Rookies Shine But Hawks Blow Lead(s), Game

After holding opponents to just over two goals per game in their last 10 contests, the flood gates opened up on the Blackhawks defense on Thursday night.

A Kevin Stenlund goal with 74 seconds left in regulation ended up being the difference in the game. Columbus scored four goals in the third period and overcame two, two-goal leads to emerge with a 6-5 road victory.

The game marked only the second regulation loss in the Blackhawks’ last 12 games.

While the defensive effort was a disaster and Kevin Lankinen would undoubtedly love a do-over, not everything was ugly. The Blackhawks did score five goals, and they came from the youngsters once again.

Chicago trailed 1-0 after the first period but the offense didn’t take much time to get going in the second. Ian Mitchell tied the game with his first career NHL goal.

Mitchell’s goal came 21 seconds into the middle frame.

Nicolas Beaudin gave the Blackhawks the lead with his first goal of the season only 56 seconds later.

Beaudin’s night had only just begun. He started a pretty passing play that finished with Patrick Kane setting up Pius Suter for his sixth of the season to extend Chicago’s lead to 3-1.

The Hawks gave up a goal with two minutes left in the second to give Columbus a glimmer of hope. At the end of 40 minutes of hockey, the Blackhawks led 3-2 off three goals from rookies.

Patrick Kane extended the lead back to two just 29 seconds into the third period with a power play goal.

The goal is Kane’s seventh of the season.

But the defense started to fall apart a few minutes later. Columbus scored twice in 80 seconds in the middle of the period to tie the game. Lankinen was fighting it and, even with seven dressed defensemen, the Hawks weren’t clearing the puck. And Chicago was taking worthless penalties, opening the door for the Jackets to climb back in to the game.

Kane set up DeBrincat for a go-ahead goal at 13:05. Madison Bowey picked up his first assist with the Blackhawks on the Hawks’ fifth goal of the night.

That goal would end the night offensively for Chicago and Columbus would score the final two to escape with a regulation victory.

Kane led the Hawks with one goal and two assists in 21:26. DeBrincat matched his one goal, two assist performance in 20:12. And Suter finished tied for the team lead with Kane with four shots on net in 18:45. After the game, Kane was very complimentary of Suter’s emergence as a more confident NHL player as the season has progressed.

Beaudin skated only 13:23 but picked up his first career multi-point game, adding an assist to his first career goal. Mitchell skated 17:58 and added one hit to his first career goal. Mitchell ranked second among the Hawks’ seven defensemen in ice time behind only Duncan Keith.

Lankinen wasn’t great but he faced 43 shots in the game – far too many.

108 thoughts on “Rookies Shine But Hawks Blow Lead(s), Game

  1. No worries. Remember the mistakes, learn from them, put it in the vault, and on to the next one. Very cool for 51 and 74 to get on the board.

  2. Too many HOPE passes from the Hawks d men.Every pass can’t be a long up the middle hand grenade.The jackets physically took the game over.Wish the Hawks could have picked up Roslovic a couple months ago.He is the real deal.Hawks top line was great.Kamph and Hagel were also solid.The rest of the forwards were ghosts.Bowey looks solid.Lankinen was poor tonight.He got beat from long range without a screen in front of him a couple times and that can’t happen.Wasnt crazy about his rebound control either.Dumb penalties by Zadorov and Highmore.Get Reese Johnson and Walmark into the lineup and sit Highmore and put Kubalik on the 4th line for awhile.

  3. I know he had an assist but Bowey is terrible. They were due for a defensive let down but they will learn from it. When you score 5 you should win.

  4. Highmore can’t take dumb penalties like tonight, one resulted in a goal. He’s like Kampf just can’t finish.

  5. These are the types of games the Hawks won’t win very often. It just so happened that they lost this game by one. But they could have just as easily lost 6-2. All of the backchecking, forechecking, and forcing the opposition to go 200 feet was gone. It all leads to a ton of offensive zone time for the opponent and too many neutral zone turnovers which allowed Columbus to work with a short rink and enter our zone at will. Unfortunately, on a night where the Hawks were outworked all night, Lankinen also didn’t have his best stuff. Nor did the pk. So every facet used to prevent goals failed tonight.

    Now, glass half full, as Tab detailed in his game summary, Beaudin, Mitchell, Kurashev, and Suter continue to show that they’re here to stay. And it was fun to see them each continue to evolve offensively. But this team isn’t build to win games 7-5. Hope to see a better defensive effort on Saturday, since that’s how they’ll win games consistently.

    PS-Here’s also hoping that Stan doesn’t try to sign Suter to a bridge like he did with Panarin. Apples and Oranges to a certain extent, but my point is, this offseason, see if you can get Suter locked up for the next four years. He’s only going to get better and you don’t want to have to try to extend him if he puts up back to back 60 point seasons. 3.5-4.0 for 4-5 years. Lock him up and you’ll have a nice piece of your top six under contract for awhile.

    Cat-Dach-Kane
    Kurashev-Suter-Kubalik

  6. It sucks to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Very poor puck management all night. Team defense was very soft with plenty of skating room for Columbus, partly due to turnovers. Strome skated the 2nd fewest minutes of all forwards and I really can’t recall anything he did. It’s pretty obvious but Patrick Kane never ceases to be amazing – those backhand passes were incredible.

  7. sorry everyone…I bet the under and jinxed us…what a frustrating finish though. lankinen seemed to have lost his confidence after the 3rd or 4th goal and let in a few he really should have stopped. or maybe he was just drained from the 60 minute onslaught of shots

  8. Highmore didn’t earn the right to stay in the lineup—he was soft with contact, toppled over easy a few times + the dumb penalty
    Soderberg has to bring more too, he was only noticeable when jumping out in on plays that Hagel was generating
    For his 2nd game, I thought Bowey was fine, patient getting out of the zone and some good passes

  9. This was not a pretty loss. It was there for the Blackhawks. But, a veteran Bluejackets team, that plays the same style, showed a young Blackhawks team what it takes to win. Yes, Mitchell and Beaudin got their first goals. Offensively, this was a fun game for the team. I’m starting to wonder if Suter, DeBrincat, and Kane are a trio of danger. All three just make such a difference. It’s a loss, yes. But…the kids will learn from it.

    The bad. Yes, Mitchell and Beaudin scored their first goals. They also led the team in Giveaways. Lankinen had a bad game. He let a few in that he probably wanted back. BUT…he was under so much offensive pressure by Columbus. The team did very little to help him, defensively speaking. Strome was absolute garbage. His FO% was 30%. He was virtually invisible on the ice. He’s really playing himself out of a job. Is it time to trade him? No. Way too early in the season. If he doesn’t get some consistency in his game he will be gone…or at least not at center. No one at Rockford, as of yet, is ready to take his place. It sucks because he is a good assist guy and his size is sorely needed. Zadorov took a bad penalty and it cost the team. I am not a fan of him at all. The team could have kept Koekkoek and either Gilbert or Seeler. The team would have been better off. De Haan was out there but you really didn’t know it. Janmark had a poor game also. It’s really his first. Was that because he was on a line with Strome? I don’t know. That line did not have much of anything.

    Overall, the team had the energy but was just outplayed by a team that had more experience and was absolutely relentless. Having Murphy would have helped. The team has until Saturday. I have confidence that this will not be a repeat. I don’t expect to win every game. But, given the style of play and the success it has brought, every game will be a nail biter. The only other thing I have to acknowledge is that with this many games in the books, teams now have film on the team and the players. The division will adjust. So to must the young Blackhawks. Does Subban get the start on Saturday? Delia? Or will Coach C try to give Lankinen a shot at redemption. SATURDAY!!!!

    The

  10. WOW – lots going on in this game. Some good, some bad. More bad than good. It’s going to take a while to process and arrive at a few cogent thoughts.

    Without thinking about the details of the game – there is one observation I found interesting, and a little hypocritical on my part. I found myself rooting for them to win the game and disappointed when they didn’t. Not before the game started, but after the three rookies scored to go up 3-1, I couldn’t help being all in on winning the game. I’m afraid my heart has wrestled control away from my brain. After the game ended I was pressing my brain reset switch hoping I would be happy that (1) the rookies played (mostly) well and (2) the Hawks didn’t pick up any points in the standings. That’s the formula we’re supposed to want – isn’t it? Is it still? My brain answers in the affirmative but my heart isn’t so sure anymore. I reckon I’m a little conflicted.

    One more thing – liked seeing DCat wearing the “A”.

  11. The his looked like the Hawks from most of last year – giveaway central

    Nice to see 51 and 74 with goals and a great assist from Beaudin but they were not very good in the D zone – that’s gonna happen

    Lank was the reason the Hawks had a lead at all but he let in a couple at the end that he would have had previous nights – again it’s gonna happen

    The test will be to see how they respond to blowing a lead

    Missed 5 down the stretch no doubt

    Boquist in for Bowey and Wallmark for Highmore- I’m ok with the 7D for now – let’s JC pace the young guys — I think it’s working for now

  12. I like it when everything goes wrong with almost everybody at the same time and it wasn’t like they where destroyed 8-1. They fight back then trip then fought back again to finaly loose the game . Of course we knew it would hapend with a bunch of kids learning how to Control their emotions .bad games happen and I saw many mistakes that kids will learn from it.
    We really need Johnson in the next game and JC will do the adjustment and will calm the kids.
    Beaudin ant Mitchell are learning slowly and are far from their 200 games needed to become better Dmen.
    Can’t win them all and the Hawks where overdue to loose a game.
    Now we forget this one and tomorrow is another day to get prepared for the next game.
    Love my young Hawks

  13. Will boqvist join Ian Mitchell and Nicolas Beaudin at rw or is boqv lw? Just kidding.

    Not enough power plays to win the game or get a point.

  14. Exactly what we want for this season leanr experience gets some wins and some loses. We learn better that way and get rewarded with a top draft pick.

    Also playing in the hardest division/maybe VEG STL COL has more top teams then any other division but central has more top 10ish teams so we get good competition other the DET.

    They really should just make DET play OTT the whoel season.

  15. We needed 5 to help tighten up the defense tonight. Too many times we lost gap control and were struggling to find men, really obvious on the last goal. Beaudin again struggled with puck handling on the right side of the rink, including the PP giveaway that led to the shorty for CLB. I like his defense for the most part, but his stickwork struggles.

    Lankinen settled down after a tough start, but looked a little shell-shocked at the end. As much as I want to see other goalies, I think he needs to get back in the net next game to see how he reacts. Then lets get a rotation for a little while.

    Strome was poor. Dcat fell back into his giveaway habits in the defensive zone. He had been considerably better in that regard – I would say good – to this point. Zadorov recovers better than he plays sometimes, if that makes sense. Kinda frustrating to watch. Thought Soderberg played well. That screen for Kane was textbook, and he helps out very well defensively. He knows his way around the ice.

    I don’t expect to see Highmore next game. Too many unacceptable plays. He’s losing love with a bunch of guys more consistently better.

    It’s a process. Let’s see how they handle this.

    Oh – and as a critic of Kane – I gotta say his defensive zone play is some of the best I can recall from him. Far more consistently. I can feel him leading these kids and I love it. Keep playing hard Kaner. The kids need your leadership.

  16. Thats the risk reward of playing rookies, they can lead your offense like last game and 1st 3 goals this game. Then they can at times look like, well rookies learning the ropes. See how they respond next game, if they can bounce back, little adversity is good for them. May see a few different faces, Wallmark for Highmore and possibly Boqvist and Kalynuk on blueline, Bowey and Carlsson be easiest moves to get them in lineup, Murphy a big void for sure there. Subban might start although putting Lankinen back in to show confidence in him a good thought too.

  17. “It’s a process”. Spot on comment.

    No Murphy is a killer. Losing a top 3 defenseman is very significant for this young group. Still came 4 minutes from winning. Not bad.

    We need way more out of Strome and Kubalik. Colliton must agree. 12 minutes of ice time for Strome. He needs to earn more.

    Mitchell, Beaudin and Carlsson all have 18 shifts. Nice by the coaching staff. Pretty even balance as they try to develop these guys.

    Credit to Pius Suter. He goes to the crease area and stops. He deserves the tap ins that he gets because he’s willing to go the greasy areas. Some guys never ever get that or lack the courage to do so.

    Lots to like. Looking forward to Saturday. Likely a big chance for Subban to follow up on his brilliance from Super Bowl Sunday.

  18. If this is still a goaltending competition, you can’t put Lankinen back in there Saturday. Nobody is mad at him. The Hawks would not be where they are without him. A game like this was inevitable, but he hasn’t been playing well long enough to have earned the net without challenges. He is the front runner, no doubt. We will see what Subban has and he has been really good the last two games.

    The Hawks got beat badly on SOG. Columbus is a good team. Subban will probably have his hands full.

    Hagel almost got one tonight………..again. He made some really good passes too.

    These injuries are rugged for the Hawks on top of what they are already dealing with. Murphy has been strong. Everyone else on the other thread echoed the thoughts that we have about Shaw. It’s really a shame as he has so much heart. He reminds one of “Rudy.” Bringing up Montador’s name is appropriate and hopefully Shaw is having a very reasoned and logical discussion with his doctors, his family and himself.

    Highmore and Zadorov can’t take those penalties. Zadorov looked like he didn’t think it was a penalty. He was the only person who didn’t. Highmore really damaged himself and his future prospects with the Hawks on his. Yes, he was hustling but you need to engage your brain as well and he didn’t.

    There was a lot to like tonight, including some 5 on 5 goals. It looks like you have to keep Kane and DeBrincat together. That was potent. Who knows what to make of Strome? The rookies first goals were fun.

    The Hawks need to be better on Saturday but they competed hard.

  19. These games happen annually to every team, Hawks played hard for 60. Let’s see how they bounce back, for a rebuild so far this is a massive success

  20. At worst, we should have taken a point last night. Way too many giveaways and failure to clear the puck. Just sloppy on both ends. DeBrincat and Kane were positives all night, with Suter Sodeberg and Kampf just a notch below. I also thought that Carlsson and Bowey were decent.

    DeBrincat(8)
    Kane(8)
    Suter(7)
    Kampf(7)
    Hagel(7)
    Soderberg(6)
    Bowey(6)
    Carlsson(6)
    Beaudin(6)

    Strome(4)
    Highmore(4)

  21. That was a stinker – it happens.

    Gotta put Lankinen in goal again Sat., then start rotation again (as someone posted earlier).

    Murphy very sorely missed.

    DCat still needs either Strome or Kane (? maybe both?) to be successful, can’t trade Strome quite yet . . . .

    Missed Shaw quite a bit; not from points perspective, but others can’t do his job as well and there is domino effect. Others should get better over time. Hope for Shaw to make full recovery but also use the time to thoroughly evaluate his future before either coming back or retiring.

  22. Having players like 5 allow the young wave players to ‘play’ because trickle efftect is closer to normal.

    When were already playing short handed without 20 50 77 19 that is massive and without enough in any spot like 5 for the D group.

    So I look forward to a deeper/better roster with another top end draft player and having 77 19 next yr and Lankenin is really good to have the goalie for the future is huge.

    Cant wait to see the young wave in a yr from now with a 3/4 roster. Then after that a 4/4 full roster by adding good ufa players.

    Where right where we want to be big pictire wise.

  23. Perspective, one loss (and there will be more) and it’s gets pretty negative. Lots of micro managing of a team playing way above expectations.
    Lots of positives for the year and a young team making mistakes.

    Can’t believe this comment-
    “DCat still needs either Strome or Kane (? maybe both?) ”
    A great stretch and lots of effort by 12, I guess the ‘scouts’ are wanting more.
    Same thing was said of him since he was 16, it was McDavid, it was Strome it was Raddysh and he’s done pretty well-maybe just maybe he is adaptable and a pretty successful NHL player in his own right.

  24. This was going to happen sooner rather than later. Why? Because they have too many LHD playing on the right side. The only RHD playing last night and against Dallas are Mitchell and Bowey with Murphy and Boqvist out. But the LHD playing on the right side were the 2nd and 3rd pairings and they did better than that shit show of Keith and Mitchell. I believe they were a -4 on the night.

    If Murphy and Boqvist are still out keep deHaan on the bench he’s playing TIMID and his -8 shows that. I think he’s protecting his shoulder and don’t blame him but he’s taking time away from the kids to develop. Beaudin and Zadorov look pretty good together if Zadorov would just stop taking stupid penalties. I think Bowey and Carlsson can handle the 3rd pairing if JC would just give them the chance. Keith and Mitchell? Bad games happen and have been good together but a night like last night just can’t happen again.

    I’m not too worried about the forwards JC is doing his best impression of Q juggling lines. He’ll figure it out but they are playing good. Fixing the defense so they actually have RHD playing the right side instead of 4 rookie LHD will right the ship and make life easier for our goalies. Wyatt K.? Another LHD. But looking at the future. Beaudin,Carlsson and Wyatt Earp as the Left side? Promising.

  25. I think Lankinen has earned the right to get right back in there on Saturday and make up for a game he knows he could have played better in

    I know it’s technically a competition with the goalies but Lank has been the biggest reason why the Hawks have been winning games lately – gotta pay him that respect IMO and it’s important not only for him to come right back but for the Hawks to evaluate how he handles adversity and for the players to see how he responds

  26. Wrap – good point on the Beaudin turnover. The narrative would have changed from Boqvist to Rockford to Boqvist to Indy.

    But, looking looking for positive nuggets out of an explosion of thoughts – teaching moments. The Beaudin turnover is a teaching moment. Undoubtedly he immediately knew he made a mistake but the coaches can use that play to not only enforce what he already knows – don’t try to skate through players, especially at your own blueline – but they can also run the tape and show him better plays he could have made. I have no doubt JC and staff will do just that and Beaudin will learn from it.

    One of the challenges JC faces in constructing/adjusting the line combos is how to bring out the best in each player by putting him in the best situation for him – all within the team concept meaning everyone can’t play on Kane’s line. DCat is probably the only forward who doesn’t “need” to play with Kane to be effective, but Kane makes other players better than they would be without him. JC’s lineup challenge is how to get the players who don’t play with Kane to be successful. Kubalik is a perfect case in point. He’s scored 10 of his 12 points on the PP – which is great, but he needs to find a way to score 5v5. His best position is RW so he can’t play to his strength if he were to play LW on Kane’s line. Last season he had a lot of success playing with Toews but that’s not an option. So … what to do? I don’t know but I hope JC figures something out because he needs to score more than 2 even strength points in 15 games.

  27. Questions I have:

    1. The Blackhawks are playing better than anyone predicted. Why?
    2. Is it because of Colliton, or in spite of him?
    3. If it is because of Colliton, were some of the Queennville veterans, who are no longer around, stifling his progress?
    4. Is it because his ‘Man-and-a-Half’ system actually works in the NHL? Is it because of his rolling 4 lines?
    5. If it is in spite of Colliton, who really deserves credit? March Crawford?
    6. Is their current success sustainable?
    7. Can they actually keep getting over 30% of their goals coming on the PP? Is that good or bad?
    8. Can Kane and D-Cat continue playing so many minutes? Will that work in the playoffs?
    9. Can Lankinen keep playing as well as he has for the rest of the year?
    10. Who has played his last game for the Blackhawks: Seabrook? Toews? Shaw?

    I have no answers because I have no facts.

  28. John Galt – good questions

    I don’t think any team would play a well structured team approach without a coach who knows what they’re doing so I believe JC deserves his share of the credit for instilling a team first structure and approach and I don’t think Crawford is pulling the strings behind the scene – his input is very valuable but my sense is that JC runs the show

    It’s very interesting of course that JC has accomplished this without Toews and Seabrook in the line up – the two biggest leaders on the team – coincidence?

    I never thought Toews would be one to undermine his coach but without being there it’s impossible to know – maybe he did – however Seabrook probably did by sulking over his healthy scratches

    If Toews comes back I hope he continues the buy in that we’re seeing from Keith and Kane – Kane trying on the D end speaks as well as anything to JC’s influence – no way Kane does that left to his own devices

    Lankinen is going to have bumps like last night – he’s probably not the 2nd best goalie in the league behind Vasilevsky which is what the numbers suggest right now but I think he’s the real deal and will continue to be a positive story all year long and may win the Calder – he’s technically sound and is confident in himself

    Any questions about the playoffs are purely hypothetical – I don’t believe they’ll get there but if they do they are going to see a lot more of the type of hockey CBL threw at them late in the third which they can not yet handle

    My gut feeling is Toews will be back to play at some point – likely not until next season but that 7 and 65 are done with the Hawks

  29. A clunker was bound to happen.

    I am anxious to see how Lankinen responds to this game. He seemed a little shellshocked by the end of the night, will he bounce back? I hope he shows resiliency in his next outing (which better be the next game…)

    This game made me more excited about the young defenseman than I have been in a long time. Clearly the kids are not a finished product but you can start to see the diamond sparkling under the rough.

    Regarding Beaudins turnover. He did not compound that mistake by letting it affect his game. A few minutes after that gaff, he made a very aggressive play to occupy the space inexplicably vacated by the Columbus defense to get to the net and collect the pass/rebound off the wall to score a very nice goal. That he made the turnover is not in and of itself noteworthy, he is a rookie, he is supposed to make mistakes. How he responded, in game, on almost his very next shift was what impressed me.

    The loss of Murphy was palpable last night. He clearly makes this defense better with his presence. But so what? It seems like we are hanging on the Hawks almost winning games vs them almost losing them. I would rather see the Hawks almost win a game and lose (like last night) but have the kids make noticeable improvements to their collective game than almost lose a game (like they have been…) and have the kid blue liners only getting 14 minutes of ice time a night.

    Honestly right now I want to see these kids make mistakes and make a lot of them. Because they will never learn from them if they are not afforded the opportunity to make them. But Colliton can’t play an unproven rookie (albeit ones with lots of potential) over an established productive player. He can’t tell his team to work hard and play right and then bench a player who is doing that in favor of an inferior player who is not at the same level of experience. The team would stop “buying in” to what the coach is saying.

    @Tab asked the question in an article recently if it is time for the Hawks to make a trade, and in this posters mind, the answer is most decidedly, YES.

    It’s time for Bowman to make the call and say the kids are ready. If the Hawks brought back either Crow or Lehner, Lankinen would still be languishing in the minors waiting for his shot. It is time for the Hawks to make room for the kids to show us what they can do.

    Boqvist will soon be recovered from Covid, Beaudin is progressing almost daily, Mitchell is thriving and Kalynuck is going to force their hand with how he has been playing in Rockford. Bowman has to make room for the kids to play soon. As long as there are more established more productive players on the roster, Collitons hands are tied when it comes to distributing ice time. Bowman has to make the call and find a way to make roster space for the kids to play.

  30. wrap

    you are way off base with your boqvist/beaudin comment.

    boqvist has played 47 games and beaudin 8. doesn’t make beaudin’s misplay last night less egregious, but the same mistake 47 games in would be atrocious.

    what might be a more accurate statement is that beaudin, in 8 games, has looked at least as good as boqvist has in 47 games and arguably better.

  31. Most likely a high percentage of goals scored in the NHL have some element of poor defensive play that led to the goal being scored. Hawks fans will lament defensive lapses that led to Columbus not only scoring 6 goals but also allowing 43 shots on net. But, Columbus can do the same. Their d-zone coverage was horrible on the Mitchell and Beaudin goals and a better defensive effort could have prevented the Suter goal too.

    The difference between the team’s defensive efforts last night that I’ll hang my hat on is Columbus is mostly a veteran team who has been there and been playing sound defense for a very long time whereas the Hawks’ lineup is filled with young players still in the early stages of learning how to play in the NHL. Yes – that’s an excuse but it seems like a valid excuse to me.

    I felt conflicted after the game because my heart wanted them to win while my head said no – we don’t want more points in the standings. The primary objective for this season is still the same – develop the future core group. On that, my heart and head are in total agreement – things are proceeding very nicely in meeting that objective.

  32. @Hawks29. Respectfully, I don’t agree with your assessment of Boqvist -vs- Beaudin.

    If you are going to make a comparison of Boqvist and Beaudin you have to consider their age in their NHL debut. I think Beaudin looks a lot better in his first 8 games than Boqvist may have in his first 47 because Beaudin was 21 when he debuted and Boqvist was 19 when he did. Boqvist is a year younger and not as physically mature as Beaudin is.

    There is no way Beaudin was ready to perform like Boqvist did when Beaudin was 19 or else the Hawks would have called him up instead of Boqvist…

    The problem with Boqvist is that people want him to be a 24 year old finished product and he is not, and people are losing patience… With a 20 year old… Who made his NHL debut at 19… Sheesh.

    Beaudin looks more NHL ready than Boqvist because he is a year older, physically more mature and doesn’t have enough games under his belt to have his flaws exposed. A couple more games where Beaudin makes a bad play and see how long the honeymoon lasts…

    Personally, I don’t see why this has to be a one -vs- the other situation. The Hawks will be better if both succeed. And I think (Hope) that they both can. But they won’t develop at the same rate. Period. Boqvist is younger and will need more time to get there, so be patient, it’s not like the Hawks are full of great talent on the blue line. give them both time to get there, the Hawks aren’t winning anything this year anyway.

  33. Miroslav – great post. Couldn’t agree more. I think you’re spot on regarding trading a veteran d-man as soon as possible – not so much to get something in return but more to open up more ice time for the young guys. An addition by subtraction thing.

    It seems fairly obvious the d-man to be traded is deHaan. First he is LD so that works better from the LD/RD perspective, but also he is not going to be part of the future core group whereas Zadorov has a chance to be in the Hawks long range plans. If not deHaan, than I’m not sure if I would prefer Murphy or Zadorov to be traded … just trade deHaan and then we don’t need to worry about “plan-B”.

  34. Noonan: I made the comment about DeCat needing either Strome or Kane or maybe both. I was not trying to denigrate Debrincat’s growth at all, especially his defensive efforts. My observation, (without taking time to check statistics) is that it seems that the majority of his points are due to feeds from or to either Strome or Kane. I don’t personally recall many instances of other goals coming due to feeds between DeCat with another player.

    So, my intent was not to criticize Debrincat, but to say why I wouldn’t trade Strome at this stage as seemed to be where some posts were going.

  35. Fans usually aren’t clued into little nagging injuries that aren’t serious to keep him from playing but do affect his playing ability. I’m wondering if there is something like that bothering Strome because he was doing much better taking faceoffs early in the season and has now regressed to about as bad as we’ve seen from him in the past. His overall game was noticeably better in the first 2-3 weeks than it has been lately too. Maybe it’s nothing more than the ebb and flow of a season – just something to keep an eye on.

  36. Could bring back Rundy and blame everything on him that way these guys have less pressure on them while learning. Better to get burned now and keep hungry and still be hingry once youve learned the league and are a better player yourself and are in the area of a couple yrs before sstarting your prime yrs.

    Then to have too much success now/early on and do shortcuts/or ‘have it too easy’ and not really learn/get it.

    Once we get full young wave established and we are ready to roll and then add ufas to fill roster to the max/brim.

    I want hungryness and nonstop relentlessness like a wave that doesnt stop. Tsunami.

    In two yrs from now. Here come the Hawks!

  37. Miro – well said

    My comment was made to point out the over reaction that would have surely occurred had Boquist coughed up the puck like Beaudin and that people get stuck on their own personal agenda and look for things to affirm it

    Boquist for whatever reason – probably because he’s not Bobby Orr or even close or because Stan drafted him instead of legendary HOFer in the making Evan Bouchard – gets every mistake hyper criticized whereas I don’t reacall one negative comment about Beaudin’s turnover on this board

    If that had been Boquist’s turnover it would have been all over this board – so if people are willing to patient with Beaudin (who as Miroslav pointed out is a year older) why not be patient with Boquist?

    I remember (as we all do) Keith making similar turnovers and in playoff games no less – these things can happen even long after 47 games of an NHL career

  38. Trading older D guys- I am in, but you might get more at TDL- so that needs to be considered. So only makes sense now- if a true Cup hopeful is really Low on D guys now due to several injuries- and they want to get ahead of the Market.

    I have seen enough of Highmore
    Altybarmakyan- needs to learn the small NA ice/Hawks system- and he will be faster/stronger/more skilled version

    Strome needs Cat or Kane to look good- Not the other way around

    Lanks- let up 1 real softie- others were snipes/ or odd bounces- He shouldn’t be that shaken

  39. Miroslav right on, the one player vs the other shouldn’t even be in the conversation. Agree somebody ready and playing in Nhl at 19 is an accomplishment that should be congratulated as few players achieve that.

    Also hope that early success this season as good a character builder as it is, doesn’t change Bowmans aporoach to trade deadline and thoughts of who should be moved. There is still alot of transition ahead for this young team yet in next year or 2.

  40. Don’t worry Morrison. We don’t need Runblad or Gus back on the Hawks. Eventually the haters will be back to blame JC and Bowman for each loss, magically reappearing with their IDs that allow them to be of a different voice than the one they currently use to post. It’s as predictable as the outcome of political or religious conversations at Christmas dinner.

  41. Uncle Bill I was just re-writing the quote–You exactly said he needs one or both of them to be successful. To me that is putting him down. (IMO)
    I think any team could use him which makes him valuable independent of those two players.

    I do agree and always have said Strome shouldn’t be traded. And I do agree that they help each other, just like 12 helps 88 pile up points.

  42. This is where Bowman gets full credit and a A+ by getting those ufa players that are NHL seasoned and provode a base for the 20 dressed lineup so the young wave players can ‘play’ if we do not have that/and thats without 20 50 77 19 then the young players are chasing other temas the whole game/every game.

    This allows the young players to be able to play and learn the right way.

    EBONYRAPTOR
    February 12, 2021 at 10:35 am
    One of the challenges JC faces in constructing/adjusting the line combos is how to bring out the best in each player by putting him in the best situation for him – all within the team concept meaning everyone can’t play on Kane’s line. DCat is probably the only forward who doesn’t “need” to play with Kane to be effective, but Kane makes other players better than they would be without him. JC’s lineup challenge is how to get the players who don’t play with Kane to be successful. Kubalik is a perfect case in point. He’s scored 10 of his 12 points on the PP – which is great, but he needs to find a way to score 5v5. His best position is RW so he can’t play to his strength if he were to play LW on Kane’s line. Last season he had a lot of success playing with Toews but that’s not an option. So … what to do? I don’t know but I hope JC figures something out because he needs to score more than 2 even strength points in 15 games.

  43. Yea 65 plays more games now/this yr or so then 7 65 are retire like 50 because 7 would be playinglike 65 is this yr if he could so must be banged up/just not ready yet though same kind of thing though thats good for those guys like the Crow.

    WRAPAROUND
    February 12, 2021 at 11:16 am
    My gut feeling is Toews will be back to play at some point – likely not until next season but that 7 and 65 are done with the Hawks

  44. Miro, this is what I am talking about exactly.

    The loss of Murphy was palpable last night. He clearly makes this defense better with his presence. But so what? It seems like we are hanging on the Hawks almost winning games vs them almost losing them. I would rather see the Hawks almost win a game and lose (like last night) but have the kids make noticeable improvements to their collective game than almost lose a game (like they have been…) and have the kid blue liners only getting 14 minutes of ice time a night.

    Honestly right now I want to see these kids make mistakes and make a lot of them. Because they will never learn from them if they are not afforded the opportunity to make them. But Colliton can’t play an unproven rookie (albeit ones with lots of potential) over an established productive player. He can’t tell his team to work hard and play right and then bench a player who is doing that in favor of an inferior player who is not at the same level of experience. The team would stop “buying in” to what the coach is saying.

  45. The problem is that Boqvist does not skate well enough to elude hits and can’t defend himself.I don’t think the Hawks have the luxury of much more patience with him going on Concussion #3 now.My opinion is that he will fail if he is forced to develop his body and skating at the NHL level.Maybe with the 7 D Man rotation he can be inserted in offensive zone and 2 D Man powerplay situations.Wr will see in the next couple of weeks I guess.

  46. To all those that believe Boqvist just needs more time. He younger he’ll make mistakes blah,blah,blah. Think about this. Who did they get rid of to make way for this kid? The Joker. Q played the Joker and gave him space. JC took over and sent him to the Rock. They get Boqvist and the Joker gets traded. How old was the Joker? Hmm? Stop trying to compare Boqvist to Beaudin and take the argument to who is better Boqvist or the Joker.

    Now if you want to trade someone trade the one you have no clue about. Lucas Carlsson. This kid has no offensive ability which is what we need on this defense. JC is so hard up for defensemen on the right side he uses a rookie LHD to fill that side. This kid has to suck because I can’t recall any coach on any team in the over 50+ years I’ve been following hockey that ever brought up a rookie defenseman and have him begin their NHL journey not playing their natural position.

    Carlsson can only play defense and clearly not good at all or maybe the coach would let him play his position but he’s best severed as a pylon on this team as a somewhat stop gap till the next offensive defenseman Stan drafts. He can probably fetch at least another small forward.

  47. JG – some very good questions. Although you are correct that we don’t have the facts it is hard to see Seabrook back as a Hawk. He looks like he will miss the full year on a rebuilding team with a bit of a logjam of d-men. I just can’t see a 36 year old that hasn’t played in two years earning a spot next year. I feel horrible for Seabs but the reality is staring us right in the face.

    Wrap – Lankinen has been amazing but I think internal competition is key to the early season success. I therefore believe it is important for Subban to be in the net Saturday just like Johnson or Wallmark should be in for Highmore. Subban was very good in his last two starts yet didn’t get two in a row. If he sees Lankinen get the net on Saturday after a mediocre effort I think that sends a poor message.

  48. So now the game is to compare Boqvist with Jokiharju and supposedly come away convinced Joki is the superior player. Count me not convinced. Certainly Joki isn’t better offensively: Joki 0.24ppg vs Boqvist 0.34ppg. Defensively – maybe a little at this point but AGAIN there is an age difference right when 1 year of development can make a huge difference. Joki has played 1 full season more in the NHL than Boqvist has.

    Boqvist getting the “Teuvo treatment” big time. The same stuff was said about Teuvo at the same point in his career, probably by the same Hawks fans.

  49. ER – exactly right about the people who piled on Teuvo and they’re probably also the same people who dragged Stan over hot coals for picking another small soft D man in Beaudin when he could have picked all world Joe Veleno but now they’re praising Beaudin (although not Stan) now that it is becoming clear that Beaudin was a good pick

  50. Not talking about how good each young D amn is/going to be think when these guys say the one yr age younger thing is they mean not playin games in NHL at 19 thing they mean BoQ was a one yr younger then his draft class.

  51. You can’t win every game and we’re certainly fortunate that they’ve accomplished what they’ve accomplished so far. I was not very optimistic at the start of the season. I’m still skeptical but the kids are fun to watch and coach colliton is still on my the jury is out opinion. If they continue to hustle and skate the way they’ve been we could be in for some excitement this season all be it a shortened one. Cheers!

  52. Speaking of Beau last yr/I tinhk people said he didnt look good in AHL and had a not good yr so I was not liking that and thought crap thats two of the four Horsemen that are bust/traded now wtf do we do. Here we are a yr later and Beau is good so I like that upward excitement/could have done without the bad not doing ood last yr thing.

    Not everyones right about each prospect.

    I donot know for real have always thought though/believed in the four Horsemen and not so much in sikurs nylander other/nothing agasin them and route for every guy.

  53. I like the number rating of which ever players since I donot get to watch every game and even though a different person ratings are different then whoevers others and I understand that reading the same thing too much like when someone posts draft ranking a ‘little’ too often it good to see/know.

    Every person have there mojo.

  54. @morrison and @wraparound..exactly..if we based whether Beaudin was a ”bust” or not based on his first AHL season, we would have given up on a defenseman who looks destined for top four min and pp time..amazing what a full AHL season and a full offseason spent getting stronger can do for a player..

    And last season, there were a whole lot of ”trade Cat, he’ll never be the type of player you can win playoff games with because of his stature”..and yet, this year, he looks like one our best two way forwards and he just turned 23 years old.

    The point is this: giving up on 20-24 year old players who have barely scratched the surface (or who have barely played in the NHL) is not a smart strategy. Remember the above two examples before talking about Boqvist being a ”bust” or Strome being a ”bust”..now granted, Strome does need to show more. He’s been in the league for awhile now and he doesn’t always play very ”big” for a 6’3” 200 pound centerman. But at 3 mil for this season and next, he certainly isn’t hurting the team capwise (hell, we paid Kruger more on his last contract). The Hawks have another year and a half to see if he turns the corner. Anyhoo, I’m still high on Stome, he just needs to be more engaged every game. Maybe with time, he’ll develop that consistency. But there’s no reason to move ANY of our young players right now. Just continue to give them minutes and evaluate.

    Even Patrick Sharp didn’t get a full season under his belt until he was 25 years old and he wasn’t a consistent scoring threat until he was 26. Not every player is immediately at their ceiling by 22. It’s foolish to look at the individual players on this roster who are younger and just assume that we’ll never be able to win with them. Too narrow sighted. Plus, you win as a team. We’re looking to collect the best 23 man roster that we can, not the players with the best individual stats. Meaning, even if Kubalik ends up being a little one dimensional, well, the goal is still to score more than your opponent every game and Kubalik can definitely score at the NHL level. He can still be an asset to this Hawks team in 3-4 years even if he doesn’t become a player who can drive a line on his own. Give him a 200 ft center like Toews and he’ll bury buscuits all day.

  55. @nameless and @ timw..remind me how much time is needed to evaluate a defenseman at the NHL level? Ignore what pick and in what round the player was drafted in..just focus on the player. So far, Jokiharju has played 114 NHL games..Boqvist has played 47..that’s primarily due to the fact that Jokiharju is 14 months older. Regardless, at what cutoff do you both determine that you’ve seen enough out of a defenseman?? My point is this: no one has any idea if Jokiharju is better than Boqvist..they’re both just beginning their NHL careers..but in the interest of comparing apples to apples, maybe give Boqvist another 67 games or so before writing him off..and maybe give Jokiharju another year or two before annointing him as the ”top four defenseman that got away”..so far, his career doesn’t indicate that we’re missing out on much.

    PS-Jokiharju wasn’t traded because the Hawks drafted Boqvist..they traded Jokiharju because they had recently drafted Boqvist, Mitchell, Beaudin, Vlasic,and Krys..they had an entire volume of defensemen they felt could at least one day replicate, if not exceed, Jokiharju’s production. Two months later, they added Regula to that mix. So they moved Jokiharju to take a chance on Nylander, since our winger depth wasn’t as strong. Now, in hindsight, maybe that wasn’t a great trade. But at the time, no one knew Kubalik would score 30 goals. And no one knew Suter and Kurashev would provide such positive returns so quickly. Our winger depth looks better than it did a year and a half ago. Personally, I still don’t mind the trade since I think a healthy Nylander has a higher ceiling than Jokiharju, but, until Nylander is healthy and performing, that’s just my opinion.

  56. The thing with Nylander is it appears what is holding him back from being as good as he can be resides either between his ears or in the middle of his chest. He has the physical tools but for some unknown reason hasn’t figured out how to unlock them on a consistent basis. Maybe he will or maybe he never will. He has to want it bad enough to make it happen. I’m hoping this time away from the game stokes a fire in his belly to not let his NHL dream slip away. It would be like hitting the draft lottery if Nylander were to figure it all out.

  57. Stape – that might be true but I’ve never seen anything to verify that. That’s conjecture just like the other narrative that was circulating before he was traded which had something to do with Joki’s father budding into the way the coaches were handling his son’s -playing time. So whether he was traded because JC didn’t like him or because Joki and/or his father stuck their nose where it didn’t belong or because the Hawks thought the had better d-men prospects in the system and wanted to take a chance on Nylander or because something entirely different – who cares – he’s gone and he ain’t exactly lighting the league on fire in Buffalo.

  58. This is the way.

    Plus, you win as a team. We’re looking to collect the best 23 man roster that we can, not the players with the best individual stats.

  59. This is great to see. Alex Vlasic. First star tonight in BU win over Vermont. Lone goal as well. Development on track.

    Ryan Kennedy
    @THNRyanKennedy
    ·
    2h
    Watching BU-Vermont online right now and Alex Vlasic (CHI) is just a Monster for the Terriers. Scored the opening goal, but he does so many good things overall too

  60. Whatever happened/why donot F ing trade any prospect now wait until were farther to do stuff.

    No more coach favorites/blackballs to any prospect. Q and C had those things happen.

  61. Slayer,I have to admit that even beginning to evaluate Boqvist is very unique to me.He was billed as this fabulous skater who had speed to burn.I just have very rarely seen someone who has such a crazy leg skating stride and has few defensive positioning instincts.He has a nice set of hands and a knack for getting his shot through but he lacks the basics that are usually a prerequisite for being an NHL Defenseman.I hope I am totally wrong and the kid matures into a great D Man.

  62. TimW – whatever prospect evaluator reported Boqvist had “speed to burn” – you should remove them from your “must read list” because they obviously never watched him play. He has very good agility and able to use that with stick handling and puck control to go along with plus wrist shot and passing to be a very good offensive player – but he’s not a Makar or Q.Hughes speed demon.

  63. @craig..good news regarding Vlasic and nice to see him finding the back of the net..I think that’s his third or fourth goal of the year after not scoring at all last year..already a good improvement over his first year at BU..it’ll be fun to watch him develop over the next couple of years..not a believer at all in the analysts who say at best, he’s got a third pairing ceiling..I can easily see him playing on a second pairing as a 18-19 min a night dman if it all comes together for him..he’s got the frame to add 20-25 pounds and it shouldn’t hurt his mobility at all..a tantalizing prospect if his game continues to mature.

    @ebonyraptor..correct regarding Nylander..he’s got all of the physical attributes to be a successful, goal scoring winger at the NHL level..but fighting for 50/50 pucks, forechecking, making good reads when the puck is on your stick, etc..you either have a desire to get better at the nuances of the game or you don’t..if you don’t, you become Brandon Pirri (who will always get a minimum salary look because he does one thing well, but won’t play a top six role). Here’s hoping when Nylander is healthy, he’ll be motivated by the much younger locker room he’ll be coming back into..maybe seeing more players around his age be successful by playing a 200 ft game will spark a desire in him to do the same.

  64. Craig, good update on Vlassic, wonder when he is considering signing his elc, has been no talk about him signing so maybe play another year at Bu first before signing, has 2 years of Ncaa eligibility left after this season.

    If Suter between Cat and Kane turns into a viable long term option. Just think of next year, with that line, Dach centering a line, Toews with a super 4th line/Matchup type line and Strome to center another skilled line. With wingers like Kubalik, Kurashev, Nylander, Hagel possibly Reichel at some point and others in Rfd. now who be fighting for a spot with returning players.

  65. When Nylander comes back it should be the perfect situation for him to really start putting it together

    There’ll be lots of young guys as Slayer said modeling a committed hard working game – even Kane hopefully will still be playing defense

    Plus some of those young hungry players will be competition for Nylander – younger guys who could take his job

    With those two factors motivating him if he doesn’t rise to the challenge next season maybe it’ll be time to move on from him

  66. I’m going to ask a question, which on the surface is ridiculous to even consider, but here it is:

    Do we even want Toews to come back this season?

    Now, hold on before you report me to the funny farm, note the last two words in the question – “this season” – not “ever”. Consider the uniqueness of this season where the priority is young player development instead of the normal modus operandi of winning at all costs. Would inserting Toews back into the lineup facilitate young player development? Would his presence on the ice and in the locker room be a net gain or would less TOI for young players be a net loss?

    I don’t know the answer – just stirring the pot.

  67. EB I think that is entirely Toews call, if he feels ready to come back and play he will regardless of anything else.

  68. Another thing I like about Vlassic is we drafted him in 1st half of 2nd round and we have got lots of gems from the frontside of 2nd rounds in last decade. Its the 2nd half/backside of 2nd rounds we havnt drafted anyone good. Maybe one and thats Mitch and same for frontside only one bad player in Clendening.

    Otherwise we find gems in the frontside od 2nd rounds. 20 12 to name a few.

  69. Hagel !
    Just finish reading an article from the kid by the « « Chicago Sun Time . » »
    The ethics of the kid is really what the Hawks need and it’s a player that we will need in the future. ChrisKunitz Is part of is développement And JC and Bowman are really high on the kid .I really think we where lucky to get him for free …another good move from Stan ..but of course we rarely hear about the good move he did .
    Talking of good move by Stan Murphy,, he is really the best Dman we have now and we will see how much he is missed in the next few games. Hope to see him back soon because the kids need him .

  70. Ian, of course it’s Toews’ call and if he can and wants to – then the question is moot. But I posed the question as a hypothetical – would the mission of this season be better served with Toews return or his continued absence?

  71. Good is Tazer plays so we know hes ok. Otherwise no to 77 19 its the perfect yr/season to take off. Only 55 games and were in transition and high end draft player.

  72. @ER you summed it up perfectly……to be a very good offensive player. Problem with that is Boqvist is a defensive player.

    I get you are high on this kid so why aren’t you pointing your anger at management for how they are trying to develop him? This kid just got out of his pull-ups as people keep pointing out with no AHL experience yet have him playing on the first pairing. Not on lower pairings to kinda grasp things but as a #2 D man. He is not a #2 D man and may never be that. Does he kill penalties? No.

    He’s not being developed correctly and his flaws are being demonstrated every game. Is it his fault? No. Do poster have the right to point out those flaws? Yes. That goes hand in hand with how they are developing him. And it’s why many feel a little time in Rockford would help his development more. Development in the NHL is fine but not as a # 2 D man as is the case now.

  73. EB, there is something to be said for Toews getting used to get used to playing with these youngsters as he will playing with some of them as linemates, plus they will be teammates for him to show leadership too as well. All good either way to me.

  74. @hawks2010 let’s hope Murphy gets back soon. Can’t keep plugging that hole with LHD rookies on the right side. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Boqvist in tonight because Mitchell and Bowey as the only RHD in the lineup. One other thing that bothers me about all of this is that JC keeps putting Beaudin,Zadorov and Carlsson to fill the right side but not deHaan who has more experience in the league and with this system. And he’s a – 8 to boot.

  75. Nameless – Boquist did play for a while in the Ahl so it’s not accurate to say he has no Ahl experience

  76. Nameless
    You mention deHaan could play his off-side because of experience. Can’t the same be said for the first ballot future HOF defenseman wearing #2?

    He would appear to be even more qualified.

  77. Nameless, I’m not pointing anger anywhere because I’m not angry. I’m not angry with management for screwing up Boqvist’s development because I have no evidence that proves they are. Boqvist isn’t even close to being a finished product and probably won’t be for at least a couple years, if he even ever gets there. But regardless the opinions of impatient internet experts, he should and hopefully will be given ample time to (hopefully) become a key piece of the future core group. If the best way to develop him is to keep him in Chicago or send him to Rockford – I trust the real life experts to make the proper call and I will be fine with it either way.

    Also – not sure why you asked about trading Toews because I didn’t say anything about trading Toews. I simply asked a hypothetical question – whether or not it would be better for young player development if Toews were to come back this season, all thing considered.

  78. Ian, yep – getting used to his teammates and them getting used to him is a plus on the “come back” side of the ledger. Another plus would be proper player slotting where Suter really isn’t a #1C, at least not yet, so with Toews reclaiming his #1C spot, is slot Suter into a more appropriate role for him and probably has a domino effect with other players as well.

    On the negative side of the ledger, Toews 18+ mins TOI would be 18+ fewer mins for other players. Now maybe that would be good if it results in Kane not being overused, but in general it will probably result in fewer mins for some of the young forwards that need the development time. Also, adding a new ingredient into the stew that is presently pretty tasty comes with some risk.

  79. Not going to get into Bowman and Tallon and ohh my shit. Just wanted to say Bowman had made very important moves that were huge after not a good move. I look at the Buckaroo/Nylander and nomatter who likesdoesnt liek that I see that Bowmen then gets Suter so to me Suter makes up for anything from that trade.

    Everytime Bowman makes a bad move he makes ups for it that way/thise ways like getting these good players from Euro. Overall like someone just said its about gathering the most ideal 23man roster that has a bulk of it young wave. Then when we see what we got add the right ufa players like 11 82 81 27 32 other 26 91 80 kind of players.

    And then its on.

  80. People like donot like which ever prospects more less. I have always from the start thought about these players Kurachev Mitch Barratt.

    Bad intentions.

  81. EB just having Toews back healthy playing like himself and ready to go next year, not a shadow hanging over the off season would be a big relief to most people. Don’t see Toews taking Suters spot between Cat and Kane if comes back, although Strome a possibility and Toews with Kubalik and Janmark, or someone else if he’s moved or something along that lines.

  82. @ER not sure why you wouldn’t be angry. Boqvist is not a # 2 defenseman. Nor is Mitchell yet that is where JC has them slotted. Teams just don’t develop defensemen that way or they never did. Guess I need to readjust my thinking to today’s hockey as they are no longer defensemen but rather forwards who can skate backwards.

    A defensemans best asset should be how good he plays defense not how good he plays as a forward. Otherwise just teach a good forward how to skate backwards and call him a defenseman. Yes they need time to work out the kinks but I don’t believe making them the # 2 D man is the best answer.

    And sorry about the trade Toews but I wouldn’t mind. First is because of the hush hush of it all. It’s not like he is seeing normal doctors like you and I he is seeing top notch doctors and specialists who by now should know something whether serious or not and let the fans know. Second it’s been well documented that he was unhappy with the direction of this team. Just seems a bit strange how it becomes a coincidence at this time and no answers.

    It’s been nice chatting again. I did leave a subliminal message for you in an earlier post. Maybe you’ll get it maybe you won’t. Been awhile.

  83. Nameless, If you ordered dinner in a restaurant, would you proclaim 2 minutes later that the dinner is going to suck because it’s not sitting on the table in front of you yet? Of course not because you know it takes the chef time to prepare and cook the meal and you wouldn’t expect the the meal to be served before it’s properly prepared and cooked. Boqvist is an unprepared and uncooked meal that is going to take time before it’s complete and even though you are impatient doesn’t mean he will be ready any sooner than being impatient would mean your meal is ready sooner.

  84. Toews with Kubalik and Janmark

    I would see this next yr since its like the 20 19 8 line that was good.

  85. The problem is that Boqvist is not that prime piece of meat that is ready for preparation.If both your skating and size/physicality is not in place you are not ready to be molded into a quality Defenseman.

  86. Tim W
    Thanks…that’s a really good news
    Jonhson has a lot of energy Like to disturb , hits, and is really the guy we need now .
    Let see how Lank will answer to the pressure .
    Beaudin and Mitchell needs to be a bit more focus on their defensive game .
    Toews should take his time to be at is best and eager to come back to play the JC style of game and be the leader he was the first 7-8 years …
    Still love the guy but he need to concentrate on what he does best …playing hockey
    He is not a coach

  87. TimW – not sure where this Boqvist is a poor skater narrative started but it’s not true. He’s not Erik Karlsson but he skates just fine and more importantly he makes plays with his agility an stick handling. I keep using Teuvo as a comparison because the criticisms of Teuvo were the same criticisms directed at Boqvist now. Many Hawks couldn’t wait to lead the parade in proclaiming Teuvo was playing afraid and was not NHL caliber. Same thing going on now with Boqvist.

  88. To the Boqvist and Nylander doubters…just remember, when Stan traded Danault in 2016, he had 10 pts in 51 games as a 22 year old and he was playing with a team that had just won the Stanley Cup a year ago. When Stan traded Teuvo, he also was playing on a Stanley Cup winning team from a year ago. He had 35 pts in 78 games as a 21 year old..but he was thought of as weak and lacking the toughness needed to win in the playoffs..ironically, the reason Stan had to include Teuvo in any trade is because he overpaid the exact type of player no one thought Teuvo would develop into. Stan gave a 23 point forward 16 mil over 4 years because he had size, physicality, and produced in the playoffs..he gave him that contract almost eight years ago. Inflation alone shows how much of an overpay it was. Now, Stan has hopefully learned from his mistakes. He won’t be signing Janmark this offseason(the very reason he was signed to a one year deal should be so he can be flipped at the deadline if he plays well). Instead, he’ll keep cap space available so in the Summer heading into the 22-23 season, he can make decisions regarding his RFA’s which will include Kubalik, Strome, Dach, Boqvist, Kurashev, and Kalynuk..I believe he’ll keep cap space so he isn’t forced to do what he did in 2013..package a Kurashev, for instance, to get rid of a contract overpay (like Janmark) so he can extend Dach, Kubalik, etc..I think Stan is finally done chasing his own tail and the positive out of watching two of his draft picks develop into top six forwards is he should give plenty of time to the current young players on this roster to show what they have.

    All that being said, I would look to extend Suter this offseason..nothing wrong with locking up a player who should be part of this next core and I’m a huge fan of what I’ve seen so far. I don’t think he’s anywhere near his ceiling. If he gains about 10-12 pounds next offseason, he could be a Tyler Johnson type..

  89. ER-the people who are going to hate on Boqvist, will do just that and nothing anyone says will ever change their thinking. Hopefully in time he develops and that’s when they (hopefully) will re-adjust their thinking. if not, they can be right.

    He’s not a poor skater, many smarter than I have stated that-he does move without confidence which hopefully will change. Didn’t see that with London.

  90. Yeah Mo that would be an okay line for awhile this year, but Janmark is no Hossa and Toews isn’t in his prime anymore. That’s why i kinda hope Suter can center Cat and Kane long term and Dach can become top Center, with maybe Kubalik, Reichel or Kurashev or acquisition. Toews as a high end matchup center with Hagel and somebody. Then have lots of options for another line. Keep the defense progressing not rushing them this year or next and things be trending in right direction if goaltending is as good as we’re hoping now.

  91. Not picking/nit picky on any part of post just adding that 86 was traded because of salary cap. Danault was traded because and I really didnt like trading 24 we could have traded anything else and still got the same deal done. To not do what Bowman did in 2014 and not add anybody for extra depth/better depth. Which he was prob thinking shit if I added something in 2014 we prob win just because cant do that again/by not adding anything in 16 so he did the danault trade based on that.

    Which he was thinking at the tradeline in 16 that that yr we should be going for the 5th Cup in 7 yrs if he added in 14 so thats why.

    Other then 86/or it would have been someone else if not 86 the danaukt trade those two are the only players I wish we didnt do that with. Otherwise everything else/per say is good. Lik Suter maybe being a really good player!

  92. Interesting though for when about were really ready to roll 4 lines again 86 is a ufa? and Danault is a ufa? Caphits would be fair though these guys could be available like 82 81 were when they are in there prime yrs. Hmmmm.

  93. @ER haven’t been to a restaurant in over 12 years cuz I’m a pretty damn good cook and baker. Have a wife and kids to back that up sooooo…….when you take a raw piece of meat and throw it on the fire and continue to keep it on that fire it gets burned.

    I just don’t want to see him as the # 2 D man just yet. He’s not ready. Mitchell has looked a bit better there but he’s another that needs more development. Either way when Boqvist comes back he needs to be with Keith or Beaudin keep him away from deHaan. Hell keep Mitchell away from him also he was a – 8 before Boqvist got Covid but was even playing with Keith until that shit show the other night. He’ll I don’t want to see Carlsson across from him but he’s the best fit defensively at this time.

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