
Yes, TT “COULD” play the LW… but lets face it.. Playing him with 19/81 is all great and grand, but what happens when someone takes a run at 19? Is TT going to answer the bell? Thats the “value” of playing Bickell on the 19/81 line. Until someone is moved we have 10,29,20,11,52 as LW’s and 81,88,23,42 as RW’s with 19,65,28,16 as C’s. Ok… so we move 10… 29 and 20 are the top 2 LW’s and would not be moved down for a guy who has less than 10 NHL games to his name.
To me, TT will only play this year as a 2C. He may ulitmatly end up on a Wing , but I dont think that will happen until two top 6 wings are moved AND we have a true 2C. 88, 20, 81 arent going anywhere. so if 29 AND 10 are moved… maybe we get TT on the LW, but I seriously doubt that happens…
Ugh, answer the bell? Really? It isn’t 1991 anymore…
Bottom line is the Hawks are limited by the Cap.
E Kane for Leddy costs the Hawks $3mm of cap space. Can’t happen. (E Kane would be DYNAMIC on the Hawks)
TT and Saad are going nowhere cause the Hawks simply can not afford to trade either one of them for anybody who would cost more this coming season.
Saad’s payday is coming but I think his contract will be around $5mm per year.
Kesler for Sharp only works because the Hawks actually save about $1mm. I agree that Sharp’s value is as high as it is gonna get.
Spezza is an interesting situation. Although he is only 31 his front loaded contract pays him $4mm next season (the last of his contract) BUT he has a Cap hit of $7mm. Tab, do you know if this is legal? Hawks trade Sharp for Spezza. Spezza voids his current contract and signs a 3 year contract for say $5.5mm. Spezza makes $1.5mm more and the Hawks Cap hit is only $5.5mm……or am I smoking the herb too???
For those wanting Sharp for Kessler… can someone tell me why Vancouver would take that deal? Sure, Sharp is a more productive player… but he’s older and signed to longer term. Wouldn’t you think a rebuilding Vancouver team would want a younger player they could control for a longer period of time and will be peaking when they expect to be competitive again?
I definitely think it’s time to move Sharp if you can get proper value in return. Love the guy, love how he plays, love what he brings… but it’s better to get value while you can rather than wait to long and be stuck with a bloated salary for a less than productive player. That said, if you don’t get the right piece back, may as well hold on to him to make another run at it this year.
Again, wow…we are the best franchise in hockey…we are the best/tied for best team in the NHL…we lost at home, in game 7 of the WCFs by a fluke goal…before that we had won 2 in a row including in LA…we were handicapped because our coach stubbornly played Handzus, who is done, and often as 2nd line Centre. He also chose to dress Bollig instead of Regin and thus we had only 3 lines.
Now, what part of all of this don’t any of you get? WAKE UP! The only weakness this team has had for 5 years now is no 2nd line centre. We could get tougher/younger on D, but that’s it…WTF is all this talk about trading players left, right and centre? If we stand pat, fill the spaces internally, we are better for it by the principle of Addition by Subtraction. If we add anything new to the team it will be a depth/role player that can solidify the depth of the roster come playoff time.
Any of you ripping on Sharp’s playoff performance needs their head examined…Sharp, like a lot of players, played hurt during the playoffs, but he played hard every shift. And EXACTLY LIKE Patrick Kane if you follow Sharp’s production it only came AWAY from Michael Handzus…in the last 2 games when Sharp finally got free from Zus to the 3rd line with Smith and Kruger, HE WAS OUR BEST FORWARD! Or have some of you conveniently forgotten this? Sharp’s game 6 in LA was outstanding, as was his game 7 at home…WHY? No Zus. We don’t need to trade Sharp, he is a CONSISTENT, elite scorer that is a very young 32…he’s got lots of years left in him, just like Hossa. During the regular season, when both Kane and Sharp were away from Zus, they scored at record levels, when they were sent to Siberia to skate with Zus their production STOPPED. How do any of you guys blame Kane or Sharp for this? If so, why aren’t more of you RIPPING Patrick Kane for drying up just when Rufus said we were done as a team? Why not? Because you knew that Kane was skating with Zus every night and not getting any help offensively.
So IF the Hawks make a move, besides a depth/role player, it will ONLY be to move Oduya (perfect timing) and to acquire, finally, a 2nd line Centre…that’s it. This is a CHAMPIONSHIP team, they expect to win it all, they know how to win it all…we don’t need a bunch of new faces (e.g. Evander Kane) that will F$ck up the team chemistry and knowledge of winning. What does Evander Kane know about winning a championship or being a great team mate? NOTHING…we don’t need the Evander Kane’s of the world…we need the current players we have, and they need just a little help. We need more Andrew Shaw’s, and we just happen to have one in Rockford named Garret Ross.
Just before the draft is an exciting time and rumours fly and people lose their heads…but the Hawks only need 1 or 2 PRECISE moves…and if it means trading Patrick Sharp, then it had better be for a BIG time player, regardless of the stats…a quality leader that knows how to win. I have said I will support a trade for Kesler, because he is that type of player. Had the Nucks won in 2011, he would have been named the Conn Smythe winner. He knows how to play hockey the right way and just wants to win…that isn’t some locker room cancer as some dimwits have attempted to assert. Its a talented, responsible veteran that plays every shift like its his last…that kind of player I can handle.
Brad, taking this banter way too seriously. Reports are “Sharp is available”. Why not speculate what he might bring back to us. Hey it is not any of us who says he is available. I don’t think ANYONE here is ready to “dump” Sharpie….he is a Blackhawk.
I’m finally out of my post game 7 WCF funk…seeing Dunc’s get the Norris last night was a help. I’m totally in Sr. Brad’s camp with his last comments just above.
Why in the hell can’t Sharpie play 2c? He’s got the 200 foot skill set, the guile and the veteran presence needed? We’ve got the young guns that can come in produce along side him, don’t we?
I can’t wait for training camp to open to get 2014-15 underway.
Thanks for the tip Brad, just made an appointment to get my head examined.
Sorry I don’t get my balls in a twist over moving a one dimensional player. Sharp scores goals which is neat, but does little else. Constantly flies the zone, does little work in his own, is meh on the boards, doesn’t kill penalties, is mediocre on the point in my opinion and obviously doesn’t play center anymore.
They averaged 26 shots on goal this last playoff run and were out shot by two offensively anemic teams. That is awful and inexcusable and NOT how you win in the playoffs with measured consistency. I don’t care who the second line center is that group should not be that pinned in under any circumstances. Gaining strength up the middle and building around that with younger players and/or veterans who want a shot is doable and moving Sharp will offer a lot of flexibility to do so.
In real life 1 or 2 precise moves don’t happen. However 4 or 5 with 2 working out and a third being good enough may be just enough.
According to cap geek, Sharp has a NMC and a modified NTC in his current contract. What is a modified NTC? Have those specifics been made public?
We can play arm chair GM all we want and deal 10 to where ever. But it appears as though 10 has some say in the matter and would have to waive/modify his current contract to be moved; unless I am grossly misunderstanding something here.
Sharp would have to provide the Blackhawks with a list of teams he is/is NOT willing to play for if they intended to move him. Brian Campbell had a NTC and waived it to go to Florida, and I think we’re all hoping Johnny Oduya waives his in the next 24 hours to go somewhere before/during the draft.
Mike, it was partly done tongue in cheek, but I know you get my point.
AJ, good news! And as to the real world, 1 or 2 calculated moves is exactly what Bowman does and will do again.
Greg, as Tab has said, only Q and Sharp know why Sharpy doesn’t play Centre when we have lots of good wingers…just think during the playoffs, Kruger could have centred the 3rd line with Shaw on the wing and Zus would have been the 4th line centre where he was best suited.
Wall, I agree with the hypothesis regarding the Hawks and Morin…he is that sniper…after Morin was sent down when Zus and Bickell came back, he went on a tear in Rockford that was unprecedented in the AHL (he scored at a goal a game pace)…and when he came back up to the Hawks, he was our best forward over the last few weeks of the season…and not just with his scoring and playmaking…but with his physical play. I’ve always said that he’s going to be a consistent 25-35/year goal scorer…the Hawks should let TT mature in Rockford with all the time he needs. Its Morin that I would like to see get his shot on the top line with Toews and Hossa. Bickell on the 3rd line with say Shaw and Smith would make that line a monster too.
LA Kings re-sign Gaborik for 7 years at $4.9M per according to reports.
That is a very generous assessment of Bowman’s history.
Obviously Tab, Gaborik’s deal is about the total money guaranteed…and to manage it Lombardi had to structure it over 7 years…and Gaborik with his body won’t play another 7 years, so how will that impact their CAP situation down the road? Is it a similar situation to the Hawks and Hossa???
The Chicago Blackhawks have announced that they have traded 2C Patrick Sharp to the Chicago Blackhawks for LW Patrick Sharp.
Some IL lotto tickets may or may not be involved too……
An audible collective “sigh” was heard by female hockey fans in the Chicago metro area…….
Brad – deals signed under the current CBA are not subject to the cap penalties associated with early retirement. So if Gaborik retires after 4 years, his cap hit is off the books penalty-free for the Kings. It looks like his actual salary goes down to just over $3M at the end of the deal, so some stretching to bring down the hit but not a ton. A very good deal for the Kings imo
Word has it that Lombardi is also keeping (not buying out) Richards.. Will have him for another 6 years at $5.75M
Kings have to be favorite to win Cup next year…
At least until SB makes some moves!!!
Or injuries happen.
But think about it Wall, remove Zus with an actual 2nd line centre, and then a 4th line that can skate playoff minutes (like we had, and normally have) and we would have beat the Kings in 5 or 6. I think the Hawks are the favourite going in, along with the Kings, and the Bruins a close 3rd choice.
Brad, I typically agree with you but think you’re way on the kool-aid Bro. Hawks were lucky to get past both StL and Minn (were outplayed by both but got by with strong CC in those series, not to mention a concussed Backes.) They had no answer for LA when they got rolling, which was exacerbated by an ineffective Zus and truncated line strategy by Q. Regardless, LA returns with 4 STRONG C’s and prototypical playoff approach.
Of course, we’re also 2-time SC champs and a contender, but I FULLY disagree with you that trading Sharp would be “foolish” to acquire a strong 2C (as well as dropping a prospect or 2 not named TT or Saad.) Kesler or Spezza or Stasney as 2C would put us where you see us without the move.
The Hawks were indeed lucky to get by both the Blues and Wild. Crawford won both those series. The Kings meanwhile throttled the Hawks on both ends of the ice. It was a great series, but the Kings BEAT the Hawks. And let’s face it the Hawks limped from January to the end of the season. Meanwhile LA, Minnesota and even St Louis keep improving. Can’t forget about Anaheim or Colorado either, plus the Hawks have landed on the pattern of not dealing with speed teams well.
2nd line Center of quality is crucial. Hawks are built to win NOW. Bowman has work to do and I expect we are about to see a substantial move or two.
On offense, the Hawks have a 4 “Big guns” in 19, 88,81 and 10. They have an emerging higher level talent in Saad to round out your top-5 and then some very good role players to deploy in Bickell, Kruger, Shaw and Smith. Your remaining bodies include promising rookies like TT, Morin, Nordy and Denault and a mixed bag with Bollig, and Versteeg (Regin is not yet re-signed and may not be.) How you plug the glaring hole moving forward as otyher teams improve and set themselves uip to beat the Hawks is the challenge. For my money I like the mix better if Sharp goes for a quality 2C (as the cap forces us to swap the $$.) This is a hellava lineup that wins another cup or 2:
Obviously some interchangeable parts, but Roll-4 and keep em coming…
Negzz-assuming 10 is out and Kesler in (a big assumption) the top three lines can compete-they look solid
to me that forth line is a mess. I like Kruger and Bollig unfortunately will be one of the 4 fourth line guys-we need some speed and grit for the other two-23 isn’t a 4th liner
(Ross, Nordstrom, ??)
I really think the Hawks will upgrade-one way or another at 2C. Next few days exciting!
So the recent rumors are Sharp’s agent has said SB has assured him that he is not being moved,….hmmmm interesting!
Someone previously referenced that his brother is purportedly a players’ agent. If that is true, please find out who bollig’s agent is? Whoever Mr. X is, he 1) robbed SB blind; 2) set up bollig and his family to live the high life ; and 3) made double the agent’ s cut he ever thought possible. As Sr Brad accurately points out, we had no 4th line in playoffs — this all starts and ends w/ bollig’s situation. A 4 line hawks team is better than the kings 4 lines. The hawks’ defense is better than the kings. W/ limited salary cap space ($4.6m), whatever combination of sharp and/ or Kessler still means there’s not enough $ s to go around ( smith morin raanta all need to be signed). Smith has proven he’s worth more than bollig’s 1.25 salary/ cap hit ; morin is certainly worth this amt as well (and if morin’s agent is reading this, remember his pro career +/- is +46 better than bollig’s, let alone he can actually play and has a skill set). 1.25 for a good backup goalie is below mkt value as well. SB needs to be called out. This is a major blunder that is going to cost the hawks a good player in one form or another. And lets not start slotting in everyone and their mom from Rockford — the hawks don’t operate that way. Although many on this blog who watch Rockford games could testify that likely 6 forwards on Rockford are more capable than the bollig. And @ least half a million dollars cheaper per yr.
Let’s not forget the Kings could have easily been knocked out in the first round. There is no excuse for the Sharks falling apart and allowing the Kings to come back. Let’s not crown (no pun intended) LA the kings of the NHL. They had alot of luck to get where they are.
That is a very good point Bladz… While some some people accuse Brad of drinking the Kool-Aid, he’s right. While he STL and MIN series were tough fought, and the hawks were a little fortuate to win some of the games they did, they were in those spots cuz Zus limited the 2nd line production. I do agree with his addition by substraction theory. Pirri, Smith, Shaw all saw some level of quality production in that role. Ridding ourselves of Zus still leaves us as the favorite on paper, and in Vegas.
TT should be able to succeed give 2 wingers of 20/10/88. Even if he isnt ready, then we only need to bring in someone slightly above where Pirri/Smith/Shaw are in their careers. We dont NEED kesler… we dont NEED speeza.
But Dont get me wrong though. if we can bring them in without giving up TT/20, Im interested. I already said the most i would give us would be Morin, K Hayes, Oduya, and one of McNeill or Danault. (perferable McNeill IMO). I would throw in the #27 pick if we get their #36.
Morin/Oduya can play for Vancouver this year. Hayes and McNeill would give them prospects for the future. That to me is a fair deal for a guy who “wants out” and “wants out to only certain teams”. 2 usuable pieces and 2 prospects (and maybe a pick upgrade to “sweeten the deal”.
Anything more costly than that, and it would be no dice for me. We can make a smaller move and still be the favorites.
Let’s not lose sight of the key part of any Kesler negotiations:
He has a NTC, and has indicated that there are only 2/3 teams (CHI, ANA, PIT, depending on which report you read) that he’ll accept a trade to this summer.
VAN doesn’t have to trade him… but he’s unhappy and has the right to veto a trade if he doesn’t like the destination. Why back up the truck to get a guy who’s got the Canucks by the stones?
ESPN reporting that Sharp’s agent said “They’re not trading him. He’s the last guy on the list who they would trade.”
I can think of a couple other people on that list after Sharp…that’s some tough talk haha.
If you can make the cap work, keep Sharp and add Kelser? Home run for ’14-’15. Means 27 + others must go (another $2M+) for ’14-15 to fit BUT will have to unload significant more $$ to handle the increases 88 + 19 will receive effective ’15-’16.. Spezza is a 1-year rental and makes it easier for ’15-’16..
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