The Chicago Blackhawks Suck

The wheels are off. The milk’s gone bad. The Mayans were right.

2012 hates the Chicago Blackhawks.

On Saturday night, the Blackhawks lost for the eighth straight game. This time, they were shutout by the Phoenix Coyotes, and it was never close.

In the six games since the All-Star Break, Chicago has gone 0-5-1. What’s more concerning, though, is that the Hawks have been outscored 26-12 in those six games. The power play is 0-13 since the Break, and the penalty kill has only been able to handle 13 of 19 short-handed opportunities (68.4 percent).

All of those numbers can be summed up in one word: pathetic.

But it gets worse.

Everyone wants to point a finger at one person. Do we put it on the goaltenders? How about the coaches? Obviously the youngsters haven’t been playing well, right?

Look at what the Hawks have received, since the Break from these key forwards:

player GP G A Pts  +/-
Bolland 6 1 1 2 -5
Stalberg 5 1 1 2 -4
Toews 6 0 2 2 -2
Shaw 6 0 1 1 -5
Bickell 4 1 0 1 0
Hossa 6 0 0 0 -6
Morrison 5 0 0 0 -1
Brunette 5 0 0 0 -3
Frolik 4 0 0 0 -3
 Total 47 3 5 8 -29

That’s eight points from nine forwards. Four players, including All-Star Marian Hossa, have yet to register a point since the Break.

The production from the blue line is equally bad.

player GP G A Pts  +/-
Keith 6 0 2 2 -8
Hjalmarsson 4 0 2 2 -2
Leddy 6 0 1 1 -4
Lepisto 2 0 1 1 0
Montador 4 0 1 1 2
Scott 2 0 0 0 0
O’Donnell 4 0 0 0 -1
Olsen 2 0 0 0 -3
  30 0 7 7 -16

To summarize: the Chicago Blackhawks have received 15 points from 17 players since the All-Star Break. Those 17 players are minus-45 combined in the last six contests.

Add to the lack of offense up front the awful play between the pipes, and the story just continues to roll downhill.

Corey Crawford has a .852 save percentage since the Break with an 0-2-1 record. Ray Emery is now 0-3-0 since the Break, with an equally frustrating .870 save percentage.

So how should the Blackhawks try to get out of this funk?

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133 Responses to The Chicago Blackhawks Suck

  1. wall says:

    Tab, are you believer now?

    Are these Hawks worse than the 2011 team? mmmmm! YES!

  2. Tab Bamford says:

    Are they worse than last year? No.

  3. pete says:

    Tab are you ready yet to admit that the team is worse than last years playoff team? I think we need to get rid of the old slow players on their last legs who are ready to retire. I also think that John Scott needs to play a few shifts in the next game to stand up for Toews? The only reason Scotts on the team is to back up our skill players and he’s not out there? Play the youngsters, use Scott(just until teams stop beating up on Toews) and Mayers to fight back and lets see what happens. NO MORE SLOW OLD PLAYERS. I can’t take one more Brunette shift.

  4. pete says:

    Wall he won’t admit it. I wish we were wrong and Tab was right. Unfortunately, were right.

  5. Tab Bamford says:

    To Pete & wall & everyone else that wants to compare apples to oranges:

    No. I’m not going to say this year’s regular season team on Feb. 11 is worse that last year’s roster in the first round of the playoffs. Feel free to continue patting yourself on the back if that gives you comfort during this ridiculous losing streak, but I’m not going to concede this year’s roster as “worse” than last year until the regular season ends with the Blackhawks in 9th place. IF that happens, I’ll make the concession… but not until then (and I still doubt that happens).

  6. pete says:

    Since we took Vancouver to game 7 OT last year and they went to the finals, we have to make it to the second round this year to be objectively better. I really don’t like making this argument because I want the team to be better than last year. I think there was a miscalculation that we could add a few tough veterans and it would be a better mix with a trade deadline boost. But its not working because these veterans(except Mayers) are literally on their last legs and they are slow and minus Campbell we lost speed and skill on top of that. Lets get young and fast again and go for it. Anyone agree or disagree. I’m no expert just a fan.

  7. Dean Johnson says:

    Someone needs to tell Crow and Emery to keep their net. Was at the SJ game and Crawford would have atleast had a shot at stopping 2 of the 5 if he hadn’t been lost outside the crease. Emery gave up another like that tonight, and have seen examples of it in every game since the break.

    Not the solution to all the Hawks’ problems, but something that should be addressed.

  8. Tab Bamford says:

    If we’re going to make an appropriate comparison, pete, it’s looking at where the team was 12 months ago to today. And this year’s team is better than it was last year at this time.

    I would also go as far as to say this roster, on paper (not necessarily execution), is better than the team that took Vancouver 7. The only player that’s worse than the team who played Vancouver is Crawford (which is a major consideration mind you). Kruger and Smith were regulars in that series and how many NHL games had either played in their career? And Leddy? I will give you that we haven’t replaced Campbell, and agree that each passing power play with 0-1 shots makes that deal look worse, but I cannot chalk up the cap space created by that deal until the deadline is long gone. There are a lot of variables that go into a season, pete, and we need to consider those before abusing hyperbole to the point that we’re longing for Fernando Pisani

  9. Nick says:

    I disagree that this years squad is worse than last years. Last years team (in my opinion) overachieved in the Vancouver series. I think the mere thought of being swept by Vancouver rallied that team from down 0-3. Do we have some problems that need fixing? Absolutely. Did some of the players that we signed this year not produce like we thought they would? Yep on that one too. But down the road I would he more than willing to bet that we end the season in 6th place. (Or higher)

  10. pete says:

    I appreciate your point Tab, but I am looking at it chronologically. Game 7 of last years playoffs was our last game last year and I am comparing that roster to the team we have right now. I thought Pisani sucked all last year along with Boynton and Cullimore so that won’t be argued by me. I thought on balance by the end of last year we had very good speed and skill. Why else did we give so much trouble to Vancouver. We almost had them. They were absolutely reeling. Maybe a trade before the deadline will change the balance using the cap space, but we could end up giving up too much of the future to make a deal even if we find someone. I am just disappointed by this strategy of grabbing these old slow guys because I feel like its changing our team game. And I thought that last years playoff team on balance was exciting and highly skilled. Those blowout games against Vancouver were awesome. Its just disappointing.

  11. pete says:

    I hope your right Nick. I am buying my playoff tickets this week. The invoices were already sent out.

  12. I’m hard pressed to cite another pro team in any sport that has had a similar, head scratching drop off in performance. Everything goes against them now on top of all their other obvious (and maybe some not so obvious) problems. I find it hard to believe that the core group that was so much on the come in 09-10, wins it all in 10-11, and almsot pulls off a series upset in Round 1 vs. the then Cup favorite last year can look so inept at certain times and is generally outplayed during other stretches. This team is absolutely perplexing.

  13. Tab Bamford says:

    @Greg: look back about 3 months at the now-Super Bowl Champion NY Giants. They lost 4 in a row (a quarter of their season!) & people were talking about dumping their coach, too… Whelp, they got their junk right & got rings. Not hard to find a high profile example of the same thing

  14. pete says:

    Tab, do you agree with me on the slow veteran thing? Also, shouldn’t Scott have been out there tonight to protect Toews? Lastly, is signing Weber in the off season beyond a longshot.

  15. Brad Stevenson says:

    The fact of the matter is, we are HEAVILY tied to this core group…and of our core players, only Toews, Sharp and Hossa have lived up to what we are paying them. And now Hossa has disappeared.

    Kane, Keith and Seabrook are simply not the same players they used to be. Keith’s problems seem permanent…if so, we are paying #1 money to a 3rd DMan AT BEST. Similar situation for Seabrook, he is no longer an elite #1 type DMan, he is a 2nd DMan at best…and Patrick Kane…WOW…I have never been a huge fan of Kane, but even I am shocked by how bad/useless he has become.

    To think, we could have pulled the trigger with Kane for either Perry or Nash…and yet, didn’t…again, WOW.

    Either these 3 players miraculously begin to earn their salaries, or we will be forced to trade some or all of them to effect meaningful change here. In particular Patrick Kane, as I have stated here AD NASEUM, Kane’s style of play (for what we pay him) can no longer be tolerated here.

    And the goaltending is a train wreck. IMO, this season is over.

  16. Tab Bamford says:

    @pete – yes, there’s a speed issue. But w/ that in mind, not sure how skating Scott helps the situation. Either we have an enforcer or we fly up & down the ice; Ben Eager isnwalking out of the dressing room. And Shea Weber’s going to be a RFA, so that’s an infinitely long shot

  17. pete says:

    What does IMO stand for?

  18. pete says:

    Just thinking out loud. If Weber is not signed before he is an RFA, couldn’t we put a huge offer out there on him because a lot of cap space comes off our team with the contracts on these veterans we have. Nashville may not be able to match or if they do their team could fall apart due to economic issues and something else might open up. Maybe the NHL isn’t that cutthroat, but I feel like SJ did that to us with Hjarmlson.

  19. KC Hawk says:

    Who cares if this team is worse than last year or better? Makes no difference .

    What matters is that once gain the Hawks came out flat and watched Phoenix skate . Why the hell do we have a coach ? What’s his job ? Clearly this team has tuned out the coaches . Dump Q.

    Did Kane play tonight ? I did not notice him on the ice .

    Lepisto did not look as bad as I had expected .

    Olsen looks like he has a lot of upside . Let’s keep him up on the club and bring up Hayes.

    I think we should bench Kane for a few games and give him the message . Lord knows we would not miss him right now .

    I don’t think the Hawks will finish the season with more than 90 points.

    Look at the standings — — we are a few points from 10 th place . We belong there .

  20. Brad Stevenson says:

    In My Opinion the Hawks have serious problems Pete…

  21. Pete says:

    Thanks Brad. I couldn’t figure out the acronym. I say go young and emphasize speed and if teams try to rough us up bring in Scott to retaliate. Hopefully we only end up playing Scott once every 5 or 6 games. Bring up Hayes and Smith, keep Olsen here and get rid of Brunette. OD is fine for the seventh defenseman switching in with Montador. Hopefully, we can add somebody at the deadline(our draft picks are becoming more valuable)but not if it means overpaying for some over the hill guy.

  22. No way says:

    For anyone to think this is okay needs their head examined. I also don’t care if the team is better than last years team. It’s pointless to argue, however progress does need to be shown. The talent on this team is high but since it appears we are in a tailspin , the blame squarely falls on team management.

    Q & Kitch need to pack it in, and Stanbo’s on the clock now.

    It’s crunch time so we will see what this new organization is all about.

  23. Ryan says:

    Since apparently everyone is ready for the Playoffs to start today so we can see whose right and wrong on whether the 2010-2011 version or 2011-2012 version of the Chicago Blackhawks is better lets see:

    Bracket
    1 – DET VS 8 – PHX
    4 – StL VS 5 – Nash

    3 – San Jose VS 6 – CHI
    2 – VAN VS 7 – LA

    Some Contend that a major determining factor is getting out of 1st round, I’d sign for this playoff scenario right now. Especially after watching the game Fri, I think our boys filed that one away.

  24. Ryan says:

    No Way – I was posting when you typed that. I completely agree, pre trade deadline, with 2 months left too many variables to go there.

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  26. wall says:

    Regarding: which Team is better?

    Of course we are comparing apples to oranges… But it is nice and fun to start the ball rolling for discussion purposes. Only time will tell who is right, and even then perhaps all that can be concluded is that the other Teams are better than last year!

    It has been my point all year- that we are too top heavy/CORE heavy- and if that highly paid CORE is underperforming- we are screwed. Brad has captured it again…
    Before the Cup run, freinds and I would talk about “who is your favorite Hawk/best Hawk”…. I never included Kane or Keith in my top 5 discussion- everyone else did!

    My point on 2011 team or 2012- which is better? Kane, Keith, Frolik, Bickell- all worse! and 2 are CORE 6 Million$$$$$! Less Brouwer and Soupy!

    Adding to Brad’s comments- I think Keith’s and Kane’s problem’s are permanent! Keith and Kane are not even able to get shot’s thru to the Goalies- all frickin year- either the supporting cast (or lack of) is the blame- or they are the blame (guess it could be coaching scheme- but coaches are the same!). In Kane’s case- I hope he is just making so much money doing T.V.- that it is purely time away from ice causing him to whiff at pucks – then again if that is the cause the- do you really want a POS like that!!! I have always considered Kane a PP/4 on 4 player… and worse than our PP- is the fact that he is invisible in 4 on 4 hockey- I don’t see this as a slump- either he isn’t the same- or he needs a huge supporting cast like 2010 team!

    The point is we need to measure team against something to guage what direction we are going in and make future decisions. With today’s Cap you can’t afford to have special Team’s players making 6 Mill ( and not even contributing there!)

    The schedule is only getting tougher!

  27. Tom Jaremka says:

    Well, boys………..I know everyone is calling for Q’s head, right now, but the question is, “who would replace him”? Maybe we need a younger coach with a different message. It’s possible that he has become “to close” to some of these players and he has “favorites” on this roster.

    Stalberg deserved to be benched for his knucklehead play that put Duncan Keith in a bad spot and led to a turn over, the other night. But Kane deserved to be benched for leaving the zone, early, in the Calgary game. Not once, but TWICE!! He wasn’t benched. Crawford deserved to be pulled in the San Jose game because he keeps losing his net, over playing players going around the net and his inability to track pucks from the points. Hossa, on the PK, is overpursuing the point men, trying to pick off a pass for a short handed chance. This isn’t a bad idea, but it has lead to (2) goals because he is OUT OF POSITION on the PK. He should be benched, too. In San Jose, Toews was being molested by a player and Kane skated right by like he was late for a date. He should be benched.

    Maybe the message from Q is, “I only bench the non-stanley cup winning players”. Crawford has been pulled a few times, this year, so maybe Q is trying to get him some confidence. Whatever Q is doing, it’s not working, right now.

    As a fan and a hockey player, I feel bad for these guys. Every little thing that happens, ends up in their net. I believe that they are all giving a strong effort, but it seems that the harder they try, the worse it gets. Nobody likes to lose, especially professional athletes. This has got to be killing them, inside. Guys like Sharpy, Seabrook, Mayers, Hossa and O’donnell…….these are are long time veteran’s who pride themselves on being prepared and playing a complete game. This has got to be killing these guys!!

    All we can do as fans is support our players the best we can and hope they can figure it out. Believe me, Bowman and Q can do anything they want, but it’s going to be the players who figure it out and get it done.

  28. shamrock says:

    Brad is right about Keith and Seabrook. A few articles back I wrote that the Hawks need to go after Weber. Even though that means Seabrook or Keith would have to be dealt as part of that deal. So the trade would be Seabrook Keith, a prosepct , and maybe a draft pick. As long as the trade doesnt involve either Hayes, or McNeill it has to be done.

    As this losing streak continues both Seabrook and Keith are dropping in value. If we are going to trade with the Preds they have to believe that the drop off in talent between are two top d-men and Weber isnt so great that getting either one of our guys doesnt take them out of the playoff picture. Weber changes the tone of our defense immediately and will make Keith or Seabrook, which everone is still here, better. Also if we need to make another move Hjalmarsson would be available. The porblem now is would Weber find Chicago an attractive destination since we are now playing like crap.

  29. shamrock says:

    Just a thought, but could the worst move the Hawks made was getting rid of Dale Tallon?

  30. Andrew says:

    No question Kitch needs to go and a trade is needed to shake things up. we’ll find out what this front office is made of soon enough. personally, i wouldn’t mind trading kane for the right players but it can’t be for considerably less than his worth. we aren’t THAT desperate

  31. Andrew says:

    i haven’t seen much from anybody on this team, except toews, hossa, to make them untradable. everyone else is expendable. as much as i love sharp he has a ton a value too. we can’t fall in love with our cup winning core we need to do what’s good for the team’s future

  32. Bonehead says:

    I agree with Shamrock, biggest loss from the Cup championship was Tallon.

    The argument on whether this team is better or worse than last year is irrelvant, the key is it’s under performing. That means something has to change. Generally that means a coaching change, although that would require a GM making a bold move. Doesn’t seem like that will happen soon. Who really is running the hockey side of this organization?

  33. joey Zamboni says:

    There are HUGE problems in that locker room right now. There definitely is preferential treatment going on. Some players, OK most of the players have a short leash & don’t get much forgiveness when they make a mistake, the so called “CORE” players however are treated differently & are given chance after chance & still get the ice time when they make a mistake….. Those of you that have played or been around the game coaching or officiating know what I mean…….

  34. Pete says:

    The only reason the “this year vs. last year” argument is relevant is because its a criticism or defense of the decisions made on who we brought in and sent off from last year. I don’t like the offseason moves except for Mayers. In fact, we have been getting steadily worse since we won the cup and thats the point I have been trying to make. I realize the salary cap problems, but I would rather go with younger players around our core than the old slow vets on their last legs. Hindsight is 20/20, but thats how people are judged in sports. I don’t mind overpaying for someone if their good. Thats why I’m upset about the Campbell/Montador swap. We had/have two overpaid players. One good and one not good. I say throw money at Weber as an RFA and force him from Nashville. They won’t be able to pay him like we can once we clean up our roster and fill it out with younger players with skill and drive. Bowmans talent may be more drafting so lets play that out and sign players closer to sure things as free agents.

  35. Ryan says:

    So if I am reading these messages correctly – Our fans want our players to show up to work with their hardhat and lunch bucket. Also to realize there is one rope that needs to be pulled in the same direction. However, the team is pulling the rope in multiple directions and showing up to work like Roger Dorn did to Spring Training in Major League. Is that about right?

  36. Barry Brown says:

    Maybe this late season swoon was in the cards all along. The team did have a problem playing 3 solid periods from the get go this year. Special teams, goaltending, soft play(not finishing checks) are starting to catch up with this team. The hawks have not had a shut out yet and have been shut out a whole bunch this season. That is a sign of problems playing focused hockey, a thing you could indict a young inmature team for but this team is seasoned, so why are the hawks suffering from a lack of focus?

    Maybe there getting pissed with Q’s incessant line juggling. What kind of message does this send to the players? Last night even Pat Foley mentioned that Q was doing this in the game earlier than usual. He sent Toews, Frolik and, I think Bickell over the boards early in the first period. Seems like Q is getting desperate and picking line combos out of a hat – he is certainly not instilling confidence in his team, that much is very clear.

    And this team is defintiely having an identity crisis? When they were scoring in bunches, they were competitive and winning more than they were losing. Playing a one dimensional game like this though is dangerous and we are now seeing the shortcomings of this approach.

    Teams need to be playing their best hockey at this point in the season. After 56 games all systems should be ‘purring and humming’, but I just hear a lot of knocking going on.

    The coaches have to settle everyone down and lay out a simple plan for the rest of the way, that is what they are paid to do. Fix one problem at a time and build from there. And for Gods sake start with special teams!! Both PP and PK are embarrassing, I would rather see them playing even strength than have a PP.

    And I don’t think the hawks should be buyers at this time, because the only single move in terms of personnel changes, that could really help would be a red hot goalie and I don’t see any team parting ways with their number one goalie.

  37. Glenn says:

    This has now turned into a snowball rolling down hill. A descending spiral of frustration for players and fans alike. We fans wring our hands and gnash our teeth and “demand” this thing or that thing change, but the more important activity is that it now appears the players are trying to do too much instead of “just doing their job”.

    Kane is probably the poster boy for this phenomonen. Kane’s focus is on trying to be the hero to score the goal that turns things around instead of just being one of the cogs in the machine that stops the other team from scoring. So he hangs close to the blue line for the possible outlet pass instead of staying between his man and the net.

    I disagree with the opinion Kane of any of the core should be traded. Elite level skill can’t be taught and is difficult to acquire in trade. What needs to happen is attitude change and for that to happen the culture needs to change. I’ve been a Q fan and still am, but it’s well known he, like most other coaches, handles star players with a light hand even when a heavy hand is called for. Q benched Kane and Sharp for part of one game a couple years ago and it almost made the national news. It’s past time for someone in a leadership position to get some minds straight and apparently that isn’t something Q is willing or able to do.

    Is it the right time to make a seismic change? Bringing in a hard ass coach with 20-some games left to crack the whip and demand discipline may help right the ship in terms of attitude but attitude adjustment is probably just the first step in getting this team viable again. Should a new coach come in, and go all in now, or would it make more sense for the new regime to take over in the offseason when they would have a clean slate to work with?

  38. Barry Brown says:

    In short to answer the question posed by Tab, “How to the hawks get out of this funk?” and to lighten things up a little I have this to say:

    Definitely do not panic and make any foolish trades. On that front I say the hawks stay the course, and at most bring up some of the rookies that deserve a promotion. I think we all know who the demoted should be, but I will include the names just the same.

    Going down we have:
    1) Everyones favorite whipping boy, Brian “I can’t sacrifice for team, job or country” Bickell;
    2) Micheal “I’ll hack your head off and take four in the box” Frolik;
    3) Andrew “I was never asked to skate like this in Minny” Brunette
    4) Cory “I can’t get no satisfaction” Crawford

    Coming up we have(excuses the hockey nick names, haven’t seen much of these players):
    1) Jimmy “The intimidator” Hayes
    2) Brandon”I’m one of five Brandons from Rockford” Pirri (Truly there is five)
    3)Jeremy “I got more in the tank than Bickell” Morin
    4) Alexandar “I gave Razor a run for his money” Salak

    Shake up baby!! At this point we may as well roll the dice and see what comes out!

  39. Canes Dad says:

    Not only has this team done a complete 180 from how they started the season, their (Quenville’s) style of play is boring to watch — at least for an old time fan like me. These guys didn’t suddenly become bad players overnight — and all at the same time.
    This problem is about coaching and leadership, not about personnel.

    This “team” (which is a misnomer for whatever this group is) hardly ever wins a board battle, only a handful of players on the team finish checks, and only one defenseman that consistently plays (Seabrook) protects his goaltender. No wonder poor Crawford is having problems. This poor kid doesn’t know whether to stop the pock or look for the pepper spray the way he gets mugged in the crease every night.

    And it seems that any player that takes a penalty once too often finds themselves banished to the bench. Bickell is a case in point. Here is a big strong 6’4″ player that gets sat for a while if he takes a run at a guy and gets a penalty. Then, the following week, he gets benched or send to Rockford for not being physical enought. These guys don’t know what their role is, and Q is so busy changing the lines around that these guys are afraid to go out there and just play, not to mention they never know who else is on the ice with them.

    Even John Scott, on the rare occasion that he sees the ice, is playing much more tentatively because God forbit he gets a penalty. He Q – Stupid — that’s what Scott is here for. Bottom line is that Q neuters his players by his coaching style.

    As a fan, I would rather watch 80 games by a team that misses the playoffs but competes and plays with an edge every night than watch this cycling, non-physical mess for a few games more if they do happen to make the playoffs. This is still a spectator sport and spectating this mess has become akin to gong to the dentist.

  40. KC Hawk says:

    All said , Cane’s Dad. !!

    We need to change coaches . Without the greatest roster in the league ( as we had 2010 ) , Coach Q cannot do the job .

    Time to dump him . We are not going to make the playoffs anyhow so let’s start cleaning house now —coaches and players . Look at the difference the right coach has made in St Louis and in Ottawa. Come on Stanley –start earning your pay !!!

  41. Pete says:

    With the Hawks in a free fall in the standings and no end in sight until we play Columbus again, it would seem that our draft picks are becoming more valuable for picking prospects or to be used as trade bait at the deadline. Is this draft deep? Probably reaching, but I am looking for something positive here.

  42. Logan Reilly says:

    Thanks for that headline, Tab. It made me laugh.

  43. Ryan says:

    This can’t be all Q’s fault. In fact if players are questioning the Coach, I question them. The players can suggest change and talk with their coach, but until the coach changes things the players shouldn’t have the autonomy to do what they see fit. Why is this “sense of Entitlement” so rampant in our society? People need focus less on being Entitled and more on their Responsibilities. This apply’s to the Chicago Blackhawks as well.

    Until Coach Q isn’t the coach, he is still the coach. And if any of our players Star or Otherwise complain and refuse to do what he asks then I hope Q does this

  44. Ryan says:

    Would the Bulls players get away with some of the BS that the Blackhawks players are? Thibs would flip out

  45. Ryan says:

    It is ok to challenge some of the things Q is doing. I just got worked up reading all the people calling for his head. I don’t like that at all especially during the season.

  46. Timothy Heitman says:

    Who should replace coach Q– Stan’s dad- He knows a few things about coaching and could quietly go when a replacement is found after the playoffs if they occur. And if they win it all with scotty? good problem to have.

  47. Canes Dad says:

    I don’t like losing 8 in a row with an unispired, passionless group of young millionaires even more. The GM’s job is to put good players on the ice. I think Bowman has done that. It’s the coach’s job to get those players to play inspired, passionate, team hockey. IMHO, Q has *not* done that. Not even close.

    When *is* the “proper” time to call for the coaches head? After 10 consecutive losses? 13 losses? 20? Maybe after the season, and after we’be blown a chance to compete in the postseason? Maybe when it’s convenient for the coach to relocate? When ticket sales drop by 20%?

    I say it’s when your team: 1) stops competing, and 2) stops looking like a cohesive unit, which for this team was about 20 games ago.

    Barry Trotz and his group of mostly late round draft picks and castoffs from other teams take the Hawks to school, and to the woodshed, whenever we play them. We are consistently outhit, outworked and outhustled, and they beat us — for those reasons. It’s not good enough to deke out Chevy Traverses on TV and wear capes at the al-star game. You have to pay the price on the ice every game. Trotz gets his guys to give a consistent effort game after game. That is what the coach’s job is. To get his group to play hard and pllay together.

    Our coach is not doing that. Period.

  48. Ryan says:

    The “Proper” time for a Cup winning Coach is on the offseason, Not during the Freaking Season!!!!!!!!!! Show him some respect. you can question his tactics and the players can offer suggestions, but they have no place to show disrespect and neither do we. Honestly if these players are disrespecting Q why would a logical and rational individual think that would change under a new Coach.

    I am a Chicago Bears Fan and thought it was a crock that the NY Giants fans did Tom Coughlin like they did only to jump back on the band wagon late this past year. Especially, when u consider Coughlin took over Giants when Lovie took over Bears.

  49. wall says:

    Great 1st post Canes Dad- really agree with the “not enjoying watching this team play”

    It is getting tougher and tougher to watch this gutless, heartless, and pulseless team play… but the recent beatings that Toews has taken… JUST SAD!!!
    Lack of goal scoring can be just tough luck at some points in the season… but this team just no longer has the will, desire, or the guts. When Kruger becomes the team’s only true net presence… what does this say about the toughness and heart of this team??? I guess the rest of the league hasn’t read the Chicago papers, don’t they know we have a great CORE of speed and talent ( that can’t score a goal 5 on 4, or 4 on 4)… OR maybe they just don’t give a crap about the CORE and its legend. Or maybe the rest of the league is playing its heart out for the Fame and Fortunes of our CORE.
    Maybe the rest of the league knows they can take the heart and fight out of our team with a couple early cheap shots on our Captain… and giggle about it on the bench.

    It is getting hard to watch this team!

    The Hawks have quit on someone… don’t know if it is on one or all of Coaches, or GM (for letting some players go)…

  50. wall says:

    Canes Dad- you get the posts of the day!

    Agree- it is getting hard to watch this heartless, gutless, ball-less, pulseless group play while other teams beat your Captain like a frickin Pinyata and the “CORE” skates by wearing leotards and a Superman Cape while eating a box of Lemonheads.

  51. Ryan says:

    Wall – What papers the rest of the League isn’t reading say we are great, have a great core with talent and Speed?

    Everytime you pick up the Trib or tune into CTL on Comcast Chicago that isn’t it. Kuc, Foltman, etc aren’t honks. Who exactly are u referring to Wall? I’d like to read or listen to them, then maybe I’d feel the same way

  52. Ryan says:

    These 2 articles are from today calling for Q’s head and you think you are being

    So this trib writer says A change has to come for the Blackhawks

    Should the Hawks consider Firing Q

    Where are these homer articles? In fact the Chicago media is and has been turning into the NY media (in regards to Coughlin) in the last 7-10 days. It is disgusting.

  53. Ryan says:

    sorry Brad… didn’t mean to repost but we are on same page

  54. Brad Stevenson says:

    Tracey Myers, Chris Boden and John Jaeckel are just posted articles on the fact that massive change has to come for the Blackhawks…whether it is a new coach, or a huge multi player deal (yes please), something has to give…because here is the thing…NOTHING IS IMPROVING…NOTHING…and that is on the coach…in fact Q reminds me a lot of Bryan Bickell lately…he knows his job is on the line and he really hasn’t got desperate to make changes that stick with this team…which can only mean that he has lost the room…you can take it from there…

  55. Ryan says:

    I posted the link to the ESPN article as well 4 mins after u that is what I apologized for

    Being critical of the tactics is one thing. Calling for the head of a coach during the season reeks of desperation. Why are we so desperate? Have we turned into Boston or NY fans? Are so freaking spoiled after winning the cup that we only had patience to wait one more season for another? Personally winning the Cup buys you tie in my book maybe I am way way out of the loop.

    A coach that has made playoffs 3 times in 3 yrs, has made West Finals 1 yr and Won a cup with this team in 2 of last 3 years, has that team in the playoffs this year going for 4-4 as of today and still has the trade deadline coming to change the dynamic of the team deserves a little more respect than some are showing. What am I saying? He doesn’t deserve it, HE HAS EARNED IT.

    I am not saying we are playing great at the moment, but I also think, no I know, there are very few teams in this League that can lose 8 straight, taking 1 point from 16 possible, and still be in the playoff hunt solidly.

    It is a fluid situation and far too early to write the season off. Can it get worse? Yes. Can it get better? Yes. But Q has earned the right to be the guy that either does or doesn’t turn it around this year.

    In through the nose, out through the mouth people.

  56. KC Hawk says:

    It IS time to fire Q. I agree with Brad-again .

    The lack of heart , drive, guts , spirit and lack of balls on this team directly reflect the coach .

    He has to go now .

    It is time for Stan to earn his pay and pull the trigger …. NOW BEFORE IT GET ANY LATER !

  57. Tom Jaremka says:

    I just read the Duncan Keith article in the Sun Times. It sounds to me like there are a few players who are NOT pulling on the rope with some other players. It also sounds like Q is on the hot seat. If this is the truth and some players are reluctant to do what it takes to win, then Q has to bench them. However, it may be too late. Benching should have been done when this season started and, although we were winning games, we looked like crap. Keith said that there are players who need to “do what it takes to win games”. Maybe it’s time that someone in that locker room steps up and calls out some of these slugs. Eight losses is a little ridiculous!

  58. KC Hawk says:

    It is the coach’s job to hold players accountable . Q has not done it this season or last . Enough is enough . He has to go . HE IS the problem and the players know it , but cannot say so in public .

    Fire the slug and throw the kitchen out with him ! PLEASE !

  59. James M says:

    A month ago, I thought the lackadaisical approach of the ‘hawks – e.g., their shoddy defense – could be more or less attributed to lack of the right players and lack of motivation given the time of season. But now, with the playoff race heating up, and our playing cooling down, it’s becoming harder to stay the thought that something is fundamentally wrong. Certainly Q’s leniency earlier in the year is looking like a mistake, at the very least. It looked smart when it appeared that we would have a rested team come this time of year. Now, well, we just seem to be still napping.

  60. Tab Bamford says:

    The comments about Quenneville are making me both laugh & sick at the same time. This organization goes 15 years without being relevant & this guy brings us a Cup & three straight postseasons and all of you jackals want him run out the door because they’re in 6th place in the Conference? I understand losing 8 straight has its consequences, but the comments you’re making (fire the slug?) Comes across as clueless. If you cite Jesse Rogers, who’s 4 days late to the Adrian Dater fire Q party, as a “legitimate” place for the Fire Q bandwagon being legit, I’ll laugh

  61. James M says:

    I at least haven’t said fire Q, only that coaching – by which I mean the whole staff, not just Q – is culpable in this free fall.

  62. KC Hawk says:

    once more clearly :TIME TO FIRE Q.

  63. Brad Stevenson says:

    I don’t know which way for this organization to go Tab, but there is a clear cut opinion across the league and all the talking heads surrounding it, that Q should be held accountable…now, if the Hawks start winning this week, then likely his job will be safe until the end of the season, but if he loses 9 and then 10 in a row…something will be done…and YOU KNOW IT…

    The title of this article alone screams that you know this…you are literally the only Hawk pundit that has not come out and stated the obvious…and that is not necessarily taking sides…it is simply calling out the obvious…Q is a day late and a dollar short with making changes to this team, and that 10 losses in a row, making it 12 on the road, will be more than ANYONE in this organization will be prepared to take.

    And while we are on this subject Tab, let’s call it like it is…for over a year it has been clear to me that there is some level of discord between Q and Bowman…similar to the relationship of Billy Beane and Art Howe…Beane wanted his team to go in a certain direction and therefore brought in certain players…Art Howe controlled the daily lineup and slated the team that he wanted to see day in and day out…Beane got rid of the players that Howe steadfastly decided to play, and then he got rid of Howe…

    Now is their relationship this bad??? I don’t know, but watching Sami Lepisto play quite decent the last 2 games, and Q sitting him for something like 30 straight, plus Q’s odd fascination with Jon Scott, there is loads of evidence to suggest this rift. So I don’t think that Stan Jr. or Stan Sr. will have much difficulty letting go Q if the streak hits 10…

    I think that is the lucky number…if the Hawks don’t find a way to win either one of their next 2 difficult road games, then Q is done.

    And I will suggest it again…you know this…

  64. Tab Bamford says:

    This article screams for the PLAYERS to produce on the ice, Brad. If you read this and thought “gee, the coach is an idiot” then I really can’t help you.

    & if I’m the only pundit saying Quenneville shouldn’t/won’t lose his job during the season, I take that as a compliment.

    To your comparison to Beane/Howe – Bowman hasn’t dumped the guys Quenneville over plays or refuses to play… because there isn’t a trade market right now. The wolves hating Bowman for not making a move are failing to realize that it takes 2 to make a deal happen, and Quenneville can only play the guys he’s been given. The recent comments of Duncan Keith indicate to me that the issues is between the players, not between the players & Q or Q & Bowman. What I’m begging for, and have been all season, is that the PLAYERS DO THEIR JOB.

  65. ray says:

    If 10 games in a row is the “lucky number” and Q if canned, how will that help the team win more games? At this point, the only thing that is known for certain is that the team is not playing confidently and that the holes in the lineup have been exposed. Beyond that, everything is conjecture at best. Rumor and speculation have run rampant, and the prototypical Chicago fan is ‘reaching’ for a remedy by having the coaching staff or GM fired, or players waived, reassigned, or traded.

    But realistically, with 26 games left to play, how would firing Q remedy the problems with the team. If you bring a new coach with 26 games left to play, how will the team learn a new system with a limited number of practices? How will the locker room react to a new coach, or more importantly the loss of a presumably respected coach in Q? At a minimum I would speculate that no less than half the team is still following Q’s lead (with the rationale that if less than half still supported his message, the entire team would not be trying and vocal infighting would become public). So if Q is replaced, a divide in the locker room would occur (if it has not begun already).

    I think dramatic change needs to occur, but changing head coaches this late in the game seems like a poor approach. I am all for accountability, and feel that Q might end up as the scapegoat in the offseason, but that should not be a viable option when the Hawks are still in the playoff picture.

    If there are not suitable trade options/partners, make adjustments in house. bring in some talent from Rockford. Give Hayes more ice time. Get some icetime for Morin, and maybe Beach (he cannot be worse than Bickell can he?). Bring up Salak for a different look in net.

    It has been incredibly frustrating watching the Hawks play lately, but I think they are far from throwing in the towel. At the end up the day, they are human beings not superheros. Just because they are at the professional level, doesn’t mean the are impervious to losing confidence. This is probably the most adversity that Toews or Kane have felt in their entire careers. It has been years since Sharp, Hossa, Seabrook, or Keith have gone through an elongated stretch of poor play. I am not trying to make excuses, but have an empathetic point of view. If you go through weeks of feeling useless at your job, your confidence is shaken regardless of tenure or field.

    Firing Q is not the answer.

  66. Ryan says:

    Tab Bamford says:

    at 9:00 pm

    The comments about Quenneville are making me both laugh & sick at the same time. This organization goes 15 years without being relevant & this guy brings us a Cup & three straight postseasons and all of you jackals want him run out the door because they’re in 6th place in the Conference? I understand losing 8 straight has its consequences, but the comments you’re making (fire the slug?) Comes across as clueless. If you cite Jesse Rogers, who’s 4 days late to the Adrian Dater fire Q party, as a “legitimate” place for the Fire Q bandwagon being legit, I’ll laugh

    +1

  67. Brad Stevenson says:

    Sorry Ray, but that was a ridiculous essay…just look at St. Louis…Ken Hitchcock came in and DAY ONE they started winning and they haven’t stopped…this team requires a coach with a different system to Q…we have to play an uptempo and aggressive game…on the PK we have to challenge the puck and the points and force teams to make quick passes (like they do to us), which plays to our strength which is speed and quickness. Coaching may not be the entire problem, but when you lose 8 in a row and 10 in a row on the road, with the worst combination of specialty teams in the league, you damn well know they are high up on the blame list.

    Tab, don’t take that as a compliment, it is blind journalism at best. This team on January 20th was first overall in the league, they are now 12th overall, tied for 6th/7th in the conference and are only 3 points from 8th and 5 points from 9th…our next 2 games are on the road versus Nashville and the NY Rangers…if we drop 10 in a row, are you still keeping a straight face and blaming it all on the players???

    How about Stahlberg as an example…yet another poster child for the Q dog house…he drops a pass back to the point for $5 million dollar man Duncan Keith, who (as he has done ALL season) promptly misses it and the puck ends up in the net…the result? Stahlberg sits on the bench the rest of the game wondering which way is up, while Phoenix’s elderly Defence catch a break from having to defend Stahlberg’s speed the rest of the game…while Keith and Kane continue to benefit from an all-stage pass issued by Q…

    Statements from players are recognizing this disparity…comments from Q reveal his own self evidence of being soft on his players earlier in the season when they were winning but still horrid on defence. And now it is too late! How do I know??? Because if it wasn’t too late Q would have ended this streak at 4 or 5….winnable games coming off of incredibly embarrassing losses.

    No, it is not all Q’s fault, but he should bear the lion’s share of the blame. Our special teams have been horrid for 2 years, and he still tries to fit a square object into a round hole. He gives his stars free passes, and continues to confuse EVERYONE ELSE on the team with his bizarre line changes from one moment to the next.

    Yes, Bowman should also be held accountable for some of this, but at the end of the day, it does take 2 to tango, and we still haven’t found any willing trade partners…all the more reason why Q is so important through all of this.

    The Hawks current pitfall has no easy cure in sight because Q doesn’t have a clue on how to change it…he has had long, clipboard practises…he has screamed at the team to keep their gameplan focus, and he has continued to try every line combo possible and nothing is helping, in fact things are getting worse, and by the time the total hits 10, Q will be gone…whether you agree or not.

  68. Tab Bamford says:

    Here’s my answer to your “blind journalism” – IF you fire Quenneville today:

    Who replaces him?
    How does that make anything better?

    And once again we’re comparing apples and chimps in the comments… Ken Hitchcock took over the Blues at roughly the same time Q took the team over post-Savard. EARLY IN THE SEASON. Folks are now calling for a NEW coach to bring in a NEW system w/ 25 games left and miraculously turn around a sinking ship? And I’m accused of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic? LOL!

  69. ray says:

    Brad, I understand that you have posted frequently on this site as of late and have gained support from fans that have a differing viewpoint from Tab’s. With that being said, don’t belittle me because my comment is contrary to your position- it weakens your argument.

    Logic dictates that it is nonsensical to bring in a new scheme this late in the season, considering the Hawks are situated 6th in the conference. If the Hawks were out of the play off picture, it would be a different conversation.

    How can a contending team be expected to learn a new game strategy, as well as employ new schemes on the PK and the PP with 26 games left to play?

    Are special teams broken? Absolutely.
    Is there a quick fix to improve them? Doubtful.
    Is there a quick fix to solve them when ushering in a new coaching staff? Not at all.

    So unless you are willing to accept defeat on the season, when you are the sixth seed, it makes no logical sense to replace the coach at this stage of the game.

    It is not fun watching the team play poorly. Calling for blood is not the answer.

  70. Ryan says:

    Brad Stevenson says:

    February 12, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    Tab, don’t take that as a compliment, it is blind journalism at best. This team on January 20th was first overall in the league, they are now 12th overall, tied for 6th/7th in the conference and are only 3 points from 8th and 5 points from 9th…our next 2 games are on the road versus Nashville and the NY Rangers…if we drop 10 in a row, are you still keeping a straight face and blaming it all on the players???

    With someone that has Journalism degree, what Tab is doing shows journalist integrity. All these other clowns you quote are Bloody Muckrakers using Coach Q to sell a few papers.

    Shhhhhh, did you hear that? There it is again. I think William Randolph Hearst called this Coach Q Witch Hunt Yellow Journalism from his grave!!!!!!!!!!!

    Coach Q was my Hero in 2009-2010 bringing a title to Chicago. To quote F. Scott Fitzgerald “Show me a hero, and I’ll write you a tradegy” It kills me that it is coming to this

  71. Brad Stevenson says:

    This team has 3 choices…keep Q and try to make one or two MAJOR deals to shake things up for the coach and give him the firepower and the momentum he needs to make a playoff run…

    Or, keep Q, ride things out the rest of the way, with perhaps 1 or 2 minor additions and reload for next season…

    Or, fire Q and give someone a TEMPORARY gig to objectively come in and evaluate what this team really has…the new coach does this by adapting a new aggressive systems approach, and allows all of the players to let it hang out…This person would likely come from within the organization, or from a short distance outside of it…

    Which ever way the Hawks go will determine a TON about next season…because leaving Q in place and allowing the Hawks to fumble around and not make the playoffs, sticking with the same old style of play and the same players, does very little to help us become a Cup contender next year…and if Q were any kind of answer Tab, this team would at least being showing signs of getting better, and not continually finding new ways to lose games…even Captain Serious after last game indicated that this team needed new help and assistance…players? coaches? both?

    So, for now, you let Q continue for this road trip…but if the Hawks get embarrassed in Nashville and New York and then struggle against the the lowly BlueJackets, you yourself will be calling for Q’s head…

    So we will simply sit back and see what happens Tab…but sitting on your a$$ after a dozen road losses in a row is hardly the style points on a HOF GM or Coach…

    And as for bringing someone from the outside in right now…Marc Crawford, Bob Hartley, Guy Carbonneau, or even Craig McTavish would all be good choices…however, I am not necessarily calling for that…Q may still see the light in 2 games time and right this sinking ship, but I highly doubt it.

  72. Ryan says:

    Tragedy. Sorry for typo, but I am just a little fired up

  73. Ryan says:

    Ray – when Brad said what Tab is doing is blind journalism he should lose all credibility in anyone’s book. Just saying.

  74. Ryan says:

    Not to mention Brad attcked the man instead of the argument. Which is argumentum Ad Hominem. Unless something changes I can’t take Brad seriously

  75. Brad Stevenson says:

    Ray, is there a quick fix to the special teams problems on this hockey team???

    Of course the answer is yes, and only here would you likely hear something not agree with that…

    Every fan and talking head around the league has made at least a passing comment about the Hawks special teams…and that answers are almost universal…on the PK, start pressuring the puck and point, and force defenders to clear out the front of the net. It’s literally that simple…this team’s strength is its skill, speed and quickness…well, then play to it…sitting back and allowing teams to easily gain entrance to our zone is moronic, and then allowing teams to literally pepper our struggling goalies with point shots and asking finesse DMen to do the rest is a recipe for disaster…and that is what our PK has been for 2 years…

    As for the PP, utilize Hossa on the point for the 1st unit…most everyone has been calling for this all season…and when Hossa has done this at points during the season when we are 2 men up, he has been very effective…stop all of the this cutesy Patrick Kane dancing around the face-off circles, and make short, quick passes towards the net…and then collapse the net and score off of rebounds…but we don’t do this…we have ZERO plans for entering the opponents zone on the PP and it shows…and you don’t think this is coaching???

    Tab says, have the players do more…okay, on the PP we can have our defencemen skate even faster into a mid ice trap and then force a delayed slapshot into the offensive zone, only to have NO ONE THERE to retrieve the puck…don’t you get it?
    The players are trying to execute this flawed system and they can’t do it…56 games tells us that plainly. So maybe then you try something else??? No?

    Or do you want to blindly sit at your computer and tell me that Q is a legend and that this is all on the players and management??? If this wasn’t coaching, and it was all on the players you would see 2 things happening (which are not occurring), one, we would be getting better in all phases of our game from week to week…we are NOT…and two, you would see the GM and the HC on the same page with regards to changing the flawed personnel via trades and/0r call ups.

    Also, you would have the front office show up the Head Coach by calling him out during a live practise and talking earnestly to him for 5 minutes…also, you wouldn’t add Stan Bowman Sr. to the road trip schedule (which is not a regular occurrence) peering over the coaches shoulders giving his insights…not if things were getting better…but they are not, and the pressure on the HC is very real. Perhaps you are the only ones not to realize it.

  76. ray says:

    Brad, can you expand on your comment about implementing an aggressive systems approach?

    To isolate the PK, the forwards currently play up to ‘try’ to limit passing lanes, deflect pucks up ice for break away chances. Compared to how the traditional box defense is run, this is aggressive, and has burned us for the past two seasons.

    A collapsing box used when Torchetti ran special teams was basically the exact opposite and was much more effective. Also, the personnel that is currently on the team is to blame for this. When we won the cup two years ago, the PK unit had a shotblocking specialist in Brent Sopel, and faceoff/PK specialist in John Madden. Madden played low, kept his stick on the ice, forcing extra passes to the boards because shooting lanes were clogged. That conservative style PK was more efficient and effective than the current aggressive scheme.

    On the PP, we suffer because we truly have no Power Forwards on the roster to clog the front of the net. You are completely current in your assessment of the PP, we cannot get pucks on net because the pointmen don’t have strong/accurate enough shots. But it doesn’t matter because we have no one consistently positioned in front of the net.

    We do not have the personnel to be more aggressive 5 on 5 because we didn’t replace Campbell’s puckmoving ability. He is truly elite in his vision and ability to cruise through all three zones. All season we have been victimized by this. Kane is the next closest puckmover, but he has been getting knocked off the puck by double teams fairly easily. The personnel doesn’t have an answer for the neutral zone trap or even a 2-1-2, as the puck is recovered by the low D.

    I am not trying to be an ass, I’m just trying to figure out how THIS roster will be able to play a more aggressive game, when the players we have no longer fit the bill for that type of game. For every fast skater on the roster, there seems to be a fossil on skates slowing things down, or a defenseman that deep cycles but still cannot find a skating lane.

  77. Brad Stevenson says:

    Sorry to disappoint your intellect Ryan, but my comments were critical of Ray’s theorem, and not Ray…perhaps you and Ray should have a huddle up and replay the nerve shattering events of the past half hour…

    Ray seems like a decent and intelligent human being and I respect him for that. Suggesting that any coaching change at this point would not help the Hawks is, well, exactly what I called it…and as for you attempting to add fuel to the fire with my “blind journalism” comment to Tab, again, look at the big picture.

    I have praised Tab time and time again for his outstanding work here. I do not agree with his premises on the Hawks losing streak, and that is fine…that is what having a blog site is about…healthy discussion…and as I stated, when basically EVERY OTHER talking head in Hawk land is stating a directly opposite opinions to the Hawks problems than Tab’s, it’s a fair comment…either Tab is right, and everyone else is wrong, or perhaps he is wearing blinders here out of loyalty to Q…

    And as I stated before, if there were any signs that we were getting better, Q might have my support…but we are NOT…we are finding new and stupid ways to lose games…and when that is over an 8 game stretch you have no other choice but to lay some of the blame at the doorstep of the coaching staff…that’s just common sense.

    So remember, we are all Hawk fans, and no one here is slandering anyone else…we are disagreeing over positions…you are attempting to make this personal, and as I have stated, it is not…

  78. ray says:

    For the record, I am not absolving Q of any wrong doing. I think it would be a mistake to fire him this close to the playoffs and try to implement a new scheme- or worse have Kitchen or Haviland take over the team. Both assistants have been delegated special teams responsibility over the past two years, and both have failed to live up to expectations.

    I feel that Bowman misjudged some of the players he had/brought in, and that has caused the majority of problems. I am not saying fire Bowman either. He has made some savvy moves as well as several boneheaded moves. He is a young GM that is learning on the job.

  79. Ryan says:

    You still haven’t commented on this post:

    Ryan says:

    February 12, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    Brad Stevenson says:

    February 12, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    Tab, don’t take that as a compliment, it is blind journalism at best. This team on January 20th was first overall in the league, they are now 12th overall, tied for 6th/7th in the conference and are only 3 points from 8th and 5 points from 9th…our next 2 games are on the road versus Nashville and the NY Rangers…if we drop 10 in a row, are you still keeping a straight face and blaming it all on the players???

    With someone that has Journalism degree, what Tab is doing shows journalist integrity. All these other clowns you quote are Bloody Muckrakers using Coach Q to sell a few papers.

    Shhhhhh, did you hear that? There it is again. I think William Randolph Hearst called this Coach Q Witch Hunt Yellow Journalism from his grave!!!!!!!!!!!

    Coach Q was my Hero in 2009-2010 bringing a title to Chicago. To quote F. Scott Fitzgerald “Show me a hero, and I’ll write you a tragedy” It kills me that it is coming to this

    I am waiting for your reply

  80. Ryan says:

    Look I am done with this. I don’t have superior intellect. It doesn’t take a genius to be educated. The Chicago Media are Muckrakers and this is clearly Yellow Journalism. They are looking to cash in. You bought in.

  81. Brad Stevenson says:

    Ray, we have power forwards on this team, but other than Jimmy Hayes floundering back in the minors, they don’t play like power forwards…and that is largely the responsibility of the coaching staff to demand these things from their players. Q has simply not pressed the right buttons to get the most out of his players…now, is personnel entirely his problem? No…Stan Bowman has a lot to answer for…but it was largely Q that lobbied for Brunnette, and he has been a huge disappointment, especially of late…and not just because he can’t skate, but also because he refusing to accept his role as a power forward on the Hawks.

    And as for an aggressive PK, I laid it out clearly…clog up the centre ice on the PK to prevent teams from easily gaining possession in our zone…pressure the puck and the points once they do have possession in our zone, and have the DMen clear out the front of the net…now, you say we are aggressive on the PK??? Which Blackhawk team are you watching??? Not the same one I have witnessed for most of the past 3 years. We are a soft team…we play soft…and we often leave our goalies out to dry…that defines our PK and our PP…we are soft and passive, not engaged and determined…and that is coaching…plain and simple.

  82. Ryan says:

    If Q is fired then F. Scott Fitzgeral is right. “Show me a hero, I’ll write you a tragedy” Nothing more for me to say really

  83. Ryan says:

    Gotta love Brad’s condescending tone at times.

  84. Brad Stevenson says:

    Please Ryan…the Hawks media have been lenient with this current franchise…they recognized that this group righted a wronged ship…they re-envigored the fan base, they won a Cup, and along the way they got rid of the man who built the Cup winning team and the massive salary cap issue.

    They gave Bowman and Q passing grades last year when we had to jettison a ton of players and cap for unknown prospects…and they were respectful as we began to win this season, even though we displayed some serious concerns with our defensive game. But when a team hits the skids this badly, and shows NO SIGNS OF IMPROVEMENTS in any facet of their collective game, over this long of a period, someone has to say something…that is all I am doing…

    Why does that hurt or bother you Ryan? It is simply stating the obvious. I choose to be a critical thinker…you know, follow the George Carlin model and all that…I have never belonged to the good ship lollypop, and neither should you…

    Have a good evening, and always the best to you!

  85. Brad Stevenson says:

    Ryan, as great a writer as F. Scott Fitzgerald was, he never played hockey…

    The NHL is the fastest game in the world, and so is the coaching carousel…every NHL coach, even the great Scotty Bowman, has a shelf life…a period of time when their tactics and words no longer resonate with the players…maybe this is the end of Q’s shelf life in Chicago…I really don’t know, but it appears it may be the case…and that is all I am saying…

  86. Ryan says:

    It hurts because calling for Q to fired is desperate and premature

  87. ray says:

    In response to the “aggressive PK” comment, Forwards play up past the circles fishing for a misplayed puck/deflected pass is more aggressive that playing a tight box. The forwards are frequently out of position trying to poach the puck, and the D move up out of position because of that “aggressive” play.

    They are not the best in the league in defensive stats, but whenever I watch Philly play, the forwards on the PK play the box efficiently, with their sticks on the ice and maneuver in tandem. This blocks shooting/passing lanes, without exposing the goalie, or forcing the D to reposition.

    This is why I asked you to clarify what you meant by implementing aggressive systems. That phrase can mean a multitude of different things.

    As for power forwards, who would you classify as a power forward? Bickell? Mayers? Brunette? Recency basis at work here, but last night’s game showed Shaw and Sharp in front of the net, not actual ‘power forwards.’ Role ambiguity? I can’t recall a time this season when Bickell screened a goalie through an entire game. And Brunette is nothing more than a trapezoidal specialist.

    I agree with many of the points that you have made, but I feel that timing is everything, and trying to make a drastic change 2/3rds of the way through the season would ultimately mean conceding the season.

  88. Ryan says:

    Pretty sure even tho he didn’t play hockey even F. Scott Fitzgerald would have a better understanding of this particular situation than the make shift journalists you subscribe too

  89. Brad Stevenson says:

    Ray, I agree…there is lots of blame to go around as well…Bowman has made some mistakes here, clearly, but he has also scored some major successes…his 2 drafts were things of beauty and should set us up for a long time…but his active personnel decisions have been hit and miss at best…

    Like Tab likes to remind us, Jamal Mayers WAS a very good signing, but when he is relegated to the 4th line, how much of an impact does he really have on the team???

    Pushing Leddy was a mistake (trading for him was brilliant). Signing Montador was bizarre at best. Keeping Jon Scott was bizarre. Adding the human tortoise, Brunette, to the fastest show on earth wasn’t the most intelligent thing to do…Signing Frolik to that contract has turned out to be a mistake…Crawford is fast showing us he didn’t deserve the contract he was awarded with…bringing Ray Emery was a wise move…

    Again, hit and miss…over time Stan will learn to become a better judge of active talent, and be far more stingy in handing out his contracts…but again, with his draft skills, this team can’t help but be a contender for a long time…

    Now, will Q please turn things around so we can start winning again???

  90. Ryan says:

    “Before I go on with this short history, let me make a general observation–the test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function. One should, for example, be able to see that things are hopeless and yet be determined to make them otherwise. This philosophy fitted on to my early adult life, when I saw the improbable, the implausible, often the “impossible,” come true.”

    F.Scott Fitzgerald

  91. ray says:

    Brad, Agreed.

  92. Tab Bamford says:

    I think everyone agrees on a number of base line realities in Chicago:

    1) They NEED to win games. Not one… gameS.
    2) Whatever they’re doing isn’t working.
    3) Bowman didn’t hit a home run w/ many of his summer acquisitions.
    4) F. Scott Fitzgerald wrote

  93. Ryan says:

    Tab lol.

    If you are gonna add 4 and be funny why not make a number 5 and say Ryan apparently has a man crush on F. Scott Fitzgerald. I have my big boy pants on and it would have made for good theater

  94. Ryan says:

    I raise my glass and dedicate this song to Coach Q and Players. Don’t let the Media and Fans bring you down. You can still do this!

    The best Southern Rock band going now Black Stone Cherry

  95. Ryan says:

    Oops that 2nd link was supposed to be a black stone cherry cover of Adele’s Rolling in the Deep that they do live. It kicks. Adele deserved props for her Grammy haul.

    I think the randomness of my last 3 comments really fits the theme of the thread right

  96. wall says:

    Once again- I agree with Brad’s take on the ailing Hawks… PK, PP, lack of Power Forwards….

    IMO- the team APPEARS to have quit… I cannot get in their heads and tell you WHO they have quit on… ( Coach, GM, Others in locker room)… but it Appears they have Quit.

    to Ryan and Ray
    Defending Brad- (not that he needs it)- Tab IS a good journalist- but unless he is simply stating Stats and Facts, he is simply giving us his opinions (as am I)… sometimes they are right sometimes they aren’t…

    regarding Firing Q- I am on the fence-
    Do I think it will solve anything this year? No- I just don’t think this team is tough/good enough… but if the players have truly quit on him (for whatever reason) it will have to happen at sometime-

    I am not a writer (Stats/Math degree)- As such- the Hawks do need to bring someone in and try to objectively seperate the variables here… and come to a conclusion on why this team which was so fun to watch has suddenly become so hard to watch!

    I still contend selling/missing the playoffs might be the best for this club-
    getting stronger draft + trimming some of the “mistakes/underachievers” + possibly having some CORE players come back next year a little less entitled.

  97. Ryan says:

    Wall – I appreciate your takes. There is a difference between understanding both sides of an argument and choosing to show a little more skepticism, than not understanding or not giving the appearance u understand and throwing people under the bus for fun.

    I guess this needs to be said so all Blackhawk fans myself included understand. The name Mad House on Madison is supposed to descirbe an electric environment, not be slang term for an actual mental institution. Just wanted to make sure everyone is aware of that. Cause the environment has been pretty dead this season. I guess some will say that is Q’s fault as well

  98. the Greek says:

    3 yrs ago we all felt the Hawks were on the verge of a possible dynasty-not of winning Cups every year,but of being SERIOUS contenders,year in and year out for at least 5 years or so…we all were thinking it,and its ok to admit it. The feelings were based on the”core ” players,their abilities,skills,the way they had meshed as a group,both on the ice and in the locker room.Add to them the proper pieces(which we had at the time),role players,a few players with more balls than skill, and the result is the hoisting of a Cup.We all know what happenned after that due to the damn cap…but what has been done to replace those pieces since than? Yes,pehaps players have begun tuning out the coaches,perhaps a few have given up-on the coaches,on their team,on themselves,we dont really know ,do we? What we do know is that there has most definitely been a drop in talent and depth on this team,and that is the fault of the GM. The offseason was a joke,and there was still money left over that could have been used to strengthen the team. Now,the league knows we are in a position of weakness,and any trades we make will be done out of desperation and at a loss of talent that we could have hung on to otherwise…where is the long-term plan?Example…how was Campbell replaced-was there even a plan to replace him? Such a shame,what might have been…now the team is back to square one.

  99. joey Zamboni says:

    A Colonel in the Air Force, a fighter pilot, came up with the “OODA LOOP”, sounds funny but here’s what it means – Observe Orient Decide Act. The objective is to disrupt your opponents “ooda loop” not allowing him the time and/or space to act or react properly.

    Obviously the Hawks “ooda loop” has been disrupted.

    Insanity – is doing the same thing(s) wrong over & over but expecting different results.

    I put it to you my fellow Hawk fans…. Are the Hawks insane…..????

    Or are WE insane….???

  100. Pete says:

    Tab the issue for me isn’t whether Bowman hit a home run in the offseason its whether he struck out. I give him credit for Mayers and I’m fine with the Brower trade/Kopecky move, but other than that I think its a strike out at this point. Maybe he can still get on base and it will work out if he does something with the cap space either this year or next. Generally speaking I think fans need to hold GM’s accountable and hindsight criticism goes with the job. A job that most people would love to have. I am willing to give Bowman the benefit of the doubt for now, but as fans I think we need to start being concerned about the big picture/long term situation.

  101. the Greek says:

    Pete,you are absolutely right,especially about the big picture/long term…IMO this season is gone…sure,we will make playoffs,but then what? Dont tell me anyone can win,as long as you get in,thats crap ,and we know it…pure fantasy to even consider a deep run this year. I dont want to look back on our Cup win and compare it to 85 Bears-one and done.

  102. Ryan says:

    Joey don’t misquote Einstein. Einstein didn’t say the word “wrong” in his definition. You are misquoting intentionally to draw a leading result.

    Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

    Just wanted to clear that up. It is the same thing when people misquote the Bible saying that “The Bible says money is the root of all evil” No the Bible doesnmt say that. The Bible says money is the root of all kinds of evil.

    In both cases while they seem to be the same thing, they are in fact very different

  103. Pete says:

    I honestly hope Bowman has a plan for utilization of the cap space and that he is a draft guru and its a one step back in order to take two steps forward. But right now its painful for this diehard hawks fan.

  104. Ryan says:

    Actually Joey I jumped the gun. I should not assume you misquoted intentionally. Forgive me.

    However, many people intentionally or unitentionally misquote both of the quotes that I brought quite frequently and it completely changes the context. Those that do it intentionally have an agenda, sorry if u are not part of that group.

  105. Tab Bamford says:

    Please… everyone tossing Quenneville under the bus… read Adam Jahns’ interview w/ Keith from today (2/13). Reveals what I’ve been saying for some time: the disconnect is between players, not between the players & coaches. There are guys on the roster not consistently buying into what the coaches are doing, and it’s killing the roster. It’s good (and a new wrinkle) that a leader on the roster puts teammates on blast thru the media. Let’s see if it means anything.

    http://www.suntimes.com/sports/10603005-419/duncan-keith-says-hawks-must-pledge-to-play-good-team-game.html

  106. Pete says:

    I think its a mistake to fire Q and trade Kane. We won the cup with these guys and the rest of the “core”. The difference between winning and losing in the NHL is small. Thats why I have been whining about the roster moves outside the “core players”. I think the roster turnover since winning the cup has gotten to the tipping point against us.

  107. wall says:

    Ryan, please explain the “big” difference between “all evil” and “all kinds of evil”-

    not trying to be smart ass… wording like that is subjective and confusing to me!
    Remember- I am the guy w/ Stats degree- I have no problem understanding Mathematical Truths- ex. the derivative of 4x to the 3rd is = 12x squared… but really can’t see the big difference in your Biblical ref.

    Re: the Einstein quote – one must assume it is the “wrong” thing— if it was doing the right thing over and over again… you wouldn’t expect different results.

  108. Ryan says:

    RE – don’t project from your own feelings on the quote break down what he says.

    If an individual did infact live a life that people would see as “right” and kept having the same result, which was living a “right” or “good” life. However, for some reason that we may not know, wanted to be “bad” but somehow couldn’t come to that result wouldn’t it drive that individual insane as well? Just because the scenario you brought up may be the most common or socially accepted way to get to insanity, doesn’t rule out that the other rare scenario could in fact exist.

    In fact society would probably say to that person, “you are insane for wanting to be “bad” you have _______________.” (Some might fill in the blank with “the perfect life”, other may say “everything anyone could ask for”, etc)

  109. Ryan says:

    In fact Wall the fan emotion, is the variable in this whole thread that can’t be accounted for cause we have no idea how a human being that react in so many different ways will respond after constant torment. Blackhawk fans are are frustrated and have had enough and they fighting right now. That is why I am pleading with people to bring logic and reason back into this. Cause the more we allow emotion to fuel our outbursts the worse the Q witch hunt will get.

  110. the Greek says:

    Depth ,people…its all about the depth. Our “core” (God I am growing tired of that term) is the one constant over the past 3 seasons- that and Q. I am still not convinced that our GM is capable of building quality depth into the roster the way Tallon did…yes, I know, he screwed up with the cap,but,damnit,he knew a thing or two about talent, filling in missing pieces,drafting talent, chemistry,etc,etc,etc……Shit, we had FOUR quality lines when we won the cup,and Five solid defensemen.

  111. the Greek says:

    Please dont slam me about how shitty the core has become as of late…we all know they are the real deal and will come around eventually. Unfortunately,I think most of them have become unhinged mentally with the way things have spiralled downward and have maybe lost a bit of their focus,edge,and confidence…someone please tell me I am wrong?

  112. Pete says:

    Does anyone have any thoughts on whether we are missing Carcillo more than people realize? He stood up for our skill players and was willing to risk suspensions to hit people and now that he is gone all of a sudden Toews is a punching bag. Maybe we could replace Carcillo with Jared Boll off of Columbus. He is young, tough and has upside. Also, I would dress Scott against Nashville. He can’t skate or play, but we can’t let Toews get messed with anymore. Thoughts anyone?

  113. Canes Dad says:

    According to Sassone today Q is safe, and not going anywhere.

    Great. Let’s sign Q to a new 10 year deal. I can’t speak for the rest of the fans who pay HUGE bucks to see these guys play, but to me I’d rather go watch another minor league team (like the Wolves) play passionate hockey than watch this abortion of a system that looks nothing like the tough, passionate and prideful Hawks hockey I was raised on. On some nights it doesn’t even look like the same game.

    Even if the Hawks win, I have been a fan for 50 years and think Quenville’s “system” of” 1) peeling off of every check, 2) surrendering the boards to the opposition, often without contention, and 3) allowing the opposition to run your goalie almost every game, and to push your Captain around like he’s a 3rd grader at Jr. High recess, with no pushback from the team, is not hockey to me. This is about coaching, sports fans, and make no mistake – Q is complicit in it, if not encouraging it.

    These guys care about dollars — not fans or team tradition. You can make statues, have parties, and hang Bobby Hull by his butt from the time clock if you want to supposedly “honor tradition”, but to me you pay respect to tradition by what you show on the ice. And, right now, what I see sucks.

  114. Tab Bamford says:

    So making the postseason 3 straight years after 15 years of being obsolete doesn’t honor tradition? LOL… I think Canes Dad & Bob Pulford should have coffee some time (if they aren’t the same person)

  115. Eric says:

    I watch numerous Hawks games with great enjoyment. The recent skid has not been pretty to view and it is very puzzling…. my take is the NHL saw what Edmonton did with the 17 goals and it took away any doubt or fear of playing the mighty Blackhawks,,,,,,time to strap it on or no 95 points! Would be fun to get 1-0 victory in February. Still the best sport in town go Coach Q!

  116. Pete says:

    Tab what about getting Jared Boll to replace Carcillo and help Mayers? I also think he has some upside as a player?

  117. Canes Dad says:

    Hey Tab.

    I’m not Bob Pulford, and not even hardly as old. Although I do remember him, and watched him play with the Leafs when I was in grammer school. He brought boring hockey to Chicago, too, — like Q — but for a really long time. And with a smaller venue (the old barn) to try to fill up. And with smaller player salaries to try to pay for with ticket sales.

    If you like what you see on the ice, great. I might be old school, but to me it’s never about what you do, but how you do it — how you compete, and what you leave out there. To me, I don’t like what I see and I won’t support it.

    Watch the Bruins sometime, who may have less money to spend. They are 2nd in the league in PIM (God forbid finishing a check and protecting a teammate) , 5th in the league with a .660 winning percentage.

    The Hawks are 20th in PIM and 12th with a .580 percentage. Avoiding contact doesn’t make you a playoff contender. It makes you a victim. And it makes your fans embarassed.

    If you like what you see, good for you. Support your team, buy some tickets, and help perpetuate Q’s new “culture”.

    Like I said earlier, I would rather watch a team that competes every night and stands up for one anoter than what I see now.

  118. wall says:

    Greek- it is all about the “lack of depth”… but my message has been… Too many 6 million $$$ players- will bring you to the problem we have now!

    We only have 28 million $$$$ to spend on the remaining 16 roster spots…
    IMO- this means we can’t afford a 6 Million $$$ special teams guy— we can’t afford good skilled depth- we could afford “GRIT” this off season- GRIT is another word for a guy with little skill but trys hard!

    Without all of the quality depth- Kane and Keith are not CORE guys- IMO

  119. wall says:

    Canes Dad- another great post…

    I still am not ready to push Q off the plank (unless team really has quit on him directly)…

    but agree on not watching this brand/style of hockey… it really is hard to watch.

  120. wall says:

    Ryan, you tried to explain the Einstein quote- My reply is that wouldn’t be insanity…
    it would be stupidity.

    And you did not address my question to your Biblical analogy. Please explain the difference.

    Lastly, you realize that your Biblical quote is completely wrong…
    “Money is not the root of all kinds of evil”- it is “the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil”

  121. joey Zamboni says:

    WOW I didn’t mean to start a philosophical discussion here, it was just an observation. I don’t have a hidden agenda.
    It does appear this team keeps trying the same thing over & over expecting a different result….. And don’t we as fans do the same thing with our comments & suggestions…..?
    Interesting isn’t it….????

  122. Tab Bamford says:

    Just curious to see where Brad & everyone else that were throwing stones as me for backing Quenneville are tonight after Bowman said he’s the man and the locker room stood up in his defense. Anyone? Anywhere?

    He’s not getting fired during the season, and will most likely finish his contract in Chicago (at least). Is this a Cup-winning roster as-is? Probably not. But let’s check back on Feb. 29… and let’s wait to kick Quenneville out until he tries to implement his system (that worked so well w/ uber talent in 09-10) until he gives it a crack next year w/ guys like Saad, Hayes & maybe Morin/McNeill/Pirri on the roster.

  123. Italian Stallion says:

    Impressed with Wall and proper interpretation of biblical scripture in regards to love of money being evil…….as for our beloved Blackhawks and coach Q, the Stanley Cup winning team will continue to be completely dismantled by Bowman soon enough …to be replaced by has been veterans , bargain basement battlers and a whole bunch of talented rookies that will never make it with this team…….

  124. KC Hawk says:

    I don’t care what Stan says . Q needs to go now .

    Hell , Stan put this roster together so he is not any authority to point to .

    I respect your opinion , I just strongly disagree with that opinion .

  125. KC Hawk says:

    Canes Dad — terrific comments .

    Q’s team is not fun to watch . They suck

  126. Ryan says:

    Wall you caught it as did everyone else probably and that is why I didn’t respond on the biblical quote. I realized I misquoted it right away and had to put my dunce hat on and go sit in the corner. I was thinking much faster than I could type that particular reply. I didn’t give it a once over when I was done and I too misquoted. I quoted the misquote right. But in my haste I made errors that I should have caught because I know better. Main reason, I was at work and didn’t catch them till later and felt I needed to wait to post about it.

    It was not my intention to misquote or to be hypocritical. However, when I am throwing out quotes and pleading for them to be quoted and viewed properly; I will understand if you feel my credibility has taken a hit. Anyway…

    quick side notes – the NASB takes special care in these areas most. I thought it pertinent.

    1) New American Standard Bible is widely regarded as being the most accurate English Bible translation

    2) NASB version gives special attention to the rendering of verb tenses to give the English reader a rendering as close as possible to the sense of the original Greek and Hebrew texts.

    3) The original Greek and Hebrew did not have punctuation as is found in English, and in many cases modern English punctuation serves as a substitute for “And” in the original. Sentences beginning with “And” have often been retranslated for better English, in recognition of differences in style between the ancient languages and modern English. In some other cases, “and” is translated by a different word such as “then” or “but” as called for by the context, when the word in the original language allows such translation.

    With all that said…

    Society misquote “Money is the root of all evil”

    Actual quote (1st Timothy 6:10) in the NASB version –
    “For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.”

    Short answer: Money isn’t inherently evil. In the same way that Gun’s don’t kill people, people kill people.

    The verses purpose is to point out that replacing God leads to destruction. It isn’t the money that is evil it the Idol worship that is evil and leads to more evil, etc.

    By loving money you are Lusting and or giving into Greed. Not only is the individual potentially replacing God (idol worshihp), but as long as the individual holds that love or thirst for money they are in sin/evil.

    Power, Hate of God, any of the 7 deadly sins, etc can replace Money and you have the same thing. Idol worship. That is why money isn’t the root of all evil.

  127. Ryan says:

    Wall and to your comment on the Einstein misquote Ryan, you tried to explain the Einstein quote- My reply is that wouldn’t be insanity…
    it would be stupidity.

    Again you are projecting from your character/personality on to the situation. Probably because you, like I, would change before it reached insanity. Again what part does time play. We are talking about an individual who has a good life and does the right thing, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again all the while expects and wants to do a bad thing. INSANITY

    Look at how Monsanto came up with Round Up, or how we got Play-Doh, who is to say that the result of an experiment is “BAD”. There are numerous other examples of this as well.

    Both kept coming up with the alleged “wrong” result time and again. Now they had all this left over stuff and introduced a new variable into the equation called “Problem Solving” and TADA Monsanto had Round Up and a Wallpaper cleaner in the 1930’s had Play-doh

  128. Ryan says:

    forgot to close Italics after first Paragraph

  129. Italian Stallion says:

    ARMAGHEDON HAS ARRIVED EARLY FOR THE BLACKHAWKS…The Stanley cup
    will only be a sweet memory that hopefully won’t take another 50 years for Blackhawk fans……..don’t see any solutions for our beloved Blackhawks for this season but if Quenville gets fired( I love the guy but these things happen)….I’d like to see “Iron” Mike Keenan make a comeback, maybe he will get some necessary production when it counts from this “fat cat” superstar team…….but let’s face it this team is done so I’d rather focus on the next Stanley Cup Champions the New YorkRangers….John Tortorella has done a great job in a relatively short time to make this team into a winner. I’m calling it a Rangers-Red Wings Stanley Cup Final………..

  130. Italian Stallion says:

    Hate to add insult to injury……(with Toews out)……..this team will quickly sink into oblivion in the western conference. The Armaghedon prophecy will continue to fullfill itself for the Hawks with nothing stopping it as coaching and management appear to be paralyzed about player movements that would benefit this team. They are reaping what they have sowed in the almost complete dismembering of a championship team that we cheered to victory not too long ago……….I hope I’m wrong, but it appears that the team although, still talented lacks the heart to win.

  131. Bob Water says:

    We suck like a black hole. We’re back to the days of hoping to just make the playoffs.

    But what do you expect? This is Chicago, people. Hopes get dashed.

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