Wild Hand Hawks First Regulation Loss of New Year

The Minnesota Wild were a popular pick to win the Central Division in preseason columns this summer. But after only two games, the Wild came into the United Center without a win on the new season.

In the first period, they played like a team that hadn’t played their third game yet (the Hawks were playing their fifth).

After 20 thrilling minutes that included 14 combined shots on goal, the score remained tied at zero.

The score would stay tied until Eric Staal scored with 35 seconds remaining in the second period. Chicago held a 16-9 shot advantage in a second period that included two unsuccessful Blackhawks power plays. But not all was lost in the second. John Hayden landed this bomb on Marcus Foligno.

The Hawks got on the board at 8:21 into the third when Ryan Hartman picked up his second of the season.

Tanner Kero and Patrick Kane were credited with the helpers on the Hartman goal.

Two minutes later we had some controversy. Chris Stewart scored to give the Wild a 2-1 lead but it appeared that Minnesota was offside on the play. The Blackhawks challenged the ruling but the war room in Toronto upheld the call on the ice of a good goal.

Under new rules, the failed challenge gave Minnesota a power play. The advantage ended three seconds prematurely when Jason Zucker extending the Minnesota lead to 3-1.

Stewart added his second of the night into an empty net at 15:56 to make it 4-1 Wild.

At 17:59 Mikko Koivu scored into an empty net to make it 5-1 Wild.

Jonathan Toews scored his third of the year on a Blackhawks power play with 56 seconds left in regulation, but it was too little too late for Chicago. Hartman and Gustav Forsling picke dup assists on the Toews goal.

Corey Crawford finished the night allowing three goals against 31 shots. He hadn’t allowed a second goal yet this season.

Toews extended his point streak to open the season to five games but finished the game minus-three. He won 10 of 21 faceoffs in almost 23 minutes of ice time in the loss.

Hartman had two points and two hits while winning two faceoffs (he didn’t lose one).

Hayden led Chicago with five hits. Duncan Keith blocked a team-leading four shots. And Brandon Saad and Lance Bouma were credited with a team-high four shots on goal each.

Nick Schmaltz was a scratch again due to an upper-body issue but the team is hoping he can return against Nashville.

48 thoughts on “Wild Hand Hawks First Regulation Loss of New Year

  1. Ernue watch play in slo mo again I not sure puck would have went over if seabrooks right skate doesn’t bump it.

  2. I am not talking about instant replay officials again. Everytime they will screw us on replays (unless they absolutely cant)(still might make something up to do it).

    How many times have they screwed us on replays last 5yrs and how many did they make right call.

    After seeing the same thing over and over on replays. Theres nothing anybody can say that these are deliberate doings. They should loud speaker/record the ref conversations.

  3. The question is “did Seabrook have possession of the puck when(or as he) brought it into the Hawk zone”? The answer is “no”. So the offside has to stand.

    If the NHL does not have the video that we ALL saw on television, then shame on the NHL.

    If the linesman said that, in his opinion, Seabrook had possession of the puck as it came back into the zone, then he is mistaken and the replay should have clarified that for him.

    If, after the linesman watched the video and they met with the ref’s, the linesman said to the ref’s, “Seabrook had possession in my opinion”, then that would explain all the meetings, talking and video reviewing and why the call was not overturned.

    I still think it was off side.

  4. Q doesn’t get upset like that post game for no reason, it was clearly off side and it changed the entire game. Horrendous officiating. Ernie is correct.

    On an unrelated note, Forsling wasn’t an NHL D man last year, and nothing has changed over the summer. They are force feeding him in the lineup, he belongs in Rockford. Oesterle is a far better player, Gustafson as well. He was atrocious tonight and in Toronto as well. He needs to go – I 90 west please.

  5. My point remains. The official could have said what hockey ops said. You can nitpick that Seabrook didn’t carry the puck, nor had possession. But it would have been something of an explanation. At which point Q could grab his junk and tell them to grow a pair.

    Marc Joanette the referee declined to give an explanation. Why? How hard would it be to say 7 booted it in your zone? He either didn’t hear the reason in the discussion or disagreed with the linesman’s decision. But its the linesman’s decision to make. So he bit his tongue.

  6. There is plenty of Seabrook bashing on this site and I hate to add to it – because I really believe the guy has been key to the recent run of three Cups – but it seemed pretty clear that if he had decent speed there would not have been any need for the coach’s challenge. Seabrook should have been first to that puck and ended the threat before it really got started.

    If he is one of the slowest skaters in the league now one can’t help but imagine how bad it will be to have 10% of your team’s cap space tied in such a player in 2-3 years – let alone in 5-6 years.

    That boat anchor of a contract is likely to cost Stan Bowman his job within 2-3 years. I don’t blame the player. It was plain stupidity on Stan’s part and he will have to pay the price.

    Good news is that some of the young guys are developing and it looks like they will contribute this year and for some years to come. Unfortunately with nearly $30 million tied up in three guys (7, 19, 88) with one already clearly past his prime and two others who are, at best, still at their peak I fear it will be tough for the Blackhawks to be a top tier team.

    They are still good enough to entertain us and the memories of three Cup wins are fresh but before each forthcoming June one of the younger and faster teams will send our guys home too soon. Fans of almost every other team would be happy to swap for our recent success. It is just frustrating when you think it might have been even better.

  7. Agree with Reg. Disagree with Iceman. Forsling made 1 bad turnover that led to a goal. But I also saw Keith get picked by Ennis that almost led to a goal. I saw Forsling bail out Rutta once. His positioning is better. He could be stronger. For the most part he has been making the right passes. Prior to today he was ahead of Kempny and Murphy in SA%. Oh, and if his toughness is questioned he’s got 15 stitches inside his mouth. He’s greatly improved from last year and even since training camp and preseason where I thought Snug would overtake him. I doubt you’ve seen Oesterle play a real NHL game. Dillon Simpson (who?) Got more NHL games than Oesterle did last year. Despite fewer points in more games. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Oesterle get a game. But Q decided to go with Forsling with a mouth full of stitches than him. Today would have been a good day for Forsling to rest.

  8. Mo the rule says carry or pass. Seabrook dove and missed puck, Wild player missed puck too and went over blueline and puck looked to me anyways( like to see again) that may not have went over on its own and Seabrooks momentum from his slide carried it over when his skate bumped it over. Shitty luck but not sure it wasn’t right call, do wonder to Qs point if that was original call or not because if it wasn’t should it be used to not overturn call.

  9. Regardless … The Wild outplayed the Hawks and deserved to win. Tip of the hat to the Wild and I hope the Hawks will play a better game the next time we meet them.

    Much to dislike in this game. Too irritated to comment now, so I’ll just say this – YAY John Hayden – well done young man.

  10. Carry or pass…means possession. Carry or pass does not mean incidental contact.

    Just re watched the game highlights. The call is correct. But not because Seabrook touched it.

    Toews was in the Wild zone in the corner. He passes to Seabrook at the blue line. Puck takes a wicked bounce over Seabrook stick. Toews is the one that passed the puck into the Hawks zone.

  11. I believe that the Hawks organ-EYE-zation should DEMAND that the NHL either admit that they made a LARGE, INEXCUSABLE mistake on the OFFSIDE call, or admit that they CHEAT. I don’t think it was the deciding factor in this game, but, for-fucks-sake, it is supposed to be a PROFESSIONAL sport.

  12. By the end of season Stan will have to do another Bickell kind of trade to move seabrook cap ! He got caught up again giving out large contracts after winning 3rd cup to seabrook! Same as bickell ! Who’s going to be the next pong unless we eat 2.5 of it ?

  13. Ernie the official nhl statement says the actions of Brent Seabrook caused the puck to cross the line and cired rule 83.1. So obviously got niyhing to do with Toews.

  14. Fair enough. It’s a better explanation than the one the NHL gave. The statements they make, the ones made by anonymous people. Are always questionable at best. Like it was put out by an intern.

  15. Smitty and Slammer…
    Welcome to club Seabrook Slow…

    Well said… Blame SB for signing Slowbrook to a long term , joke of a contract for $7M… Sopelbrook is a # 5/6 D man… and is only gonna get SLOWER!!!!

    Tab, when you going to join the club???

    And that’s why I trade Forsling. … before too many more plays like that…
    Snuggy is better

    If no Schmaltz, when is Q gonna put 19 with 88, and Kampf get call up?

    Imo, 19 won’t help 88 anyhow,, 19 needs 20 and 14 to get the puck

  16. Maybe Seabrook on LTIR? He’s gotta be hurt since he moves that slowly, has made some horrendous passes and seems to have a shoulder injury from carrying those huge payments from his contract to the bank every week?!

  17. I think the question of whether a penalty should have been issued is iffy point. Q said commments about the linesman and the rules which sounds he originally called it as a a puck crossed first. The Blackhawks may have0 challenged that point correctly and were still penalized. The further review agree or disagree shows fairly clear that the puck would not have went into zone on its own without Seabrooks contact.
    To me if thats the case a better solution would have no penalty because original call overturned and on further review good goal because it was deemed Seabrooks skate knocking puck over caused offside to be ignored.

  18. For those out there who are literate, I have never accused Brent Seabrook of being a fast skater.

    That being said, the folks who are advocating a “Bickell-like trade” or “maybe Seabrook on LTIR” need to walk home because you’re drunk. Seabrook isn’t going anywhere.

    To Wall’s hilarious question about Quenneville breaking up his best line right now because Schmaltz is out – pay attention. Last year while the world burned around it Q left Panarin-Anisimov-Kane together. Thus far Saad-Toews-Panik has been money nightly so why the hell would he break that up? Schmaltz is expected to be back this weekend so hopefully it isn’t an ongoing issue. But I would be more in favor of Wingels getting run w/ Kane than someone needing to clear waivers to make room for a Kampf recall.

  19. also, golf clap to WALL for taking a shot at point-in-all-5-games-to-start-the-season Jonathan Toews because no matter how hard he tries WALL has no ability to say anything original in a post. It always comes back to Toews & Seabrook sucking. Wall’s comments are to this board as Washington sports teams are to postseasons. Entertaining but predictable.

  20. It’s pointless to debate the offsides call – it’s over and there’s nothing the Hawks can do about the points in the standings.

    What is relevant is the Hawks play in the game and what it portends moving forward. The main takeaway for me is the inability to clear the d-zone. While all teams get hemmed in during a game, the Hawks get hemmed in more than most. There are reasons it happens with the most glaring reason being the opponent is able to win the majority of the board battles. Poor passing, inexperienced players and inconsistent 5-man structure all contribute to exacerbate the problem, but it starts with losing board battles. While better passing, more experience, and more consistent 5-man structure will help, there isn’t anything the Hawks can do about winning board battles short of getting bigger/stronger players which isn’t going to happen this season.

    Probably the best solution to this team deficiency is to spend more time in the o-zone, and obviously to score more. For that to occur, the passing game must be better than it’s been the last 3 games. It was better against the Wild but still way too many passes off the mark or bobbled reception of passes that breaks the players stride and essentially reduces potential for a successful play.

    What we saw against the Wild last night is what we will see all season long, especially against division teams – and that is a commitment by the opponent to forecheck forecheck forecheck to attack the weak point of the team.

  21. The barrage of criticism directed to Seabrook is wholly unfair. Keith hasn’t been lights out either this year so far. Seabrook is a borderline Hall of Fame D-man, he isn’t going anywhere. Keith & Seabrook will get into their groove, this is a non-issue for the Hawk; if there is a list of concerns, Seabrook isn’t one of them. For the record, neither is Toews.

    I started harping on Forsling last season, and eventually Bowman & Q agreed with me and they sent him to Rockford. I would like to see Forsling play well, it just isn’t happening, and it’s not going to happen. I don’t need to hear about metrics, blah blah blah. Rundblad had good metrics, how did that turn out? Forsling is overmatched more often than not. He needs to play a full season in the minors and let’s see we’re he’s at next training camp.

  22. Forsling is closer to Leddy than Rundblad. Disagree, iceman. Note: I AM NOT SAYING HE IS NICK LEDDY. But he’s a helluva lot better than Rundblad was on his best day.

  23. Forsling has a lot of skill (and upside), but he is 21 and still learning. It’s strange anyone can proclaim, “…Forsling play well, it just isn’t happening, and it’s not going to happen.” (the “not going to happen” at this point)

  24. Forsling is playing fine. Mistakes yes but much better defensively then last year. Much more comfortable and responsible. Play him 20 minutes a night and go from there. If you send him down who’s playing for him. Oesterle?
    Snuggerud or somebody in Rockford who hasn’t faced actual
    NHL competition.
    The kid is 21 and it’s his second year in the states.

  25. The main difference between Forsling and Rundblad is the one thing that can’t be fixed – and that is Rundblad’s inability to mentally process at NHL speed. Forsling may never be more than a bottom pairing guy because he isn’t overly physically gifted, but it won’t be for the same reason Rundblad can’t play in the NHL.

  26. I was trying to figure out the “possession” question in regards to Seabrook and the puck coming over the blue line. When a player jumps over the boards early and the puck comes and hits him in a skate (before the player he was replacing has left the ice) isn’t that too many players on the ice? And isn’t that BECAUSE the player “took possession” of the puck before the other player exited the ice? Isn’t that essentially the same thing with what happened to Seabrook? I agree that Seabrooks contact with the puck was incidental, but it did touch him before going over the blue line…

  27. Tab & Ebony – positions understood. Forsling is only 21, he has great potential, and has exhibited flashes thereof. He certainly isn’t near Rundblad’s egregious level, but he seems to be getting favoritism considering his inconsistent play. All I am saying he needs to time to mature and grow into a solid 2nd or 3rd pair D-man; if he was on a bad team (i.e., like Keith & Seabrook were allowed to play thru years ago), fine, let him play and grow in the NHL. Kempny & Rutta are closer to 30 than to 20, one can see the disparity between their games and Forsling’s.

    The Hawks — as Q likes to say — are deep into the “winning business.” I hope he turns into Nick Leddy II, but he is nowhere near that level yet. Hopefully he gets there sooner than later.

  28. Wonder at some point if Rutta and Murphy’s play was forcing the issue if one of them or no. 7 would play on left side to form the top 2 pairs and Franson right 3rd pair with 42 and 6 doing 3rd left and 7th guy.

  29. How ever good each guy gets, we have them so we good.

    42 is still really young, whats that 200 games played thing again.

    44 is a beauty.

    Snuggerud can be good as well.

    What I like is we have mroe good guys coming that might be/are better then some guys in the spots now. Good problem to have. Its just timing for when we have everybody at once and their established. Then we have a bunch of beautys on D.

  30. Jeeze… I thought only Canucks and Leafs had fans so blinded they couldn’t see reality. Now I’m seeing it from fellow Hawks fans? Seabrook clearly touched the puck last, causing it to go back into the zone. I noticed that on the first replay and wondered why it was taking so long to reject the “hasty” challenge and award the goal. Btw for the record, WTF is a “good goal” NHL. By your own definitions, players and teams get credit (and discredit) for goals—not good goals. It’s either a goal or not a goal. Get a clue NHL. Also, for the record, an unnecessarily hard pass back from Toews (and a crazy bounce) created the whole mess (which yes if Seabrook had any speed could likely have been thwarted before any damage was done) so blame Toews as much as Seabs. Goal allowed. Penalty awarded for losing the challenge. I actually can say the NHL got one right. Unfortunately it was against us then Q risks the early goalie pull(s) and this time we don’t pull off the usual heroics and a miracle ending doesn’t happen. It’s game 4, we will survive. Move on. Bring on the hated Preds that kicked our asses. Bet the team is ready for them this time, assuming Schmaltz is back of course, as he has suddenly become the linchpin of the entire team!

  31. Toews looked slow again against the Wild and a -3. Seabs is a steady dman who has lost a step, we all agree. But this whole mess at the back end is Bowman’s fault or the organization’s failure to draft a dman with top 4 talent since NIK Hammer (Tallon’s pick). And these cap issues are just excuses to leave Bowman off the hook. Forlsing is too thin and light as a dman. Good skills but he is not Nick Leddy who could skate like the wind and was wide and solid on his feet. Explain bonus contracts and wasted contracts on players like WINGELS, BOUMA, TOOTOO, ROZY, DESJARDINS last year, hype with players like BAUN? Not signing KEVIN HAYES way back…. Drafting smallish forwards like LOUIS, DEBRINCAT, HINOSTROZA….

    Kempf and Jurco have size and speed and should be with the Hawks along with Gustafson. Forsling needs to add muscle which may never happen. Vegas has Alex Tuch and Shea Theodore in the minors, two players who can help the HAWKS, especially Theodore.
    The first line is better with SAAD, SCHMALTZ helps the 2nd line but the rest has not changed from last year. Hawks are too slow overall and have no young talen o the blueline, and this falls on Bowman and his pro and amateur scouts.

  32. As a recent tweet I read this morning, the fact that Connor Murphy may not dress again tonight is all on management and coaching. Begs again the question why the HAMMER was traded this off season to Arizona. No reason…. Could have traded him next season if he wanted to but he was trying to be a little Napoleon bully and picked on Hammer. Agaain, very irresponisble and no vision. It has been long disciussed these two are not on he same wavelength. Bring back a real hockey men in Rick Dudley and Dale Tallon.

  33. Did not carry puck- SKATE with puck into defensive zone.

    Did not have possession- CONTROL of puck on stick (and thats not just puck touching stick)

    otherwise if 7 didnt touch puck at all its a normal offsides.

    It doest matter if this player should have done this or should have done that, then it doesn’t happen anyways. What happened is all that matters in the offsides. Complete fuck up of the call and review.

    If there is any question of the call or review, then the league needs to rewrite the rule so its even more clear.

    Not matter how good you play or bad, you need correct calls and good/decent/respectable officiating and reviews. I think they are a disgrace at reviews and adding a penalty on top of makes it a coverup/joke.

    To me I would just make rules more black and white. Doesnt matter if puck touches anything or is carry or possess. Puck in before player (when it touches stick) offsides.

    Black and white.

  34. Tab, what is laughable is u accusing me of no original thoughts. ..

    My thoughts that SB should sell into tdl last year… very original. .. just not acceptable thought to most homers

    My goalie position thought
    And to not Overpay the position. .. once again original .. just not popular. ..

    Yes, i do repeat my rants on horrible SB contract s that… handcuff the Hawks financially.

    But mostly becuase other homers resist the idea… and i just don’t see what they see … yes the guy WAS good… but that was the past… how SB could ink him that long and that much $$$..? Crazy

    And like it or not Toews… is a few years behind Seabs,,, yes, i know he has all these points… with 2 younger and stonger and faster guys helping.

  35. Still waiting on Totti’s proposed trade in how the Hawks would acquire Theodore and Tuch.

    Hawks should get McDavid. I tell you, that dude is gonna be a stud in this league. He’d look great with the warrior head. I think he’d put them over the top.

    Dudley is an assistant GM in Montreal. Those guys are looking like fools right now.

  36. Mo don’t let it get to you. Alot of hockey people questiong why the Blackhawks even challlenged it. As far the post above about the fans stating the obvious with no insight to why it was offside. Then talking about how slow Seabrook is and Toews ridiculously hard pass that went by him at one blueline and Seabrook caught up to dove to make a play on before sliding on his back and hitting this too hard pass before it crossed the other blueline. Seems like theres alot the poster didn’t notice himself.

  37. Yea, I just get extremely pissed when I think/know the refs and/or review officials screw us or when the other team get something (a goal) on crap or garbage they didn’t earn. I know it happens from time to time. Not a big deal, n terms of 82 game record. It is with me for that other stuff though. People can think/believe what they want, I am not trying to make anyone feel whatever because of me/my think/know on something.

    What also really pisses me off is refs/retro active reviews after game is over on late hits/high hits/head contact, whether it was called in that game or not, I donot care, needs to be retro reviewed and suspended/and fined. Especially when I think the other team did it on purpose, like what Phil said about that chicken shit Tortts.

    Get into the moment of wins and ties and donot like getting screwed on anything, even if the other tea did play better then us. That doesn’t mean refs screw us because they played better or Seabs should shortstop chest high drives.

    Need to focus on positive vibes and team getting better. Have fun while doing it to keep mo jo attitude of winning with class.

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