Blackhawks Acquire Kimmo Timonen
During the first period on Friday night, the Blackhawks acquired defenseman Kimmo Timonen from the Philadelphia Flyers in exchange for a second round draft pick in 2015 and a conditional draft pick in 2016.
According to reports, if the Blackhawks reach the Western Conference Final AND Timonen playes in 50 percent of the games, the fourth round pick in 2016 becomes a third. If the Hawks win THREE rounds – make the Stanley Cup Final – and Timonen plays in 50 percent or more of games, the conditional pick becomes a 2nd rounder in 2016.
Philadelphia media is reporting that Flyers GM Ron Hextall indicated that he and Chicago GM Stan Bowman had been talking about this deal “for weeks.”
Timonen, 39, has not appeared in any games this season because of injury. He registered 35 points (six goals, 29 assists) in 77 regular-season games with the Flyers last year. He was only recently cleared to return to playing.
The Blackhawks also announced the club has placed defenseman Johnny Oduya on injured reserve.
Tab—do you think this is the only move we will see? I think it’s a slam dunk, but I’m also holding out hope for vermette. Any chance?
No – they aren’t done. This means they, once again, have too many defensemen on the NHL roster and in Rockford. This only sets the table for the next move(s).
Love the get for the Hawks. Great leadership and good skill coming in. Yes, the injury has kept him off the ice and is a concern, but when he’s right this is a top-four guy.
Take a stab at what the next move might be Tab?
Its a gamble. I thought he was done when word broke of blood clots. Surprised when I heard he was scheduled to start tomorrow. Thought he could be had for fairly reasonable assets. Despite not playing this year..he’s still a better 5/6 than anything they currently have. He may be a 4.
sounds like a lot considering he still hasn’t played (and 40)
Next move is a forward. Might be Vermette. Stay tuned…
Be interesting to see if a player is traded in game. Vermette would be a nice 3c. Could still see them trading Sharp(especially if the locker room rumors are remotely true) for a skinner type. Both the Votes and Canes would have trouble acquiring players via free agency. I would throw Eric Staal’s name in there, but with term after this year his contract won’t work.
A slam dunk? 2 draft picks for a 39 year old that hasn’t played all year because of blood clots? 39!! Wow, people think Rozsival is old. What if he plays 10 games and the clots come back? The hawks are out picks. This is a huge gamble for a guy who might, I repeat might play, much less make a difference. With the cap dump next year the hawks need draft picks. If you can’t tell, I’m not a fan of this deal.
I can’t see them trading Sharp. He’s in a slump is all. If we get Staal, or Vermette that would be cool, then I think they would be through at that point.
Gravytrain- I share your sentiment!!!
39yrs. old- and has not played all year??? And we gave them a 2nd +????
I guess on a positive note maybe SB signs him for 5 more years!!!
Really- why not just call Bbank (at least he can spot 29 – when he forgets to show up)
or better yet- doesn’t SB have Chelios’ #???
good lord-
not even wasting my time on Tampa game.
Schmaltz just made a sick move for a goal — ND 1 – St. Cloud 0– wow!!
Blackhawks are all-in for this season, as made clear by this deal.
Patrick Sharp goes nowhere before the deadline if they’re all-in NOW.
I fondly remember when Timonen got undressed by Kane for the game winning goal in the 2010 Cup win. A second and 4rth round pick for this guy? I hope I am wrong but I am not buying the move. Can’t you just picture a pairing of Rozy and Timonen.
of course no sooner do I throw doubt at any Sharp deals happening in-season and…
Flyers just got away with highway robbery. I have to ask, did the Flyers include his wheelchairs?
If Hawks use a substantial amount of Kane’s cap space to acquire an outstanding forward, and they make it into the second round, how do they bring Kane back? If the rumors involving Sharp have some worth, then it makes sense to get more cap space to cover Kane’s return and the acquired forward by moving Sharp. This move relieves the locker room issue, if it exists at all. Toronto had this issue and moved the actors. With regard to Timonen, four NHL players have had these blood clot issues, and they have been treated in different ways. Timonen has been under medical supervison and has been cleared to play as opposed to some of the others.
Just In!!!
SB just signed Handzus’s Father to play Right Wing for a 1st round pick!
Good one Wall, I am busting a gut.
Tab- I really hope they move someone from the roster…
Because giving up more of the near future (draft picks) – for a rental is JUST STUPID!!!
This “all-in” stuff… I am not seeing the Hawks as Legit contenders…
Now if they are trading a 10 for someone like Skinner (10 years younger)- I love the move…
Wall-
Can we trade your fan allegiance to another team? Please. You’re annoying as fuuuck.
Maybe ’15- once the playoffs roll around, rosters expand and the cap goes away. That’s how the Hawks will be able to make everything work once Kane returns if the Hawks are still alive.
When it comes to clotting issues. Remove Kris Letangs name. His issue was caused by a hole in his heart. Which for some reason he elected not to repair. I know a few people that have had that heart issue. They said if the hole wasn’t there, the clot wouldn’t have been an issue.
This is a nice addition. The man is a leader and definitely a top 4 pairing on a thin Hawks blueline. Bowman has to be all in right now even though I think we go nowhere in the playoffs.
Honestly, I will love to see Sharp moved. His time is done here and the guy has become a selfish prick. Remember his teammates sacrificed on his behalf last season to prop up his selfish campaign to make the Canadian Olympic team. I saw a side of Sharp last year that I didn’t like. Let him go play for Barry Trotz because I guarantee he will knock the selfish snot out of Sharp in Washington whereas Q has been deferential.
Glancing at Caps roster… the only Non-rentals of value for Sharp that I see are…
B-kowsky and Maybe Kuts-nuts-off… otherwise I am not seeing it…
I guess SB could do Sharp for Wilson… and then go after Vermette/rental guy….
Mox17- the Hawks are the best team in the world… they will never lose again w/ the addition of Keepa KeepDreaminon. Let’s go Hawks … is that better!
If trade 10 for a 1st, etc. Would that 1st, our ’16 1st and prospects/low picks, whatever the package would be for Vermette and Yandle.
Joel Ward is the target. Also the rumor has it from source I trust that Sharp’s womanizing has angered and saddened Rocky, John McD, Toews and Bickell of all people. And the lockerrom confrontation was real and involved Toews, Bickell and Keith.
R-E-L-A-X. Sharp — or any player — is entitled to do whatever he wants away from the rink. The only reason all the speculation has hit the blogging sphere is Sharp only has 10 goals this year; if he had 25, bring on the hos for all the underperforming married guys. If all the married guys were to philanderer and the Hawks win the Stanley Cup, I’m in. This is all hypocritical hyperbole. Good evening. P.S. By the way, it’s the Queen Ho — Elizabeth Taylor — birthday today. May she rest in peace.
Whatever makes our team better. Now and longterm. Just do it. (4 and a 2nd seem like a little too much but otherwise you do not get a top4 Dman) You all said unless we get a Top4 Dman and a good FW, we cant do this or that. Well. 88 will be back if we win Stanley Cup, otherwise we counldnt do this or that right. We do have one of the best teams.
We wernt going to be able to keep everyone at the draft/fa anyways. Its worth getting as many good players now/deadline and needed adjusments. We still have a top5 farm (regardless of how many non top6/4 contributors there are outside of 20/86/57/Johns)(we have that many more twoway role players then and dead weight to get guys like 23 for %retained). The farm is not overrated, people just look at it wrong way. Teams that have no help coming in the future years from their farms are PIT and LOS. This is the first time we dipped into the well, those teams have done it every yr, that’s why there PIT 2.0 and we wont be.
Good one iceman! So lets say your in your early thirties, fabulously wealthy, in incredible physical shape and health and have celebrity status…your supposed to be a saint? …who’s business is it what you do on your own time…Sharp is not an immature jerk going around creating scandal…Bickell? For real?
….and, to stay on topic, ..got to trust both Tab and Bowman on this Timonen thing…I know who he is, never paid that close attention to him, …. but a forty year old, with blood clot issues, that hasn’t played in a year? …Yikes! I’ve bought some used cars in my time…always looked much better somehow at the dealer than when I got them home…hope we haven’t overlooked something …as I said if its good enough for Bowman and Tab then so be it.
I really do not think our organization would trade that for a player if we wernt absolutely sure on his health.
Ruf- Joel Ward!!! This is not gonna help… unless there is another deal (bigger) coming
Exactly Mining Man — give me a break, please. Is this a hockey team trying to win the Stanely Cup, or Bible Study competition? Line up the hos for the Hawks’ married players if that means watching games into June and parade thereafter. I’ve got my own problems to deal w/ everyday, and so do all other bloggers that enunciate their positions on this blog. Further cementing home Mining’s point, the Christian position provides dilly dallying on your spouse is one and the same as sleeping around completely single. Who cares what these guys do? But for modern technology (i.e., violations of all of our personal space), none of us would have any idea what these players do off the ice. Like Roenick said, he’s glad the majority of his career was outside this spectrum. Good evening.
I’m with Wall on this one. 2cd rounder in what is to be a deep draft is a lot to pay. As far as health etc., I hope there is some kind of provision that addresses the matter.
Was at the game tonite (last night). At least HALF the fans were Blackhawk fans. The stands were a sea of red. Very disappointing performance by the Hawks. Tab, you say the Hawks are all in. If you ask me it looks like they would rather be golfing. Maybe the locker room does need a jolt. Maybe this thing with Sharp is true and is just over JTs head. I don’t know. The Hawks are and should be an elite (Top 10) NHL team. They need to start acting and playing the part
Since Kimmo hasn’t played all year we really don’t know if he will be as good as he was last season which was better than anyone playing 3rd pair for the Hawks. If Kimmo still has legs than he will be a nice improvement and will shore up the defensive pairings quite nicely, especially if TvR can come back and be as good as he was before his injury. Kimmo is a lefty and would allow TvR to play his natural right side. Put Oduya back with Hjalmarsson and hope he can return to form and if he can that is a very solid top-6. But if Father Time has finally caught up to Kimmo – then he will just be the latest in the pantheon of used up players Stan has paid too high a price for.
Let’s hope this trade does not turn into Kim Johnsson all over again.
But a couple of things to keep in mind. If the Hawks are going to get under the salary cap it will be at the draft where 2nd rounders are moved like crazy.
The Hawks will add picks leading up to and on June 26.
The prices for buyers at this point are very expensive. Look at what the kings paid for sekara. A 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder(mckeown).
Kudos to Stan for realizing that oduya, rosy, rundblad, Cumiskey and Erixon are all 5th or 6th defensemen.
We had an extra 2nd pick because Hayes is a dink. I look at it as/essentially we traded Hayes for Riemsdyk.
Rufus,
Who’s the source re: Sharp & the locker room confrontation involving Bickell, Toews, and Keith? And what’s the scoop about Wirtz and McD being upset with Sharp?
That stuff has got to be coming from somewhere, I hope you’re not referring to Dan Bernstein or that football reporter …
As for this Timmonen trade, to me it says two things.
1. The price of rentals is always high and they paid it. It’s a risk and if it doesn’t pan out Bowman will be fair game for criticism.
2. Needing to do this is an indictment of his defenceman acquisitions. The roster and system is loaded with defencemen but none are capable of filling a hole. Roszival is being scratched, Oduya has been uneven at best, Erixon and Runblad have also been uneven at best. That’s 4 guys they’ve made decisions on that have all underachieved. Not to mention guys from Rockford that can’t fill the hole.
If he’s going to add any more in the next two days, it either needs to be Rockford prospects and/or someone off their roster who’s not in the plans.
I am also in the camp of many– a 2nd, 4th for a 40 year old who hasn’t played (not to mention 5′ 10). The cost is ridiculous for anyone at this point.
Wall I hope what Mox was trying to relay is that someone constantly uses negativity and sarcasm it does get very annoying. Your joining others who are the masters of that domain.
Obviously, SB has done his homework on Timonen. According to reports, he can still skate, which is what we need, a defenseman who can skate the puck out of trouble and is good one on one.
I am not one to believe stories from Dan Bernstein, but if the Hawks are willing to part with a guy who was a key part in 2 Cup championships, then something is not right. SB does not make moves off of the big roster during the year. Where there is smoke, there is fire. I cannot prove any of the stories about Sharp, but we have a saying on my hockey club, “the only thing that changes from us to the pro level is the money and the skill”. The game is the same and all the problems that go with personal lives remain the same.
Although I want to believe that everyone on my Hawk team is church going, milk drinking, animal loving, old lady helping and driving the speed limit players, everyone has a skeleton in their closet.
We’ll know the story by Tuesday.
Mayby Oduya makes his way to the LTIR and SB uses that money for a higher end rental
Can’t see losing Sharp not sure what we get in value that is as good but actually would need to be BETTER? Shaw, Kruger maybe even Bick and Smith? Nord-Storm has some real value to me, pretty good player with an upside and if TEVO was actually playing well he’d be good bait? Sharp is a solid performer who has been on the wrong line for a majority of the season.
Kimmo will be a “little” better than our young d-men filling the holes now, Kimmo is small and lacks the BIGGGGNESS in the corners and clearing the front of the net so I think if this is any indication of the next move /trade we’re in trouble. Kimmo is obviously leader for sure and plays well offensively but really is not that SOLID BIG BODY that would help HAMMER in our second pairing, really don’t need a faux offensive defensemen we need a defensive defensemen. Odd to me, so I worry about what’s next? Cant lose Sharp at this point with no Kane . . . 3 months ago maybe now NO WAY! Maybe trade SHARP and a draft pick for BRADEN HOLTBY or Straight up CROW and draft picks but HOLTBY is the only guy I would target, big time. 25 years old gonna be a rock star!
What I did see was that in the postgame press conference, Q seemed VERY happy about picking up Timonen, even after the team got kicked in the sack. He talked about him playing right away, and said that he and Bowman were both extremely happy about the guy they got. He was reportedly ready to play for Philly prior to the trade. He’s old, that’s for sure. But you’ve got to believe they’ve done their homework on him. As for rumors, etc., about Sharp, I’m getting to the point where it’s just babble, true or not. Whatever moves they can make to play better, consistent hockey at both ends is what I want. And I like the overall track record of the organ-I-zation, so if Sharp gets moved or doesn’t, as long as they can get better, I’m all in.
Chelios played full seasons with the Wings til he was 46. Timonen wants to play for the Hawks, wants to win, can mentor the younger Finns, Might be willing to play for the Hawks for a relatively low salary cap hit the next few years? because of his age, Maybe Bowman got someone salary cap friendly who could really help for another 2-4 years.
Beckman, I do not care what anyones age is. If they can play that’s all that matters. That was my first thought one yr at a time for .550/.600 type numbers.
He is a very good PP key player. Believe it or not he will make the PP better/good again. Hes not a 225 snot knocker but a much improved PP can go along way to making other teams pay for cheating/penaltys.
His plans are to retire after this season, Timonen is strictly a rental.
Are people forgetting that the Hawks have to trade a bunch of people this offseason and are going to get mega picks in return?
Timonen had incredible fancy stats last year on a terrible defensive team. Yes, he’s 40, but he can still skate better than 34, 32, and 5. If he’s healthy, this is a really good pick up.
JS – Completely agree that we will have plenty of picks after we make moves in the post season to get under the cap. This deal is high risk but with potential high return. High skill players are tough to find at this time of year. I also think there is a chance that he considers playing one more year if things go well in the next few months. While I am a bit skeptical of our chances for a long run this year, it is a wide open field as no one looks like sure-fire world beaters so I can’t argue with going all-in.
Kimmo was a solid pickup by Bowman. Precisely what this team needs. Draft picks are draft picks.
Hof, your right he did say that, just thought he could/might, but I wont complain he retires after if winning the Stanley Cup.
JS/MS/Ruff, I know finally some people can see/agree were going to have lots, lots and lots of picks (’15 and ’16) from the guys we cant keep/depending on who or if we add a FA Defenseman, etc./need for future yrs. This is a really good trade to get what we wanted/needed. Not the green giant in front of net but a green PP giant guy who get the puck on/in net.