AHL Cancels Season
The AHL Board of Governors has voted to cancel the remainder of the 2019-20 AHL regular season and the 2020 Calder Cup Playoffs due to the ongoing COVID-19 public health crisis.— AHL (@TheAHL) May 11, 2020
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I’m just wondering if these guys are getting paid the remainder of their contracts?
T I last i heard Nhlpa deferred decision on last paycheques until May 15th, end of this week and may forgo them to help escrow payments. Players on Ahl contracts usually paid so much per game, forget the figure, so not likely recieve anything if not playing.
Saying Ahl may not return in it’s current form but a restructured brand sometime during 20-21 season. This could have an impact on rosters and rfas.
There hasn’t been much news on the potential impact of force majeure on player salary payments. As this continues to play out, I expect this to change. As well, what is going to happen to with the season ticket holders and anyone who has pre-paid for tickets?
These are all valid questions you both pose. I know that the AHL guys, even the ones on two-way contracts are not paid very much, so they will be struggling to make ends meet. There will be many AHL franchises that will be shut down or merged with other AHL teams because they can’t afford to go at it alone.
I am just wondering, how many NHL teams might fold because of this shutdown? We just may have Seattle in the league next year as the Seattle Wild or the Seattle Stars or the Seattle Sabres…which franchise(s) do you guys think could be in trouble?
@Ian – thank you for the answer. You, Big Mo (Morrison), Hull, Tim W, BillyReay Cyrus, Stape, Jordy, Tab, and a few others are always a fun read. We need to do something interesting, like read and post on this site until we are let out of our proverbial penalty box. Thanks!
T I, with signings bonuses that are due July 1st regardless if they figure this out or not, that should be first indication if/what any franchises hurting. Keeping Seattle and the 650m franchise fees that it brings have to a priority for the league.
Right now Blackhawks have 22 fwds under contract, plus 4 rfa fwds. There are 14 dmen signed and 3 pending rfas, plus 3 goalies with an rfa and Crawford needing signed or decisions made on, who need a place to play hockey next year. When Ahl is returning has to be big concern too.
Very good decision to cancel the season but not a good news for the Hawks if the NHL start soon.Now let see when the NHL décide to restart the season or cancel.
Not an easy task except iff they play for the TV and a 400 fans crowd . or ? ?
It would be nice if the Hawks could move up to draft pick number 5 or 6 just to get a top 5 this year.
Jordy, I know this isnt hockey at the ski mountains people got the remaining season time off next season tickets. So if 20% of season left next yr season pass is only 80% of normal amount.
With cap staying the same a compliance buyout or two. This I why I trade 12 and 20 to get more top 10/15 picks or young players from TB.
Nice T.I., I think it would be wise to forget the entire season so the Hawks can get a higher draft. On the other hand, if they do start again and the Hawks sneak into the top 24 teams, and get sweeped badly in the first round maybe Wirtz finally moves on from Bowman and Colliton. Then, hire Laviolette as coach and if Mark Hunter refuses an offer, Mike Futa is now available as he left his assistant GM job in LA to pursue a GM title. He is a well respected scout and hockey mind which can be a welcomed addition to the HAWKS, Then name Eddie O as president!
Trade a Young 22years old 25-30 goals And 50-60 pas per year for a draft pick ?
It’s possible but I don’t think it’s a good idea at all ..We are in search for players like him
DCat is probably with the team for another 5-7 years minimum .
maybe Saad ,and a few older players but not a Young Future core player.
Problem now is D Cat going to be able to live up to his new contract?
Hawks management has already traded away most of their former first round picks.
Teuvo….Schmaltz…Panarin could have been nice players for the Blackhawks for 5-7 years if Bowman hadn’t traded them.
For a draft pick?? Do high draft picks not give you at least a chance to potentially land a really good player. Fans seem to underestimate the potential value of draft picks.
Draft picks are the life line of all Blackhawks future teams.
Trading draft picks for guys like Andrew Shaw is not wise.
Bowman needs to be fired….now! Colliton need to be fired….now!
Talking about draft picks, the Blackhawks are presently slated for 2nd, 3rd and 4th to pick at 56, 71 and 78, with very good players still being available. Saw rankings that came out yesterday, had Goalie Nico Dawes at 56, Dman Joni Jurmo at 71 and Egor Sokolov at 78. That with a top 10 pick would be a wow top half of the draft to me. Hawes a no.1 goalie of future potential, Jurmo a project with potential to be one of the best defenseman of this draft down the road and Sokolov a big 2way good skating power forward who scores goals. Unlikely they take all these but with that calibur of player available that deep in the draft, getting it right there too as well as the 1st pick, could be a game changer in couple of years.
Add to it with cap issues and expansion draft in next few years, there should be opportunities to acquire high end young players that teams will be struggling with cap and unable to hang to them. Pick your spots right and potential is huge. Limited roster movement is all that is really essential before the start of next season, and that is easily attainable. More movement can be done if it’s in the cards too.
Getting front office straightened out on who is running things. My choices as i said prior are Sharp as President and Al MacIsaac promoted to Gm, seamless transition and somebody who Sharp is familiar with and can be asset to him as he assumes control and let them pick their head coach at that point.
I hope Debrincat is given longer to prove his worth than others with this organization. Please let him live up to it. No trade for a draft pick that might or might not even play in the NHL.
Agree with Hawks2010.
I don’t think I would trade DeBrincat, and I would also re-sign Strome to a 2 year deal. I would draft a center with our top-10 pick, and let him develop for a couple of years. In that time, either Strome shows us that he is a legit #2 center and deserving of a larger deal, while Dach is a #1, and Captain Johnny moves down to # 3. If Strome plays the way he did most of this season, then we can trade him and move top-10 pick in as #3 center behind Capt John and Dach! I just look at Strome’s brother, who was basically dog-shit until this year, and now he’s really blossomed. Our Strome is better, so let’s give him some time. I am OK trading Saad. The guy makes $6M a year and is just not that guy. There are lots of better $6M players I’d rather have. Also, I agree with Hull, I want Laviolette as our next coach. I don’t think Rocky is going to oust Bowman. We don’t know who was responsible for these stupid contracts or trades. Was it McDumbass or Blowman? I guess Rocky thinks it was McDumbass!
Interesting exit interview with Derek King in Rfd., Talking about players who could make a rumoured expanded 30 man roster from 23 next year because of Covid-19. He mentioned Hagel, Entwistle and Carlsson as guys who had good years likely to get a chance. Kurashev he praised but said he is still a year or 2 away. Mentioned Sikura as a possibility too. If they expand rosters, some relief around a non rising cap could be included in that likely. Owners reportedly not for a compliance buyout, so that looks unlikely.
Debrincat won’t going anywhere anytime soon i don’t think. His scoring should return, most goal scorers have extended slumps in their careers. Would like to see him play a little hungrier, if that’s the right word and clean up his errand passes, shoot when he has opportunity. Plus little more effort on defense be good at times, makes some nice takeaways at times, others just seems to put out a halfhearted attemp, say for Strome on the last part too. Wonder how Entwistle work on the rightside with those 2 on a 3rd line, looks like could work to me.
Yea you guys know what I am saying. Not a pick from 15-30 F that. Something like 6-15 and 6-9 prob doesnt happen so a 10-15 pick.
I would rather keep 20 unless we can get something good. I like 12 but hes not as good as Sharpy or Steeger on D even though he scores more then 10 and 32/23.
Thought the idea was HHNl deep quality. Thats why we donot want/or rather have a good two way player like 20 and not like 12 and 8.
This is where 86 was a keeper being good at both like 10 and 32 and 36.
I know about young wavers but we need to gather and finetune the young wave to the two way style. Sure we can have some OFF oriented FWs but lets get it maxed with what we got.
I am fine with keeping 12 and 20. Like them. Though this might be the only chance/time to get a 10-15 pick for them or TB young players.
We can win with 12 and 20 though that means we need to get other key spots from elsewhere and high end players usually only come from top 5/10/15 picks. Otherwise your paying bigtime for ufa or more in a trade. So we have options and it could be wise to do that.
It could also be wise to not and keep 12 and 20. We just need to be able somehow to add other key players without a top 15 pick.
I am not giving up on 12 for scoring ot being a really good player. Just that if he is not good at D like Sharpy and Steeger were then thats why. HHNL quality deep is why.
Otherwise 12 is exactly what we want in a top 9 FW on a Cup deep roster.
The draft player we get this draft should/could be better then 12. So trading 12 and 20 get us 3 of that quality, maybe.
Really were looking for young core players like 20.
77 is and this draft pick prob is.
If you stay status quo, does in 2 years
Saad Toews Kubalik
No.1 pick Dach Kane
Debrincat Strome Barrett
Nylander Kurashev Entwistle
Crawford or ufa if health stops him and Delia
New coach and Gm
Does look like a lineup that’s getting close to contending to anybody. To much Bowman influence for some i know.
Derek King sums up Rockford and Bowman pretty well.
Basically, in a nut shell, Enwhistle needs to improve on his skating. Did not think Hagel would actually stick in the AHL after camp. Big jump by Carlsson, but probably the only player who we will see down the line in the NHL is Kurashev, a 4th round pick.
Typical Hull, you whine about no developing happening in Rfd., then when King talks about how far some have developed, your best response is to trash the players instead of being glad to hear it.
If Ripper and I were in command I can guarantee you that Saad, Strome and DeBrinicat are on the trading block. If value could be derived, then I fire the weapon and make the trade. DeBrinicat is too one-dimensional for my hockey taste. Scoring is always a great asset of course, but the little fella gets blown off the ice too often and can’t keep up in the defensive zone. Saad has seen his best days and is in decline. Strome was a guy who we caught some lightning in a bottle with, but now time to admit defeat on that one.
Serious question here…
How can they not cancel the rest of the season…?
Will there be no “off season” then…?
Will the 202-21 season begin in December or even later…?
I don’t see a realistic path to resume this season…
2010 and me saying same thing the 3mths off mid march to mid june is a whole summer off season right there.
The 21 season might not start until JAN if fall sports are not. NCAA fall sports is the guage.
Joey last i heard on next season is possibly late Nov. or Dec. start, after a 6 week or so off season, with no all star break or week off scedule. If, a big if, they complete season by mid May or close to it, 3 rounds could be completed by end of June and finals in July, then just have draft, buyout period and normal end of June stuff at end of July. Then by mid Sept. be good to go for training camps and on schedule for 21-22 season. How to finish this season though is pretty cloudy yet.
They normally play about 16 maybe 17 games in a 31 day month, Dec. & Feb. be 14 games so could average say 15 games a month from Dec. thru April, is 75 games and 2 weeks in May for other 7 games, should be doable. Getting to that point is the big problem.
Mon General BT-if you try you can find faults-reasons to trade almost anyone in the league. There are few untouchable players, but you won’t find willing partners (GMs) to trade players, unless they have faults of their own that they (GMs) question and again draft picks are huge gambles.
How many players will you get that scored 87 goals in less than 3 seasons? His first three. Strome maybe could be bait. Saad was one of the few consistent players on the team last year. Sorry I don’t get it.
If you can fleece another team-great. Good luck!
If Mitchell is able to burn a elc year this season, Dach, Mitchell and Boqvist will all need extended in summer of 2022. If you look at current contracts there is Dehaan, Shaw, Maatta if still around and Murphy on expiring contracts. Also Seabrook becomes a modified no trade clause that year in which he xan be asked to submit a list of teams he’d go to. At that point whether on ltir or if still playing, his actual salary if signing bonus paid first would 4.1m less than his caphit last 2 years, after this current stress on teams, budget concious teams be in the market for financial value like that. So even without raises in the salary, there should be lots of room to keep them around.
With Smith and Saad expiring next summer and Toews, Kane, Keith and Debrincat up in 2023, if just keep drafting and developing for a couple of years, there will lots of cap space available to load up with high end trades or ufas at that point to go with who peaking young players, developing high picks and Kane, Toews for a few more years. There is some real hope hear.
I have nothing against 12 but how many goals was he on for agasint. Not saying hes a J. Neal quality of player or anything. Just that he might not be as good as 20 is in the GF/GA overall. Still hasnt started prime yrs yet so he will get better. What I was saying is this might be the time to do it or we still have some time though that to do it to load up young wave.
If we pick a top 15 pick and the player is the same kind of player 12 is then whats the point. The players is a HHNl deep/20/77 like player in the way of two way style then thats the idea.
My idea fro trading 12 20 others is for who could be worth enough to get top 10/15 picks. Not to just trade them trying to hope for sell high buy low. Strictly for getting top 10/15 picks. Its that or ufa high prices. We need to do both at some point. So if were loading up young wave-to the max you trade them to get younger high end players of equal quality.
Young wave loaded, 19 88 2, high end ufas in prime of prime yrs when we have lots of space, and ufas/trades for roles like Krugs/Frozal/Bolly/Shaw style players that arnt already here in the system.
Mo think Debrincat gets another year or 2, to show he’s a keeper. I’d say we are in for couple more years of mediocre hockey then be the time assemble a roster that can be a powerhouse again.
You know 19 and 88 be around to be part of it, 7 and 50 be past there time and 2 could play a reduced support role maybe at that point. You know Dach, this years top pick with Mitchell and Boqvist will counted on and you would think Kubalik will given that opportunity too. Saad and Strome may get moved on from, and the rest of the youngsters coming through now will get a chance next couple of years to step up show they belong on the roster.
The next couple of years will be about filling in the holes in next 2 or 3 years time the salary basically resets to start from zero.
That sounds right for what will happen. Just think only way to get top 10-15 pick this yr in addition to what we got already.
For next two yrs we could get 2 more top 15 players.
Thought is better to get two more then be only a little better and get stuck with pick 15-20.
Nows a good time to make sure were picking 3-10/15 for next two yrs. Then were talking about 6 top 5/10-15 picks counting Mitch and also have 12.
Let more of the younger players play if there are ready enough. I know we donot want to piss off Crow.
Once young wave takes hold. Thats it theres no more top 5/10-15 picks again. We ll be picking 22-30 every yr again.
This is the time to gather elite draft players. The moar the merrier.
I would do what your saying and only trade 17 and 20. Unless 12 starts scoring 10 goals every yr hes going to be just as valuable for trade now and in 3 yrs.
We might not/prob not be stacked enoug to only need to add players like 27 11 91 80. So maybe two of them. We ll have the capspace without 7 and others by then.
Thats why I say just let 7 contrcxat go on its own/complience buyout. That is about the time were loaded again anyways.
Keep everything we got and load up. Then add ufa when we are ready and have lots and lots of space.
That’s just it Mo, with everybodys contract up in next 3 years, keep who you want. If Strome and Kubalik resigned likely only 2 or 3 year deal to see where they are at in a couple of years. Saad an ufa next summer may be looking for another long term deal, so may not want to give him that. Yeah with salary cap basically going to zero, ability to bring in whoever they want will be there in couple of years and new young core guys just coming into their peaks. Lots of options available
Sven Baertschi , 27, available Mr. Bowman. Skilled playmaking winger with NHL experience.
Ian, no need to be so negative and harsh. King is being positive about players that are bottom 12 (or AHL) except maybe Kurashev, read between the lines. What else can he say, we have the next Kaner or Toews or Hossa or Hammer, or Sharp. Get real, these are slim pickings and if you know my history, I did mention last year that Kurashev had NHL potential. The rest of what King so gallantly said for the team and the owners who pay him, is that there was some improvement. Now, I guess after seeing Gilbert, Sikura, Hagel and Wedin play this season, you figured they might be the next best thing? Come on, it’s great that King towed the party line, it’s his job. But, if you haven’t watched this guys play or if you did, you can see that maybe Kurashev has some NHL potential IQ, the rest fills today’s Bleacher report during this COVID 19. Easy now, it’s ok. We can move on from Mr. King’s positive outlook. Oh, Entwhistle, is a slow skater but a hard worker…maybe a 4th line winger but you need skate if you want to chase Kane during practice or McDavid, McKinnon, Blake Wheeler, etc… Good luck!
Be safe Chicago!
Food for thought Ian!
Our own Mr Stan Bowman once said back in 2011 when he nervously sold everyone except his own father, that in a CAP era we must improve from within and stay relevant like the Red Wings have done for over 20 years. Well, this is something he failed at which is why he signs Div 2 Swedish league players, German free agents, Arizona league free agents, Bouma & Kunitz?….and drafts soccer goalies from Belgium.
No Hull you continually miss my point, you see one tree, Stan Bowman and refuse to look at the rest of the forest, maybe someday you will.
Thats the idea just make sure we load up young wave as good as we could.
This coronavirus cap is going to help us big time. Bring those prime of prime yr ufa players to use right when we need them and can cap space wise.
Mo I’ve heard about the silver linings of the virus-less CO2 emissions, less car accidents, life slowing down a bit with greater reflection, etc,,.
But please explain how the Hawks having less money to spend next year helps a team with two players making 21 million (add in 2 and 7 and you have 4 at about 33 million)
They were really happy when it looked like it was going up a couple of months ago–(Below thoughts of writers pre-co-vid)
How the Blackhawks will manage with limited salary-cap space is almost an annual guessing game for NHL observers. They’ll have over $72 million invested in 16 players for 2020-21, with long-time starting goalie Corey Crawford an unrestricted free agent while forwards Dominik Kubalik, Dylan Strome and backup Malcolm Subban are restricted free agents.
A higher salary ceiling will provide the Hawks some much-needed flexibility.
Rocky isn’t going to accept next season being non-playoff result. Toews, Keith and Crawford are clearly in decline, and yet no chance the Hawks move on from any of the three. They will each be in a Blackhawks uniform until that time they retire…Rocky isn’t going to make the mistakes of his daddy Dollar Bill, and is smart enough to understand the marketing goodwill of keeping franchise cornerstones on the ice, even if they become liability relics.
I’m not a Debrincat fan and don’t believe he fits a core style of two-way forward play that, hopefully, gets reinstalled once Colliton gets axed. How you win in the NHL is how you won the past 20 years….with premium focus on puck possession and tireless two-way forward play in support of a defense that can also move the puck and a stout goaltender. Debrinicat fits none of that profile. His fans will laugh and say, but you can’t get rid of 40 goal potential ! Well, I say yes you can. And in fact, you have to.
Strome? Decent journeyman player who the Hawks already caught lightning in a bottle with. But with him getting more expensive and the salary cap problematic, he’s replaceable in the big scheme of things.
Noonan, GBT my thoughts is you won’t see major changes in on ice personnel before next season. Bowman made the comments retool may take longer than they thought and basically core players have a contract, he is still here. A simple move of Maatta, either trade or buyout and some use of ltir will surely be available to start season, would be more than needed to resign rfas they want and Crawford. Then Mitchell and other young players will get a chance, especially if they expand rosters for next season. With no seeming hurry to replace McDonough and timing of his firing, looks to me like very little activity with roster will happen, rather maybe want to make sure when they come out the other side of covid, the organization model is on good shape for what they want to do in a year or 2 or 3.
With Saad, Smith, Kampf and maybe Crawford only signs for a year, 4 expiring contracts that could maybe be moved during season, with nobody to resign but them next summer, lots of options available and have ability to make more moves at that point. Everybody on roster is up for job assessment in next 3 years and can be reupped or moved on from and to Mos point lots of teams will have to most likely move on from coveted players and Blackhawks may be in prime spot to take full advantage.
I wasnt looking at this yr. Looking at roster in 3 yrs like Ian said. When we wont have 3/4 of roster on 23man. Sure we ll keep who we want from who we have now.
I am saying its very good for us. Were lucky because we donot have to resign good young players like the top teams have to right now/next couple yrs.
We let all these caphits that people are so worried about just run out on there own and we ll have prob 50 m to spend on who we want to keep and add ufa wise and then thats when we need to pay young wvae bridges/real contracts.
Its going to work out really good for us. 3 yrs and on from now.
Right now this yr next yr who gives a shht. Right now we want top 5/10 picks while were reloading rebuilding rewhatever anyone wanst to call it.
Timing is huge for us on this.
GBT not saying they won’t may playoffs next, year in fact likely have a very good chance with development of youngsters. A taste of playoffs is needed before you take next step and could very well be a good thing.
General, thats what I am looking at. Big picture.
I would be more inclined to get a better look at DeBrincat with a real Center and consistent linemates for a full season.I would rather see Killorn here instead of SAAD.Hopefully the new regime that comes in gets rid of the softness on this team along with the damaged and concussed brigade.Its a win now business.I know the reality is that you can not accomplish this in 1 offseason with all the uncertainty in the league going on right now.This current roster needs a bulldozer.The keepers and ones you can,t move are Kane,Toews,Keith,Dach,Kubalik,Boqvist,and DeBrincat.I would give Hagel,Carllson,Mitchell,Beaudin,Barratt,Kurashev,Fortin,and a couple of young goalies every opportunity to win spots.That would leave you with about 3 forward spots to fill and 2 Defenseman spots to fill with acquisitions,free agency,or Draft Pick.
TimW if as we are hearing is right and the rosters are expanded to 30 and into next season because of restrictions around how games are played. Those guys would get a chance next season, if Kings comment are an omen, then i would add Gilbert and Entwistle as players who may be part of the 30. Kurashev who he said injury slowed his development and Beaudin who he didn’t really talk about may be in call up role. Rfas being resigned in Rfd. may have a big stake in whether an Ahl season can go next season or not.
If a 3rd goalie on nhl roster is used next season in expanded rosters, would maybe allow Nalimov to sign which would be an one elc and remain on Nhl roster without demotion being an issue. Then next sumner be an rfa for one more year who wouldn’t be waiver exempt. Could also be used to resign Subban if not too.
Tim, I like your general idea on who to keep and not. It simple and makes sense.
Noonan, donot get me wrong I do care about people for virus stuff. I just looking at our position situation of the team organization and where we need to get to and this making salary cap to whats its going to be the next 36 mths. Were lucky on that. We paid the price for being the dynasty team so I think its fair its comes back to us like that so we rebound back to a top team.
Timing of the whole thing. Couldnt have worked out any better.
Mo in no way did I feel you were doing that.
The next year will be interesting in so many ways for the Hawks and the NHL.
I was and still are big fan of Panarin, but if he stayed with or without Hammers deal, does that bring another cup? If Panarin stays are Dach, Boqvist and another top 10 pick in play? Would the ability to resign or move on from everybody on roster in next 3 years, while those 3 picks, plus hopefully Mitchell, Debrincat and Kubalik come into there peak be there? Which may play a huge part of the future of the Blakhawks.
I know man thats cool just didnt want others to think anything. I knew what you were saying.
Thats what I was saying last fall and last two yrs that the ‘tank’ and ‘tamp’ ufas that people yell about/and rightfully so, that is why we got those top 5/10 players. So in a way your not looking to do that, although it was genius. Now get some more top 5/10 players and then get smart with the moves and roster.
Mo, look down the road maybe in a couple of years when weeding out salaries who aren’t staying, be able to have room for guys who will be ufas like Seth Jones one year and a Bo Harvat the next or that type and age to be final touches off teams that may not be able to resign them. Have the young guys hitting their peak and Kane, Toews and Keith still contributing. Potential is definitely there.
Yea thats what I am talking about. A yr ago or so we listed the top/better ufa players for the summer. Last summer this summer. now that were in a reset for the league/salary cap because of the virus cap. We can look the same way at those summers for top/better ufas players that we ll be like a Soupy Hoss Madden Oduya Richy.
That is where were at and what we can do.
So what age now are we looking at players at 25 to be ready when were ready to get them like Soupy and Hoss.
Thats our best shot with 19 88 2. Then 2 retires and 19 88 have some more yrs left to win again.
We should make the list of top ufa DEF and FW for summer of 22 and 23.
Tazer to Hoss
Tazer to Jammer
Tazer to Timmo
Tazer to ? whos next
I seriously hope that is how it happens, give 19, 88 and 2 a real chance to win again and a solid core that can continue to be cup competitive when they hang them up.
That has to be the plan or what in the are we doing here.
When we look back it might have been genius to get those two summers od ‘tank’ ufas and last summers ‘temp’ ufas. Its what got us 2, so far top 5/10 draft skill players.
Ahh…General Turgeson. Brig. Gen. Jack Ripper here! I told you to stop drinking the water. No…I don’t agree with you on Strome, or Cat. Yeah- you are correct re their deficiencies. BUT-I’d put an Entwhistle with them for mucking & grit balance the next 2 years. Saad… yes… he’s got to go. Colliton IS Dr Strangelove …staid, unimaginative, married to fitting players to his schemes& NOT fitting schemes to his players ( even on a shift by shift basis). AND…speaking of Dennis Gilbert…. every team needs a character crazy or 2 or 3 on their team like Gilbert. Gilbert IS Maj King Kong.Fu@&king A!!!! Finally…I like Kurashev’s, Barratt’s & Teply’s game. I’d play ‘em “ next” year. My rationale…rebuilt now. …& my bodily fluids have been invaded by China. FU&@K China!!!!!
PS- a rebuild just “may” give us immediate positive result with the right coach.At worst- we get a couple high draft picks with the right GM.
Mo not sure about the whole genius master plan bit, quite likely getting the salaries aligned may have been to do with potential work stoppage first. That could be why Bowman changed course on team direction. Taking longer retoool than originally thought may have opened the door to approach retool differently.
Mo, do think though that part of the reasoning on moving Panarin besides capspace, was not keeping him was more beneficial to the retool. Keeping him would have meant going all in right away to win and probably wouldn’t have been the right move at the time.
Yea not planned genuis genuis though because its why/and other things we got 27 77.
27 77 are going to be high end core players and we only have them because of those things.
That right there could be the difference in winning again.
Thats why I want to load that young wave Baybaaaay!
The lottery balls still the same for the draft. That was just talk right?
Should find out next week, but some push back against changing draft. So maybe that goes away, been quiet on it last week or 2.
Panarin has 264 points in 227 games since being traded by our guru Stan Bowman. Panarin has made the playoffs every season playing with who???
Be safe Chicago!
Boys- trying to “ read “ the mind of an idiot ( Bowman) is an exercise in idiocy itself. Kane- Toews contracts-a good move by Bowman…BUT also questionable as to what Toews was paid. Kane IS the only superstar on the Hawks. Toews-a star every team would love to have. He does the unselfish, arduous, not flashy work that allows a player like Kane to do his thing. Kane-10 mil- Toews-8.5 mil. After this move- things went to shit…& No-man has been scrambling to right the ship ( unsuccessfully. ) ever since. Shall we look at the proofs? Dunc , Seabs, Bickel, Crow contracts and bringing “back” Saad which begot “having” to “rid” the team of Panarin & Teuro. Hossa contract I’ll defend til th cows come home. But for his medical stuff, he would still be a pillar with the Hawks. He, like Toews did all the dirty work needed for “ team” success. No boys…I have no faith in Bowman. I side with Hull. Of course…”I could be full of shit.( just wanted to give my view from the cheap seats)
PS- F&$K China.
To add to what Tim said–From 2009 to 15, for me, it would be hard to say who was more valuable-19 or 88.
Kane has able to elevate his skills, keep them relevant for more years than Toews, and ultimately will probably have more of a superstar status than J.T. That seems certain.
Can we really say for the first part of the decade one was better or more important-I can’t? and remember the talk of best player in the world at one point-87 or 19? it was legit talk.
They both got the same money because they both earned it. In some ways 19 earned it more often and in multiple key roles. What the NHL has now done is doing a better job of not paying future money for past contribution as often as it did 5 or 10 years ago-that’s good. Chicago didn’t, especially for Seabs.
Noonan, agree about the Crosby/ Toews best player in world was a legitimate conversation and Toews contract was fair. However bad deals likes Seabrooks are going to happen no matter how you do it, fact of sports. Until i see the Oilers, Leafs winning more than 3 cups, don’t agree it’s better. I’m kinda old school and think you should earn it first, is the best way. I’d sooner have a few years of paying for winning, than paying and not winning at all.
Tim2 not reading Bowmans mind, just saying what i think is best route for organization and hope that is what happens in next few years. Looking back seems to point to fact it may very well be what is going on.
That’s fair- Ian. I’m still pissed about Panarin deal. PS- F/@K China.
Tim2 as i posted above, i am a Panarin fan too, but answer 3 questions.
If Panarin stays does that bring another cup?
If Panarin stsys, does drafting Dach, Boqvist and another up coming top 10 pick happen?
If Panarin stays would ability to keep or move on from every player on roster in next 3 years and reset salary cap, future core be a possibility?
I know my answers and hopeful it works out for best. I still doubt Colliton is a coach who can take them to another cup and not sure Bowman should be guy picking the next coach.
You should use your same logic when you say the Hawks should ride Towes, Kane and Keith until they have no trade value.
If these three players stay does it bring another cup?
Would Chicago get higher draft picks without Towes, Kane, Keith?
Can you imagine what Chicago could do with the extra cap space?
Future core possibility?
Just something to think about!
Stape, difference is the organization chose to lock up the players you mention long term with nmcs, as pay for bringing 3 cups. The ability to assess that is coming, as i said. The contracts of 19, 88, and 2 are up in 3 years when things should really be heating up for playoff runs again. Seabrook contract becomes a modified ntc in 2 years, with flexibility to move on from him and honor the terms of his deal if they want. The lower salary vs caphit should make his contract moveable at that point, to a what likely will be a few budget teams at that point on other side of stoppage. Capspace will be there when needed to be players for younger future ufa core pieces, to compliment current high draft picks.
I do think that they can win a cup again with 19, 88 and 2 on the roster. Maybe 19 and 2 with different roles but still key contributors and 88 still doing 88 things but time will tell i guess.
Draft picks are essential part of it for sure, but are they all that it takes, i think the Leafs and Oilers show that’s not the case. So just saying finding the right combination is key. Look at Blackhawks cup teams, draft a major part of it but so were players like Hossa and Sharp etc.
Ian you are totally right about the nmcs. Looking back rewards for winning cups beyond big dollar contracts was not smart. Handcuffing the ability to trade pretty much everyone.
This is another reason why Bowman needs to go.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion… I personally see Chicago as having no chance of winning the cup in the near future. The only way they can even possibly make the playoffs is if the NHL allows 24 teams in.
You and Morrison seem to think this young wave of talent is coming is going to turn the Hawks into Stanley cup contenders again. I think you guys are having some sort of pipe dream.
In the latest hockey news prospects ratings Ian Mitchell is rated I believe 80 and Beaudin at 94. To think Entwistle and Barratt who were both fourth line players when they played in the world jrs will make a difference in Chicago seem like a stretch. I hope they can help… I don’t really see it.
A lot of NHL teams have not only better NHL prospects than Chicago there are teams with more and better picks coming in the draft than Chicago.
The Leafs could easily turn out to be a very bad example they are really young and really talented and will be cup contenders for sure.
No teams win the cup without good drafting….none!
Big week for the NHL, they need to announce something before Memorial Day.
The weather is warming up and people from the Jersey shore to the California coast are jonesing to get outside and have fun. We’ve already seen the crowds on the national news coverage.
If the League waits until June to announce plans, will anybody be paying attention?
You might be right Craig. I can’t wait for baseball.
Saw the 2013 Junior game Russia vs. Canada last night.
Kucherov and Yakupov vs. MacKinnon and Nugent -Hopkins
Canada had a young Malcolm Subban in net and a promising Mark McNeill as a shut down guy. (Binnington was 3rd string)
McNeill played for EHC Lintz last year. (Austria)
Yakupov could fly back then-what a waste.
Finally!!!!Ryan F’ing Fedrau….well done piece. Thanks. Kudos… Stape. Me… I want the rebuilt cuz if we win next year with a coach NOT named Colliton and NO Bowman’s around-great. If not- we draft. Be safe. PS- F@&k China.
Time will tell Stape. If Leafs do someday happen to put a cup in the books, the signing of Tavares and acquisitions of Andersen and Muzzin are perfect examples that you need to compliment good drafting, as i said. To become a better model of the Blackhawks dynasty, that isn’t even a legitimate conversation yet.
Whether the draft takes place in June or whether it takes place in September or October, the Hawks have one guy lined up.
Don’t bother chattering about Lundell or Rossi or anybody else.
You making the call on Sanderson, are you Craig.
Boys: No hockey, jobs lost, people dying…I have only one thing to say this morning……F&@K China!!!!!
Oh….& F&@k China.
Ian. I no longer think they are going to pick Sanderson. I believe there’s a new front-runner/favorite.
Kinda hoped they wouldn’t take Sanderson, because against protected competition in usdp he apparently has trouble keeping speedy forwards from getting past him. Interested who your thinking, i am wondering now if maybe Askarov to address goalie of future would he be considered best player available, if they don’t move from where they are now.
You nailed it. If Askarov is still available, Hawks are grabbing him. They love his talent.
Wow. Craig I am really surprised.
Drafting a goalie in the top 10 seems really risky.
Craig their next 3 picks at 56, 71 and 78 will have some nice talent still around then too, really interested in who they go for with them also.
Stape. I asked the same exact question. But they love Askarov’s talent, especially if he’s around at 9 or 10th overall.
I sniffed around Lundell because he would seem like the logical forward there At 9 or 10 and didn’t get much, lukewarm.
Craig just hope they get it right. I can see how Askarov could be considered BPA, the best player available at that point.
Uhh… I forgot to add- F$&K China!!!!
Agree drafting a goalie that high is not the norm, but on other hand if you want to a develop a young goalie for the future, if the best one in upcoming draft happens to be who they consider is best player available at 9th or 10th spot, if they believe he is worthy, could make sense to take him.
Ian. I think they view it much like the 2012 draft when Teuvo T. fell into their laps. They just could not pass on the most talented guy available at that point.
With no combine and no Junior or NCAA post season, organizations are working on limited information with viewings over. So there are way more question marks in this draft than ever. You mentioned the next three picks all being in the top 80 overall. I would expect the Hawks to swing away at talent. No “safe picks”
If the land Askarov in the first round and one other kid who is a sleeper in rounds 2, 3 or 4, this draft will be a success.
Interesting how the Athletic has a story out this morning about how this a forward heavy draft and whoever Chicago takes will become their top forward prospect outside the NHL.
That sounds about the way i was looking at it, Craig. I actually questioned about a month before World Juniors that Blackhawks quite possibly be picking around 10th and Askarov maybe being available, if they would view him high enough to pick him. With Bowmans history of not taking goalies in early rounds, was kinda of iffy on what they’d do.
Good forward depth can still be found with next 3 picks, a potential superstar unlikely and harder to find those keepers for sure, but good depth with a high ceiling, is very possible. Like you say normal amount of scouting will not be done, makes the mlb draft model of fewer rounds maybe make more sense and make assessing undrafted free agents alot more of a game changer.
Ian… you posed three questions on the 17th. I’ve been so pissed about China and Wall Street trashing our economy, that I’ve zoned out.
Q1- Answer- maybe. The year Panarin was traded, I think the Hawks had enough to not only make the playoffs, but make some noise. In Panarin’s last season with Hawks, he did disappoint in the playoffs. But… so did others. ( it was as bad as when Penguins came back to beat us)
Q2-Q3: Answer… no. That’s on Bowman though. Ian, my brother… one more thing I’d like say ( to get it off my chest)….
F?;K China. Peace out.
OK nobody else seems interested (or willing) to say this so I guess I will-Tim2
I’ve zoned out on your comment(s)-yes there are lots of questions and lots of fault to go around-including health organizations and government leaders, especially one.
But now is not the time, that is not the way, nor is this the forum. Time to move on.
Noonan96-you’re right. I’m a JFK dem. I watched him & The Rev Dr King get killed by the deep state. If Trump doesn’t win in 2020, The “New” Dems & China will have their way-a United States of China with no cars, no cows, no church, no jobs, no freedoms, no MLB, no NFL, no NBA no hockey will be our future. You’re right though, Nunes, to call me out. @ age 72, having fought for freedoms in the ‘60s, its tough to witness the sheer madness of the new left, their new media. Out of respect for you & all who post here, I won’t post anymore- I’ll just keep up by reading the posts…because “here” at this posting site, regular people can talk hockey. I shouldn’t have brought up non hockey stuff..Nunes-this is not an affront to you…..I just have to say…F&@K China!
Tim sure your a good guy but people come here to escape politics and talk hockey, most prefer to leave it elsewhere.
Ian. The Athletic’s Scott Powers wrote today about goalies. The Hawks are not signing Gravel and might they look at drafting Askarov.
Couple of interesting nuggets : Corey Pronman has Askarov at #5 in his mid-season ratings from late January. He also quotes a Scout as saying that when it comes to picks 15, 20 and beyond, there are no franchise players so when you have a chance to draft a talent like Askarov you do it.
One other thing, I posed a question to somebody recently who knows he USHL front and back. I posed he dilemma :if you could draft Jake Sanderson and believe he might be the heir apparent to Duncan Keith and pass on Askarov would you do it ?
I was told I was looking at it from the wrong angle. Take the guy who has the most talent, every time.
Problem is if the guys who evaluated Gravel are the same guys that are evaluating Askarov. Do you trust their judgement?….I don’t
Like I said previously…… taking a goalie in the top 10 seems really risky.
Craig makes sense when put that way, if you get the best player available with your top pick on regular basis, the rest will take care of itself. If in 2 or 3 years time they decide to be players again free agent market and upgrade that way. There is alot of big names in late 20s age group that are forwards and defense also. Be a great time sign a Horvat or Barkov if there, when they can structure roster fit who they want.
Gravel a 6th round pick who won a memorial cup, impressed on last summers tournament and was one the finalist for canadian wj team, then injury and a bad Moosehead team happened this season. Lot of surprise from hockey people on them not signing him, maybe more of a numbers game right now. Don’t see the scouting on him as that bad. Peeters now, that’s another story.
Can you imagine all of the best available first round picks the Hawks have had in the past?
Doesn’t seem to matter Bowman trades them and arguably never wins a single trade.
Its no wonder there is a huge depth problem in Chicago and in Rockford. Several dumb moves have been made.
Does seem to look like they are thinking they are going to pick Askarov, moved on from Lehner, Crawford limited time left, Goalies besides him under contract, maybe solid backup but not looking like a no.1 of future. Moving from Gravel, thinking he doesn’t fit the no.1 goalie bill either. No other projected right now as high ceiling prospects in system. If he’s gone before they pick, wonder what plan B is if he is plan A.
Looking back at recent drafts under the guise of the best way to acquire a franchise player is to draft one because no GM is going to trade you one (except if someone like Stan Bowman is willing to give away Panerin or David Poile is willing to trade Seth Jones) :
2019 : Kirby Dach. Potential #1 Center
2918 : Adam Boqvist. Potential 5o to 55 point defenseman.
2020: Yaroslav Askarov. Potential Franchise Goalie.
Suddenly there is a foundation of top notch talent.
Keep in mind we already have a Franchise player in Kane and Franchise leader In Toews.
Askarov would be way more of a home run pick than guys like Zary and Lundell.
Craig agree, and if they want to make Tavares like signings to add to it. There is players like, Barkov, Horvat, Coutourier, or a Jones or Lindholm etc quite possibly available in next 2 or 3 years. A couple years of development and maybe teams like Leafs, Bolts, Vgk need to let some young talent go, be ready to take advantage and some key ufa adds with total roster flexibility coming, potential is there for sure.
Chicago needs to rebuild not overpay to sign high priced free agents.
It’s not like one or two players will put the Hawks over the the top.
Craig it’s good to here that I am not the only one that thinks that Bowman trading Panarin was a huge blunder.
How do you say no high priced free agents and call Panarin a blunder, especially one that would be another aging star with a 11.6m caphit for a number of years left by the time the young players develop and are ready to compete. If they stay the youth route that’s what it is, that’s fine too, just pointing out they have options for ufa stars in prime, late 20s range and keep their picks and prospects in pipeline while they do it.
I call trading Panarin for Saad a blunder by Chicago. “My opinion”
I thought Panarin could have easily been part of a younger core.
If Panarin is an aging star which he is now what are Toews, Kane and Keith?
Panarin was not 28 years old when he was traded from Chicago and I will assume the Hawlks could have signed Panarin long term for less than 11.6.
Ian would you not admit that to sign a good UFA it is pretty much a given that signing these guys will have to be an overpay?
Panarin will be 29 in October with 7 years left on his contract. In 3 or 4 years he is in that 32 or 33 year old range like with 2 or 3 years left on his 11.6m hit. Would he have taken less for Bowman, who knows, would you, i’m sure his agent ad numbers that needed to be met. Panarin said himself took a lower offer when he signed after his elc, so good chance that meant he would to paid market value next deal as often the case.
Ufa can be costly for sure, no argument there. With cap going flat, contracts obviously can’t keep going up so that will have a big impact on ufas next few years and Blackhawks could have capspace to take advantage of that also, maybe length of contracts too. Options are good not bad and do what makes sense with them and hopefully be the right choices.
6 years left i meant
Panarin got 11.6 because he was a UFA and is one of the best players in the NHL.
Cap crunch or not Saad would not have received anywhere near 11.6 if he becomes a UFA….. Panarin is better than Saad and it’s not even close…. Dollar logic alone. “Blunder” by Bowman.
Most star players will receive their biggest contract if they become unrestricted.
Panarin no different.. We will probably never know what or if Panarin was offered big $$$ from Bowman.
We do know that Panarin thought that he was going to be in Chicago for a long time as he mentioned it himself.
Leaving the Panarin issue aside I agree your (Stape) thought below:
Chicago needs to rebuild not overpay to sign high priced free agents.
It’s not like one or two players will put the Hawks over the the top.
That ship has sailed-let the new ship be built. (Note-that doesn’t mean they can’t be competitive, make the playoffs and be a fun team to watch. It’s just the ld ONE GOAL’ era is over.)
Will the goalie be available at 9?
I agree , trading Panarin was a huge mistake. IMO he would have taken less to stay in Chicago. If people think Kane can still be effective into his late 30’s, the same can be said for Panarin. Their the same type of player . Bowman panicked when he traded both Panarin and Hammer ( another trade I hated). Hossa has said that he thought he would remain a Senator for his entire career . Once he was traded , he realized hockey was a business. The same can possibly be said for Panarin’s thought process. I have said many times I hope Bowman is gone. I don’t trust him to rebuild this team
Noonan nobody is saying don’t develop, how long do you think it will take. Even 19 and 88 needed 81 and 10 after a year or 2 in the league, Leafs added Taveres and Muzzin, it’s how it’s done. Look what Vgk accomplished without a draft or prospect system, I’m talking 3 or 4 years down the road, after Dach, Boqvist and other youngsters develop without gutting your system to sign an ufa or 2 to add to the core if the right player is there. How long do you suggest they wait to add to the core this time around, i’d be happy with a similar path as they followed before to get 3 cups, not sure why anyone wouldn’t.
What I’m saying is don’t patch some holes with expensive players that aren’t long term pieces.
I’ve been saying this for three years-build from the young core out-not the opposite to appease the old core or impatient fans. Learn from the last 10/12 years and do it the right way.
Just my 2 cents worth. Other will disagree, and that’s all good.
(and imo opinion not my Bowman)
Welcome Back!The NHL is back and the Hawks are now in the playoffs!
The Hawks should have absolutely nothing to lose and zero nerves against Edmonton. Coved-19 got the Hawks into the “play in”.
This is found money. Should be a great experience for Dach, DeBrincat, Kubalik, Boqvist, among many others.
Kane, Toews, Saad, Keith and Crawford should be able to lead this team.
The only sad part is, this exactly why Stan traded a 2nd and 3rd round pick for Shaw.
If he cannot play, Stan got fleeced. As it is, the deal is awful. Hated it on June 30th of last year. It stunk then. It stinks even worse now.
Craig agree having that pick at no. 40 this year could be big. Still can’t understand that deal for sure, the 7th for 7th may not mean too much, 3rd next year tough to lose too. Looks like more there than a straight up hockey trade, probably never know for sure.
Also agree playoff type hockey should help younger guys with nothing to lose, uf it happens, be July most likely now.
Noonan don’t think anybody disagrees with you on wasting money on ufas just to do it, do what makes sense at the time that’s all.
If Bowman does not get fired why will try to build for the future?
Win now mode to try to make the playoffs or Bowman will be fired.
This logic made Bowman pick up veteran players this past season.
Same goes for not trading Eric Gustafsson, Bowman knew that he was not going to be able sign Gustafsson so he keeps him to try to make the playoffs and if Chicago would have looked like a playoff team Bowman would probably not even traded Gustafsson and let him become an unrestricted free agent and get absolutely nothing for him.
If Bowman would have been building for the future he would have traded Gustafsson at his highest value and Chicago probably would have gotten first round pick instead they end up with a third round pick. This is what happens when teams have one goal in mind….Do anything to make the playoffs.
Same goes for trading for Shaw give up future picks to try to save Bowmans job by making the playoffs.
Curiously no mention on the 3 out 5 play your in round as a way to give regular season a finish to make playoffs. Does this this mean the 8 losing teams automatically become the other 8 draft lottery teams with the 7 teams not involved in 24 team scenario.
DeHaan,Boqvist,and Caggiula due back for potential Edmonton playoff series.Seabrook and Shaw will not return.
Since the Stanley Cup victory years, its safe to say, we can count on getting 2 really solid prospects out of each draft :
2016 : DeBrincat and now Carlsson
2017 : Joki (now Nylander) and Mitchell
2018 : Boqvist and Beaudin
2019: Dach and Vlasic ( btw, reports on his progress as a freshman were very very good)
Honorable mention : Kurashev(Derek King in Rockford gushes about his NHL upside)
Evan Barratt(2017), Michal Teply(2019).
So once again there is a lot to look forward to in this 2020 draft. Hopefully a home run at #9, then a real solid prospect at 56. Anything after that is gravy.
Chances are more likely if they move on Saad it happens at tdl, but packaging him the draft to add pick or 2 would be nice. Guys like Hagel, Nylander and Cagguila can be given a chance to start next season in top 9, either they earn a spot or fill a hole until one of the other young players is ready for the callup.