Sharks Beat Blackhawks In Chicago Home Opener

Remember when the Blackhawks had “fixed” their defense?

The San Jose Sharks came into the United Center 0-4-0 on the year. The Hawks were playing just their second game of the year after traveling back from their loss in Europe.

Both sides looked like they had bet the over.

Dominik Kubalik scored the first home goal of the 2019-20 season for Chicago at 5:07 into the first period.

Brandon Saad picked up the assist on the Kubalik goal.

San Jose answered with a Kevin Labanc power play goal to tie the game. Remember when special teams were supposed to be better?

Andrew Shaw took the lead back with his first of the season at 13:22 into the first. The United Center clearly never stopped loving Shawzer.

Patrick Marleau signed with the Sharks earlier this week and made his season debut Thursday night. With 17 seconds left in the first he scored his first of the year – a second power play goal in the period for the Sharks – to tie the game.

The Hawks out-shot the Sharks 15-11 in the first period but San Jose was 2-for-3 on the power play. The score was tied at one after one.

Take that script from the first period and copy it to the second. The only change: San Jose scored their two goals at even strength.

Shaw added his second of the night off a fabulous feed from Alex DeBrincat.

But San Jose answered 33 seconds later. Brent Burns tied the game.

Dylan Strome grabbed the lead back at 12:14 into the second, scoring his first of the season.

But… Marleau scored late in the period to tie the game. After 40 minutes of hockey both sides had scored four times and both netminders were exhausted. The Sharks out-shot the Hawks 12-7 in the second period; all four goals in the middle frame were scored at even strength.

One of the fatal flaws of the 2018-19 Blackhawks was getting dominated in the second period. Through two games’ second periods thus far, nothing has changed in the new year. There was no consistency in the lines and the chances weren’t good enough. Thankfully the Sharks were an equally flammable dumpster and the game was tied.

So would the teams alternate goals again in the third?

Nope. San Jose broke the pattern and took their first lead of the game when Barclay Goodrow scored at 4:47 into the third.

And Chicago didn’t get much pushback in the first 15 minutes of the third period. The Sharks were out-shooting the Blackhawks by a ridiculous margin (10-4 through 16 minutes of the third) – not a good look for a team that was chasing one in their home opener.

The final horn sounded and the scoreboard read 5-4 in favor of the visitors. Chicago allowed 34 shots on goal and blocked another 18 as a team.

The Alex Nylander experiment may be nearing the end of its honeymoon stage. He was stapled to the bench for most of the third period and didn’t generate offense at the rate many hoped he could after showing flashes of promise in the preseason. He’s starting to feel very… Stalberg-ish.

Chicago’s stars were no-shows for the home opener. Patrick Kane was credited with one assist and two shots on net in 20:25. Jonathan Toews won 14 of 23 faceoffs but was credited with only one shot on net in 20:15.

Calvin deHaan wasn’t ready yet but the Hawks are ready for him to replace Slater Koekkoek in the lineup. Koekkoek skated 14:50 and was the only defenseman in red to not play on the power play or penalty kill. Brent Seabrook led the blue line with four blocked shots and four hits.

Shaw had a nice night up front. He was credited with a team-high seven hits and five shots on net in 16:53. Kubalik had a team-leading six shots on net in the loss.

Corey Crawford took the loss. He stopped 29 of 34 in the game.

107 thoughts on “Sharks Beat Blackhawks In Chicago Home Opener

  1. Kampf looked like an NHL player for the first time — maybe ever — and what does the brilliant coach that Bowman found on a European scouting trip do? Start the line blender, as if the offense was the problem. Terrible.

    Penalty killing – the more things change the more they stay the same.

    Savard was fired four games into the ’08-09 season; no reason history can’t repeat itself in this instance. This coach is overmatched; you either have it or you don’t have it in any profession or line of business. This coach doesn’t have it.

    The Hawks’ talent is better than it looks and it’s performance. This is on the coach. Or on the person who hired the coach out of the blue.

  2. Forget about the Hawks roster. Colliton is the biggest obstacle the team has. Why he would break up the 3rd line after they were dominating every shift they had in the first period? I have serious doubts about his ability to coach at the NHL level.

  3. The 10 feet in front of our net. That’s the place to hang out if you are an opponent.

    Anyone on our team want to play there other than to clear the puck from behind the goalie?

    Ah yes, the Jets are next. The same defensive play Saturday and the Jets will blow past the over by themselves.

  4. Lehner likely starts Saturday maybe Dehaan plays, need more though. Lack of special team play needs to change. Not sure what lines will be but 8, 20 and 64 sparked the whole team, moving up Kubalik save for the breakaway chance seemed to deflate the team more than pick them up. Maybe try 20 and 8 with 19 and 88 with 12 and 17. Nylander could be Rfd bound if Dach ready, at least Perlini in for him if not.

  5. So frustrating…
    Why was that 3rd line broken up? They were absolutely dominating the first period! (Grumble, grumble).
    Many (most) of you here have much more hockey knowledge than I do, so can you shed some light on that please?

    As bad as the defense was, I really do like the Seabs-Maatta pairing.

  6. Why did Coliton break up the Kubalik, Kampf, Saad line? They were tremendous. I understand wanting to reward Kubalik who was playing well, but he wasn’t doing it alone. That whole line was smoking until he broke them up and the Kane, Toews, Kubalik line was not a powerhouse after that. That said, the Hawks still scored 4 goals. On a night when the puck was finding him, Kubalik missed an open net on a scrum and missed the net on a breakaway.

    Kane’s penalty was ridiculous and with the PK appearing to be about as effective as last year’s, the Hawks have to stay out of the box. Shaw had a pathetic penalty too, even if Burish didn’t mind it. At least the Sharks didn’t score.

    The push back in the third was minimal until they pulled Crawford. They looked like a motivated group in the last 90 seconds. Crawford has given up 9 in 2 games. How many are his fault? Hard to say, but there have a been a couple this year on which he didn’t look comfortable. We absolutely need to see Lehner next game.

    Gus looked clueless a couple times. It’s a shame the ref missed the high sticking call where he took one in the mug. Toews is off to a very slow start. He hasn’t even been dangerous, but it’s nice to see some faceoff wins.

    A frustrating loss.

  7. 100% agree Ice. Why would you break the third line up? To teach Nylander a lesson? At the cost of shifting momentum? Kubalik was less effective after the change.

    And Gus, he may as well be playing without a stick. Can’t play NHL level D. Can’t hit the net when he shoots from the point either.

  8. Dear Stefanie:

    A coach breaks up the lines when the offense isn’t producing. Tonight, the offense was producing, but the coach decided to break up the lines irrespective of same.

    This is how coaches get fired — or should have never been hired. I will say he wasn’t as ignorant tonight as the Dodgers’ manager last night.

  9. Sorry Deuce, I was typing and didn’t see your post before mine.
    Kubalik was really on fire, and then changed lines, and…*poof*! Gone.

  10. Wait. So first we were complaining about not giving Saad time with top 6 guys. Now we’re complaining that the line was broken up. Tough crowd.

  11. As Wrap pointed out in the previous thread the signs so far this year give cause for concern. Almost beaten at home by Bruins AHL team, crushed by the Caps, poor exhibition in Europe followed by two losses to start the season. The defense looks like 2018 mid season form and I continue to put a lot on the forwards. We seem to lose every board battle. We have also seen “bad” Gus so far who at best is a third pair defenseman. There are few easy games in the NHL anymore so we better get our act together quickly on the home stand. I have to believe JC is on a very short leash right now. On the bright side Kubalik has looked good in both games and Shaw still brings it every night.

  12. Thanks, Ice. I just wanted to confirm my eyes were not failing me.
    Ugh. Just…so…frustrating…. Like a broken record.

  13. I said that if we couldn’t “overcome” the return of a 40 year old Marleau then it would be a long season. I stand by that comment.

  14. The PK looks like last year’s, sooooo….I guess not working on the biggest reason you didn’t make the playoffs is not a priority ? If this keeps up, Colliton will be gone and Marc Crawford will be the new head Coach. Very disappointing game to say the least…..actually, very disappointing coaching too.

  15. I concur about breaking the 3rd line up. They were terrific. Saad and Kubalik together was exciting to watch. What the hell was Colliton thinking. What game was he watching. Glad we have Marc Crawford. I’d say bye to Colliton ASAP. Plus Nylander started out pretty good and seemed to lose confidence when he was dropped. Craw made some stops but he’s very average.

  16. JC claims Kubalik was moved to wake up 19 and 88. He wanted to get those guys effective offensively. I understand the move, but our problem is not with only scoring 4 for a game.

    I guess the Cubs needed another home run hitter to win this year too.

    I see JC’s comments to indicate we will have different lines Saturday. Likely 8 with 19 and 88, but I happen to agree with Ian and would like both 8 and 20 with 19 for the night. 88 goes back to work with Strome and Dcat. Perlini in and Nylander watches. Shaw to 3rd line with Kampf and Perlini.

  17. After attending tonight’s dumpster fire, I would really like my money back. I usually don’t say stuff like that, but tonight was a bad effort in front of an enthusiastic crowd really wanting more.
    In the post-game, the radio guys conceded some of the mistakes, but they also talked a lot about “the bad breaks” that didn’t go the Blackhawks’ way. How about coming out in the third period was absolutely zero effort to start, and absolutely no push back on what was being put on them by the Sharks.

    As my son said on the drive home, “It was nice that the Blackhawks decided to shoot heroin between the second and third periods”.

    It could be a long, long season. They’re better than this. It’s beyond me why they can’t show it.

  18. I am keeping track now.

    Thats 2 times in 2 games Shawzer has been hit or 12 in last game and Shaw hit the player back and every time the ref has let other team away with it and called Shaw.

    Need to ref evenly, call the 2 min agasint guy who cross checked 12 twice when on ground and 5min or at least 2 min for cross check to Shae face, nothing, then shaw get called for hitting guy back.

    Shaw and others need to hit anyone who hits them back every time were hit like that.

    Just because Shaw is a borderline played doesnt mean they should let other team away with it then call Shaw.

    Fukking a disgrace.

  19. Its funny most thought Maatta snd Seabs would be a disaster and that a 3rd line of 20 64 8 doesnt work.

    Didnt see game except for last 12 min of 3rd.

    We havnt looked good in any games, preseason scrimmages and two games now.

    Maybe a normal sch is what the team needs to wake up and get rolling.

  20. I totally agree with Silent Spot. The defensive play in and around the crease and inside the circles is problematic.

    Question: I thought Ryan Carpenter and Zack Smith were brought in for their penalty killing abilities. So far that’s a huge fail .

    The encouraging news is that Sharp, Burish and Konroyd were all beating the drums hard on the post game that this poor play in the Hawks zone better change fast because if they get behind in the standings again this year, they likely are not catching up. McDonough and Bowman need to feel that heat.

  21. If you only saw the last 12 minutes, how can you tell that Shaw didn’t deserve the penalty? Shaw got what he deserved. The hit he was retaliating for what a clean hit on Kane I think, and it was not penalized because sometimes in the game of hockey checking occurs.

    It was the schedule that cost us the game. Yeah, that’s it. Not the crappy defense or lack of pushback in the 3rd period. Or the inability to stop the other team while on a power play. Did you know that for San Jose, the 5-4 lead they took and won with was the first time all season – 5 games for them – that they have led IN ANY GAME? Scheduled really screwed with Philadelphia, didn’t it? Hint – take a look at their record.

    Maybe we deserved to lose the game. Nah….. Easier to make excuses and sound like whining, uninformed homers.

    Nylander got stapled to the bench because he forgot there was a player on San Jose he was supposed to be covering. That is why the score became 5-4. Don’t expect to see him on the ice Saturday night. He will figure it out if he wants to play in the NHL. Wakey wakey.

  22. Been on this case forever now, Bowman and this coach have no clue. How many goals does James Neil have now? 7? We are so light up front which makes it easier to play against in both zones. Getting out shot every game is not on the defence but the forwards. Why 92 plays ahead of 20 is beyond comprehension. Why this coach is in the NHL and let alone coaching the Hawks is dumb. 4%million for a backup who by the way was getting 25 shots against in Long Island. Here in chicago, the average is 40!

  23. One more thing. It might be time to end the charade about the Goaltending. Start Vezina Trophy Finalist Lehner and run with him for the next 3 or 4 games. Enough with the nostalgia for Crawford WITHIN the organization. M

  24. When you look at the Jets, Myers and Chariot left in fa, Trouba traded, Buff and Kulikov on leave and Morrisey and Ballileau on ir, still holding their own after defense wiped out, with Pionk and Dahlstrom only 2 dmen with Nhl experience. Hard to understand why playing defense continues to be so difficult for the Blackhawks, forwards too. Agree Craig, we talked about it previously need to pick it up in a hurry or season in jeopardy before they stop their underachieving and start playing to win.

  25. That one is on Colliton. The game changes completely after he breaks up the third line. Does Kubalik even get another shot on net afterwards? Such a bizarre and mind boggling decision. Even if he wasn’t enamoured with Nylander on the top line he has already shown that he could use Cags in that spot. So, why break up a line that was dominating? Isn’t chemistry what you hope a line develops? Put it back together and leave it alone. Good god….

  26. I think the reality of how hard it will be for the Hawks to make the playoffs is hitting home. It was hard to watch the defensive effort of this team, and although JCul is taking perhaps too much of the hit-he didn’t play a shift as I recall-this team has had lots of time to start to develop ‘what they want to do’ as a team and it just looks like the same old skilled players, like Kane, try to out do the sometimes constant mistakes and lack of physical play of this team.

    The way this team plays now it will get crushed should it be lucky enough to make the playoffs. Let’s see how they respond the next two games. On the positive they have another player in Kulabik, but Keith is showing his age and lack of help.

  27. Thought I was watching a replay from last year. This coach reminds me of Gerry Faust doesn’t have a clue!! Stan might be time to pull the trigger this team hasn’t played a solid game yet!!

  28. Did anyone see the For Rent sign in the front of our net? Crawford must of tripped over it a few times. It kept getting in the way of a Sharks player because there were no Hawks players to found there. They setup shop there all night.

  29. Sooo funny….2 games played ..some guys wants to kick out the coach …its like they lost 9-1 in first game and lost 8-0 against Sharks. Hahaha…
    Maybe we shoud Trade Kane , Toews and a first round in next year for Marleau or Neil ..
    OMG

  30. Hull. Not sure why I’ll ask. It’ll go unanswered.

    What would a realistic James NEAL trade have looked like?

  31. Hawks 20100……It’s not just that it’s only 2 games, it’s the fact we are still seeing the same crap from last year. Terrible defensively, crappy PK, same old mistakes but an offense that can score. With the changes made in the off-season and the adage that everyone will be on the same page with JC having a full training camp, we’re not seeing it. Yes it’s only 2 games….I agree, but when do we get to see the cohesiveness and the same mistakes stop. Yep, we still have to see what DeHann brings and maybe Dach will be a pleasant upgrade/surprise but this small sample size leaves the same old taste in your mouth after watching them lose to a somewhat crap team.

  32. Was offense the problem last night? 4 goals should get you a W….if your defense and goaltending is adequate. Gustafsson is absolutely dreadful on the back end. Koekkoek is any better, although he’ll occasionally be physical. Gustafsson’s ineptitude routinely makes Keith cover and pulls him out of position. What the hell is Gustafsson doing behind the San Jose net(multiple times) in 5on5? I’m sure that’s not coached.

    The Labanc PP goal. Helluva shot. But Crawford absolutely has to have that.

    People railed on JC for putting Saad on the third line. Then they rail him for breaking up the third line. After the 2nd period Nylander was on the ice for 7 shots against…1 for. Of course some lineup juggling is going to happen.

  33. Silent, because it happened at the same time. At least in the first game. I cant say for sure it happened in the 2nd game right after each other, the hits. The highlights csn Burrish Eddie showed after game, made it seem like it happened right after each other like in the first game.

    It doesnt matter what happened in other parts of the game. That other team get away with it and then call Shaw. If Shaw should or other teams player should het a penalty for something sure call them for those. I am only talking about when, other team hit our guy or Shaw and Shaw stands up for the team and hits them right back. Both players should get a penalty and both games, the first 2 games, the refs didnt call it right. Thats a disgrace.

    Its like they want to screw Shaw on any time they can when its a time when both teams players should get a penalty each, is what I am saying.

  34. Hull if Neal is the no brainer you try tp sell everybody on, why didn’t your buddy down in Florida land him when Panarin wouldn’t sign, lol.

    Put 88 with 12 and 17, for offense and try to find 3 lines that can play some defense. The only balance right now is what the opposition is having. Try 20 and 8 with 19, when Dach available use him and Shaw to anchor 3rd line with ? that fits best. If Kampf isn’t the guy then he can be part of finding 4th line combo they want.

    Murphy didn’t seem in game form yet so combined with Dehaan, callup Gilbert if needed will hopefully bolster defense. Hard to blame Crawford but Lehner needs to start and find a hot goalie, that should happen.

  35. Your right if when Shaw cross checked that guy, it was after the Kane hit which I didnt see first 48 min. It was in the highlights on csn where it made it look like it was after Shaw got cross checked in the face. So depending on which on was done right before, I do not know that. I was going by the highlights on our csn, not espn nhl channels, and thats what it looked like.

    Just like the first game.

    To me I do not think that should play into or out of , for other team, if Shaw or other team do 5 other penaltys in game and they call those on the player, sure. Just that it seeems like a one off on Shaw, 2 times in first 2 games. Based on the highlights.

  36. For the record I didnt say it was the sch was the reason why we didnt win 2 one goal games.

    I meant that, maybe, with a normal sch we will start to play better and then play good and get on a roll.

    We do need to play good and we havnt thats why I said we havnt looked good in preseason scrimmages and 2 games now.

    I do not know whats going to happen but I would say were going to do well and play good once we get to around game 5 or so. The team will be up to speed and have a normal sch to get into a rtythem. That is all I meant.

  37. I didnt watch PHI preseason maybe they play good, we didnt.

    I am not always right but I was about Tazer when people said he was done a coupld yrs ago. I saw him skating got faster mid season with Schmaltz. Then after two different summer training and food hes is back to where he was. Being a top center in league again.

    Theres no whining or complaining its fact/ors that can make a difference or be part of it. Like adding to what ever problems the team has this yr, in the first 7 scrimmage and 2 games.

    Good day, eh.

  38. Honestly where was Toews? It’s hard to believe but he didn’t show. Opening game at home and I wouldn’t have known he was on the ice. The entire team was flat other than the 3rd line and Colliton breaks it up. WTF! I’ll take Shaw any day with his bad penalties because he shows emotion, fight and plays in front of the next. Keith is seriously on his last legs. He plays way too much. Gustafsson was horrible. Together they’re shit. Craw is very average now. I’m waiting for Lehner. What happened to the push they finished last year with? I’m ready for a real NHL coach..Marc Crawford your table is waiting.

  39. Entire team was flat except the 3rd line and it was broke up…then says Shaw shows emotion….So Shaw showed up too then. SMH

  40. Morisson – each team has a time in their schedule where things seem to be unfavorable, and also favorable. Good teams work through it. Players who dive (Hartman was another of these) and flail on the ice when someone gets near them get called for more penalties and see fewer called in their favor (they bring that on themselves by blurring the lines of reality). Those are known as facts. Personally, I – like others and probably you – think that Shaw is a good addition to the team. However, the more he flails and acts on the ice, the harder he will make it for officials to treat him fairly. Have you ever put a whistle in your mouth or officiated any sport? It is not nearly as easy as it looks, even for an 8 years old game. Officiating is an subjective situation to evaluate what can be a glimpse of an occurrence. Sometimes you guess – and that can be right or wrong. Yes, there are bad officials, but when you say that a player is frequently the receiver of what you perceive to be the short end of the stick, maybe it is those players who are influencing that decision against themselves. Yes, Shaw was hit with a stick to the face, I believe while he was partially on the ice (not standing up). Not all calls are made or even ignored, but sometimes not seen – ask Gus about a stick to his face last night. Ya know, for years I watched a spectacular player wearing number 19 in the Indian Head Sweater get away with as much as anyone on the ice, hooks, trips, slashes, all done subtly and with cautious grace. That eventually caught up with him and he had to clean it up. There is a lot less of the HANDS UP to the officials from him these days as he has adjusted his game to play more within the rules. It is in a player’s control to be picked on by officials. It is their job to police the ice and keep the play under control. This is no longer the 1980s. We actually get to watch a magnificent game played by people of incredible skills. They make it looks so very simple, but for anyone who has laced it up and had people 25-50 pounds heavier running at them on the ice….. I marvel at the athleticism and beauty of a game they allow me to watch and enjoy. I also appreciate that the officials – all of whom appear to be human beings subject to making errors – try to keep the game under control so that magic can be displayed for my viewing.

    Have a good weekend Morrison.

  41. Sorry guys but I’m officially on the ledge – all my concerns before this game were justified and the question now seems to be will Colliton survive to the end of October because if he does it just might be too late already to save the season.

    Something drastic change needs to happen and soon – that’s how bad the Hawks have been and not just last night.

    After last night the Hawks play 7 of their next 8 at home before a three game road trip starting the end of October. This homestead is crucially important for a team like the Hawks who will have to fight hard all season to stay in the playoff conversation.

    How long before Crawford replaces JC? How long before Stan realizes the season may be lost if they continue to play this way for the entire homestand?

    Sure there are a few moves that JC can make – hopefully de Haan soon, Dach, Perlini – maybe Stan can find a trade partner for Gus and bring up Gilbert or Boquist but they cannot afford a lengthy losing streak like they endured a couple of times last year.

    I know JC is not on the ice but either his system doesn’t work or the players aren’t able to play it. I question if Toews and Keith are buying into JC’s system because they’ve looked either bad or not engaged and if your leaders aren’t buying in how do you expect the team to buy in?

    There has been zero indication through all of pre-season and now 2 regular season games that progress is being made – the Hawks currently have to viewed as one of the worst if not the worst team in the West.

    I think they’re better than that – maybe JC can turn this around but if he does it’ll be against every trend we’ve seen so far and if he doesn’t he’ll be gone very quickly IMO.

  42. « I think they’re better than that – maybe JC can turn this around but if he does it’ll be against every trend we’ve seen so far and if he doesn’t he’ll be gone very quickly IMO.« 

    Yep. Not a good feeling today.

  43. I have said this before, until they great rid of the fly by poke check in both zones it’s going to be a long yr. you don’t have to kill someone with a hit just use your body and take him out of the play. Watch St. Louis big 4 and see if anyone is left alone in front of the net. As for systems their all basically the same ( every team has the same warm up for Christ sake). You think the systems are much different. It’s effort, player personnel and chemistry. What is the hawk defence going to do on Monday against McDavid and Draisaitl.

  44. Thoughts:
    -Stanbo is one step closer to the chopping block.
    -You can dress and pretend however much you want but Nylander has the nhl skill but the heart the size of a pea
    -Its the same team. 1/3 of the names have changed but its the same team
    -Gus may give you 60pts but he gives the other team 60 pts too
    -The Stanley Cup window slammed shut in 2017 and ever since Stan Bowman has been trying to pry it open with a crowbar made out of nerf foam
    -Play Dach and get this over with so he can go play with Saskatoon. Enough already!
    -Colliton’s inexperience shows once again. When one line is clicking, you leave it alone. Coach Q knew that.
    -Theres a ton of pressure on Crawford and he knows it. I feel bad for him because everyone is already pencilling in Lehner for next year.

  45. One last point , for all those that Kampf should be in the Ahl , please look again. Has speed plays with heart , wins board battles and is good defensively. The mistake JC made was not only breaking that line up , but not giving them extra ice time. If sitting on the bench doesn’t give you motivation then you don’t belong in the NHL

  46. Bobby yes most systems have similarities but it was the players and coaches who started stressing adapting to changes, not something invented here.
    Shakeup in the lines is coming yes, but all is not lost yet.

  47. Hakws2010, yea really cant go by anything in first 5 games and judge team until we get to games 15-20. Sch and getting up to speed make a difference.

    Playing the right way and with right attitude for any system? to work. We need to do and I need to watch games 60min now so I can see and not go by highlights and 12 min clips. Maybe I watch 60 min of games and it brings us good luck. We need to play right and make changes to system or something so we can play defense good.

    You can win with a top 5 OFF and and average DEF but you can cheat a lot more in playoffs. So we need to play D learn to play D somehow. We cannot win in playoffs with not playing that way. So who cares about the 82 games, we should be tailoring out team game to playoff style winning.

    It looks bad right now preseason 7 scrimmages and 2 games, prob 5 games. Then I think we see us play, when were up to speed and have a normal sch. or we could just suck and do not believe that. We have the full roster now no excuses. Make it work or change the system. Thats what everyone wanted with Q and 11 yrs on dominance.

    Catch fire once we start playing the right way and doing the things you guys all pointed out are the real problems and reasons were not winning, in these 2 one goal loses.

  48. Remember 2years ago 10-1 win over Oens followed up with 5-1 win over Columbus who were a very good team then. Now remember the rest of the season.

  49. ?Sorry guys but I’m officially on the ledge?
    @Wrap, its because you had almost a week to think about the Philly game, and now you’ve got time to keep going over this one. Hopefully the boys are thinking about this as much as you are…

    I, for one will wait until tomorrow night to join you on the ledge. ;)

  50. Thanks for that classy response. I agree with 99% of everyone here on this stuff, thats jsut what I saw or thought I did in 2nd game after seein git in first game with the double cross check to 12 on ground. Does Marchand get called properly?

    I did ref a game once and it was hard. Maybe prob with 1,000 games reffing I would be better but tehres always close plays and you react without instant replay and not always get it right. I understand that and I saw it in that game I reffed. I do like the idea of ref watching replay at every intermission, given to them by TOR and both teams video guy of missed stuff, so they are aware. Cant make it up but help with evely reffed game as much as they can.

    College sports seem to be reffed very well overall and tennis does a dam good job.

    I am going to watch games 60 min, for good luck, starting around game 5.

    For as shitty as it looks I still think we are a top team, have to play the right way and do these things you guys are saying. Its tuff for us to battle through the shitty sch parts now because we havnt come together as a team yet. With half the 23man different new enough system and stuff. Once we get, there, then I think were a top team. be noce if can get to that point by games 20-40 so we can have a fun 2nd 40 games like last yr.

    Cheers man.

  51. Stan should have sold high on Gus and kept Joki. The whole Nylander thing seemed to be an ill-conceived attempt to replace some of what Panarin brought. I don’t anyone who liked the Joki trade at the time and nothing has happened to change that.

  52. Some real overreaction here. But Jim made a good point and it has been ongoing. One of the things that could change is how little other teams forwards pay for standing in front of the net. Same thing last year.
    Toews, Kane, D-Cat and others would have a lot more points if they could play in from of the Hawks goalie instead of most of the other teams in the league-why??

  53. Too much time during the off season for many here. Got all consumed in good thought and that appears to have been a bad use of time!

    I think we are better, and better than this. But I don’t think we can contend for anything more than a playoff spot. We don’t don’t have the defensive depth and we certainly don’t have the defensive attitude to play in this league. We likely will get our arses handed to us a few times this year, and people will wince at it!

    We need better athletes and a couple of Dmen who are capable and young. I’m ready to see the toilet get flushed. Move Seabrook and Keith at whatever cost (he says, knowing that would be huge). Get a couple kids up and take the bullets…. We can’t go into next season as unprepared to play in this league as we are right now.

  54. I want to see game 6-10 before I think we suck and need major changes again. I am for what ever makes us a top 5 team again. Style? Attitude? Do it.

    I confident in Rocky and organization that after enough sample size time is there were doing the moves to do it. Where not going to sit for more then 2 yrs.

  55. It’s the safest 10 feet on the ice for opponents – in front of Crawford. Been that way for a while…. not likely to change based on the first 2 games.

  56. The same shit has been going on for years. Toews has paid the price in the past. BTW, I don’t think anyone is overreacting. Home opener, enthusiasm running high and to come out flat. Only thing good was the 3rd line which JC broke up. Horrible move and horrible game.

  57. Stefanie – there’s still some room on the ledge for now but it may get crowded pretty fast ; )

  58. I get that JC wants to play with pace but the Hawks too often just seem to be running around being overly aggressive in both ends of the ice with little purpose

    Forwards are constantly being caught trying to do too much in the O zone and when the opposing team then break out they’re often doing it with speed through the neutral zone pushing our D men back – how many times did SJ spilt our D pair or did Burns come roaring up ice into the Hawks zone?

    Our D is bad enough without the Fws getting caught behind the play

    My advice would be to dial the whole mindset back from 11 – be a bit more patient in both ends and win a freaking board battle every once and a while, use your body to separate the man from the puck, get in the shooting lanes, tie somebody up in front of the net, don’t gamble on every offensive chance – in other words play smart which seems to be a huge problem at the moment

  59. Per the email I just read from NBCSports, here’s the lines JC had going at practice today:
    12-19-91
    65-17-88
    20-64-8
    15-22-11
    ……same D pairs.

    **65-17-88 could be LOTS of fun…..

  60. Some good thoughts here. But come on, if you’re on the ledge after only two games, you should do us a favor and jump.

  61. Well said Tony. Some people just need a push.

    Ian, I’d be happy with those D lines. Gustafsson was horrendous.

  62. Just cause I’m on the ledge doesn’t mean I’m gonna jump or even allow myself to pushed over – it’s all in good fun ; )

    I’ll reserve you others a spot for now although it could get crowded after Saturday but if I’m proven wrong I’ll gladly come in from the ledge

    For now until JC and the Hawks prove me wrong and I’d love to be wrong, I’ve staked out my position – the realistic prospect of the playoffs could easily hinge on having a good record during the next 8 games and at the moment I don’t like their chances

    We’ll see if these line changes produce better results – glad to see Perlini get a shot and also to see Murphy with Keith and presumably Lehner will start vs the Oil

  63. Ok with those D pairs too, with Gus and Nylander out thats the 2 biggest defensive liabilities gone, maybe sacrifice offense a bit with Gus but worth it.

  64. Step I like those lines, sort of like mine. I been calling for a playoff style lines, that has a 3rd of 20 and 65 on it. With 3rd line being the best line in terms of playing together as a unit, keep that for now. Have your lines with the style I was talking about a wk ago.

    65 19 91
    12 17 88

    Need to have 19 88 on different lines and go with the 3rd for now awhile.

  65. Even if we suck for the first 5 games I like and want to see games 6-10 before I think bad. Around the VEG and PHI games is the time I think we start to get it going good.

    Need to hold on to her until then.

  66. I felt KK’s game wasn’t that bad for the first 2 periods. Somewhat more physical than the rest and actually in position most of the time.

    I hope the experiment of 2 and 56 being paired is over. That was never going to work – I voiced that loudly. Way too similar in the way they see the game – offense first and the other guy will cover my arse. Well, not when you both are circling the offensive net. Neither sees defending as a priority. Keith must have a stay at home guy – Murphy should suffice. Seabrook was always there for Keith. Gus is not cut from that mold and will not fill Seabrook’s fixit abilities for Keith.

    The only other recourse would be to pull the reigns in Keith. That’s funnier than thinking Gus can cover Keith’s arse. Having them together only makes the pair look awful – see the first 2 games for proof.

  67. A few stray thoughts:

    When De Haan is back and healthy, I think it would be a good time to find a trade for Gus before his value dips. I want our D-men to play D. Is that too much to ask? Besides, in a year or less (just a guess) Boqvist can be the new D-man with special O skills, and Gilbert and Mitchell will follow soon after, assuming we sign Mitchell after he’s done at Denver (we better sign him!). And here’s hoping that JC doesn’t ruin Nylander’s confidence before he gets a chance to prove me wrong about the Joki trade with Buffalo.

  68. When were going good, I like these pairs

    2 ?
    44 5
    6 7

    Not sure how you do top pair, I like the 2nd of 44 5 shutdown pair. I guess you could do that at certain parts of game and then roll pairs as OFF / DEF pair

    With
    2 5
    6 7
    44 56/KK/27

    must be lining it up for that OFF / DEF style pairs and Haan would be with OFF guy, thats pairing it balanced and with 6 7 being good it could be good, if we play right and good.

  69. Not only are Keith and Gus too similar in style but by playing Gus with Keith JC is practically guaranteeing that Gus plays the most minutes of anyone as he did vs the Flyers – 25 min. in fact – and also vs the Sharks – almost 24 minutes

    That’s nuts when you consider Gus is probably our worst actual defender from the D corps

    He should be playing 3rd pair mins and PP time

    I would second the trading of Gus as soon as a good deal emerges – I feel Boqvist will soon be ready (if he isn’t already) to take his spot on the PP and I don’t think he’s any worse defensively and probably better in that regard

  70. The next step in the evolution of the Fws is to bring Dach in and scratch Smith – then it’s possible that finally we have the 12 best Fws playing depending of course on how Dach performs

    But I’m not sure they can activate Dach without removing Nylander from the roster to comply with performance bonus requirements

    Ian or Rusty – do you know?

  71. Yea Nylander is good and should get better at what he needs to. He might not fit in the lines now because of what spots we need or make roster lines better with 12 best FW, by position and spots. I am thinking 77 is good enough now, like 27, to be able to play the spot as good and then as soon as they get settled in there going to be better players, after, right off the bat.

    Its going to happen, no rush, do it when time is right. In the meantime, move your ass and play like you can. Even if your confused on system a little.

    We play good, the way we need to, then you can get into the system more and get good at it. Were just off way off in lots of areas, even though both one goal loses.

    If Dach can hold his own, then he could be good for the 2nd 40 games. By then he should have played enough and experience to then just play freely.

    65 19 91/77
    12 17 88
    20 64/77 8
    11 64 22
    2 5
    44 56
    6 7
    50/40

  72. I do like for now doing 65 17 88, so it keep its non predicatable. With 12 17 88 every knows what they are doing. Good to start it out like this for awhile.

    12 19 91
    65 17 88

    I like this for now awhile.

  73. Wrap not unless somebody knows whats in contract. The “b” bonuses are if in top 10 in league in offensive categories, G,A, Pts, +- or win a trophy, named an allstar, often don’t know until late in year. The”A” bonuses, the 1st $850,000 achievable are personal accomplushments, “B” is when they go over that amount. Can be things like a certain number of goals, assists, pts, top 6 on team in +-, ice time, pts per game. Can have up to 4 things worth $212,500 each. Those you don’t know about early in season either, can’t say for sure there isn’t a games played or maybe a staying on nhl roster or something like that in there too that is worth one of those shares too, that can reduce it early.

  74. Counting Dach and Dehaan gives then the allowed 23man roster size. By activating Dach the bonuses would add about extra $500,000 caphit, plus his $925,000 elc caphit.

  75. Ahaa yes Dach and Dehaan …..2 un tested Hawks ,game changers ,broke down ,concussed game breakers . Neither one has played a game that matters for the Hawks …and their our hope and shining light ..Really ….Bad is Bad ..call it what it is . Cheer me up Rusty .

  76. Sorry 2015. Im of the belief that Dach needs to go back unless he’s a wing. There’s too many things he can work on in the WHL. I know his skill is up there, but it’s just not practical to expect him to play here full time as an 18 year old.

    Now, as far as deHaan… I think he settles things down on the back end. They’ve been forced to play Gustafsson with Keith. It works on one side of the ice. On the other it’s a train wreck. His complete inability to make consistent decisions when defending puts his D partner and everyone else in a bind. If you don’t trust the guy next to you to either go where he’s supposed to go…or go where he usually goes. You tend to cheat and help him because my God he needs it. Then when he does get the puck and receives the slightest bit of pressure he’ll do what your taught in mite hockey not to do. Blind pass in front of your own net. Perhaps him playing his off hand also has something to do with it, but I think it’s mostly upstairs

    Murphy is sound defensively. Hes consistent and reliable. Sure he’s not fast or put up much offensively. But neither was Hjalmarsson. Not saying Murphy is Hammer. Just that you don’t need to be Erik Karlsson to have success as a top pair.

    Putting Gustafsson on the third line, they’re able to pick his minutes a little better and not play against other teams top 6 so often.

  77. Got it Ian. Any chance the 7.5% rule is like ltir where you can use the dollars under the ceiling to offset the bonus pool?

    Regardless, I think it’s moot. They already have a guy that was stapled to the bench that can easily be sent down if you want to get him games. Meanwhile Perlini is also riding the pine.

  78. unreal that 91, 65 , 12 are playing ahead of 20 Saad!
    …this is an example of futilty by this coacvh. Brandon Saad, 2 time Cup winner….playing behind….91, 92, 65, 12?
    11 still not dressed?

  79. …..a div 2 coach from sweden who has no clue! And a GM who watches the oilers sign a proven left winger in the NHL like James Neil , to sign a backup for $5million?

  80. Rusty the rule as i read it says 7.5% of cap ceiling can be pushed out and not count against cap during the season. Any amounts above that must be accounted for by being applied against the daily caphit during season until potential bonuses are below limit again.

  81. Hull…James Neal was under contract with the flames you dolt. They couldn’t simply sign him. Once again I’ll ask, what would a James Neal trade have looked like? Knowing he just put up 19 total points and had 4 years remaining with a 5.75m cap hit.

  82. and to add, much of the NHL people I’ve heard speak on TV and radio feel the Hawks getting Lehner for one year was their best move in a while. Unfortunately Crow is one elbow-shoulder-stick away from missing another chunk of the season or even ending his career.
    It was a very smart use of money.

  83. Hammer is twice the Dman Murphy is. There is no comparison there. Much better skater and more speed. Also a much more cerebral player as well.

  84. Thanks Ian – if your math is right and by activating Dach that would add $500,000 to the cap plus his $925,000 for a total of $1.425 million I think they could technically have both Nylander and Dach on the roster at the same time although they would have no financial wiggle room so they wouldn’t keep that situation for very long

    In that case maybe a few games for Dach and a decision on both the fate of Nylander and Dach

    Have to agree to use of Saad is baffling – even though his line was dominant in the first period his TOI for the whole game was less than Carpenter’s – let that sink in

  85. Haan is a proven top 4 Defensemen and people that had worrys or thoughts about Maatta, well you can see how good he is and works well with Seabs. Used right Seabs can be good. Look at the differnece when with a decent Defensemen. Way to go Maatta. Last 2 yrs we had 2 top 4 Defensemen, now we have 4 top 4 Defensemen.

    That is was the problem not having enough, NHL, defensemen and playing Defense good. We have it now. Now need to work on the things we need to that were not doing good at.

  86. Lines I’d like to see

    12-19-20
    8-17-88
    92 or 77-64-65
    91-22-11

    If neither Nylander or Dach is up to the task then either 91 or 15 goes in on 3rd line and its more of a checking than a scoring line and the other plays 4th line

  87. Not sure what going on with the min, I am fine with Saad on 3rd line when top 6 is looking good. 20 64 8 works fine and when 77 is ready then you have that or a 20 65 8 line. Someone said do a 20 19 8 line and a 12 17 88 line, now theres a top 6. Just makes your 3 and 4 line more role play then having a 3rd that can score against other teams weaker lines.

    I really like the Lehner move and I like Crow a lot. Know someone who knows his family about 30 min from where I live. Her boyfriend runs a rink right near in his home town. That Manning for Cagiluga move wasnt to shabby. Just need to keep making good moves when they are there and load up through draft like we have.

    Got two top 5 draft players coming soon enough and a bunch of other player that could be good. I liked Kubalik right from the start this summer and thought he was better then Kahun, nothing against 24.

  88. Not talking about the 3rd line thing from other day. Yes you want to keep the lines together for long stretchs to develop chemistry. You need to find lines that work well first before you can do that. What worked last yr with 3/4 qtr roster might not work now with a 4/4 full roster with many different players. Should be much better then last yr team wise at FW and D.

    Lets keep changing lines in the first 5-10 games, every couple games when not working, until we find lines that are good well. Then roll from there.

  89. Wrap, those are good lines with thrussles. I would like to see a 3rd line with Shaw and Dach if Saad is top 6. If going with your top 6.

    12 19 20
    8 17 88
    11 65 77
    91 64 22
    15/92

    For a thrussels line I like these options.
    20 19 65 1st line
    20 65 88 2nd line

  90. Wrap if Saad were getting pp mins and usual pk mins, his mins per game would look alot closer to what we would expect him to play. Agree still little lower than he has gotten through his career likely.

  91. Agree with Ian, just give Saad more playing time on the PK and PP. why would you want to break up a line that is playing very well.(Saad Kampf kubilak). Enough with Nylander ,send him to the minors. How much longer do we have to watch his laziness.

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