Toews Drops Gloves, Ducks Drop Hawks

On Sunday afternoon, Jonathan Toews decided enough was enough.

With his team chasing two goals, Chicago’s captain dropped the gloves with Ryan Kesler right off the drop of the puck to begin the second period.

Given how rarely Toews fights, one would hope the Hawks would show some… intestinal fortitude… after the scrap.

The Blackhawks did not.

Chicago did show some willingness to climb back into the action with the Ducks, but they didn’t have enough for a second dramatic comeback in southern California in as many days.

Tomas Jurco scored the Blackhawks’ first goal of the afternoon 15 minutes into the second, at which point the Blackhawks were already down four.

Nick Schmaltz would score twice in the third period, giving him 20 on the season and getting the Blackhawks to a final score of 6-3.

Chicago put 40 shots on net, but when you give up four in the 27 minutes you’re firing to get back into the game.

69 thoughts on “Toews Drops Gloves, Ducks Drop Hawks

  1. Toews scored his first GWG of the season last game and had his first fight this game (maybe he had another earlier?) when the Hawks completely out of the playoff picture – where was that leadership when the Hawks actually had a chance at the playoffs

    I’m a big time Toews supporter but it’s clear he hasn’t brought it this year

    He has played better generally of late but from him there have been too many blatant turnovers, undisciplined penalties, poor D zone coverage to go along with his lack of production

    For 10.5 million you could say “that’s garbage” – if there were no cap maybe it’s not an issue but there is a cap so it is an issue

    I prefer to believe without any real evidence that his concussion history has resulted in his overall inability to be player he should be at the relatively young age of 29 which could mean he’ll improve and I think his play has improved as the year’s gone on

    I remain optimistic about Toews based on the above and the Hawks next year based on some of the young guys and the fact that Stan will have cap space to acquire some NHL D men but if there are dressing room issues maybe at least some of that is players looking at the highest paid player in the league and thinking wtf?

  2. Can we drop Forsberg!!!
    Can we drop Gustafsson!!!
    Can we drop Oesterle!!!
    Can we drop Murphy!!!
    Can we drop Jurco!!!
    Can they drop their hearts on ice for more on that 1 game! … damn fuc**** 2017-2018 season!

  3. The best line on the ice again was 48/8/12. Great energy, speed and skill. It seems like those are the only guys that show up night after night. How is it that Kempny is gone and Oesterle is still here. The guy looked like a Wrigley Field turnstile. This defense is painful to watch. 5 & 7 can’t skate, 82 is a rag doll and 2 is taking his usual quick steps but going nowhere. 91 had a surprisingly good game but he can’t finish. 88,8,48 and 12 are the only keepers on this team.

  4. This team has shown very little emotion this whole season. Going forward I would like to see a little more grit on this team but it has to also be with talent. I hope we can make changes that will help next season.

  5. 1961 spot on 1000%. There is no comparison to objective obsevers who know hockey b w someone like Kempny and someone like Oesterle. What’s done is done.

    Schmaltz Hinostroza Debrincat those are three studs. Kudos to Bowman. Highmore isn’t at this level yet, he has the skillset and potential. Why not play him with Kane some? How is he gonna show his abilities playing with Kampf & Sharp? What’s the point?

  6. Defensive disaster. Cakewalk for Anaheim guys like Corey Perry who should be getting a stick in the ribs when they get in the vicinity of the net. Out of position, from all positions.

    Mayers and Burish and Konroyd really calling out the entire team except for DeBrincat, Schmaltz and Hinostroza (and Toews for going after that punk Kessler). They’ve defended the boys in the past but not today. Today’s game was just flat out weak.

    I’m not for losing out to get the lowest possible pick. I’m for them giving effort and getting angry. They are not doing it as a team or as individuals. It’s tough to watch them play a bunch of goons like Anaheim (albeit they are talented goons) and be such a walkover.

    This team needs mental Viagra. They need to quit being so damn limp.

    Go Blackhawks!!!!

  7. I missed the game yesterday as my wife and I took our annual trip the the Illinois Horse Fair, and I had to listen to today’s game on the radio. I really enjoy listening to John and Troy call the game on WGN, but even with how well they call the game it still isn’t like seeing the plays and noticing the little things during plays. I got the sense that the d-men had a rough game, which is pretty much the norm these days, unfortunately. I would have preferred they came away with 0 points from their Cali trip, but as the old saying goes- “ya can’t lose em all”.

  8. The knock on the Blackhawks after losing 4 straight to Preds was that they got pushed around. So what does Stan do? he assembles an even softer bunch of players for this years team. The ducks could have had a picnic in our crease today. Embarrassing and shameful game. Duclair is who he was in Arizona when he was a healthy scratch on the worst team in the NHL not because of talent, but because he’s soft. Should not be on team next year.

  9. 1961, I have been writing the same thing about our core being 88, 8, 12, and 48. Everyone else should be on the table. The Kempny trade was not bad – especially if Caps and/or Leafs can hit some rough spots the rest of the way.

    We agree that there is plenty which needs to be unloaded, but at the same time, expect Stan to navigate carefully and not send out desperation signals for trades. Trades will likely be spread out over a longer period than many expect.

    Question to the group: How high a draft pick or young talent can Keith fetch?

  10. Wraparound… Re : 19

    How did you like the Toews Toe pick… falls flat on his face in yesterday’s game… no one within 25 feet of him…

    Yeah- there is nothing wrong with 19…

    and the Team didn’t Buy into his fight either…

    Jonathan Toe-pick or Capt. Seriously??? which one does he prefer?

  11. We all talk about the Hawks being soft and yet Hayden is still in Rockford. There is no point to this he can help us now. There are too many contracts that can’t be moved and I don’t want anymore trades where we give up a prospect just to move salary. I think the only players we could move in the summer with NMC contracts are Anisimov and Keith. I think it’s a dream that Sikura signs with this team. It was nice to see the Hawks come back against LA and then today back to the stink pot! I hope SB can make some good moves in the off season but I just don’t know anymore.

  12. Big Indian, I loved that conversation with Burish, Konroyd and Mayers between the 2nd and 3rd periods. VERY honest, very direct and very true.

    Burish said it right, he said. “look, we played this game and when the captain fights the guys on the bench always support him”. Well, nobody supported Toews which led to Adam Burish’s comment, “there may be problems in the locker room”.

    That could be true. I just don’t see any “chemistry” with this team.

  13. Tab = Bowman/Q apologist. When are you ever going to hold either of them accountable for the dysfunction? You degend snd defend.
    There is ample evidence to indict them for the downward slide. Yet whenever a poster says so, you slam and berate them.
    Be fair.
    Call it as it is.
    Yes, the players bear responsibility. But so do those holding the reins.
    Time for a change in voice and approach.
    Thanks, Q, for the run. Tip of the cap.
    But time to go now.

  14. Bomba,

    They’ve won 3 cups and we’re the best team in the West last regular season. You can’t win every year.

    Changes need to be made. But screaming that Stan & Q are problems and need to go is ignorant.

    Again, 3 Cups over a 5 year span. And they were a bounce off of Leddy from 4 Cups.

    Tip of the cap to you for the ignorant post.

  15. Mox,
    With all due respect, YOURS is the ignorant post.
    In 1992 when Mike Ditka and his leadership were bottoming out, would a post saying “but he won in 85 and was good after that!” have been rational or ignorant?
    Coaching and leadership always have a shelf life, a life cycle–and all life cycles end in death. As in termination.
    I offered a tip of the cap to Q for what he accomplished, and have nothing but respect for it.
    But the reality is it’s time to move on from that to a new era.
    Resisting THIS is ignorance.

  16. And mox, to say we were the best team in the west last year is also ignorant. Regular season record means nothing. Look at the capitals the last few years.
    Now who is ignorant?
    It’s not personal. It’s just business.
    Go Hawks!

  17. What kind of team do we want next year? A team in pretty much full rebuild or a rebuild on the fly. I would go with the former in which case I would strongly suggest Q is not the best fit. Development is not his strong suit, and these days the vets aren’t really motivated so there is something wrong. I think we need a new direction (across the org) and changing coaches goes along with that.

  18. Why can’t the coaching staff get this team ready to play? At this stage I’m not looking for wins. I’m looking for effort. Of course they don’t have the talent to make a serious run at the cup but character and effort could have made the playoffs. And please stop talking about a better draft pick. This isn’t the NFL. The average first round pick is years away from even seeing the NHL. This year isn’t an aberration. It’s the new normal for this team. You think any of the “core” is coming back quicker next year?

  19. No use getting fired up over what clearly is player evaluation at this point.

    The good news is Schmaltz, Debrincat, Hinostroza are all good young players whom the Hawks drafted.

    Duclair and a Jurco are getting a long look with a new organization they so desired. By early April, there will be enough of a sample size to determine their futures.

    To me Dahlstrom looks more poised than Gustafsson. Oesterle is not a top 4 but more like a 7.
    Murphy to me looks like a 5. He can play in this league just not in top 4.

    Forsberg and Berube both look like a #3 depth goalie.

    Kampf looks like a legitimate 4th line NHL, with 3rd line upside.

    From here on out, evaluate, evaluate, evaluate.

  20. I don’t see what the problem would be with giving Coach Q some time off; maybe a different position. I do not believe any team has done that (wait….Pulford?) but really it’s a lot better than firing Q.

  21. I honestly think Quenneville has lost the team.

    I pondered this back in November when they would continuously come out completely flat to start games.

    I dont care if you’re not in the playoff hunt. I dont care if you’re not getting the bounces or the calls or whatever little mistake seems to go in against you.

    Try. Care. Show some character. Show some heart. And if you havent got one, I’m sure I can get Orval to stop by a clinic and pick you friggin’ players up some.

  22. Standing up for Bomba. Am not sure I agree with him (and Jordyhawk) all the way on Q, but they make valid points. His example of the Caps is spot on. If they don’t go very deep this year, they may finally blow up their team, as they should. Yes, the Hawks had the best record in the West last season, but when the real season began (the postseason), Nashville made them look like they were standing still. Some of this is being addressed. The problem is that Stan has botched so many picks and trades, which makes it that much harder to get back to an elite club.

  23. To Tab or anyone else who follows the player’s contracts and movement between Rockford and Chicago:
    Can you provide any insight into why Hayden still has not been brought up to the big club. I would have thought he would have been one of the first recalls. What am I missing?

  24. I’m out of the country for a few weeks but watching replays via NHL.com. Not a pretty picture much it especially defense and goaltending. Much of it extremely cringeworthy. Some of the young guys show some drive, but really most of the young forwards are 3-4 line material and the d corps 2 0r 3 pairing. Oesterle makes some good plays, but then craps the bed badly. Gus is just a guy with some offensive talent, but defensively not much progress. Dahlstrom I agree Craig looks better than Gus. I think Murphy will get better. Hawks need healp up front and on the back line and I guess it goes without saying a quality keeper has to be in the plans.

    I mentioned again a few weeks ago when the Panik/Duclair trade was made that Duclair basically goes out of his way to avoid any physical contact with opposing players. Consequently, puck battles that could be won, finishing a check to take an opposing player out of a rush, or stopping a pass from being accurate isn’t even in the mix. I find this maddening to watch, and would send the guy to Rockford with the instructions to hit someone or leave the possibility of playing for Blackhawks behind. WTF is wroing with that guy?

    While Saad is playing ok where did his physical game get to? He simply does not battle the way he did when he played in Chicago before moving to Columbus. I will give Saad another shot next year. This guy just can’t be what we are watching right now based on a large sample size we know.

    Hawks were gutless to watch the Cpt drop em and not get behind the guy with a better effort.

    What is wrong in the 2nd periods this season for this team??

    I have been going through an atttude adjustment for the past 6 weeks as a fan and have become sort of numb watching this team go to pieces. Certainly a weird feeling and something I still have trouble coming to grips with. The future is with young, fast, and enthusiastic players to help out Kane, Crow and the decling rest of the core.
    Lets Go Hawks!

  25. The theme here for the last year has been get younger and faster over and over. Well they are alot younger and and alot faster but now we see that isn’t everything. Now the next steps need to be and i am confident will be taken to address what needs addressed. If Q isn’t let go after this road trip chances are he leads the team next season barring a gutting of front office which seems unlikely. After waiting for 45 years for them to win 1st cup abiding by a bad year is hardly comparable to that.

  26. Just to comment about a small part of what Mox said, and it both supports what he said about the Cups and brings a little reality to what it means to win multiple Cups with 30+ teams–

    It gets kicked around a lot that the Hawks were a bounce away from winning a 4th Cup-we’ll OK, but it’s also true that the 2015 was very close to not happening but for some timely play and puck luck—and just as important a win in 2014 may have precluded the 2015 win as 3 in a row isn’t even close to being realistic. (Although there is a chance this year)

    And Ian is right about the patience-IMO it will be up to Q what he wants to do-he may not want to be around for the possible lengthy turn around–if he wants to coach again he can choose a great spot that is ready to take a shot now. And at his age it would probably be his last run.

  27. Craig- pretty good player assessments there

    Hawks ARE getting younger and faster…. BUT- the core (excluding Kane)… is NOT…
    to add- the Core has lost their- Mojo/skill/and Hunger in a huge way…

    To add – again- their NMC’s /large Contracts- are hard to swallow…

    Re: Burish/Mayers talk on the Bench not getting behind Toews fight…
    Do the Young guys “Respect” the captain??? They all make way less than 19 and … they are out playing him

    Furthermore- the Kesler/Toews fight… 2 Old guys – who are frustrated that their “skills” have diminished … and know their careers are quickly going the wrong way???

    Toews and Seabrook- currently leading the Team in PIM’s… more signs of frustration

  28. Boomba,

    Reading comprehension isn’t a strong suit I see. I said they were the best in the West in the regular season. And to sit and act like that doesn’t mean anything is ignorant.

    Comparing what the Hawks have accomplished to the ‘85 Bears and Ditka is completely laughable. Apples and oranges. 3 championships in 5 years for the Hawks to 1 for the Bears. Not even close. A dynasty and a one and done. Great comparison. Idiot.

  29. Mox-
    Last year’s team was a paper tiger and in the playoffs got exposed for what it was.

    The Ditka reference was to illustrate that coaches have shelf lives and there comes a time for a new voice in the room. It wasn’t about comparing teams.

  30. Another day closer to the end of the season….I’m not sure how the Dunks recapture penalty works but depending on the specifics, I move Keith in the offseason. He likely still has some value. The wheels have really fallen off his game and at 35 in the offseason, it isn’t going to get much better even with a better partner. The Hawks are stuck with Seabroke but they clearly aren’t stuck with Keith. This whole blueline needs to be revamped. If it my call (and it isn’t) I trade Keith, send Osterle to RFD(where he belongs), resign Rutta, bring back Forsling and Dalstrom, keep Murphy. The blue line would pretty much suck but would cost less. Once Seattle has its expansion draft I’m begging them to take Seabrook or Toews.

  31. This rebuild is NOT a 1-year change. There is WAY to much bad paper on the books for this to be a 1-year fix. I’m thinking it’s going to be at least 2 years or 3 years until this team can get out from under the NMC mess Stan has created. Even if they get out from some of their bad money the HUGE problem is goaltending. The Hawks have Zip in the pipeline. Wooter Peters is a project at best and JF Buerbe and Forsberg don’t appear to be the answer. Crow is 33 banged up and 2 yrs remaining on his deal. So the Org needs to find a goalie in the next 2 years, good luck!

  32. Shalunov… is on fire -KHL

    scored 2 g’s — 1st PO game
    ended season scoring 2 g’s and 2a’s last two games season – I believe…

    That guy was rumored- to be staying in KHL- only to Play for Russia- Olympics… but I don’t think he made the squad… anyone know His Contract/deal with KHL team? Is he able to come over next year?

  33. SSHM I am with your assessment that this is not going to be a one year fix. This is a 3 year decline in full progress, from a 7 game 1st round loss to St Louis, to a sweep by the Preds in the first round, to not sniffing the playoffs this season. As far as we know they are going to continue to bottom out next year.

    I believe Annti Raanta is a free agent this season, and he could be the ideal backup/new starter. However, fixing the blueline is a much harder proposition and a much longer term project. And the NMCs and big dollar contracts handcuff us from being able to remake the roster to a degree.

    While it is true we have some nice young players that are improving, they are all forwards. And the decline of the core has been breathtaking this year. Duncs, Seabs, Toews, Saad, Sharp, all seem to take turns looking like barely useful players. Anisimov is next up to take a tumble as he ages and slows down even further. They would be wise to move him soon, or risk being stuck with that deal too.

    With our wagon hitched to that core of vets, our fortunes will not change until you find players to bump them down the slots they are in. Can we find 2 defensmen good enough to make Keith a number 3? No way. The best UFA dman is Carlson from WASH and he is going to cost a fortune and no one else is arguably a top pair guy.

  34. Let’s clear something up before it gets out of hand……….I keep reading that the Hawks are younger and, therefore, they are faster. That is simply not true. Fast in the NHL means the ability to move the puck, tape to tape, and skate through each zone with “pace”. The Hawks do not do this, they have become a horrible passing team in their own end and in the neutral zone. I have never seen a team pass the puck to their teammate and put it in his feet, more than this club, it’s ridiculous.

    Defensively, they are quicker but they do not know where to position themselves in their own zone and in the offensive zone once they turn the puck over. So until the Hawks learn how to pass, tape to tape, and move the puck with authority, their speed is just a building block that needs work.

  35. Have to have faith The Crow is going to be ok and the team/roster as well.

    We wont have the deepest roster in just one yr, but we can make a huge dent in what we need to do. Then add more on 2nd and 3rd yrs, and that doesn’t mean we cant be close to a top 5 team again before the 2nd and 3rd yrs. It just seems wosre then it really is, like last yr felt better then it really was.

  36. Good points Reg. I feel that the decline in the quality of the Hawks passing has more to do with attitude and concentration than skills. At this level those guys have to be able to go tape to tape with passes on the fly. We have seen all year where there is a game where the passing is crisp and players catch em in stride. Better breakouts, better zone entries, better scoring chances all come in bigger numbers. Hawks usually win those games. The sloppy passing games such as the recent Ducks mess, well you get the picture. The strange thing is the passing quality seems down more than it is up. It tells me the guys simply are not concentrating as a group. Coaches must be pulling out whatever hair they have left watching that crap. So much of all sport is about concentration and positive mental attitude. This Hawks team even when they win don’t seem to be having fun “at work”. This explains lots of the breakdowns in simply hockey fundamentals. It can’t stay this way.

    I think some big changes may be coming based on all of the above.

    Serenity now!

    Let’s Go Hawks!

  37. I agree with the changes needed and we have lots of work to do. I would be shocked if we didn’t get it done.

    Phil, it just sucks for good we should be, have been and will be again. This really just sucks, although it will net us a top pick/really good player/deep draft.

  38. Wall, Yep – Shalunov has really turned it on lately after being not bad earlier in the season. He’s playing center too after playing mostly wing earlier in his career. Would love to see Stan get him over here for a second shot at North American hockey. He’s got good size too, although he’s more of a speed/finesse player that physical.

    I understand the rationale of needing to get more physical and harder to play against, but I still believe that matters a whole lot less for the forwards when you have (1) good goal tending, (2) a rock solid d-corps, and (3) good special teams.

    1. Good goal tending is already something the Hawks have provided Crawford can return to form.

    2. Rock solid d-corps is not something the Hawks have and needs to be the main focus for improvement. Whether it can be transformed from where it is now to “rock solid” in one off season is probably asking a bit much – but it can be improved.

    3. Good special teams. Where #1 is in the province of Lady Luck and #2 is on Stan’s plate – #3 is on the coaching staff. The Hawks have enough talented players to make passes and put the puck in the net. They don’t have the players capable of winning board battles so a puck movement strategy is needed to maximize their strengths and minimize their weaknesses. That falls to the coaches to devise not only develop the plan but use the proper players in the plan and hold those players accountable – especially on the Power Play.

    If those three things can be done, then adding a couple skilled finesse (non-physical) players like Sikura and Shalunov to the assemblage of non-physical forwards already on the roster may work out just fine.

  39. Shalunov has 2 more years after this season left on his contract so he would have to terminate it himself in order to play over before then.

  40. Looks like the best prospects from Europe next year are the Swedes Ejdsell, Soderlund and Carlsson and Jokiharju. The following year maybe Nalimov and Altibarmakyan and the after that Shalunov abd Kayumov. But seems like teams in khl struggling so wouldn’t be surprised if 1 or 2 of them become free agents sooner.

  41. Ian- how does a player “terminate” a contract??? can Hawks – buy it out?

    are there options?

    Hawks- should start tanking for Next year too…

    Jack Hughes- 2019 draft… Putting up Kane/Matthews type numbers…
    15 pts. in 6 games … U17-WJC

  42. The comments by Burish and Mayers regarding the Toews fight and the reaction from the bench seems to me to have some merit. There’s been a few things involving Toews over the past few years that didn’t seem quite right to me – both on ice and off ice. To put a label on it – it seems Toews has become too big for his britches. I acknowledge the captain of the team, especially one who was so well thought of like Toews, does have a certain carte blanch to “speak for the team” to management. But I think that has limitations and I think Toews has crossed the line more than once.

    Recall a couple years ago when Toews was lobbying for an enforcer on the team and when Stan provided one (Bollig) it was announced by the house organ (Foley) the reason was because Toews felt it was needed. This followed a time when Toews dropped the mitts a few times which was his way of proving his point and demanding his request for an enforcer be met. So what just happened – the ersatz enforcer (Bouma) was dispatched to Rockford and Toews drops the mitts again. Toews actions seem fairly obvious to me. He wants his demands met.

    Then there is the demand to give him line mates so he can once again play like he did a few years ago when 20-19-81 was a dominant line. So, what happens – Panarin get’s traded for Saad. They both have the same cap hit so any notion of “cost certainty” being part of the calculus of the trade is dubious because it would not occur until two years after the trade. The result of the trade speaks for itself. Kane losses his soul mate so that Toews can try to recapture past glory only to prove that it wasn’t missing line mates that is the reason Toews production has degraded – it’s because Toews is no longer good enough to make his line mates better.

    Add those things together with his on-ice histrionics and I think the locker room picture comes into focus a little better. It may be time, if not past time, to hand the “C” to someone else and tell Capt. Serious to shut the hell up and just play hockey.

  43. Thanks Ian, I didn’t know Shalunov’s contract situation. However, KHL contracts seem to have some “flexibility” (wink wink). So who knows?

  44. Again, standing up for Bomba. He makes legitimate points about teams having cycles, even using the ’85 Bears as an example. They had an even better defense in ’86 but they lost McMahon for the season (Crawford anyone?). He is not far off when he says the regular season means nothing. When you lead your conference in points and then get blown out in the first round, things are in serious need of fixing. Calling posters “ignorant” is disrespectful and doesn’t help our discussion. We bring a diversity of opinions to this website with the common goal of improving the Blackhawks.

  45. Tab suggested, last month, that the hawks take a flyer on 3 college goalies. I think they should. We know what Forsberg and Berube are not…and that is NHL goalies. Let’s hold auditions for these kids and see if we can find another Belfour.
    The 2nd line was highly energetic and productive. Keep that going.
    Oesterle has shown a lack of willingness to actually play defense. I’m sure we can bring some kids up to see what they have.
    Seasons over. Let’s hold auditions for next year.

  46. Spot-on wrap around. The guys have been watching Toews not play the game the right way all season and had to be thinking “oh great he fights a guy once and now all the media will have their lips welded to his arse.” They were right.
    The number of times I have seen him not mark a man this year has been maddening. Too late to make amends for this season, Johnny.

  47. Raptor, you may have something on the Toews getting a little big headed, but that’s not the guy that we know, is it? Toews seems to be a humble young man that would not put himself above the team, case in point, he didn’t wait for anyone to go after Kessler, he did it. I hope that this whole bad year is just that, a one year nightmare.

    According to Dan Carcillo in an MSN report, Johnny Toews has had ALOT more concussions than were reported, over the years. If that is the case, it may take him awhile to just get his game back to the level that we all expect of him. You maybe be right, Raptor, but I hope you’re wrong this time.

  48. No he has to terminate it with his khl team himself, teams can’t buyout khl deals. It happens a fair amount as a way around the no transfer agreement. With the khl teams struggling financially last couple of years a number of khl teams have defaulted on contracts or terminated them too. Leading to players becoming free agents.
    Jack Hughes looks like the next big star and already consensus no.1 pick next year.

  49. Original- Stan will be forced to move slowly because of all the bad no trade contracts he has on the books. Can you imagine the level of play we will see from Seabrook in another 5 years. Nobody will take him now unless the Hawks eat a big part of his salary. I think Stan had a chance to move Keith before the trade deadline if he really wanted to. Keith would have garnered a 1st round pick then. I think the league is starting to figure out now that Keith is quickly declining and I wonder if we could still get a top prospect or #1 draft pick for him.

  50. 1961, you are right, I should have added those danged nmc’s so many players have. Like you, was hoping Keith would be moved by the TDL. I think that some playoff-bound team would have been willing to trade a late 1st rounder or good prospect, but the Hawks would also have required a lower round pick or prospect. Keith is in great physical shape with several years left in him and has a high hockey IQ.

    To move Seabrook, I think the Hawks would have to take back some salary, like you say. They may also have to give up another player or pick. I know someone whose hockey knowledge runs circles around me. We were both stunned when Seabrook received that absolutely insane extension. Nearly every move Stan has made since was from a position of weakness in always needing to navigate the cap.

  51. Serious question here. Has Toews turned Vegan? I’ve heard that a couple of times. I’m not sure how a Vegan lifestyle can fit into pro sports where maximum strength and stamina is required. My daughter is a professional dancer and a vegetarian. Just getting the right protein to maintain her job requirements are not easy, and she’s not as far along as going totally Vegan.
    Might be dumb speculation on my part, but I do really like Jonathan Toews. I like him a LOT! I’m as baffled as anyone though on how he has had some difficulties this year that we are not used to seeing.

    Eat a steak, Jonny!

    Go Blackhawks!!!!

  52. Tom Brady isn’t vegan, originalhawkey.

    And further, any comparison to the Hawks of the last 10 years and the ‘85 Bears is absolutely ignorant. Plain and simple. The resume of Joel Q stacked against that of Ditka’s isn’t even freakin close.

    I’m a Bears fan as well. And the biggest issue with the Bears is that nobody can let go of the damn ‘85 team. It’s insane to me.

  53. Re: Toews – I keep hoping his play is a reflection of his concussion history and that he’ll bounce back. I think you could make a case for that happening with Crosby when everyone thought he was done. Maybe Toews will follow a similar 2 year path.

    But you have to wonder if the personal soapbox he stands on for Onnit and their regimens/philosophies are distracting him from doing the necessary things to be the best player he can be for the Hawks – don’t know if there’s any merit to that POV but I’ve seen Onnit video with Toews and he seemed pretty invested maybe to a point of distraction. I hope it’s not an issue. Just struggling to find an explanation for his poor play and frankly poor leadership this year.

  54. Mox,
    How many NFL and NHL coaches stay with the same team for 1o, 12, 15 years? Very few, right? Why is that?

  55. @ORIGINAL6HAWKEY
    I did look at the article you posted on the NBA players that have gone vegetarian or vegan. I certainly won’t argue that it’s likely a more healthy diet (I have hereditary lipid levels that are through the roof and have to battle incessantly with diet, exercise AND medications to keep me close to a “normal range”. My cardiologist has said I could eat nothing but twigs and leaves and would have cholesterol of 300!!!).

    However, I will argue that hockey and basketball are not the same sport in terms of endurance required over the time spent at maximum effort. That’s why you have NBA players that can stay on the court the entire game, and hockey players that are gassed after a 60 – 90 second shift.

    Also, in the NBA article, as well as others I looked up about NFL players who have gone vegetarian or vegan, a main problem is keeping weight. Going vegetarian is often a way to cut weight, and some of the athletes even complained about it being hard to keep weight and physical strength that is needed to perform. A big reason why a lot of them list the vegetarian/vegan diet as being better is that it keeps them lighter and inhibits pressure on their joints.

    An article I read about Tom Brady said he is high percentage vegetarian because he wants to emphasize flexibility and not be concerned about muscle mass. Some of the basketball players and football players I read about complained about loss of muscle mass.

    This isn’t an angry argument on my part, but I wonder if there is an issue with Toews’ lifestyle and how it impacts his on-ice performance. One report I read (unsubstantiated) is that he’s modified his diet over the last few years and that he thought it impacted his play negatively.

    Sort of reversing thought here ….. if he truly has concussion issues, I wish he’d hang it up. Not because I don’t want to see him play bad hockey. If he’s got concussion issues the risk of getting more concussions that will complicate his life later on is too big a risk to take. I live in an area of the western suburbs where football was once king and is dying out, in part because doctors are having kids quit playing after two concussions, and because kids just aren’t playing anymore due to other health concerns. My son was a promising tight end receiver at 6′ 4″ and 225 as a sophomore, and the varsity coaches then said with his agility they were going to get him up to 300 lbs and make him a tackle. His playing days were over right then! He didn’t have the concussion issues, but getting him up to 300 lbs was NOT going to be a good idea. Sorry for droning on here … but my point is health comes first.

    Go Blackhawks!!!!

  56. Bomba,

    Exactly. Point proven. You don’t fire a guy like Q after one down season. And like it or not, this is the only actual down season they’ve had in 10 years.

    Sure, they were bounced last year emphatically. But they won the west and had a solid year, all things considered. They’ve made the post season how many seasons in a row?!

    Your argument is ignorant, again. The NFL and NHL coaches that don’t last long flame out because they don’t win. Not because they have one down year after they’ve been to the post season the previous 10+ seasons in a row with 3 championships in that time frame.

    Get an effing clue, guy.

  57. Not wishing for it, if Tazer has has more head hits over these yrs that’s good that it has more to do with that then him not being as good as before like people want. He can get back to 100% health wise and be the guy/player we know. He deserves to be at 100% again and play as good as he really is. Heal baby.

  58. I was thinking about leaving with an off yr. Now since you like it so much I am going to stick around for another 10 yrs.

  59. Thanks Reg for the Carcillo news and that makes a lot of sense as some have mentioned fumbling passes and shooting as concussion symptoms could effect those skills.

    As far as the diet question I guess it depends on the individual. My girlfriend is a competitive cyclist and triathelete and is strictly vegan. Don’t tell her that she doesn’t have any strength or power. Her nickname is Queen of the Mountain and routinely embarrasses male riders.

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