Smith, Golden Knights Shoot Down Blackhawks In Game One

After the Vegas Golden Knights rolled to the top seed in the Western Conference during their round robin play, the Blackhawks were set to face a familar face. Robin Lehner, traded to Vegas by Chicago during the season, would battle his former teammates.

Chicago did a good job at the dot in the first period, winning 65 percent of the faceoffs. But they were out-shot and Vegas was able to control the puck more than the Blackhawks would like. After one period the game remained tied at zero.

Vegas came out and dominated the first half of the second period. Shea Theodore got the Golden Knights on the board at 7:22. Two minutes later William Carrier extended the lead to two but it appeared Ryan Reaves was offside. Jeremy Colliton challenged the play but lost; the score remained.

On the penalty kill following the lost challenge, the Blackhawks got on the board. Brandon Saad made a magnificent play to strip the puck and set up David Kampf for the short-handed goal.

Chicago started to turn the momentum while short-handed but had to kill almost four full minutes. Kirby Dach joined Dylan Strome (who was serving the challenge penalty) in the box for a few seconds. The Hawks were able to kill both penalties and started to do a better job attacking.

Lehner was losing more skate blades than rebounds, unfortunately. After 40 minutes of hockey the Hawks were down to 58 percent at the dot and had been out-shot 21-14. Chicago had only one high-danger scoring chance through two periods.

The next goal would be a big one and it went to Vegas. Reilly Smith put a shot on net that hit Corey Crawford in the shoulder and popped over Chicago’s netminder and into the net. The bad goal extended Vegas’ lead back to two.

Vegas went back to dominating the action and controlling the puck. Chicago was chasing far too much and they paid for it.

Smith struck again less than five minutes later, exploding up the ice past Patrick Kane and making the deposit. Jonathan Marchessault made a nice pass to set Smith up for the second time in the third period.

The Blackhawks were now chasing three in the middle of the third.

With just under 10 minutes remaining the Blackhawks got a much-needed power play. Alec Martinez went to the box but the Hawks struggled to get the puck into the zone. It took the Blackhawks almost the first half of the advantage to get the puck into the zone.

Chicago failed to score on the power play. Kane hit the post while Dach was in good position in front of the net but the Hawks didn’t get another good look despite Vegas having a defender lose his stick in the closing seconds.

The Blackhawks simply couldn’t generate any offense (as the shot chart below painfully illustrates) and the Golden Knights skated away with a Game One victory.

Jonathan Toews skated 17:26 and won 13 of 20 faceoffs with two shots on net. Patrick Kane was on the ice for 20:55 and put one shot on net. That isn’t going to be enough against this Golden Knights team.

Dominik Kubalik led the Hawks with five shots on net in 16:08.

Kampf, who scored Chicago’s only goal, won 10 of 17 faceoffs. Dach won just two of nine but let Blackhawks forwards in ice time again (21:30).

Crawford stopped 29 of 33 but would like at least two of the goals against back.

Duncan Keith was the only Hawks defenseman to skate more than 20 minutes in the game (23:40). He was minus-four in the game.

Chicago blocked 13 shots and won 55 percent of the faceoffs but were out-shot 33-20. There was far too much one-and-done from the Blackhawks’ offense in the game and the result showed which side dominated the puck.

82 thoughts on “Smith, Golden Knights Shoot Down Blackhawks In Game One

  1. Ugly all around. Exactly what I feared. This team cannot compete with teams like Vegas in the playoffs. 3 bad goals allowed by Crow didn’t help, either. Strome=skating in mud. Debrincat=his contract extension that kicks in next season is looking worse by the day. Nylander=AHL player. Carpenter=at least you tried. Just not very good. Saad played a hell of a game, as did Kampf, but that was about it. This is likely over Sunday. Maybe they steal a game. Get Kurashev in the lineup and see what he can do. Same for Beaudin. Get Keith off the first pp unit and let Boqvist run it. Oh well, the experience will be good, but this roster is not built to beat teams like Vegas, Stl, etc. Too slow and too small in too many areas.

  2. Boqvist has looked like a teenager since the Hawks returned to the ice. Complete opposite of Dach. I’m not throwing him out there in any pressure situations right now.

  3. can anyone explain to me why our coach didn’t even attempt to pull the goalie to come from behind to tie a stanley cup game? that is a white flag/quit message that is unforgivable for fans but even more for the team. they were outplayed by a better team and blame can be placed all thru the lineup except a couple glints of effort and spirit, but for the coach to wave the white flag in any game but especially game one is unforgivable and unacceptable. if someone has a good hockey reason for this I would like to be educated but I don’t know of one. is JC making tee times already?

  4. Despite being outplayed for most of the 2nd and 3rd period this game was win-able. Unfortunately Crawford had his worst showing in these playoffs. 2 of the goals he allowed were routine saves and a 3rd was questionable.

    The Hawks were outplayed and out defended and unless Crawford can find his top form they don’t stand a chance. He needs to be standing on his head and they need to find a way to generate more pressure if they’re to stand a chance.

    Kane needs to get going and unfortunately at this point we don’t have the depth to play him with anyone that seems capable of producing without tearing apart the Toews line.

    I think we all had low expectations for this series so it shouldn’t come as shock the Hawks lost. It was just especially frustrating because they had a chance if Crawford has shown up.

  5. The Hawks were outclassed and manhandled.Crawford,Toews,Keith, and Kane were all poor.2 TERRIBLE Goals allowed by Crawford who looked out of it and not seeing the puck.Vegas will be shooting high on him for the next games.By far Toews worst game since the restart.Again you got nothing out of Strome,Debrincat,and Nylander.If Cagguila is not going to play physical he can sit.This Vegas team is too mature,big,talented,and physical for the younger Hawks.The Hawks have no answers for the 4th line of Vegas.I agree with others here.Don’t let these games go to waste.Sit the players that have been giving you nothing and get a look at Hagel,Kurashev,Carllson.Kamph and Carpenter did play a solid game and were the best forwards.This series is going to be a rout.

  6. And you must think the knights don’t know Suuuuuubban weakness. The hawks are who they are and you can take your measuring stick and put it away and start talking about kids getting experience & schooled by a better team. Just count shots on goal and how many real good quality scoring chance ! Hope nobody was surprised at what they saw and how soon it will be over ! Only thing now is when ! Hawks r young and future bright ! Enjoy there play and Reservation for T time will be fast ! Don’t pik them apart ! Time is on there side

  7. Didn’t play sharp at all, passing thru center ice wasn’t good all game. Crawford 2 bad goals, 2nd goal onside by rule changes made, but thought Smith knocking Highmore down without the puck and it directly leading to the goal, could easily been called inteeference. Obviously after last years playoff fiasco, with Marchesault blatantly high elbow after Boqvist head, shoutout to Toew’s response and nothing to Reaves for deliberate head shot that took Schmaltz out, anything borderline or a little over isn’t going against Vegas. Also 4th goal a result of pushing when chasing the game, so not as bad as it looked.

    The Blackhawks need to be more opportunistic on offense and maintain a solid defense, obviously Crawford needs his A+ game. Kane especially and Dach need to find the back of the net. Pk is really coming into it’s own great effort by Saad on the goal, nice shot by Kampf , with Lehner out at the top of his crease to cut down the angle. Couldn’t believe the commentary saying Lehner was way back in the net, wow.

    Look for a better all around effort next game, 1st games after big wins in series finales, teams often tend to letdown, so see what Thursday brings.

  8. Dark Bird, PP has all the skilled forwards out there with Kane, need to get the ball rolling there and may open up 5 on 5 a bit more to make things happen there. Winning the possession stats every game against Vegas a tough order to fill, need to do it with patience and taking advantage of chances they get.

  9. Not the same Crawdaddy as pre-quarantine yet. I think the Hawks will do as well as he does.
    The Knights had a lot of possession yes but I was far from shocked and awed by their game. Hawks can win this, but Crow has to be A+ and Kane has to get hot. 12, 17, and 92 are hard to watch play NHL hockey.

  10. Maybe it’s time to shake up the lines..even if it’s just to give Vegas a different look on Thursday..I would try something like:
    Nylander-Toews-Kubalik
    Saad-Dach-Kane
    Cat-Strome-Kampf
    Highmore-Carpenter-Caggs
    Maybe these lines would help Nylander and Kane to get going.. lets spread the scoring throughout the four lines and start heading to the net on every shift..anyhoo, one of the reasons the Hawks were just about unbeatable in games 5, 6 and 7 during their championship runs was because of the adjustments Q would make as a series progressed..let’s see if this coaching staff can do the same..

  11. Ian I agree that the PP needs to click. I thought they had a couple good looks but from what I remember they only had a couple opportunities on the man advantage.

    I also agree with patience, The Hawks aren’t going to be able to dominate possession stats. Vegas is a disciplined defensive team that doesn’t seem to give up much 5 on 5. If the Hawks can settle down a bit I think we can make this a series.

    I still think that it starts with Crawford elevating his game to Game 5 vs Oilers and beyond.

  12. Vegas was good but their game is not unbeatable however last night the Hawks were only able to play with them in stretches

    Still with Crow in better form that’s a 1 goal game well into the third arguably even tied if he doesn’t whiff on Theodore’s shot in the second

    I’m not throwing out the Hawks chances but I think a few changes are definitely needed

    Maybe move Kampf to 3C and Strome to the stands and either Kurashev or Hagel in
    (Hawks can’t afford Strome’s plodding play in the line up – need more speed and forechecking)

    Might consider also 88 to Toews’ line and 20 to Dach’s line – need to generate more on all lines

  13. The Blackhawks hit three posts while the game was still win-able. Some puck luck and the Golden Knights would have been chasing the scoreboard. Let’s see what happens Thursday night.

  14. “They are who we thought they were”. Stan think long and hard about signings and extensions this offseason. Crawford (age and cost) it’s time to move on.

  15. Good point Chicago Joe.
    Ringing the iron always changes things.
    Gretzky had the best idea regarding goalposts and scoring.
    He said it last year.

    Back on point:
    One game does not a series make.

    If Vegas does this again in game two, then you can start thinking about the off-season cuz no way Chicago beats Vegas 4 out of 5.

  16. From last thread.

    OKIE HAWKS FAN
    August 11, 2020 at 11:50 pm
    Yeah, this is gonna be a sweep, and they’re never make deep playoff runs with the roster constructed the way it is. Awful game by Crow, too

    This is why they should have had the 12 teams play each other for the 8 seeds. 1 vs 12 2 vs 11 3 vs 19 4 vs 9 and so on.

    It was fun to beat EDM and the teams that were seeds 5-8 are where we are roster wise. Were just not deep yet and need the entire young wav to be ready and add those top pair Defensemen.

    That way we would be picking in draft where we deserve to based on 82 game season 9/10th pick not 16th. Luckily we might get the same player there then 9/10th but its not the way it should have been done and it doesnt matter if its the same for every team. Wrong is wrong.

    1 vs 12.

  17. It’s one game. Let’s see what happens on Thursday. Usually……….USUALLY, a series doesn’t get going until game #3, but without “home ice” and some Chicago fan motivation this series could be done in 4 games.

    Debrinkat is Artemi Panarin light. He gets pushed around and can’t get to the inside of the ice. Nylander is happy just getting a shift and has no heart. Dach is getting better, but at the age of 19 is still learning his craft and this kind of pressure is tough to play under with only 1 NHL season under your belt.

    I don’t see this team winning more than 1 game, if that. I hope I am wrong.

  18. Out Coached/ Out Played / looked like no motivation / can you please shoot the puck / push the play
    What is wrong with Kane???
    Feel for Kieth trying to play both defensive positions with Boquist skating in circles

  19. We can try to parse this all we want, but the better team won and probably will continue to do so. The Saad/Kampf goal was spectacular. One of the few highlights. We all get tired of hearing about Crow’s “glove side” but he sure looked weak on that first goal to his “glove side.”

    Sure wish Dach could figure out how to score goals. Parts of his game are magnificent, although last night was not his finest. There is little doubt he will figure out the “finish” thing. Hopefully it will be soon.

    On the second Vegas goal, the announcers on NBCSN seemed impressed that Highmore got thrown to the ice. As was mentioned above, that was blatant interference. It also appeared that the play was offside. Interestingly, if not for the unsuccessful challenge on the play, the Hawks probably would have been shut out as the highlight reel shorty was the result of that.

    Anybody watch the Tampa/CBJ game? I agree with Milbury that the league should try to find a way to end games before 5 OT periods. Maybe they should consider going to 4 on 4 after two OT periods, or some such. Shootouts are an absolute no-no in the playoffs, but it seems that something should be done.

    At least we get to watch 3 more games this season and see what we can figure out.

  20. Excuses are for losers, but before I get to the excuses, I want to point out the stark reality that Crawford isn’t good enough to give the Hawks a chance against a high quality team, at least he hasn’t been in 4 of the 5 games we’ve seen him play since they entered the bubble. Vegas is a solid team, with the operative word being ‘team’, not the collection of misfits the Oilers threw out there against the Hawks. If he doesn’t play significantly better this will probably be over sooner than later.

    OK, now for loser excuses.

    Even though Vegas carried the play the majority of the game, I thought the Hawks played fairly well defensively – maybe even good enough to win with a bounce or two going their way or with a couple post-and-in’s instead of post-and-out’s.

    I’m as convinced as I can be without inside info that Kane is not 100%. Whether it’s from the slash on the hand in Game#2 against the Oilers or something else, he is playing below his standards. And this isn’t because of his linemates – he is making unforced errors he usually doesn’t make.

    The Vegas forecheck is very good – they come in relentless waves that give the Hawks d-men very little time to make a play, and while it is generally better to hold and shield the puck rather than throw blind passes in the d-zone, it might be a better plan to throw blind passes with the Vegas 4th line on the ice. Their 4th line goes right through the Hawks defenders and more times than not results in a turnover anyway so maybe the plan should be to move the puck quickly instead of holding the puck and getting run over by the freight train wearing a Vegas jersey.

    I would be remiss if I didn’t mention Lehner. When David “stone hands” Kampf roofs a shot and scores on you – you didn’t have a good game. Fortunately for him the Hawks didn’t get many high quality chances and virtually zero second chances, and the Hawks squandered most of the potential high quality chances be either not shooting of ringing it off the pipe. Lehner wasn’t tested. The Hawks need to put more rubber on net and fight for rebound position. Lehner isn’t impregnable.

  21. You would think after years of posting here, I would have learned to proofread before hitting the “post” button. But alas, no. Impassioned streams of consciousness are too impatient for mundane proofreading. Oh well.

  22. Golden Knights are clearly a cut above the Blackhawks. They have a lot of talent on that team, and they play very well as a unit. The Blackhawks still have a LONG way to go in the rebuild.

    I’m officially concerned on Boqvist. I get it that he’s “only 19” but my goodness he is incapable of playing on the blueline. Is his ceiling a poor man’s Nick Leddy? I’m starting really wonder on that. So much is riding on Ian Mitchell being the real deal.

  23. Lots of good comments – I agree with whoever said the Hawks will not beat Vegas 4 out of 5 games so they need to win Game #2 to even pretend to have a chance

    With that in mind JC needs to make some changes for game 2 and have them work and Crow needs to bounce back in a big way and Kane has to contribute – if those 3 things happen they might pull off a game 2 win

  24. KEITH …MINUS 4…
    Saad… Rots
    2 major Toads on defense & Offense
    Big money -& -Always on the ice..
    Hawks playing Shorthanded when those 2 are on the Ice against a disciplined team knows how to play positional hockey.
    KEITH gunna cover Left point again in next game in our Zone? Or just hang out at the Left faceoff circle? Toads….

  25. Reg Dunlop:
    DeBrincat is Panarin Lite?
    Hilarious.

    Give 12 a couple more years. He is only 22 and 5’7″.

    If he is still as soft as Panarin is at 28 and 5’11”, you are into something.

  26. Edmonton GM met the media on Tuesday and talked about how disappointing it was to lose to Chicago. He said McDavid and Draisaitl as well as other players needed to learn from the experience and be battle tested next time. Still a major accomplishment that this particular Hawks team squeaked into the play-in and beat a legitimate playoff team. That’s what I as a fan will take away from this post quarantine tournament.

    As for Vegas, they are bigger, stronger, faster in every facet of the game. Don’t forget they are the Number 1 seed. The Hawks will be lucky to steal one game.

    Kane in alone on Lehner after the Kampf goal, stopped by Lehner. Normally that’s
    2-2. Once Crawford let in the soft goal off his blocker in the 3rd it was all over. 3-1.
    Two CORE guys.

    Oh well on to Thursday. Bonus hockey. Edmonton, Nashville, Winnipeg, Pittsburg all on the golf course.

  27. Thats the thing were not ready yet or have the roster to compete with top 5 teams. We can play with and beat top 6-15 teams but not top 5. Not yet.

    VEG is in there prime of prime yrs as a team and age roster wise. Without SJ being good anymore to push them and less top teams noe in cambell conference and more younger teams on there way up but not there yet. It should be smooth sailgin for VEG to get beat by STL/central team or by WAS again becasue right now there isint but a couple in cambell thats as good/deep/better then them.

    mainly to do with tehre being less top teams in cambell right now then there has been in last 10 yrs. That will change in a yr or two. But this is there time to get a free pass to conference finals/finals again. Unless STL actually shows up and doesnt have hangover.

    It might be TB this time that beats VEG.

  28. Craig, thats the thing for those teams. They are 4/5 seed kind of teams. NAS should be a to 5 team. Yet how they played and good they are now, those teams, they should cover there heads with brown paper bags for a yr/12 mths.

  29. Pretty interesting that the teams that have been eliminated are free to make trades, according to TSN.

    By this time next week, Stan could be Chatting with GMs from Toronto, Pittsburgh, Buffalo. 3 teams all looking to make changes.

  30. To me the analysis is pretty simple. 2-1 game in the third period and Crow lets in a horrible goal. This simply can’t happen in a tight playoff game. The impact was to loosen up the Knights and drain the energy from the Hawks – game over. LV clearly is the deeper team but for any chance to win we need to get the breaks, not give them.

  31. Vegas should be in a good spot next couple of years, able to lock up their high end players with no big long term contracts already there, exempt from expansion draft next summer, so no worries about juggling roster there either. Blackhawks be in a similar situation in a couple of years, should prove to be an advantage for them, plus younger players currently under contract be hitting their peak at same time, with a go9d feel of what playoff hockey is really all about by then too.

    Mo you mentioned about Suter, hoping he is a Shaw type with a good offense to go with it and be solid top 9 or even top 6 maybe player.

  32. VGK is built for the grind and let’s face it, we don’t really belong in the playoffs so no real surprise. And while we were in it until CC whiffed on the third goal, realistically we won very few 5 on 5 shifts all game.

    I’d like to see a stat in place “passes received” (i.e. how good are players at cleanly holding onto a pass). We’d be awful – bad “hands” team.

    Shoutout to 5/44 who were both solid and tried to jump into the play now and then. Saad and Kampf too, as others have noted, but the rest were pretty meh.

    Great burst of speed by Kubalik on that one play where he blew by the guy on the backhand. I’d not seen that acceleration before.

    I can’t see resigning Strome even if its for pennies. And where are the Saad haters now? Debrincat’s is going to be the worst contract among the forwards. It’s only 3 years, but at almost $7 mil/per…ouch!

    Even though Dach is very visible there is no cohesion on his line. I would give Nylander a shot with 77/88 (he get’s all the grief but he hasn’t been as bad as some suggest all the while Debrincat shows nothing). Try that and dump 12/17/91 in Chateau Bow Wow.

    Kane

  33. For all the Dale Tallon lovers last nights game showcased one of his greatest hits. At the LV expansion draft he agreed to leave Marchessault exposed if the Knights would also take Reilly Smith in exchange for a 4th round pick. Wow.

  34. Vegas just too heavy for Hawks to handle.
    It was proposed, after Dcats rookie season, to trade him and piggyback Seabrook with him. It’s obvious why that was presented here.

  35. Cicarelli and Theo Flurry were little guys who played big and lasted long times.

    They played smart, elusive, and tough.

    If 12 goes that way, he will have a long career.

    If Panarin ever goes that way, he will shred the league and go deep in the playoffs.

  36. Well, we were over matched last night. They were better than us in all facets of the game. It’s nothing to be ashamed of, we just need to get better for Game 2. But, let’s point out the positives – DeHaan, Maata, Saad, and Kampf…plenty of negatives. I do agree that we should trot out a new 3rd line just to inject some energy and passion into the game. I want to see Kurashev-Hagel-DeBrincat play together. Why not! Strome and Cagguila were nowhere to be seen. These guys are playing for their next contract, and they aren’t impressing anyone. Just look at how well Maata and Koekoek are playing, and they have upped their value.

  37. MS/Ian/Craig/HHNL/others, thats what I think on most stuff what you guys post. Not going anywhere but take a break here. Then its on with the draft be back for that.

    You guys and everyone here know what our club needs. I feel that the organization will get it done, adding a top pair a two way FW like 81/20 and what we need by the time the young wave is, really, ready to go. Wether gm/ass gm/coachs are still here in a couple/few yrs or not. Still think we get it done and then were fully back.

    What I like about that is the top teams now and for now will be used up spent energy for going hard for yrs. Just like, well not as much as us 5 in 7 yrs used energy, but spent none the less so we ll be coming in at a good time for that. Even though there will be other new teams that are good then to.

    Were going to get there. Its just a matter of time.

  38. Jordy, you asked to see about 5 44 and they are legit for when were deep. I know about 44 getting hurt but why not as long as caphit is decent. Thing is how well are these guys/others holding up in a couple yrs when we are actually ready.

    Bottom line is we need to add the Defense type to go with who we have to have a fair chance of playing.

  39. Yea those expansion draft rules need to be in place to protect the teams not get insider info trading.

    Trades like that should be blocked by the league.

  40. Cant say it enough and I havnt that much about Saader. Going back to the first 10 games a couple yrs ago when people wanted to get rid of him.

    You can always cut a tree down later but you cant put it back.

    72 12
    or
    81 20

  41. DeBrinicat has to exit. Either that or his role needs to be significantly diminished. He’s a one dimensional offense generator whose liabilities far outweigh his positives. A player like DeBrinicat is not on the roster of a Top 10 team in the NHL. And given how rich his contract is in the era of the Covid salary cap, well he’s just got to go. Some people irrationally defend this guy. He’s a class act and works hard…that’s not the issue.

  42. A prime time example of who to keep and not is 2013. The entire 80 games, I nkow it was 55, it was 25 or 29 because of salary cap. We couldnt keep both. The whole time most people me included though were keeping Stals. Then the playoff games and not because Bicks played really good. Even if Bicks played ‘normal’ for him what did Stals do nothing basically. Night and Day.

    I have nothing agsint Bread Man or Debrincat and love them scoring goals.

    Whats the goal of the club. We need to build a playoff roster not a 80 game roster. When we have those kind of players its fine but they need to be more like Sharpy and Steeger. Those guys score goals and are good at D/back ck/other.

  43. Thats why I was asking about Suter. With Suter being like Shaw as well as Barratt. With Kurachev theres three stooges right there that are exactly the kind we need.

    Thank God we already have them and they are part of the young wave.

    I have high hopes for Barratt and Kurachev. As well as Mitch.

  44. This is how the Hawks looked the last time they were in the playoffs in 2016. Unable to find space against a stronger faster team. Not a lot has gotten better on the Hawks since then, that is telling and more than a little disappointing.

    Vegas looked like they weren’t even trying to play that hard, it’s like their coasting speed was better than the Hawks full out effort.

    Bright spots were Dach and Saad. They seemed the most effective at handling the pressure. Dach is looking like a future difference maker.

    Hawks actually looked like they were playing with purpose, but Vegas had an answer for it. I don’t think the Hawks got outplayed in the sense that the Hawks weren’t trying. I think they were trying, it’s just Vegas’s response was better. To me this series showcases the disparity in talent between the two rosters. Vegas can play a fast, heavy game with skill. The Hawks can’t.

  45. In how we look overall as a team/roster yea.

    Well in 2016 we didnt have a young wave of good young players coming and we were trading 1sts and 2nds for deadline adds. Now were building from draft and so far have some top 10 skill players.

    So these last few yrs we have been collecting good young players to load up again. Still need to add a to pair and another two way FW

  46. The best possession line the Blackhawks had this season i believe was 20, 64, 8. If reunited could go with 19 and 88 and maybe 92 on another line. 12, 77 and Kurashev to add new blood with a 4th line of 36, 22 and 91 or Hagel if a change needed there, to try something different and be reasonably responsible in own end with 3 lines that can add offense, plus have some mobility.

    Agree if Dehaan stays healthy him and Murphy can form a solid top 4 pairing to build on in immediate future.

  47. Not trying to be down on the team just want us to get back and know we will. Where just not there yet. I mean were still half a roster away. Young wave will fill most of that. Have to make ufa adds in areas we cant draft/trade for and we know what that is. Get rid of the caphits that arnt staying longterm and when the virus salary cap neuters the top teams next 3 yrs. Get on it.

    GO back and cop 2009 where we added Soupy Hoss others ufa wise with the space we ll have in a couple yrs.

  48. Bring back John Scott for that flatlander.

    I am waiting for draft and a break out yr for 77. Going to sand the rust of the jeep underside and paint it. The northern VT salt gets to things.

  49. Actually wouldn’t mind
    91 19 88 have shown well together
    12 77 Kurashev and d shift 88 some
    20 64 8
    36 22 92 as go to guy not go getter maybe
    Could be better balanced for this series

  50. @Mo, I think I meant the last playoff team at 2016-2017 year. I don’t think I was clear which team I meant when I said 2016 team (I was referring to the start of the season, not when they played in the playoffs…)

    In any event, I think my point is that at the time, the Hawks management felt like they were still close enough to a Cup that what required fixing was not drastic. Three years later and we are no closer to the Cup. And it seems that the changes required to be competitive are more drastic than previously believed. It feels like time ill spent.

    Though I concur that we have acquired some young players who could be a part of the next wave, hopefully they can develop fast enough to matter.

  51. However the lines shake out I think we all agree (and it’ll be interesting to see if JC does – I think doubt it) that 17 should be out of the line up

    According to Natural Stat Trick 3 of 4 Hawks lines outchanced Vegas 5 on 5 to the tune of +5 – that’s a positive

    The Dach line however was -7 which IMO is due to Kane and DCat bring on the same line which I’ve railed about before – they have to be broken up

  52. How about

    8-19-88
    20-77-Kurashev
    12-64-91
    92-22-36

    potential goal scorer on each of bottom 2 lines in 12 and 92 maybe surprise with a goal here or there

  53. Thats cool man your another person I agree with 100% of the time. Just think the same on things.

    We cant without a young wave from draft and by sucking/record wise in 80 games we got that. Thats why I really wanted another top 5 skill draft player this draft. You the same.

    We do need to add those ufa just like we did with Soupy Hoss other again. Its the same thing same situation in needing those positions filled by good elite players like that that we donot have time to draft for. We need draft for other spots in its own.

    Then were talking and back. I see that still in line for where were are and going. keep at it.

  54. I asked for the 12 77 88 line and that line did good it tied up the 1-3 game 3-3. Different team here in layout of there lines/roster.

    The lines Tab and you guys put out last few days are good to go with now.

    Donot want anyone getting hurt but unless Kurchev is really ready I would rather have 12 17 other be made stay out there and see if they have pride to do so. I like them to. I mean if they wont engage in both EDM VEG then yea. Were making moves every summer now to get playoff style players.

    Thats why Bowman got the really good two way player Saad back. It wasnt just because of cap. Thats the big difference to me and previous 2016/& 17 is not haveing 20 81 4 anymore and having 72 12 others.

    Got to get back to the basics of acquiring the 20 kind of guys back.

  55. There is one guy that would make a difference like Hossa did when we signed him, and he just looks and plays like a Blackhawk – Taylor Hall. He is a UFA, will cost a shit-load, but we have to manage the cap to get that guy on our team!

  56. Tommy, find a way to move Seabrooks contract and well on the way to have room. Couple of years time may get dicey with another big contract right now.

    Miroslav that’s the frustrating part of a youth movement, you can’t will them to be develop, it just takes time. Dach taking big steps, defense takes longer. Hard to give up on elc players, may come back to bite you.

  57. Thanks Tab for this forum. And thanks to everybody for keeping it pretty much politics free.

    With regards to the game – Tab’s post (2nd on the thread) is spot on with regards to a lot of what is happening right now. 27 is playing at a level that just can’t be sustained in the playoffs. I can give him slack in regular season, but he is pretty brutal out there right now. And again – I absolutely think that pairing him with 2 already asks too much of him, and their plus/minus says how effective they have been. It’s time to move Koekkoek up to play with Keith and put Boqvist in the last pairing where he has a stay at home guy to bring some stability to his ice time. This kid looks destroyed out there and say what you want about him getting playoff experience – I don’t see how getting your ass kicked every shift helps him. Players need to be in positions to succeed, especially when young, and he is not in such a position. We wrecked Joki, Forsling, TVR and so on, by putting them in positions they just couldn’t sustain positive results at an early age. His play is screaming to coaches to please give me other responsibilities. PLEASE! This kid isn’t Macar or Ekblad. He needs some place to be hidden so he can get his skates back under him. Notice that 2 and 27 haven’t been starting the game lately? Because you can’t look at them as a top pair – but 5 and 44 you can (and they are really only a 3+4 pairing). Personally, I think the best thing to do with him is get him to Rockford for a couple of months, told that when he can show that he is a confident and responsible Dman that he will be back with the big club. He needs reps with structure and less pressure. The game will be slower for him in Rockford and he will gain confidence much quicker. He has lost the ability to be helpful while on the ice for us. Don’t destroy him too. Nobody knows what he can be 3 years from now, but on this track – probably another Forsling or Joki or TVR.

    We are getting beat by a professional hockey team, built to play in the postseason and with enough swagger and firepower to win it all.

    Boys vs men right now. Changing lines isn’t our problem. Being under-powered, outsized and having only half a defensive corp does come to my mind. And Crow just isn’t good enough to overcome our inefficiencies 4 times in 7 games.

    We could have gotten experience by losing against EDM, but – well – EDM is EDM. We needed the better drafting positions than we needed to win that round.

    Will Delia be ready next year? We need a kid goalie in the NHL for sure. At least one.

  58. Maybe the goalie is the draft player and we add two elite ufa players when timing is right. Get one this summer with moving not longterm players and then another once were free of other caphits. The space is there and we have to make the moves or well be like TOR or other top teams that a really good at OFF or DEF but the other side is to weak.

  59. Major difference between 9/10th pick and 24-28th. My worst nightmare was seeing EDM DAL when they did this world cup tournament. Seeing the 4and5/12 seed thing. Thank god they reseed or were picking 24th. Got to get those top 5/10 skill draft players every time we deserve to and can.

    We can get the lottery and get the 2nd or 3rd pick in next yrs draft. That would make up/balance it.

  60. Seems there are of people on this site who have decided that Saad is the best player on the Hawks for playoff hockey . Cant believe I’m reading this tripe. After blowman traded Bread for him it’s been all downhill. As long as Stanley is gm and players like Tevo, Hayes, Bread, Danalt, Buff, Hjarlmarson, Leddy and Kepney are sent packing, it’s not getting any better, get used to it

  61. sigh…when Teuvo was traded, he was 21 and looked soft as silk against St. Louis in the 2016 playoffs..he definitely didn’t look like the type of player who would be able to play top line minutes anytime soon..but players develop, they mature physically, etc..same with Danault at the trade deadline that same year..looked like a solid 3rd or 4th line prospect but at 22, he hadn’t shown that he could play in the top six and he appeared to be expendable as the Hawks focused on another deep playoff run..Hawks fans love to daydream about how our team would look with both of them still with the team, but in 2016, neither looked like a future top six fixture..it would probably be a mistake to assume that Nylander, Cat, Strome and Boqvist have reached their ceilings at 21,22,23, and 19 respectively..I for one have no problem watching them develop..and unfortunately for Hawks fans who are looking for a fire sale, here’s a bit of bad news..this is, for the most part, the exact same team we’ll be watching next year..probably no Smith or Maatta, but except for Suter, the forward group will be very similar..this is a rebuild, and with a flat cap it will be awhile before the tide turns.. sometimes it just doesn’t quite appear to be one because Toews, Kane, and Keith still occupy a good portion of the cap and because Bowman can’t pot commit to a full rebuild..so he continues to waste cap space on veterans that won’t make a significant difference to the team(De Haan, Maatta, Shaw, etc)..now glass half full, there is a lot of help on the way regarding the defense and the bottom six forwards..it just takes time..

  62. Wait … so now that the Hawks beat the misfits from Edmonton, the primary objective has been changed from getting the kids experience to benching the kids for a better chance to beat Vegas? Hopefully not.

    Play the kids unless the coaches can tell the experience is hurting their development – regardless what the experts on hockey message boards think.

  63. Crow doesnt stay then were F at goalie and that and having the same group as young wave developes might be best thing for us. Were we have a bad record in the 80 games like this yr again and this time like a yr ago get the top 5 skill draft player. That is the best thing for us going forward.

    This thing was out ‘experience’ for the young players. Now lets get another top 5 skill draft player. And when the time is right, after next 3 yrs of virus salary cap, we ll be ready to add two elite ufa players. Right when the young wave is really ready.

    It was go for 4 in 6 yrs or keep Danault Hammer. We kind of kept Hammer until it was time. I donot think Bread Man had anything to di with it. It was time when we didnt keep Hammer Hoss Teravainen.

    Anyways the worse our 80 game record is these yrs the better we ll be when were back as a top team again. Top 5 or bottom 5 everything else is chump change.

  64. Why are there only two or three comments about how over his pretty little head Colliton is in every facet of coaching. His lines and pairings never change even in the face off things clearly not working. His matchups are clownshoes awful. His deployment of young talent does nothing to develop any skills, confidence, or cohesion. His defensive system is a joke and puts slow D men up on forwards inside the hawks own zone. The power play is awful but coasting on a strong month FROM LAST SEASON to avoid serious warranted criticism.

    No, this team probably isn’t good enough to beat a team like VGK in playoff games that matter. But do they have to look so outmatched in every aspect of the game? That’s also a big NO and you can lay that squarely at Colliton’s undoubtedly pedicured feet. Which is a further scathing indictment of Bowman. You don’t blame the idiot who gets hired, you blame the idiot who hired him.

  65. DeBrincat should be benched because he is not even serving his sole purpose on this team.He is a GOAL Scorer and should be piling up points on the powerplay.He and Kane have to be split up immediately.Strome is long overdue to be sat down.He cannot keep up with quick paced teams or really any teams.His skating and soft play negates anything positive that he may bring that I am missing.Boqvist is overwhelmed out there.Give Carllson a shot or even Beaudin.Give the wandering Duncan Keith a solid partner like DeHaan.I know they won’t consider it,but another soft goal given up by Crawford should earn him a long rest.Last nights couple that he let in were embarrassing and deflating.This team is in deep trouble in this series already.Vegas got nothing out of Stone,Pacioretti,Stasny,or Karllson and still coasted with little effort.Get Hagel and Kurashev out there NOW!Not saying they are saviors but some jump and enthusiasm would be refreshing to watch.

  66. I do want to see some other young wavers get games before game 4/5 so they get some. If this is about experience get evary that can play-good enough some/couple games. It would do each guy good.

  67. @EbonyRaptor
    Reason and reasonableness on a fan forum? Feels like a lot to ask. Since the Hawks are the youngest team in the playoffs, by a wide margin if I recall, isn’t this also part of their learning and development experience, getting bruised-up by a team full of men with man-strength? Really, what were the expectations? Rather than be disappointed or even angry about 19-21 year olds, where are these high-priced veterans of ours? For the sake of this series and franchise, we need to see more from them. Kane and ‘Cat need to score. Keith? We may miss having Seabrook in a series like this one.

    Anyway, Remember it was just Game 1 and the Hawks had chances and Crow was sloppy. Crawford will play better. The PK was good. They limited VGK chances nicely in the first 40 mins. Toews is the Cap’n and a gamer. With some tweaks and players rising to the challenge, they win a game or two in this series (which was the point of advancing for this team, playoff hockey, remember?)

    I think there’s a huge overreaction here.

  68. Aurora agree if Crawford stops a couple of shots he normally does, plus grade A chances buried by Toews and/or Kane could’ve changed the outcome. Not gonna start the doomsday clock yet, i’m pretty sure they have should a better effort coming today.

  69. AURORA,I respect your post and can appreciate reasonableness but I for 1 did,in the heat of a few moments after the Game 1 debacle,point the fingers directly at Toews,Kane,Keith,and Crawford.I also identified Strome,DeBrincat,Caggiula,and Nylander as providing nothing.Maybe you could argue that Nylander is in the kid group but the rest should be expected to rise above even the big and strong Vegas Golden Knights and make them work for it.I believe Boqvist is just physically overwhelmed against this team and is not benefiting from taking his beating.On the other hand for young guys like Kubalik and Dach this experience is great for them and the Hawks.Not lets get Hagel,Kurashev,and Carllson some experience also.

  70. Mo agree drafting a impact piece for the future is important, regardless of where 1st pick falls. Vegas is a tough team and somebody loses, just like Oilers that will br decided on the ice, not here or by management taking the game out of their hands, which would seem kinda messed up to me at this point, whether we approve or not, it is the playoffs of 2020.

  71. Good post Aurora….the first half of that game, the Hawks were right there with these guys. Both teams played good defense, but our offensive chances were one and done.

    Remember Crow is coming back from having Covid and didn’t have the kind of chance to get back in a groove during ‘training camp.’ Coming up to speed as a goalie DURING the playoffs is a tall order. But he will be better.

    To compete with Vegas, Colliton needs to figure a way out to unshackle Kane and get him going, and we need better goaltending. Get those two things and these games will be much more compelling and tight.

    I disagree with the constant complaining about Keith however. He is on the back nine of a first ballot hall of fame career. He is still our best defensemen by a wide margin. He is 37 years old though. If he is leaned on as our best defenseman still at this age, point the finger at management for not drafting any NHL defensemen between Hjarlmssonn and Boqvist.

    He was brilliant against Edmonton. He is playing with a guy who maybe should be developing in the AHL but they are closed for business. Do you think the fans in Colorado complained this much about a 40 year old Ray Bourque in 2001?

  72. Aurora, I agree there is overreaction. It happens – it’s kind of what fans do, after both wins and losses. Fanaticism and keeping a steady even keel usually don’t go together.

    I get caught up in the passions of the moment too, it’s hard not to, especially immediately after a game. I place way too much importance on everything Chicago Blackhawks. In my saner moments I realize excess and obsession are weaknesses I have. The better thing would be to enjoy the escapism during the game and then for the most part to leave it there until the next game. But here I am, typing away on a hockey forum instead of doing other things I could/should be doing. Escaping real life in moderation probably isn’t a bad thing, but doing so excessively isn’t a good thing. In other words, if I can’t control my excesses, who am I to think my opinions on things amount to a hill of beans? I’m just a run of the mill fanatic.

    But that said, my opinions are right because I say so … so there. R-a-s-p-b-e-r-r-i-e-s. :=)

  73. The “youngest team” thing is a bit of red herring when you consider it includes guys like Strome, DeCat, and Nylander none of whom project especially well right now. Dach for sure looks good; Boqvist maybe. Contrast that with the Canucks where the young guys like Pettersson, Hughes, and Horvat are already studs and the best players on their team and there is a big difference.

  74. @Why Not…I think Tim W is right about giving Kurashev, Carlsson, and Hagel a chance to see how well they play in pressure situations. There’s really no harm in letting Strome, Nylander, and Boqvist sit for a night. It will have a positive effect on all six players. I just want to see some passion out there, and those three that I mentioned are basically trying not to get hurt. Like I have indicated many times, Kurashev is a silver bullet, Hagel is effort and skill, while Carlsson has already shown that he can handle the load. Let the kids who we will be counting on in the years to come play, and the others have to learn how to play NHL hockey on a nightly basis!

  75. I like those other young players getting som egames to get the experience not to see how good they are now/where there at. Sure but seeing and playing one game in playoffs esp against a top 5 team that is huge for development.

    Now like someone/others else said it would have been better to learn/get experience and lose to EDM for that top 10 pick.

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